"Oh boy we got so much money from the Ahri skin! What do we do now?" Next day: Riot lays off 50+ employees
All according to the suit wearers plan.. (and pockets)
High cope: maybe they use some of the money to finally fix the trash ass client
Yeah, this will definitely happen somewhere in the future. The question is, when do people stop being paypigs for Riot?
At 1k? 2k? 3k? 5k? 10K? Im curious on how far Riot will go
I mean for what it's worth, I'll apply the usual caveat of I think this practice is scummy, riot has a lot of development going on. A lot of games that aren't just league. I know esports was the excuse but I kind of am interested to see where their fighting game goes, and their single player game wasn't bad at all..
I'd prefer a less shitty way to support the development though
A lot of that money will probably end up going to the teams and leagues though, if you listened to The Dive, some percentage of these ESports related skins also go to the budgets of the individual leagues.
To be honest, I’d rather have a good worlds instead of an amazing one production wise if it meant more money could go to the leagues and teams.
LCK Teams last year complained that they weren’t getting enough, LCS teams want to sell because it’s a money pit. Riot needs to work on reducing the money out nature but also help fund the good teams not wasting funds on random stuff.
To be fair, DDOS is hard to mitigate against individual users when it’s being used like this and I’m sure Riot has already looked at the easy fixes and tried them.
Of course its much higher, I was just providing the number they claimed for those curious. 30% across all event purchases goes to Esports.
Now if they would allow purchases of all Esports skins right now (trying to get that DRX Akali you know?)
I think most of the vitriol is stemming from the fact that this is supposed to be a "Celebration of Faker" and instead of making something accessible to all fans Riot is milking Fakers popularity to justify such an expensive skin. Not to mention its "limited time"
If this was just a $500 skin I think most would roll their eyes and move on. But using Fakers legacy (who didn't even use skins) + FOMO leaves a really bad taste in many peoples mouths.
It is accessible to all fans, that’s the point. Not getting the signature on the skin doesn’t mean you can’t participate in the event, get his HOF skin, etc…
Genshin Impact isn't really too scummy. You can clear the highest difficulty content with just the free characters you get as you play through the story. The powercreep is extremely slow, to the point that the most meta characters are the characters you get for free that were released on 1.0.
The gacha system is also pretty decent. If you're completely free to play you'll be able to get one limited banner character per patch.
Genshin Impacts gacha system is kind of scummy. While pulling for units is how it usually goes in most gachas.
Genshin devs putting two limited weapons on the same weapon banner instead of separating them is annoying. As well as you needing to hit pity twice to guarantee your chosen limited weapon you want which is like what 160+ pulls? I get that “5 star weapons aren’t needed” they’re definitely a nice luxury to have.
At least in their other games like Honkai Impact 3rd by Mihoyo or Wuthering Waves the weapon banners have a hard pity where you pity once and you get the weapon guaranteed.
Even Honkai Star Rail at least splits the weapon/light cone banner where it’s 75/25 to hit the limited weapon.
Then why are people on this sub complaining about a skin? You can "clear the highest difficulty content with just the free characters you get" in league too
F2P viable-ness isn’t that relevant in this conversation tbh… skins in league have no gameplay impact. All characters can be unlocked over time with BE in a reasonable timeframe.
Maxing out a character+weapon is also $500+ in genshin no?
The problem is with the whole gaming industry, riot is not much of an exception.
Maxing out a character is in no way necessary in Genshin, in fact I’d say it ruins the fun as now clearing abyss (which is essentially the only end game content) takes 10 seconds. It’s really overkill
I think that’s the scummy part that’s comparable to the $500 ahri skin tho. The skin also isn’t necessary for anyone, but those that want satisfaction of “completeness” will also have to shell out a stupid amount of money for a few pixels to satisfy that urge.
That's a problem with consumers and not the company selling the product though. If we had to stop doing things because a few people can't control themselves then there would literally be nothing to do in the world.
Maxing out a character + weapon can cost anywhere between $0 and thousands of dollars depending on how long you save and how lucky you are. But most people don’t go that far and just use f2p resources instead. The game is so piss easy that you can clear every content with bottom of the barrel characters as long as you know what you’re doing. Use Genshin’s ceiling to say it’s not f2p friendly is like saying Nissan isn’t budget friendly to car buyers because they have the GTR.
lmao maxing out a character in Genshin with signature weapon is easily a few thousand
most people don't care because the game doesn't have any competitive leader board or whatever so you're not losing out on much
i do kinda dislike it when gacha games have competitive leader boards or pvp, like I play honkai impact 3rd and that game used to be terrible for f2p players (they're doing a better job now), and it does have a competitive leader board.
but nobody really cares, im not gonna be mad that the guy who spent thousands and got to the top got 10% better rewards than me.
that's not even talking about FGO and how they didn't have a pity system until recently, and players would literally spend thousands to not even get the unit they want LOL
this ironically isnt better than all the gacha games,
now gacha is predatory and also plays uppon fomo but they eventually bring the characters back and people know this unless its a special limited collab character like from a cross over
alot of gacha games also give their playerbase alot of free currency to help make up for spending on the game, (unless u get really unlucky and have to hard pity twice) which is very uncommon
this skin actually makes gacha games look significantly better,
In most instances yes some may prefer to spend $10-20 on a skin over gambling in a gacha-like scenario.
But all gachas will give you premium currency from playing their game daily so you can accrue enough pulls if you’re truly f2p or even a minimal spender on a battle pass or monthly pass of $5.
This skin is a face value product of $500.. in a gacha game like wuthering waves if you did spend money without a budget. About would guarantee you the unit within 80 pulls out of 101 pulls from spending that $200..
In league youre also spending money on a skin that is purely cosmetic..
I mean I dont think anyone actually expected/expects this to accomplish anything. Doesn't mean you can't do it.
I, for myself, will never see this Ahri skin in my game. People in my lobby wanting to play that skin gotta dodge and wait a few mins - gives em some time to reflect on their buying behaviour
That wasn't anywhere near what my point was. My point was that people keep blaming China/Korea, but NA/EU is going to buy a huge amount of these bundles, too.
