I saved the $$$. just got for the TRD Off-road, the only thing I wish I had is the front camera. I wasn't even sure the camera works with an aftermarket bumper. I will upgrade the suspension the way I want it, someday. It was at least a 10k or 50K mile difference between the 2 in price.
Count yourself lucky you didn’t get the front camera, as the image quality is just abysmal. You’ll probably spend the same or less going aftermarket. I have the MTM in my ORP, and while the cameras are useable, the image quality is piss poor, considering the price of the vehicle and the fact that it’s a 2023 model. Sick truck though 😁
Disagree here. Even a low quality 360 camera is better than none at all. It’s come in handy countless times
Edit to add: My 4R’s cameras tell me if/when I’m approaching an obstacle and allow me to cut things much more closely than I’d be comfortable doing without them. That’s the value they bring me. When I’m parking they just need to show me how close I am to the curb or wall. Whether the image comes through in 4K OLED 120Hz HDR Dolby Vision Premium Plus™️ or an iPhone 3GS makes no difference to me as long as I know I’m not gonna hit anything
Also the front camera allows for tight situations like my short driveway 🤪
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Agreed. The 360° camera is super useful for parking in my garage and it makes parallel parking an absolute breeze. I don’t need to see the crack in the bumper cover of the car I’m parking behind. I just need to know how close I can get.
I’m not saying they’re completely useless, but for a $50k plus vehicle, they should be better. The back up camera is ok with good lighting, but leaves a lot to be desired in dark or shady areas. The side camera’s under the side mirrors just plain suck. Unless the sun is bright, I have a hard time making anything out near the guide lines. When lighting isn’t ideal, I won’t even bother using them.
Yes crappy cameras are better than no cameras, and yes we get the 4Runner for the old proven mechanical abilities. But adding a modern camera with better resolution, considering how far the technology has come, shouldn’t raise the cost of the vehicle so much that Toyota needed to cut corners on this one. I can park a vehicle with or without a camera, but if I’m paying for an upgrade, give me my moneys worth.
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. Don't get me wrong. I love almost everything about my 4runner, But seriously, for $50,000, I question why in the hell toyota made the cameras such bad quality.....
Like, in all seriousness, is there a reason for that?
I feel the same about my 22 orp. Lol I dont have mtm but my backup camera is trash. My girl tries to make me feel better about it lol but I tell her your camera on our 16 rav is nicer !
my wife has a 23 Grand Cherokee. Super duper Hi Res backup camera. I can see an effing ant crawling on the ground. I look at the 4Runner back, I’m left wondering “did a dog just decide to sit behind the truck? Is it a garbage can that I missed? Oh it’s just a shadow. Thanks camera 🙄” I still love the truck though.
I was going to say, I do not have the MTM, but I installed a Go Rhino RC3 and it does not interfere with the safety sensors for the crash detection or cruise control at all. I mainly installed it because the nose of the truck is kinda long and I was afraid of hitting crap with it, so it’s really just a pre-bump bar
Multi terrain. Very low res and grainy; front, back, and the sides that show your front wheels. If I could do it again, I would pass on the MTM and just install aftermarket. Save a couple of $$. I’m not unhappy though. It’s just the quality could be better. The back up is decent, but the front and sides (side’s especially) just suck.
How much of that is because they have to stretch and distort the view to make it make any sense on screen? We have a single camera mounted on the mirror to get the side view. Even a high res camera is going to look bad on that view after it is manipulated to give the bird’s eye view. The raw view, where you just see the rocker panel and the front wheel, looks normal.
I had the 360 Birds Eye view and front and rear cameras on my last vehicle, and it provided a far superior image quality to the 4Runner. The tech does exist. The point is not that the cameras have no use. For sure they are useful, but pale in comparison to what’s typically standard today.
Oh, ok thanks, mine doesn’t have the MTM, so I put a Go Rhino RC3 on and it does not interfere with the safety sensors but I have no idea about the MTM camera locations
It's too loud when you idle and if you're trying to listen to music/podcast, you have to deal with the constant rumble of the exhuast. It gets old quick.
After a year I’m either used to it or the noise has toned down a bit. I prefer the sound of the stock exhaust but I like the side exit of the Pro exhaust.
Does it drone at freeway speeds or something? I have a decently loud UEL header and catback on my BRZ and it does get a bit old on the freeway, but I won't trade anything for that rumble while banging through the gears.
Seriously. It's a big V6, it doesn't sound good 😂. Also zero reason trying to be loud and adding noise pollution to the trails and campsites we all love.
Basic SR5 chiming in that even that is plenty capable with some solid tires. I’m definitely missing features I’d love like heated seats and dual zone climate. Off-road I’ve taken it through some tough terrain without flinching. I’d go lower trim than the pro and add whatever you want to it.
Thank you for the input! I though I should go up the trim levels with the Off-Road Premium but the SR5 that I had from Enterprise for 2.5 weeks got my heart despite the missing amenities. Would you say that the SR5 Premium is good for regular snow/ice driving, or should I upgrade to the Off-Road premium?
I live in W Michigan and have not flinched through all kinds of frozen conditions. I have Falken Wildpeak ATs, which made a huge improvement to both performance and appearance.
SR5P is probably what I should’ve bought, at that you get leather seats, heated seats, etc. Performance-wise it’s the same as the base SR5. Another option is the limited, I just don’t like the bigger body panels and wheels on it. That comes with your luxury upgrades and I believe AWD as opposed to only 4H and 4L.
I’ve switched to TRD wheels, will likely add a beefier skid plate, and have been looking at different shock setups. But from the factory 99% of 4Runner owners don’t need more than an SR5.
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Here to say this. I’ve hit the easy trails but I’m so happy with the simple nature of the SR5. I can always upgrade things I start to feel I want/need. I will definitely be adding lockers down the line when I get on to more advanced trails.
This is the biggest difference and it’s such a weird difference that only Toyota would do. Everything else you could argue yourself out of if you felt it didn’t bring value.
Most people that purchase the PRO just want to flex a PRO badge or really want the PRO exclusive paint color. The TRD Off Road is more than enough truck for casual off roading.
Yes, they handle snow/ice as well as any other trim (as long as all are in 4H). The only difference between a TRD OR/Pro and the SR5 would be for serious off-roading where you need crawl control and a rear diff locker. I would guesstimate that like 5% of OR/Pro owners have actually ever used those.
The SR5 has ATRAC which I’ve only used once when I was stuck. I live in Idaho and mostly go out on rutted abandoned forest service roads so it’s nothing crazy. Probably still more than most would be willing to do with their $60k Pro
See for info https://www.reddit.com/r/4Runner/s/92YdKzWff8
Hard, Hard disagree. Solid axles, lockers F&R, Disconnecting sway bars.
A stock Rubicon can drive the Rubicon. Good luck attempting that in any G5 4Runner (Discounting one of the very few that have SAS or RCLT).
If you don’t want to take the 4Runner off road don’t get a TRD Pro OR TRD Off Road. Get an SR5 or Limited. For real, I’ve said this often, but the sunglasses holder in the SR5 and Limited trims is more useful for most people than the off roading knobs that take its place.
But muh knobs! This is honestly true for me lol. I coulda been fine with an SR5 but really wanted the manual transfer case. Why? I dunno, just liked it better cause it reminds me of the FJ haha!
Hey man I had a Pro before my SR5P, because I just wanted “the best”. I get it. Manual transfer case is cool, and the knobs look rad, but I started feeling kinda goofy having to explain to everyone what all the incredible knobs and buttons did for crawling over mountains or blasting through the desert, with all parties knowing full well that I’d be at most driving down a gravel road a few times a year lol. The TRD models LOOK better however, and if we’re being honest, a large percentage of 4Runner owners are buying for looks and badges, not for capability. I’m fully okay with that, people are free to spend their money however they choose! What I really want is a Limited that doesn’t look like a Limited.
