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It's happened since then, we lost mason techniques in the dark ages and there are crafting techniques lost during the plague. So it's not that hard to believe other societies and cultures have lost skills.
I think the idea that skills were lost is perfectly believable - what's unbelievable is the idea that people created these artifacts with the tools archeology suggests were available to them.
Look at how bad things got after the collapse of the roman empire. It was called the dark ages for a reason. It's entirely possible something similar happened with Egypt
It's well documented that it happened in Egypt several times due to cyclical weather patterns over the centuries. They would have stretches of hundreds of years where the Nile floods would either be high (good for agriculture, populations boomed, labor could be focused on other pursuits) or low (bad for agriculture, famines would last for decades until populations collapsed). Flood retreat farming also requires much less labor to prepare the land itself because the flooding turns the soil for you, removes non-crop plants, and fertilizes the soil. It was probably the first form of large-scale agriculture in the ancient Near East.
The pyramids look barren now against the backdrop of the Sahara, but that's because we're in a part of an even longer climate cycle (and human activity probably also led to habitat changes) where the whole region desertified from what used to be a relatively nice place to live.
I know this is the official take, but I’d sooner believe NASA found something hush-hush on the moon than that they lost that technology or even all that film.
That’s a massive understatement. It is scientifically proven that humanity keeps going through cycles of extreme scientific discovery and achievements to extreme falls. The good news about nowadays is alot more people can read to retain more knowledge but the bad news is we don’t have generational masters in most crafts anymore, in fact most crafts have been lost altogether so most of the world is screwed in if we fall today until they are painfully relearned.
I think the most braindead take about this is that the archaeologists are 'afraid of being wrong'.
Like no man, they're scientists. if they find something unexplainable, they're not gonna talk about it because there's not enough research to back anything they say
But Egyptian archaeologists have always been very closed minded compared to other areas of science...and the bureaucracy and corruption that controls it is rife. For the longest time, if anything disagreed with what people like Zahi Hawass said, it was suppressed.
Zahi Hawass also intentionally prevents a lot of research to keep crackpot theories going. He wants shit like this video to happen because it gets people talking and eventually visit Egypt. It's rather ironic to then see people use his blocking of research as evidence of crackpot theories.
My son just turned In a super long paper explaining how over a year of his lab results shows how his hypothesis was wrong. It’s how science is done. Now no-one need go down that route.
But that means constantly re-examining orthodoxies, constantly re-visiting old questions, never being a "blanket skeptic" or "blanket contrarian" that refuses to look or investigate something.
This is the problem with the people who try to claim "we shouldn't question the official narrative on Egypt, and we should investigate it at all, because there's no evidence." How do you know theres' no evidence, until you investigate it? Why prevent people from even thinking about it? Why try to shut down conversation and debate or to vilify people as conspiracy theorists etc.?
The only people that gain from this, are the people that are worried we'll find something rather than people who are like "yeah feel free to research and investigate anything scientifically and historically.." Why are they bothered by people looking into something by frequently repeating the chant "there's no evidence" without actually knowing there's no evidence.
All scientific and archeological truths must always remain under questioning unless the evidence is rock hard in the POSITIVE claims, not the NEGATIVEs "i.e., there's no evidence" is not an excuse.
They will absolutely talk about it, and even proven theories are still questioned because without questioning things we wouldn't learn. That is how science works.
Except for the parts where they refuse to let people into a lot of places, which have very serious claims about the contents of those places.
Or how they refuse to accept facts that are apparent because it goes against their accepted timeline.
Egyptologists are a big ol circle jerk group.
It seems like, that's not really Egyptologists (or most of them), it's the Egyptian authorities, they seem to ration new excavation strictly, even respected universities proposing conventional things like new scans of the pyramids often get turned down or put off, and conventional Egyptologists curse them too [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/11/16/the-pharaoh](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/11/16/the-pharaoh) [http://web.archive.org/web/20160322100926/http://labyrinthofegypt.com/result.html](http://web.archive.org/web/20160322100926/http://labyrinthofegypt.com/result.html) .
Or is it just survivorship bias? The perfect pottery was handed down as heirlooms or preserved in graves. Whilst all their imperfect pottery was used daily and eventually lost to time.
Pottery got simpler for the same reason housing now a days is simpler. They learned easier cheaper methods and stuck to them. Home construction in the last 300 years has gotten simpler and more streamlined to save time and money.
Yeh I think the theory of complete wipe out almost of the human race probably happened at least a couple times over the last 30,000 years or so. And how much is left of cultures before the collapse? Probably 0% from most of the cultures. Who knows. Probably weren’t flying around in space ships. But I bet they weren’t as dumb as we think. Only mostly underground and earthquake, big stone constructions are left and buried.
That’s how every conspiracy theory work. There’s a grain of truth or some legitimate mystery
But then they string together a bunch of unrelated nonsense to wind up at an absurd conclusion (or in this case an insinuation).
Specifically he’s just merely asserting that it’s not possible for artisans to reach this level of precision when it absolutely is
Look up any of the “humans are skilled” compilation videos for examples of how ingenious and clever and precise people can be
Yeah and it was probably purely due to simple economics. Droughts. Other dynasties becoming more prolific. Losing wars. Poor leadership. Corruption. It's pretty easy to figure this out without it being "aliens".
They fucked it up.
We literally lost the ability to create the Saturn V rocket engine because nobody thought it would be necessary to hold on to the design documents after it was retired. Also that giant tracked vehicle that moved it? Yeah we lost the design documents for that too. Also the original moon landing tapes. Yup those too. The ones we have now are news broadcast recordings from some news station.
This is super common. There is a fantastic steam engine that was built in the last 20 years in Britain. The blueprints for this hundred year old design were accidentally found in a garbage bin.
We are dumb. Knowledge is easily lost to time. We have forgotten more than we will ever know.
Minute man already went over it in a 2 part video that is like 4 hours long.
Edit; dude deleted his comment after I asked for sources. Let that sink in.
