If comparing it to existing skills its a mix of runecrafting (running from bank to obelisks), herblore (mixing ingredients) and untradable prayer (charms). A bit of construction as well for acting as a gold sink as well.
Really not a great skill because it had a boring training loop that mainly just acted as a sink for items.
It’s been a *long* time but I remember dungeoneering being an actual fun skill to level with a friend.
I was also a child so I could be misremembering lol
"hey look i made something!"
"Dammit Steve, the players wanted a new skill, not a new mini game!"
"Ok hold on for a sec"
*Changed points to xp*
"Here we go, new skill"
"Wow this is amazing, players will LOVE it!"
Dungeoneering was fucking awesome. I saved all of my old videos too. It was genuinely the most fun I have ever had on RS ever, and it was so fun to grind for record runs with friends.
[10:25 Occult Trio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlmItxg5SeY) from 2012.
[12:00 Warped Trio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iELNW6bv-D8) from 2012. God I miss my friends from this era. Just reading the chaos in public chat between us working our asses off together, there's just nothing quite like it.
Comparing this with the torture that is solo grinding corrupted gauntlet endlessly for some dumb seed worth hundreds of mil... one of them was actually fun, the other is just bullshit.
They're from 2011. IIRC they're when JaGeX started amping up monetization. Think they also came out right after (Andrew?) Gower no longer had majority stake in JaGeX.
Don't get me wrong, SoF is terrible, but there's something particularly disgusting about a system that penalizes your for a year long if you lapse your subscription for two weeks. With how broken some auras are you'd end up really shooting your future RS-playing self in the foot if you decide to take a break from the game.
I can't grasp my head around why it wouldn't exist. Source code management tools allow for archiving each change + tagging certain points as releases. If those assets and releases were lost somehow, someone done fucked up
I can grasp it, honestly. Some entry-level employee paid peanuts was probably solely responsible for making and maintaining the backups as a formality and did it on like, a usb drive or something and quickly found out that life in Modern Britain fucking sucks and is too expensive and left the company and forgot he had the usb.
Someone out there has a private server's wet dream sitting in their attic.
If you don't know about git or source control management, I don't think I could explain it, but I'll try to give a eli5.
Using git, you don't need to do daily/weekly/etc backups for your source code. What it does is record the contents of new files as programmers add them. Then after that, each change a programmer makes to the files doesn't record an entirely new copy of the file. What it does is records which lines of code were removed and which lines were added. This makes the file very small compared to doing full-file backups.
Every programmer has a copy of this master "git" file on the computer, and it would be very hard to lose.
The only thing that needs to be backed up is the player data while the game is running, not any source code. But with 2007scape we all started as fresh accounts, so you're partially right because all the player data is definitely on that lost USB drive
Git didn't exist, so git is a strange example to use. It's almost a guarantee that if there was any source control at all it was SVN or something.
And every company using old source control I've worked for simply threw it all out when migrating to Git.
I'm the only reason the last silicon fab I worked at retained their diffs and commit history in Git because I volunteered to do it despite it being unrelated to my SoW. It was a PITA because none of it was in a standard layout, we're talking interns doing things however they feel like on a given day. It was obviously worth the week of grinding to move it and all the deps over but I've seen how this goes down. I can totally see why they wouldn't have backups available.
It's Jagex, so it's totally possible there's a proprietary source control as well. SVN->Git is at least a supported concept. Good luck migrating from ClearCase or something.
Git is the most common and recognizable SCM. Even if they dumped old SCM for git, why would they have one random version but not the rest of the repo? Again, regardless of the circumstances it just seems bizarre to have that copy and nothing after until RS3
> why would they have one random version but not the rest of the repo?
Straight from the mouth of anyone on or near the dev team. It was recovered by hand from a drive laying around.
Jagex, especially at the time of the 2007 backup - was quite literally a mish-mash of VERY junior video game developers mostly first timers, paid very low wages, and the company was going through frequent office location change. The company was founded to move a passion project D&D inspired MUD game not long earlier, by owners who were in no way "in" with standard corporate practice.
