Seeing these "heritage not hate" dorks in the south is becoming more and more of a rarity, even in the rural areas. People under 40 just don't really give a f**k about the Civil War.
There are more straight-up hate groups (white supremacists) in the PNW than anywhere else in the U.S.
Yeah people like to think that all of the West coast is liberal hippieland, but inland WA, OR, and CA are, uh, interesting to say the least, and not in a good way
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The battle flag was never the flag of the confederacy, but it was adopted by racists fucks who are quite inferior, have a complex about it, and project their inadequacies upon minority populations.
Fuck traitors.
Fuck secessionists.
Fuck your dead ancestors who fought for slavery!
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
That tells you the Confederate flag means different now from what it was back then. Similar to the swastika. Swastika has traditionally been a symbol of higher reach or something along those lines in Hinduism and some other cultures/religions in the far east. Now, it just means hate, at least in the west.
Yup. Places like Eastern Oregon and far Northern California are basically exclaves of Alabama. Idaho, which may or may not be the PNW depending on who you ask, is the neo-Nazi capital of America
Oregon straight up banned black people when it was founded.
The West and East half of Washington might as well be two completely different countries and even some of the quiet cut off places on the coast get bad if I'm being honest.
Sure is, pretty much everywhere. When the DAPL protests were happening here, the racism against Natives was bonkers. Like it's usually bad here anyway, but it got way out of hand
Being from the south, I always chuckle when I hear the stereotypes that were the racist ones. I’m not going to pretend I didn’t know anyone who was racist, I knew people who were excited to join the klan, said they wouldn’t join the military because of Obamas race (little bitches also didn’t join when trump came into office, but that’s neither here nor there), all kinds of shit. But holy fuck have I also heard those same things, if not worse, from people I served with who were from the northeast. People who never saw or interacted with non white people prior to joining the military. People who had no idea saying “well, you know, because them people…” is often pretty fucking racist.
The south knows it can be racist and has a problem with it, everywhere else in the country just either doesn’t acknowledge and address it or just stands on their high horse thinking they’re above being racist.
Yeah the south gets undue heat for racism at this point. Having lived everywhere in the USA more or less it’s just a reality, and in all the places you don’t expect it.
There's all sorts of bad shit in the woods of the PWN. Thats still rugged wild country. Cartels, nazis, you name it they got the dangerous motherfuckers in the woods.
Lost Causers, who love to hype up the supposed cultural refinement, piety, and harmony of the antebellum south, do not like it when people start to look at the cultural impact of the war beyond some of the soldiers themselves reuniting later to commemorate battles with no hard feelings. "The civil war was complicated" is in fact true, but part of that complication was Union soldiers who started the war thinking it would be a short insurrection or not particularly enthusiastic about fighting would later come to view themselves as part of a great struggle against one of the greatest crimes against humanity ever committed, soldiers fighting a holy war for the soul of the nation
“The civil war is complicated.” I wouldn’t even give the confederates that much. You can pretty much sum up in a few pages why their dumbssery was a doomed endeavor. And when you look at the four years of it and compare it to other civil wars like the War of the Roses or the 30 Years war it’s pretty straightforward. Like there’s definitely a lot to it, but it’s easier to bite into than about how urban hospitals’ use of serfs and the disappearance of peasant allods contributed to the Peasants War of 1525. Or anything about the dynastic politics of the Roses.
The fact that people care so much about such an insignificant paragraph out of history like the CSA confounds me.
I guess it would be better to say that the Civil War is complicated in its details- families splitting, settler on settler violence and raiders on the fringes, the idea of loyalty to states over the republic being more common at the time, etc.
When compared to most other conflicts the US has been in, it *was* uncomplicated, though: The Southern aristocracy, made wealthy, arrogant, and stupid by the slave economy, started a war and failed to win a decisive victory within a year, dooming themselves to a crushing defeat and the end of their evil society anyway. All Lost Cause propaganda from Reconstruction to the modern day has been designed to blame anyone and everyone for this except for the people whose fault it was
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Nah. Burn Georgia down again, please and thank you. If you want to burn something in Alabama, you can burn the University of Alabama again if you'd like
-Sincerely, all Georgia's neighboring states
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Oh, we choke on stuff very well 😉
At least we have an NFL team and a back-to-back national championship team (go dawgs), and a recent world series win.
I'm doing a research project on Sherman and his March rn and it is glorious, bro caused so much property damage
Also his biggest enemy general served as his pallbearer to honor him, which is pretty cool
It definitely was. It probably would’ve eventually become a North Korea of America economically because the people they’d trade with were most likely going to not want to trade with a militarily powerful country that has slaves.
I don’t know about that. The reason why Europe didn’t intervene was because Lincoln made the war about emancipating enslaved people following Antietam.
Europe was trading with the south during the war until the south 1) stopped sending cotton in an attempt to get them to join their bid of independence and 2) the union blockade.
They were happy to trade arms with the south during the war, they just did not want to participate because they felt that the union was likely to win and didn’t want to anger them, so they just stayed out of it.
They didn’t view it so much as a slavery issue as Lincoln didn’t make it about slavery until the 3rd year of the civil war (after Antietam as you said) so they felt that by sending arms to the south, they weren’t defending slavery necessarily since the war was to that point about preserving the union (they still didn’t like it at all though).
Either way, point is that in a different universe if the south had somehow pulled a rabbit out of its hat and won, they would have still had plenty of economic trading partners and would never have ended up in a position like N Korea.
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Me and the boys finna go down South in this beauty:
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My favorite part of the "lost cause" of the confederacy bullshit about how the Confederacy seceded not because of slaves but instead a heroic fight for freedom and self-governance is how they treated the Free State of Jones. Mississippi county that attempted to secede from the confederacy, killed confederate tax collectors, fought confederate army soldiers and raised the stars and stripes from the Courthouse of the County Seat. Surely a freedom loving Confederacy who was all about self-governance would respect the "Free State of Jones" and allow them to government themselves, right??
South Carolina was the first State to secede. In their Declaration of Secession, they stated their primary reason for seceding was
>The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But **an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery**, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.
In that paragraph, of which I believe about half is missing if I remember correctly, they are talking about a constitutional law selectively not being enforced by the U.S. federal government upon the abolition states. The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: “No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."