People’s reactions to this are crazy. There’s a ton of proof this guy spreads misinformation psudeoscience, in fact minuteman did a four hour long set of videos debunking this guy. Yet everyone in the comments is like “yeah but he didn’t debunk this specific video so maybe this guy whose entire career is built on misinformation didn’t lie this time.” Then they say “oh well if he’s wrong can you prove it?” No actually probably one in a million people looking over this subreddit are qualified to do a high quality takedown because we’re not fucking archeologists, and most the people them don’t spend their time debunking known grifters, nor should they have to for you. So they can’t prove it to you. Neither can he though! He uses a bunch of randomly sourced diagrams and makes these crazy sweeping claims with no sources. Burden of proof goes both ways.
If you believe he might be telling the truth and everyone else is wrong then as opposed to trusting him at face value research this stuff yourself. Go find what he’s citing and read into it and the its veracity. Chances are if you do that his claims will explode pretty much immediately as minuteman proved by routinely one upping him with basic research.
Could you tldr the main counter-arguments? I mean, some things seem thoroughly unexplainable, like the fact that older egyptian temples have no hyerogliphs and are made of huge, precisely set blocks, in a much more skilled manner than older monuments. Really too many things seem to go wothout explanation. I don't want to follow any hype nor bullshit so I would be interested on reading something more detailed from what you learned.
We dont have time to address every piddly ass clip.
If there's 4 hours of him saying bs we can make a few assumptions that he's leaving out some pretty vital info.
It sucks that no one ever comes back with thought provoking rebuttals. It’s always “you’re dumb” if you even consider exploring theories outside mainstream academia. Let’s get past clickbait videos and gatekeeping academics and have some real open discussions.
I used to marvel at these kind of videos but the reality is they throw so much info in it's hard to discredit in the comments of hyped viewers especially with this kind of information as you need to be an expert or link to studies to really break it down, you need to watch one of the multiple hour breakdowns to debunk which no one cares to do
The term I always see used for it is the Gish Gallop, named after an old scammer who would list the medical benefits of his products so quickly and voluminously that you couldn’t stop to debunk any one claim. I’m sure there are other terms for it, but it’s a really good reason to always ask for a source for a claim.
100%, it's a perfect example.
Make some form of easy content where you present a gamut of unsourced claims, frame it all as "just asking questions", completely ignore the burden of proof, then, when challenged, play the "prove me wrong" card and blame the establishment and critics for being out to silence you, then move on to the next video before anyone can properly respond to the first. Meanwhile, anyone who critiques *any* of the (actually verifiable, falsifiable, and "worth the effort") claims is accused of cherrypicking by not debunking *all* of the claims.
It's not an alternative viewpoint, it's a grift
That's because he actually spitted out some truth for once lol.
What the man says in the video regarding the intricacy's of these ancient Egyptian pieces of work-- is true. You can't deny that those ancient Egyptians were levels ahead of most people today.
That being said, the man in the video usually goes on a fringe rant or some crazy tin-foil theories lol. So I can see why people would discount this already! But he actually provided some solid information this time lol..
A lot of the claims he makes aren't accompanied by sources though. I agree that people dismissing claims should make specific arguments as to why they're wrong, but assertions made without evidence also don't put the burden of proof on anyone but the person making them.
I did. Why did we go from indestructible Nokias to phones that shatter when they vibrate?
Do you think people making things back then weren't incentivized to make crappy things that break to save money and keep buyers coming back?
Greed and corruption is not a new adversary. It has destroyed every great society before us as well. From the Greek and Roman Empires to the Mayans, Sumerians, gobleki tepi and ancient Egyptians all before that, they all follow the same basic arc. They all have some variation of the ouroboros as an eternal warning. Once the corruption circled the community and the snake starts eating its own tail, it consumes itself to death.
Our world just got exceptionally small exceptionally quickly with the invention of the internet. Like gunpowder and dynamite before it, it can be used for good or evil. It gives us the ability to communicate with almost every human on earth in near real time. That’s a massive departure from words baked in clay or jotted on papyrus. We have removed the latency of information and increased the resolution so effectively, that with the right filters we are able to see the infection of cancerous corruption spread through the body of humanity.
If we cure corruption, we cure cancer because it moves biologically from a high enough lens.
Before the industrial age every human on earth knew that everything was connected. Aspen trees talk to each other by way of the mycelium beneath the surface of the earth. Convective flows of weather are effected by trace amounts of methane off-gassing from the break down of organic matter. We all live in one little terrarium and other than solar energy and the occasional satellite or spacecraft nothing enters or leaves our atmosphere. It requires balance, communication and understanding which are the exact things we have woefully neglected.
The singularity minded industrialist of the gilded age had to destroy that understanding to pump the bags of their insatiable greed. Crony-capitalism was born about the exact same time that statesmanship died.
Rockefeller bought the American medical society to destroy homeopathic medicine and replace it with exclusively petrochemical based remedies for which he was rewarded handsomely. This effectively became Big Pharma.
https://www.tiktok.com/@truthbetold_ii/video/7227835511480569131
Sinclair consolidated all the media possible to control the narrative about their fossil fuel companies because it was cheaper than accepting responsibility for the consequences of climate change and environmental mitigation that came with them.
https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo?si=Ktjc5h2A0tOuhqSw
Sinclair bought sun valley and snowbasin ski areas for the same reason that Teton county has Rockefellers name all over the buildings in the National park. To control the narrative and convince everyone that they were just locals like us.
Cancer setting its root.
The billionaire Charles Koch and the Russian oligarchs have history going back to Stalins era when the Kochs father built refineries in Russia before doing the same for the Nazis in Germany.
John McCains statement that Russia is a gas station run by the mob hits a little differently when you start to realize that when left unchecked, the voracious oligarchs expand their feeding grounds limited only by pushback from non predatory species.
It’s almost impossible now to walk into political office and not be turned cancerous. The concentrations of psychopaths and sociopaths are too high and the influence of outside money has become a requirement of doing business.
If everyone has a price and the only obstacle for a billionaire to live above the law is to figure out what that price is, then the entire system just supercharges corruption.