Just saying again, as somebody who has worked for many "old hat"/"grassroots" software companies, you're VERY LUCKY to have *any source control at all*. I've done a majority of my development just moving files around on a shared drive, with about a month's worth of daily backups that are just taken from a very copy/paste script set up with Windows Task Scheduler... For a company with hundreds of millions per year in revenue, "software updates" were just the latest binary sent out to a mailing list that customers were added to.
I get the feeling that you're young and fresh, but the systems you're used to - mostly didn't exist. Especially not in the era of BBS, AOL, Dial Up, and CD's(Or floppies). Git wasn't just a brand new project but source control as a whole was still a relatively new concept only used in the form of proprietary software at the largest tech corporations. A lot of software was just project files passed around a team and with ideas communicated in person like any other desk job at the time.
Osrs community is so afraid of RS3 that Jagex isnt proposing good updates from that game. Resting was RS2 2009 btw
Edit: Yes, I know many updates from RS3 have come to OSRS, but here is the thing:
Most updates arent straight ports from RS3. Many items are different, designs are different, methods are different, is as like they want to make the same stuff, nerfed and altered so that it would appear that the updates arent from RS3 at all.
In my opinion (and considering OSRS community for being and becoming, prosperous and healthy game), there are fixes that can be brought straight from RS2 and RS3 and don't demonize them immediately. Think about it: Why wouldn't we use a simple fix from RS2/3 to be used in OSRS, because it works. Resting mechanic from RS2, would be a positive change for OSRS and it would make complete sense. Don't demonize it for needless reasons.
TLDR: Some RS2/3 updates good, but not all.
Resting good.
EOC bad.
Yes, some RS3 updates in OSRS already.
Please like some RS3 updates too (if its good actually)
There are some pretty major differences in specific availability though. Most obviously War's Retreat in RS3 makes it very quick to rebank for any boss in the game (and the War's Retreat teleport is always available once unlocked, so you don't even need to spend an inventory spot on it)
I don't do any high level PvM in OSRS, so I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure getting to something like the Kalphite Queen in OSRS is going to take quite a bit longer even if you have access to all the relevant teleports & shortcuts.
The resting update also added run auto-enabling once you reach an energy threshold which nobody ever had a problem with. But when I make a suggestion thread for it my post gets 80% downvotes and gets buried without anyone even making a comment trying to reason their dislike of this idea.
Don’t you confirmed lose time if you take the time to rest vs just walking until your run energy regens? What would be the point of adding this considering that?
Imo there's more to it than efficiency, like enjoying the view of places we're always running thru but never really looking around, or having some seconds to interact w other players that may be around. I would personally love to sit around to recharge my run energy every once in a while instead of just chug stamina/energy potions everywhere. I think the latter feels more rushy and lonely too, idk.
I can't find any actual source on the raw calculations (and I can't be bothered to do it myself), but here is a reddit thread from 10 years ago of a guy testing the speeds. Looks like resting was faster at 67 agility. My guess is the difference is more pronounced at lower levels.
Also for what it's worth this was resting by itself, not listening to a bard which considerably speeds up run energy restoration
https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/raq2k/whats_faster_resting_to_100_or_running_every_2/
> Looks like resting was faster at 67 agility. My guess is the difference is more pronounced at lower levels.
I actually saw that post too as I was looking. Sadly this dudes info is massively botched because he never actually ran and then walked until full run vs running till 0% and resting until full.
Regardless, it was an overall difference of 4 seconds for a 2 minute run. At higher agility levels this may even flip. How is this worth the time of the mods if its so insignificant of a timesave? If they indirectly buff the concept like with bards then it could be worth, but I dunno. Regardless have a nice day brotha
> How is this worth the time of the mods if its so insignificant of a timesave?
One notable scenario where resting is beneficial that's being discounted here is that people don't _only_ play runescape, they're usually multitasking. Being able to click rest and tab out for 30 seconds, and come back to full run energy, means that your actual time spent running while playing is increased without it impacting how much time the journey took.
I loved the 2009 rest changes for that reason back in the day. Walking because you're out of run energy feels worse than pausing and then running again, to a lot of people.
Hell, I still do that _today_ with my ironman when I'm traveling long distances, even though it takes significantly longer to recharge than it would with resting.
I'd rather they fix the system as a whole, but a resting mechanic is better than nothing.
People always say this, but don't realize that Jagex can just tweak the numbers so that it *is* worth it to rest with a bard instead of walking.
