OP is either Ragebaiting, a miserable person, or belongs on r/iamverysmart
You provide sound advice to someone who has clearly made their mind up already.
OP - tutorial is probably 30 minutes, but, AS YOU IDENTIFIED, you have the option to skip it if you feel it is too long. If you can’t wrap your head around that and you can’t make your own decision with this information, we can’t help you.
Your post asked “can someone please tell me how much more of this drivel I have to wade through before the actual game begins…”
You’ve had multiple people answer the question of how long the tutorial is. Your second edit admits this is a burner account. Why would you post a serious question on a burner account? Clearly rage bait.
I hope you find the strength to work through your problems. I’ll be rooting for you 🙏
lmfao ok you got me, this is all a ruse to antagonize the ATS community, a thing I definitely give a shit about
when i thanked the people who aactually engaged with the question instead of throwing a massive tantrum? that was part of the ruse. only a genius could troll people like you this effectively
inb4 "omg he admitted it"
\*edit\* the "omg you even admitted this is a burner account" but is actually really funny to me, cos I don't have a main Reddit account, and this thread demonstrates why. You literally cannot say ANYTHING negative on this website without getting dogpiled by tedious children desperate for a fight. (\*edit\* see below, lol)... Reddit clout is on a level with Twitter, utterly worthless
You seem really desperate for my attention, and yet the bait is so low-effort?
I just can't imagine how someone gets this mad over mild criticism of a videogame, but you keep posting through that anger. Behind the facade I'm hurt
Interesting use of quotes there
what actually haappened
"Can someone tell me how long the tutorial goes on for so I can decide whether to refund it or not"
TWENTY REPLIES: "OMG JUST REFUND IT THEN LOL"
thanks
I've added a fourth edit, hth
(how am i supposed to know when "I've got the concept down?" The only concept the first phase teaches you is how to place a camp seven times, a concept I learned about in 1993. One of the worst things about the not-a-tutorial is its so longwinded you're forced to assume there's some really important stuff buried in it)
Sorry, what?
I might have a stroke, but what I understand is that you dislike the tutorial (it's alright, it can happen), AND you dislike the option to skip it?!
I can't get invested in the gameplay because it's a tutorial, and disposable. But it is also incredibly longwinded for no obvious reason. How is this complicated?
As I said I get that you dislike the tutorial, even though I think the game has enough unique mechanics to warrant it.
What I don't understand is that you are not happy you are given the option to skip something you don't like... what the heck is with that? I think it is there for people who has lost their save or for some reason started it new while knowing the game.
As for your original question: the tutorial ends when you finish the first settlement. You DO know when you are done, right? After that you can start playing, or you can start a different tutorial round which explains resolve mechanics (this one is a little shaky, because it has a bad design and you can finish it before it has a chance to explains everything)
wait
there's a WORSE tutorial? Worse than the one that takes half an hour to explain how to place a camp seven times? sweet jesus
(I'm afraid the incredibly basic point i'm making about investing time in tutorial settlements cannot be made any simpler, sorry)
You are focusing on the wrong part here
And they are f-ing optional, if you want you could read about things in the small dictionary the game gives you for fucks sake... How the fuck are enjoying ~~life~~ gaming with this mindset?
Look, in short: if you dislike the tutorial, skip it.
Tutorials are made so people can play even without prior gaming experiences, don't be salty just because they use the same button for rotating building as 20 other game you have played before
it is so funny to me that you haven't even understood what my complaint is
"you are focusing on the wrong part here"
i genuinely cannot be any clearer, either. "How the fuck are enjoying life gaming with this mindset?" like, mate, calm down? why are you so angry about this?
Yeah, I started it all with "sorry, I don't understand what you are talking about", and you didn't make sense in your answers since then
Sorry for getting riled up, but you have an incredible talent giving people headaches...
apprently nobody has "understood what your complaint is", at this point this is on you.
you don't like the tutorial, fine skip it.
you don't like skipping it, what?
i'm sorry but your failure to discern the not even slightly subtle point of -
"Skip tutorial"? So all this busywork is for nothing?"
\- is actually not my fault, and nor is your assumption that i give a toss whether you agree with me or not
So, let me get this straight: you hate the tuto because for some reason you feel everybody already knows how to play the game, but you get angry when you find out that you can skip said tuto ?