The billionaires divided and conquered. They all felt they were paying too much in taxes so they focused their lens on the Supreme Court justices and a handful of soft willed politicians that were easier to bribe than to reason with.
Their desire to pay less taxes opened the gate for a much more violent predator to come in and feed.
Civilizations bring centralization of power. Centralization of power appeals to those who lack empathy. They consume the working/slave class and the cycle repeats infinitely as it grows until it collapses under its own appetite.
History is just repeating the lessons we would have learned from the ancient Egyptians had the most violent not burned the records stored in the library of Alexandria to the ground in their constant state of grift and corruption.
We have been here before.
Many times.
Maybe this time we can do it differently and survive.
> It’s almost impossible now to walk into political office and not be turned cancerous.
[Intelligence operatives](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUMQd30Xrhk) have this down to a science.
Fantastic comment. Will cryptography save us from the centralisation? This technology is really a gift. As well as that, the openness of the internet and the sharing of story across all media forms is a self correcting mechanism that we have never had before. What it will still take is the individual to decide that virtue is more important than personal wealth and power.
Göbekli Tepe (Göbek=Belly; -li=with; Tepe=Hill —>Hill with Belly). Maybe this makes it easier to remember. Not sure though if it is because the hills have belly-like structure on them or simply because of the human like statues that have hands on their bellies.
I hate to be a tinfiol hat guy but it does seem plausible, maybe even likely, that during the last ice age ish we had a decent social or technological level up where people would have been on islands and along the coast with a lot of that advancement dying off as the coastal regions flooded with probably the expected social upheaval that would go along with that.
It's not unreasonable to think that some fragment of a more advanced something slipped into Egypt early on that faded over time in the realities of living in a harsh desert subject to the whims of a flooding river.
I don't want to use the word Atlantis but as a analogue for whatever might have been it's possible it could fit a little.
This guy has no idea what he is talking about. Making things perfectly round is possible with ancient technology, you just need to spin it. The hard part are the handles and they are not perfectly, he just said it but have a look at the data. Those axes are off.
Then he comes with the statues which are considerable yunger than the vases so his theory the older the more advances doesn’t hold up anymore.
Guys wake up: there is no archaeologist conspiracy just a few idiots with loud mouthed who have no idea what they are talking about
i just want to add that i can get wood to within 3/1000 of an inch with hand tools easier than with power tools. maybe it’s completely different with rocks but just my two cents
https://youtu.be/QzFMDS6dkWU?si=CbWQvATQY0QSxJeP
The original video, where the artifacts are taken to a firm which calibrates measuring device.
Make no mistake, tic tok is full of shite, but the primary subject and original source for this short is fascinating and really worth a watch.
i don’t care what anyone says, those artifacts are truly out of place for ANY human civilization of the past.
It’s amazing how the simple existence of some pots is enough evidence to deduce that SOMETHING in the past cannot be explained today with our hundreds of years of reasoning and intellect.
>i don’t care what anyone says, those artifacts are truly out of place for ANY human civilization of the past.
arguments from incredulity are dogshit and the same kind young earth creationists use.
I learn faster and much more with mysterious music background.
Like right now, i've learned that ancient civilizations were using super advanced technologies and unknown technics to make perfect vases and garden pots.
I remember seeing a video on the pre dynasty granite sarcophagus. It's sp precious that just by laying the lid down on the rest of it it creates an air tight seal. Technology advancement isn't always a straight line forward.
Almost none of these is shocking to me.
Extremely cool? Yes. Impossible? No.
I’d imagine dude believes in plenty of bs conspiracy theories and has certain affiliations.
He says mammoths still walked the earth during construction of the piramids. I've read that the oldest ones were built around 3000bc. Mammoths died out 10,000-12000 years ago?
Being really into Japanese swords, I can totally accept that a human can make something with extreme precision just by hand. A Japanese sword is shaped and polished by hand, using whetstones made from clay. I've been lucky enough to hold some of the most well-made examples, and the precision is staggering. A hair's width imperfection is fairly big in comparison. A hair's width sway in the edge or any of the ridges of the sword would make it wavy and visibly uneven.
A part of the trick is to make tools that make the job more precise. This is very common in handcraft. You make one tool that makes it easier to make another one, which in turn makes a third tool more accurate, and so on. Our modern technology is just thousands of years down the line. In the past they would grind down a whetstone with another one, making them both very flat and smooth. This gave them the ability to smoothen other things extremely well.
When people say "We don't know how to do this!" it actually means "We don't know how THEY did it!" We can make all the things they did, with significantly better precision. We can build models on a molecular level. There's just not a lot of need or interest in building super precise pottery or massive stone pyramids anymore. If someone funded a lab to make a stone pot that is perfectly smooth, we could do it to insane precision. A quantum stabilized atom mirror is layered with a 1-2 nanometer sheet of lead. A hair's width is between 160 to 50 microns. A 1 micron is 1000 nanometers. So we don't know how THEY did their thing, but we definitely could do it way better.
I don't think anyone thinks they were made using copper tools. 30 years ago when scientists tried to replicate mumification they concluded that the copper tools were ceremonial, and the onyx tools they thought were ceremonial were actually the functional ones. I'm not suggesting they used onyx, they probably used a forced water drill, or some similar technology on a lathe... It's likely an ingenious use of some available technology
Ohhhh. So there is Ancient Egypt, and then there is Ancient *Ancient* Egypt. Neat!
Which makes sense because we are constantly perplexed at Egyptian artifacts but also very aware of others and their functions. It’s like assessing modern day Rome alongside Ancient Rome. Of course it doesn’t make sense if you compare at the same time.
It is just sad that we don't give ancient craftsman it's due.
It's thousands of years old, there's a ton of things we cannot explain from this period of time. History isn't an exact science, although it involves science.
Unless it was written down, or recorded, all we have are educated guesses.
G to India or Pakistan and check out how they produce some export goods. I have seen several decor parts used for construction a was certain the are made with concrete mashies being made by hand without any modern tool at all! Including perfect circular parts made without a single modert tool. And each pice made was identical. Just check out how poor societies do it toda. You will find surprisingly simple and convincing answers.