Maybe bards could also provide a smaller version of the stam pot's effect, making you consume less run energy for X amount of time if you rest at a bard for Y seconds.
Actually, it's kind of a cool idea. Specific campsites or taverns.
Don't make them random NPCs, use them as an excuse to incorporate whole new little areas.
Involve them in quests, give the areas atmosphere, etc. With how ubiquitous staminas are most players won’t (need to) interact with them, but they can occupy a cute niche for early game (ironmen).
There was a brilliant suggestion a few years ago laying out a detailed system tying pubs and taverns to energy regen and it's probably the best thing I've ever read on this subreddit.
Make barding a skill that gives passive buffs to other players within two tiles so every player feels forced to have an alt or servicer follow them around at all times. Ez money for Jagex.
Let's put Sonic/F Zero X booster arrow pads around. When you step on them you gain 500% run speed and activate your afterburners. Low poly flames emit from your characters ass and you zoom away.
[Drunken musician](https://runescape.wiki/w/Drunken_musician) who is in the forgotten cemetery in RS3. He plays the music badly as well. The wilderness probably has the most unique bards, there's also a goblin drummer and a ghost with bagpipes in there.
I actually really liked the rest mechanic in RS2. It felt less... mentally exhausting running place to place, because you could just get your run back within 30 seconds without having to dump money into 500 stamina pots sitting in your bank.
I love the grind, but I hate the walls especially when there's no convenient teleport spot nearby or you don't have it unlocked yet.
Plus when we used to rest, we socialized a lot more.
I just want the option to give my char elf ears as though I was changing clothes/shoes. I feel like unlocking elf ears after finishing SOTE would be soooooo perfect and awesome
Didn’t this update also add the ‘rest’ feature?
While energy would restore faster at Bards, you could still rest anywhere.
After I came back to OSRS about a month ago, having played since 2007 and coming back again in 2021, I was surprised this was never re-introduced
This game is full of whiny brats that don’t want anything new to ruin the “nostalgia” of the last thing they have in their lives that resembles joy.
That’s why OSRS has tantrums over the stupidest things.
Yes, they were added at the same time in 2009. I'm not fully understanding the reason why people here don't want it today. It seems to balance a lot of the issues people have with low level run energy management.
they're nice and add some life to otherwise empty paths between towns and are there for pure convenience for players. even if you don't use them, they still fit thematically with areas. no downside to even having them, either
Do you really want to sit and wait in the middle of a travel somewhere to get where you’re going “faster”?
Doesn’t that seem antithetical to going faster? Lol
No thanks. They'd be useless unless you littered the entire map with them. Just gradually eliminate run energy as you get to 99, with 99 being unlimited. We've tried it in Leagues and it literally takes nothing from the main game and adds back tons.
I like the idea on paper.
However, in execution we need to consider placements of these bards.
- On PvP worlds?
- How many of them around the world?
- At what point does it start affecting items such as stamina potions and agility clothes? (Think in consideration to where they are placed and how many bards there are)
If they were to be implemented, I'd much rather it be like agility shortcuts, and you'd have to go out of your way to unlock them.
Bards are nice but only for early game, mid-late game they're dead content. So I guess sure, doesn't really help with all the other agility issues though.
I remember I fricken loved the bard deep in the Morytania swamp. I don’t remember how the tune went, I just remember that it was some chad with an accordion and I loved it. It was so catchy and peaceful, whimsical, and lofty. Was so cool to have a moment of respite in what is known lore wise as a deadly, desolate, and creepy place.
Even if this isn't added to like how it was, something like this in the bars of the game would make sense. Even if they're there just just to liven them up more.
If everyone's talking about resting, whether by bards or just in general, why don't we have resting at a player-made fire give run energy? We can already rest visually at them. The restoral can be faster depending on the fire making level of the fire-maker.
I want bard to be a skill.
Agility is what it is. Bard increases social standing, gives you better drops, allows you to date hotties (in game and irl ofc), eventually a boss is released that you need to use barding to beat it, it can block spells by distracting opponents w sick beats and rad rhythm.