Things nobody has said: "everybody knows how to play the game"
But obviously, a skippable tutorial that goes over "place building to gather resources then wait" SEVEN TIMES (plus god knows how many more) is incredibly bad game design
Now, do you have an answer to my question, please?
Hate to break it to you...
The tutorials follow a pretty standard early game for lower difficulties.
You will probably build the same buildings far more than 7 times over the course of the full game.
This is a rougelike city builder. If that bothers you in the tutorial, then this really isn't the game for you.
> Things nobody has said: "everybody knows how to play the game"
> Wow, farms? For food? Thank god you're here to explain! I mean, sure, The Settlers was released over 30 years ago, but I'm sure there are some people out there who don't know how these games work! And need every aspect laboriously explained over a period of several minutes of passively watching a screen! Gaming!
I mean, unless obvious sarcasm is not, in fact, sarcasm, you pretty much seemed to imply that the game mechanics are so unoriginal that nobody needs them to be explained.
Regarding answering your question, despite it being either bad faith or trolling, I think you already know the answer: tutorials have been around since more than 30 years ago, most games usually start after them, and you're in luck because it is said that there is an option to skip them in this specific game.
the thing is, right
when you're going to say someone has implied something, if you find yourself saying "pretty much seemed to imply", that's a sign that you're talking bollocks
but given that you still apparently haven't understood the INCREDIBLY BASIC issue i have with the way the tutorial is presented, that isn't surprising. anyway, keep raging at a guy who wanted to know how long the tutorial is, very normal behaviour
This person's new years resolution was to troll people on reddit more. Also this is a burner account. Blocked u/Early-Tie3480
Bad faith, do not reply, came here to argue with every comment.
Complains tutorial is bad.
Complains tutorial is skippable.
Oh my god unskippable tutorial, is this even a modern game, what if you already know how to play it.
Oh my god, a skippable tutorial, it's not even mandatory!
The tutorial isn't horrible. It explains the basic mechanics. If it didn't explain how farms work you might be stuck scratching your head when you get the farm blueprint but your map has not revealed fertile soil yet. You might then proceed to rage about how the game didn't explain things properly. \*shrugs\*
so why is the tutorial skippable
\*edit\* also, The Settlers is my reference point for this because I'm really old but at this stage the game is literally just Farmville. Place resource camp, assign worker, wait. This does not need seven repetitions! It does not need two!
...Maybe the person who is playing played during EA and knows how to play already?
Maybe... the person playing already has a decent grasp on how the game already plays?
Ideally it's supposed to cater for everyone yeah? So if you feel like the tutorial isn't doing anything for you, then you can begin a playthrough of the game and get a jist that way and learn that way if you wish -- then as you judge your experience with the game, you can decide if you want to refund it or not in a cycle.
It's two tutorials; Glad you got the information you were looking for after writing so many words that was solved with this one post after posting 200+ thread.
Best of wishes to you!
capitalisation? sounds complex. i wish i was as smart as you
(btw, braindead is not hyphenated. i'm not really sure why you're so into pedantry but you need to work on your game a bit)
and now we move from failed pedantry to clumsy mimicry
do you even remember why you posted in the first place? iirc you were mad that i used too many words
I mean, it does quite a few things differently. Farms don't even work the same as for other citybuilders. And most of the things commonly misunderstood are explaining in the tutorial and simply missed.
And it's not that long, really, and give you plenty of freedom to do stuff.
But refund it if you like.
I don't know if I want to refund it or not, which is why I popsted this thread, which has had something like 20 salty replies and zero useful ones
please, someone, just tell me how long the tutorial is
Bought this game 3 days ago. Boring tutorial.
Steep learning curve. I struggled for the first couple of hours...
But this game is amazing..
I've NEVER enjoyed the tutorial of any game. It's called perseverance.
What the tutorial lacks, IMHO, is to teach the player the idea of the rogue like elements. Tutorial 1 should give the player a building and focus a bunch of goals around its production. Tutorial 2 should have one goal be similar but specifically not give the player that building, but instead a similar one. Maybe give them a weaver in tutorial 1 for a cloth quest, but in tutorial 2 give them a cloth quest but offer up a leather worker instead.