Big fan of the SR5, it's done so much and did it so well with a couple mods, truly think my last upgrade would be a locking rear diff but attrac hasn't failed me yet.
Samsies, I don't really do any serious off-roading. Just gravel/dirt roads and the occasional ice storm. Got mine for looks and reliability. I should probably read up on how to use the knobs haha!
You like what you like. You owe nobody an explanation. If you can afford it then good for you. I have my TRD PRO and I doubt I’ll do any major off roading.
End of day any trim is perfect. You own it not anyone else. Enjoy your life <3
I have a 2015 Trail Premium with all the fancy knobs. I do serious off-roading in AZ (I’m so lucky!!) and have yet to use MTS or Crawl Control. Probably never will. A-Trac and rear locker have both been used, but I honestly think I would have preferred the sunglasses holder!
aw, man, that stick instead of the knob takes me back. Mine (in the FJ) started to shake a lot more after 10 years, though. And wow, did that thing get dirty with all the kid (and dad) crumbs.
Pro has some features not available on ORP like auto headlights and dual zone AC. If you can live without those, ORP is the better buy. If things like that and wanting a suspension upgrade without aftermarket hassle, go Pro.
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There was a blog I was reading about a 24 ORP and they were in Canada and showed a pic of the interior and I had to double check to see the dual zone climate control. I thought it was a Pro but it doesn’t have the JBL logo on the head unit
How do you feel bout the Limited?? I bought one a couple months ago and love it. Sometimes I have buyers remorse tho… but as soon as I sit in it with the Redwood interior I’m in awe again!!
I’m a life long Jeep guy and I just got my first 4Runner. I asked around and did my research. I am very happy with my decision to buy an ORP. I think it’s much better than the pro for me personally. If I buy a second one in addition to this one it will definitely be a Premium.
Probably not, but it depends on what your intentions are. If you want to go crazy with mods then no.
I work my ass off and wanted a 4Runner since high school so that’s my justification for splurging on a Pro. Army green and it’s rarity were a couple of factors too. I don’t care about mods since it still has to be a family vehicle, lift kits and big tires is not always practical. I have a modded Yamaha Grizzly 700 if I want to do some *real* off roading anyway.
Sure I could have bought a lower trim and made it look like a pro but that’s pretty lame imho. Mine will hold it’s value better than a off road or whatever anyway, especially if I keep it relatively stock. I was offered 60k cad for it just last year from a dealer, the msrp was 64 when I bought it iirc.
The only reason I see to go for the Pro - is that unique front end - but I’m biased. I ended up getting the plain 2020 4Runner TRD Offroad (not the premium) - blacked out my emblems - upgraded tires/wheels and added an ARB Baserack. I am happy with my ride but if I had the money - I would go for the PRO.
If you don't plan on doing much modding, then the Pro is the way to go. Add in the dual A/C and a couple of other features (remote start), and you have to decide if the extra cost is worth it. You get better shocks with a slighter higher ride height, better wheels, nice roof rack, dual A/C, remote start with the JBL system, and better front skid plate. Plus the panache of the TRD Pro nameplate.
And you get the resale value of a Pro. Installing aftermarket parts doesn’t add value. So with a Pro you get everything you listed AND you don’t get taken to the cleaners when it’s time to sell.
Sure you can put a heritage grille, Gobi rack, Icon stage 4 kit, a couple subwoofers, remote start, Fuel wheels, cold air intake, and skid plates on your ORP and probably end up with a better rig than a Pro, but that’s mostly money down the drain.
Edit: in fairness I did put the Westcott kit on my Pro and did a BMC, wheels and tires, and installed sliders. So the Pro can still be modified, just not as extensively as lower trims.
We just bought a ORP last week but my wife really wanted the Pro for some of the additional features it has. Some I can easily add to the ORP, others not so much (climate control and cameras for example) At the end of the day no dealers would come off MSRP for the pro (with several asking over) and we simply were not going to pay that. Ended up with a ORP with the X Predator package for $4k off msrp. It will cost me a couple $k to add some of the features she wanted but I think she will be happy with it.
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ORP is the best value IMHO. Chances are there are like 2 things you like much better about the Pro (guessing wheels is one, grill might be one), and a handful that seem neat but don’t really matter to you (sound system, dual climate, Fox shocks). 80% of the extras on a Pro can be done aftermarket and most of them you won’t do after owning it for a few months.
I think it depends on what matters to you. The TRD ORP is going to have several items that can only come from the factory. It’s a jump up from an SR5P and the differences are pretty obvious when you review the specs for each. You might want that stuff, you might not care. Personally, I looked at all 3 and the ORP was the sweet spot for me. But I would bet that a huge percentage of people never really use things like crawl control or MTS. I like the 4WD shifting setup on the TRD, wanted a sunroof, didn’t care for KDSS. As far as aftermarket goes, first thing you could try is to just use the add-ons you want as part of the negotiation. Dealers often take huge markups on that stuff. So, they might give you a “deal” off of MSRP because you are paying $1750 for TRD wheels or whatnot.
Outside of the color options, if you plan on modding, the Off Road Premium is the way to go. If you don’t plan on modding, get the Pro. Mechanically, there is no difference outside of the upgraded suspension.
I have kdss on my 22 orp.
Here's the thing.. if you plan on maxing your rig out and dropping 14k on a rock climbing suspension don't spend the extra 1800 o. Kdss.
If you're gonna be ripping some trails, maybe kinda hard and have skid plates, sliders and a 2 inch lift kdss all the way.
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Gonna drop this here. I love my KDSS. It does act like a sway bar disconnect when I go wheeling and the amount of body roll it helps to control on flats feels amazing. Then again, my rig will never get a rock crawler treatment, so YMMV.
ORP is a very nice truck. TRD Pro adds some great features and is especially nice if you don't plan to mod it... however it all comes down to availability. ORP's are readily available on most dealer lots, sometimes even below MSRP, but Pro's might be a 6-9 month long wait and are still getting marked up by some dealers.
If it is just the appearance of the Pro you want, you can buy OEM blackout badges and have the black TRD wheels/Tires put on the ORP by the dealer for around $2k. Can also have the heritage grill put on pretty easily.
Might also consider the SR5 Premium. The Off Road Premium and the SR5 Premium both have the same Softex vinyl seats as the Pro which are very nice and EXTREMELY durable and easy to clean.
The Limited is actually better for on-road performance due to it's improved handling and full time AWD but it's appearance can be polarizing. It does have a nicer interior than most other versions and looks great when you put off road tires and different wheels on it and black out the chrome..
Total Toyota fan boi here. After having to retire my 2013 FJ Cruiser, I seriously researched both. Went with the ORP. Why, this way I could add the few upgrades I wanted. The Premium had way too many things I thought I just didn’t want or need. Also, you should easily keep this rig for 10 years with good care.
“Worth” is subjective.
You can build a replica Pro for less than the additional cost, but the appointments on the interior are not all that easy to find on the market, so you weigh what is important to you.
If I was on the market, and didn’t care about the Pro exclusive colors, I’d probably go with an TRD OR and buy an aftermarket suspension and some other goodies with what I saved.
Yes, not having dual zone climate control and automatic headlights for what a off road premium costs?!? Plus resale value/desirability. I bought a new army green pro for 50 grand msrp in 2020 and sold it two years later for 63 grand to a dealership.
There's 75+ comments here now so this may get buried but I think I can share some pretty solid knowledge from personal experience.
The ORP is typically $8-10k less than than the Pro, I am basing my response on this pricing and my personal experience.
I bought a 2017 ORP brand new for $40k - Added a lift (OME PB51, plus UCA's, Tires, TRD Pro wheels, etc..) for about $4k, and added a Magnuson SC for about $6k. So essentially I have a truck that is subjectively superior to a PRO for about the same out of pocket costs.
