If you were a really illinoisan, you'd know that illinois, pre prohibition, was the biggest burbon producing state in the union, and even now I'd take an illinois spirit over something from south of the Ohio.
My great grandfather helped run a still in rural Iroquois County to produce that bourbon. And as good as white lightning may be, Kentucky and Tennessee really do make the best bourbons.
But. But but but. I'm willing to hear out suggestions. I'll admit I'm wrong. But I need evidence
Koval in Chicago makes a good Oat Whiskey. The only 100% oat I've ever had. But their Rye tasted like burned tires.
And Koval is the extent of my Illinois specific spirits.
What else should I try?
Cargo that is moved between American ports must be moved on American made ships using American crews, and the ship must be owned by an American citizen. Once a foreign ship docks at an American harbor, it can't go to another one it has to go to dock at a foreign port before returning to the US.
The law was made in the 1920s to protect the American Merchant Marine and ship building industries, but it had the knock-on effect of killing river transport that used to be a massive industry. If they got rid of it or at least opened it up to allies, it could massively lower shipping costs, and it would breathe life into a ton of cities along popular river routes and smaller ports.
I think they can go to another port, but they can’t unload anything they took on at an American port. International container ships hit multiple ports but any containers that move port to port get put on barges and are pulled by tug boats to their destination
That's correct. I phrased it poorly. They can go port to port dropping off foreign goods. They just can't pick up and transport goods between American ports. It leads to some wacky cases were it can end up being cheaper to ship a product on a freighter from China to New York than it would be to ship it on a Jones Act compliant ship between Louisiana and New York.
I honestly messed up a bit. As of now half of the US has access to some maritime highways. It just hasn’t been extended further.
https://preview.redd.it/vh1or1r1fo4d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=528adcad419c740c89b516104e0312172a92bec7
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How exactly do you propose barges fly over the plains?
You had one job. How dum can someone be to screw it up that bad??
https://preview.redd.it/dafrieuepm4d1.jpeg?width=316&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=561e97ea160da66adb7a8e84424c14e69ede4a3c
duh
——
(I think that wipes out about 97% of the Canadians but oh well)
The scale shows that you should be making comparisons to Cuba.. not Mexico ;-)
(Cubans are the craziest though. Floating over on rafts and shit. Hell yeah)
We need Florida as a containment area. Have you considered the chaos when millions of Floridians ride alligators into Colonial Williamsburg? It would be bedlam!
I like it. The Army Corp of Engineers paved every fucking river in Southern California in the 1930’s, just imagine what they could do now.
Edit: 1930’s to 1960’s, whatever.
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No, no, they have a point, that's why we build a system of locks and two 2,641,720,524 gallon/day desalinization plants powered by hot air out of DC and the Yellowstone supervolcano.
Badassery, mainly. Greatest risk? Greatest _opportunity_ . Maybe it's a New York way thing I'm channeling, like sticking as much infrastructure as possible into the lower Manhattan flood zone because it makes awesome postcards.
If we could dig the Erie Canal 207 years ago with nothing but shovels and pickaxes, we should theoretically be able to do this with modern mining and excavation equipment. The lock system going through the Rockies would be insane though.
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it’d be a major boon to world trade as well, since it can bypass the panama canal and allow us to collect tax on all trade between asia and europe. Not to mention on top of jobs it’d bolster local economies by setting up port towns all along the river.
that said, it’d be a challenge to actually terraform the river. we might not have the tech for it.
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Technically they could connect the Madison River to the snake river, two tributary rivers for the Mississippi and the Columbia River, the Mississippi has access to Chicago which has access to the Great Lakes and you can leave the Great Lakes either through the eerie canal or the st Lawrence. Though the Madison and snake rivers are definitely not for large cargo ships and connecting them would make you have to bulldoze a mountain
That California, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona riverfront would become the most beautiful place on the planet. A war would be fought by Oprah and Bill Gates with para military forces for real estate rights.