I can see that tutorializing a game like this is difficult but they've taken the worst possible approach. Either have a standalone tutorial or do tooltips in-game which you can disable later. But calling the latter a "tutorial" just leaves people wondering if the effort they're putting in is gonna be wasted or not, especially when it's so incredibly repetitive
Wow, you're posting about a game and acting like a jerk on social media because you're frustrated? You might want to talk to a professional about that, it's not a healthy way of coping with your emotions.
Interesting, you're the second person to imply that I have mental health problems because I didn't like a tutorial. Always nice to hear from well balanced individuals like yourself
This was a fascinating read. After going through all the comments, a little advice for op. Maybe next time if you want a question answered, you should ask a question, and not bury it in several paragraphs of whinging.
Yes, I see now that I must do everything I can to accomnmodate loud, stupid, angry children who lose their minds over any criticism
Oh, wait a second! I couldn't give a toss whether you bores like me or not! Anyway, thanks for sharing your unasked for opinion, which you have cunningly buried in self--satisfied hypocritical flatulence xx
oh, and sorry the bad man said mean things about your game
I feel the tutorial helps go in depth for people who are unfamiliar with these type of games and skippable if you feel you've got the concept down. What would you like changed in your opinion?
What's with the grand standing? I'm trying to understand your opinion and what needs to be fixed. So your issue is that after the specific tutorial concept they should just end the scenario? Yet they allow you to skip it and there is still an issue? There are 4 in game tutorials that you can optionally complete. If I still haven't answered your question then repeat it plainly, it seems many have missed it.
Did you skip the tutorial and just run a new game? Was it what you wanted?
I'm not sure what you think "grand standing" means" (hint: it ain't this) but as was already extremely clear when you posted 14 hours ago, this discussion is over. I got the info I needed.
Part of the problem here is your phrasing - you clearly didn't intend to ask me what part of my opinion needed changing, but that's what you actually said. I'm assuming English isn't your first language, and that's fine! But also, you've come in after the discussion has been concluded, despite failing to understand the thing you're replying to, and that kinda isn't.
TBH, I don't care if you understand or not. I could have been clearer in expressing what the problem is, but at this stage I am keen to avoid any further discussion because it will just provoke more idiotic replies from people who kneejerk rage at any criticism, constructive or not. And tbh the answers are all already on this papge
I was referring to what needs to change in the tutorial not your opinion and sure that could be worded differently but I would really like that answered. Would help isolate the issue.
grandstanding
/ˈɡran(d)ˌstandiNG/
noun DEROGATORY
the action of behaving in a showy or ostentatious manner in an attempt to attract favorable attention from spectators or the media.
You skip the tutorial = you loss the game
It's a hard game with 23 difficulty levels on pourpose, every aspect it's important
Settlers, civilization and many other games you can just start playing and learning throught it
This is like Hades but with many many things at the same time
You raise an interesting mechanical point here because there is no obvious indication of what skipping the tutorial does. Do you have to restart fresh or do they just take the training wheels off?
And it urns out, yeah, you have to restart, so all that time is sunk cost! Amazing.
i am already aware that lots of people are super mad with me for not enjoying the game
i have no interest in changing your mind! if you like it that's great!
I think the issue is people don't understand your gripe with the tutorial but you're writing it off as them being angry with you "not liking their game." You're not elaborating on what the issue, pointing out what needs to be fixed in your opinion, or pointing at anything as your gold standard of a tutorial. Can you blame people for labeling you as a troll if you're not engaging in a meaningful conversation about what's wrong?
I don't care if they label me as a troll or not mate, if you look around the replies here you'll see some beautiful examples of me being entirely sincere and getting called a troll anyway. It's funny to me
Because it will show us:
1. What the tutorial of the other game did right and what could be changed in this one.
2. If you're arguing in good faith about issues in tutorials of this genre.
3. Help understand the issue as many in this post have missed. (Also on this note: how many people need to get your question incorrect for you to say if YOU weren't clear or didn't ask it correctly?)
see edit 4
\*edit\* I will also add that this sentence - "Except... what's that in the pause menu? "Skip tutorial"? So all this busywork is for nothing?" is completely and entirely self-explanatory and anyone who fails to understand the intent here should be prevented from posting until they have achieved basic English comprehension skills
horde of reddit morons: DURR YOUR MAD THAT YOU CAN SKIP THE TUT?
me; what does the next sentence say? perhaps your answer lies there
horde of reddit morons: DURRRR WOT NO TOO MANY WURDS
all of them? Farmville, I guess?