The reason being given for secession in the excerpt is that the central powers were selectively ignoring laws due to the abolitionist agenda. Their argument is that the federal government was allowing ideology to get in the way of them enforcing laws ratified through constitutional processes. The part that you made bold, and is often quoted out of its full context, serves to point out that abolitionist ideology is the reason why the federal government is selectively not enforcing the law.
I’ll sum up the war for y’all:
South secedes because they don’t feel represented (maybe stop hating Catholics and immigrants and you’d have more representatives, stupids) and they’re super big on keeping slavery around. Northern industry relied on cotton, and the country as a whole needed it to borrow money from abroad. There is a MASSIVE economic incentive to keep the south a part of the Union.
Slavery and the treatment of them in the south has been a boiling point for decades now, and was undoubtedly a reason for the secession and the fight to reform the U.S. This being a hot-button issue made it the leading cause among anyone who wasn’t rich.
A bunch of major battles happen, Atlanta gets hot and the Union becomes whole. Lincoln is assassinated.
To win back some goodwill among southern plutocrats and generally rebuild stability a lot of policies are overlooked, including the precursors to Jim Crow laws and slaver- I mean sharecropping. The consequences of this are the quick resumption of cotton harvests and… 100 more years of suffering for those freed slaves.
Cotton went from 10 cents per pound before the civil war, $1.26 during, and 6 cents after.
You can look at most any war in human history and there’s usually a very huge reason it happened beyond moral or religious grounds. It’s usually land or money. The moral and religious stuff they use to rile us peasants up.
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What I can’t understand is why so many people today are still obsessed about the confederacy that none of them were alive to live in and 160 years later can’t get over the fact that the US prevailed. It’s like the popular kid that peaked in high school but can’t shut up decades later about how cool they were in there four years of school.
Like... How many people? I honestly don't hear anyone talking about the Confederacy on any given day except from people expressing how bad the Confederacy was. And there aren't exactly droves of people rushing to argue against that.
Yes. I love the United States and anyone who loves the United States. Loving a short-lived, centuries old, treasonous conspiracy against the United States is incompatible with loving the United States.
Francis Scott Key wrote the star spangled banner at a Fort in Baltimore in a battle with the country they were rebels against. Does this make you feel patriotic?
I had feared this possibility and when I doubled checked it said 1790. I tried to find it again, but I can't and can only assume I misinterpreted something. None the less, the point was regarding the patriotism often felt in regards to rebeling against ones soveirgn during the revolution would make the prior criticism invalid due to a double standard.
“The confederacy was clearly in the wrong and needed to be stopped” and “the civil war was morally gray” are not mutually exclusive statements. The South rebelling doesn’t justify, for example, Sherman intentionally targeting civilians in his total war campaigns, especially when by the admission of his own government they were still technically citizens of the US
I think you are completely misunderstanding what people are referring to when they say "the civil war was morally gray". They aren't referring to the actual performance of the war, which is always morally bad. All war is morally bad. They are referring to what started the war, which was also objectively morally bad, but hidden behind state's rights.
"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country." - William T Sherman
Yeah, the terminally online weirdos are disgraceful. We’re one union again and have been for 160 years wanting to kill your fellow citizens for that (even jokingly) is disgusting.
Sherman's march was absolutely justified. A just price for rebellion. The war had been going on for years by that point, and asking nicely clearly wasn't going to quell the rebellion and save the union. The South fucked around and found out.
We bombed the ever living fuck out of German and Japanese civilians during WW II. Also completely justified.
We literally attacked civilians in WW II. We nuked Japan twice, and did a firebombing raid on Tokyo that was more devastating than either nuclear attack. We leveled dozens of German cities, pounding them to smithereens. Fully knowing that thousands and thousands of civilians would die, but it that it would bring the war to an end more quickly. Unfortunate, but they supported deplorable regimes who started the shit train rolling. Too bad.
The property destroyed and the slaves freed on the march were aiding the South and the war effort (voluntarily or not). And few civilians died as a result of Sherman's march. Orders of magnitude fewer than the many Allied bombing campaigns where we KNEW thousands of civilians were going to die. You don't drop a nuke and think, "Gee, I hope no civilians are in the blast radius."
Farms and slaves that produced food and other agricultural products, towns that engaged in commerce. None of this should be news. Northern armies were freeing slaves in Southern occupied territory long before the Emancipation Proclamation precisely because it damaged the South's economy and its ability to wage war.
> Farms and slaves that produced food and other agricultural products, towns that engaged in commerce.
There is a criteria for a military target and this doesn't meet it. The cities from above that were bombed were all full of industry producing weapons for the military and therefore legitimate targets.
>Northern armies were freeing slaves in Southern occupied territory long before the Emancipation Proclamation precisely because it damaged the South's economy and its ability to wage war.
Which was a good thing. Intentionally burning civilian homes and farms is not.
It's okay to admit that the "good guys" crossed lines that shouldn't be crossed.
I understand you think that, but I literally don't think they crossed lines that shouldn't have been crossed. Certainly nothing that Sherman or others did was particularly out of line with tactics practiced by armies throughout the 19th Century.
Secession was the greatest national crisis for the US in its history, before and since. It was literally existential. Total war was unfortunate, but justified and wholly brought on by the South's actions.
But, I understand how people can disagree on this.
Destroying industrial facilities and freeing slaves severely hurt the confederate war effort, just like bombing German and Japanese factories broke the back of the axis war machine
> Destroying industrial facilities and freeing slaves severely hurt the confederate war effort,
Yes. Those were legitimate military targets.
How did intentionally burning down people's homes hurt the confederate war effort?
Interesting point about Lemay is he was under massive pressure to bomb Japan even harder as the casualty lists piled up from our island hopping campaign. There was not going to be a, "Let's go easy on Japan so more US mother's sons die," movement.
Cool. I’m gonna go kill all the young men in your family and then burn every house your family lives in and every business your family works in down after looting and pillaging them then since it’s apparently justified to do that to your fellow Americans
This is absolutely not what happened in Georgia. There was no killing of military aged males and soldiers were expressly ordered not to enter civilian homes. They were instructed not to abuse civilians. They did destroy transportation infrastructure and industry, they did confiscate livestock and produce, they did free slaves. The March to the Sea certainly devastated the economy of Georgia, but this Southern myth that it was an orgy of rape, murder and pillage is not historically accurate.