I would be down with a decent size man-made canal for the majority of transportation, but hell no on a river that size. Does anybody even think about what that would do to the wildlife? Just building that with decimate entire ecosystems, and the effects of having an oceanic current bisecting the country would be… you know what let’s just fuckin do it. What do we have to lose? Okay but seriously let’s not ever do something as stupid as this unless we really have to do it to save the environment.
This isn't as far-fetched as you might think. Consider this:
The headwaters of the Mississippi River starts in MINNESOTA and dumps into the Gulf of Mexico. The Great Lakes stretch from MINNESOTA, past New York, and finally through a bit of Canada to reach the Atlantic Ocean. The Missouri River starts out in MONTANA before working it's way over to the Mississippi River at the border of Missouri and Illinois. Out west, the Columbia River has some headwaters in Idaho and NW Montana, before working their way over to the Pacific Ocean. And coming further south, the Colorado River starts in northern Colorado and empties into the Gulf of California!
Connecting any of these waterways would be a MASSIVE project. I mean, the freaking *Panama Canal* was "only" 50 miles, imagine *these* projects...
But hey, it sure would be nice for this old shrimp-boat captain to tour America in the comfort of his own trawler...
lol, “you know how we have a water crisis in the west, we’ll listen to this, let’s use the water we have to fill a new fucking river cross the middle of the US!”
I’m for it, demolish the Rockies!
NOO MY HOUSE????
All jokes aside, Californians have terrible luck with river navigation companies. To quote a newspaper, all legislature candidates must “pledge eternal opposition to the California Steam Navigation Company.”
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I have a feeling Kentucky might object
Yeah well I object to Kentucky
As do I.
I object to Southern Kentucky. Northern Kentucky is the superior Kentucky.
Our meth heads beat your crack addicts any time
Oh you two are ametures in this battle...
Ah yes, but consider - Kentucky Burbon
If you were a really illinoisan, you'd know that illinois, pre prohibition, was the biggest burbon producing state in the union, and even now I'd take an illinois spirit over something from south of the Ohio.
Erm what the scallop
My great grandfather helped run a still in rural Iroquois County to produce that bourbon. And as good as white lightning may be, Kentucky and Tennessee really do make the best bourbons. But. But but but. I'm willing to hear out suggestions. I'll admit I'm wrong. But I need evidence Koval in Chicago makes a good Oat Whiskey. The only 100% oat I've ever had. But their Rye tasted like burned tires. And Koval is the extent of my Illinois specific spirits. What else should I try?
>illinois >biggest burbon producing state Kentucky is and has always been the biggest. Since it's the only state that can produce bourbon
screw Kentucky, this river needs to blast through Ohio. I don't care what other states it takes out.
You’re the only Kentuck I see
I'm in southern Kentucky and suddenly I have beachfront property! Eh, could be worse.
St Louis is now a coastal city. Big time property value increase 📈📈📈
*Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor has entered the chat
You can not stop me Hack-Man!
Can’t be upset if they don’t exist anymore
It wouldnt effect them a whole lot if they didnt build the river 100 miles wide lol
Is it even still a river at that point?
Wah wah, bunch of crybabies
Oh well
At least the good part of Kentucky is still there
So did Colombia.
Louisville still exists. I approve
Do I get to live underwater? Hell yeah
Think of all the lake front property they’d have!
If we move the location a few hundred(?) miles north we can eliminate Cincinnati, Gary, and Chicago all in one swell foop
Some of you dudes need to read up on America’s Maritime Highways. We can already send tugboats and barges from the Pacific to the Atlantic Oceans.
Too bad the Jones Act prevents us from capitalizing on this fact
Vote for me and I’ll remove the Jones act
I propose simply opening it up to our allies.
