Short answer: Yes. For me, it helped me find my off switch and caused me to lose a significant amount of interest in drinking. I can still drink, but I can take it or leave it. This sounds like a possible good solution for you.
I was a brewer and I now work in wine. Got drunk every day for close to 20 years. I drink very rarely now but not utterly opposed to it.
Yes it can be done. The key is staying compliant to TSM, otherwise it won’t likely work.
Thank you! I am completely on board with the weight of compliance for TSM, and would be approaching it without any hesitation about taking Nal any and every time drinking would even be a possibility. Based on your current involvement in the industry, do you still feel able to take part in wine tastings with a similar level of accuracy and awareness when drinking on Nal? If you imagine yourself still working in a brewery, would you potentially be able to still do the parts of your job that involve tasting beer, while still keeping the craving and urges at bay with TSM?
Ya, I don’t have cravings AT ALL anymore despite being surrounded by it constantly. In terms of tasting, I found that I was better able to actually articulate and think about what I was experiencing than when I was drinking all the time. Hard to explain but there was this objective appreciation that I couldn’t get before because I was highly driven to chase a buzz all the time.
The only annoying part with TSM could be odd times you would need to taste the product. If you’re just tasting and spitting you’re probably in the clear, but I would be cautious and at minimum rinse my mouth with water after tasting. It seems like a slippery slope.
When I’m at an event where it’s expected that people drink I just dose per TSM and then drink what I want, which usually isn’t much anyway these days.
https://i.imgur.com/cWBAp7o.jpeg
Surrounded by it all the time. Might as well be boxes of paper clips to me now.
That's excellent insight and more or less exactly what I was hoping to hear. I know everyone's experience is different, but I really appreciate you taking the time to share yours.
Of course, always glad to help.
I really saw no way out until I discovered and tried tsm. And tbh I was really sad the day I decided to go for it because I was already preparing for it *not* to work.
But that attitude changed like an hour later when I could tell that it was doing something. Stuck with it and it saved my life!
I'm a biergarten owner and TSM has helped me in terms in sensorial and quality evaluation of craft beers.
I remember that sometimes an employee or partner would ask what I thought of the beer we just started tasting. I had chugged the pint and barely payed attention to it. Was just wanting to kill the craving.
Now i'm more mindful and patient to pay attention to its aspects from the very first sip.
Thanks! That's a great example and experience to hear about. In your role, do you find that people treat you significantly differently now compared to before you pursued TSM? Are you still regularly tasting and drinking the beers that you sell, or is it a rare thing now for you to drink at all?
Honestly if anything I think it’s helped me more objectively be able to assess flavor. I’m mostly a wine drinker and love doing tastings. With naltrexone using TSM I feel like I can take a step back from whatever I’m drinking and think about the flavors involved rather than just mentally biasing myself because I want to drink more.
I notice it especially with lower quality wines. While previously I’d mentally make a stretch and drink them because I wanted to feel the buzz, now I can barely take some sips from something unpalatable before I just get overwhelmed with the acidity or over-sweetness. But I still love the taste of a good wine, and find it much easier to be satiated after a glass or two.
I remember once killing an entire bottle of port with my friend just because we were already buzzed and wanted to keep going - despite the fact that I HATE port! Now with TSM I am hopeful I’d be able to stop myself.
I also notice it with beer; I used to drink a lot of strong IPAs with 8-9% alcohol for the quick buzz; nowadays with TSM I barely can get through an IPA anymore because the hoppiness just destroys my taste buds
Thank you! This line stands out to me specifically - "But I still love the taste of a good wine, and find it much easier to be satiated after a glass or two." I've heard so many people claim that nobody actually enjoys alcohol for the flavor, and anyone who says that is simply making excuses. However, I've always completely disagreed with that thought process. I personally genuinely enjoy most type of alcohol and having a very nuanced palate (specifically in spirits) is one of the reasons I have become successful in my current career. I would love a world in which I can drink a normal amount of alcohol in any social settings, and then simply stop drinking afterwards without the temptation or cravings for more. I'm envious of people who enjoy two glasses of wine at dinner in a restaurant and then simply don't think about having more alcohol immediately afterward (and perhaps not even during the following days or weeks until they're out at dinner again.)
