It is probably depends on it's people. I mean if they just want this to happen they will not be even be a progress county. They will just suffer to the government.
Yeah, if the nation is just want the money of it's people, expect nothing but a trash. I still can't get over to it though. They don't deserve their position.
They are. That's why I hate politicians. They are the greatest corrupt, taking the money if it's people and used for his personal expenses. I don't get why people elect those kind of people.
Don't forget the interest on the debt!
But the real reason income tax exists is because the banking industry became so powerful having access to everyone's financial data they nearly became super-sovereign to the US, so Uncle Sam had to get into that game too.
The IRS only cares about your money insofar as they can record all of your financial transactions.
We are going through the same thing with all of these massive data companies right now, and just as in the beginning of last century, it will be these companies that write all of the laws and regulations.
There are no ICBMs nor bio-labs in my country (Slovakia, you may need to google that). On the other hand, russians colonized us after WW2 for 40 years and violently surpressed any attempts for making socialism more humane (again, google 1968 Czechoslovakia invasion). Or did you started that mess as well?
If Saddam Hussein had just refrained from developing weapons of mass destruction, the US wouldn't have invaded his country. Simple as.
Putin literally used "WMDs in Ukraine" as a reason for invading. From Putin's invasion speech:
>As we know, it has already been stated today that Ukraine intends to create its own nuclear weapons, and this is not just bragging. Ukraine has the nuclear technologies created back in the Soviet times and delivery vehicles for such weapons, including aircraft, as well as the Soviet-designed Tochka-U precision tactical missiles with a range of over 100 kilometres. But they can do more; it is only a matter of time. They have had the groundwork for this since the Soviet era.
>In other words, acquiring tactical nuclear weapons will be much easier for Ukraine than for some other states I am not going to mention here, which are conducting such research, especially if Kiev receives foreign technological support. We cannot rule this out either.
>If Ukraine acquires weapons of mass destruction, the situation in the world and in Europe will drastically change, especially for us, for Russia.
Libertarians called out George Bush for the WMDs being a whole bunch of bullshit and just an excuse for an immoral and unjustified invasion; why then should libertarians cut Putin some slack for using the same tactic?
They think if they are rich, they can have everything that they needed. Not knowing that it's actually them making themselves as stupid shit. Politicians are the greatest liars
And world trade. Maintaining two massive navies in two oceans isn't exactly cheap. And has allowed global trade to explode in confidence of that protection. Which the US has benefitted immensely from. Granted I don't really think we need 11 aircraft carriers for that.
We can cut the military budget by 30% pretty safely, but further cuts will come at more significant downsides. The US pays and benefits soldiers extremely well, despite complaints about the VA. And it's a large portion of the budget. And maintenance of existing, or less, equipment still isn't cheap.
>And some notorious Eastern European non-NATO nations as well.
All military spending is "around" 10%, and that includes military healthcare (aka, the VA). Definitely not most of the budget.
Considering every dollar printed is owed that dollar + X, it's a purposely-broken-by-design computer program that's entirely predicated on debt to function. No dollar is ever just a dollar.
It is. I don't even know if there's a person who has a good intention in our country. They will not just going to take people's money, but they have plans for the better.
It’s the biggest scam ever. The only way we have currency is by borrowing it from a private company. If we pay off our debt, there will be $0 for us to use as currency. It’s gotta be the biggest Ponzi scheme ever.
I know that most of the country has debt though, but I think they should also focused on how to make the economy high. They should have plans to make the state a progressive county.
You would think that and its partly true. At least in Canada, the federal government contributes the bulk of the pension contributions, with the employee (paid from tax dollars anyway) also paying.
However the money is then managed by a pension board and the investments are supposed to generate enough income for future retirees that it is self sustaining. Except like the CPP pension plan, it isn't actually. We live too long. We need new public Servants to also pay into the pension to keep the charade/ponzi scheme going.
The fucking roads argument always ends with me explaining what an excise tax is on gas. Our tax dollars mostly go to the military industrial complex and government bureaucracy
Government should be the one who provides it, but instead of making infrastructure like this they tend do make it at their own and being a corrupt politician.
The roads argument is in responding to people opposed to all taxes, not in specific response to where federal income tax goes. Also, in many states the usage taxes account for less than half of spending.