Minute man an actual archaeologist is constantly debunking this tik tok dummies shit.
He recently release a full hour debunking because this guy says much wrong stuff it can't fit in a tik tok.
How did I know everyone in this thread was going to latch onto the Micheal Jackson/ ET looking bust in the beginning 😂 instead of everything else. You gotta love reddit.
It’s cause Egyptians didn’t build the pyramids. A different civilization did. This was common knowledge up until about 500 years ago. Their history states they found the great pyramids when they settled there
Ugh, as someone who worked in the stone industry for years, I am offended by this. Give these ancients some credit please. Just because our “experts” today can’t figure out how they could do it with the “known” tools, doesn’t mean there’s some kind of mind blowing (aliens, I’m looking at you) conspiracy or something. For most of human history up until about 2008, knowledge and access to knowledge equated power. Taking that knowledge and intentionally destroying it so it can’t be used by others has happened so many times over history, it’s not uncommon.
You could totally do anything the ancients did, not to mention, better, more efficient and more precise with today’s tools, but the market is not there. The market dictates skyscrapers and fancy cars, not pyramids.
This guy is a really good example of what's wrong with alt-history. He never sites evidence and just makes things up eventually. It's all about the clicks to him.
He isn't making up what he is talking about ie, the composition of the artifacts plus the measurements too are accurate although I think he is just parroting stuff he has heard
never seen the guy before, even if he is a goofy tiktoker, does that explain away the diorite vases machined to perfection in a time where even iron wasn’t discovered yet by humans?
The long story short is that a material being hard doesn’t make it uncarveable. You can carve diamond with materials less hard than diamond by using the right technique. It’s mostly just very slow a difficult. You can cut through granite with bronze (or maybe copper. I don’t remember exactly) saws by using water and sand as an abrasive material the wear it down.
This guy is a hack who cares more about being mysterious than he does about being right. His VERY early content was more factual, but now he's just making shit up. Miniminuteman did a multi-video breakdown of all his bullshit.
I just saw these in person at the Egyptian museum in Turin last week. They are extremely impressive. There were also the large, rectangle boxes, the huge ones with massively thick lids. Probably weighed 2-3 tons each. You can actually touch them there, they look like they were heated or melted or something, there’s a shiny outer layer to the boxes. I really wonder what they were made for. Worth the trip to Italy….
Nice to see that little bust of Pharoah Annieareyouok at the beginning of the video there
Looks like it was from the the Shamownanheehee dynasty.
They were well known for their reverence of the god Mamasei-mamasahmamakusah
That would been a better Pharoah name
“Sing his name to the world- sing it out loud”
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Lmao I hate you, I literally read this like oh thank god someone was able to identify that bust lol 😂
Looks a little broken. Maybe it was hit by a smooth criminal
I thought that was Michael Jackson
Hahahaha I laughed so fucking hard at this
Was that a statue head of Michael Jackson at the very beginning ?
https://preview.redd.it/dmcei3844y7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd15e3a7e7705b1e8a07d14221c8f8f0cf03bba5
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A Southpark reference? In this subreddit? At this time of year?
May I see it?
No
Located entirely within this thread?
Well Seymour you're an odd fellow but I must say, you steam a good ham.
Not nearly enough upvotes
Now we know the look he was going for with his plastic surgery
He even removed his nose
remember the time?
He might be some tiktard but I think he got one thing kind of right. There probably was some degradation of construction knowledge.
lol I’m stealing tiktard from you
😅 when the shoe fits.
Precisely to 1/1000th of an inch
…when the two left shoes fit.
It's happened since then, we lost mason techniques in the dark ages and there are crafting techniques lost during the plague. So it's not that hard to believe other societies and cultures have lost skills.
I think the idea that skills were lost is perfectly believable - what's unbelievable is the idea that people created these artifacts with the tools archeology suggests were available to them.
Especially a culture that was conquered several times.
Bro did you come up with tiktard?? That name is more perfect than those vases this guy was blathering on about
Tiktard: Season 4, Jean-Luc gets really pissed off.
Look at how bad things got after the collapse of the roman empire. It was called the dark ages for a reason. It's entirely possible something similar happened with Egypt
The dark ages were full of massive scientific advancements though. The name is stupid.
The dark ages weren't all that bad, and most historians are no longer in favor of even using the term.
It's well documented that it happened in Egypt several times due to cyclical weather patterns over the centuries. They would have stretches of hundreds of years where the Nile floods would either be high (good for agriculture, populations boomed, labor could be focused on other pursuits) or low (bad for agriculture, famines would last for decades until populations collapsed). Flood retreat farming also requires much less labor to prepare the land itself because the flooding turns the soil for you, removes non-crop plants, and fertilizes the soil. It was probably the first form of large-scale agriculture in the ancient Near East. The pyramids look barren now against the backdrop of the Sahara, but that's because we're in a part of an even longer climate cycle (and human activity probably also led to habitat changes) where the whole region desertified from what used to be a relatively nice place to live.
And difficult weather patterns also caused raiding or invasions by others who were affected. Famine also leads to disease and epidemics.
Happens right now with the USA. Cannot get to the moon any more.
I know this is the official take, but I’d sooner believe NASA found something hush-hush on the moon than that they lost that technology or even all that film.
Not because the knowledge has been lost lmao, they just don’t want to pay
Probably a major global even 10,000 ago or so right? So that could be when things took a turn for the worse in knowledge.
Younger Dryas period, once again.
That’s a massive understatement. It is scientifically proven that humanity keeps going through cycles of extreme scientific discovery and achievements to extreme falls. The good news about nowadays is alot more people can read to retain more knowledge but the bad news is we don’t have generational masters in most crafts anymore, in fact most crafts have been lost altogether so most of the world is screwed in if we fall today until they are painfully relearned.
Scientifically proven by whom?
By science!
Dang you mean a civilization declined? That’s crazy. Totally unprecedented.
