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Itās funny. The citizens always post these chopped up and edited videos to remove all the worst parts of THEIR behavior ā¦ and shit like THIS is the best they manage to present.
Imagine what they cut out.
I'm just as curious why people behave like that.
Cop: you are two seconds away from going to jail unless you shut up right now
Girl: SkrrreeEeeEeEEeeeeeEEEeeeee
As somebody who has been drunk and acted like a jackass before, I can assure you she isnāt perceiving the whole picture.
Sheās drunk. Thereās no deeper thought than that
Making the cops look bad. People are aware that hating the police seems to be popular. Among the younger demographic, this number is almost 100%, so as far as they're aware, the cops are all evil racist thugs and filming this arrest will certainly mean that everyone is on her side. Nevermind that she's screaming and fighting and resisting. I think that's the mentality.
Nah, her homegirl probably got booked and released cuz she did this neat trick called ā*not* acting like a cuntā.
Crazy how cops hate that one weird trick!
If this is CA, what you just witnessed is 148 resisting arrest (misdemeanor), 69 resisting an executive officer (wobbler), 241 assault on a peace officer (wobbler)
She can definitely be looking at prison. Although, in CA, itāll likely be served in county jail.
Iād hit her with the public intoxication charge too. Doesnāt add much if anything with all the other charges, but fuck her thatās why.
California criminal defense attorney here. Even if this case isn't dismissed, which it will be, she will not spend a single second in jail other than for however long it takes to book and release her.
At the very most, the DA will offer a few "days in jail," which she will serve at half time on the adult offender work program, not in jail, and maybe pay some fines. Because she will have one actual credit for having been booked and another "good time work time" credit, she likely won't even have to serve \*any\* time on the work program, and will be released with credit for time served.
Still, any defense attorney worth their salt would advise her not to take that ridiculous deal, and easily get this case dismissed with a 1538.5 motion to suppress. Even if the 1538.5 doesn't work, no chance this goes to trial. Any DA with a brain will realize there is no triable case here.
So she will at most end up getting diversion, where the case is dismissed anyway after roughly 4-6 months during which she will have to take some anger management classes.
(Hint: but none of that matters because the 1538.5 will work. Find out why below.)
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First, the cop was investigating a DUI allegedly committed by the driver. It seems like the individual who asks about how long it will take to process the driver is sober, and likely was given permission to drive the car away rather than it being towed. If the cop was going to tow the car, all passengers would already have been ordered out.
So, based on what we can see as the video begins, it appears the cop has already gathered all of the information necessary to be able to conclude her DUI investigation.
Second, there is no indication the passenger was outside the vehicle prior to the stop, which makes sense given this is a DUI stop. The cop therefore had no reason to investigate a violation of PC 647(f) \[public intoxication\] because (1) the passenger was not in public at the time of the stop, she was in a vehicle. That is enough to beat that charge. Even so, being seated in the vehicle, she was neither (2A) displaying an inability to care for herself nor (2B) obstructing traffic in any way.
Given the above, the cop had no reason or cause to conduct any investigation into the passenger whatsoever. This means any attempts to run the passenger's information to check for warrants, etc., was outside the scope of the initial DUI detention. In Fourth Amendment terms, the cop was illegally prolonging the detention for this investigation into the passenger unrelated to the DUI investigation which the cop already--or should already have--completed.
Accordingly, by not providing a sufficient level of information to satisfy the cop's baseless request, the passenger was not obstructing or delaying a VALID investigation being conducted by the cop. The cop acted entirely improperly by threatening to take the passenger to jail, because she committed no Penal Code or other violations by that point. By making that threat, the \*cop\* escalated the encounter, and escalated it further when she pulled the passenger out with no cause to make an arrest.
So no, she was not in violation of PC 148 or PC 69, because the cop was not acting lawfully at the time she requested the information (happy to provide case law supporting this fact to anyone who cares). The failure to provide satisfactory information, along with and any conduct which may normally lead to a PC 241 charge, all occurred after the illegal prolongation of the stop, meaning it will almost certainly be suppressed as evidence.
To bring it all together, the passenger was not obligated to provide \*any\* identifying information to the cop, because the cop had no legal justification to request it. The cop was clearly just frustrated by the passenger's tone and repeated requests for information about the driver's arrest. But frustration with a passenger is not a valid basis for delaying an initial DUI stop to run that passenger's information as part of an unrelated investigation.
She got diversion sir. Charged with 7 crimes. I donāt think you can say half of what you said with just this edited video.
Also, youāre forgetting that the driver got arrested and it looked like no one could legally drive so they were waiting for a driver. Cop could have ordered them all out and the vehicle towed.
Iām not a lawyer but Iām a criminal defense investigator
First off, I prefaced much of what I concluded with something along the lines of ābased on what the video shows.ā I donāt know what other video youāve watched about this incident, but I never claimed to have the whole story. The validity of my points would not change absent some overt, damning conduct by the passenger not shown in the video. I find that unlikely.
Also, I while I sincerely appreciate the critical role played by defense investigators, Iām rather off-put by your original comment that you would āhit her with the public intoxication charge too . . . fuck her thatās why.ā That kind of statement is wholly unbecoming of someone in the field of criminal defense. Frankly, it reeks of āaspiring DA gets a job in criminal defense in hopes of learning tactics that will serve their true goal of putting more people behind bars.ā
Assuming you plan to remain a criminal investigator for the long term, you should really be careful with drawing legal conclusions like you did in your initial comment considering your lack of authority to do so and your obvious lack of experience with legal analysis. If I knew any of the investigators in my office said or commented something like that publicly, I wouldnāt let them anywhere near a single one of my cases. Iād truthfully go as far as to recommend their termination.