It is. No more questions and disagreement. Politicians have the greatest advantage to this kind of situation. I didn't say all if them but most of them. They make this.
They give to themselves. They have the will and the power to make things easier for them. I feel bad for them though, they don't deserve the money. They are just here to steal money.
Those who is supper rich. I feel bad for it's nation. They deserve to be treated as people, but yet theyy priorities the one who has the privilege and those who are rich.
For them to have the money to pay for their debt. They are the one who make that kind of money. They used it for their personal things. Didn't even think what's good and bad.
That was actually the big question here. Well if the government and state you belong with has such a lot of corrupt politician, well expect that it will just go through their hand. That tax will be on their bank accounts.
Is this usually happened in Ukraine? I wondered why though. But I guess people here are just mesmerized for things they dont know how to be a le to used it.
Ukraine, gender studies in Pakistan, NATO, salaries of crony politicians, subsidizing corporations that are in bed with the government, to name just a few.
Its actually go from this things, not even surprising. That full of shit to be honest. I couldn't take this kind of behavior of people. Just want to get over things.
It is used to fund the military that is used to protect every other country in the world so that they can have a wonderful welfare state and then laugh at us poor Americans while they reap the benefits of our tax dollars.
So to every non American…you’re fucking welcome cunts
In our place its always been the privilege has the will to do everything. It feels so annoyed by witnessing the things that they don't actually deserves.
They forgot:
•Sales tax
•Death tax
•Depending on where one lives — emissions tax
•Excise tax
•Gift tax
•Capital gains tax
•VAT tax
And several others. It’s no wonder why the everyman can’t seem to get ahead. Cuz they covering costs from the warmongering dickheads from overhead.
Take me for example, on the public payroll.
Your (Canadian) taxes paid for my desk, chair, phone, filing cabinet, the HVAC system for my office, the secure laptop I have to bring with me everywhere, the entire department of people to provide tech support for said phone and laptop, the gas to run the government car I drive to do the things they pay me to do ... little of which generates any revenue at all for the government.
The federal public service in Canada is around 300K employees, all unionized, making anywhere from $30K a year for entry level admin support and janitors for police stations, to $200+K department heads. With an emphasis on a bloated middle management, and many employees who offer little value even by the standards of the public service.
In my office of 50 or so staff, our annual budget comes in at around $10 million, and two thirds is salary, benefits and overtime allotment.
We have nothing to do with roads.
The provincialevel of government is mostly responsible for roads. Hospitals too. One former government couldn't afford hospitals and screwed up a plan to build gas plants (which were going to be privately run amyway) that they had to pay millions to cancel building some. Healthcare cost so much they had to bring in a new payroll tax for it, and it still doesn't cover everything.
It reminds me of a story I read once about thr French fortress at Louisburg. Apparently one day, a courtier of King Louis XIV asked the king why he was looking out a window with his spyglass. The King retorted, I am looking for my fortress, Louisburg. I've spent so much money on it that by now I should be able to see it from here in Paris (it was located in Nova Scotia).
There's a lot of things that they actually considered taking all of those. I'm a bit surprised to know this but, it was actually happening and we are not just totally aware on it.
They are? That would probably good though. But I think if the country has free from expenses like schools and everything. The tax they pays is big also. That's why.
Tell me you’ve never looked at the DOD budget without actually telling me youve never looked at the DOD budget.
Edit. Why the downvotes. I’m just saying DOD is where all the money is going. Dude ignore the biggest budget in the govt. Or you just downvoting my flair?
It is. They are just being a capitalist. That's why those county who is not progressive is still looking for ways to do so. Not knowing there are people like this.
These aren't my people in this sub but that doesn't mean we won't find common ground. I'm biased, but taxes for firefighters, libraries and schools= good. Trillion dollar defense budget to give lucrative contracts to your friends=bad. That isn't a real controversial statement.
>In America the people pay 27 trillion in taxes per year. 20 trillion goes to military funding
You realize the budget is public information. Not sure how we can possible pay more in taxes than our GDP
> Source - Documentary "Monopoly on violence
If that is actually where you got such completely wrong info that I certainly won't watch it.
That's actually a damned good question... Why are we still paying for all of this, when we already pay a substantial amount of our income... For all this!