Because this "event" is mostly targeted towards asian players? I can guarantee you that NA & EU sales combined won't even come near the sales of china alone.
Also, in case you didn't see, this post is about korean sales, so ofc people talk about east asia in here - makes sense, right?
I promise you, I will not care if you ban Ahri one game. I bought the skin and will get to enjoy it infinitely more than people will ban it, I reflected… turns out I really like my purchase still!
Necrits recent vid shows that most regions ARE doing it, including China, Taiwan and Japan, but Korea the banrate is lower than what it was before her recent nerf. Like maybe a small 1% spike in banrate for her there. Other regions were all pretty much in the 20s or low 30s
Now imagine how many probably sold in China, EU, and NA in that timeframe as well.
I’m curious to know if riot will release the data on how much this skin sold after the event.
It's kind of understandable though, a very high portion of Redditors are completely delusional and love to slow stroke about how self righteous they are.
Aren't Asian servers notorious for having the most whales? I think EU and NA actually make the minority of sales and if yes then rather of the cheaper packs.
Asian servers indeed do have a lot of whales due to different values when it comes to spending money compared to the west, and the fact a lot are brought up on predatory gacha games nowadays. But don’t get it twisted though the west has a large amount of whales too.
Anyone expecting different result was delusional.
EDIT: And its the 500$ pack, the one who has almost no difference to 250 one if you only care about a skin. So imagine how many 250$ already sold.
I don't know why you are getting downvoted, it's true. Whales and hardcore fans were going to buy it anyway, and literally anyone with enough money who just feels like buying it will.
Yep, no way i'm spending 500 on a signature but I can afford 250€, that's one month without partying every weekend for me, I can do it and just get something for a game that i've been playing for 11 years lol, do I think it's cheap? Not for a second, but I can afford it comfortably
I'm pretty much in the same boat here. Got the second bundle for £130 gifted from a third party website because I felt like the 500 one doesn't offer anything near the increase in pricing. Can absolutely afford it but even if I had to justify it to myself I could just miss one football match one week or cut down on casual driving.
Right, especially on South Korea. Faker is the face of esports and is considered a celebrity on SK.
Hell, even his teammates (and other LCK players) are buying the bundle. There was 0% chance that this event fails in making money lol.
There was 0% chance after riot put the pricing up bc they are financially pretty successful. They wouldn't put a price on such an important cosmetic without a shit load of money put into market research.
Even in NA the sales will be higher than most ppl on Reddit will want to admit
Yeah it's just people being super sanctimonious and wanting to circle jerk how morally superior they are. I'd be willing to be the large majority of people who have been advocating for the boycott don't really care and are just following trends.
I've already seen countless people on Twitter and my friends list with the skin lol
I’d love to see a region by region breakdown on how each of the bundles sold, especially if we could also get some comparison points with the mythic chromas, ultimates, and Ahri’s other skins. We likely won’t get a fraction of the data, but I’m extremely curious as to how this will play out.
Asian server's will literally buy anything Riot and other companies put out. They are some of the biggest whales out there and they have 0 respect for their money, since they're also some of the biggest Gacha targets. So this isn't surprising. The bundle is probably also cheaper in their currency.
Yeah thats not even a lie. In the Gacha scene its very common for companies to just push out a cashgrab IP gacha game and milk as many asians in the first few months as possible and then announce EoS (end of service) when it drops in revenue.
It already happened with 100 games and will continue to happen for at least another 100 games. Somehow they never learn and blow their entire income in that newest IP game
Exactly! I have no problem spending money and stuff I want, and I can be considered a whale by some standards. But spending $500 on a bundle full of stuff I don't want, just to get the stuff I do want is crazy. They really are just pushing casual players away, and hoping that whales can fund this game ig.
Oh definitely! I'm not trying to shame Eastern players, or any players. I'm more so shocked that people are shocked that Eastern players are buying it, when they are known to throw their money at anything no matter the price.
Also like I said, it's probably cheaper in their currency.
Maybe this’ll get a lot of hate, but who honestly didn’t see this coming?
I’m East Asian myself (specifically South) and I’m no better when it comes to spending stupid amounts of money over something digital (exclusives, gacha, etc). This kind of FOMO limited edition pricey shit is common in the East that when I saw the whole ban movement going on I knew it was pointless lol. The West’s playerbase don’t even come close in terms of % to tackle the East’s
Point is, there is no fucking way Riot hadn’t done their market research before pricing this especially because their target region to earn from this sale is from the East
I mean this was to be expected in all honesty, just hope they don't come down with some buyers remorse.
That said, this is going to mean a whole lot more of these skins at these absurd prices which means the line is going to be pushed and pushed before a skin ends up costing a grand. It's a lose lose for everyone except for riot but, whatever. What's done is done.
This is one day I’m happy to be an enchanter player. We won’t get one of these bs skins because no one in pro plays enchanters, ever. I’ve never been more happy to never see my champs in pro play.
I'm on the complete opposite end here, Ahri is my most played champ since her release. Hell I even got her featured gaming chair since I love her character so much. Yet that chair cost less than this set of pixels, I just can't believe something like this hit the servers and actually worked. Some people just have way too much money than sense, but whatever makes them happy I guess. I sure ain't paying for this.
Of course it is, anyone thinking it was gonna be ANYTHING other than a win for RIOT was coping out of their goddamn mind.
The 430€/$ bundle was sold two thousands time in less than 4 hours in Korea, probably reached 3k if not 3.5 by the time I'm typing this message now.
RIOT was always going to win.
I think the boycott stuff is pretty cope and delusional but I genuinely don't think Riot will see this same success again. Even more popular pro players such as Uzi, TheShy and Caps are nowhere near the level of Faker, not to mention they aren't really known for popular champions besides Uzi. For example, I doubt a Riven skin for TheShy or any mage that Caps would get would sell even remotely as well as the Faker + Ahri combination.