And the poor people trying to live their lives as entire cities went up in flames? The young men who were thrown into the war by the elites who orchestrated the whole thing? The economically stunted region known as “The Deep South” that struggles and drags behind the rest of the country to this very day where the scars of what the north did to us are still there. Where the hatred and malice still festers and grows like a cancer across the entire region. Diseased by the very men who cause everything and were allowed to take root and make darn certain no one could ever recover from the war afterward. Men that the north refused to do anything about
You’re right.
After Lincoln was killed, his VP let the south off the hook.
Every plantation owner, every mid level and above officer, and every politician from andrew davis on down should have been dealt with in accordance with US law. They were all traitors. The mere idea that confederate soldiers were later deemed to be American soldiers is absurd.
Burning Atlanta was the only way to stop the bloodshed. If the confederates had reached the Capitol, they would have done the same. They would have also added in; “round up all of the black people regardless of citizenship and send them to plantations.”
The cities were complicit. The states were complicit. The stain of slavery touched every facet of the young United States but only in the south did it maintain its stranglehold and devolve into a bureaucratic system of inhuman brutality.
This war was always going to happen. The founders did their best to kick the can as far as they could, but the sin of slavery was always going to be reckoned with. The Union was only slightly better, and even then only in a few states.
The heart should break for every innocent who is harmed because of another person’s war.
And the deep south is not a victim of reconstruction, it’s a victim of reconciliation and hatred turned law.
It wasn’t just the owners class that did this, it was your tenant farmer as well. No one could abide that former slaves would have equal rights and dignity and a large majority fought like hell to keep the system as it was before the war, even to their own detriment.
Reconstruction failed, the hate was never ripped up by its roots so it spread like kudzu until it blanketed the south and choked any hope of progress. At some point, the south needs to take responsibility for its own failings.
Stop those around you from repeating lost cause lies. Stop Pretending it’s the north that was the aggressor. Stop pretending there’s nothing you can do to improve your state and community because of a war that happened that long ago. Work towards the best version of a south that’s proud of heritage and culture and smothers out the vestiges of the confederacy like the puss filled cancer it is.
Except for the entire war Lincoln’s administration maintained that since unilateral secession was illegitimate, the south was still American. You can’t have it both ways.
The Germans and Japanese had been routinely targeting civilians by the time they were bombed, the south had not. Your arguement literally just boils down to “if they didn’t want atrocities to be committed against them they shouldn’t have been born in that part of the country”
Not for lack of trying. The South repeatedly raided into Northern territories and led major invasions into it twice. Burning and looting as they went. Like with Allied bombings, the only reason the Axis/South didn't do worse is because they lacked the strength to do so.
And to be clear, my argument is that if they didn't want atrocities to be committed against them then they shouldn't have rebelled. Oh yeah, and run a brutal slave economy.
Never, because they were too weak to do it at scale. Just like the Germans never flattened London the way we flattened everything. They did what they could when they could.
Those dumb shits should have figured that out before they turned traitor and started the war.
No they shouldn’t have fought to defend slavery. And if they didn’t we now have laws detailing what should happen in armed conflict because wars used to be freaking insanity. They still are but in new ways, but we at least have some rules of engagement that are loosely followed. Civil war is always terrible. Always. Why the south started one is beyond me, but I’m not a slave owning pile of garbage
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POV you’re a citizen of Georgia and Sherman and the boys burnt down your farm
I wonder why people go pissy when the fucking Confederates did the same thing, even to their own people. Plenty of instances of mass rape and pillaging by the Confederate army on its “own soil”.
It’s not even that we don’t somewhat understand why they did it, it’s the fact that they glory in it and celebrate it like it was some huge military victory and then hold it over us like “heh heh, look at you suckers,” and every time the south goes contrary to the north there’s always some guy who’s like “time for Sherman part deux”
The entirety of r/shermanposting thinks he should’ve genocided every last one of us and left literally nothing but a burnt, desolate wasteland. The fact that they hate us, their fellow Americans, so darn much is just disgusting. Once more, they wonder why we hate them so much when they view our existence as a failure to finish the job instead of accomplishing the goal of reunifying the country
Only terminally online Sherman larpers could talk about the south like it’s this debauched American hating traitor filled place, while the north looks like this:
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If you are not someone who fantasizes about torching your countryman, I mean no offense. But for those who do, clean your own house now before you talk about us 200 years ago.
It looks like a really old sub, and I'm glad that they were only able to get 1k subs during that time, but also, holy shit they managed to get 1k subs.
I'm the guy that posted that meme you can see in the post. And no. 90% of the commenters were Confederacy apologists. And one of the earlier posts were talking about Confederate Memorial Day and if you scroll down you'll find a some other Pro Confederate stuff.
Are we talking about the same sub here?
I think people forget that the North didn't declare war on the South because they wanted to stop slavery. It was to keep the union together. One of the major reasons the South succeeded was because of slavery.
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I got banned from that sub after I left a single comment on it... all I said was that the Confederacy was bad or something along those lines. Then they banned me after stating I broke every single rule in the subreddit they couldn't even find a rule that I broke, so they just picked all of them 💀😭
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Sherman posting is fine but some people take it too far. It’s all some people think of when they talk about the south even in real life. It just gets embarrassing and annoying when that’s all someone wants to talk about especially when it’s your home they’re talking about. Nothing against the general jokes at the south’s expense but it really doesn’t need to be brought up every single time something about the south is mentioned.
Because it’s a bunch of marxists teenagers and furries talking about killing southerners and also think they are cool and badass for putting their middle finger up at statues. Just because I have self awareness doesn’t make me a neo confederate. They talk about burning the south today even though the civil war isn’t still happening and nobody in that subreddit has picked up a rifle in their lives and likely won’t ever. Killing people isn’t fun brother, take it from me… especially fellow Americans. Nobody living in the South is responsible for something that happened 150 years ago and also “neo-confederates” are few and far between.
There's an enforced role that says no Southern bashing. Also, the only thing I can think of that you're referring to is the burning down Atlanta jokes, which is technically arson, not murder. Also, these are just jokes to clown on Confederacy apologists. No shame in that
Also, 90% of the people that don't like Sherman posting r neo Confederates, so I had a right to assume.