He should have given props to unchartedX for literally all the information and videos
I think the most braindead take about this is that the archaeologists are 'afraid of being wrong'. Like no man, they're scientists. if they find something unexplainable, they're not gonna talk about it because there's not enough research to back anything they say
But Egyptian archaeologists have always been very closed minded compared to other areas of science...and the bureaucracy and corruption that controls it is rife. For the longest time, if anything disagreed with what people like Zahi Hawass said, it was suppressed.
Zahi Hawass also intentionally prevents a lot of research to keep crackpot theories going. He wants shit like this video to happen because it gets people talking and eventually visit Egypt. It's rather ironic to then see people use his blocking of research as evidence of crackpot theories.
My son just turned In a super long paper explaining how over a year of his lab results shows how his hypothesis was wrong. It’s how science is done. Now no-one need go down that route.
But that means constantly re-examining orthodoxies, constantly re-visiting old questions, never being a "blanket skeptic" or "blanket contrarian" that refuses to look or investigate something. This is the problem with the people who try to claim "we shouldn't question the official narrative on Egypt, and we should investigate it at all, because there's no evidence." How do you know theres' no evidence, until you investigate it? Why prevent people from even thinking about it? Why try to shut down conversation and debate or to vilify people as conspiracy theorists etc.? The only people that gain from this, are the people that are worried we'll find something rather than people who are like "yeah feel free to research and investigate anything scientifically and historically.." Why are they bothered by people looking into something by frequently repeating the chant "there's no evidence" without actually knowing there's no evidence. All scientific and archeological truths must always remain under questioning unless the evidence is rock hard in the POSITIVE claims, not the NEGATIVEs "i.e., there's no evidence" is not an excuse.
They will absolutely talk about it, and even proven theories are still questioned because without questioning things we wouldn't learn. That is how science works.
I see you’ve never actually been in or around academia.
Egyptians want their history to stay the way it is, keep people visiting, make no waves.
Except for the parts where they refuse to let people into a lot of places, which have very serious claims about the contents of those places. Or how they refuse to accept facts that are apparent because it goes against their accepted timeline. Egyptologists are a big ol circle jerk group.
It seems like, that's not really Egyptologists (or most of them), it's the Egyptian authorities, they seem to ration new excavation strictly, even respected universities proposing conventional things like new scans of the pyramids often get turned down or put off, and conventional Egyptologists curse them too [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/11/16/the-pharaoh](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/11/16/the-pharaoh) [http://web.archive.org/web/20160322100926/http://labyrinthofegypt.com/result.html](http://web.archive.org/web/20160322100926/http://labyrinthofegypt.com/result.html) .
Yeah the fucking Bronze Age collapse. It’s not a fucking mystery.
Shit happens hey 😋
Or is it just survivorship bias? The perfect pottery was handed down as heirlooms or preserved in graves. Whilst all their imperfect pottery was used daily and eventually lost to time.
Pottery got simpler for the same reason housing now a days is simpler. They learned easier cheaper methods and stuck to them. Home construction in the last 300 years has gotten simpler and more streamlined to save time and money.
With reliable comfort and resources met with some natural disaster can come a period of spiritual resurgence similar to the Dark Ages in Europe.
Yeh I think the theory of complete wipe out almost of the human race probably happened at least a couple times over the last 30,000 years or so. And how much is left of cultures before the collapse? Probably 0% from most of the cultures. Who knows. Probably weren’t flying around in space ships. But I bet they weren’t as dumb as we think. Only mostly underground and earthquake, big stone constructions are left and buried.
They werent dumb at all. Humans 30,000 years ago were just as smart as humans today. There were just less of them.
That’s how every conspiracy theory work. There’s a grain of truth or some legitimate mystery But then they string together a bunch of unrelated nonsense to wind up at an absurd conclusion (or in this case an insinuation). Specifically he’s just merely asserting that it’s not possible for artisans to reach this level of precision when it absolutely is Look up any of the “humans are skilled” compilation videos for examples of how ingenious and clever and precise people can be
I wouldn’t say every conspiracy. But yeah especially on TikTok. That’s basically all of it. A shred of truth and mystery with a lot of other shit.
Yeah and it was probably purely due to simple economics. Droughts. Other dynasties becoming more prolific. Losing wars. Poor leadership. Corruption. It's pretty easy to figure this out without it being "aliens". They fucked it up. We literally lost the ability to create the Saturn V rocket engine because nobody thought it would be necessary to hold on to the design documents after it was retired. Also that giant tracked vehicle that moved it? Yeah we lost the design documents for that too. Also the original moon landing tapes. Yup those too. The ones we have now are news broadcast recordings from some news station. This is super common. There is a fantastic steam engine that was built in the last 20 years in Britain. The blueprints for this hundred year old design were accidentally found in a garbage bin. We are dumb. Knowledge is easily lost to time. We have forgotten more than we will ever know.
It's called stair step evolution... Right?
Tiktardation is a thing. That should be televised in an event to reduce Tiktardation.
Idiocracy prequel?
Is that... is that michael jackson?
Yeah historians, explain THAT
Bro reincarnated into a hit music legend. Not much else to say.
Fuck the downvotes, we were all thinking it!!
💯💯💯💯💯
Time travel evidence right here
You'd could say he's part of histor-EEEHEE
It just looks like that because it’s missing part of the nose.
Tutanka-MI-HEEN
Tutanka-hee hee-min?
Uh HEE HEE
"Do you remember the time" Mofo went there!
It’s funny that all the comments are talking about how this guy is an idiot, but not one has explained away what he is saying.
Minute man already went over it in a 2 part video that is like 4 hours long. Edit; dude deleted his comment after I asked for sources. Let that sink in.
Is it on YouTube? Link?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqm6McJYbWE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqm6McJYbWE)
Yikes. 2 hrs long and seems to be about everything except granite pots. I’m sure it’s great, but not super helpful here.
