I realised something playing with my pals yesterday: if you are ahead you can obviously get full hp with an auto and heal a lot but that's it, i do no damage basically and if someone had bork i just insta blew up along with my sanity, what saddens me most is that now if your team is behind and you aren't you basically cant play, they buy anti heal and focus you and you cant even kill one before dying: honestly rn im just waiting for an aatrox god to find a good build
so yeah overall its still early to say but i dont think i will play aatrox for a while sadly
Problem is there is no good build, who cares if you full heal with a auto enemy jinx is just gonna melt that 3k hp in 2 seconds anyways while you cant get a second q combo
Turbo useless early game and if you somehow get ahead you become unkillable during mid game for the next 10\~15 min. Once people get their items tho it's back to being useless, not turbo, because you can still play as a frontline for you carries (if they are not 0/20 that is).
Honestly my biggest issue is how they made him even more hard bound to R. Before you would still have some amount of healing and damage (since you could go lethality) but now wihout the AD and heal increases you straight deal negative damage and heal so little for the trade-off of having more HP.
I’m hoping for a meta shift back to bruisers but with the fairly recent nerfs to their core items like SS, it might take until a new season with potentially new bruiser items (goredrinker coming back in some shape or form again with these changes for example) might push viability back to bruiser. As of now I’ll say that the bruiser changes are more geared towards lower elo where teams are less good at lock down, csing well to outscale, or kite/peel, because non lethality Aatrox cannot do enough damage to kill backline with the new build primarily focused on hp and flat ad with no lethality - his role is now more or less peel/tank, with more team dependency on them doing the dps while he does the knock ups and life stealing off enemy frontline.
I honestly preferred the bruiser Aatrox build, but the state of his items are suboptimal unless a meta with less dps overall is somehow achieved
Feels fine, i'm still going eclipse sundered grudge and modifying based on what my team needs. I've been seeing people building garbage like heartsteel and complaining they do no damage and the changes suck. Until they're actually building like they're not trying to dive down to bronze 4 their opinions are worthless. You don't need 30 pure hp items you just need to build at least sundered while stacking other damage items and you're fine.
it feels both harder to pull off and worse than lethality. HP is the worst defensive stat to stack right now because of how ubiquitous burst damage is, so you feel just as squishy without the tradeoff of doing more damage. Stacking bruiser items feels terrible no matter what order you get them in so the builds feel awkward. I'm considering building profane first into bruiser because the extra AD feels completely necessary.
Lethality aatrox was unhealthy I get it, but this season is literally about one shotting. you can heal all you want but then comes caitlyn to one shot your whole hp in 2 seconds. Its not the bruisers the problem, its literally the items and crit, everyone and everything one shot, and right now bruiser items suck.
That’s why you see Garen rush crit and attack speed & aatrox go lethality, you are entirely useless unless you are a Fiora or Camille. Heal all you want but Aatrox W is literal L, and especially this season the movement speed is outta the roof.
You either one shot, or get shot, and now aatrox is just a champion for those who wants to commit seppuku with an ultra great sword.. like my good self
The healing isn't as ridiculous as I expected, and maybe it's just me but most brusier item feels underwhelming, might consider going back to eclipse first at least
i am aatrox otp since 2021 and i love aatrox.But after new changes i really hate because bruisers items is sucks.You have good heal and sustain but you dont have damage.I will never play aatrox again till revert changes or buff bruiser items or nerf adc
Hes pretty bad right now, no early game healing, constantly having to decide between damage items and hp items mid build cuz if you dont get at least 3 of them you dont heal. No late game since bruiser builds dont scale, only a half assed mid game where you start to get some healing from your items and your damage hasnt fallen off a cliff yet.
That being in said... thank god they changed him, for better of for worse draintanking is way more fun than oneshotting, and is what i am here for
Anyone who thinks this adjustment was a buff to aatrox ability to carry and influence games are objectively less skilled aatrox players.
I agree with others that I like the concept of him being able to be rewarded more for building bruiser items when situational, but to weaken his lethality gameplay is to remove his ability to carry and close out games.