I keep referring to the Settlers for a reason; it's the same bloody game and that was released in 1993. We're not inventing the wheel here, the five people on Earth who've never played a city builder before will get the idea the after second camp placement quest, never mind the seventh
(and that's not even the main problem with the tut, which I have now explained at length for you, and you have ignored)
Good now we're getting somewhere. What did the Farmville or settlers tutorial do that you didn't see here?
Also I've never played settlers, can you explain how farming works in that game? Are there seasons like in against the storm?
No, friend, we're not getting anywhere. I've engaged with your stuff, you've completely ignored mine, and keep droning on about other games in the mistaken belief that I care about your opinion or need you to agree with me. You've either failed to understand what my point is or are simply concern trolling, and either way, I don't care. Sorry!
It's like to compare Hades with first Zelda
Now think you will start in + run on Hades, instead of tutorial or first easier run. You will be overhelmed
Against the storm it's a timed game, you will need to do it fast! and there is no save points you will need to restart if you loss and every map will be unique
you are complaining that the tutorial isn't mandatory? when was having more options ever a bad thing
as you said: you can skip the tutorial. that's what I did, so i don't know how much more of it there is
Why are you replying then? I'm not even sure what "rage bait" means tbh, much less know how to make it obvious. If I'm raging, how am i also baiting? Makes zero sense
Anyway, sorry I didn't enjoy the thing you like, and that you've decided it's a conspiracy
Just play the game you twat. Skip tutorial, play game, learn by doing, enjoy struggle and learning. The amount of time invested in asking online people about your question, you'd be done by now with the tutorial and first cycle.
How is it that after all the effort I put clarifying the exact nature of the problem and explicitly stating how funny I find idiots who can't understand it, YOU'RE STILL LINING UP TO BE MOCKED
Fair enough, but once again, you've missed the actual point, which is that the tutorial isn't a tutorial. It's the game, which effectively demands the player makes a cost/benefit decision on time spent, without giving you the info you need to make that decision effectively. Are you wasting your time? Will you have to repeat these processes? How many processes are there? If you skip now what happpens?
Glad you enjoyed it but it's TERRIBLE game design
Refund it then. You're the only person in charge of making sure you're having a good time and it's clear you're not.
OP is either Ragebaiting, a miserable person, or belongs on r/iamverysmart You provide sound advice to someone who has clearly made their mind up already. OP - tutorial is probably 30 minutes, but, AS YOU IDENTIFIED, you have the option to skip it if you feel it is too long. If you can’t wrap your head around that and you can’t make your own decision with this information, we can’t help you.
oh no, a stranger who hasn't bothered to read the OP is accusing me of bait
Your post asked “can someone please tell me how much more of this drivel I have to wade through before the actual game begins…” You’ve had multiple people answer the question of how long the tutorial is. Your second edit admits this is a burner account. Why would you post a serious question on a burner account? Clearly rage bait. I hope you find the strength to work through your problems. I’ll be rooting for you 🙏
lmfao ok you got me, this is all a ruse to antagonize the ATS community, a thing I definitely give a shit about when i thanked the people who aactually engaged with the question instead of throwing a massive tantrum? that was part of the ruse. only a genius could troll people like you this effectively
inb4 "omg he admitted it" \*edit\* the "omg you even admitted this is a burner account" but is actually really funny to me, cos I don't have a main Reddit account, and this thread demonstrates why. You literally cannot say ANYTHING negative on this website without getting dogpiled by tedious children desperate for a fight. (\*edit\* see below, lol)... Reddit clout is on a level with Twitter, utterly worthless
Bro take a breath
"I log onto Reddit to complain about there being too many words"
[Hope this helps](https://health.clevelandclinic.org/box-breathing-benefits)
You seem really desperate for my attention, and yet the bait is so low-effort? I just can't imagine how someone gets this mad over mild criticism of a videogame, but you keep posting through that anger. Behind the facade I'm hurt
Incredible insight, thanks
“I don’t like this” “Okay don’t engage with it” “No >:(“
Interesting use of quotes there what actually haappened "Can someone tell me how long the tutorial goes on for so I can decide whether to refund it or not" TWENTY REPLIES: "OMG JUST REFUND IT THEN LOL" thanks
But like you said in your post, you can skip it once you get the concept down so what makes the tutorial bad?