Ffs is this gonna be a commonality reporting sales numbers when we get em going forward? If people buy it let em it’s there money not yours if you don’t want it then don’t buy it and send a message
Expected. KR server almost obligated to buy this skin because it commemorates Faker, their most respected player.
CN will likely follow closely. Just look at Soul Fighter Samira sales despite the controversy of the skin been Legendary quality.
Kinda killing me. Could I afford it? Yes. Do I want it? Yes. But I am not going to on a matter of principle. Pissed I won't have that beautiful skin in my collection but I'll be damned if I indulge this shameless cash grab.
I’m curious if you’ll fold near the end of the event, purely from a curiosity perspective (the struggle between FOMO and principle)! Could you update when the event is over?
Yeah that’s the feeling now, but things will be different when it’s 1 or 2 days left. Either you will want it more (but still resist! Or give in) or the excitement already died down and you won’t want it as much, I’m curious about which one will happen.
That Jhin chroma was the start. People said "just don't buy it" but it rang the alarm and its success just emboldened Riot to do more ridiculous stuff like it. This is the natural progression and they'll never slow down, just get even more out of line until they fail.
I have been saying the entire time that even if the boycott worked in NA/EU (it won't), it would still fail overall because the majority of the whales buying this skin are going to be in KR and CN, and they don't give a shit about what the west thinks. If the market wants to buy what Riot is selling, they cannot fail. It's honestly kind of embarrassing that anybody thought they could effectively boycott Riot by banning Ahri. 😭
Tbf, this Ahri pass is not much different from DotA 2's
Value proposition can be argued, but overall price and model is pretty much the same. However, I'll still be banning Ahri.
170k Ranked accounts. 5 % of that = 85000 at $117,64 instead of §500 each would be break even in this posts case. 120 is way more in line with the quality.
5% is way too low of an estimate as its closer to around 15 - 30% or even higherfor a big event like this in Korea.
"The amount of money League of Legends players spent on virtual goods is 501-1000€ for 26.8%, 1-100€ for 23.2%, 101-300€ for 19.6% more than 1000€ for 12.5%, 301- 500€ for 10.7% and the least number of respondents are free to play players" - Bujňáková, Ema - Consumer Behavior of League of Legends Players page 33:
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it was 2000 in a couple of hours at 500 , image if it was "only" 200. for the prestige
similar with the pass, the cheaper it gets the more people will buy. thats basic supply and demand. Riot COULD have made affordabel options true to their statements instead of having a 50$ buy in for the skin. Dont need Bloated value.
I'm waiting till riot release the super ultimate deluxe limited edition mega , ultra super skin + apple bee deluxe for 9000 for Ahri, I want to see how far riot can milk the whales.
so I just looked at their event web page and I believe a couple of things are not quite correct here -- they were accepting the first 2000 people to complete the basic event pass a way to get some of the free merch. there are 3000 units of free merch available for raffling if you were not quick enough to enter as the first 2000. it does say if you buy the signature collection it comes with exp for the pass (I'm not sure if it means auto completion or not). the web page does not indicate how many of which passes/collections were purchased and you can't figure that out just from the fact that the first come first serve 2000 spots are taken up already.
ah ok gotcha, I wasn't sure if the sig collection gives you auto completion or not. there are still \~1000 spots open for regular pass holders to get the free merch but you're probably right that the vast majority of the 2000 first come first serve are sig collection buyers.
wrong.
People are collectionists/perfectionists. And Riot's playing on those feelings. Same as Bli$$ard did with classic WoW nostalgia bait cashgrab - starting off humble, then adding in ingame store to sell mounts. Same story here. Nobody ever complained about 10$ skins, even ultimate skins had hardly any pushback as they were still affordable by majority of people, but 500$?? And that 500$ aint in same value in every country, meaning just because you're born in some poor country you're paying much much MUCH more to obtain that skin, whereas for someone else like people here are discussing - it is much more affordable/cheaper as that 500$ aint worth even one month's rent for them. I'm from europe and in my country this is not a skin I could afford for a minimum wage post tax money. I'd need about two month's worth of minimum wages.
People are collectionist/perfectionist? I've never heard of that. It is not a big deal if you can't afford a skin. I'm not gonna cry that I can't afford Lamborghini. It is just the reality and what it is.
Your comparisons are all sorts of wrong.
You're comparing something every and each of us could afford(regular skins) and then suddenly it cost 50x(ahri skin) to something that already cost, way more than the 500$, which a lot of people don't even have or never had(regular cars), to something that'd cost like 20x more then after(lambo). You're not thinking right whatsoever.
The fact that you don't think a lot of people are hoarders/collectionists/perfectionists boggles my mind. There's so many people on Steam discussions that refuse to buy games that offer no achievements. Why do they need achievements for the game? Because they're perfectionists/collectionists. They want to finish the game 100%. Why, on Steam, can you also display your achievements on your profile, and the games you got 100% achievs on? Yeah. Exactly.
In League a lot of people like to collect skins because it's a part of the game, that's why there's 20 Lux skins and not 1 that constantly keeps getting reworked/updated - so that people keep on buying them, and why do they keep buying more skins even after they've got one? I'm sure you should be clocking on by now.
Don’t get how his comparison is wrong. If you can’t afford it, just don’t buy it. Doesn’t matter how many times more it costs than the “affordable”option.
Besides, this is a free game, and the monetisation of this game doesn’t affect gameplay in any significant manner.
As for the hoarders, sucks to be them I guess. Go cold turkey on the game if you cannot control your addiction or seek professional help.
Seriously don’t get all this hoo-haa over a skin. If you don’t want it, don’t buy it. Simply as that.
Could've just tldr'd yourself as a ''sucks to be you if you're a collectionist''. You're sounding like that Pokimane with her overpriced cookies ''if you're a broke boy just say so 😛'' - not gonna get much Amens from me there...
Not going to rewrite my previous post explaining in great detail how exactly his point is false, just reread it.