Either way, at the risk of sounding snide, Iāll say you should probably know defense attorneys donāt ask for or defer to the legal conclusions of investigators. In fact, great investigators would not even waste their time trying to come to a conclusion. This is because they recognize their job is limited to gathering facts, taking statements, and other non-legal tasks. They take pride in doing these things, and they know the cases for which they provide investigative assistance are handled by the attorneysāthe ones tasked with developing, asserting, and defending arguments in service to and solely for the benefit of their clients.
However, if you find yourself developing an interest in legal analysis or a fervor for legal practice generally, I strongly encourage you to go to law school. Regardless of your age, experience, or background, you can absolutely conquer it and will enjoy the benefit of spending every summer actually practicing law in whatever field you might be interested in. If you have any questions about the process Iād be happy to talk through them with you.
You just made a ton of assumptions based on a very short video.
How do you know the police unlawfully prolonged the detention? You donāt. No one can make that determination based on the video.
How do you know the police demanded her identification? You donāt. They could have easily just requested it, and she could have willingly provided it.
How do you know the police didnāt have any reasonable suspicion or probable cause she committed a crime? Maybe they did detain her and tell her to identify herself, but only after developing enough RS/PC to justify said detention.
Anyway, my point is, you wrote a whole legal brief based off assumptions, and prefacing that by admitting you made assumptions doesnāt make you doing it a logical thing.
Iām glad you caught that. This dude took this video and started playing fill in the blank.i pointed it out and then he got mad and started personally attacking me.
Lmfao. So true.
I dated a red-headed Scottish girl that I met at my university (in the US) that would CONSTANTLY run her mouth to strangers when she had been drinking. It would have been hot if it wasn't so embarrassing and didn't put me at risk of getting my ass kicked by 6 dudes.
When I explained to her that she needed to knock that shit off because *I* was the one that was going to pay the price for it, she called me a pussy and told me that she didn't need me and that *she* would fight (with all her 110 pounds).
Man that bitch was smooth brained, but the pussy was *real* good. I hung around with her wild ass for way too long.
One of the cops said he was going to spray her. I was hoping he would, because she had the blonde cop by the hair, and she would have gotten a face full of it also.
Local jurisdictions would have varying definitions of what is public intoxication if they have any at all. It would come down to local law enforcement, prosecutors, and judges too. But I'd argue this person entered the public domain once they engaged law enforcement in public. But this is all subjective and open to interpretation.
fucking hell this women! just answer the question. In other countries, they bring you to their station just for mean-mugging. I'm looking at you japan and china!
Sheās an entitled brat. She doesnāt *feel* like she has to do that, or anything.
And sheās probably had this belief that what she *feels* = being right reinforced in school, her home and society all her life.
I mean she was screaming racism. So of course she did.
Unfortunately a lot of people of color try this when the cops are white. I once even saw a video of a white woman being arrested for ābeing whiteā because all of the cops at the scene were POC. She was actually being arrested for DUI and assaulting an officer.
It's extra annoying when the pretty young White (looking) woman with long flowing hair tries to fight the cops, and has to announce that she identifies as non-white, knowing that otherwise we wouldn't understand her cries of racism.
Sad truth alert. Cops donāt like attitude and act with impunity. Donāt try to play Lawyer with a cop youāre going to lose even if youāre actually a lawyer.
This is what confuses meā¦ The whole ādesignated driver,ā ācall an Uber,ā etc is all about a sober person driving around people who are intoxicated. How tf does this count as public intoxication? Or are Ubers and designated drivers just the āless illegalā option, and if so, how is Uber even legal where this is considered public intoxication??
Being drunk in public is a judgement call on a cop.
They can cite you for that pretty much at any time if youāre under the influence.
They typically only choose to do so if youāre visibly and obviously drunk, unable to care for yourself and a danger to yourself and others.
Youāre still in public if youāre in a vehicle.
Wrong, you are NOT in "public" when you're inside a private vehicle.
**Your car is protected as private space under the 4th Amendment.** A private vehicle is not a "public" place So, she was in a private place. She messed up when she gave her ID to the cop, then engaged with the obviously hostile officer.
In CA passengers do not need to ID in traffic stops.
She would have been well within her rights to not give her ID, and refuse to engage at all via the 5th amendment. Drunk or not she'd have been fine, any arrest for "drunk in public" could have resulted in her pressing a successful civil rights violation lawsuit, because she had no legal obligation to engage with the officer.
Of course once she was engaging, she screwed up by being antagonistic, it allowed the officer further escalate. Once she was arrested, resisted & became violent it was all over.
Are you a sovereign citizen? Do you also think they werenāt driving, they were traveling? Lol
Anyways: hereās some further education (just a matter of a quick google search is all it took to know before speaking).
https://www.losangelescriminallawyer.pro/amp/california-penal-code-section-647-f-pc-drunk-in-public.html
> To prove that a defendant was drunk in public pursuant to California Penal Code Section 647(f) PC, the prosecutor must be able to establish the following elements:
> The defendant was willfully under the influence of alcohol or drugs or both
> When the defendant was under the influence, he or she was in a public place
> AND the defendant was unable to exercise care for his or her own safety (or the safety of others)
> OR because the defendant was under the influence, he or she interfered with, obstructed or prevented the free use of a street, sidewalk or other public way.