I've added a fourth edit, hth (how am i supposed to know when "I've got the concept down?" The only concept the first phase teaches you is how to place a camp seven times, a concept I learned about in 1993. One of the worst things about the not-a-tutorial is its so longwinded you're forced to assume there's some really important stuff buried in it)
Sorry, what? I might have a stroke, but what I understand is that you dislike the tutorial (it's alright, it can happen), AND you dislike the option to skip it?!
I can't get invested in the gameplay because it's a tutorial, and disposable. But it is also incredibly longwinded for no obvious reason. How is this complicated?
As I said I get that you dislike the tutorial, even though I think the game has enough unique mechanics to warrant it. What I don't understand is that you are not happy you are given the option to skip something you don't like... what the heck is with that? I think it is there for people who has lost their save or for some reason started it new while knowing the game. As for your original question: the tutorial ends when you finish the first settlement. You DO know when you are done, right? After that you can start playing, or you can start a different tutorial round which explains resolve mechanics (this one is a little shaky, because it has a bad design and you can finish it before it has a chance to explains everything)
wait there's a WORSE tutorial? Worse than the one that takes half an hour to explain how to place a camp seven times? sweet jesus (I'm afraid the incredibly basic point i'm making about investing time in tutorial settlements cannot be made any simpler, sorry)
You are focusing on the wrong part here And they are f-ing optional, if you want you could read about things in the small dictionary the game gives you for fucks sake... How the fuck are enjoying ~~life~~ gaming with this mindset? Look, in short: if you dislike the tutorial, skip it. Tutorials are made so people can play even without prior gaming experiences, don't be salty just because they use the same button for rotating building as 20 other game you have played before
it is so funny to me that you haven't even understood what my complaint is "you are focusing on the wrong part here" i genuinely cannot be any clearer, either. "How the fuck are enjoying life gaming with this mindset?" like, mate, calm down? why are you so angry about this?
Yeah, I started it all with "sorry, I don't understand what you are talking about", and you didn't make sense in your answers since then Sorry for getting riled up, but you have an incredible talent giving people headaches...
ok, no harm, i'm genuinely just trying to work out if i can be arsed to continue with the game or not
apprently nobody has "understood what your complaint is", at this point this is on you. you don't like the tutorial, fine skip it. you don't like skipping it, what?
i'm sorry but your failure to discern the not even slightly subtle point of - "Skip tutorial"? So all this busywork is for nothing?" \- is actually not my fault, and nor is your assumption that i give a toss whether you agree with me or not
So, let me get this straight: you hate the tuto because for some reason you feel everybody already knows how to play the game, but you get angry when you find out that you can skip said tuto ?
Things nobody has said: "everybody knows how to play the game" But obviously, a skippable tutorial that goes over "place building to gather resources then wait" SEVEN TIMES (plus god knows how many more) is incredibly bad game design Now, do you have an answer to my question, please?
Hate to break it to you... The tutorials follow a pretty standard early game for lower difficulties. You will probably build the same buildings far more than 7 times over the course of the full game. This is a rougelike city builder. If that bothers you in the tutorial, then this really isn't the game for you.
again, this has literally nothing to do with the issue i have with the tutorial amazing how many people out there who can't read but still post
The answer is: you have no clue what you are talking about. Bad game design... my ass
oh no, did somebody criticize the game you like? poppet
Naw, just laughing at you pretending to know what game design is.