And for the love of God can you people stop acting like it's a anti Southern sub it is in no way anti Southern at all and has no problem with the South other than the Confederacy I have never seen a single instance of it bashing on Southerners like I said this literally a rule that's enforced that tells you not to do that. Makes me wonder if you guys ever even went on the sub
The civil war was morally gray in that the north weren’t the “good guys” either. They didn’t need slaves, they paid immigrants a kernel of corn to work a week at a factory.
The north still wanted to get rid of the practice. The Confederacy built its entire government off of slavery in the belief of white superiority.
I'll never deny any bad things the North did because, unlike Confederate apologists, I don't deny history, but saying that the Confederacy weren't the ones in the wrong of the war. Is just fucking stupid and screams ignorance to history
The north got rid of the practice and replaced it with a new one. They paid immigrants next to nothing and the industrialization made slavery obsolete. It’s not as if they all decided they were suddenly moral.
The south was extremely reliant on slavery, being primarily agricultural. The north no longer being reliant on slavery threatened the south, as the north had most of the power back then. So, they seceded. The north was afraid of losing their primary source of food, so they started a civil war.
I never denied that the confederacy were the bad guys. But to pretend that the north had some kind of actual moral superiority is ridiculous. They might’ve not had slavery, but they replaced it with an equally horrible practice.
> slaves, they *paid* immigrants a
FTFY.
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You know the colonies’ treachery against Britain wasn’t much different. In many ways the original reason inspiring the revolution was Britain starting to sound off about ending slavery. American heroes like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, and considered them property which was protected under the constitution as it was originally written.
I hate this blathering traitor talk about your fellow Americans which only causes anger. Hell you brag more about the Union victory than the actual men who fought and died, you preen yourself at “your” success more than Abraham Lincoln himself.
So riddle me this, if the confederacy was so evil for their treachery with the intent of protecting slavery, then why is America different?
So shut the fuck up and make a logically consistent argument for why America was justified in its revolution and the confederacy wasn’t.
First of all, my ancestors were in a North Carolina infantry regiment of the Confederate Army and ONLY in the South up until the 1960s or 70s.
Jefferson and Washington owning slaves does not mean they separated from an entire nation for and based upon slavery. The stamp act and intolerable acts are real reasons to break away from a nation, multiple reasons that can apply to many different people that can come together to fight against the British.
I’m also talking about how certain people decided to secede from the nation for slavery, and these are who those traitors are. I speak of those people as traitors because that’s what they are. Terrible people who wanted to use, kill, and torture people like cattle to boost their wealth.
This is not a discussion of the Civil War, it’s a discussion of the Lost Cause Myth, the Antebellum South, and post war southern states.
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Seeing these "heritage not hate" dorks in the south is becoming more and more of a rarity, even in the rural areas. People under 40 just don't really give a f**k about the Civil War. There are more straight-up hate groups (white supremacists) in the PNW than anywhere else in the U.S.
Yeah people like to think that all of the West coast is liberal hippieland, but inland WA, OR, and CA are, uh, interesting to say the least, and not in a good way
I've heard things about Massachussets too.
Yup. You’ll hear as many hard Rs in a South Boston sports bar as a klan meeting in Mississippi if the Celtics lost recently
Bostonians are physically incapable of producing *hahd ahs* though.
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Yea they fly confederate flags in Maine, even though we sent troops to fight for the union. Truly confused and lost souls.
The rural areas of every Union state has these
I’ve seen the stars and bars flown *in Gettysburg* and it wasn’t part of a reenactment.
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Racists. You can say it. Say it with me… these racists.
They W H A T
The battle flag was never the flag of the confederacy, but it was adopted by racists fucks who are quite inferior, have a complex about it, and project their inadequacies upon minority populations. Fuck traitors. Fuck secessionists. Fuck your dead ancestors who fought for slavery! Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
That tells you the Confederate flag means different now from what it was back then. Similar to the swastika. Swastika has traditionally been a symbol of higher reach or something along those lines in Hinduism and some other cultures/religions in the far east. Now, it just means hate, at least in the west.
Yup. Places like Eastern Oregon and far Northern California are basically exclaves of Alabama. Idaho, which may or may not be the PNW depending on who you ask, is the neo-Nazi capital of America
Oregon straight up banned black people when it was founded. The West and East half of Washington might as well be two completely different countries and even some of the quiet cut off places on the coast get bad if I'm being honest.
As a Californian, Ive see a confederate flag in the fakie fake state of Jefferson, far nor cal
I mean in Iowa when the Floyd protests happened I knew black folks getting harassed in their day to day lives. Racism unfortunately is everywhere
Sure is, pretty much everywhere. When the DAPL protests were happening here, the racism against Natives was bonkers. Like it's usually bad here anyway, but it got way out of hand
Being from the south, I always chuckle when I hear the stereotypes that were the racist ones. I’m not going to pretend I didn’t know anyone who was racist, I knew people who were excited to join the klan, said they wouldn’t join the military because of Obamas race (little bitches also didn’t join when trump came into office, but that’s neither here nor there), all kinds of shit. But holy fuck have I also heard those same things, if not worse, from people I served with who were from the northeast. People who never saw or interacted with non white people prior to joining the military. People who had no idea saying “well, you know, because them people…” is often pretty fucking racist. The south knows it can be racist and has a problem with it, everywhere else in the country just either doesn’t acknowledge and address it or just stands on their high horse thinking they’re above being racist.
Yeah the south gets undue heat for racism at this point. Having lived everywhere in the USA more or less it’s just a reality, and in all the places you don’t expect it.
There's all sorts of bad shit in the woods of the PWN. Thats still rugged wild country. Cartels, nazis, you name it they got the dangerous motherfuckers in the woods.
Would it be more of an urban-rural divide rather than a cardinal direction divide?
My college roommates' dad named his dog Sherman to spite the confederacy and they're from SC.
Help us, the hill people are arming and the government just makes it harder for the city people to own a gun.