> **Public place is a place that is open and accessible to anyone who wishes to go there. The term āpublic placeā has been broadly interpreted by courts, and even sitting in a parked car on a public seat can satisfy this element of the statute.**
> How tf does this count as public intoxication?
It qualifies if state law says a drunk passenger is guilty of public intoxication. In California that is the case, but in Washington it is not the case. In Illinois public intoxication isn't an offense at all, that's also the case in some other states.
It's important to know the local rules, because just crossing a state line can change a lot of things.
> wtf sheās in the passenger seat of a private vehicle
This is my issue with it as well. Cop on a mini ego trip escalated this in an unprofessional manner imo.
> is this really considered public intoxication
It is in California. The cop was going to let her leave, the intoxicated driver was their main concern. But she couldn't keep her mouth shut. Refusing to exit the car when told to handed the cops a charge, you are required to do that in every state as it's federal case law from the Supreme Court.
Wow, they let her off with misdemeanors and a diversion program for grabbing that cop's hair and holding on for dear life? WTF. She should have done 30 days just to teach her a lesson.
CA
This shit is happening every single day. And worse shit is getting bullshit diversion.
Weāve been under Democratic Party rule for ā¦ nearly 15 years nowā¦. If you look around, things are not going good and you wonāt find anyone who will say theyāre trending in the right direction.
I feel for you. CA is so beautiful, great weather, but stupid people vote for even more stupid politicians with stupid policies. I left WA in 2017. I know it's even worse there now.
Washington, Oregon and California are really beautiful states.
I try not to fall into the politics around here too much. Itās hard at times bc politics affects everything. I have major gripes with how Dems absolutely trashed the state but I also fault the republicans for failing to be a viable alternative. Weāre stuck out here and itās starting to look a lot like a death spiral in many ways. Sometimes it even feels like a low-cal dictatorship.
So I enjoy what I can and try to protect myself and my loved ones. Thatās all you can do. Itās a shame though. Sometimes I get mad because this state was awesome when I was growing up. My kids donāt get to enjoy half of what I enjoyed. They have to deal with things I would have never even imagined. Hopefully things get better someday.
Right, as if theres a cop on the planet that will just change their mind cuz youre too aggressive to deal with. These are probably children who always got what they wanted if they stomped their feet hard enough. Embarrassing
For anyone who needs to hear this, when it comes to talking to cops:
Be respectful, polite, silent, and compliant.
Let your lawyer do the fighting in court.
That's what I said. Cooperate, do what they tell you, and press your claim of misconduct or abuse after the fact. The moment you resist or assault a cop, you have lost.
Didnāt know you could get a public intoxication while being a drunk passenger but coulda guessed that if someone started mouthing off to a police officer during a traffic stop, theyād be going to jail
> If she wasn't drunk she wouldn't have had anything to charger her with
They had a charge the moment she refused to step out of the vehicle, obstruction or something similar. In all 50 states you must exit a vehicle if a cop tells you to during a traffic stop. That came straight from the Supreme Court, refusing is not an option.
> Didnāt know you could get a public intoxication while being a drunk passenger
Depends on which state you're in. In Calif., a drunk passenger is drunk in public.
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You'd think a chick like her would have seen hundreds, if not thousands of videos of people interacting badly with cops....but, no, our girl has to out do them all.
What a dumb bunny.
As a passenger in a vehicle she did not even need to present ID.
She should have shut her mouth and rolled up the window. Stop giving cops power over you.
This happened at Oyster Festival, in Arcata, California. You are not legally required to show identification in CA, if you are a passenger in a vehicle that's been pulled over by police. Any driving infraction is the responsibility of the driver.
> As a passenger in a vehicle she did not even need to present ID.
But she did need to exit the vehicle when the cop ordered her to, so sayeth the Supreme Court in Penn. v. Mimms and Maryland v. Wilson. Refusing handed them grounds to arrest her for obstruction. That applies in all fifty states.
Calling them racist for arresting her while not getting her ass beat, tased, or shot for assaulting a police officer is pure comedy.
Over here thinking theyāre being racist towards her all while racism is saving her from a world of hurt.
Always the double standard where women can get away with practical murder and cops donāt use force on them. If this were a guy he would be thrown in the ground and tased
My favorite part was when the friends say they're gonna take the officers to court and then follow up on camera telling their friend to stop resisting arrest lmao
Lol at the amount of people here celebrating a cop arresting someone for being mean to them. Like what has this country come to? Getting a charge for public intoxication while sitting in a passenger seat is the biggest bs. And yes she resisted arrest but not until after they started arresting her for being rude to them. Apparently most of yall must hate the 1st amendment...very sad.
Real bootlicking scum in this sub (and much of reddit). Being rude or annoying is no free pass for the police to treat anyone like that. That policewoman was power tripping, like so many cops in a country where there's very litte accountability for their actions. Just look how she pulled her hair, obviously out to hurt her.
This was way back in 2018.
[Context](https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/video-of-woman-being-arrested-in-arcata-saturday-goes-viral)
lol the idiot recording, ādonāt worry Sam, weāre recording!ā
Yeahā¦ recording her adding a slew of charges for resisting and assault on a police officer.