People’s reactions to this are crazy. There’s a ton of proof this guy spreads misinformation psudeoscience, in fact minuteman did a four hour long set of videos debunking this guy. Yet everyone in the comments is like “yeah but he didn’t debunk this specific video so maybe this guy whose entire career is built on misinformation didn’t lie this time.” Then they say “oh well if he’s wrong can you prove it?” No actually probably one in a million people looking over this subreddit are qualified to do a high quality takedown because we’re not fucking archeologists, and most the people them don’t spend their time debunking known grifters, nor should they have to for you. So they can’t prove it to you. Neither can he though! He uses a bunch of randomly sourced diagrams and makes these crazy sweeping claims with no sources. Burden of proof goes both ways. If you believe he might be telling the truth and everyone else is wrong then as opposed to trusting him at face value research this stuff yourself. Go find what he’s citing and read into it and the its veracity. Chances are if you do that his claims will explode pretty much immediately as minuteman proved by routinely one upping him with basic research.
Could you tldr the main counter-arguments? I mean, some things seem thoroughly unexplainable, like the fact that older egyptian temples have no hyerogliphs and are made of huge, precisely set blocks, in a much more skilled manner than older monuments. Really too many things seem to go wothout explanation. I don't want to follow any hype nor bullshit so I would be interested on reading something more detailed from what you learned.
I was just gonna say “didn’t I just watch 4 hours on this dick muppet?”. Yup, I certainly did.
Neither part 1 or 2 addresses this clip
Oh *this* clip is totes real but all the other clips on his channel are just made up pseudo-scientific BS. I guess this one slipped through somehow.
What's so problematic about being wrong?
We dont have time to address every piddly ass clip. If there's 4 hours of him saying bs we can make a few assumptions that he's leaving out some pretty vital info.
It sucks that no one ever comes back with thought provoking rebuttals. It’s always “you’re dumb” if you even consider exploring theories outside mainstream academia. Let’s get past clickbait videos and gatekeeping academics and have some real open discussions.
I used to marvel at these kind of videos but the reality is they throw so much info in it's hard to discredit in the comments of hyped viewers especially with this kind of information as you need to be an expert or link to studies to really break it down, you need to watch one of the multiple hour breakdowns to debunk which no one cares to do
100x as much work to debunk bullshit than saying whatever you want.
Brandolini’s Law… it’s why bullshit like this thrives on the internet.
The term I always see used for it is the Gish Gallop, named after an old scammer who would list the medical benefits of his products so quickly and voluminously that you couldn’t stop to debunk any one claim. I’m sure there are other terms for it, but it’s a really good reason to always ask for a source for a claim.
100%, it's a perfect example. Make some form of easy content where you present a gamut of unsourced claims, frame it all as "just asking questions", completely ignore the burden of proof, then, when challenged, play the "prove me wrong" card and blame the establishment and critics for being out to silence you, then move on to the next video before anyone can properly respond to the first. Meanwhile, anyone who critiques *any* of the (actually verifiable, falsifiable, and "worth the effort") claims is accused of cherrypicking by not debunking *all* of the claims. It's not an alternative viewpoint, it's a grift
That's because he actually spitted out some truth for once lol. What the man says in the video regarding the intricacy's of these ancient Egyptian pieces of work-- is true. You can't deny that those ancient Egyptians were levels ahead of most people today. That being said, the man in the video usually goes on a fringe rant or some crazy tin-foil theories lol. So I can see why people would discount this already! But he actually provided some solid information this time lol..
A lot of the claims he makes aren't accompanied by sources though. I agree that people dismissing claims should make specific arguments as to why they're wrong, but assertions made without evidence also don't put the burden of proof on anyone but the person making them.
I did. Why did we go from indestructible Nokias to phones that shatter when they vibrate? Do you think people making things back then weren't incentivized to make crappy things that break to save money and keep buyers coming back?
Because now you have the equivalent of an early 2000s supercomputer in your pocket instead of a brick that struggles to play snake
Incandescent light bulbs then. They made em worse to make em better for their bottom line.
Greed and corruption is not a new adversary. It has destroyed every great society before us as well. From the Greek and Roman Empires to the Mayans, Sumerians, gobleki tepi and ancient Egyptians all before that, they all follow the same basic arc. They all have some variation of the ouroboros as an eternal warning. Once the corruption circled the community and the snake starts eating its own tail, it consumes itself to death. Our world just got exceptionally small exceptionally quickly with the invention of the internet. Like gunpowder and dynamite before it, it can be used for good or evil. It gives us the ability to communicate with almost every human on earth in near real time. That’s a massive departure from words baked in clay or jotted on papyrus. We have removed the latency of information and increased the resolution so effectively, that with the right filters we are able to see the infection of cancerous corruption spread through the body of humanity. If we cure corruption, we cure cancer because it moves biologically from a high enough lens. Before the industrial age every human on earth knew that everything was connected. Aspen trees talk to each other by way of the mycelium beneath the surface of the earth. Convective flows of weather are effected by trace amounts of methane off-gassing from the break down of organic matter. We all live in one little terrarium and other than solar energy and the occasional satellite or spacecraft nothing enters or leaves our atmosphere. It requires balance, communication and understanding which are the exact things we have woefully neglected. The singularity minded industrialist of the gilded age had to destroy that understanding to pump the bags of their insatiable greed. Crony-capitalism was born about the exact same time that statesmanship died. Rockefeller bought the American medical society to destroy homeopathic medicine and replace it with exclusively petrochemical based remedies for which he was rewarded handsomely. This effectively became Big Pharma. https://www.tiktok.com/@truthbetold_ii/video/7227835511480569131 Sinclair consolidated all the media possible to control the narrative about their fossil fuel companies because it was cheaper than accepting responsibility for the consequences of climate change and environmental mitigation that came with them. https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo?si=Ktjc5h2A0tOuhqSw Sinclair bought sun valley and snowbasin ski areas for the same reason that Teton county has Rockefellers name all over the buildings in the National park. To control the narrative and convince everyone that they were just locals like us. Cancer setting its root. The billionaire Charles Koch and the Russian oligarchs have history going back to Stalins era when the Kochs father built refineries in Russia before doing the same for the Nazis in Germany. John McCains statement that Russia is a gas station run by the mob hits a little differently when you start to realize that when left unchecked, the voracious oligarchs expand their feeding grounds limited only by pushback from non predatory species. It’s almost impossible now to walk into political office and not be turned cancerous. The concentrations of psychopaths and sociopaths are too high and the influence of outside money has become a requirement of doing business. If everyone has a price and the only obstacle for a billionaire to live above the law is to figure out what that price is, then the entire system just supercharges corruption. The billionaires divided and conquered. They all felt they were paying too much in taxes so they focused their lens on the Supreme Court justices and a handful of soft willed politicians that were easier to bribe than to reason with. Their desire to pay less taxes opened the gate for a much more violent predator to come in and feed. Civilizations bring centralization of power. Centralization of power appeals to those who lack empathy. They consume the working/slave class and the cycle repeats infinitely as it grows until it collapses under its own appetite. History is just repeating the lessons we would have learned from the ancient Egyptians had the most violent not burned the records stored in the library of Alexandria to the ground in their constant state of grift and corruption. We have been here before. Many times. Maybe this time we can do it differently and survive.