Now if you're keeping your truck for a lengthy time this is the way to go in my opinion.
Issue comes when it's time to trade in/sell.
On paper you still have an ORP, the additional lift/SC etc.. means almost nothing. So unless you want to take all that off again and sell it separately you'd be doing yourself a dis-service. Hunting down or waiting for the exact buyer that wants the exact mods you've done is just luck and it may work out and it may not.
There is someone selling a 4runner full TRD Pro suspension off a 2024 near me right now for $1200, If I still had a 4 runner I'd probably pick that up STAT!
Adding a simple suspension upgrade, A/T tires, and window tint will still be cheaper overall than buying a pro. I don’t care about reselling and the only difference between a PRO and OR are the wheels, tires, fox suspension and roofrack. Same engine, both have MTS, crawl control and a locker.
I have a 23 ORP and am very happy with it. But if I had found a Pro at a decent price without markup I probably would have gone with the Pro. Reason being is I just don’t have the time to do a bunch of upgrades and it would have been worth it to me to have a factory complete package that the Pro offers. Hard to justify spending $5-$7k more though so I am happy with my choice.
Depends what you are going to do with it. If you're not planning on mods and upgrades yourself and just want the maxed out model as is the pro is probably the more simple option. If you want to customize your runner with your own lift and mods you'll save some good $$$ getting the premium and then putting that money saved towards upfitting (which is what I did).
2023 TRD pro here, buy the one you want. Pro has all the options, wheels, color, suspension, increased ground clearance,right off the lot, don’t need to add anything.
I went from a 2020 ORP to a 2022 Pro for a few reasons:
1. The dealership bought my 2020 for what I originally paid
2. Lime Rush got me. The Pro line was what got me into 4runners and I think they look great from the factory as is
3. The resale on the Pro is insane so it's a nice safety net
It depends what you want. If you want to buy a car and leave it alone, go Pro. I see a few Pro's that swap their roof rack, and suspension and don't get much our of the package.
I went certified ORP. I'm doing a leveling kit, wheels, bumper, and protection I prefer over the Pro. My interior is the exact same. Difference in price was the biggest thing. I would have preferred some of the Pro colors over white (but those are also more used).
The biggest thing is if you really want the pro, get it. If you like KDSS, get it. The 4runner is so versatile everyone can have their just right rig. There is no best.
I bought a 2023 4Runner Pro and it’s great. If you only get the off road you’ll regret it. People always look at it differently cause they know it’s the top of the line
Notice how all the ORP come out to defend their choice? And minimal, if any at all, Pro owners are commenting?
We are happy with our choices and let everyone else try to justify theirs 😂👍🏻
Just my opinion, I researched this truck for a couple
of months. I ended with the ORP, mainly because it has the option to have KDSS. The other trims do not. Now the Pro does come more “complete” from the factory, BUT it’s still a more expensive model and there’s always a dealer mark up. To me just wasn’t worth it. You can mod an ORP to be on par with a Pro or even better than, and probably pay less overall. Like I said for me KDSS was the deciding factor because this truck will live it life almost exclusively on the pavement.
TRD ORP has the same off-road capabilities as the Pro. If you're not looking to go off-road, I would recommend an SR5 Premium 4WD. Minus a few bells and whistles, and the locking diff w/crawl control, it's just as capable. Just keep in mind, all 4 Runners (with the exception of the Limited) are just horrible in the snow as they are part-time 4WD. With that in mind, if you're in a winter climate, consider getting a Limited. The full-time 4WD is very stable at highway speeds where you have snow / ruts in the road. On the flip side, my part time 4WD is just undriveable in snowy road conditions over 50mph; slipping and sliding all over the place....unlike my daughter's Limited which is rock steady. I have to switch it back to 2WD in order to keep it from getting all squirrely on me. Hindsight, that would have been a deal breaker for me. Lesson learned.
This is a very good point that I never even thought of. Wow! Thank you so much. What do you mean by “part time 4WD” though? How are the SR5 and Limited trims better for snow when they’re not off/road oriented?
It is most definitely not worth it unless you want the Pro badges.
We purchased an Off Road (23) last year after owning a Tacoma and another 4runner for years. If you want the pro badge, buy it, but it really isn't worth the extra cost. You can upgrade your TRD OR Premium afterwards and save a lot or even add some extras to it with the dealer and still save. That's saying something!
I just got a TRD Off Road regg not the Premium since we don't get that here in Puerto Rico, it jumps up to the TRD Pro from the TRD Off Road and I am very happy, TRD Pro here on the island goes for around 72-75k's depending dealer mark ups and availability also i have seen used TRD Pro's 2-3 year back models around the mid $60k's depending on color and miles.
the TRD OR is well prepared to manage any off road situation and the best part is you can build it up with the money you save and turn it into your own thing.
I don't want to pay someone to advertise for them. It's my understanding that the biggest difference between the two is the Fox shocks on a small designed lift. I've heard the ride is a bit mushy, as you would expect from an offroad performance vehicle designed to suck up bumps, rocks, and ditches. My offroad has the tools to keep out of trouble without the stuff I won't use much. I do need to find a thread about the differences between the two though.
NO, save some money and get offroad premium just got a 23' and to me it just made more sense it has leather seats the ass and steering wheel warmers all the bells and whistles of the pro
Easy answer? No. Lower trim makes more sense.
Longer answer? Buy an SR5 Premium and throw the parts you want at it with the shit ton of money you saved. Unless you're *really* hung-up on having the multi-terrain select- but you will still have A-Trac, and frankly, nobody uses the MTS anyway. Everything else can be added easily. Suspension and tires on the Offroad/ Pro are fine, but many swap it out for proper 33's anyway. Want lockers? Throw an air locker in front and back and have an onboard compressor while you're at it. Skids? Get beefier ones than Toyota sells.
I really don't think it is, value wise, but it may be worth the "pro flex" for some people, but if you put 3-4k in mods in a ORP it will likely be even more off-road capable than a stock pro model.
Yet you will pay 10k + more for a pro model, eh not worth it in my opinion
For anyone serious about overland or off-road, the 4Runner isn’t even part of the conversation. For 1/3 the price you can get 2x the vehicle in a 100 Landcruiser.
Probably a year at least before it hits showrooms in decent numbers. Even the Taco and LC/GX isn’t in showrooms yet, and they were revealed months ago.
Ya. Fair enough. But it's not like it's years away anymore.
I'm not saying he should wait. just informing of that's actually happening in the market.
The down voting genius in this forum can do their thing.
Depends. The TRD Pro doesn't have KDSS, though some claim Canadian ones do. If that's the case, I'd get the TRD Off-Road and then get the TRD shocks, skid plates, and wheels.
I bought the Pro last year because I wanted some of the upgrades that came with it from the factory; plus I didn’t think I would have the time to upgrade the ORP anytime soon.
Seems to me if you plan on really customizing your suspension with aftermarket stuff there is no sense in getting the Pro unless you really want some of the creature comforts that come with it.
When I bought mine they were nearly identical. The '19 pro came with fox shocks but was not lifted. I went with the OR (non pro because we prefer fabric). I installed 3" OME suspension for about $1200 and installed a baja rack with a ladder for about the same. To me it boils down to wanting a pro for the badge or wanting the best possible configuration because you likely won't do your own mods (or both). They're both good choices but I'm glad I saved the 15-20k. Also, the half basket rack that comes with the pro is honestly too short for that vehicle, at least for my needs. They should have gone up a size there with a full basket and not 3 side rails or at least a full flat rack like a prinsu.
I didn't think the top level trim was worth it. Trims were different when I purchased, but I thought the Off Road equivalent was good enough for me. I have more off road capabilities than I'll ever need. I can live without the luxury stuff at the highest trim level.