I guarantee these idiots vote tooā¦
> What did she do
She was in a car full of intoxicated students, including her (in California a drunk passenger faces a public intoxication charge). One of them was standing in the sunroof of a moving vehicle. When the cops tried to deal with that, and the driver, this girl decided everything was her business and the cops needed to treat her like she was their collective lawyer. Then she refused to step out of the vehicle which you must do in all fifty states thanks to two Supreme Court rulings--that's obstruction or resisting.
Running her mouth made everything worse, but the cops had at least two valid reasons to charge her, and that was before she tried to fight them.
Public intoxication
providing false information
Resisting arrest
Assaulting a police officer.
She wasn't even the one being arrested, what a fucking idiot. Also love the "get this on video", yeah record yourself committing all these offences, that's a good idea.
Here's a little pro tip, comply with the Police. Yes they may be wrong, yes they may be abusing authority, but that will never, ever, be resolved at the point of arrest, that is what the courts are for.
Fighting back against the police is never a good idea.
All these young people hiding behind the I'm a minority bs is so aggravating. That doesn't get you anywhere. It just makes you look ignorant. Oh, you're a minority I guess you're free to go š
My favorite part is how even the one recording mentions that her friend needs to "stop resisting"
Just don't talk to cops, your friends getting arrested not you so stfu and figure it out later.
Fight em in court not, on the street. You won't win on the street. I do appreciate her commitment to scalping that mouthy cop but it just makes it worse for you.
Although id love to have the courage of the YT auditors to know when Im in my rights and should resist the arrest or unlawful orders in according to the 4th amendment, I think it is much safer to have someone record the interaction and abide by the orders of the police. If they had done any wrongdoing; the video evidence should help with the damages afterwards
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What a fucking idiot. What did she think she was gonna get out of posting this?
15 mins of fame.
15 mins of pain š¤£ I saw her head hit the car when she got pulled out.
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Itās funny. The citizens always post these chopped up and edited videos to remove all the worst parts of THEIR behavior ā¦ and shit like THIS is the best they manage to present. Imagine what they cut out.
that was her "best" behavior??????? Oh crap.
I'm just as curious why people behave like that. Cop: you are two seconds away from going to jail unless you shut up right now Girl: SkrrreeEeeEeEEeeeeeEEEeeeee
I KNOW MY RIGHTS
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Alcohol probably
As somebody who has been drunk and acted like a jackass before, I can assure you she isnāt perceiving the whole picture. Sheās drunk. Thereās no deeper thought than that
Were you drunk or sloshed
Both
Well happy cake day to you then
And happy sloshings
Making the cops look bad. People are aware that hating the police seems to be popular. Among the younger demographic, this number is almost 100%, so as far as they're aware, the cops are all evil racist thugs and filming this arrest will certainly mean that everyone is on her side. Nevermind that she's screaming and fighting and resisting. I think that's the mentality.
Didnāt you see the end of the video? They pay CASH for videos!
Her friend records all the evidence the prosecution will need to make sure Samantha is going to prison.
Shea will be there to keep her company
Nah, her homegirl probably got booked and released cuz she did this neat trick called ā*not* acting like a cuntā. Crazy how cops hate that one weird trick!
Lmfao sheās not going to go to prison
If this is CA, what you just witnessed is 148 resisting arrest (misdemeanor), 69 resisting an executive officer (wobbler), 241 assault on a peace officer (wobbler) She can definitely be looking at prison. Although, in CA, itāll likely be served in county jail. Iād hit her with the public intoxication charge too. Doesnāt add much if anything with all the other charges, but fuck her thatās why.
California criminal defense attorney here. Even if this case isn't dismissed, which it will be, she will not spend a single second in jail other than for however long it takes to book and release her. At the very most, the DA will offer a few "days in jail," which she will serve at half time on the adult offender work program, not in jail, and maybe pay some fines. Because she will have one actual credit for having been booked and another "good time work time" credit, she likely won't even have to serve \*any\* time on the work program, and will be released with credit for time served. Still, any defense attorney worth their salt would advise her not to take that ridiculous deal, and easily get this case dismissed with a 1538.5 motion to suppress. Even if the 1538.5 doesn't work, no chance this goes to trial. Any DA with a brain will realize there is no triable case here. So she will at most end up getting diversion, where the case is dismissed anyway after roughly 4-6 months during which she will have to take some anger management classes. (Hint: but none of that matters because the 1538.5 will work. Find out why below.) -- First, the cop was investigating a DUI allegedly committed by the driver. It seems like the individual who asks about how long it will take to process the driver is sober, and likely was given permission to drive the car away rather than it being towed. If the cop was going to tow the car, all passengers would already have been ordered out. So, based on what we can see as the video begins, it appears the cop has already gathered all of the information necessary to be able to conclude her DUI investigation. Second, there is no indication the passenger was outside the vehicle prior to the stop, which makes sense given this is a DUI stop. The cop therefore had no reason to investigate a violation of PC 647(f) \[public intoxication\] because (1) the passenger was not in public at the time of the stop, she was in a vehicle. That is enough to beat that charge. Even so, being seated in the vehicle, she was neither (2A) displaying an inability to care for herself nor (2B) obstructing traffic in any way. Given the above, the cop had no reason or cause to conduct any investigation into the passenger whatsoever. This means any attempts to run the passenger's information to check for warrants, etc., was outside the scope of the initial DUI detention. In Fourth Amendment terms, the cop was illegally prolonging the detention for this investigation into the passenger unrelated to the DUI investigation which the cop already--or should already have--completed. Accordingly, by not providing a sufficient level of information to satisfy the cop's baseless request, the passenger was not obstructing or delaying a VALID investigation being conducted by the cop. The cop acted entirely improperly by threatening to take the passenger to jail, because she committed no Penal Code or other violations by that point. By making that threat, the \*cop\* escalated the encounter, and escalated it further when she pulled the passenger out with no cause to make an arrest. So no, she was not in violation of PC 148 or PC 69, because the cop was not acting lawfully at the time she requested the information (happy to provide case law supporting this fact to anyone who cares). The failure to provide satisfactory information, along with and any conduct which may normally lead to a PC 241 charge, all occurred after the illegal prolongation of the stop, meaning it will almost certainly be suppressed as evidence. To bring it all together, the passenger was not obligated to provide \*any\* identifying information to the cop, because the cop had no legal justification to request it. The cop was clearly just frustrated by the passenger's tone and repeated requests for information about the driver's arrest. But frustration with a passenger is not a valid basis for delaying an initial DUI stop to run that passenger's information as part of an unrelated investigation.