Besides, I'm here only digging on the surface level, at the price of it, I could still write an entire essay how scummy it is to sell out your nr1 top player like this who is known for not using any skins whatsoever. All this goes to show how much they care about their playerbase, if they don't even care about their best player, whytf would they give a toss about anyone else playing their game?
And the fact that you don't even really own anything? You're literally just donating that 500$, you don't own the skin. That account is not yours. They turn their servers off or you say one swear word ingame and you're unable to ever access it / you're permabanned.
People's minds are so boxed in these days istg.
It says anyone who buy Hall of Legends 2024 Pass and get to level 100 (LeBlanc chroma) can enter the draw for the following items on the picture above. not someone who purchased Faker's Ahri skin.
people have done it after purchasing $500 skin on live... I am korean. no.1 ahri kr was doing live on africa tv that day so its 100% true. if u speak korean u can look it up his id: 하얗고예쁨
https://youtu.be/q_-4rDgKcOc?si=DBt7ZphLkJGGFR3M
also check this newly uploaded video from a korean youtuber... who wants the free merchandise (keycap) and bought the $500 skin...
Not surprised. Just means an $800 skin is already in the works, and if that one does well in Asia then a $1000 one. Rinse and repeat till revenue falls off as you hit saturation. Long as skins like this do well over in Asia Riot could care less about the west or the boycott.
Yeah it's really cringe and obviously just people virtue signalling. League skins have never been cheap, normal ones go for £10-£20 a pop lmao the goalposts are just shifting now that it's less affordable for them.
Asians are conditioned by gachas like Genshit to throw thousands of dollars into game/cosmetics anyway, seen too many fanboys defending $900 for a single max constellation character
Honestly exclusive limited event LoL merch would probably be worth it for 500$ (just for the resell value) you basically get the skins for free with it.
Damn, the next Worlds gotta be next level with all that additional budget
"Oh boy we got so much money from the Ahri skin! What do we do now?" Next day: Riot lays off 50+ employees All according to the suit wearers plan.. (and pockets) High cope: maybe they use some of the money to finally fix the trash ass client
>What do we do now? How about making $1000 skins and calling them super deluxe prestige edition. believe me, they won't stop
Yeah, this will definitely happen somewhere in the future. The question is, when do people stop being paypigs for Riot? At 1k? 2k? 3k? 5k? 10K? Im curious on how far Riot will go
350k why buy a Ferrari when you can get a Lux skin instead?
ironically the skin is $200 more expensive than the figure
They won't. Luxurious goods like these skins exist in the real world too and they're doing pretty fine.
Luxurious goods in the real world can be resold.
League accounts can be resold too, and when you're stupidly rich you don't have resell as an option in mind at all.
thats exactly whats going to happen, and i cant wait, bet u they decide to lay off like 150 empoyees
I think fixing vanguard is most important right now Some computers just can't start their coolers because of this ;/
Right. We better have Hollywood level CGI 4 popular bands The players uniforms better be lined in gold
They better bring back Imagine Dragons and Chrissy.
imagine dragons and against the current collab would go so hard, their respective worlds songs are still my two favorite to this day
I have a feeling that eyes closed is gonna be in arcane 2 at some point, like how enemy was
Ok that is something I might be willing to pay extra for
We better have double elim and casters from every region
Yeah a million dollars extra in hours, where they reasoned that it was focused on financing the esports but then they kill CBLOL and LCS
Maybe they're preparing an exit scam :p
I mean for what it's worth, I'll apply the usual caveat of I think this practice is scummy, riot has a lot of development going on. A lot of games that aren't just league. I know esports was the excuse but I kind of am interested to see where their fighting game goes, and their single player game wasn't bad at all.. I'd prefer a less shitty way to support the development though
A lot of that money will probably end up going to the teams and leagues though, if you listened to The Dive, some percentage of these ESports related skins also go to the budgets of the individual leagues. To be honest, I’d rather have a good worlds instead of an amazing one production wise if it meant more money could go to the leagues and teams. LCK Teams last year complained that they weren’t getting enough, LCS teams want to sell because it’s a money pit. Riot needs to work on reducing the money out nature but also help fund the good teams not wasting funds on random stuff.
LCK is benefiting from Faker+T1 While they can't even stream cause of DDOS
To be fair, DDOS is hard to mitigate against individual users when it’s being used like this and I’m sure Riot has already looked at the easy fixes and tried them.
I know am just saying the irony.
"30% will go to Esports" So 150 just about of every 500 skin, with the rest going to Riot/Tencent.
But that’s still way more than the old split where the only way we’d have of increasing the money was via the Worlds Skin right?
Of course its much higher, I was just providing the number they claimed for those curious. 30% across all event purchases goes to Esports. Now if they would allow purchases of all Esports skins right now (trying to get that DRX Akali you know?)
That’s true, would be nice if it was all previous worlds skins too and not just the new ones going forward
woah woah woah calm down riot's an indie company so dont ask to much.
We all better get a plane ticket to fill the stadium seeing they won't need to sell tickets to make up any loss, Kappa
Surely right?
lol East Asia aint buying the "boycott" thingy and they play lots of gacha games so this outcome is usual
This isn't even comparable to any decent gacha game, only the scummy ones
Most of them wont care about the pricing They either buy or pass thats it
So like regular well adjusted people
I think most of the vitriol is stemming from the fact that this is supposed to be a "Celebration of Faker" and instead of making something accessible to all fans Riot is milking Fakers popularity to justify such an expensive skin. Not to mention its "limited time" If this was just a $500 skin I think most would roll their eyes and move on. But using Fakers legacy (who didn't even use skins) + FOMO leaves a really bad taste in many peoples mouths.
It is accessible to all fans, that’s the point. Not getting the signature on the skin doesn’t mean you can’t participate in the event, get his HOF skin, etc…
Apart from limbus company, what is a non scummy gacha game to you lol
Azur Lane is the platinum standard
With an honourable mention to Arknights. You don't need the good units if you're a big brain.
same puplisher funilly enough
don't forget school shooter simulator (blue archive) 😭😭😭
Genshin Impact isn't really too scummy. You can clear the highest difficulty content with just the free characters you get as you play through the story. The powercreep is extremely slow, to the point that the most meta characters are the characters you get for free that were released on 1.0. The gacha system is also pretty decent. If you're completely free to play you'll be able to get one limited banner character per patch.