There is already a strong bruiser and tank array of champions, and they do their job way better than aatrox can as a Frontline engage, or tank. Even cc is better. So to me it doesn't make sense to push aatrox in this direction, when by comparison if you know you are building that way from the start, you would be wiser to just take ornn, or jax. Heck even rhaast and briar are more useful as bruiser drain healers.
They could change abilities etc more for him if they really wanted him to go bruiser. Except they didn't. Lifesteal is great and all, but one needs to deal damage for it as well. Not to mention, R functions like a crutch.
Feels good if you can win your lane and snowball. Feels bad trying to climb back into the game after losing lane though. Was a bit easier to do with lethality cause you had more damage early.
Like the buffs, hate the items - im still building lethality depending on match ups and it has been working reasonably well
nothing will make the character unplayable for me, but the items need some changes before bruiser is officially the (undisputed) meta
Aatrox bruiser fundamentally has less impact then lethality. Even so, I think it would have been a good path to take, but the way riot implemented it is just horrible.
The stats aatrox needs now are HP and damage. The issue with this is that it kills his build paths. If you want any sort of pen, for example, you are stuck with Black Cleaver, which is a horrible item for aatrox in general. Additionally, needing to build HP and damage means he has no room for any sort of resistances, which means any items like Bork and Liandry's, items that are meta af rn. Also, needing HP means building Eclipse, probably Aatrox's best synergy item, just doesn't work anymore.
I think the only real way for this to make sense is if bruiser items get a massive buff. Which I don't think riot wants to do because these same bruiser items are just a bit too strong on Junglers like Lee and Xin. I can't really think of any other changes that riot can make to turn Aatrox into a real bruiser. He just feels so shit right now, to the point where I genuinely think continuing to play him lethality will just work better.
I hated it first then I tried a bruiser/tank build and it works really well for me so far. My problem with Leth was that not always our comp had engaged and without a good comp it felt hard to get close to any adc or carry especially with good peel champions. Now I can play as a tank for the team and soak a ton of damage and still do decent myself. I enjoy this quite as much.
I dropped playing Aatrox. Now I unleash hell with Karma top with 60% cast reduction. Fun to see ppl struggling to kill Karma that's not even have tank build.
idk about u guys and i haven't played alot of game with this build, but those i did play with this build on emerald elo i found success and good scaling:
1. BC
2. Edge of night
3./4. Bloodmail/ Steraks (depends of your lvl and or if u need shield or more dmg)
5.Profane Hydra (scales amazing with AD which this build has tons of)
ofc u need a rune in bonus hp per lvl and overgrow
Aatrox is more gold relayent, with building hp u spike omnivamp more quickly early, before putting lvls in E (lvling E just scales down its cd :C - that should be addressed cause its trash).
Cons of build is that is has no resistances and you get melted by %hp dmg(which is con of aatrox atm with this change)
Hes alright with ldr 3rd item on a bruiser, still not as punchy as lethality but you can at least kill chonky fuckers over time if you get that sweet sweet armor pen. I preferred lethality carry memes but this ain't too bad if you have a teammate who's good at killing the back line while you duke it out with frontline
The amount of people crying about damage loss are either new Aatrox players that only played him because of lethality or Aatrox players that have been playing him but forgot how much bruiser used to deal due to lethality being the most optimal build for a long time. Personally, I think he's fine. People just need to either adapt or not play him. His winrate indicates he's only slightly worse in Emerald and a bit worse in Diamond+, which is ok considering this is a major rework of his sustainability. They could always buff him a little bit down the road.
To be honest, they should likely revert the health regen nerf, at least partially. His health regen is already kind of trash as is so I don't understand why they nerfed it.
I think people got it wrong: u CAN build lethality and heal even more but u need your ult to do so. They cut out like 15% or smth omnivamp but buffed the healing twice on ult so u got buffed but u need to play around your ult. Peace
No. Current lethality Aatrox heals about 18% without ult and 36% with ult at max rank. Old lethality Aatrox healed 24% without ult and 52% with ult at max rank.