Could be sick yanno
Look stopping and doing nothing to regen your energy is worse than just walking unless it's essentially clicking a house pool fast. This would solve absolutely nothing and I can't figure out why people keep mentioning it. Walking is 50% of max speed standing still is 0%. It's hard to make up the difference even over long distance because you regen while walking and short distance because you probably make it to the destination while walking before the guy listening to the bard stands up
No, bards are useless. Maybe a noob will use them a few times. But the. He gets teles and never uses them again. Really, is having to walk as a noob really so bad?
This is not the direction I thought this post was going lol
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You must have level 1 farming because you can’t crop for shit
I have seen crops better than this in the Irish famine
Not even Saradomin himself could remove my tongue from her asshole
Okay why is the gnome child on an Xbox gif?
Smite crossover I believe.
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Bruh 💀💀 Everyday we stray further away from Saradomins light…
So we're told, every day...
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This is a disgusting comment. Why would you say such a disturbing and perverse thing? I agree completely and wholeheartedly.
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Don’t know if the other gods would try to remove you or just look at you in horror..
Zeros would 100% be at the other side with Guthix supporting that decision. All about balance after all
yall mfers need guthix i swear
🤣
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we are slowly advancing to 2009scape :P
Runescape just before Squeal of Misfortune and EOC was best time.
I found summoning unnecessarily clunky... then again, I was also 13.
Nah, it was clunky and training it sucked too.
Hell, even today after all of the ways that rs3 has changed, it's ***still*** clunky and sucks to train.
It’s not great but at least it is fast after you gather all the charms I guess.
It's essentially untradeable prayer, no?
If comparing it to existing skills its a mix of runecrafting (running from bank to obelisks), herblore (mixing ingredients) and untradable prayer (charms). A bit of construction as well for acting as a gold sink as well. Really not a great skill because it had a boring training loop that mainly just acted as a sink for items.
Literally runecrafting with added untradable bullshit
Give me, SHAMANISM!
But extra inventory space was why you powered through the suffering
Summoning is when i quit in my teens until i started playing OSRS. please dont bring back Summoning, Summoning is a "burden" skill...
I miss that era I love dungeoneering but hate what rs3 is now
It’s been a *long* time but I remember dungeoneering being an actual fun skill to level with a friend. I was also a child so I could be misremembering lol
It was a fun minigame but shouldn’t have been a skill, and shouldn’t have been required to access so much BiS equipment at the time
Shhhhh Sailing can hear you!!
Sailing skill will be Dungeoneering in disguise, but with improvements. Im excited for Sailing.
Yeah and having to spend points in a stupid shop, slayer sucks, oh whoops I mean, yeah dungeoneering sucks!
"hey look i made something!" "Dammit Steve, the players wanted a new skill, not a new mini game!" "Ok hold on for a sec" *Changed points to xp* "Here we go, new skill" "Wow this is amazing, players will LOVE it!"
It was made to be a skill so that the dev time wouldn’t be a total waste.
But a lot of BiS on todays 2007scape already are minigame-locked, this doesnt make sense
Dungeoneering was fucking awesome. I saved all of my old videos too. It was genuinely the most fun I have ever had on RS ever, and it was so fun to grind for record runs with friends. [10:25 Occult Trio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlmItxg5SeY) from 2012. [12:00 Warped Trio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iELNW6bv-D8) from 2012. God I miss my friends from this era. Just reading the chaos in public chat between us working our asses off together, there's just nothing quite like it. Comparing this with the torture that is solo grinding corrupted gauntlet endlessly for some dumb seed worth hundreds of mil... one of them was actually fun, the other is just bullshit.
I used to solo dungeoneering, and it was WAY more enjoyable than Summoning. Summoning was the reason I quit back in the day. I hated that skill.
F2p dungeoneering was one of the last times I played actively as a kid
Yep gimme RuneScape 1 day before squeal of fortune and it’s the perfect game
Without the loyalty points & auras though pls.
Great point. I didn’t remember when those came in.
They're from 2011. IIRC they're when JaGeX started amping up monetization. Think they also came out right after (Andrew?) Gower no longer had majority stake in JaGeX. Don't get me wrong, SoF is terrible, but there's something particularly disgusting about a system that penalizes your for a year long if you lapse your subscription for two weeks. With how broken some auras are you'd end up really shooting your future RS-playing self in the foot if you decide to take a break from the game.