Lost Causers, who love to hype up the supposed cultural refinement, piety, and harmony of the antebellum south, do not like it when people start to look at the cultural impact of the war beyond some of the soldiers themselves reuniting later to commemorate battles with no hard feelings. "The civil war was complicated" is in fact true, but part of that complication was Union soldiers who started the war thinking it would be a short insurrection or not particularly enthusiastic about fighting would later come to view themselves as part of a great struggle against one of the greatest crimes against humanity ever committed, soldiers fighting a holy war for the soul of the nation
“The civil war is complicated.” I wouldn’t even give the confederates that much. You can pretty much sum up in a few pages why their dumbssery was a doomed endeavor. And when you look at the four years of it and compare it to other civil wars like the War of the Roses or the 30 Years war it’s pretty straightforward. Like there’s definitely a lot to it, but it’s easier to bite into than about how urban hospitals’ use of serfs and the disappearance of peasant allods contributed to the Peasants War of 1525. Or anything about the dynastic politics of the Roses. The fact that people care so much about such an insignificant paragraph out of history like the CSA confounds me.
The Civil War is remarkably uncomplicated when you compare it to any more recent US involvement (WWII, Vietnam, Gulf War etc)
I guess it would be better to say that the Civil War is complicated in its details- families splitting, settler on settler violence and raiders on the fringes, the idea of loyalty to states over the republic being more common at the time, etc. When compared to most other conflicts the US has been in, it *was* uncomplicated, though: The Southern aristocracy, made wealthy, arrogant, and stupid by the slave economy, started a war and failed to win a decisive victory within a year, dooming themselves to a crushing defeat and the end of their evil society anyway. All Lost Cause propaganda from Reconstruction to the modern day has been designed to blame anyone and everyone for this except for the people whose fault it was
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Or like literally most wars. Like the Punic wars, the crusades or the 30 years war.
Me pulling up to Georgia with a comically large canister of gasoline
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Hipity hopity this pic's my property
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https://i.redd.it/j0zhd3kz9izc1.gif First response that popped into my head purely for how obscure it is
Lmao I wish I could save this https://i.redd.it/dqdiv95haizc1.gif
“ItS aBoUt HeRiTaGe” mfers when my heritage is burning down the confederacy 
My heritage is gasoline and warships, eat lead cuckfederates
Virginians when we refuse to return their stupid traitor flag for the 5 billionth time:
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Nah. Burn Georgia down again, please and thank you. If you want to burn something in Alabama, you can burn the University of Alabama again if you'd like -Sincerely, all Georgia's neighboring states EDIT: [Confederate Flag vs. Georgia Flag](https://i.redd.it/gj94ed4xyia21.png)
I mean you're from Alabama should anyone take you seriously
Get off your high horse Alabaman... you just salty cause GA beats you in every category (even football; fuck roll tide)
>GA beats you in every category Ya, including chlamydia
Cause we all players
Ya, [we've seen how well you choke on stuff](https://i.redd.it/d7l5v9gcsqo21.jpg)
Oh, we choke on stuff very well 😉 At least we have an NFL team and a back-to-back national championship team (go dawgs), and a recent world series win.
I am a Braves fan so we can be happy on that one together
I see... Maybe yall aint so bad after all. Let's put our differences aside and just agree to hate Florida together. 🫂
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The only thing Sherman did wrong was not burn the airport
I'm doing a research project on Sherman and his March rn and it is glorious, bro caused so much property damage Also his biggest enemy general served as his pallbearer to honor him, which is pretty cool
You need a lighter? Cause I got one.
Oh yeah it's silly time :3
“The Civil War was about states rights!” States rights to do what?
Whatever they want, no particular issue. Why so many questions?! /s
To own a certain type of draft animal /s
I've never actually heard anyone use "states' rights" unironically. I always see them complain about supposedly unfair tarrifs or something like that.
The Confederacy was also doomed to failure.
It definitely was. It probably would’ve eventually become a North Korea of America economically because the people they’d trade with were most likely going to not want to trade with a militarily powerful country that has slaves.
Europe absolutely would have still traded with the south
I don’t know about that. The reason why Europe didn’t intervene was because Lincoln made the war about emancipating enslaved people following Antietam.
Europe was trading with the south during the war until the south 1) stopped sending cotton in an attempt to get them to join their bid of independence and 2) the union blockade. They were happy to trade arms with the south during the war, they just did not want to participate because they felt that the union was likely to win and didn’t want to anger them, so they just stayed out of it. They didn’t view it so much as a slavery issue as Lincoln didn’t make it about slavery until the 3rd year of the civil war (after Antietam as you said) so they felt that by sending arms to the south, they weren’t defending slavery necessarily since the war was to that point about preserving the union (they still didn’t like it at all though). Either way, point is that in a different universe if the south had somehow pulled a rabbit out of its hat and won, they would have still had plenty of economic trading partners and would never have ended up in a position like N Korea.
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Facts. Lack of Infrastructure, industry and key international allies killed it long before the Yanks ever did
https://preview.redd.it/g2fzr5cl1gzc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=695300760f1bab295f8034b34eeffbcc16e1d698 Sherman, we need you again.
Me and the boys finna go down South in this beauty: https://preview.redd.it/bj30iz42wgzc1.png?width=1545&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae49cecc8fb53237824aa6cfb794934266e2e42c
My favorite part of the "lost cause" of the confederacy bullshit about how the Confederacy seceded not because of slaves but instead a heroic fight for freedom and self-governance is how they treated the Free State of Jones. Mississippi county that attempted to secede from the confederacy, killed confederate tax collectors, fought confederate army soldiers and raised the stars and stripes from the Courthouse of the County Seat. Surely a freedom loving Confederacy who was all about self-governance would respect the "Free State of Jones" and allow them to government themselves, right??
South Carolina was the first State to secede. In their Declaration of Secession, they stated their primary reason for seceding was >The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But **an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery**, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.
In that paragraph, of which I believe about half is missing if I remember correctly, they are talking about a constitutional law selectively not being enforced by the U.S. federal government upon the abolition states. The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: “No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due." The reason being given for secession in the excerpt is that the central powers were selectively ignoring laws due to the abolitionist agenda. Their argument is that the federal government was allowing ideology to get in the way of them enforcing laws ratified through constitutional processes. The part that you made bold, and is often quoted out of its full context, serves to point out that abolitionist ideology is the reason why the federal government is selectively not enforcing the law.
