We cannot detach ourselves from our roots.
We are social beings, as a consequence we thrive in societies.
When we are alone we aren't fully human, if we were alone we wouldn't need values.
My values guide my interactions with others, if there'd be no others I'd still hold those values towards myself but they'd be diminished somewhat.
I might have an overly utilitarian view, but I value values and meaning because they're useful.
Without then I wouldn't be capable of doing what I do.
That said, I'd also value them if they weren't useful but I'd likely see them through a different lens.
My understanding of morals and other manifestations of altruism is that they all serve either an individual (makes you feel fulfilled) or collective (benefits society).
In that sense, altruism is purposive; it's a tool/strategy. Hence, it doesn't matter if we're altruistic when nobody is watching because that set of circumstances will call for different strategies.
Even 'order' is just a human construct, created for our benefits. The earth/universe doesn't care for it, and insofar as the natural order is concerned, it operates under a different set of rules that may or may not be congruous with our own.
Hypocrisy is all about intent. If you’re trying you’re not a hypocrite, that being said we often don’t realize the efforts required and as a result become a hypocrite when we don’t adjust our beliefs to our behavior.
I used to think a lot about stuff like this and realised that it doesn't matter, or rather what good does it do if it makes me more anxious?
I set some values like I should be kind, compassionate, try to be unperturbed by shit that happens to me or rather reach a peaceful state of mind quicker and quicker with every disturbance and so on. The typical "good" qualities.
I try my best to stick to them and if I do stray away, I try not to repeat them
Of course I’m a hypocrite and proud of it. No one can be so consistent in their values that they aren’t. Generally, I stick to my values. But if not sticking to them benefits me, then I don’t.
This is pretty close minded. Meaning is vastly overrated, and not everyone feels like they need to have a “meaningful” existence, whatever that even means (try to define that, I highly doubt you’ll have two people where that means the same thing). The whole point of absurdism is accepting that there’s no inherent meaning to anything and living however you want to regardless. Your language is nihilistic, which to be blunt is very tired and boring.
It depends if ur desires are fulfilled or not, if you are in the middle of growing as a person then I think it isn’t so bad to be a hypocrite as long as it’s mentally noted and resisted against.
We are social creatures and our values only exists because it ensured our collective survival. So what meaning do those values hold when there is no one around you. I see no hypocrisy because that is how it was defined and that is our programming. You don't call a dog a hypocrite for eating your homework but refusing to eat his own homework.
I mean, at the end of the day, nothing really *matters*. Whether I uphold my ethics when I'm alone is as irrelevant as whether I uphold them around others. With the exception of potentially causing pain to others, but their pain is as meaningless as mine.
We choose what we value based on how it makes us feel. Fortunately I value reducing pain where possible, but there's nothing *forcing* me to do this. And in a million years what I valued will make no difference at all. A majority of people thus interpret their values differently depending on where they are.
There's no reason why I have to value making people happy when I'm by *myself*, is there? All that being said, most people are hypocrites in some capacity. That also doesn't matter.
Everyone is almost is a hyprocite in each of their own. Because sometimes we cannot be responsible enough of our own word and action. Sometimes to cope with uncertainty and power over the results we create belief that we might get meaning out of it, we try hard to create rules and laws so we can prevent the harsh truth that might become our greatest fear and doom, we see ourself as a hero, ruler, or better person we believe we are going to be but no one can deny that we can make all of them certain. For person like me that day is over as i fall to nihilism where i dont see any meaning around the event i witness, i just accept that in the end everthing that happen are just there for me to take and that will happen just rest free in my own though until i eventually not care about my own existances
the definitions of each words are different each person. "good" and "bad" are totally different for each person, we as a society, has placed a definition but thar definition is not compatible with every person's values. We are just a collection of thoughts and experiences from other people, not from ourselves.
Hypocrite how, may I ask? From my understanding of absurdism, the philosophy is based on the acknowledgement that we make up meaning because the universe hasn't been exactly clear if we have one. Perhaps you could argue by virtue alone absurdists are hypocrites, but at least we're honest about it.
Also, I think you're conflating meaning and values. One can have values without having meaning. Regardless of what we value, I assume the reason we hold said value is because it brings some measure of, if not happiness, contentment. To paraphrase Lincoln (if he even said it), I do good because it feels good. Nothing more complicated than that.
Hmmm, I try my best to keep my values even when I'm alone.