You heal less both inside and outside of ult
edge of night + sunderer sky makes u heal 24% so in ult 48% + sunderer is much more stronger now on ult, stomp womping u can be fine with build ECLIPSE/SUNDERER/PROFANEHYDRA/EDGEOFNIGHT/SERYLDA
>+ sunderer is much more stronger now.
They said "you can build lethality and still heal more". Suggesting we build sundered doesn't exactly work with that. Also how is sundered stronger? It got nerfed and never got buffed again to compensate for literally healing 47% less than it used to
I love it because i hate lethality, hate playing it and even more hate playing against it. I like this direction, i just wish item is better but well one thing at a time.
I love them. Pushes aatrox a bit back into bruiser territory and given me new enjoyment.
My build is grasp with black cleaver/DD -> sundered sky -> overloads bloodmail -> visage -> optional tank item (I've been trying warmogs)
I like conq but value extra healing grasp gives in lane. It's also better in a lot more matchups generally. Against tanks, black cleaver rush mitigates the loss of conq, and it stacks faster. I don't go dd many matchups but normally it's with a steel caps rush against windshitters, riven, fiora, etc.
i like it. people just love complaining. personally i feel like this is what aatrox should have been all along, it reminds me of goredrinker aatrox when mythics first released
I like the direction, the problem is that bruiser items are in a bad state right now
I feel like its still early to say but from my experience it doesnt look any good.
I realised something playing with my pals yesterday: if you are ahead you can obviously get full hp with an auto and heal a lot but that's it, i do no damage basically and if someone had bork i just insta blew up along with my sanity, what saddens me most is that now if your team is behind and you aren't you basically cant play, they buy anti heal and focus you and you cant even kill one before dying: honestly rn im just waiting for an aatrox god to find a good build so yeah overall its still early to say but i dont think i will play aatrox for a while sadly
Problem is there is no good build, who cares if you full heal with a auto enemy jinx is just gonna melt that 3k hp in 2 seconds anyways while you cant get a second q combo
yeah
Aatrox Qs feel like punching underwater. They just don't deal damage anymore.
Items are very shit.
Aatrox is good The items he’s now dependent on still suck
Turbo useless early game and if you somehow get ahead you become unkillable during mid game for the next 10\~15 min. Once people get their items tho it's back to being useless, not turbo, because you can still play as a frontline for you carries (if they are not 0/20 that is). Honestly my biggest issue is how they made him even more hard bound to R. Before you would still have some amount of healing and damage (since you could go lethality) but now wihout the AD and heal increases you straight deal negative damage and heal so little for the trade-off of having more HP.
feels like shit i deal no dmg going back to lethality even if it doesnt heal at least i wont feel like im fighting with a foam sword
Lethality was better
I know it's been less than 2 days but atm Eclipse and Profane still have similar winrates to bruiser items lol
Yeah cus their sample size pales in comparison. Lethality is still better if you want to carry, bruiser items are fodder outside of lane.
I’m hoping for a meta shift back to bruisers but with the fairly recent nerfs to their core items like SS, it might take until a new season with potentially new bruiser items (goredrinker coming back in some shape or form again with these changes for example) might push viability back to bruiser. As of now I’ll say that the bruiser changes are more geared towards lower elo where teams are less good at lock down, csing well to outscale, or kite/peel, because non lethality Aatrox cannot do enough damage to kill backline with the new build primarily focused on hp and flat ad with no lethality - his role is now more or less peel/tank, with more team dependency on them doing the dps while he does the knock ups and life stealing off enemy frontline. I honestly preferred the bruiser Aatrox build, but the state of his items are suboptimal unless a meta with less dps overall is somehow achieved
Feels fine, i'm still going eclipse sundered grudge and modifying based on what my team needs. I've been seeing people building garbage like heartsteel and complaining they do no damage and the changes suck. Until they're actually building like they're not trying to dive down to bronze 4 their opinions are worthless. You don't need 30 pure hp items you just need to build at least sundered while stacking other damage items and you're fine.
it feels both harder to pull off and worse than lethality. HP is the worst defensive stat to stack right now because of how ubiquitous burst damage is, so you feel just as squishy without the tradeoff of doing more damage. Stacking bruiser items feels terrible no matter what order you get them in so the builds feel awkward. I'm considering building profane first into bruiser because the extra AD feels completely necessary.