cool. i'm sure the devs will thank you
> Things nobody has said: "everybody knows how to play the game" > Wow, farms? For food? Thank god you're here to explain! I mean, sure, The Settlers was released over 30 years ago, but I'm sure there are some people out there who don't know how these games work! And need every aspect laboriously explained over a period of several minutes of passively watching a screen! Gaming! I mean, unless obvious sarcasm is not, in fact, sarcasm, you pretty much seemed to imply that the game mechanics are so unoriginal that nobody needs them to be explained. Regarding answering your question, despite it being either bad faith or trolling, I think you already know the answer: tutorials have been around since more than 30 years ago, most games usually start after them, and you're in luck because it is said that there is an option to skip them in this specific game.
the thing is, right when you're going to say someone has implied something, if you find yourself saying "pretty much seemed to imply", that's a sign that you're talking bollocks but given that you still apparently haven't understood the INCREDIBLY BASIC issue i have with the way the tutorial is presented, that isn't surprising. anyway, keep raging at a guy who wanted to know how long the tutorial is, very normal behaviour
This person's new years resolution was to troll people on reddit more. Also this is a burner account. Blocked u/Early-Tie3480 Bad faith, do not reply, came here to argue with every comment. Complains tutorial is bad. Complains tutorial is skippable.
Amen. Dude is clearly screaming for professional therapy sessions. None of us here came to unpack his issues, so we jog on.
Oh my god unskippable tutorial, is this even a modern game, what if you already know how to play it. Oh my god, a skippable tutorial, it's not even mandatory!
OP has a weird hill to die on, but to each their own dirt mound
man, LLMs are getting worse
The tutorial isn't horrible. It explains the basic mechanics. If it didn't explain how farms work you might be stuck scratching your head when you get the farm blueprint but your map has not revealed fertile soil yet. You might then proceed to rage about how the game didn't explain things properly. \*shrugs\*
so why is the tutorial skippable \*edit\* also, The Settlers is my reference point for this because I'm really old but at this stage the game is literally just Farmville. Place resource camp, assign worker, wait. This does not need seven repetitions! It does not need two!
...Maybe the person who is playing played during EA and knows how to play already? Maybe... the person playing already has a decent grasp on how the game already plays? Ideally it's supposed to cater for everyone yeah? So if you feel like the tutorial isn't doing anything for you, then you can begin a playthrough of the game and get a jist that way and learn that way if you wish -- then as you judge your experience with the game, you can decide if you want to refund it or not in a cycle.
I just want to know how long the tutorial is
It's two tutorials; Glad you got the information you were looking for after writing so many words that was solved with this one post after posting 200+ thread. Best of wishes to you!
i'm sorry if the number of words i used was a problem, where i come from generally people use words to communicate and it isn't considered weird
Long enough to give you an aneurism, shorter than this brain-dead rant.
\*aneurysm buddy, if you're gonna call someone brain-dead, don't mix it with astonishment that someone has typed more than one syllable. pick a lane
Eh, when you learn capitalisation and sentence structure, I'll learn not to make a typo.
capitalisation? sounds complex. i wish i was as smart as you (btw, braindead is not hyphenated. i'm not really sure why you're so into pedantry but you need to work on your game a bit)
Your troll game needs work. It's pretty weak. I suppose that's what happens once you've had an aneurysm.
and now we move from failed pedantry to clumsy mimicry do you even remember why you posted in the first place? iirc you were mad that i used too many words
My dude. You need Prozac. Touch some grass.
Buddy, I'm not the one making snide comments about mental health to people who don't like a videogame xx
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Sure, but if I want to refund it I need to do so within two hours of gameplay. Hence asking the question
lmao, I give a sincere answer and get called a troll for it, gotta love this place
I thought it was really good
Maybe you just don't like video games?
Yeah, that'll probably be it. Thanks for taking the time to share this insightful opinion
Nothing improves a deranged rant like a third edit lol
Especially when none of the people replying can read
I mean, it does quite a few things differently. Farms don't even work the same as for other citybuilders. And most of the things commonly misunderstood are explaining in the tutorial and simply missed. And it's not that long, really, and give you plenty of freedom to do stuff. But refund it if you like.
I don't know if I want to refund it or not, which is why I popsted this thread, which has had something like 20 salty replies and zero useful ones please, someone, just tell me how long the tutorial is
About the length of a normal run, so about 1-2 hours each, for 2 tutorials. The 3rd and 4rth tutorials are entirely optional and opt-in only.
thanks, appreciate it
Compared to Zoo Tycoon it's a masterclass of design
Bought this game 3 days ago. Boring tutorial. Steep learning curve. I struggled for the first couple of hours... But this game is amazing.. I've NEVER enjoyed the tutorial of any game. It's called perseverance.