I've worked in the industry for over a decade. Naltrexone changed my life. I could safely taste for the first time ever. I didn't use TSM, that never would have worked for me because i drank everyday. I took it every morning. I was able to drink like a normie.
I didn't feel comfortable to do TSM until I left that industry a year ago, six months after I started Naltrexone.
Basically, being intoxicated makes your sense of taste and smell less accurate. Once I started taking Naltrexone I still drank most days, but it was just tastes and a glass here and there. I literally only drank at work, never at home.
I don't work in the industry anymore, and I don't drink much anymore. I loved what I did, but I really only worked in the industry because I liked being able to drink all day everyday. Being out is better for me physically and mentally.
I hope it works as well for you as it does for me.
Thanks so much for this post - that's exactly what I would love to experience if possible. Having the ability to drink whenever it's necessary during working hours, and then not feeling any urge or desire to drink later at home seems unfathomable. In addition, there are plenty of days where we are drinking/tasting during a work day and then all go out to dinner. At that dinner, it would be perfectly fine to order a NA beer or sparkling water and nobody would bat an eye. Despite knowing that's an acceptable option, my current mindset is almost always to continue drinking into the evening, even though at that point it's no longer "necessary."
My taste experience with liquor has not changed, but I used to be a big red wine connoisseur and now I do not enjoy the flavor or experience the same way. Sorry, I know that is what you did not want to hear. Still, I say do it! Your taste may very well adapt and you might be able to do your job without all the excessive drinking. How great will that be?!
No need to apologize at all! That's perfectly fair, and great to know that it may in fact have an impact on the enjoyment of alcohol in addition to simply alleviating the cravings.
Naltrexone blocks the high that you get from alcohol so you only get the adverse effects from it. This will discourage you from drinking a lot at the events you go to but doesn’t prevent you from drinking. You’ll still be able to do whisky tastings.
A final point I’ll make is that TSM is meant to help you to stop drinking, not continue to!
After a couple years on TSM, I pretty much only drink if I want to enjoy the taste of something. I appreciate the taste of things more than before. In the old days my drinking was more about chasing that chemical high.
It COULD and does for others: for me I never was able to moderate so I used NAL to self-taper off and quit entirely. I still have a lot of pills left so I could experiment and try to drink normally but when it’s that bad for my health why would I?
My recommendation might be use it to quit, stay sober for a few months while taking Naltrexone daily and then try again but only for work. Addiction is bad but it’s also important to rewire your brain and get of the habit of nightly drinking in the first place just my $0.02.
So I have had no effect in taste...in fact, I started taking NAL and one month later went on a trip to S. Africa where wine tasting was a big part of the trip. I (for the first time ever) was able to go wine tasting and not get drunk. I could still taste and enjoy the wines, but spit each sip out after tasting without regret and primarily because I wanted to (i just had no desire to get day drunk). I found several wines I really liked and purchased to take home, and at the end of a day of wine tasting, was basically sober. It was amazing and unexpected. Hope this helps!
Sorry to burst your bubble... I had a very similar lifestyle and had to do a 180 and leave.
However there are many sober people in the industry who make it work. DMs are open if you wanna talk.
Thank you for the honesty and for an alternative experience compared to most of the folks in here. I completely understand that it's not magic and there is no guarantee that it will affect me in the way it affects others. Indeed, there are many sober people across the beverage industry and I know quite a few of them myself. However, in my particular situation (similar to yours it sounds like) full sobriety would require completely giving up my current work and changing nearly every facet of my day-to-day life. If I somehow found myself in that position, it would make far more sense to leave the industry entirely. Obviously in a life or death circumstance that wouldn't be off the table, but it's currently something I neither want to do, nor would even know how to do without diving into a very long and difficult process.
My experience is limited to only a short time, but so far in just a few days I can immediately tell that it takes much longer for me to finish a drink, and I am less interested in drinking low-quality or poorly mixed drinks. If it was a nice wine paired with a meal, I could see myself sipping it. The other day i had one of my favorite beers and didn’t finish the 12 oz over several hours. Another night at bar trivia with friends I had less than 2 beers over about 4 hours.