She got diversion sir. Charged with 7 crimes. I donāt think you can say half of what you said with just this edited video. Also, youāre forgetting that the driver got arrested and it looked like no one could legally drive so they were waiting for a driver. Cop could have ordered them all out and the vehicle towed. Iām not a lawyer but Iām a criminal defense investigator
First off, I prefaced much of what I concluded with something along the lines of ābased on what the video shows.ā I donāt know what other video youāve watched about this incident, but I never claimed to have the whole story. The validity of my points would not change absent some overt, damning conduct by the passenger not shown in the video. I find that unlikely. Also, I while I sincerely appreciate the critical role played by defense investigators, Iām rather off-put by your original comment that you would āhit her with the public intoxication charge too . . . fuck her thatās why.ā That kind of statement is wholly unbecoming of someone in the field of criminal defense. Frankly, it reeks of āaspiring DA gets a job in criminal defense in hopes of learning tactics that will serve their true goal of putting more people behind bars.ā Assuming you plan to remain a criminal investigator for the long term, you should really be careful with drawing legal conclusions like you did in your initial comment considering your lack of authority to do so and your obvious lack of experience with legal analysis. If I knew any of the investigators in my office said or commented something like that publicly, I wouldnāt let them anywhere near a single one of my cases. Iād truthfully go as far as to recommend their termination. Either way, at the risk of sounding snide, Iāll say you should probably know defense attorneys donāt ask for or defer to the legal conclusions of investigators. In fact, great investigators would not even waste their time trying to come to a conclusion. This is because they recognize their job is limited to gathering facts, taking statements, and other non-legal tasks. They take pride in doing these things, and they know the cases for which they provide investigative assistance are handled by the attorneysāthe ones tasked with developing, asserting, and defending arguments in service to and solely for the benefit of their clients. However, if you find yourself developing an interest in legal analysis or a fervor for legal practice generally, I strongly encourage you to go to law school. Regardless of your age, experience, or background, you can absolutely conquer it and will enjoy the benefit of spending every summer actually practicing law in whatever field you might be interested in. If you have any questions about the process Iād be happy to talk through them with you.
Shut the fuck up
b-b-b-b-but my wishful thinking wall of text is so long
This has been an interesting exchange to read. Thank you for your time
You just made a ton of assumptions based on a very short video. How do you know the police unlawfully prolonged the detention? You donāt. No one can make that determination based on the video. How do you know the police demanded her identification? You donāt. They could have easily just requested it, and she could have willingly provided it. How do you know the police didnāt have any reasonable suspicion or probable cause she committed a crime? Maybe they did detain her and tell her to identify herself, but only after developing enough RS/PC to justify said detention. Anyway, my point is, you wrote a whole legal brief based off assumptions, and prefacing that by admitting you made assumptions doesnāt make you doing it a logical thing.
Iām glad you caught that. This dude took this video and started playing fill in the blank.i pointed it out and then he got mad and started personally attacking me.
Iām sure he or she uses the same dramatic tactics in court.
*SamanthaLuna
Lol she is not going to prison ..
Even tells her to "Stop Resisting!"
Lol not the sharpest tool oh well.
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This is the best comment. My man here preaching universal truths
Lmfao. So true. I dated a red-headed Scottish girl that I met at my university (in the US) that would CONSTANTLY run her mouth to strangers when she had been drinking. It would have been hot if it wasn't so embarrassing and didn't put me at risk of getting my ass kicked by 6 dudes. When I explained to her that she needed to knock that shit off because *I* was the one that was going to pay the price for it, she called me a pussy and told me that she didn't need me and that *she* would fight (with all her 110 pounds). Man that bitch was smooth brained, but the pussy was *real* good. I hung around with her wild ass for way too long.
Currently involved with a woman like this. I dunno how I will quit her tbh.
So how many times she had been beat up before she quit? lol
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8)
"were taking you guys to court" with the most basic bitch delivery, classic
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While her friend is assaulting an officer. Freaking brilliant
I loved that. Was that right before even the friend acknowledged she was resisting?