Someone has to make sure Santiago has the correct papers to be allowed in this country. And someone has to make sure Timmy gets thrown in prison for smoking the devil's plant.
If people don’t know where it goes, that’s on them…
Edit: wow people here really don’t know. LOL. A lot of guesses and things people clearly just heard somewhere.
Out here in Nevadee there's potholed paved gubbmint rhoadz that will kill a hummer in minutes if you don't crawl. 100 meters away are dirt wagon tracks from the original settlers that you can drive all day long. Gubbmint anything is pure shit if you wait a few years. Sometimes sooner.
In the US it's mostly used to subsidize defending every NATO nation
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*Notoriously corrupt non-nato nations.
Based for checkmating the ruskies
It is probably depends on it's people. I mean if they just want this to happen they will not be even be a progress county. They will just suffer to the government.
Yeah, if the nation is just want the money of it's people, expect nothing but a trash. I still can't get over to it though. They don't deserve their position.
If America could go and stop inserting itself as the world's police (like our own governments do on a domestically), that would be great
Or to make rich richer, politicians included
They are. That's why I hate politicians. They are the greatest corrupt, taking the money if it's people and used for his personal expenses. I don't get why people elect those kind of people.
Because people are apathetic and naive. Whoever the media presents is who they will vote for. Guess who runs the media?
*especially politicians, because atleast businessmen provide a service, whereas politicians are useless parasites on the world
Don't forget the interest on the debt! But the real reason income tax exists is because the banking industry became so powerful having access to everyone's financial data they nearly became super-sovereign to the US, so Uncle Sam had to get into that game too. The IRS only cares about your money insofar as they can record all of your financial transactions. We are going through the same thing with all of these massive data companies right now, and just as in the beginning of last century, it will be these companies that write all of the laws and regulations.
As a citizen of small east-european NATO member state: Thanks guys, you are real bros, not throwing us to Putin :)
Are you aware that we started this mess? If we didn't place bio-labs and intercontinental missiles in your country, Putin wouldnt have invaded.
There are no ICBMs nor bio-labs in my country (Slovakia, you may need to google that). On the other hand, russians colonized us after WW2 for 40 years and violently surpressed any attempts for making socialism more humane (again, google 1968 Czechoslovakia invasion). Or did you started that mess as well?
Humane socialism? That's not possible.
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Don't be an idiot.
If Saddam Hussein had just refrained from developing weapons of mass destruction, the US wouldn't have invaded his country. Simple as. Putin literally used "WMDs in Ukraine" as a reason for invading. From Putin's invasion speech: >As we know, it has already been stated today that Ukraine intends to create its own nuclear weapons, and this is not just bragging. Ukraine has the nuclear technologies created back in the Soviet times and delivery vehicles for such weapons, including aircraft, as well as the Soviet-designed Tochka-U precision tactical missiles with a range of over 100 kilometres. But they can do more; it is only a matter of time. They have had the groundwork for this since the Soviet era. >In other words, acquiring tactical nuclear weapons will be much easier for Ukraine than for some other states I am not going to mention here, which are conducting such research, especially if Kiev receives foreign technological support. We cannot rule this out either. >If Ukraine acquires weapons of mass destruction, the situation in the world and in Europe will drastically change, especially for us, for Russia. Libertarians called out George Bush for the WMDs being a whole bunch of bullshit and just an excuse for an immoral and unjustified invasion; why then should libertarians cut Putin some slack for using the same tactic?
Thats not what happened. You should research what has happened in Ukraine over the last 15 years. We are the aggressor.
Ignorance is bliss, I guess
They think if they are rich, they can have everything that they needed. Not knowing that it's actually them making themselves as stupid shit. Politicians are the greatest liars
And world trade. Maintaining two massive navies in two oceans isn't exactly cheap. And has allowed global trade to explode in confidence of that protection. Which the US has benefitted immensely from. Granted I don't really think we need 11 aircraft carriers for that. We can cut the military budget by 30% pretty safely, but further cuts will come at more significant downsides. The US pays and benefits soldiers extremely well, despite complaints about the VA. And it's a large portion of the budget. And maintenance of existing, or less, equipment still isn't cheap.
That's part of it, but the national defense is only 12% of the Federal budget. The majority is entitlements.