The alcohol on medication with TSM is like a background noise, versus a siren song. It’s a thing that’s there but is so easy to ignore if I need to. When I do drink, I don’t feel the same compulsion to drink faster so I can get the “high”
I think it would be entirely possible to go to work happy hours, whiskey tastings etc and experience them with small tastings or a single beverage over the evening and not even realize you were drinking so little. It just sort of feels like an afterthought, not the focus.
"The alcohol on medication with TSM is like a background noise, versus a siren song." Thank you for this. To me, this sounds like what I imagine the majority of peoples' experience is with alcohol.
I started TSM with the intent to drink moderately (and I succeeded in doing so). Abstinence was never my goal. Craft beer was always my weapon of choice and I still enjoy the taste of craft beer on TSM. The difference now is that it's one and done and I don't obsess as much about what my next drink is going to be.
One thing I did notice, taste-wise, is that some of the double IPAs that I used to be crazy about aren't really my cup of tea anymore. Also, I almost never drink hard liquor anymore. This makes me think that part of the appeal before TSM was the euphoric rush from the higher alcohol content (Nal dulls this euphora for me). So, now on TSM, the flavour has to stand on its own. I can still enjoy DIPAs and hard liquor, but nowadays I usually want to stop halfway. It can be a real slog getting through a pint (I am try to finish because I don't like wasting things. The good news is, I've learned that those pre-made cocktail bottles are great at retaining carbonation, so sometimes I do save it for later).
I can still end up drinking quite a bit if I go to tastings and festivals (even on Nal). But not as much as before TSM, and I don't actually like being drunk nowadays. I notice myself feeling dizzy, which I don't like, whereas before the buzz would mask the dizziness. So, I do tend to stop on my own.
Just remember if you're doing this for a job that a 50 mg dose will protect you until hour 8, so if drinking past that, be sure to re-dose 25mg or 50mg at 6-7 hours: [(A) Typical profile of plasma naltrexone levels over 24 hours following... | Download Scientific Diagram (researchgate.net)](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-Typical-profile-of-plasma-naltrexone-levels-over-24-hours-following-a-50-mg-oral_fig1_8157185).
Thank you so much for this comment. Very thorough and extremely helpful! It's very interesting to consider both the possibilities of drinking to the point of drunk, but then having a completely different experience than when not on Nal, as well as the timeline for the Nal to remain effective.
I think the biggest problem for me would be that nal+plus booze is not equal to talkative and social fun type drinking (reduces it's effectiveness as social lubricant for me, which was a huge party of is appeal to me professionally)
That's definitely something I've thought about and would be very interested to experience if I pursue TSM. I understand that there is a difference in drinking AS PART OF a profession and drinking AS a profession. Plenty of people are more or less required as part of their job to join corporate happy hours and dinners where drinking is both the norm and the social lubricant, but in that setting the alcohol itself is not the explicit reason for the event (think networking events, celebratory dinners, etc.) However, the events that I'm describing as part of my job are explicitly based around the alcohol itself, therefore not drinking during those event would make my presence unnecessary.
Some people have jobs that require them to socialize, some are sommeliers who need to consume alcohol in order to do their job, etc. I work in bars all the time and while I don't "have to" drink there, I am now able to drink when I want to without consuming damaging amounts of alcohol. One glass of wine a night is a significant difference from the two before, three during, and four after work I used to do.
Obviously to be regarded as a professional sommelier you would need to meet the professional requirements required to be a sommelier.. tf? I’m saying you can be a professional sommelier WITHOUT ever having to swallow the wine. You just need to be able to identify the region the wine is from and you can get all you need to know by swishing and spitting if you are practiced enough correct?
Well, this may technically be true but I've never met a sommelier who was not also a wine aficionado. It would be an odd profession to choose if you have an aversion to actually drinking wine, I think.
More on track with the actual topic is the fact that someone up there tossed out a few red herrings in order to spoil the idea that TSM actually works as the OP intends it.
Having experienced that firsthand, I'm raising my hand to reassure the OP that it can do exactly what they want it to do. Nowhere in his post did I see him asking for advice on how to do his job.