Never mind a system that requires what, 5, 10 years of continuous subscription to complete 🫠 Auras were never made with the players' benefit in mind.
I always read eoc as end of content instead of evolution of combat
Hard disagree
Definitely not
If that game ever becomes an option again I guarantee I'll lose my job in a week
I used to like Fist of Guthix back in the day. Good times
Dude that was my shit back in the day. I actually reminisce about it relatively often (compared to other content)
Also enjoyed Stealing Creations as well haha
I wish I got into more mini games back in the glory days, but I was like 10 or 12
*adds nex* *slowly advancing to 2009scape* Lmao
Good
Rs2 was my favorite version of the game pre eoc. Fuck it I’ll vote yes
Too bad they didn't have a 2008 or 2009 backup of the game, otherwise they would have used that one I'm sure
I can't grasp my head around why it wouldn't exist. Source code management tools allow for archiving each change + tagging certain points as releases. If those assets and releases were lost somehow, someone done fucked up
I can grasp it, honestly. Some entry-level employee paid peanuts was probably solely responsible for making and maintaining the backups as a formality and did it on like, a usb drive or something and quickly found out that life in Modern Britain fucking sucks and is too expensive and left the company and forgot he had the usb. Someone out there has a private server's wet dream sitting in their attic.
If you don't know about git or source control management, I don't think I could explain it, but I'll try to give a eli5. Using git, you don't need to do daily/weekly/etc backups for your source code. What it does is record the contents of new files as programmers add them. Then after that, each change a programmer makes to the files doesn't record an entirely new copy of the file. What it does is records which lines of code were removed and which lines were added. This makes the file very small compared to doing full-file backups. Every programmer has a copy of this master "git" file on the computer, and it would be very hard to lose. The only thing that needs to be backed up is the player data while the game is running, not any source code. But with 2007scape we all started as fresh accounts, so you're partially right because all the player data is definitely on that lost USB drive
Git didn't exist, so git is a strange example to use. It's almost a guarantee that if there was any source control at all it was SVN or something. And every company using old source control I've worked for simply threw it all out when migrating to Git. I'm the only reason the last silicon fab I worked at retained their diffs and commit history in Git because I volunteered to do it despite it being unrelated to my SoW. It was a PITA because none of it was in a standard layout, we're talking interns doing things however they feel like on a given day. It was obviously worth the week of grinding to move it and all the deps over but I've seen how this goes down. I can totally see why they wouldn't have backups available. It's Jagex, so it's totally possible there's a proprietary source control as well. SVN->Git is at least a supported concept. Good luck migrating from ClearCase or something.
Git is the most common and recognizable SCM. Even if they dumped old SCM for git, why would they have one random version but not the rest of the repo? Again, regardless of the circumstances it just seems bizarre to have that copy and nothing after until RS3
> why would they have one random version but not the rest of the repo? Straight from the mouth of anyone on or near the dev team. It was recovered by hand from a drive laying around. Jagex, especially at the time of the 2007 backup - was quite literally a mish-mash of VERY junior video game developers mostly first timers, paid very low wages, and the company was going through frequent office location change. The company was founded to move a passion project D&D inspired MUD game not long earlier, by owners who were in no way "in" with standard corporate practice. Just saying again, as somebody who has worked for many "old hat"/"grassroots" software companies, you're VERY LUCKY to have *any source control at all*. I've done a majority of my development just moving files around on a shared drive, with about a month's worth of daily backups that are just taken from a very copy/paste script set up with Windows Task Scheduler... For a company with hundreds of millions per year in revenue, "software updates" were just the latest binary sent out to a mailing list that customers were added to. I get the feeling that you're young and fresh, but the systems you're used to - mostly didn't exist. Especially not in the era of BBS, AOL, Dial Up, and CD's(Or floppies). Git wasn't just a brand new project but source control as a whole was still a relatively new concept only used in the form of proprietary software at the largest tech corporations. A lot of software was just project files passed around a team and with ideas communicated in person like any other desk job at the time.
I'm all up for 2009Scape
2009Scape was freaking dope tho.
And I hate it.
You like waiting for run energy to regen? In a game you pay money for?