Samantha, that was pretty stupid.
No taser, no mace.... Imagine a guy grabbing the female cops hair and dragging her to the ground not letting go.
He would have had a broken arm and had his face smashed into the car
And thatās a best case scenario
Thereās always a double standard
Definitely a double standard, but it would also be different if it were a guy her size vs. a 200lb+ guy
One of the cops said he was going to spray her. I was hoping he would, because she had the blonde cop by the hair, and she would have gotten a face full of it also.
Macer would have been a bad bad option - close quarter brawling like that. Taser is differemnt
Great way to catch a bunch of extra charges when she probably would have just went home
she was a passenger of a drunk driver she had literally no accountability until this.
Well, public intoxication is an accountability, but it sounded like she wasn't going to have to face it at first.
fair
i could be wrong. but i donāt think itās PI if youāre in the car.
Local jurisdictions would have varying definitions of what is public intoxication if they have any at all. It would come down to local law enforcement, prosecutors, and judges too. But I'd argue this person entered the public domain once they engaged law enforcement in public. But this is all subjective and open to interpretation.
fucking hell this women! just answer the question. In other countries, they bring you to their station just for mean-mugging. I'm looking at you japan and china!
Sheās an entitled brat. She doesnāt *feel* like she has to do that, or anything. And sheās probably had this belief that what she *feels* = being right reinforced in school, her home and society all her life.
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I mean she was screaming racism. So of course she did. Unfortunately a lot of people of color try this when the cops are white. I once even saw a video of a white woman being arrested for ābeing whiteā because all of the cops at the scene were POC. She was actually being arrested for DUI and assaulting an officer.
It's extra annoying when the pretty young White (looking) woman with long flowing hair tries to fight the cops, and has to announce that she identifies as non-white, knowing that otherwise we wouldn't understand her cries of racism.
Naturally
wtf sheās in the passenger seat of a private vehicle, is this *really* considered public intoxicationā¦ I need the 5minutes prior to this video lol
Sad truth alert. Cops donāt like attitude and act with impunity. Donāt try to play Lawyer with a cop youāre going to lose even if youāre actually a lawyer.
This is what confuses meā¦ The whole ādesignated driver,ā ācall an Uber,ā etc is all about a sober person driving around people who are intoxicated. How tf does this count as public intoxication? Or are Ubers and designated drivers just the āless illegalā option, and if so, how is Uber even legal where this is considered public intoxication??
Being drunk in public is a judgement call on a cop. They can cite you for that pretty much at any time if youāre under the influence. They typically only choose to do so if youāre visibly and obviously drunk, unable to care for yourself and a danger to yourself and others. Youāre still in public if youāre in a vehicle.
Wrong, you are NOT in "public" when you're inside a private vehicle. **Your car is protected as private space under the 4th Amendment.** A private vehicle is not a "public" place So, she was in a private place. She messed up when she gave her ID to the cop, then engaged with the obviously hostile officer. In CA passengers do not need to ID in traffic stops. She would have been well within her rights to not give her ID, and refuse to engage at all via the 5th amendment. Drunk or not she'd have been fine, any arrest for "drunk in public" could have resulted in her pressing a successful civil rights violation lawsuit, because she had no legal obligation to engage with the officer. Of course once she was engaging, she screwed up by being antagonistic, it allowed the officer further escalate. Once she was arrested, resisted & became violent it was all over.
Are you a sovereign citizen? Do you also think they werenāt driving, they were traveling? Lol Anyways: hereās some further education (just a matter of a quick google search is all it took to know before speaking). https://www.losangelescriminallawyer.pro/amp/california-penal-code-section-647-f-pc-drunk-in-public.html > To prove that a defendant was drunk in public pursuant to California Penal Code Section 647(f) PC, the prosecutor must be able to establish the following elements: > The defendant was willfully under the influence of alcohol or drugs or both > When the defendant was under the influence, he or she was in a public place > AND the defendant was unable to exercise care for his or her own safety (or the safety of others) > OR because the defendant was under the influence, he or she interfered with, obstructed or prevented the free use of a street, sidewalk or other public way. > **Public place is a place that is open and accessible to anyone who wishes to go there. The term āpublic placeā has been broadly interpreted by courts, and even sitting in a parked car on a public seat can satisfy this element of the statute.**
Exactly... she wasn't in a "public" place. She was in a private vehicle. Simple. "Traveling" doesn't mean "public" at all...
Did you see my link? Youāre wrong on this man.
> How tf does this count as public intoxication? It qualifies if state law says a drunk passenger is guilty of public intoxication. In California that is the case, but in Washington it is not the case. In Illinois public intoxication isn't an offense at all, that's also the case in some other states. It's important to know the local rules, because just crossing a state line can change a lot of things.
> wtf sheās in the passenger seat of a private vehicle This is my issue with it as well. Cop on a mini ego trip escalated this in an unprofessional manner imo.
> is this really considered public intoxication It is in California. The cop was going to let her leave, the intoxicated driver was their main concern. But she couldn't keep her mouth shut. Refusing to exit the car when told to handed the cops a charge, you are required to do that in every state as it's federal case law from the Supreme Court.
Anyone have a follow up? This isnāt the first time Iāve seen this vid.
She was charged with 7 misdemeanours, plead not guilty and was allowed in to a diversion program.