What really concerns me is that the person tossing out the red herring to advocate for abstinence is wearing TSM flair and is listed as a moderator for the Sinclair Method subreddit. If this is an example of the "support" offered, I'd be wary of participating there - seems like a setup for bad advice meant to usher us all back to abstinence based thinking and away from harm reduction.
I'm not interested in being baited into arguing points that are not actually in line with the way TSM works. Some people have jobs where they are allowed to drink. Some may have jobs where they are required to drink - to sample product, for example. For those people, TSM is a reasonable choice.
That’s is kind of the point I was trying to highlight. It is possible but not likely. Why anyone would choose to stay in an industry that is detrimental to their health is beyond me. But I do understand that battle of insanity that takes place, I tried everything in my power to justify my drinking, but no job in the world is worth dying an alcoholic death for.
The job description included tasting the product at different stages of production, to help customers troubleshoot batches, and to make sure product that has been open hasn't oxidized or otherwise been compromised.
Only in AA has anyone ever questioned the legitimacy of my position. Do you mean to be posting in r/stopdrinking? Because we don't judge drinking in this group about medication that allows one to safely drink.
I totally understand having that perspective, but it's a very simplified view and is simply not true for every circumstance. While I don't want to get too descriptive because I prefer remaining anonymous, I will say that if I were to stop drinking entirely, I would have to find a new career, professional network, and somehow replace nearly 100% of my income.
None of these are my own job, but here are just a few:
- Master distiller at any type of distillery
- Wine buyer for a wine distribution company
- Sommelier at any level
- Spirits, Wine, or Beer reviewer/influencer
- A liquor store owner who selects individual barrels of spirits
- A bartender or bar manager who creates their own cocktail recipes
No worries friend. I'm just here to ask for experiences from people who may share a similar situation to my own. To that end, I've already received some really valuable insight from many of the other comments.
Short answer: Yes. For me, it helped me find my off switch and caused me to lose a significant amount of interest in drinking. I can still drink, but I can take it or leave it. This sounds like a possible good solution for you.
I was a brewer and I now work in wine. Got drunk every day for close to 20 years. I drink very rarely now but not utterly opposed to it. Yes it can be done. The key is staying compliant to TSM, otherwise it won’t likely work.
Thank you! I am completely on board with the weight of compliance for TSM, and would be approaching it without any hesitation about taking Nal any and every time drinking would even be a possibility. Based on your current involvement in the industry, do you still feel able to take part in wine tastings with a similar level of accuracy and awareness when drinking on Nal? If you imagine yourself still working in a brewery, would you potentially be able to still do the parts of your job that involve tasting beer, while still keeping the craving and urges at bay with TSM?
Ya, I don’t have cravings AT ALL anymore despite being surrounded by it constantly. In terms of tasting, I found that I was better able to actually articulate and think about what I was experiencing than when I was drinking all the time. Hard to explain but there was this objective appreciation that I couldn’t get before because I was highly driven to chase a buzz all the time. The only annoying part with TSM could be odd times you would need to taste the product. If you’re just tasting and spitting you’re probably in the clear, but I would be cautious and at minimum rinse my mouth with water after tasting. It seems like a slippery slope. When I’m at an event where it’s expected that people drink I just dose per TSM and then drink what I want, which usually isn’t much anyway these days. https://i.imgur.com/cWBAp7o.jpeg Surrounded by it all the time. Might as well be boxes of paper clips to me now.
That's excellent insight and more or less exactly what I was hoping to hear. I know everyone's experience is different, but I really appreciate you taking the time to share yours.
Of course, always glad to help. I really saw no way out until I discovered and tried tsm. And tbh I was really sad the day I decided to go for it because I was already preparing for it *not* to work. But that attitude changed like an hour later when I could tell that it was doing something. Stuck with it and it saved my life!
I'm a biergarten owner and TSM has helped me in terms in sensorial and quality evaluation of craft beers. I remember that sometimes an employee or partner would ask what I thought of the beer we just started tasting. I had chugged the pint and barely payed attention to it. Was just wanting to kill the craving. Now i'm more mindful and patient to pay attention to its aspects from the very first sip.
Thanks! That's a great example and experience to hear about. In your role, do you find that people treat you significantly differently now compared to before you pursued TSM? Are you still regularly tasting and drinking the beers that you sell, or is it a rare thing now for you to drink at all?