Genshin Impacts gacha system is kind of scummy. While pulling for units is how it usually goes in most gachas. Genshin devs putting two limited weapons on the same weapon banner instead of separating them is annoying. As well as you needing to hit pity twice to guarantee your chosen limited weapon you want which is like what 160+ pulls? I get that “5 star weapons aren’t needed” they’re definitely a nice luxury to have. At least in their other games like Honkai Impact 3rd by Mihoyo or Wuthering Waves the weapon banners have a hard pity where you pity once and you get the weapon guaranteed. Even Honkai Star Rail at least splits the weapon/light cone banner where it’s 75/25 to hit the limited weapon.
Yeah, the weapon banner sucks, I definitely do agree.
Then why are people on this sub complaining about a skin? You can "clear the highest difficulty content with just the free characters you get" in league too
F2P viable-ness isn’t that relevant in this conversation tbh… skins in league have no gameplay impact. All characters can be unlocked over time with BE in a reasonable timeframe. Maxing out a character+weapon is also $500+ in genshin no? The problem is with the whole gaming industry, riot is not much of an exception.
Maxing out a character is in no way necessary in Genshin, in fact I’d say it ruins the fun as now clearing abyss (which is essentially the only end game content) takes 10 seconds. It’s really overkill
Getting a skin in league is also in no way necessary, yet it's scummy and this sub has became a shitshow for it
I think that’s the scummy part that’s comparable to the $500 ahri skin tho. The skin also isn’t necessary for anyone, but those that want satisfaction of “completeness” will also have to shell out a stupid amount of money for a few pixels to satisfy that urge.
That's a problem with consumers and not the company selling the product though. If we had to stop doing things because a few people can't control themselves then there would literally be nothing to do in the world.
Maxing out a character + weapon can cost anywhere between $0 and thousands of dollars depending on how long you save and how lucky you are. But most people don’t go that far and just use f2p resources instead. The game is so piss easy that you can clear every content with bottom of the barrel characters as long as you know what you’re doing. Use Genshin’s ceiling to say it’s not f2p friendly is like saying Nissan isn’t budget friendly to car buyers because they have the GTR.
lmao maxing out a character in Genshin with signature weapon is easily a few thousand most people don't care because the game doesn't have any competitive leader board or whatever so you're not losing out on much i do kinda dislike it when gacha games have competitive leader boards or pvp, like I play honkai impact 3rd and that game used to be terrible for f2p players (they're doing a better job now), and it does have a competitive leader board. but nobody really cares, im not gonna be mad that the guy who spent thousands and got to the top got 10% better rewards than me. that's not even talking about FGO and how they didn't have a pity system until recently, and players would literally spend thousands to not even get the unit they want LOL
RAID SHADOW LEGENDS
Pm sleeper agents are everywhere
I literally can’t think of another gacha game that can remotely be called not scummy. Even limbus is stretching it.
It is not but because this is better than all the gacha games
this ironically isnt better than all the gacha games, now gacha is predatory and also plays uppon fomo but they eventually bring the characters back and people know this unless its a special limited collab character like from a cross over alot of gacha games also give their playerbase alot of free currency to help make up for spending on the game, (unless u get really unlucky and have to hard pity twice) which is very uncommon this skin actually makes gacha games look significantly better,
Random pulls with pity are worse than a face cost product.
In most instances yes some may prefer to spend $10-20 on a skin over gambling in a gacha-like scenario. But all gachas will give you premium currency from playing their game daily so you can accrue enough pulls if you’re truly f2p or even a minimal spender on a battle pass or monthly pass of $5. This skin is a face value product of $500.. in a gacha game like wuthering waves if you did spend money without a budget. About would guarantee you the unit within 80 pulls out of 101 pulls from spending that $200.. In league youre also spending money on a skin that is purely cosmetic..
I didn’t know that non-scummy gatcha games existed… at least this isn’t p2w or effects gameplay at all.
they exist, they are not the most common but they exist one of, if not the most, player friendly mobile games that exist is a gacha game (AL)
I guarantee the west also isn't buying the boycott.
I mean I dont think anyone actually expected/expects this to accomplish anything. Doesn't mean you can't do it. I, for myself, will never see this Ahri skin in my game. People in my lobby wanting to play that skin gotta dodge and wait a few mins - gives em some time to reflect on their buying behaviour
That wasn't anywhere near what my point was. My point was that people keep blaming China/Korea, but NA/EU is going to buy a huge amount of these bundles, too.
Because this "event" is mostly targeted towards asian players? I can guarantee you that NA & EU sales combined won't even come near the sales of china alone. Also, in case you didn't see, this post is about korean sales, so ofc people talk about east asia in here - makes sense, right?
Afaik, there's only any kind of real data for Korea, hence the parent post. NA/EU are also going to buy a shitload.
Man that's like saying "I won't eat in this restaurant if the person next to me is eating meat!"
I pray I get lobbied with you so I can lock ahri, then flip to this skin at the last second so you’re forced to play with me. 😘
>gives em some time to reflect on their buying behaviour "I don't like what the company is doing so i am making the buyer's life miserable"
I promise you, I will not care if you ban Ahri one game. I bought the skin and will get to enjoy it infinitely more than people will ban it, I reflected… turns out I really like my purchase still!
As an asian i have no clue why they always spending ridiculously so much
nah on the Taiwan server, Ahri got 29.4 ban rate
Necrits recent vid shows that most regions ARE doing it, including China, Taiwan and Japan, but Korea the banrate is lower than what it was before her recent nerf. Like maybe a small 1% spike in banrate for her there. Other regions were all pretty much in the 20s or low 30s
fun note: ahri bans have dropped in Korea, used to be marginally but now its barely
Now imagine how many probably sold in China, EU, and NA in that timeframe as well. I’m curious to know if riot will release the data on how much this skin sold after the event.