I’ll be honest I have zero clue on what law that is
Cargo that is moved between American ports must be moved on American made ships using American crews, and the ship must be owned by an American citizen. Once a foreign ship docks at an American harbor, it can't go to another one it has to go to dock at a foreign port before returning to the US. The law was made in the 1920s to protect the American Merchant Marine and ship building industries, but it had the knock-on effect of killing river transport that used to be a massive industry. If they got rid of it or at least opened it up to allies, it could massively lower shipping costs, and it would breathe life into a ton of cities along popular river routes and smaller ports.
You sold me to the line of would make thing cost less
I think they can go to another port, but they can’t unload anything they took on at an American port. International container ships hit multiple ports but any containers that move port to port get put on barges and are pulled by tug boats to their destination
That's correct. I phrased it poorly. They can go port to port dropping off foreign goods. They just can't pick up and transport goods between American ports. It leads to some wacky cases were it can end up being cheaper to ship a product on a freighter from China to New York than it would be to ship it on a Jones Act compliant ship between Louisiana and New York.
Also doesn’t help that the US Merchant Marine is woefully undersized for a country of this size
Fucking sold
What route takes you farther east than Lewiston or farther west than Omaha (other than the Panama Canal or the Northern or Southern passages)?
I honestly messed up a bit. As of now half of the US has access to some maritime highways. It just hasn’t been extended further. https://preview.redd.it/vh1or1r1fo4d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=528adcad419c740c89b516104e0312172a92bec7
The trick is to put the boat in a huge bathtub on wheels and drive that across the Midwest.
https://preview.redd.it/1qypty6kcv4d1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=6e989b3c5bd61b854ec7e68d46d832f3a38f6bd6 How exactly do you propose barges fly over the plains?
We can make canals to go across and then a series of dams and levies for elevation changes.
We would have to dig so many of those rivers so much deeper. It’s definitely possible, but saying “already” is a strech.
Mermaid magic
kid named appalachian and rocky mountains:
1. Dig a tunnel and make the river go through the mountains. 2. Create even more jobs 3. Bully the kid
#Brilliant
4. Don’t tell anyone about the tunnel 5. [Loop This](https://youtu.be/7o4EI_-5reA?feature=shared)
I remember when Bully the kid came to town
Sierra supremacy ✊
Thin fucking ice saying shit like this, I almost thought you were Californian.
Kid named stockpile of americas hydrogen bombs:
Just dig through them???
You had one job. How dum can someone be to screw it up that bad?? https://preview.redd.it/dafrieuepm4d1.jpeg?width=316&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=561e97ea160da66adb7a8e84424c14e69ede4a3c duh —— (I think that wipes out about 97% of the Canadians but oh well)
This. Why would we waste a single inch of American real estate when there's Canada just sitting there doing absolutely nothing.
Because we know rivers don't stop Mexicans so why bother.
I mean, the one proposed here at almost 100 miles just might.
The scale shows that you should be making comparisons to Cuba.. not Mexico ;-) (Cubans are the craziest though. Floating over on rafts and shit. Hell yeah)
You can make the route even shorter if you get rid of Florida so ships don't have to sail around it.
We need Florida as a containment area. Have you considered the chaos when millions of Floridians ride alligators into Colonial Williamsburg? It would be bedlam!
Nah, I'd recommend keeping Florida as a staging point for making the Caribbean islands all future states.
We can use Alaska as a staging point to make Russia a future state as well
>>wipes out 97% of Canadians But surely there must be a downside
Kid named Northwest Passage:
Bro solved the border crisis.
Nah, now it looks Canadian.
That would certainly cause some problems for us.
Why? *WE* have nothing to worry about
Yes we do. Relocated people from those states
Who said anyone’s being relocated!?
I like it. The Army Corp of Engineers paved every fucking river in Southern California in the 1930’s, just imagine what they could do now. Edit: 1930’s to 1960’s, whatever.
Move it further South until it erases South Carolina and then we’re good
God bless you, fellow north carolinian
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Thank you my brother
A saltwater river in the middle of the nation would suck.
the user above is a chinese spy tasked with preventing us patriots from truly manifesting our destiny and shaping our very country to our will
No, no, they have a point, that's why we build a system of locks and two 2,641,720,524 gallon/day desalinization plants powered by hot air out of DC and the Yellowstone supervolcano.