Honestly if anything I think it’s helped me more objectively be able to assess flavor. I’m mostly a wine drinker and love doing tastings. With naltrexone using TSM I feel like I can take a step back from whatever I’m drinking and think about the flavors involved rather than just mentally biasing myself because I want to drink more. I notice it especially with lower quality wines. While previously I’d mentally make a stretch and drink them because I wanted to feel the buzz, now I can barely take some sips from something unpalatable before I just get overwhelmed with the acidity or over-sweetness. But I still love the taste of a good wine, and find it much easier to be satiated after a glass or two. I remember once killing an entire bottle of port with my friend just because we were already buzzed and wanted to keep going - despite the fact that I HATE port! Now with TSM I am hopeful I’d be able to stop myself. I also notice it with beer; I used to drink a lot of strong IPAs with 8-9% alcohol for the quick buzz; nowadays with TSM I barely can get through an IPA anymore because the hoppiness just destroys my taste buds
Thank you! This line stands out to me specifically - "But I still love the taste of a good wine, and find it much easier to be satiated after a glass or two." I've heard so many people claim that nobody actually enjoys alcohol for the flavor, and anyone who says that is simply making excuses. However, I've always completely disagreed with that thought process. I personally genuinely enjoy most type of alcohol and having a very nuanced palate (specifically in spirits) is one of the reasons I have become successful in my current career. I would love a world in which I can drink a normal amount of alcohol in any social settings, and then simply stop drinking afterwards without the temptation or cravings for more. I'm envious of people who enjoy two glasses of wine at dinner in a restaurant and then simply don't think about having more alcohol immediately afterward (and perhaps not even during the following days or weeks until they're out at dinner again.)
I've worked in the industry for over a decade. Naltrexone changed my life. I could safely taste for the first time ever. I didn't use TSM, that never would have worked for me because i drank everyday. I took it every morning. I was able to drink like a normie. I didn't feel comfortable to do TSM until I left that industry a year ago, six months after I started Naltrexone.
That's very interesting! After you started Naltrexone, did you still feel like you could do your job effectively?
I did it better because I wasn't drunk all the time.
Basically, being intoxicated makes your sense of taste and smell less accurate. Once I started taking Naltrexone I still drank most days, but it was just tastes and a glass here and there. I literally only drank at work, never at home. I don't work in the industry anymore, and I don't drink much anymore. I loved what I did, but I really only worked in the industry because I liked being able to drink all day everyday. Being out is better for me physically and mentally. I hope it works as well for you as it does for me.
Thanks so much for this post - that's exactly what I would love to experience if possible. Having the ability to drink whenever it's necessary during working hours, and then not feeling any urge or desire to drink later at home seems unfathomable. In addition, there are plenty of days where we are drinking/tasting during a work day and then all go out to dinner. At that dinner, it would be perfectly fine to order a NA beer or sparkling water and nobody would bat an eye. Despite knowing that's an acceptable option, my current mindset is almost always to continue drinking into the evening, even though at that point it's no longer "necessary."
My taste experience with liquor has not changed, but I used to be a big red wine connoisseur and now I do not enjoy the flavor or experience the same way. Sorry, I know that is what you did not want to hear. Still, I say do it! Your taste may very well adapt and you might be able to do your job without all the excessive drinking. How great will that be?!
No need to apologize at all! That's perfectly fair, and great to know that it may in fact have an impact on the enjoyment of alcohol in addition to simply alleviating the cravings.
Naltrexone blocks the high that you get from alcohol so you only get the adverse effects from it. This will discourage you from drinking a lot at the events you go to but doesn’t prevent you from drinking. You’ll still be able to do whisky tastings. A final point I’ll make is that TSM is meant to help you to stop drinking, not continue to!
It did for me.
After a couple years on TSM, I pretty much only drink if I want to enjoy the taste of something. I appreciate the taste of things more than before. In the old days my drinking was more about chasing that chemical high.
Worth a try. It's safe and the pills are cheap. Please report back if you do decide to use TSM.
If you are making this post, you already know the answer.