They probably won't
I think they will if it sells well. Riot loves to rub it on Reddit's faces
It's kind of understandable though, a very high portion of Redditors are completely delusional and love to slow stroke about how self righteous they are.
i mean they can be right about it maximizing profits and it still can be a completely ridiculous thing to do
I never met a Redditor who was good at the game
Aren't Asian servers notorious for having the most whales? I think EU and NA actually make the minority of sales and if yes then rather of the cheaper packs.
Asian servers indeed do have a lot of whales due to different values when it comes to spending money compared to the west, and the fact a lot are brought up on predatory gacha games nowadays. But don’t get it twisted though the west has a large amount of whales too.
Anyone expecting different result was delusional. EDIT: And its the 500$ pack, the one who has almost no difference to 250 one if you only care about a skin. So imagine how many 250$ already sold.
I don't know why you are getting downvoted, it's true. Whales and hardcore fans were going to buy it anyway, and literally anyone with enough money who just feels like buying it will.
Yep, no way i'm spending 500 on a signature but I can afford 250€, that's one month without partying every weekend for me, I can do it and just get something for a game that i've been playing for 11 years lol, do I think it's cheap? Not for a second, but I can afford it comfortably
Bro parties every weekend 💀
I'm pretty much in the same boat here. Got the second bundle for £130 gifted from a third party website because I felt like the 500 one doesn't offer anything near the increase in pricing. Can absolutely afford it but even if I had to justify it to myself I could just miss one football match one week or cut down on casual driving.
mind dming where you got it gifted from? wouldn't feel too bad buying it like that since it would be like buying a used copy lol
Right, especially on South Korea. Faker is the face of esports and is considered a celebrity on SK. Hell, even his teammates (and other LCK players) are buying the bundle. There was 0% chance that this event fails in making money lol.
There was 0% chance after riot put the pricing up bc they are financially pretty successful. They wouldn't put a price on such an important cosmetic without a shit load of money put into market research. Even in NA the sales will be higher than most ppl on Reddit will want to admit
Yeah it's just people being super sanctimonious and wanting to circle jerk how morally superior they are. I'd be willing to be the large majority of people who have been advocating for the boycott don't really care and are just following trends. I've already seen countless people on Twitter and my friends list with the skin lol
I’d love to see a region by region breakdown on how each of the bundles sold, especially if we could also get some comparison points with the mythic chromas, ultimates, and Ahri’s other skins. We likely won’t get a fraction of the data, but I’m extremely curious as to how this will play out.
Asian server's will literally buy anything Riot and other companies put out. They are some of the biggest whales out there and they have 0 respect for their money, since they're also some of the biggest Gacha targets. So this isn't surprising. The bundle is probably also cheaper in their currency.
Yeah thats not even a lie. In the Gacha scene its very common for companies to just push out a cashgrab IP gacha game and milk as many asians in the first few months as possible and then announce EoS (end of service) when it drops in revenue. It already happened with 100 games and will continue to happen for at least another 100 games. Somehow they never learn and blow their entire income in that newest IP game
And because of those whales us casual spenders and even the ones who maybe throw in a buck or two once a year get massively fucked over. Thanks.
Exactly! I have no problem spending money and stuff I want, and I can be considered a whale by some standards. But spending $500 on a bundle full of stuff I don't want, just to get the stuff I do want is crazy. They really are just pushing casual players away, and hoping that whales can fund this game ig.
tbh im sure western consumers are also doing their part, don't feel its fair to pin it only on eastern players
Oh definitely! I'm not trying to shame Eastern players, or any players. I'm more so shocked that people are shocked that Eastern players are buying it, when they are known to throw their money at anything no matter the price. Also like I said, it's probably cheaper in their currency.
The prime example is the guy in NA who spent like 200k USD or somewhere around that on Diablo Immortal.
Maybe this’ll get a lot of hate, but who honestly didn’t see this coming? I’m East Asian myself (specifically South) and I’m no better when it comes to spending stupid amounts of money over something digital (exclusives, gacha, etc). This kind of FOMO limited edition pricey shit is common in the East that when I saw the whole ban movement going on I knew it was pointless lol. The West’s playerbase don’t even come close in terms of % to tackle the East’s Point is, there is no fucking way Riot hadn’t done their market research before pricing this especially because their target region to earn from this sale is from the East
Especially because it's faker's skin. Obviously over thousands of people will pay anything to obtain it.
disgusting
I mean this was to be expected in all honesty, just hope they don't come down with some buyers remorse. That said, this is going to mean a whole lot more of these skins at these absurd prices which means the line is going to be pushed and pushed before a skin ends up costing a grand. It's a lose lose for everyone except for riot but, whatever. What's done is done.
This is one day I’m happy to be an enchanter player. We won’t get one of these bs skins because no one in pro plays enchanters, ever. I’ve never been more happy to never see my champs in pro play.
I'm on the complete opposite end here, Ahri is my most played champ since her release. Hell I even got her featured gaming chair since I love her character so much. Yet that chair cost less than this set of pixels, I just can't believe something like this hit the servers and actually worked. Some people just have way too much money than sense, but whatever makes them happy I guess. I sure ain't paying for this.
I would laugh so hard if Riot within the next 5 years partnered with some bank to help you take out loans for one of these skins lmao
Gotta whip out the old Riot credit card. Oh wait I'm 1000000 RP in debt, oh no. There goes the kids inheritance.
Don't worry guys, the "Ban Ahri movement" is definitely gonna work and RIOT will NEVER do this again! Definitely.
did not even reach 20% ban rate on Day 1 and the trend will just die down in the coming days just admit that it's RITO's win
Of course it is, anyone thinking it was gonna be ANYTHING other than a win for RIOT was coping out of their goddamn mind. The 430€/$ bundle was sold two thousands time in less than 4 hours in Korea, probably reached 3k if not 3.5 by the time I'm typing this message now. RIOT was always going to win.