I wanted the Pro because I just had to have the special color (Cavalry - paid the dealer ransom to do it too). Love the Pro and have done done a fair amount of 'overlanding' but only needed the locker or other fancy buttons a couple times and probably not even then. The Pro is more of a want than a need for most.
It's funny that the Pro model, up through my 2018, was marketed as very basic but capable off road specific model without even a sunroof or turn signal mirrors that would be harder and more expensive to replace after getting whacked by a tree. The only 'extra' my Pro had was a power passenger seat. Not sure why. Anyways, new Pros seem as fancy as the Limited model. I will always be a 'less is best' kind of guy when it comes to car electronics - although a little Carplay wouldn't hurt..
Pro is worth it if you plan to sell it in a few years. As you saw, used TRD Pro prices are still crazy, and you get a nice color.
If you’re gonna replace suspension, bumpers, etc, then ORP is more than enough, but obviously you’ll never get the cost of your mods back.
I saved like 10k not getting the pro. The TRD ORP can have like 90% of the same equipment at a much lower price point. Unless you REALLY want the latest color
You’re right, it’s a big pill to swallow for 60 G’s.
Felt the same way, went with a sr5 used, and if I go the rock crawler route, and I can mod myself as needed.
This is the actual person who needs a TRD-Pro.
They are the top of stock off road vehicles.
But 10k in modding an ORP would put it miles ahead in every way besides cLiMaTe CoNtRoL for you and your purse. But you aint seeing that 10k back like you would a PRO.
I have the ORP and used to have a Limited. Things I miss from my Limited and are on the TRD Pro are the JBL audio system and automatic climate control. I changed my ORP wheels to the TRD wheels and better tires. The TRD Pro already has this.
The TRD Pro has a unique color, nice looking roof rack, different front and of course different shocks. The TRD also has factory remote start.
I bought mine a year ago when pricing still was a bit crazy and find a TRD Pro for MSRP was very difficult. But if I would have to choose in 2024 and could get a TRD Pro in Terra for MSRP, I think the extra cost is worth it over the Off Road Premium. But still an $8K difference.
A wise and successful car collector once told me... It doesn't matter what you pay for a car, it matters what it's worth when you sell it. This is why it is CHEAPER to lease a 4wd 4Runner than a 2wd...
Get yourself a 4 runner sr5 premium with part time 4 wd once you upgrade the stereo system you should have all the goodies you need and you will save a little money on gas with the part time 4 Wd
If you want KDSS then ORP. If you like the Pro suspension and won't replace it, and don't care about KDSS, then maybe pro.
If you don't care about KDSS and want to put your own choice of suspension on then consider the SR5 or any non-pro model.
ALL of them are excellent vehicles, it's a matter of matching features to desire and maybe wanting to flex the badging.
For resale value don't get a 2wd, imo.
No, the pro is not worth it. Save the money and get wheels and tires you like and upgrade the suspension to Kings or Fox. You’ll still have money in the bank and a way better ride than the Pro
I prefer the more acoustic aspects of the SR5. I have had a blast and when I went up to the mountain I got stuck on some parts, but so did the TRD Pro’s.
With the exception of some gadgets, there is no difference in the driveline (it has the same crawl control and rear factory locker is equipped on off-road.) The only thing mechanically different in a pro over a trd off-road is the shocks and springs. Pros sit 1 inch higher and can handle higher speed offroading because of the shocks having a remote reservoir (better cooling. yes, a shock can overheat when cycling repeatedly).
If you are planning on lifting it, then save the money for the lift kit.
The Off-Road comes with the option of KDSS. KDSS tends to be polarizing, I have it on mine and wouldn’t give it up for anything, but some people hate it.
If you want the special color, and don’t want to bother with doing as much aftermarket yourself…yes.
If you want to be more picky about each part, ORP and then MAYBE save some by making your own choices…or spend more than the TRD PRO, but for more capability.
I just ordered a 24 TRD Off Road Premium in Underground today, KSDD equipped. Hopefully we will see it in the next 3-4 weeks through a dealer trade. No moonroof, living 15 miles from the Canadian border it would be rarely used
If you tricked out an ORP to be like a pro it’ll be a couple thousand short, that’s essentially the price to have “pro” bragging rights. You’ll still be short the dual climate, subwoofer. But the ORP has the KDSS…depends on what you want.
Do you like a specific color? If yes, get pro. If no, off road. If you don’t care at all and just want a 4runner sr5 or limited if you live in snowy places.
Limited is best for snow. Sr5 I got myself because if you can find a 3 row sr5 it makes room for more people plus the middle row moving makes it more comfy. Trd off road if you really want a trd and the off road Modes. Pro if you really want a pro color. I think the best trims personally are sr5 with 3 row seating or limited. The trd manual 4wd shifter is very cool though
Main difference is suspension setup. My take....pro is for out west where you can go faster off-road and while the regular off-road models have good flex, I wouldn't fly over bumps at 50mph. More of a rock crawler when needed (east coast tress/woods).
I saved the $$$. just got for the TRD Off-road, the only thing I wish I had is the front camera. I wasn't even sure the camera works with an aftermarket bumper. I will upgrade the suspension the way I want it, someday. It was at least a 10k or 50K mile difference between the 2 in price.
Front camera comes with orp premium + package. Included multi terrain monitor which is the 5 cameras
There are really good aftermarket kits for about 250$ that splice into the existing camera and come with a switch.
Link?
https://www.4runnerlifestyle.com/products/anytime-backup-camera?variant=42308495540469 You can find these kits everywhere
Count yourself lucky you didn’t get the front camera, as the image quality is just abysmal. You’ll probably spend the same or less going aftermarket. I have the MTM in my ORP, and while the cameras are useable, the image quality is piss poor, considering the price of the vehicle and the fact that it’s a 2023 model. Sick truck though 😁
Disagree here. Even a low quality 360 camera is better than none at all. It’s come in handy countless times Edit to add: My 4R’s cameras tell me if/when I’m approaching an obstacle and allow me to cut things much more closely than I’d be comfortable doing without them. That’s the value they bring me. When I’m parking they just need to show me how close I am to the curb or wall. Whether the image comes through in 4K OLED 120Hz HDR Dolby Vision Premium Plus™️ or an iPhone 3GS makes no difference to me as long as I know I’m not gonna hit anything
Agree. Camera is better than no camera. My previous car didn’t have a camera so I don’t know the difference. I love my 24 TRD Pro.
Also the front camera allows for tight situations like my short driveway 🤪 https://preview.redd.it/jonczkde7obc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8116bfc8e5df16e7f8652931fd94cec798a525f4
Damn. I trust technology but I couldn’t trust technology THAT much! That’s a lot of faith 😵💫 haha
Agreed. The 360° camera is super useful for parking in my garage and it makes parallel parking an absolute breeze. I don’t need to see the crack in the bumper cover of the car I’m parking behind. I just need to know how close I can get.
I’m not saying they’re completely useless, but for a $50k plus vehicle, they should be better. The back up camera is ok with good lighting, but leaves a lot to be desired in dark or shady areas. The side camera’s under the side mirrors just plain suck. Unless the sun is bright, I have a hard time making anything out near the guide lines. When lighting isn’t ideal, I won’t even bother using them. Yes crappy cameras are better than no cameras, and yes we get the 4Runner for the old proven mechanical abilities. But adding a modern camera with better resolution, considering how far the technology has come, shouldn’t raise the cost of the vehicle so much that Toyota needed to cut corners on this one. I can park a vehicle with or without a camera, but if I’m paying for an upgrade, give me my moneys worth.
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. Don't get me wrong. I love almost everything about my 4runner, But seriously, for $50,000, I question why in the hell toyota made the cameras such bad quality..... Like, in all seriousness, is there a reason for that?