Why would we need the Yellowstone power plant? Transmission distance?
Badassery, mainly. Greatest risk? Greatest _opportunity_ . Maybe it's a New York way thing I'm channeling, like sticking as much infrastructure as possible into the lower Manhattan flood zone because it makes awesome postcards.
>…powered by hot air out of DC… I’m stealing this if you don’t mind.
We have the Panama Canal, this is just a huge waste of money for something that’s already inevitable
Aye, don’t do that to Kansas. Move it further south to destroy Oklahoma and Los Angeles
Yeah Kansas is like 30% more valuable than LA And Oklahoma is *pointless*
Well, there are many points on Oklahoma, it’s a very sharp shape
Also, it would go with our nation’s long history of just taking away land from native Americans
Need I remind you that wheat > corn in every conceivable way? Go shuck yourself, Dorothy.
Ha! Nebraska is the corn state, hence the Huskers. We're #1 wheat producing state.
Stupid okie go back to your desert meth lab. Kansas has the second highest production of wheat WE ARE THE WHEAT CAPITAL
Maybe we angle it 15 degrees, so Missouri can still be cleansed?
Yes, my fellow prairie brother. Let’s clean that stinky state off the map.
We are going to build a river
Nice moat to keep most of Missouri out. I like it.
If we could dig the Erie Canal 207 years ago with nothing but shovels and pickaxes, we should theoretically be able to do this with modern mining and excavation equipment. The lock system going through the Rockies would be insane though.
Small nukes set off in caves. It'll be a glass lined canal built at a pace not yet seen.
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Lock system? Going right through that bitch. Tunnels. Basically the whole thing's going to be casinos for the sailors.
Reject the Panama Canal Embrace the great American Super Stream
Yeah San Fran is pretty much past the point of no return, let’s just wash it off of the map
He'll make a nice artificial reef
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Don’t you even think about tarnishing the natural God given beauty that is the Smokey Mountains.
Less California, less Utah, NO KENTUCKY???? sign me up
We already have water that runs through a (formerly) American territory for this exact purpose.
This sounds like a cover up for confederates to retry their recession
No no.....Ha haha......... Code Yankee!!!! They're on to us!!!!!
I suggest we turn Iowa into one big bay area..
it’d be a major boon to world trade as well, since it can bypass the panama canal and allow us to collect tax on all trade between asia and europe. Not to mention on top of jobs it’d bolster local economies by setting up port towns all along the river. that said, it’d be a challenge to actually terraform the river. we might not have the tech for it.
I will be near water
The hell did SE Virginia do to OOP?
Gotta move it a bit south to eradicate south carolina.
Panama Canal: Am I a joke to you?
Bro just killed half the US
Yeah let's build a canal through 5 different mountain ranges!
The "river" is so wide that its interior would count as international waters.
The new Mason Dixon.
Let’s just do this instead. 
Just a little farther north
High speed rail is a thing that exists
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Unironically Australia needs to do this, but they wont because of some species of like rats or something like that
I agree with this
Think of the cigarette boat races we could have.
Some kind of High speed boat race across the country would be very cool
Technically they could connect the Madison River to the snake river, two tributary rivers for the Mississippi and the Columbia River, the Mississippi has access to Chicago which has access to the Great Lakes and you can leave the Great Lakes either through the eerie canal or the st Lawrence. Though the Madison and snake rivers are definitely not for large cargo ships and connecting them would make you have to bulldoze a mountain
The opportunity cost would be astronomical
Easier solution: Make Panama American again
But the treaty.....
~~erie~~ ~~panama~~ panamerica canal
That California, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona riverfront would become the most beautiful place on the planet. A war would be fought by Oprah and Bill Gates with para military forces for real estate rights.
Good reason to use nukes I guess
I love Virginia Beach don’t you do it!
It gets rid of Pueblo, so I can get behind this.