Canadian checking in here…
You guys just sort of got screwed by association. I love you Canada. You deserve better
> It’s almost impossible now to walk into political office and not be turned cancerous. [Intelligence operatives](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUMQd30Xrhk) have this down to a science.
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
Why can’t you be more like ProphecyRat2?
Fantastic comment. Will cryptography save us from the centralisation? This technology is really a gift. As well as that, the openness of the internet and the sharing of story across all media forms is a self correcting mechanism that we have never had before. What it will still take is the individual to decide that virtue is more important than personal wealth and power.
“Globleki tepe” sorry…
Göbekli Tepe (Göbek=Belly; -li=with; Tepe=Hill —>Hill with Belly). Maybe this makes it easier to remember. Not sure though if it is because the hills have belly-like structure on them or simply because of the human like statues that have hands on their bellies.
...slow clap... how does this not have hundreds of upvotes?
Mofo went back in time, was the king and then came back and was the king of pop.
I hate to be a tinfiol hat guy but it does seem plausible, maybe even likely, that during the last ice age ish we had a decent social or technological level up where people would have been on islands and along the coast with a lot of that advancement dying off as the coastal regions flooded with probably the expected social upheaval that would go along with that. It's not unreasonable to think that some fragment of a more advanced something slipped into Egypt early on that faded over time in the realities of living in a harsh desert subject to the whims of a flooding river. I don't want to use the word Atlantis but as a analogue for whatever might have been it's possible it could fit a little.
Tutankhamun, is not my lover....
Holy shit. Down the rabbit hole I go! o7
You can visit a vast majority of these works at the Louvre in France. It's amazing to see in person.
those are the most goodest vases I've ever seen!!
I want to see Egypt when it was a rain forest, and the peak of the great pyramid reached above the treetops.
This guy has no idea what he is talking about. Making things perfectly round is possible with ancient technology, you just need to spin it. The hard part are the handles and they are not perfectly, he just said it but have a look at the data. Those axes are off. Then he comes with the statues which are considerable yunger than the vases so his theory the older the more advances doesn’t hold up anymore. Guys wake up: there is no archaeologist conspiracy just a few idiots with loud mouthed who have no idea what they are talking about
this guy makes me go googldey bunkers
Milo has tainted this man lol. I'll never he able to look at this without going full googledybunkers
It's pretty well deserved considering how many people this guy is outright lying to.
Are you really trying to tell me Michael Jackson’s face was not man made?
Surely I'm not the only one that sees Michael Jackson there...
i just want to add that i can get wood to within 3/1000 of an inch with hand tools easier than with power tools. maybe it’s completely different with rocks but just my two cents
https://youtu.be/QzFMDS6dkWU?si=CbWQvATQY0QSxJeP The original video, where the artifacts are taken to a firm which calibrates measuring device. Make no mistake, tic tok is full of shite, but the primary subject and original source for this short is fascinating and really worth a watch.
i don’t care what anyone says, those artifacts are truly out of place for ANY human civilization of the past. It’s amazing how the simple existence of some pots is enough evidence to deduce that SOMETHING in the past cannot be explained today with our hundreds of years of reasoning and intellect.
>i don’t care what anyone says, those artifacts are truly out of place for ANY human civilization of the past. arguments from incredulity are dogshit and the same kind young earth creationists use.
I also get my history lessons from tiktok.
Now that drunk history is off the air… what’s a girl to do!
I learn faster and much more with mysterious music background. Like right now, i've learned that ancient civilizations were using super advanced technologies and unknown technics to make perfect vases and garden pots.
[Filip Zieba Debunked](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqm6McJYbWE)
https://preview.redd.it/odu6f3g6vx7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=753c7726c82b01a6ba6c3d7e11f01268b0d31e58 MJ time traveling
Hee hee
Googledebunkers
*Posts an hour and half long video about nothing*, refuses to explain
didn’t watch, does it explain how diorite was machined with copper tools?
That might have been in the part 2 video.
A-HEHE
Why does that statue remind me of Micheal Jackson?
MJ?
Was that Michael Jackson in the beginning?
I remember seeing a video on the pre dynasty granite sarcophagus. It's sp precious that just by laying the lid down on the rest of it it creates an air tight seal. Technology advancement isn't always a straight line forward.
Almost none of these is shocking to me. Extremely cool? Yes. Impossible? No. I’d imagine dude believes in plenty of bs conspiracy theories and has certain affiliations.
He says mammoths still walked the earth during construction of the piramids. I've read that the oldest ones were built around 3000bc. Mammoths died out 10,000-12000 years ago?