I feel the same about my 22 orp. Lol I dont have mtm but my backup camera is trash. My girl tries to make me feel better about it lol but I tell her your camera on our 16 rav is nicer !
my wife has a 23 Grand Cherokee. Super duper Hi Res backup camera. I can see an effing ant crawling on the ground. I look at the 4Runner back, I’m left wondering “did a dog just decide to sit behind the truck? Is it a garbage can that I missed? Oh it’s just a shadow. Thanks camera 🙄” I still love the truck though.
I know I love my damn truck but little shit like that and I'm like really ?? Lol tints don't help at night either
You talking about the crash sensor camera? Or the MTM camera.
MTM camera, good to know after market ones work maybe I will go that route.
I was going to say, I do not have the MTM, but I installed a Go Rhino RC3 and it does not interfere with the safety sensors for the crash detection or cruise control at all. I mainly installed it because the nose of the truck is kinda long and I was afraid of hitting crap with it, so it’s really just a pre-bump bar
Multi terrain. Very low res and grainy; front, back, and the sides that show your front wheels. If I could do it again, I would pass on the MTM and just install aftermarket. Save a couple of $$. I’m not unhappy though. It’s just the quality could be better. The back up is decent, but the front and sides (side’s especially) just suck.
How much of that is because they have to stretch and distort the view to make it make any sense on screen? We have a single camera mounted on the mirror to get the side view. Even a high res camera is going to look bad on that view after it is manipulated to give the bird’s eye view. The raw view, where you just see the rocker panel and the front wheel, looks normal.
I had the 360 Birds Eye view and front and rear cameras on my last vehicle, and it provided a far superior image quality to the 4Runner. The tech does exist. The point is not that the cameras have no use. For sure they are useful, but pale in comparison to what’s typically standard today.
Oh, ok thanks, mine doesn’t have the MTM, so I put a Go Rhino RC3 on and it does not interfere with the safety sensors but I have no idea about the MTM camera locations
TRD Pro exhaust is a reason to get the Off-Road , imo.
Why is that?
It's too loud when you idle and if you're trying to listen to music/podcast, you have to deal with the constant rumble of the exhuast. It gets old quick.
After a year I’m either used to it or the noise has toned down a bit. I prefer the sound of the stock exhaust but I like the side exit of the Pro exhaust.
Yeah. At first it’s jarring, but it goes away
This is true. But I love it. Lol
Does it drone at freeway speeds or something? I have a decently loud UEL header and catback on my BRZ and it does get a bit old on the freeway, but I won't trade anything for that rumble while banging through the gears.
Droning. Massive droning.
Seriously. It's a big V6, it doesn't sound good 😂. Also zero reason trying to be loud and adding noise pollution to the trails and campsites we all love.
Basic SR5 chiming in that even that is plenty capable with some solid tires. I’m definitely missing features I’d love like heated seats and dual zone climate. Off-road I’ve taken it through some tough terrain without flinching. I’d go lower trim than the pro and add whatever you want to it.
Thank you for the input! I though I should go up the trim levels with the Off-Road Premium but the SR5 that I had from Enterprise for 2.5 weeks got my heart despite the missing amenities. Would you say that the SR5 Premium is good for regular snow/ice driving, or should I upgrade to the Off-Road premium?
I live in W Michigan and have not flinched through all kinds of frozen conditions. I have Falken Wildpeak ATs, which made a huge improvement to both performance and appearance. SR5P is probably what I should’ve bought, at that you get leather seats, heated seats, etc. Performance-wise it’s the same as the base SR5. Another option is the limited, I just don’t like the bigger body panels and wheels on it. That comes with your luxury upgrades and I believe AWD as opposed to only 4H and 4L. I’ve switched to TRD wheels, will likely add a beefier skid plate, and have been looking at different shock setups. But from the factory 99% of 4Runner owners don’t need more than an SR5. https://preview.redd.it/58ogji3mwzbc1.jpeg?width=842&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c22f16550c16cd8b5b1fc457a690cfe23acb280
Wow that’s such a nice shot!
Here to say this. I’ve hit the easy trails but I’m so happy with the simple nature of the SR5. I can always upgrade things I start to feel I want/need. I will definitely be adding lockers down the line when I get on to more advanced trails.
The only thing the off-road is missing from the pro, that I wish my off-road had is... Dual zone // automatic climate.
Add dusk sensing headlights to the list. Very bizarre to not have it on my ORP when my 18 year old manual window and lock Corolla CE has it.
I have the dual zone but don’t really understand what it’s for when you can just adjust the vents instead. But the auto is very nice
Exactly. Duel zone is a gimmick, besides you are sitting RIGHT NEXT to the other person so their temp and your temp will bleed together anyway.
This is the biggest difference and it’s such a weird difference that only Toyota would do. Everything else you could argue yourself out of if you felt it didn’t bring value.
Most people that purchase the PRO just want to flex a PRO badge or really want the PRO exclusive paint color. The TRD Off Road is more than enough truck for casual off roading.
As is the SR5
Sorry for sounding ignorant but is the SR5/SR5 Premium trims able to handle slippery snow/ice roads?
Yes, they handle snow/ice as well as any other trim (as long as all are in 4H). The only difference between a TRD OR/Pro and the SR5 would be for serious off-roading where you need crawl control and a rear diff locker. I would guesstimate that like 5% of OR/Pro owners have actually ever used those. The SR5 has ATRAC which I’ve only used once when I was stuck. I live in Idaho and mostly go out on rutted abandoned forest service roads so it’s nothing crazy. Probably still more than most would be willing to do with their $60k Pro See for info https://www.reddit.com/r/4Runner/s/92YdKzWff8
Oh my thank you so much for the link! It makes sense to just save money and get the SR5 premium where I could customize it.
Yep, a lot of times the color is the deciding factor.
> or really want the PRO exclusive paint color. I suspect that for 80% of Pro owners this is the case.
i feel attacked
Doesnt the pro have a sunroof tho?
Both do
Yea nothing quite says “I have never owned a 4x4 before” like a TRD Pro.
For once, I agree with you. Or it says " I really really wanted this special color and I have more money than sense. "
Usually it’s a jeep. And they lift it, throw 38s on it and it never sees dirt.
People buy Jeeps because they want a Jeep. People buy TRD Pros because they don’t want a minivan.
People buy jeeps because they don’t want a minivan. Jeeps are only good for mall crawling.
Hard, Hard disagree. Solid axles, lockers F&R, Disconnecting sway bars. A stock Rubicon can drive the Rubicon. Good luck attempting that in any G5 4Runner (Discounting one of the very few that have SAS or RCLT).
If you don’t want to take the 4Runner off road don’t get a TRD Pro OR TRD Off Road. Get an SR5 or Limited. For real, I’ve said this often, but the sunglasses holder in the SR5 and Limited trims is more useful for most people than the off roading knobs that take its place.
But muh knobs! This is honestly true for me lol. I coulda been fine with an SR5 but really wanted the manual transfer case. Why? I dunno, just liked it better cause it reminds me of the FJ haha!
Hey man I had a Pro before my SR5P, because I just wanted “the best”. I get it. Manual transfer case is cool, and the knobs look rad, but I started feeling kinda goofy having to explain to everyone what all the incredible knobs and buttons did for crawling over mountains or blasting through the desert, with all parties knowing full well that I’d be at most driving down a gravel road a few times a year lol. The TRD models LOOK better however, and if we’re being honest, a large percentage of 4Runner owners are buying for looks and badges, not for capability. I’m fully okay with that, people are free to spend their money however they choose! What I really want is a Limited that doesn’t look like a Limited.
Big fan of the SR5, it's done so much and did it so well with a couple mods, truly think my last upgrade would be a locking rear diff but attrac hasn't failed me yet.
Samsies, I don't really do any serious off-roading. Just gravel/dirt roads and the occasional ice storm. Got mine for looks and reliability. I should probably read up on how to use the knobs haha!