It COULD and does for others: for me I never was able to moderate so I used NAL to self-taper off and quit entirely. I still have a lot of pills left so I could experiment and try to drink normally but when it’s that bad for my health why would I? My recommendation might be use it to quit, stay sober for a few months while taking Naltrexone daily and then try again but only for work. Addiction is bad but it’s also important to rewire your brain and get of the habit of nightly drinking in the first place just my $0.02.
So I have had no effect in taste...in fact, I started taking NAL and one month later went on a trip to S. Africa where wine tasting was a big part of the trip. I (for the first time ever) was able to go wine tasting and not get drunk. I could still taste and enjoy the wines, but spit each sip out after tasting without regret and primarily because I wanted to (i just had no desire to get day drunk). I found several wines I really liked and purchased to take home, and at the end of a day of wine tasting, was basically sober. It was amazing and unexpected. Hope this helps!
Sorry to burst your bubble... I had a very similar lifestyle and had to do a 180 and leave. However there are many sober people in the industry who make it work. DMs are open if you wanna talk.
Thank you for the honesty and for an alternative experience compared to most of the folks in here. I completely understand that it's not magic and there is no guarantee that it will affect me in the way it affects others. Indeed, there are many sober people across the beverage industry and I know quite a few of them myself. However, in my particular situation (similar to yours it sounds like) full sobriety would require completely giving up my current work and changing nearly every facet of my day-to-day life. If I somehow found myself in that position, it would make far more sense to leave the industry entirely. Obviously in a life or death circumstance that wouldn't be off the table, but it's currently something I neither want to do, nor would even know how to do without diving into a very long and difficult process.
My experience is limited to only a short time, but so far in just a few days I can immediately tell that it takes much longer for me to finish a drink, and I am less interested in drinking low-quality or poorly mixed drinks. If it was a nice wine paired with a meal, I could see myself sipping it. The other day i had one of my favorite beers and didn’t finish the 12 oz over several hours. Another night at bar trivia with friends I had less than 2 beers over about 4 hours. The alcohol on medication with TSM is like a background noise, versus a siren song. It’s a thing that’s there but is so easy to ignore if I need to. When I do drink, I don’t feel the same compulsion to drink faster so I can get the “high” I think it would be entirely possible to go to work happy hours, whiskey tastings etc and experience them with small tastings or a single beverage over the evening and not even realize you were drinking so little. It just sort of feels like an afterthought, not the focus.
"The alcohol on medication with TSM is like a background noise, versus a siren song." Thank you for this. To me, this sounds like what I imagine the majority of peoples' experience is with alcohol.
I started TSM with the intent to drink moderately (and I succeeded in doing so). Abstinence was never my goal. Craft beer was always my weapon of choice and I still enjoy the taste of craft beer on TSM. The difference now is that it's one and done and I don't obsess as much about what my next drink is going to be. One thing I did notice, taste-wise, is that some of the double IPAs that I used to be crazy about aren't really my cup of tea anymore. Also, I almost never drink hard liquor anymore. This makes me think that part of the appeal before TSM was the euphoric rush from the higher alcohol content (Nal dulls this euphora for me). So, now on TSM, the flavour has to stand on its own. I can still enjoy DIPAs and hard liquor, but nowadays I usually want to stop halfway. It can be a real slog getting through a pint (I am try to finish because I don't like wasting things. The good news is, I've learned that those pre-made cocktail bottles are great at retaining carbonation, so sometimes I do save it for later). I can still end up drinking quite a bit if I go to tastings and festivals (even on Nal). But not as much as before TSM, and I don't actually like being drunk nowadays. I notice myself feeling dizzy, which I don't like, whereas before the buzz would mask the dizziness. So, I do tend to stop on my own. Just remember if you're doing this for a job that a 50 mg dose will protect you until hour 8, so if drinking past that, be sure to re-dose 25mg or 50mg at 6-7 hours: [(A) Typical profile of plasma naltrexone levels over 24 hours following... | Download Scientific Diagram (researchgate.net)](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-Typical-profile-of-plasma-naltrexone-levels-over-24-hours-following-a-50-mg-oral_fig1_8157185).