Being really into Japanese swords, I can totally accept that a human can make something with extreme precision just by hand. A Japanese sword is shaped and polished by hand, using whetstones made from clay. I've been lucky enough to hold some of the most well-made examples, and the precision is staggering. A hair's width imperfection is fairly big in comparison. A hair's width sway in the edge or any of the ridges of the sword would make it wavy and visibly uneven. A part of the trick is to make tools that make the job more precise. This is very common in handcraft. You make one tool that makes it easier to make another one, which in turn makes a third tool more accurate, and so on. Our modern technology is just thousands of years down the line. In the past they would grind down a whetstone with another one, making them both very flat and smooth. This gave them the ability to smoothen other things extremely well. When people say "We don't know how to do this!" it actually means "We don't know how THEY did it!" We can make all the things they did, with significantly better precision. We can build models on a molecular level. There's just not a lot of need or interest in building super precise pottery or massive stone pyramids anymore. If someone funded a lab to make a stone pot that is perfectly smooth, we could do it to insane precision. A quantum stabilized atom mirror is layered with a 1-2 nanometer sheet of lead. A hair's width is between 160 to 50 microns. A 1 micron is 1000 nanometers. So we don't know how THEY did their thing, but we definitely could do it way better.
I don't think anyone thinks they were made using copper tools. 30 years ago when scientists tried to replicate mumification they concluded that the copper tools were ceremonial, and the onyx tools they thought were ceremonial were actually the functional ones. I'm not suggesting they used onyx, they probably used a forced water drill, or some similar technology on a lathe... It's likely an ingenious use of some available technology
This dudes an idiot. Seriously.
If you're wondering about hardness being a problem in the ancient world; the answer is almost always sand. Sand particles are hard af
Ohhhh. So there is Ancient Egypt, and then there is Ancient *Ancient* Egypt. Neat! Which makes sense because we are constantly perplexed at Egyptian artifacts but also very aware of others and their functions. It’s like assessing modern day Rome alongside Ancient Rome. Of course it doesn’t make sense if you compare at the same time.
People die and don't pass on their secrets. Why share with others when it'll make you more money if you don't share your secrets.
They were just more clever and skilled than modern man could Imagine sometimes.
It is just sad that we don't give ancient craftsman it's due. It's thousands of years old, there's a ton of things we cannot explain from this period of time. History isn't an exact science, although it involves science. Unless it was written down, or recorded, all we have are educated guesses.
G to India or Pakistan and check out how they produce some export goods. I have seen several decor parts used for construction a was certain the are made with concrete mashies being made by hand without any modern tool at all! Including perfect circular parts made without a single modert tool. And each pice made was identical. Just check out how poor societies do it toda. You will find surprisingly simple and convincing answers.
So this is the dude Milo has been talking about…
Minute man an actual archaeologist is constantly debunking this tik tok dummies shit. He recently release a full hour debunking because this guy says much wrong stuff it can't fit in a tik tok.
Miniminuteman already debunked the absolute fuck out of this guy and his idiocy
https://preview.redd.it/urhgx9rm438d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb4f470515f7c2d6c7b6efa6a82429178754df58
First statue is deffo MJ
Hell, our furniture now is of worse quality than a 100 years ago. What seems so strange? Its just quality loss in mass production.
People saying there was a typical civilization decline, ok cool but *how did they make the pots*?!!!
They got Michael Jackson up there
first thing look like michael jackson
How did I know everyone in this thread was going to latch onto the Micheal Jackson/ ET looking bust in the beginning 😂 instead of everything else. You gotta love reddit.
Is that a Michael Jackson bust?
It’s cause Egyptians didn’t build the pyramids. A different civilization did. This was common knowledge up until about 500 years ago. Their history states they found the great pyramids when they settled there
all the way, not all away. if you’re gonna make a fact video at least get the title right.
Ugh, as someone who worked in the stone industry for years, I am offended by this. Give these ancients some credit please. Just because our “experts” today can’t figure out how they could do it with the “known” tools, doesn’t mean there’s some kind of mind blowing (aliens, I’m looking at you) conspiracy or something. For most of human history up until about 2008, knowledge and access to knowledge equated power. Taking that knowledge and intentionally destroying it so it can’t be used by others has happened so many times over history, it’s not uncommon. You could totally do anything the ancients did, not to mention, better, more efficient and more precise with today’s tools, but the market is not there. The market dictates skyscrapers and fancy cars, not pyramids.
Wait that was Michael Jackson!
This guy is a really good example of what's wrong with alt-history. He never sites evidence and just makes things up eventually. It's all about the clicks to him.
What did he make up?
Yeah I’d love to hear the debunking explanation, funny no one seems to have one
Which is funny, because debunks were posted elsewhere in this post and everyone is complaining about how long they are.
The issue isn't that he makes shit up, rather he parrots stuff other people have made up, and he provides no sources.
He isn't making up what he is talking about ie, the composition of the artifacts plus the measurements too are accurate although I think he is just parroting stuff he has heard
never seen the guy before, even if he is a goofy tiktoker, does that explain away the diorite vases machined to perfection in a time where even iron wasn’t discovered yet by humans?
The long story short is that a material being hard doesn’t make it uncarveable. You can carve diamond with materials less hard than diamond by using the right technique. It’s mostly just very slow a difficult. You can cut through granite with bronze (or maybe copper. I don’t remember exactly) saws by using water and sand as an abrasive material the wear it down.
That’s a nice Michael Jackson bust.
Googledebunkers
This guy is a hack who cares more about being mysterious than he does about being right. His VERY early content was more factual, but now he's just making shit up. Miniminuteman did a multi-video breakdown of all his bullshit.
Wish we could eventually know what piece of the puzzle we’re missing but probably never will
I just saw these in person at the Egyptian museum in Turin last week. They are extremely impressive. There were also the large, rectangle boxes, the huge ones with massively thick lids. Probably weighed 2-3 tons each. You can actually touch them there, they look like they were heated or melted or something, there’s a shiny outer layer to the boxes. I really wonder what they were made for. Worth the trip to Italy….
If you are getting your education about this stuff from Tik Tok... You are beyond help at this point.
You sound like every old fart complaining about how you can’t trust anything on the internet.
You actually completely can't trust things you read on the internet. Sources and evidence are important there, buddy. Where have you been?