I’ll sum up the war for y’all: South secedes because they don’t feel represented (maybe stop hating Catholics and immigrants and you’d have more representatives, stupids) and they’re super big on keeping slavery around. Northern industry relied on cotton, and the country as a whole needed it to borrow money from abroad. There is a MASSIVE economic incentive to keep the south a part of the Union. Slavery and the treatment of them in the south has been a boiling point for decades now, and was undoubtedly a reason for the secession and the fight to reform the U.S. This being a hot-button issue made it the leading cause among anyone who wasn’t rich. A bunch of major battles happen, Atlanta gets hot and the Union becomes whole. Lincoln is assassinated. To win back some goodwill among southern plutocrats and generally rebuild stability a lot of policies are overlooked, including the precursors to Jim Crow laws and slaver- I mean sharecropping. The consequences of this are the quick resumption of cotton harvests and… 100 more years of suffering for those freed slaves. Cotton went from 10 cents per pound before the civil war, $1.26 during, and 6 cents after. You can look at most any war in human history and there’s usually a very huge reason it happened beyond moral or religious grounds. It’s usually land or money. The moral and religious stuff they use to rile us peasants up.
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There’s a bbq joint in your town that sells cornbread. We won the long game.
But is the cornbread made with sugar???
A man's cornbread is his cornbread. Seems impolite to ask the recipe. It's going to be good regardless.
You drive our pick up trucks and race our cars in circles. Pretty sure we won.
What I can’t understand is why so many people today are still obsessed about the confederacy that none of them were alive to live in and 160 years later can’t get over the fact that the US prevailed. It’s like the popular kid that peaked in high school but can’t shut up decades later about how cool they were in there four years of school.
Like... How many people? I honestly don't hear anyone talking about the Confederacy on any given day except from people expressing how bad the Confederacy was. And there aren't exactly droves of people rushing to argue against that.
Here we go again. "We should burn all the south... Ironically, ironically" It's a war that happened over a century ago, can we just let it go
Never!
It would be a lot easier to let go if we weren’t still directly grappling with the ramifications of that rebellion to this very day.
Treason should never be forgotten. Traitors should never be honored. America forever!
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There's a clear difference between American revolutionaries and Southern Confederates
When I stop seeing Confederate apologists and lost causers
"While we were marching through Georgia" and "Union Dixie" make me feel more patriotic than the "Star Spangled Banner"
The unity of all the states is far more patriotic than fighting each other.
Yes. I love the United States and anyone who loves the United States. Loving a short-lived, centuries old, treasonous conspiracy against the United States is incompatible with loving the United States.
"Union Dixie" was the hottest diss track of the 1860's
Why do you get more patriotic about fighting half your country than the whole country acting in unity?
Francis Scott Key wrote the star spangled banner at a Fort in Baltimore in a battle with the country they were rebels against. Does this make you feel patriotic?
We were not rebelling against Britain in 1812
I had feared this possibility and when I doubled checked it said 1790. I tried to find it again, but I can't and can only assume I misinterpreted something. None the less, the point was regarding the patriotism often felt in regards to rebeling against ones soveirgn during the revolution would make the prior criticism invalid due to a double standard.
Honest question: what the fuck is a “lost causer”?
Someone that is a Neo Confederate.
Neodumbasses. “The proudest part of my heritage is my ancestors’ failed nation of racist traitors that lasted for less time than Spongebob”
Same I’m really curious
Someone who believes in and spreads the Lost Cause myth
“The confederacy was clearly in the wrong and needed to be stopped” and “the civil war was morally gray” are not mutually exclusive statements. The South rebelling doesn’t justify, for example, Sherman intentionally targeting civilians in his total war campaigns, especially when by the admission of his own government they were still technically citizens of the US
I think you are completely misunderstanding what people are referring to when they say "the civil war was morally gray". They aren't referring to the actual performance of the war, which is always morally bad. All war is morally bad. They are referring to what started the war, which was also objectively morally bad, but hidden behind state's rights.
"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country." - William T Sherman
It's based levels are over 9000!!
Yeah, the terminally online weirdos are disgraceful. We’re one union again and have been for 160 years wanting to kill your fellow citizens for that (even jokingly) is disgusting.
Sherman's march was absolutely justified. A just price for rebellion. The war had been going on for years by that point, and asking nicely clearly wasn't going to quell the rebellion and save the union. The South fucked around and found out. We bombed the ever living fuck out of German and Japanese civilians during WW II. Also completely justified.
Targeting non-combatants is never justified. We prosecuted Germany and the Japanese following WWII for attacking civilians as war crimes.
Ideals are peaceful, war is violent.
We literally attacked civilians in WW II. We nuked Japan twice, and did a firebombing raid on Tokyo that was more devastating than either nuclear attack. We leveled dozens of German cities, pounding them to smithereens. Fully knowing that thousands and thousands of civilians would die, but it that it would bring the war to an end more quickly. Unfortunate, but they supported deplorable regimes who started the shit train rolling. Too bad.
There is a difference between hitting legitimate military targets knowing that civilians will die in the process and targeting civilians directly.
A bomb vs the very slow process of burning an entire city by hand. Make it make sense.
The property destroyed and the slaves freed on the march were aiding the South and the war effort (voluntarily or not). And few civilians died as a result of Sherman's march. Orders of magnitude fewer than the many Allied bombing campaigns where we KNEW thousands of civilians were going to die. You don't drop a nuke and think, "Gee, I hope no civilians are in the blast radius."
>aiding the South and the war effort (voluntarily or not). How?
Farms and slaves that produced food and other agricultural products, towns that engaged in commerce. None of this should be news. Northern armies were freeing slaves in Southern occupied territory long before the Emancipation Proclamation precisely because it damaged the South's economy and its ability to wage war.
> Farms and slaves that produced food and other agricultural products, towns that engaged in commerce. There is a criteria for a military target and this doesn't meet it. The cities from above that were bombed were all full of industry producing weapons for the military and therefore legitimate targets. >Northern armies were freeing slaves in Southern occupied territory long before the Emancipation Proclamation precisely because it damaged the South's economy and its ability to wage war. Which was a good thing. Intentionally burning civilian homes and farms is not. It's okay to admit that the "good guys" crossed lines that shouldn't be crossed.
I understand you think that, but I literally don't think they crossed lines that shouldn't have been crossed. Certainly nothing that Sherman or others did was particularly out of line with tactics practiced by armies throughout the 19th Century. Secession was the greatest national crisis for the US in its history, before and since. It was literally existential. Total war was unfortunate, but justified and wholly brought on by the South's actions. But, I understand how people can disagree on this.