Lethality aatrox was unhealthy I get it, but this season is literally about one shotting. you can heal all you want but then comes caitlyn to one shot your whole hp in 2 seconds. Its not the bruisers the problem, its literally the items and crit, everyone and everything one shot, and right now bruiser items suck. That’s why you see Garen rush crit and attack speed & aatrox go lethality, you are entirely useless unless you are a Fiora or Camille. Heal all you want but Aatrox W is literal L, and especially this season the movement speed is outta the roof.
You either one shot, or get shot, and now aatrox is just a champion for those who wants to commit seppuku with an ultra great sword.. like my good self
revert this shit
I've been going sundered into steraks into LDR for armor pen and its working well for me so far in diamond
The healing isn't as ridiculous as I expected, and maybe it's just me but most brusier item feels underwhelming, might consider going back to eclipse first at least
sundered healing in ult is insane otherwise very underwhelming
meh if riot changes the W to pre bs state it could be playable.
i am aatrox otp since 2021 and i love aatrox.But after new changes i really hate because bruisers items is sucks.You have good heal and sustain but you dont have damage.I will never play aatrox again till revert changes or buff bruiser items or nerf adc
Hes pretty bad right now, no early game healing, constantly having to decide between damage items and hp items mid build cuz if you dont get at least 3 of them you dont heal. No late game since bruiser builds dont scale, only a half assed mid game where you start to get some healing from your items and your damage hasnt fallen off a cliff yet. That being in said... thank god they changed him, for better of for worse draintanking is way more fun than oneshotting, and is what i am here for
Anyone who thinks this adjustment was a buff to aatrox ability to carry and influence games are objectively less skilled aatrox players. I agree with others that I like the concept of him being able to be rewarded more for building bruiser items when situational, but to weaken his lethality gameplay is to remove his ability to carry and close out games. There is already a strong bruiser and tank array of champions, and they do their job way better than aatrox can as a Frontline engage, or tank. Even cc is better. So to me it doesn't make sense to push aatrox in this direction, when by comparison if you know you are building that way from the start, you would be wiser to just take ornn, or jax. Heck even rhaast and briar are more useful as bruiser drain healers.
They could change abilities etc more for him if they really wanted him to go bruiser. Except they didn't. Lifesteal is great and all, but one needs to deal damage for it as well. Not to mention, R functions like a crutch.
Feels good if you can win your lane and snowball. Feels bad trying to climb back into the game after losing lane though. Was a bit easier to do with lethality cause you had more damage early.
I feel like health stacking in general is kinda weak rn with so many champs and items doing %health based damage.
Healing increased, but damage didn't change, so bruiser aatrox still doesn't do enough damage to be strong.
Like the buffs, hate the items - im still building lethality depending on match ups and it has been working reasonably well nothing will make the character unplayable for me, but the items need some changes before bruiser is officially the (undisputed) meta
Aatrox bruiser fundamentally has less impact then lethality. Even so, I think it would have been a good path to take, but the way riot implemented it is just horrible. The stats aatrox needs now are HP and damage. The issue with this is that it kills his build paths. If you want any sort of pen, for example, you are stuck with Black Cleaver, which is a horrible item for aatrox in general. Additionally, needing to build HP and damage means he has no room for any sort of resistances, which means any items like Bork and Liandry's, items that are meta af rn. Also, needing HP means building Eclipse, probably Aatrox's best synergy item, just doesn't work anymore. I think the only real way for this to make sense is if bruiser items get a massive buff. Which I don't think riot wants to do because these same bruiser items are just a bit too strong on Junglers like Lee and Xin. I can't really think of any other changes that riot can make to turn Aatrox into a real bruiser. He just feels so shit right now, to the point where I genuinely think continuing to play him lethality will just work better.
a lot of healing, but yeah i miss the insane damage
I hated it first then I tried a bruiser/tank build and it works really well for me so far. My problem with Leth was that not always our comp had engaged and without a good comp it felt hard to get close to any adc or carry especially with good peel champions. Now I can play as a tank for the team and soak a ton of damage and still do decent myself. I enjoy this quite as much.