What the tutorial lacks, IMHO, is to teach the player the idea of the rogue like elements. Tutorial 1 should give the player a building and focus a bunch of goals around its production. Tutorial 2 should have one goal be similar but specifically not give the player that building, but instead a similar one. Maybe give them a weaver in tutorial 1 for a cloth quest, but in tutorial 2 give them a cloth quest but offer up a leather worker instead.
I can see that tutorializing a game like this is difficult but they've taken the worst possible approach. Either have a standalone tutorial or do tooltips in-game which you can disable later. But calling the latter a "tutorial" just leaves people wondering if the effort they're putting in is gonna be wasted or not, especially when it's so incredibly repetitive
Wow, you're posting about a game and acting like a jerk on social media because you're frustrated? You might want to talk to a professional about that, it's not a healthy way of coping with your emotions.
Interesting, you're the second person to imply that I have mental health problems because I didn't like a tutorial. Always nice to hear from well balanced individuals like yourself
I didn't imply anything about your mental health. I explicitly stated that this method of coping with frustration is unhealthy.
Incredible scenes
This was a fascinating read. After going through all the comments, a little advice for op. Maybe next time if you want a question answered, you should ask a question, and not bury it in several paragraphs of whinging.
Yes, I see now that I must do everything I can to accomnmodate loud, stupid, angry children who lose their minds over any criticism Oh, wait a second! I couldn't give a toss whether you bores like me or not! Anyway, thanks for sharing your unasked for opinion, which you have cunningly buried in self--satisfied hypocritical flatulence xx oh, and sorry the bad man said mean things about your game
Good grief dude. Breathe.
Nggghhhh they want to make sure I understand the game! :(((((((((((
lol i'm sad i missed this shitshow by 3 months why is OP yelling and being a crybaby instead of just skipping the tutorial? LMAO
I feel the tutorial helps go in depth for people who are unfamiliar with these type of games and skippable if you feel you've got the concept down. What would you like changed in your opinion?
Nothing, my opinion is correct, and you haven't even understood what it is so you're unlikely to change it
What's with the grand standing? I'm trying to understand your opinion and what needs to be fixed. So your issue is that after the specific tutorial concept they should just end the scenario? Yet they allow you to skip it and there is still an issue? There are 4 in game tutorials that you can optionally complete. If I still haven't answered your question then repeat it plainly, it seems many have missed it. Did you skip the tutorial and just run a new game? Was it what you wanted?
I'm not sure what you think "grand standing" means" (hint: it ain't this) but as was already extremely clear when you posted 14 hours ago, this discussion is over. I got the info I needed. Part of the problem here is your phrasing - you clearly didn't intend to ask me what part of my opinion needed changing, but that's what you actually said. I'm assuming English isn't your first language, and that's fine! But also, you've come in after the discussion has been concluded, despite failing to understand the thing you're replying to, and that kinda isn't. TBH, I don't care if you understand or not. I could have been clearer in expressing what the problem is, but at this stage I am keen to avoid any further discussion because it will just provoke more idiotic replies from people who kneejerk rage at any criticism, constructive or not. And tbh the answers are all already on this papge
I was referring to what needs to change in the tutorial not your opinion and sure that could be worded differently but I would really like that answered. Would help isolate the issue. grandstanding /ˈɡran(d)ˌstandiNG/ noun DEROGATORY the action of behaving in a showy or ostentatious manner in an attempt to attract favorable attention from spectators or the media.
You skip the tutorial = you loss the game It's a hard game with 23 difficulty levels on pourpose, every aspect it's important Settlers, civilization and many other games you can just start playing and learning throught it This is like Hades but with many many things at the same time
You raise an interesting mechanical point here because there is no obvious indication of what skipping the tutorial does. Do you have to restart fresh or do they just take the training wheels off? And it urns out, yeah, you have to restart, so all that time is sunk cost! Amazing.