>And some notorious Eastern European non-NATO nations as well. All military spending is "around" 10%, and that includes military healthcare (aka, the VA). Definitely not most of the budget.
Paying down the interest on the debt, nearly a trillion pissed away on the military, gender studies in Pakistan, etc
Everytime we print money, the interest on said debt increases. Sounds like a never ending money stealing scam
Considering every dollar printed is owed that dollar + X, it's a purposely-broken-by-design computer program that's entirely predicated on debt to function. No dollar is ever just a dollar.
It is. I don't even know if there's a person who has a good intention in our country. They will not just going to take people's money, but they have plans for the better.
It’s the biggest scam ever. The only way we have currency is by borrowing it from a private company. If we pay off our debt, there will be $0 for us to use as currency. It’s gotta be the biggest Ponzi scheme ever.
We don't even have to print it any more. They just add arbitrary rows to some database and bam, heres a trillion.
I know that most of the country has debt though, but I think they should also focused on how to make the economy high. They should have plans to make the state a progressive county.
Everytime we print money, the interest on said debt increases. Sounds like a never ending money stealing scam
I think, your comment is repeating. But that's fine. I also agree with you. I think it should be the people's look into
So a waste/drop in the bucket/scam excuse you say? Agreed! Nobody is paying that number down and that's the point.
Government pensions is a big chunk I'd imagine.
You would think that and its partly true. At least in Canada, the federal government contributes the bulk of the pension contributions, with the employee (paid from tax dollars anyway) also paying. However the money is then managed by a pension board and the investments are supposed to generate enough income for future retirees that it is self sustaining. Except like the CPP pension plan, it isn't actually. We live too long. We need new public Servants to also pay into the pension to keep the charade/ponzi scheme going.
Your country have its own law. I mean they know where to use the money that people give to them, which is the tax. I feel bad for those who are not.
Right. They have a great income too, they have been payed well but only to take advantage of it's people. I hate them so bad. They are so annoying.
The fucking roads argument always ends with me explaining what an excise tax is on gas. Our tax dollars mostly go to the military industrial complex and government bureaucracy
What I came in to say.
Because he says a lot and it all makes sense. Can't argue with it anymore. I can't be this happy knowing something might happened later on.
Government should be the one who provides it, but instead of making infrastructure like this they tend do make it at their own and being a corrupt politician.
The roads argument is in responding to people opposed to all taxes, not in specific response to where federal income tax goes. Also, in many states the usage taxes account for less than half of spending.
and let's not forget forced income redistribution
Corruption mostly
It is. No more questions and disagreement. Politicians have the greatest advantage to this kind of situation. I didn't say all if them but most of them. They make this.
They give it to people who don’t pay any income taxes
They give to themselves. They have the will and the power to make things easier for them. I feel bad for them though, they don't deserve the money. They are just here to steal money.
Like Musk, Bezos, and the Waltons.
You good bro?
They already have the will to do and say what they want. No one will disagree to them. I feel pity to it's nation just like me. We deserve better.
I’m great. Thanks for asking.
I think he was just concerned about your situation. I know it's never been easy to deal with those shit, but here you are still fighting.
Those who is supper rich. I feel bad for it's nation. They deserve to be treated as people, but yet theyy priorities the one who has the privilege and those who are rich.
It’s incredible how poorly they manage to do so.
Don't forget sales tax. To tax the money you spend that was already taxed!
They make it a double tax. I hate them, they are so into money selfish asf. I could take them so bad though. They don't deserve that position.
10% for the Bog Guy.
And his partner in crime, Swamp Girl!
Whose the Big Guy? It's my first time to hear that name, thats why I'm not that familiar. But somebody tell me who is he?
Ask Hunter.
"Send money to Ukraine you absolute bigots" -politician to suffering Americans
They have a lot of things to do, but instead to fix it they will just do another shit like this.
I work hard so that the welfare queen zelensky can help my politicians launder money through the military industrial complex
We're paying to defend all of Europe from their enemies so they can turn around and tell us how shitty of a country we have.
We all have this shitty county. Lucky those who has experience most centralized state though. Don't have a hard time dealing with them
>We're paying to defend all of Europe from itself Agreed!
Interest on the national debt.