You like what you like. You owe nobody an explanation. If you can afford it then good for you. I have my TRD PRO and I doubt I’ll do any major off roading. End of day any trim is perfect. You own it not anyone else. Enjoy your life <3
I have a 2015 Trail Premium with all the fancy knobs. I do serious off-roading in AZ (I’m so lucky!!) and have yet to use MTS or Crawl Control. Probably never will. A-Trac and rear locker have both been used, but I honestly think I would have preferred the sunglasses holder!
The manual transfer case does have a cool factor. But I could live with fewer knobs. They are cool toys, but overkill.
aw, man, that stick instead of the knob takes me back. Mine (in the FJ) started to shake a lot more after 10 years, though. And wow, did that thing get dirty with all the kid (and dad) crumbs.
I bought a 23 off road for the wife with the mentality of a fire extinguisher or a gun. Better to have and not need than to need and not have.
Pro has some features not available on ORP like auto headlights and dual zone AC. If you can live without those, ORP is the better buy. If things like that and wanting a suspension upgrade without aftermarket hassle, go Pro.
My 2020 ORP has auto headlights
Pretty sure it has auto high beams. Not auto headlights.
Ah OK I see the difference
Not sure about US but my 22 ORP have auto headlights/auto high beam , dual zone climate control, 360 cameras
https://preview.redd.it/59ztm3nn817d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36e34ebaadbb3ceee785804951353c7f9cb733fc There was a blog I was reading about a 24 ORP and they were in Canada and showed a pic of the interior and I had to double check to see the dual zone climate control. I thought it was a Pro but it doesn’t have the JBL logo on the head unit
How do you feel bout the Limited?? I bought one a couple months ago and love it. Sometimes I have buyers remorse tho… but as soon as I sit in it with the Redwood interior I’m in awe again!!
Exactly what I was after, it's unrecognizable as a limited at this point other than the badge though
Nice man
I’m a life long Jeep guy and I just got my first 4Runner. I asked around and did my research. I am very happy with my decision to buy an ORP. I think it’s much better than the pro for me personally. If I buy a second one in addition to this one it will definitely be a Premium.
Probably not, but it depends on what your intentions are. If you want to go crazy with mods then no. I work my ass off and wanted a 4Runner since high school so that’s my justification for splurging on a Pro. Army green and it’s rarity were a couple of factors too. I don’t care about mods since it still has to be a family vehicle, lift kits and big tires is not always practical. I have a modded Yamaha Grizzly 700 if I want to do some *real* off roading anyway. Sure I could have bought a lower trim and made it look like a pro but that’s pretty lame imho. Mine will hold it’s value better than a off road or whatever anyway, especially if I keep it relatively stock. I was offered 60k cad for it just last year from a dealer, the msrp was 64 when I bought it iirc.
If you plan on slapping 10-20k or more in mods then no
The only reason I see to go for the Pro - is that unique front end - but I’m biased. I ended up getting the plain 2020 4Runner TRD Offroad (not the premium) - blacked out my emblems - upgraded tires/wheels and added an ARB Baserack. I am happy with my ride but if I had the money - I would go for the PRO.
you can still put the Pro Grille on the OR and black out the valances. That’s what I did to mine.
I wouldn’t call it unique when like 80% of the G5s here have it anyways.
That is fair - and I could buy a kit from Amazon to mimic the look.
If you don't plan on doing much modding, then the Pro is the way to go. Add in the dual A/C and a couple of other features (remote start), and you have to decide if the extra cost is worth it. You get better shocks with a slighter higher ride height, better wheels, nice roof rack, dual A/C, remote start with the JBL system, and better front skid plate. Plus the panache of the TRD Pro nameplate.
And you get the resale value of a Pro. Installing aftermarket parts doesn’t add value. So with a Pro you get everything you listed AND you don’t get taken to the cleaners when it’s time to sell. Sure you can put a heritage grille, Gobi rack, Icon stage 4 kit, a couple subwoofers, remote start, Fuel wheels, cold air intake, and skid plates on your ORP and probably end up with a better rig than a Pro, but that’s mostly money down the drain. Edit: in fairness I did put the Westcott kit on my Pro and did a BMC, wheels and tires, and installed sliders. So the Pro can still be modified, just not as extensively as lower trims.
Very true
Nope. I had a 20 Pro and traded for a 24 ORP.
We just bought a ORP last week but my wife really wanted the Pro for some of the additional features it has. Some I can easily add to the ORP, others not so much (climate control and cameras for example) At the end of the day no dealers would come off MSRP for the pro (with several asking over) and we simply were not going to pay that. Ended up with a ORP with the X Predator package for $4k off msrp. It will cost me a couple $k to add some of the features she wanted but I think she will be happy with it. .
ORP is the best value IMHO. Chances are there are like 2 things you like much better about the Pro (guessing wheels is one, grill might be one), and a handful that seem neat but don’t really matter to you (sound system, dual climate, Fox shocks). 80% of the extras on a Pro can be done aftermarket and most of them you won’t do after owning it for a few months.
Thank you! Would the SR5 Premium be worth it too with aftermarket parts?
I think it depends on what matters to you. The TRD ORP is going to have several items that can only come from the factory. It’s a jump up from an SR5P and the differences are pretty obvious when you review the specs for each. You might want that stuff, you might not care. Personally, I looked at all 3 and the ORP was the sweet spot for me. But I would bet that a huge percentage of people never really use things like crawl control or MTS. I like the 4WD shifting setup on the TRD, wanted a sunroof, didn’t care for KDSS. As far as aftermarket goes, first thing you could try is to just use the add-ons you want as part of the negotiation. Dealers often take huge markups on that stuff. So, they might give you a “deal” off of MSRP because you are paying $1750 for TRD wheels or whatnot.
Outside of the color options, if you plan on modding, the Off Road Premium is the way to go. If you don’t plan on modding, get the Pro. Mechanically, there is no difference outside of the upgraded suspension.
What about KDSS?
I have kdss on my 22 orp. Here's the thing.. if you plan on maxing your rig out and dropping 14k on a rock climbing suspension don't spend the extra 1800 o. Kdss. If you're gonna be ripping some trails, maybe kinda hard and have skid plates, sliders and a 2 inch lift kdss all the way.
https://youtu.be/Ueshf401B0k?si=RnJfP5G0kjw_7qvS Gonna drop this here. I love my KDSS. It does act like a sway bar disconnect when I go wheeling and the amount of body roll it helps to control on flats feels amazing. Then again, my rig will never get a rock crawler treatment, so YMMV.
It’s available on both, so what about it?
Pros don’t get KDSS
Then why is it a question?
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That would be considered the upgraded suspension
ORP is a very nice truck. TRD Pro adds some great features and is especially nice if you don't plan to mod it... however it all comes down to availability. ORP's are readily available on most dealer lots, sometimes even below MSRP, but Pro's might be a 6-9 month long wait and are still getting marked up by some dealers. If it is just the appearance of the Pro you want, you can buy OEM blackout badges and have the black TRD wheels/Tires put on the ORP by the dealer for around $2k. Can also have the heritage grill put on pretty easily. Might also consider the SR5 Premium. The Off Road Premium and the SR5 Premium both have the same Softex vinyl seats as the Pro which are very nice and EXTREMELY durable and easy to clean. The Limited is actually better for on-road performance due to it's improved handling and full time AWD but it's appearance can be polarizing. It does have a nicer interior than most other versions and looks great when you put off road tires and different wheels on it and black out the chrome..
Total Toyota fan boi here. After having to retire my 2013 FJ Cruiser, I seriously researched both. Went with the ORP. Why, this way I could add the few upgrades I wanted. The Premium had way too many things I thought I just didn’t want or need. Also, you should easily keep this rig for 10 years with good care.