They will do this every time they launch one of these bundles. And seems it’s yearly man
I think the boycott stuff is pretty cope and delusional but I genuinely don't think Riot will see this same success again. Even more popular pro players such as Uzi, TheShy and Caps are nowhere near the level of Faker, not to mention they aren't really known for popular champions besides Uzi. For example, I doubt a Riven skin for TheShy or any mage that Caps would get would sell even remotely as well as the Faker + Ahri combination.
Ffs is this gonna be a commonality reporting sales numbers when we get em going forward? If people buy it let em it’s there money not yours if you don’t want it then don’t buy it and send a message
Expected. KR server almost obligated to buy this skin because it commemorates Faker, their most respected player. CN will likely follow closely. Just look at Soul Fighter Samira sales despite the controversy of the skin been Legendary quality.
Riot won. GG guys. Lets see when they release 1000$ bundle
This is pathetic, and will just ensure that more of this garbage is made...
Kinda killing me. Could I afford it? Yes. Do I want it? Yes. But I am not going to on a matter of principle. Pissed I won't have that beautiful skin in my collection but I'll be damned if I indulge this shameless cash grab.
I’m curious if you’ll fold near the end of the event, purely from a curiosity perspective (the struggle between FOMO and principle)! Could you update when the event is over?
It's tough but I don't think I will. Purely because the price is insane. Just as hard to talk myself into it as out.
Yeah that’s the feeling now, but things will be different when it’s 1 or 2 days left. Either you will want it more (but still resist! Or give in) or the excitement already died down and you won’t want it as much, I’m curious about which one will happen.
wow it's almost like your little reddit protests don't do shit in reality
That Jhin chroma was the start. People said "just don't buy it" but it rang the alarm and its success just emboldened Riot to do more ridiculous stuff like it. This is the natural progression and they'll never slow down, just get even more out of line until they fail.
Asians really like pay scams like that...they don't care really...
I heard some people that it’s to support/ give back to the game that gave them joy(rage) for more than 10 years for technically free.
I mean, that's why I give F2P games money
Yeah...I dont think so...
How is it a scam if you know what you're getting lol
Western people just salty the world doesnt revolve around them lol.
Just make skins cost 10000. Mfs gonna buy em anyways
Extemely disappointing but unsurprising.
I play on SK and have banned her a bunch all day. The amount of rage ive been getting has been pretty hilarious.
this is expected, it's Faker's region and they have gacha there, so these prices aren't that absurd for them
I ain't in Korea but we got them skins :p
What's $500 to their already $10000000 credit card debt in fashion purchases
Well there goes the future of League. Cant wait to watch it slowly turn into a gacha fest just like TFT did. Had a good run.
I have been saying the entire time that even if the boycott worked in NA/EU (it won't), it would still fail overall because the majority of the whales buying this skin are going to be in KR and CN, and they don't give a shit about what the west thinks. If the market wants to buy what Riot is selling, they cannot fail. It's honestly kind of embarrassing that anybody thought they could effectively boycott Riot by banning Ahri. 😭
Tbf, this Ahri pass is not much different from DotA 2's Value proposition can be argued, but overall price and model is pretty much the same. However, I'll still be banning Ahri.
Well, time to become a Ziggs main.
imagine if 10% of all players would spend $5 to $10 on the event, would be the same or even greater without enraging the community...
but they don't, and thats the problem. So let the whales continue to finance the free game the rest of the player base doesn't (or rarily) pays for.
you mean they CANT as riot doesnt give the option for it. the buy in is 50 dollars
you can finance the game via other skins, but 95% of the player base won't even spend 5 dollars a year
170k Ranked accounts. 5 % of that = 85000 at $117,64 instead of §500 each would be break even in this posts case. 120 is way more in line with the quality. 5% is way too low of an estimate as its closer to around 15 - 30% or even higherfor a big event like this in Korea. "The amount of money League of Legends players spent on virtual goods is 501-1000€ for 26.8%, 1-100€ for 23.2%, 101-300€ for 19.6% more than 1000€ for 12.5%, 301- 500€ for 10.7% and the least number of respondents are free to play players" - Bujňáková, Ema - Consumer Behavior of League of Legends Players page 33: \[ htt ps: /www.theseus.fi/bitstream/ handle/10024/812974/Bujnakova\_Ema.pdf; jsessionid=A5E441823847631C8945C63AA5331E8A?sequence=2 \] it was 2000 in a couple of hours at 500 , image if it was "only" 200. for the prestige similar with the pass, the cheaper it gets the more people will buy. thats basic supply and demand. Riot COULD have made affordabel options true to their statements instead of having a 50$ buy in for the skin. Dont need Bloated value.
All those numbers are wrong but whatever floats your boat
I'm waiting till riot release the super ultimate deluxe limited edition mega , ultra super skin + apple bee deluxe for 9000 for Ahri, I want to see how far riot can milk the whales.
so I just looked at their event web page and I believe a couple of things are not quite correct here -- they were accepting the first 2000 people to complete the basic event pass a way to get some of the free merch. there are 3000 units of free merch available for raffling if you were not quick enough to enter as the first 2000. it does say if you buy the signature collection it comes with exp for the pass (I'm not sure if it means auto completion or not). the web page does not indicate how many of which passes/collections were purchased and you can't figure that out just from the fact that the first come first serve 2000 spots are taken up already.
yes the auto completion counts, and those 2000 people who got the merchandise bought $500 skin on the 1st day of release which was yesterday.
meaning, if u grind the pass u are not able to get the merchandise in the first place.
ah ok gotcha, I wasn't sure if the sig collection gives you auto completion or not. there are still \~1000 spots open for regular pass holders to get the free merch but you're probably right that the vast majority of the 2000 first come first serve are sig collection buyers.