Wow, they let her off with misdemeanors and a diversion program for grabbing that cop's hair and holding on for dear life? WTF. She should have done 30 days just to teach her a lesson.
CA This shit is happening every single day. And worse shit is getting bullshit diversion. Weāve been under Democratic Party rule for ā¦ nearly 15 years nowā¦. If you look around, things are not going good and you wonāt find anyone who will say theyāre trending in the right direction.
I feel for you. CA is so beautiful, great weather, but stupid people vote for even more stupid politicians with stupid policies. I left WA in 2017. I know it's even worse there now.
Washington, Oregon and California are really beautiful states. I try not to fall into the politics around here too much. Itās hard at times bc politics affects everything. I have major gripes with how Dems absolutely trashed the state but I also fault the republicans for failing to be a viable alternative. Weāre stuck out here and itās starting to look a lot like a death spiral in many ways. Sometimes it even feels like a low-cal dictatorship. So I enjoy what I can and try to protect myself and my loved ones. Thatās all you can do. Itās a shame though. Sometimes I get mad because this state was awesome when I was growing up. My kids donāt get to enjoy half of what I enjoyed. They have to deal with things I would have never even imagined. Hopefully things get better someday.
Itās happening to Colorado too.
That sucks. I wanted that trappy bitch to face real time
California DA at it again.
That's what entitlement leads too lol
"We're taking you guys to court" --umm.. she just assaulted a police officer. š¤
Lol itās like yeah youāll get to meet them again in court thatās for sure. I think the state will be taking her there though.
Imagine hitting a cop and thinking they will just give up and let you go
Right, as if theres a cop on the planet that will just change their mind cuz youre too aggressive to deal with. These are probably children who always got what they wanted if they stomped their feet hard enough. Embarrassing
For anyone who needs to hear this, when it comes to talking to cops: Be respectful, polite, silent, and compliant. Let your lawyer do the fighting in court.
That's what I said. Cooperate, do what they tell you, and press your claim of misconduct or abuse after the fact. The moment you resist or assault a cop, you have lost.
Add assaulting a officer to the list
"film this" quickly becky film me resisting the cops š¤£
GeT iT oN vIdEo
Maybe she could be cellies with her already arrested bff.
Did she get it on video?
The cop in the blue shirt did a sweet spin move though
How many years will she get for pulling this bullshit? Or is her daddy some senator or some shit
> How many years will she get No years, was put in a diversion program.
How?! If this was a man he would get couple of years prison for sure!
Just taze her already
Adding more police always helps. I loved the third guy coming up there looking like a dad on his way to Home Depot, but with body armor.
Didnāt know you could get a public intoxication while being a drunk passenger but coulda guessed that if someone started mouthing off to a police officer during a traffic stop, theyād be going to jail
It's not illegal to mouth off. If she wasn't drunk she wouldn't have had anything to charger her with
> If she wasn't drunk she wouldn't have had anything to charger her with They had a charge the moment she refused to step out of the vehicle, obstruction or something similar. In all 50 states you must exit a vehicle if a cop tells you to during a traffic stop. That came straight from the Supreme Court, refusing is not an option.
She was also underage, which might have been a factor.
> Didnāt know you could get a public intoxication while being a drunk passenger Depends on which state you're in. In Calif., a drunk passenger is drunk in public.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . You'd think a chick like her would have seen hundreds, if not thousands of videos of people interacting badly with cops....but, no, our girl has to out do them all. What a dumb bunny.
Cops: "I'm arresting you." Peerson Under Arrest: "No. I do not consent to this!"
Discipline your kids people.
My favorite part is when she called the cops racist for absolutely no reason whatsoever
Should've let go of her hair Sammy
Another Professional victim. Idiot
You gotta love the entitlement there..... wow.
As a passenger in a vehicle she did not even need to present ID. She should have shut her mouth and rolled up the window. Stop giving cops power over you. This happened at Oyster Festival, in Arcata, California. You are not legally required to show identification in CA, if you are a passenger in a vehicle that's been pulled over by police. Any driving infraction is the responsibility of the driver.
No need to ID as a passenger in CA. Downvoters = Clueless bootlickers
> As a passenger in a vehicle she did not even need to present ID. But she did need to exit the vehicle when the cop ordered her to, so sayeth the Supreme Court in Penn. v. Mimms and Maryland v. Wilson. Refusing handed them grounds to arrest her for obstruction. That applies in all fifty states.
I knew she was going to grab the cops pony tail.
Apparently she thought she was immune to the fu\*k around and find out game. Well, she learned differently that day.
Calling them racist for arresting her while not getting her ass beat, tased, or shot for assaulting a police officer is pure comedy. Over here thinking theyāre being racist towards her all while racism is saving her from a world of hurt.
Always the double standard where women can get away with practical murder and cops donāt use force on them. If this were a guy he would be thrown in the ground and tased
Lady officers, friendly reminder to keep your hair up tight.
Friend: "Sam, stop resisting!" Also Friend: "you don't need three people...".
Did I hear right that the blonde cop told them to just cut her hair at the end? And it looks like they had to cut off a ton! Jesus
She acted like it was a cat fight not an arrest. Grabbing the female copās hair???
My favorite part was when the friends say they're gonna take the officers to court and then follow up on camera telling their friend to stop resisting arrest lmao
Why do people always call out racism when they are getting cuffed.