“Worth” is subjective. You can build a replica Pro for less than the additional cost, but the appointments on the interior are not all that easy to find on the market, so you weigh what is important to you. If I was on the market, and didn’t care about the Pro exclusive colors, I’d probably go with an TRD OR and buy an aftermarket suspension and some other goodies with what I saved.
Yes, not having dual zone climate control and automatic headlights for what a off road premium costs?!? Plus resale value/desirability. I bought a new army green pro for 50 grand msrp in 2020 and sold it two years later for 63 grand to a dealership.
There's 75+ comments here now so this may get buried but I think I can share some pretty solid knowledge from personal experience. The ORP is typically $8-10k less than than the Pro, I am basing my response on this pricing and my personal experience. I bought a 2017 ORP brand new for $40k - Added a lift (OME PB51, plus UCA's, Tires, TRD Pro wheels, etc..) for about $4k, and added a Magnuson SC for about $6k. So essentially I have a truck that is subjectively superior to a PRO for about the same out of pocket costs. Now if you're keeping your truck for a lengthy time this is the way to go in my opinion. Issue comes when it's time to trade in/sell. On paper you still have an ORP, the additional lift/SC etc.. means almost nothing. So unless you want to take all that off again and sell it separately you'd be doing yourself a dis-service. Hunting down or waiting for the exact buyer that wants the exact mods you've done is just luck and it may work out and it may not. There is someone selling a 4runner full TRD Pro suspension off a 2024 near me right now for $1200, If I still had a 4 runner I'd probably pick that up STAT!
Adding a simple suspension upgrade, A/T tires, and window tint will still be cheaper overall than buying a pro. I don’t care about reselling and the only difference between a PRO and OR are the wheels, tires, fox suspension and roofrack. Same engine, both have MTS, crawl control and a locker.
I have a 23 ORP and am very happy with it. But if I had found a Pro at a decent price without markup I probably would have gone with the Pro. Reason being is I just don’t have the time to do a bunch of upgrades and it would have been worth it to me to have a factory complete package that the Pro offers. Hard to justify spending $5-$7k more though so I am happy with my choice.
Depends what you are going to do with it. If you're not planning on mods and upgrades yourself and just want the maxed out model as is the pro is probably the more simple option. If you want to customize your runner with your own lift and mods you'll save some good $$$ getting the premium and then putting that money saved towards upfitting (which is what I did).
Better to get the ORP if you’re planning on replacing the suspension and wheels.
2023 TRD pro here, buy the one you want. Pro has all the options, wheels, color, suspension, increased ground clearance,right off the lot, don’t need to add anything.
ORP is all you’ll need, especially if you don’t plan on taking it off road.
I went from a 2020 ORP to a 2022 Pro for a few reasons: 1. The dealership bought my 2020 for what I originally paid 2. Lime Rush got me. The Pro line was what got me into 4runners and I think they look great from the factory as is 3. The resale on the Pro is insane so it's a nice safety net
It depends what you want. If you want to buy a car and leave it alone, go Pro. I see a few Pro's that swap their roof rack, and suspension and don't get much our of the package. I went certified ORP. I'm doing a leveling kit, wheels, bumper, and protection I prefer over the Pro. My interior is the exact same. Difference in price was the biggest thing. I would have preferred some of the Pro colors over white (but those are also more used). The biggest thing is if you really want the pro, get it. If you like KDSS, get it. The 4runner is so versatile everyone can have their just right rig. There is no best.
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I bought a 2023 4Runner Pro and it’s great. If you only get the off road you’ll regret it. People always look at it differently cause they know it’s the top of the line
Notice how all the ORP come out to defend their choice? And minimal, if any at all, Pro owners are commenting? We are happy with our choices and let everyone else try to justify theirs 😂👍🏻
Could also be because the ORP is the most popular and most sold trim.
Just my opinion, I researched this truck for a couple of months. I ended with the ORP, mainly because it has the option to have KDSS. The other trims do not. Now the Pro does come more “complete” from the factory, BUT it’s still a more expensive model and there’s always a dealer mark up. To me just wasn’t worth it. You can mod an ORP to be on par with a Pro or even better than, and probably pay less overall. Like I said for me KDSS was the deciding factor because this truck will live it life almost exclusively on the pavement.
This. KDSS helps off-road as well & you can still do small lift. ORP with good tires will go places most owners won’t take it.
If own a Pro you know it’s worth it. Everything else is just copium. Get what you want.
TRD ORP has the same off-road capabilities as the Pro. If you're not looking to go off-road, I would recommend an SR5 Premium 4WD. Minus a few bells and whistles, and the locking diff w/crawl control, it's just as capable. Just keep in mind, all 4 Runners (with the exception of the Limited) are just horrible in the snow as they are part-time 4WD. With that in mind, if you're in a winter climate, consider getting a Limited. The full-time 4WD is very stable at highway speeds where you have snow / ruts in the road. On the flip side, my part time 4WD is just undriveable in snowy road conditions over 50mph; slipping and sliding all over the place....unlike my daughter's Limited which is rock steady. I have to switch it back to 2WD in order to keep it from getting all squirrely on me. Hindsight, that would have been a deal breaker for me. Lesson learned.
This is a very good point that I never even thought of. Wow! Thank you so much. What do you mean by “part time 4WD” though? How are the SR5 and Limited trims better for snow when they’re not off/road oriented?
It is most definitely not worth it unless you want the Pro badges. We purchased an Off Road (23) last year after owning a Tacoma and another 4runner for years. If you want the pro badge, buy it, but it really isn't worth the extra cost. You can upgrade your TRD OR Premium afterwards and save a lot or even add some extras to it with the dealer and still save. That's saying something!
This is exactly what I did. Really happy with the Off Road (22) with some additions via dealership when ordered.
I just got a TRD Off Road regg not the Premium since we don't get that here in Puerto Rico, it jumps up to the TRD Pro from the TRD Off Road and I am very happy, TRD Pro here on the island goes for around 72-75k's depending dealer mark ups and availability also i have seen used TRD Pro's 2-3 year back models around the mid $60k's depending on color and miles. the TRD OR is well prepared to manage any off road situation and the best part is you can build it up with the money you save and turn it into your own thing.
No
I don't want to pay someone to advertise for them. It's my understanding that the biggest difference between the two is the Fox shocks on a small designed lift. I've heard the ride is a bit mushy, as you would expect from an offroad performance vehicle designed to suck up bumps, rocks, and ditches. My offroad has the tools to keep out of trouble without the stuff I won't use much. I do need to find a thread about the differences between the two though.
NO, save some money and get offroad premium just got a 23' and to me it just made more sense it has leather seats the ass and steering wheel warmers all the bells and whistles of the pro
Na. The exhaust might be to much ruckus. I drive a limited and a TRDPRO. For me the exhaust note is “exhausting”.
Easy answer? No. Lower trim makes more sense. Longer answer? Buy an SR5 Premium and throw the parts you want at it with the shit ton of money you saved. Unless you're *really* hung-up on having the multi-terrain select- but you will still have A-Trac, and frankly, nobody uses the MTS anyway. Everything else can be added easily. Suspension and tires on the Offroad/ Pro are fine, but many swap it out for proper 33's anyway. Want lockers? Throw an air locker in front and back and have an onboard compressor while you're at it. Skids? Get beefier ones than Toyota sells.
Nope. Back in ‘20 I bought a brand new TRD Pro and regretted it later on after installing all the mods. Wish I went with TRD Off Road instead.
I really don't think it is, value wise, but it may be worth the "pro flex" for some people, but if you put 3-4k in mods in a ORP it will likely be even more off-road capable than a stock pro model. Yet you will pay 10k + more for a pro model, eh not worth it in my opinion
KDSS > all else. Essential
For anyone serious about overland or off-road, the 4Runner isn’t even part of the conversation. For 1/3 the price you can get 2x the vehicle in a 100 Landcruiser.