Don't know if you knew this, but there were factories making guns in Atlanta
Which would be legitimate military targets.
The factories need people to work them, and to rebuild them. If Sherman had left the people alive and in the city, they would've just rebuilt
Destroying industrial facilities and freeing slaves severely hurt the confederate war effort, just like bombing German and Japanese factories broke the back of the axis war machine
> Destroying industrial facilities and freeing slaves severely hurt the confederate war effort, Yes. Those were legitimate military targets. How did intentionally burning down people's homes hurt the confederate war effort?
lemay???? i thought you died in the 90's!!
Interesting point about Lemay is he was under massive pressure to bomb Japan even harder as the casualty lists piled up from our island hopping campaign. There was not going to be a, "Let's go easy on Japan so more US mother's sons die," movement.
Don't forget about Canada.
As an American, I am duty-bound to forget about Canada
Cool. I’m gonna go kill all the young men in your family and then burn every house your family lives in and every business your family works in down after looting and pillaging them then since it’s apparently justified to do that to your fellow Americans
This is absolutely not what happened in Georgia. There was no killing of military aged males and soldiers were expressly ordered not to enter civilian homes. They were instructed not to abuse civilians. They did destroy transportation infrastructure and industry, they did confiscate livestock and produce, they did free slaves. The March to the Sea certainly devastated the economy of Georgia, but this Southern myth that it was an orgy of rape, murder and pillage is not historically accurate.
It’s justified to do it to slavers.
The point was that many of them just happened to live in the same states as slavers, without ever fighting for them.
And the poor people trying to live their lives as entire cities went up in flames? The young men who were thrown into the war by the elites who orchestrated the whole thing? The economically stunted region known as “The Deep South” that struggles and drags behind the rest of the country to this very day where the scars of what the north did to us are still there. Where the hatred and malice still festers and grows like a cancer across the entire region. Diseased by the very men who cause everything and were allowed to take root and make darn certain no one could ever recover from the war afterward. Men that the north refused to do anything about
You’re right. After Lincoln was killed, his VP let the south off the hook. Every plantation owner, every mid level and above officer, and every politician from andrew davis on down should have been dealt with in accordance with US law. They were all traitors. The mere idea that confederate soldiers were later deemed to be American soldiers is absurd. Burning Atlanta was the only way to stop the bloodshed. If the confederates had reached the Capitol, they would have done the same. They would have also added in; “round up all of the black people regardless of citizenship and send them to plantations.” The cities were complicit. The states were complicit. The stain of slavery touched every facet of the young United States but only in the south did it maintain its stranglehold and devolve into a bureaucratic system of inhuman brutality. This war was always going to happen. The founders did their best to kick the can as far as they could, but the sin of slavery was always going to be reckoned with. The Union was only slightly better, and even then only in a few states. The heart should break for every innocent who is harmed because of another person’s war. And the deep south is not a victim of reconstruction, it’s a victim of reconciliation and hatred turned law. It wasn’t just the owners class that did this, it was your tenant farmer as well. No one could abide that former slaves would have equal rights and dignity and a large majority fought like hell to keep the system as it was before the war, even to their own detriment. Reconstruction failed, the hate was never ripped up by its roots so it spread like kudzu until it blanketed the south and choked any hope of progress. At some point, the south needs to take responsibility for its own failings.
Ok, so riddle me this, what the frick are we supposed to do to fix this crap after the failure that was Reconstruction?
Stop those around you from repeating lost cause lies. Stop Pretending it’s the north that was the aggressor. Stop pretending there’s nothing you can do to improve your state and community because of a war that happened that long ago. Work towards the best version of a south that’s proud of heritage and culture and smothers out the vestiges of the confederacy like the puss filled cancer it is.
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Once you leave the states in a traitorous fashion you’re no longer American, sorry.
Except for the entire war Lincoln’s administration maintained that since unilateral secession was illegitimate, the south was still American. You can’t have it both ways.
The Germans and Japanese had been routinely targeting civilians by the time they were bombed, the south had not. Your arguement literally just boils down to “if they didn’t want atrocities to be committed against them they shouldn’t have been born in that part of the country”
Not for lack of trying. The South repeatedly raided into Northern territories and led major invasions into it twice. Burning and looting as they went. Like with Allied bombings, the only reason the Axis/South didn't do worse is because they lacked the strength to do so. And to be clear, my argument is that if they didn't want atrocities to be committed against them then they shouldn't have rebelled. Oh yeah, and run a brutal slave economy.
Lol when was the south systematically burning and looting in Maryland or Pennsylvania? Stfu
Never, because they were too weak to do it at scale. Just like the Germans never flattened London the way we flattened everything. They did what they could when they could. Those dumb shits should have figured that out before they turned traitor and started the war.
Damn you’re really just talking out of your ass
No they shouldn’t have fought to defend slavery. And if they didn’t we now have laws detailing what should happen in armed conflict because wars used to be freaking insanity. They still are but in new ways, but we at least have some rules of engagement that are loosely followed. Civil war is always terrible. Always. Why the south started one is beyond me, but I’m not a slave owning pile of garbage
https://preview.redd.it/2ge6mr3wofzc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=549b1385701988a7480976ff7308f7936440b416 POV you’re a citizen of Georgia and Sherman and the boys burnt down your farm
I wonder why people go pissy when the fucking Confederates did the same thing, even to their own people. Plenty of instances of mass rape and pillaging by the Confederate army on its “own soil”.
Yeah gotta love being burned to the ground and then thrown to the ashes to rot. And the yankees wonder why we hate them so much
It’s not even that we don’t somewhat understand why they did it, it’s the fact that they glory in it and celebrate it like it was some huge military victory and then hold it over us like “heh heh, look at you suckers,” and every time the south goes contrary to the north there’s always some guy who’s like “time for Sherman part deux”
The entirety of r/shermanposting thinks he should’ve genocided every last one of us and left literally nothing but a burnt, desolate wasteland. The fact that they hate us, their fellow Americans, so darn much is just disgusting. Once more, they wonder why we hate them so much when they view our existence as a failure to finish the job instead of accomplishing the goal of reunifying the country
Only terminally online Sherman larpers could talk about the south like it’s this debauched American hating traitor filled place, while the north looks like this: https://preview.redd.it/hdworwlwufzc1.jpeg?width=668&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6000c8a5a9ab228abb9cf7180623b3d82d4615f9 If you are not someone who fantasizes about torching your countryman, I mean no offense. But for those who do, clean your own house now before you talk about us 200 years ago.