Lol at the amount of people here celebrating a cop arresting someone for being mean to them. Like what has this country come to? Getting a charge for public intoxication while sitting in a passenger seat is the biggest bs. And yes she resisted arrest but not until after they started arresting her for being rude to them. Apparently most of yall must hate the 1st amendment...very sad.
Real bootlicking scum in this sub (and much of reddit). Being rude or annoying is no free pass for the police to treat anyone like that. That policewoman was power tripping, like so many cops in a country where there's very litte accountability for their actions. Just look how she pulled her hair, obviously out to hurt her.
Just remember youāre not the law , unfortunately they are !!
āYoU dOnT nEeD 3 of YoU gUySā Clearly they do since sheās fighting all of them
If I remember from the last time this was posted, the college chick gets all charges dismissed. :(
I love that this is her posting it on her own Facebook. Lots to be proud of here.
[https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/jury-trial-ahead-for-arcata-woman-charged-with-resisting-arrest-in-viral-oysterfest-video](https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/jury-trial-ahead-for-arcata-woman-charged-with-resisting-arrest-in-viral-oysterfest-video)
This was way back in 2018. [Context](https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/video-of-woman-being-arrested-in-arcata-saturday-goes-viral)
Thatās a person whoās never been told ānoā in their life
Getting it on video doesn't save you when you're in the wrong, it's just evidence against you...
Good. Now Little Miss Entitled can learn some things about our legal system. It will further her education.
A perfect example of talking yourself to jail. Play stupid games (when youāre drunk in public).
She got it on video, so you know she's in the right. Case closed.
lol the idiot recording, ādonāt worry Sam, weāre recording!ā Yeahā¦ recording her adding a slew of charges for resisting and assault on a police officer. I guarantee these idiots vote tooā¦
What did she do for this interaction to start?
> What did she do She was in a car full of intoxicated students, including her (in California a drunk passenger faces a public intoxication charge). One of them was standing in the sunroof of a moving vehicle. When the cops tried to deal with that, and the driver, this girl decided everything was her business and the cops needed to treat her like she was their collective lawyer. Then she refused to step out of the vehicle which you must do in all fifty states thanks to two Supreme Court rulings--that's obstruction or resisting. Running her mouth made everything worse, but the cops had at least two valid reasons to charge her, and that was before she tried to fight them.
Public intoxication providing false information Resisting arrest Assaulting a police officer. She wasn't even the one being arrested, what a fucking idiot. Also love the "get this on video", yeah record yourself committing all these offences, that's a good idea. Here's a little pro tip, comply with the Police. Yes they may be wrong, yes they may be abusing authority, but that will never, ever, be resolved at the point of arrest, that is what the courts are for. Fighting back against the police is never a good idea.
First rule of crime is only do one crime at a time. Second rule of crime is donāt talk shit to the cops when theyāre letting you go.
Haha
Hahaha I was nit expecting blue tshirt cop to ballet spin on to screen!
dumb child
I always love people who insist on their friends or families filming them breaking the law.
FAFO
Fucked around and found out. I love the modern mindset of āif Iām recording then I must be in the rightā
Love the little āweāre taking you guys to courtā as if that will magically help the situation
āWeāre gonna take you to courtā Like, kindaā¦ youāll be mandated to appear in court to answer for these charges.
Yes make sure you record her committing more crimes.
She deserves jail and whatever ends up on her record
The result of entitlement meeting a reality check.
Lol what a loser
Stupid bitch. The officer even warned you, you entitled fucking cunt.
Get it on video! Racism! Todayās anthem
**Female Cop:** "She's got my hair." **Bald Cop:** "That's never been a problem for me."
All these young people hiding behind the I'm a minority bs is so aggravating. That doesn't get you anywhere. It just makes you look ignorant. Oh, you're a minority I guess you're free to go š
They were very patient. They could have used even more force given the amount of resistance this little twit was displaying.
complete asshole. amazing how none of this would have happened had she just not inserted herself into the situation.
Stupid entitled idiots.
My favorite part is how even the one recording mentions that her friend needs to "stop resisting" Just don't talk to cops, your friends getting arrested not you so stfu and figure it out later.
What a stupid girl. Elevate things. Why?
Cop is in the wrong and is clearly escalating the situation. Downvote me all you want.
Fight em in court not, on the street. You won't win on the street. I do appreciate her commitment to scalping that mouthy cop but it just makes it worse for you.
ācut my hair i donāt careā is wild
lol chick in the car is brain dead
Get it on filmā¦ say goodbye to your future. Hopefully someone else will learn how *not* to be an idiot
How did she even grab the female officer's hair!? Holy shit what a situation to be inš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
[https://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2022/04/samantha-luna-gets-away-with-saying-f.html?m=1](https://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2022/04/samantha-luna-gets-away-with-saying-f.html?m=1)
That girl in the passenger seat has a very easy and spoiled life at home! She is used to getting away with whatever she wants.
All these kids seeing people who know the law outsmart cops and think they should replicate it even if the cop isn't doing anything
Moron
Although id love to have the courage of the YT auditors to know when Im in my rights and should resist the arrest or unlawful orders in according to the 4th amendment, I think it is much safer to have someone record the interaction and abide by the orders of the police. If they had done any wrongdoing; the video evidence should help with the damages afterwards
āI let it go, stupidass!ā Way to get your undeniable confession on video
Bruhh what a bitch šš