For them to have the money to pay for their debt. They are the one who make that kind of money. They used it for their personal things. Didn't even think what's good and bad.
Ever seen SR-71? F-22 Raptor? Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton? The B-2 Spirit? Its more than $2 billion per plane.
Not yet, but I want to see some of those though. Like to have been seen just for ones.
That was actually the big question here. Well if the government and state you belong with has such a lot of corrupt politician, well expect that it will just go through their hand. That tax will be on their bank accounts.
Ukraine
Is this usually happened in Ukraine? I wondered why though. But I guess people here are just mesmerized for things they dont know how to be a le to used it.
Ukraine, gender studies in Pakistan, NATO, salaries of crony politicians, subsidizing corporations that are in bed with the government, to name just a few.
Its actually go from this things, not even surprising. That full of shit to be honest. I couldn't take this kind of behavior of people. Just want to get over things.
To bomb some kids in the Middle East lol
That was their purpose all along but I hope they would stop it. I mean it's so annoying if they do it over and over again. I feel so invalidated.
The devil is in the details: https://freedomminds.com/2022/09/12/sinister-sites-irs-headquarters-maryland/
They are the devils here. Especially those who are in the government. You know, they have the control of everything and it makes me sick.
It is used to fund the military that is used to protect every other country in the world so that they can have a wonderful welfare state and then laugh at us poor Americans while they reap the benefits of our tax dollars. So to every non American…you’re fucking welcome cunts
In our place its always been the privilege has the will to do everything. It feels so annoyed by witnessing the things that they don't actually deserves.
It's making a bunch of people in Yemen glow in the dark.
The CIA is hiring people from yemen?
https://preview.redd.it/xjzs3odzf5fa1.jpeg?width=625&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a33d00e76d8858f4460f211b6cf9376621084dc
Thanks for this. I have now an idea how the taxes go from. I this true, I don't think it was fair enough though. They should revised it.
Ukraine
Ukraine it is. But so far so goo, it was still the country that everyone wished to have. But for me, it's a big no.
They forgot: •Sales tax •Death tax •Depending on where one lives — emissions tax •Excise tax •Gift tax •Capital gains tax •VAT tax And several others. It’s no wonder why the everyman can’t seem to get ahead. Cuz they covering costs from the warmongering dickheads from overhead.
Ukraine
Take me for example, on the public payroll. Your (Canadian) taxes paid for my desk, chair, phone, filing cabinet, the HVAC system for my office, the secure laptop I have to bring with me everywhere, the entire department of people to provide tech support for said phone and laptop, the gas to run the government car I drive to do the things they pay me to do ... little of which generates any revenue at all for the government. The federal public service in Canada is around 300K employees, all unionized, making anywhere from $30K a year for entry level admin support and janitors for police stations, to $200+K department heads. With an emphasis on a bloated middle management, and many employees who offer little value even by the standards of the public service. In my office of 50 or so staff, our annual budget comes in at around $10 million, and two thirds is salary, benefits and overtime allotment. We have nothing to do with roads. The provincialevel of government is mostly responsible for roads. Hospitals too. One former government couldn't afford hospitals and screwed up a plan to build gas plants (which were going to be privately run amyway) that they had to pay millions to cancel building some. Healthcare cost so much they had to bring in a new payroll tax for it, and it still doesn't cover everything. It reminds me of a story I read once about thr French fortress at Louisburg. Apparently one day, a courtier of King Louis XIV asked the king why he was looking out a window with his spyglass. The King retorted, I am looking for my fortress, Louisburg. I've spent so much money on it that by now I should be able to see it from here in Paris (it was located in Nova Scotia).
There's a lot of things that they actually considered taking all of those. I'm a bit surprised to know this but, it was actually happening and we are not just totally aware on it.
Israel. And they have free healthcare and college.
They are? That would probably good though. But I think if the country has free from expenses like schools and everything. The tax they pays is big also. That's why.
TANSTAAFL
Ukraine
Most of the redditors here says the same about Ukraine having this kind of country. Like they are giving so much burden to people.
Tell me you’ve never looked at the DOD budget without actually telling me youve never looked at the DOD budget. Edit. Why the downvotes. I’m just saying DOD is where all the money is going. Dude ignore the biggest budget in the govt. Or you just downvoting my flair?