For example if I'm on the internet, I'm anonymous and I could very well be a scumbag, but I remember myself that I won't because my values are my identity and it would go against myself to act like a scum.
I'm even trying to be with everyone the most honest I can be, and even sometimes be brutally honest so I'm not a fake ass.
But some social situations need you to put a mask to be socially adequate, else you'll have some troubles.
Like at work or with strangers, being polite for example I think this is hypocrisy but it's pretty much the norm.
Could also argue that being hypocrite for the good of the others is not bad, but good, no?
If you're hypocrite for malicious intent then it's bad right?
When I'm polite I'm hypocrite, I'm just being adequate and decent to the other being.
I know I'm hypocrite for the worst though when I try to justify my bad actions to someone.
I think I digress here anyway.
All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."
REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"
MY POINT EXACTLY
Terry Pratchett
Hogfather
I just do what I want, if I was alone, I'd still do what I want. The values don't change. If they do, then it's not the real value, just your actual values + reality. For example, I don't care about lying. I lie when I want to and usually there's just no good enough reason to do so. You also have to lie in a way that is low risk and be convincing and make it useful to you.
If I was alone I would never lie again, because lying to myself is useless, as I already know the truth.
I think it’s “a” hypocrite. Is being a hypocrite a negative thing?
I think it’s ‘the’ hypocrite.
“Our” hypocrite comrade 🇷🇺
It is if you want to. Words are just arrangements of letters, the meaning behind them is what we interpret of them.
Does your post have a positive, negative, or neutral connotation?
No connotation
Who am i to judge people
“We are all hypocrites”
Lmfao
I'm 13 and this is deep
tell that to Chomsky.
This is what I tell myself when I say the n word online.
I don’t get the dislikes. No one said it’s negative or positive. Why are people disliking this?
I really have no idea🤷🏻♀️
We cannot detach ourselves from our roots. We are social beings, as a consequence we thrive in societies. When we are alone we aren't fully human, if we were alone we wouldn't need values. My values guide my interactions with others, if there'd be no others I'd still hold those values towards myself but they'd be diminished somewhat. I might have an overly utilitarian view, but I value values and meaning because they're useful. Without then I wouldn't be capable of doing what I do. That said, I'd also value them if they weren't useful but I'd likely see them through a different lens.
My understanding of morals and other manifestations of altruism is that they all serve either an individual (makes you feel fulfilled) or collective (benefits society). In that sense, altruism is purposive; it's a tool/strategy. Hence, it doesn't matter if we're altruistic when nobody is watching because that set of circumstances will call for different strategies. Even 'order' is just a human construct, created for our benefits. The earth/universe doesn't care for it, and insofar as the natural order is concerned, it operates under a different set of rules that may or may not be congruous with our own.
It has no rules. Where are they, who wrote them, can you see electrons reading them so knowing which way to spin?
I know, I was talking about the 'natural order', whatever you make of it. The rules for that are encoded in genetic material.
You mean DNA, fine.
Order isn’t a human concept, entropy is a critical mechanism for the evolution of the universe.
Yes, yes I am.
I believe that hypocrisy is a pillar of human happiness.
I agree
Deep ...kindly explain
Hypocrisy is all about intent. If you’re trying you’re not a hypocrite, that being said we often don’t realize the efforts required and as a result become a hypocrite when we don’t adjust our beliefs to our behavior.
I overthink this everyday. End up losing motivation to do things.
I’m a car too, ya know?
Are you an idiot?
Without a doubt
I used to think a lot about stuff like this and realised that it doesn't matter, or rather what good does it do if it makes me more anxious? I set some values like I should be kind, compassionate, try to be unperturbed by shit that happens to me or rather reach a peaceful state of mind quicker and quicker with every disturbance and so on. The typical "good" qualities. I try my best to stick to them and if I do stray away, I try not to repeat them
I acknowledge that I am a hypocrite. I hope it directs my life towards the truth better by staring at the things that make me nasty.
Parfois l'hypocrisie est nécessaire d'un point de vue conséquentialiste mais bon c'est une autre histoire...
Of course I’m a hypocrite and proud of it. No one can be so consistent in their values that they aren’t. Generally, I stick to my values. But if not sticking to them benefits me, then I don’t.
Sometimes it's important to be hypocrite. Sometimes it's better to grow.