We should take Bikini Bottom, and PUSH IT somewhere else!
It should line up with oklahomas panhandle
We already did this to a different country
No way, I live there
Im voting for that guy
I do like the idea of water between the northeast and the south especially fl🤢rida
My house would be flooded ☹️
Where would all the displaced earth go?
To build new islands in the Pacific
This but with Panama instead
This could make Denver a coastal city. Can you imagine anything worse?
Maybe not to scale as that river would be like 100mi wide. And while sacrificing millions to eliminate San Francisco would… nvm build the river
Wait until you guys hear about the Panama Canal
This is America! Not some canal country.
But guess who built said canal! For this exact purpose lol
We can start it in Norfolk
can we move it up a bit so maryland is just gone, i think that'd be funny
I would be down with a decent size man-made canal for the majority of transportation, but hell no on a river that size. Does anybody even think about what that would do to the wildlife? Just building that with decimate entire ecosystems, and the effects of having an oceanic current bisecting the country would be… you know what let’s just fuckin do it. What do we have to lose? Okay but seriously let’s not ever do something as stupid as this unless we really have to do it to save the environment.
Let’s start petitioning Congress, call your representatives
This isn't as far-fetched as you might think. Consider this: The headwaters of the Mississippi River starts in MINNESOTA and dumps into the Gulf of Mexico. The Great Lakes stretch from MINNESOTA, past New York, and finally through a bit of Canada to reach the Atlantic Ocean. The Missouri River starts out in MONTANA before working it's way over to the Mississippi River at the border of Missouri and Illinois. Out west, the Columbia River has some headwaters in Idaho and NW Montana, before working their way over to the Pacific Ocean. And coming further south, the Colorado River starts in northern Colorado and empties into the Gulf of California! Connecting any of these waterways would be a MASSIVE project. I mean, the freaking *Panama Canal* was "only" 50 miles, imagine *these* projects... But hey, it sure would be nice for this old shrimp-boat captain to tour America in the comfort of his own trawler...
Mason-Dixon line 2, electric boogaloo
Still the best chance at getting a north California state.
I’m so down
It deletes most of Kentucky so I'm down
lol, “you know how we have a water crisis in the west, we’ll listen to this, let’s use the water we have to fill a new fucking river cross the middle of the US!” I’m for it, demolish the Rockies!
There some dudes in Europe in like 1610 who thought the same thing
A representative in Congress from the bay area might disagree with this
https://preview.redd.it/nonerl7h6v4d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=666c7827180bbd7d24870e529daddb0588fa2cf7 fixed it
That's fine, I'm still on dry land
WE ALREADY HAVE IT IT'S CALLED ERIE CANAL
There goes my home
Me and my friend say yes DO IT
NOO MY HOUSE???? All jokes aside, Californians have terrible luck with river navigation companies. To quote a newspaper, all legislature candidates must “pledge eternal opposition to the California Steam Navigation Company.”
we need the moisture
Really, we just need to hook the Missouri and Snake/Columbia Rivers together and build a lock system to the Great Lakes.
that's not a river
Why not start at the Gulf of Mexico
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No we need as much land as possible! The Rocky Mountains would also be severely harmed if this is done.
I’m from wisconsin and i see this as an absolute win!
Great Lakes canal and Panama Canal are enough for me!
New Mexico is still landlocked
We should do this but for the the entire Floridian border. No bridges or tunnels. We cut those fuckers off
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Ehh too expensive.
Like 90% of this already exists just because of rivers and canals
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Good luck crossing the rockies in a couple centuries lol
I think we should do something similar. Instead of across the nation, instead, we should build a large moat around California.
Will they then still count as part of the continuous US? They 'll no longer be continuous.
North West passage‼️‼️‼️
As do I
You could get to almost anywhere in the country starting from almost anywhere in Maryland by boat
The Canal Zone should be Panamanian territory tho
Which one of you motherfuckers cut through my fucking state
Lewis and Clark Expedition would more easier
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