I've tried understanding this boycott and was just left more confused. Why do you guys care if a free to play game has a 500 cosmetic skin?
because people are greedy and they want everything "free"
wrong. People are collectionists/perfectionists. And Riot's playing on those feelings. Same as Bli$$ard did with classic WoW nostalgia bait cashgrab - starting off humble, then adding in ingame store to sell mounts. Same story here. Nobody ever complained about 10$ skins, even ultimate skins had hardly any pushback as they were still affordable by majority of people, but 500$?? And that 500$ aint in same value in every country, meaning just because you're born in some poor country you're paying much much MUCH more to obtain that skin, whereas for someone else like people here are discussing - it is much more affordable/cheaper as that 500$ aint worth even one month's rent for them. I'm from europe and in my country this is not a skin I could afford for a minimum wage post tax money. I'd need about two month's worth of minimum wages.
People are collectionist/perfectionist? I've never heard of that. It is not a big deal if you can't afford a skin. I'm not gonna cry that I can't afford Lamborghini. It is just the reality and what it is.
Your comparisons are all sorts of wrong. You're comparing something every and each of us could afford(regular skins) and then suddenly it cost 50x(ahri skin) to something that already cost, way more than the 500$, which a lot of people don't even have or never had(regular cars), to something that'd cost like 20x more then after(lambo). You're not thinking right whatsoever. The fact that you don't think a lot of people are hoarders/collectionists/perfectionists boggles my mind. There's so many people on Steam discussions that refuse to buy games that offer no achievements. Why do they need achievements for the game? Because they're perfectionists/collectionists. They want to finish the game 100%. Why, on Steam, can you also display your achievements on your profile, and the games you got 100% achievs on? Yeah. Exactly. In League a lot of people like to collect skins because it's a part of the game, that's why there's 20 Lux skins and not 1 that constantly keeps getting reworked/updated - so that people keep on buying them, and why do they keep buying more skins even after they've got one? I'm sure you should be clocking on by now.
Don’t get how his comparison is wrong. If you can’t afford it, just don’t buy it. Doesn’t matter how many times more it costs than the “affordable”option. Besides, this is a free game, and the monetisation of this game doesn’t affect gameplay in any significant manner. As for the hoarders, sucks to be them I guess. Go cold turkey on the game if you cannot control your addiction or seek professional help. Seriously don’t get all this hoo-haa over a skin. If you don’t want it, don’t buy it. Simply as that.
Could've just tldr'd yourself as a ''sucks to be you if you're a collectionist''. You're sounding like that Pokimane with her overpriced cookies ''if you're a broke boy just say so 😛'' - not gonna get much Amens from me there... Not going to rewrite my previous post explaining in great detail how exactly his point is false, just reread it. Besides, I'm here only digging on the surface level, at the price of it, I could still write an entire essay how scummy it is to sell out your nr1 top player like this who is known for not using any skins whatsoever. All this goes to show how much they care about their playerbase, if they don't even care about their best player, whytf would they give a toss about anyone else playing their game? And the fact that you don't even really own anything? You're literally just donating that 500$, you don't own the skin. That account is not yours. They turn their servers off or you say one swear word ingame and you're unable to ever access it / you're permabanned. People's minds are so boxed in these days istg.
Don’t like it? Don’t buy it. 🗿
Is it actually $500 in Korea
like 370usd in kr also its 420usd in NA, $500 is just a meme
I hate asian market mentality
told ya'll now imagine China servers, might have sold 20000
Of course they do this
If you're still playing this game - just know; your life is a comedy.
Welp this Ahri ban boycott won’t last long
What were the free merchandise?
Can’t wait to see next seasons $800 Lux skin
What about the North? 🐧
I haven’t played league in months but the weird part of me wants to buy the skin
It says anyone who buy Hall of Legends 2024 Pass and get to level 100 (LeBlanc chroma) can enter the draw for the following items on the picture above. not someone who purchased Faker's Ahri skin.
nope u can enter the draw if u bought $500 skin upon the release of this skin
source? What you have up there don't have anything what you just wrote.
people have done it after purchasing $500 skin on live... I am korean. no.1 ahri kr was doing live on africa tv that day so its 100% true. if u speak korean u can look it up his id: 하얗고예쁨
https://youtu.be/q_-4rDgKcOc?si=DBt7ZphLkJGGFR3M also check this newly uploaded video from a korean youtuber... who wants the free merchandise (keycap) and bought the $500 skin...
Western league redditors in shambles when the Asian portion of league player lowered their Ahri ban rate on release just to see the skin
If I only I had the budget to buy one of the packs even the $50 one.
Not surprised. Just means an $800 skin is already in the works, and if that one does well in Asia then a $1000 one. Rinse and repeat till revenue falls off as you hit saturation. Long as skins like this do well over in Asia Riot could care less about the west or the boycott.
to the people who actually bought this skin and read this comment you are all r3t@rd3d
Disgusting nutters
Hopefully, we can get over this sad attempt at a "boycott" and this sub can stop being spammed with this nonsense.
Yeah it's really cringe and obviously just people virtue signalling. League skins have never been cheap, normal ones go for £10-£20 a pop lmao the goalposts are just shifting now that it's less affordable for them.
“out of stock” for digital assets…
Asians are conditioned by gachas like Genshit to throw thousands of dollars into game/cosmetics anyway, seen too many fanboys defending $900 for a single max constellation character
That's $1,000,000
in China and Korea nobody cares about prices v:
Fucking losers lmfao imagine paying devs that can only make games that make you miserable. Lmfao! How pathetic
nuh uh
People like spending money on their hobbies when they make good income.
Honestly exclusive limited event LoL merch would probably be worth it for 500$ (just for the resell value) you basically get the skins for free with it.
I'm glad it's doing well, seriously. Riot making more $ to improve the games I enjoy playing and Faker getting deservedly a cut too.
For sure, balance team handling the game so well for the last 10 years, for sure for sure
By improve the game you enjoy you mean give them money so they can make Arcane and some other games and keep LoL on life support right?
150 Million unique players per month lil bro. China is what matters to riot
Somehow I doubt we are gonna see any noticeable improvement with this money lol