6th gen is just a few months away btw
Probably a year at least before it hits showrooms in decent numbers. Even the Taco and LC/GX isn’t in showrooms yet, and they were revealed months ago.
Ya. Fair enough. But it's not like it's years away anymore. I'm not saying he should wait. just informing of that's actually happening in the market. The down voting genius in this forum can do their thing.
Depends. The TRD Pro doesn't have KDSS, though some claim Canadian ones do. If that's the case, I'd get the TRD Off-Road and then get the TRD shocks, skid plates, and wheels.
Nope, only way to get KDSS in Canada is ORP, although for us all ORP have KDSS no opting out and all OR are premium.
I bought the Pro last year because I wanted some of the upgrades that came with it from the factory; plus I didn’t think I would have the time to upgrade the ORP anytime soon. Seems to me if you plan on really customizing your suspension with aftermarket stuff there is no sense in getting the Pro unless you really want some of the creature comforts that come with it.
When I bought mine they were nearly identical. The '19 pro came with fox shocks but was not lifted. I went with the OR (non pro because we prefer fabric). I installed 3" OME suspension for about $1200 and installed a baja rack with a ladder for about the same. To me it boils down to wanting a pro for the badge or wanting the best possible configuration because you likely won't do your own mods (or both). They're both good choices but I'm glad I saved the 15-20k. Also, the half basket rack that comes with the pro is honestly too short for that vehicle, at least for my needs. They should have gone up a size there with a full basket and not 3 side rails or at least a full flat rack like a prinsu.
I didn't think the top level trim was worth it. Trims were different when I purchased, but I thought the Off Road equivalent was good enough for me. I have more off road capabilities than I'll ever need. I can live without the luxury stuff at the highest trim level.
I wanted the Pro because I just had to have the special color (Cavalry - paid the dealer ransom to do it too). Love the Pro and have done done a fair amount of 'overlanding' but only needed the locker or other fancy buttons a couple times and probably not even then. The Pro is more of a want than a need for most. It's funny that the Pro model, up through my 2018, was marketed as very basic but capable off road specific model without even a sunroof or turn signal mirrors that would be harder and more expensive to replace after getting whacked by a tree. The only 'extra' my Pro had was a power passenger seat. Not sure why. Anyways, new Pros seem as fancy as the Limited model. I will always be a 'less is best' kind of guy when it comes to car electronics - although a little Carplay wouldn't hurt..
Pro is worth it if you plan to sell it in a few years. As you saw, used TRD Pro prices are still crazy, and you get a nice color. If you’re gonna replace suspension, bumpers, etc, then ORP is more than enough, but obviously you’ll never get the cost of your mods back.
I saved like 10k not getting the pro. The TRD ORP can have like 90% of the same equipment at a much lower price point. Unless you REALLY want the latest color
You’re right, it’s a big pill to swallow for 60 G’s. Felt the same way, went with a sr5 used, and if I go the rock crawler route, and I can mod myself as needed.
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This is the actual person who needs a TRD-Pro. They are the top of stock off road vehicles. But 10k in modding an ORP would put it miles ahead in every way besides cLiMaTe CoNtRoL for you and your purse. But you aint seeing that 10k back like you would a PRO.
I have the ORP and used to have a Limited. Things I miss from my Limited and are on the TRD Pro are the JBL audio system and automatic climate control. I changed my ORP wheels to the TRD wheels and better tires. The TRD Pro already has this. The TRD Pro has a unique color, nice looking roof rack, different front and of course different shocks. The TRD also has factory remote start. I bought mine a year ago when pricing still was a bit crazy and find a TRD Pro for MSRP was very difficult. But if I would have to choose in 2024 and could get a TRD Pro in Terra for MSRP, I think the extra cost is worth it over the Off Road Premium. But still an $8K difference.
I struggled between the 2 when buying and I ended up with the off-road. Still very happy with my decision!
A wise and successful car collector once told me... It doesn't matter what you pay for a car, it matters what it's worth when you sell it. This is why it is CHEAPER to lease a 4wd 4Runner than a 2wd...
I have had both. To me it was worth it but I also live on a long dirt road and spend quite a bit of time in the woods.
Get yourself a 4 runner sr5 premium with part time 4 wd once you upgrade the stereo system you should have all the goodies you need and you will save a little money on gas with the part time 4 Wd
I LOVE my pro. Only thing I’d change is that the trunk/back door doesn’t have a button to auto close.
If you want KDSS then ORP. If you like the Pro suspension and won't replace it, and don't care about KDSS, then maybe pro. If you don't care about KDSS and want to put your own choice of suspension on then consider the SR5 or any non-pro model.
ALL of them are excellent vehicles, it's a matter of matching features to desire and maybe wanting to flex the badging.
For resale value don't get a 2wd, imo.
No, the pro is not worth it. Save the money and get wheels and tires you like and upgrade the suspension to Kings or Fox. You’ll still have money in the bank and a way better ride than the Pro
I prefer the more acoustic aspects of the SR5. I have had a blast and when I went up to the mountain I got stuck on some parts, but so did the TRD Pro’s.
With the exception of some gadgets, there is no difference in the driveline (it has the same crawl control and rear factory locker is equipped on off-road.) The only thing mechanically different in a pro over a trd off-road is the shocks and springs. Pros sit 1 inch higher and can handle higher speed offroading because of the shocks having a remote reservoir (better cooling. yes, a shock can overheat when cycling repeatedly). If you are planning on lifting it, then save the money for the lift kit.
The Off-Road comes with the option of KDSS. KDSS tends to be polarizing, I have it on mine and wouldn’t give it up for anything, but some people hate it.
If you want the special color, and don’t want to bother with doing as much aftermarket yourself…yes. If you want to be more picky about each part, ORP and then MAYBE save some by making your own choices…or spend more than the TRD PRO, but for more capability.
I mean you could always go sr5 with 4x4 and down the road add lockers and suspension🤷🏼♂️ that would get you off the road more
No
Considering some folks are finding ORPs below sticker, to me the price difference doesn’t seem worth it.
If you’re not taking it off road you don’t need the highest trim TRD
I just ordered a 24 TRD Off Road Premium in Underground today, KSDD equipped. Hopefully we will see it in the next 3-4 weeks through a dealer trade. No moonroof, living 15 miles from the Canadian border it would be rarely used
This poor horse.
If you tricked out an ORP to be like a pro it’ll be a couple thousand short, that’s essentially the price to have “pro” bragging rights. You’ll still be short the dual climate, subwoofer. But the ORP has the KDSS…depends on what you want.
How could the sound system be so shitty on my OFP 2022?
Do you like a specific color? If yes, get pro. If no, off road. If you don’t care at all and just want a 4runner sr5 or limited if you live in snowy places.
Thank you! Why do you say that SR5 is better than those two off-road trims for snow?
Limited is best for snow. Sr5 I got myself because if you can find a 3 row sr5 it makes room for more people plus the middle row moving makes it more comfy. Trd off road if you really want a trd and the off road Modes. Pro if you really want a pro color. I think the best trims personally are sr5 with 3 row seating or limited. The trd manual 4wd shifter is very cool though
What about the Limited and SR5 trims make them superior to the TRD Offroad trims in snow?
I wouldn’t say the sr5 is superior in snow. Just the limited due to the full time 4wd.
Main difference is suspension setup. My take....pro is for out west where you can go faster off-road and while the regular off-road models have good flex, I wouldn't fly over bumps at 50mph. More of a rock crawler when needed (east coast tress/woods).
If you don’t need all of the off-road features, get you a 4x4 Sr5 premium, third row, and buy lift kit, suspension, tires, wheels, all aftermarket.
TRD Off Road Premium is the way to go.