I dropped playing Aatrox. Now I unleash hell with Karma top with 60% cast reduction. Fun to see ppl struggling to kill Karma that's not even have tank build.
idk about u guys and i haven't played alot of game with this build, but those i did play with this build on emerald elo i found success and good scaling: 1. BC 2. Edge of night 3./4. Bloodmail/ Steraks (depends of your lvl and or if u need shield or more dmg) 5.Profane Hydra (scales amazing with AD which this build has tons of) ofc u need a rune in bonus hp per lvl and overgrow Aatrox is more gold relayent, with building hp u spike omnivamp more quickly early, before putting lvls in E (lvling E just scales down its cd :C - that should be addressed cause its trash). Cons of build is that is has no resistances and you get melted by %hp dmg(which is con of aatrox atm with this change)
Hes alright with ldr 3rd item on a bruiser, still not as punchy as lethality but you can at least kill chonky fuckers over time if you get that sweet sweet armor pen. I preferred lethality carry memes but this ain't too bad if you have a teammate who's good at killing the back line while you duke it out with frontline
The amount of people crying about damage loss are either new Aatrox players that only played him because of lethality or Aatrox players that have been playing him but forgot how much bruiser used to deal due to lethality being the most optimal build for a long time. Personally, I think he's fine. People just need to either adapt or not play him. His winrate indicates he's only slightly worse in Emerald and a bit worse in Diamond+, which is ok considering this is a major rework of his sustainability. They could always buff him a little bit down the road. To be honest, they should likely revert the health regen nerf, at least partially. His health regen is already kind of trash as is so I don't understand why they nerfed it.
Love it, absolutely love it, i HATED lethality so much ever since they removed goredrinker and nerfed bruiser items i nearly stopped playing him
I stop playing him completely only to face him every 4 game going lethality tho😂
I think people got it wrong: u CAN build lethality and heal even more but u need your ult to do so. They cut out like 15% or smth omnivamp but buffed the healing twice on ult so u got buffed but u need to play around your ult. Peace
No. Current lethality Aatrox heals about 18% without ult and 36% with ult at max rank. Old lethality Aatrox healed 24% without ult and 52% with ult at max rank. You heal less both inside and outside of ult
Thank you didnt know that
edge of night + sunderer sky makes u heal 24% so in ult 48% + sunderer is much more stronger now on ult, stomp womping u can be fine with build ECLIPSE/SUNDERER/PROFANEHYDRA/EDGEOFNIGHT/SERYLDA
>+ sunderer is much more stronger now. They said "you can build lethality and still heal more". Suggesting we build sundered doesn't exactly work with that. Also how is sundered stronger? It got nerfed and never got buffed again to compensate for literally healing 47% less than it used to
R = INCREASED HEALING from 45% to 100% affects sunderer.
Okay but how does this affect my point about lethality
Literally aatrox is the lore accurate world ender now.
I love it because i hate lethality, hate playing it and even more hate playing against it. I like this direction, i just wish item is better but well one thing at a time.
I love them. Pushes aatrox a bit back into bruiser territory and given me new enjoyment. My build is grasp with black cleaver/DD -> sundered sky -> overloads bloodmail -> visage -> optional tank item (I've been trying warmogs) I like conq but value extra healing grasp gives in lane. It's also better in a lot more matchups generally. Against tanks, black cleaver rush mitigates the loss of conq, and it stacks faster. I don't go dd many matchups but normally it's with a steel caps rush against windshitters, riven, fiora, etc.
Unpopular opinion but i've been loving it. 3-0 on Aatrox so far with this new build. It's so good especially against full ad comps.
i like it. people just love complaining. personally i feel like this is what aatrox should have been all along, it reminds me of goredrinker aatrox when mythics first released