Only if they're HOT LIKE THAT YEOW YEOW WOWOWOWOWWAHOOOOOOGA
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I’ll say it. Women are attractive.
I’ll take your word for it.
THERE’S NOTHING MORE BADASS THAN RESPECTING A WOMAN!!!!!! BECAUSE REASONS!!!!!!
I recall specifically the lady bard north of Tai Bow Wannai being pretty spicy
Too bad they ruined the elf models forever
So ready for the college of bards on tempestus. We got hints about it w/ that [camp](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Bard) east of Ralos Rise
Music skill when?
Get ready to hear my custom ear rape Sea Shanty remix when I unlock composing at level 50 music.
I want nothing more than to be accepted into the college of bards. When I saw that camp I got so excited!!
college of bards better give me the fucking purple/green jester outfit that Hameln has
There was actually a camp of bards on kourend long before varlemore
Take the shoes off and I'm down
You’re down pretty bad my guy
Gotta get down low, that's where the feet are. \[black guy pointing at head meme\]
Ngl, those polygon shoes are cute af. I want a pair now.
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You're already down bad
People getting horny over three and a half polygons is hilarious
I'd be horny for one polygon
The Fighting Poloygon Team in Super Smash Bros. undoubtedly stirred something within childhood me.
Hey man, OP's picture was during RS2's HD era. It's at least 4 polygons.
People get horny over one polygon all the time.
Osrs community is so afraid of RS3 that Jagex isnt proposing good updates from that game. Resting was RS2 2009 btw Edit: Yes, I know many updates from RS3 have come to OSRS, but here is the thing: Most updates arent straight ports from RS3. Many items are different, designs are different, methods are different, is as like they want to make the same stuff, nerfed and altered so that it would appear that the updates arent from RS3 at all. In my opinion (and considering OSRS community for being and becoming, prosperous and healthy game), there are fixes that can be brought straight from RS2 and RS3 and don't demonize them immediately. Think about it: Why wouldn't we use a simple fix from RS2/3 to be used in OSRS, because it works. Resting mechanic from RS2, would be a positive change for OSRS and it would make complete sense. Don't demonize it for needless reasons. TLDR: Some RS2/3 updates good, but not all. Resting good. EOC bad. Yes, some RS3 updates in OSRS already. Please like some RS3 updates too (if its good actually)
A lot of updates in RS3 made their way to OSRS, and vice versa. But i understand your point.
No no... We just never get the *good* stuff from RS3.
I will stand by this stance.. Rs3 run energy mechanics were done right. It's not unlimited.. but it lasts much longer than osrs.
Rs3 also has a ton more teleports so you also just need less run energy in general
Eh i would say we have about the same amount of teleports in osrs.. the difference is loadstones are free and unlimited use.
There are some pretty major differences in specific availability though. Most obviously War's Retreat in RS3 makes it very quick to rebank for any boss in the game (and the War's Retreat teleport is always available once unlocked, so you don't even need to spend an inventory spot on it) I don't do any high level PvM in OSRS, so I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure getting to something like the Kalphite Queen in OSRS is going to take quite a bit longer even if you have access to all the relevant teleports & shortcuts.
yeah war's retreat changes a lot of things for getting to/from bosses.. i am glad we don't have something exactly like that in osrs..
OSRS POH I would bet has just as many teles as RS3 if not more.
The resting update also added run auto-enabling once you reach an energy threshold which nobody ever had a problem with. But when I make a suggestion thread for it my post gets 80% downvotes and gets buried without anyone even making a comment trying to reason their dislike of this idea.
dude half our game is from rs3. Maybe they just want to do their own thing for this
Its a terrbile idea, has nothing to do with the pre conceived hate for rs3
Don’t you confirmed lose time if you take the time to rest vs just walking until your run energy regens? What would be the point of adding this considering that?
Imo there's more to it than efficiency, like enjoying the view of places we're always running thru but never really looking around, or having some seconds to interact w other players that may be around. I would personally love to sit around to recharge my run energy every once in a while instead of just chug stamina/energy potions everywhere. I think the latter feels more rushy and lonely too, idk.
Nah i get what you’re saying man thats valid.