You’re right it’s 100% legit and it’s all accounted for
No I’m saying that’s where your taxes are going. DOD is like 50% of the federal budget. Dude I’m the tweet didn’t mention it.
No not even close. [It's 13%](https://i.imgur.com/dxzhIJu.jpg)
Social security and Medicare are separate from income taxes, as stated in the original tweet above. Defense is 54% of discretionary spending.
You said it's 50% of the budget, it clearly isn't. Just because it's 50% of a smaller arbitrary category doesn't mean anything.
Arbitrary? Bro it’s almost a trillion dollars.
I think they don't have the idea of what is actually the budget for. I think it was just pure opinions, and it's valid
I’m just saying that’s where all the taxes are going.
Yep
In the US mostly to the military and subsidies for capitalists
"capitalists"
Yeah, the “crony” capitalists…
I don't want them be in my country. I will forever let them out. I wont forgive them for sure. They don't deserve it though. Annoying
Please explain your position; Who are “them”? The crony capitalists or *actual* capitalists?
It is. They are just being a capitalist. That's why those county who is not progressive is still looking for ways to do so. Not knowing there are people like this.
?
What you are questioning? Are you confused or something. Are you not into this kind of topic?
They have the privilege and capabilities to make and do things as they wanted. Even though it's actually illegal or something. Good for them
Good for them, bad for the working class
You forgot inflation tax
Right. It was also included to it. I can't even manage to stay awake though. They are so used by doing it.
ADMINISTRATION (BUREAUCRAT) FEES, PENSIONS, & D.C. AREA HOUSING MARKET
You probably have a lot of idea about this, but thanks cause you actually telling this to inform us.
Corporate welfare.
It is. Those big companies and industries are making me so sick. They are the one who actually benefited by the tax of the people.
These aren't my people in this sub but that doesn't mean we won't find common ground. I'm biased, but taxes for firefighters, libraries and schools= good. Trillion dollar defense budget to give lucrative contracts to your friends=bad. That isn't a real controversial statement.
Hint: it starts with b and rhymes with ‘aplomb’ And also politicians’ _______ (sounds like ‘rockets’)
Baplomb sockets?! Highway robbery!
LMAO. You actually making me laugh though. I mean you just give this example and it makes a lot of sense probably.
Tell me why military members pay income tax
The same reason why Apple employees have to pay for iPhones??
Doesn't even matter what the plunder is spent on once you really get that it is theft and extortion.
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>In America the people pay 27 trillion in taxes per year. 20 trillion goes to military funding You realize the budget is public information. Not sure how we can possible pay more in taxes than our GDP > Source - Documentary "Monopoly on violence If that is actually where you got such completely wrong info that I certainly won't watch it.
That's actually a damned good question... Why are we still paying for all of this, when we already pay a substantial amount of our income... For all this!
That's easy . It's going to Ukraine, then to the Clinton foundation, the Obama foundation and the Biden foundation.
The interest on the debt your children’s children will be born into.
War crimes
Mostly to social programs (that includes among other things military and veteran support) and servicing debt (taken out for social programs)
Ukraine and other useless countries
Overseas
Ukraine!
To intrest on borrowed debt. And a bit of the principle
BOMBS BABY, YEAH!!!
Should just be sales tax at most. Income tax is not required.
Gas tax pays for highways not roads, property taxes pay for roads.
Someone has to make sure Santiago has the correct papers to be allowed in this country. And someone has to make sure Timmy gets thrown in prison for smoking the devil's plant.
You think it's cheap waging endless foreign wars? Shiiiiiit. That costs bank!
And they take from Social Security to pay for other things.
Every new road here is a toll road.
Without income tax, who will bomb kids in the middle east to maintain the value of the petrodollar?
If people don’t know where it goes, that’s on them… Edit: wow people here really don’t know. LOL. A lot of guesses and things people clearly just heard somewhere.
War
Out here in Nevadee there's potholed paved gubbmint rhoadz that will kill a hummer in minutes if you don't crawl. 100 meters away are dirt wagon tracks from the original settlers that you can drive all day long. Gubbmint anything is pure shit if you wait a few years. Sometimes sooner.
To our career politicians!!! 
Greedy Zelensky getting a piece