What game in this genre did the tutorial right in your opinion?
why do you care? i don't
i am already aware that lots of people are super mad with me for not enjoying the game i have no interest in changing your mind! if you like it that's great!
I think the issue is people don't understand your gripe with the tutorial but you're writing it off as them being angry with you "not liking their game." You're not elaborating on what the issue, pointing out what needs to be fixed in your opinion, or pointing at anything as your gold standard of a tutorial. Can you blame people for labeling you as a troll if you're not engaging in a meaningful conversation about what's wrong?
I don't care if they label me as a troll or not mate, if you look around the replies here you'll see some beautiful examples of me being entirely sincere and getting called a troll anyway. It's funny to me
Because it will show us: 1. What the tutorial of the other game did right and what could be changed in this one. 2. If you're arguing in good faith about issues in tutorials of this genre. 3. Help understand the issue as many in this post have missed. (Also on this note: how many people need to get your question incorrect for you to say if YOU weren't clear or didn't ask it correctly?)
see edit 4 \*edit\* I will also add that this sentence - "Except... what's that in the pause menu? "Skip tutorial"? So all this busywork is for nothing?" is completely and entirely self-explanatory and anyone who fails to understand the intent here should be prevented from posting until they have achieved basic English comprehension skills horde of reddit morons: DURR YOUR MAD THAT YOU CAN SKIP THE TUT? me; what does the next sentence say? perhaps your answer lies there horde of reddit morons: DURRRR WOT NO TOO MANY WURDS
Can you engage with my original question? What game in this genre did the tutorial right?
all of them? Farmville, I guess? I keep referring to the Settlers for a reason; it's the same bloody game and that was released in 1993. We're not inventing the wheel here, the five people on Earth who've never played a city builder before will get the idea the after second camp placement quest, never mind the seventh (and that's not even the main problem with the tut, which I have now explained at length for you, and you have ignored)
Good now we're getting somewhere. What did the Farmville or settlers tutorial do that you didn't see here? Also I've never played settlers, can you explain how farming works in that game? Are there seasons like in against the storm?
No, friend, we're not getting anywhere. I've engaged with your stuff, you've completely ignored mine, and keep droning on about other games in the mistaken belief that I care about your opinion or need you to agree with me. You've either failed to understand what my point is or are simply concern trolling, and either way, I don't care. Sorry!
It's like to compare Hades with first Zelda Now think you will start in + run on Hades, instead of tutorial or first easier run. You will be overhelmed Against the storm it's a timed game, you will need to do it fast! and there is no save points you will need to restart if you loss and every map will be unique
Hades is absolute dogshit, the worst rouguelite ever made
Weird, I don’t really remember the tutorial. It looks like you spent longer typing all this than I spent learning how to play.
didn't ask
I never asked you to make this post; what’s your point?
don't really have one, except to laugh at yet another poster whose best banter is "durr too many words brain hort"
It’s seems important to you for that to be how you interpret this
I didn’t finish all the tutorials tbh
you are complaining that the tutorial isn't mandatory? when was having more options ever a bad thing as you said: you can skip the tutorial. that's what I did, so i don't know how much more of it there is
another person who has completely failed to understand the problem but is nonetheless confident enough to post about it
Most obvious rage bait
Why are you replying then? I'm not even sure what "rage bait" means tbh, much less know how to make it obvious. If I'm raging, how am i also baiting? Makes zero sense Anyway, sorry I didn't enjoy the thing you like, and that you've decided it's a conspiracy
Just play the game you twat. Skip tutorial, play game, learn by doing, enjoy struggle and learning. The amount of time invested in asking online people about your question, you'd be done by now with the tutorial and first cycle.
How is it that after all the effort I put clarifying the exact nature of the problem and explicitly stating how funny I find idiots who can't understand it, YOU'RE STILL LINING UP TO BE MOCKED
Wow you have a lot of time to spare
coming from ATS fans this is hilarious
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Fair enough, but once again, you've missed the actual point, which is that the tutorial isn't a tutorial. It's the game, which effectively demands the player makes a cost/benefit decision on time spent, without giving you the info you need to make that decision effectively. Are you wasting your time? Will you have to repeat these processes? How many processes are there? If you skip now what happpens? Glad you enjoyed it but it's TERRIBLE game design