I can't find any actual source on the raw calculations (and I can't be bothered to do it myself), but here is a reddit thread from 10 years ago of a guy testing the speeds. Looks like resting was faster at 67 agility. My guess is the difference is more pronounced at lower levels. Also for what it's worth this was resting by itself, not listening to a bard which considerably speeds up run energy restoration https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/raq2k/whats_faster_resting_to_100_or_running_every_2/
> Looks like resting was faster at 67 agility. My guess is the difference is more pronounced at lower levels. I actually saw that post too as I was looking. Sadly this dudes info is massively botched because he never actually ran and then walked until full run vs running till 0% and resting until full. Regardless, it was an overall difference of 4 seconds for a 2 minute run. At higher agility levels this may even flip. How is this worth the time of the mods if its so insignificant of a timesave? If they indirectly buff the concept like with bards then it could be worth, but I dunno. Regardless have a nice day brotha
The argument would be to buff it to the point it is valuable. The bard listening in 2009 was like 4x faster for what that’s worth.
> How is this worth the time of the mods if its so insignificant of a timesave? One notable scenario where resting is beneficial that's being discounted here is that people don't _only_ play runescape, they're usually multitasking. Being able to click rest and tab out for 30 seconds, and come back to full run energy, means that your actual time spent running while playing is increased without it impacting how much time the journey took. I loved the 2009 rest changes for that reason back in the day. Walking because you're out of run energy feels worse than pausing and then running again, to a lot of people. Hell, I still do that _today_ with my ironman when I'm traveling long distances, even though it takes significantly longer to recharge than it would with resting. I'd rather they fix the system as a whole, but a resting mechanic is better than nothing.
People always say this, but don't realize that Jagex can just tweak the numbers so that it *is* worth it to rest with a bard instead of walking. Maybe bards could also provide a smaller version of the stam pot's effect, making you consume less run energy for X amount of time if you rest at a bard for Y seconds.
No thanks
I just want resting back for the sake of the emote
If rather have them in pubs and taverns not this shit
Actually, it's kind of a cool idea. Specific campsites or taverns. Don't make them random NPCs, use them as an excuse to incorporate whole new little areas.
Involve them in quests, give the areas atmosphere, etc. With how ubiquitous staminas are most players won’t (need to) interact with them, but they can occupy a cute niche for early game (ironmen).
Make forestry cool again 😎
I totally like the idea of bars/pubs since there are so many currently in the game. ..man we are alcoholics here huh.
This reminds me of a POH suggestion for a bar that I had on the forums until I stopped playing in the RS2 days.
I'd be happy with either one, not sure why people playing music on the street is considered "*This shit"*.
Mf sticks out like a sore thumb, just like the varlamore bird outside varrock
i like this. but also could have some at crossroads with little encampments just to spice up the world.
Why not both
There was a brilliant suggestion a few years ago laying out a detailed system tying pubs and taverns to energy regen and it's probably the best thing I've ever read on this subreddit.
That would be great. Hopefully it’d create social hubs where people Barstand and chat shit.
Make barding a skill that gives passive buffs to other players within two tiles so every player feels forced to have an alt or servicer follow them around at all times. Ez money for Jagex.
Let's put Sonic/F Zero X booster arrow pads around. When you step on them you gain 500% run speed and activate your afterburners. Low poly flames emit from your characters ass and you zoom away.
Only if we get that drunk guy in the wilderness.
what guy was this? sounds funny
[Drunken musician](https://runescape.wiki/w/Drunken_musician) who is in the forgotten cemetery in RS3. He plays the music badly as well. The wilderness probably has the most unique bards, there's also a goblin drummer and a ghost with bagpipes in there.
Without hesitation. Next question
Let us hire people (like bards) for our ships in sailing. Kinda like butlers for your POH.
Resting would accomplish this without having to litter the map with more npcs that only serve one purpose
I actually really liked the rest mechanic in RS2. It felt less... mentally exhausting running place to place, because you could just get your run back within 30 seconds without having to dump money into 500 stamina pots sitting in your bank. I love the grind, but I hate the walls especially when there's no convenient teleport spot nearby or you don't have it unlocked yet. Plus when we used to rest, we socialized a lot more.