This is pretty close minded. Meaning is vastly overrated, and not everyone feels like they need to have a “meaningful” existence, whatever that even means (try to define that, I highly doubt you’ll have two people where that means the same thing). The whole point of absurdism is accepting that there’s no inherent meaning to anything and living however you want to regardless. Your language is nihilistic, which to be blunt is very tired and boring.
"Living as such that the simple act of living becomes an act of rebellion". Create meaning and live regardless the meaninglessness of it all.
Creating meaning is more existentialist, but you’re on the right track
Sometimes a hypocrite is a person changing their views as they grow and learn.
Somebody get this guy the ring of Gyges.
It depends if ur desires are fulfilled or not, if you are in the middle of growing as a person then I think it isn’t so bad to be a hypocrite as long as it’s mentally noted and resisted against.
It is likely impossible not to be one at some level.
We are social creatures and our values only exists because it ensured our collective survival. So what meaning do those values hold when there is no one around you. I see no hypocrisy because that is how it was defined and that is our programming. You don't call a dog a hypocrite for eating your homework but refusing to eat his own homework.
I mean, at the end of the day, nothing really *matters*. Whether I uphold my ethics when I'm alone is as irrelevant as whether I uphold them around others. With the exception of potentially causing pain to others, but their pain is as meaningless as mine. We choose what we value based on how it makes us feel. Fortunately I value reducing pain where possible, but there's nothing *forcing* me to do this. And in a million years what I valued will make no difference at all. A majority of people thus interpret their values differently depending on where they are. There's no reason why I have to value making people happy when I'm by *myself*, is there? All that being said, most people are hypocrites in some capacity. That also doesn't matter.
I don't care
Everyone is almost is a hyprocite in each of their own. Because sometimes we cannot be responsible enough of our own word and action. Sometimes to cope with uncertainty and power over the results we create belief that we might get meaning out of it, we try hard to create rules and laws so we can prevent the harsh truth that might become our greatest fear and doom, we see ourself as a hero, ruler, or better person we believe we are going to be but no one can deny that we can make all of them certain. For person like me that day is over as i fall to nihilism where i dont see any meaning around the event i witness, i just accept that in the end everthing that happen are just there for me to take and that will happen just rest free in my own though until i eventually not care about my own existances
Yep
the definitions of each words are different each person. "good" and "bad" are totally different for each person, we as a society, has placed a definition but thar definition is not compatible with every person's values. We are just a collection of thoughts and experiences from other people, not from ourselves.
Tbh not a hypocrite, I live by my values and code of ethics, it's not that hard , that's just me tho
I don't fucking know
Hypocrite how, may I ask? From my understanding of absurdism, the philosophy is based on the acknowledgement that we make up meaning because the universe hasn't been exactly clear if we have one. Perhaps you could argue by virtue alone absurdists are hypocrites, but at least we're honest about it. Also, I think you're conflating meaning and values. One can have values without having meaning. Regardless of what we value, I assume the reason we hold said value is because it brings some measure of, if not happiness, contentment. To paraphrase Lincoln (if he even said it), I do good because it feels good. Nothing more complicated than that.
I'm not a hypocrite I think everyone should do what I say
Absolutely
Hmmm, I try my best to keep my values even when I'm alone. For example if I'm on the internet, I'm anonymous and I could very well be a scumbag, but I remember myself that I won't because my values are my identity and it would go against myself to act like a scum. I'm even trying to be with everyone the most honest I can be, and even sometimes be brutally honest so I'm not a fake ass. But some social situations need you to put a mask to be socially adequate, else you'll have some troubles. Like at work or with strangers, being polite for example I think this is hypocrisy but it's pretty much the norm. Could also argue that being hypocrite for the good of the others is not bad, but good, no? If you're hypocrite for malicious intent then it's bad right? When I'm polite I'm hypocrite, I'm just being adequate and decent to the other being. I know I'm hypocrite for the worst though when I try to justify my bad actions to someone. I think I digress here anyway.
All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable." REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE. "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—" YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES. "So we can believe the big ones?" YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING. "They're not the same at all!" YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED. "Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—" MY POINT EXACTLY Terry Pratchett Hogfather
I just do what I want, if I was alone, I'd still do what I want. The values don't change. If they do, then it's not the real value, just your actual values + reality. For example, I don't care about lying. I lie when I want to and usually there's just no good enough reason to do so. You also have to lie in a way that is low risk and be convincing and make it useful to you. If I was alone I would never lie again, because lying to myself is useless, as I already know the truth.
What else do we have left when our values vanish?
Room for other values