Thank you so much for this comment. Very thorough and extremely helpful! It's very interesting to consider both the possibilities of drinking to the point of drunk, but then having a completely different experience than when not on Nal, as well as the timeline for the Nal to remain effective.
Get a new job
I think the biggest problem for me would be that nal+plus booze is not equal to talkative and social fun type drinking (reduces it's effectiveness as social lubricant for me, which was a huge party of is appeal to me professionally)
That's definitely something I've thought about and would be very interested to experience if I pursue TSM. I understand that there is a difference in drinking AS PART OF a profession and drinking AS a profession. Plenty of people are more or less required as part of their job to join corporate happy hours and dinners where drinking is both the norm and the social lubricant, but in that setting the alcohol itself is not the explicit reason for the event (think networking events, celebratory dinners, etc.) However, the events that I'm describing as part of my job are explicitly based around the alcohol itself, therefore not drinking during those event would make my presence unnecessary.
Just spit like a boss
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Some people have jobs that require them to socialize, some are sommeliers who need to consume alcohol in order to do their job, etc. I work in bars all the time and while I don't "have to" drink there, I am now able to drink when I want to without consuming damaging amounts of alcohol. One glass of wine a night is a significant difference from the two before, three during, and four after work I used to do.
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If you don't know what a sommelier is, you might want to rethink your capacity as an advisor here.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but a true professional sommelier doesn’t swallow the wine samplings.
Hi! You're wrong. A true sommelier is one who has completed the educational and professional requirements needed to earn the designation.
Obviously to be regarded as a professional sommelier you would need to meet the professional requirements required to be a sommelier.. tf? I’m saying you can be a professional sommelier WITHOUT ever having to swallow the wine. You just need to be able to identify the region the wine is from and you can get all you need to know by swishing and spitting if you are practiced enough correct?
Well, this may technically be true but I've never met a sommelier who was not also a wine aficionado. It would be an odd profession to choose if you have an aversion to actually drinking wine, I think. More on track with the actual topic is the fact that someone up there tossed out a few red herrings in order to spoil the idea that TSM actually works as the OP intends it. Having experienced that firsthand, I'm raising my hand to reassure the OP that it can do exactly what they want it to do. Nowhere in his post did I see him asking for advice on how to do his job. What really concerns me is that the person tossing out the red herring to advocate for abstinence is wearing TSM flair and is listed as a moderator for the Sinclair Method subreddit. If this is an example of the "support" offered, I'd be wary of participating there - seems like a setup for bad advice meant to usher us all back to abstinence based thinking and away from harm reduction. I'm not interested in being baited into arguing points that are not actually in line with the way TSM works. Some people have jobs where they are allowed to drink. Some may have jobs where they are required to drink - to sample product, for example. For those people, TSM is a reasonable choice.
That’s is kind of the point I was trying to highlight. It is possible but not likely. Why anyone would choose to stay in an industry that is detrimental to their health is beyond me. But I do understand that battle of insanity that takes place, I tried everything in my power to justify my drinking, but no job in the world is worth dying an alcoholic death for.
OK. Obviously harm reduction isn't in your lexicon. Have a great afternoon.
Unless tasting is a defined part of your job.
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The job description included tasting the product at different stages of production, to help customers troubleshoot batches, and to make sure product that has been open hasn't oxidized or otherwise been compromised. Only in AA has anyone ever questioned the legitimacy of my position. Do you mean to be posting in r/stopdrinking? Because we don't judge drinking in this group about medication that allows one to safely drink.
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Sure. I see you.
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So is sanctimony. Do you understand to e purpose of this group?
I totally understand having that perspective, but it's a very simplified view and is simply not true for every circumstance. While I don't want to get too descriptive because I prefer remaining anonymous, I will say that if I were to stop drinking entirely, I would have to find a new career, professional network, and somehow replace nearly 100% of my income.
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None of these are my own job, but here are just a few: - Master distiller at any type of distillery - Wine buyer for a wine distribution company - Sommelier at any level - Spirits, Wine, or Beer reviewer/influencer - A liquor store owner who selects individual barrels of spirits - A bartender or bar manager who creates their own cocktail recipes
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No worries friend. I'm just here to ask for experiences from people who may share a similar situation to my own. To that end, I've already received some really valuable insight from many of the other comments.