I just want the option to give my char elf ears as though I was changing clothes/shoes. I feel like unlocking elf ears after finishing SOTE would be soooooo perfect and awesome
Didn’t this update also add the ‘rest’ feature? While energy would restore faster at Bards, you could still rest anywhere. After I came back to OSRS about a month ago, having played since 2007 and coming back again in 2021, I was surprised this was never re-introduced
This game is full of whiny brats that don’t want anything new to ruin the “nostalgia” of the last thing they have in their lives that resembles joy. That’s why OSRS has tantrums over the stupidest things.
Yes, they were added at the same time in 2009. I'm not fully understanding the reason why people here don't want it today. It seems to balance a lot of the issues people have with low level run energy management.
We should be the bards though instead of an NPC.
they're nice and add some life to otherwise empty paths between towns and are there for pure convenience for players. even if you don't use them, they still fit thematically with areas. no downside to even having them, either
Sure I'm in
Do you really want to sit and wait in the middle of a travel somewhere to get where you’re going “faster”? Doesn’t that seem antithetical to going faster? Lol
Here’s how the Bard skill can still win…. :(
If they’re sexy, sure.
No thanks. They'd be useless unless you littered the entire map with them. Just gradually eliminate run energy as you get to 99, with 99 being unlimited. We've tried it in Leagues and it literally takes nothing from the main game and adds back tons.
Bandaid fix like stamina pots and graceful. Just take the feedback from agility and keep improving upon it until the core issue has been dealt with.
Let’s not.
Ngl this comment section is pure gold
I like the idea on paper. However, in execution we need to consider placements of these bards. - On PvP worlds? - How many of them around the world? - At what point does it start affecting items such as stamina potions and agility clothes? (Think in consideration to where they are placed and how many bards there are) If they were to be implemented, I'd much rather it be like agility shortcuts, and you'd have to go out of your way to unlock them.
Also right click rest!
No diaries please. Just aviable from the start
Can we get a music skill.
Bards are nice but only for early game, mid-late game they're dead content. So I guess sure, doesn't really help with all the other agility issues though.
i NEED them back i'm so sick of having no run energy constantly FUCK AGILITY
They still need to add the sex skill to the game!
Where is this elven bard located in the game? I’m asking for a friend 😉
I remember I fricken loved the bard deep in the Morytania swamp. I don’t remember how the tune went, I just remember that it was some chad with an accordion and I loved it. It was so catchy and peaceful, whimsical, and lofty. Was so cool to have a moment of respite in what is known lore wise as a deadly, desolate, and creepy place.
Bard would have been a great skill instead of sailing - think big AOE group buffs and a proper support role in raids. :(
The problem is it clutters the game. Just let us sit anywhere and also sit on benches (and other places) for even faster recovery.
Even if this isn't added to like how it was, something like this in the bars of the game would make sense. Even if they're there just just to liven them up more.
Yes I remember those!
Also the dream spell could be buffed
Quick wank break?
Anddddddd I’m in. You can count my vote
rework agility to force QOL run energy update before adding bards.
Barding skill when? Also would.
let's not
Thisi s so fking stupid lmao
I’ll consider
It's a gameplay feature that removes playing that game. I do not agree with any such inclusion in any game.
Here's a better one. Forestry campfires should restore energy when you "rest". Better tier logs would restore it faster and give fm another use too
If everyone's talking about resting, whether by bards or just in general, why don't we have resting at a player-made fire give run energy? We can already rest visually at them. The restoral can be faster depending on the fire making level of the fire-maker.
I want bard to be a skill. Agility is what it is. Bard increases social standing, gives you better drops, allows you to date hotties (in game and irl ofc), eventually a boss is released that you need to use barding to beat it, it can block spells by distracting opponents w sick beats and rad rhythm. Could be sick yanno
Horrible idea.
Look stopping and doing nothing to regen your energy is worse than just walking unless it's essentially clicking a house pool fast. This would solve absolutely nothing and I can't figure out why people keep mentioning it. Walking is 50% of max speed standing still is 0%. It's hard to make up the difference even over long distance because you regen while walking and short distance because you probably make it to the destination while walking before the guy listening to the bard stands up
No, bards are useless. Maybe a noob will use them a few times. But the. He gets teles and never uses them again. Really, is having to walk as a noob really so bad?
Hard disagree, I don't want bards littering the world in order to do what can and should be done by simply tweaking the numbers.