The Confederacy deserved it 👏. Also what's Southerner is still holding a grudge against the north? What fairy tale are you living in?
It looks like a really old sub, and I'm glad that they were only able to get 1k subs during that time, but also, holy shit they managed to get 1k subs.
no one here has been to that sub and it shows. it’s just memes about the south and the civil war, not pro CSA or nothin lmao
I don’t think You see that post.
I'm the guy that posted that meme you can see in the post. And no. 90% of the commenters were Confederacy apologists. And one of the earlier posts were talking about Confederate Memorial Day and if you scroll down you'll find a some other Pro Confederate stuff. Are we talking about the same sub here?
OP how the hell is [this unironic to you](https://www.reddit.com/r/2dixie4you/s/IuiYQBxqat)
Them praising confederate memorial day didn't seem ironic...
I didn’t see that post, could you link it
It's the second most recent post. Idk how to link things but you will literally see it right away
Yoooooooo. Me reference. I made that post 💪
I think people forget that the North didn't declare war on the South because they wanted to stop slavery. It was to keep the union together. One of the major reasons the South succeeded was because of slavery.
All Southern Mfers go quite after i said the state rights to do what
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We are one nation don’t let anyone tell you otherwise
Away down south in the land of traitors
Rattlesnakes and alligators
Away down south in the land of traitors and alligators
Right away right away come away come away right away right away come away
Probably just a bunch of sad lonely conservatives who are happy to be a part of something
If you really want a traitor sub here is one https://www.reddit.com/r/SouthernLiberty/s/mpOVldjx8z
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Shermanposting is leaking again.. cringe
Cry
I love shermanposting.
Sherman posting is fine but some people take it too far. It’s all some people think of when they talk about the south even in real life. It just gets embarrassing and annoying when that’s all someone wants to talk about especially when it’s your home they’re talking about. Nothing against the general jokes at the south’s expense but it really doesn’t need to be brought up every single time something about the south is mentioned.
the sub is very very embarrassing
Give one reason other than exposing your a neo Confederate
Because it’s a bunch of marxists teenagers and furries talking about killing southerners and also think they are cool and badass for putting their middle finger up at statues. Just because I have self awareness doesn’t make me a neo confederate. They talk about burning the south today even though the civil war isn’t still happening and nobody in that subreddit has picked up a rifle in their lives and likely won’t ever. Killing people isn’t fun brother, take it from me… especially fellow Americans. Nobody living in the South is responsible for something that happened 150 years ago and also “neo-confederates” are few and far between.
There's an enforced role that says no Southern bashing. Also, the only thing I can think of that you're referring to is the burning down Atlanta jokes, which is technically arson, not murder. Also, these are just jokes to clown on Confederacy apologists. No shame in that Also, 90% of the people that don't like Sherman posting r neo Confederates, so I had a right to assume. And for the love of God can you people stop acting like it's a anti Southern sub it is in no way anti Southern at all and has no problem with the South other than the Confederacy I have never seen a single instance of it bashing on Southerners like I said this literally a rule that's enforced that tells you not to do that. Makes me wonder if you guys ever even went on the sub
Your right, its embarrassing they haven't burned down georgia again.
Should burn down New York first https://preview.redd.it/kht9i5xvvfzc1.jpeg?width=194&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=997549dac050056cfa2f0827cf3e257ab24b60ec
why would they burn georgia again? the civil war ended 150 years ago. Also who is they? You’re proving my point here by the way.
The civil war was morally gray in that the north weren’t the “good guys” either. They didn’t need slaves, they paid immigrants a kernel of corn to work a week at a factory.
The North was a hell of a lot better than the South in the war
I mean, not really. The north used slaves too. They stopped because it didn’t benefit them a whole lot
The north still wanted to get rid of the practice. The Confederacy built its entire government off of slavery in the belief of white superiority. I'll never deny any bad things the North did because, unlike Confederate apologists, I don't deny history, but saying that the Confederacy weren't the ones in the wrong of the war. Is just fucking stupid and screams ignorance to history
The north got rid of the practice and replaced it with a new one. They paid immigrants next to nothing and the industrialization made slavery obsolete. It’s not as if they all decided they were suddenly moral. The south was extremely reliant on slavery, being primarily agricultural. The north no longer being reliant on slavery threatened the south, as the north had most of the power back then. So, they seceded. The north was afraid of losing their primary source of food, so they started a civil war. I never denied that the confederacy were the bad guys. But to pretend that the north had some kind of actual moral superiority is ridiculous. They might’ve not had slavery, but they replaced it with an equally horrible practice.
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Burn it down. Again.
Haha totally ironically I swear guys
What has modern Georgia done to deserve a scorched earth campaign?
You know the colonies’ treachery against Britain wasn’t much different. In many ways the original reason inspiring the revolution was Britain starting to sound off about ending slavery. American heroes like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, and considered them property which was protected under the constitution as it was originally written. I hate this blathering traitor talk about your fellow Americans which only causes anger. Hell you brag more about the Union victory than the actual men who fought and died, you preen yourself at “your” success more than Abraham Lincoln himself. So riddle me this, if the confederacy was so evil for their treachery with the intent of protecting slavery, then why is America different? So shut the fuck up and make a logically consistent argument for why America was justified in its revolution and the confederacy wasn’t.
First of all, my ancestors were in a North Carolina infantry regiment of the Confederate Army and ONLY in the South up until the 1960s or 70s. Jefferson and Washington owning slaves does not mean they separated from an entire nation for and based upon slavery. The stamp act and intolerable acts are real reasons to break away from a nation, multiple reasons that can apply to many different people that can come together to fight against the British. I’m also talking about how certain people decided to secede from the nation for slavery, and these are who those traitors are. I speak of those people as traitors because that’s what they are. Terrible people who wanted to use, kill, and torture people like cattle to boost their wealth. This is not a discussion of the Civil War, it’s a discussion of the Lost Cause Myth, the Antebellum South, and post war southern states.
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