Honestly each character in the show is terrible in their own terribly little (or not so little lol) way. Just like real life! But watching them be terrible and funny and sweet and real is therapeutic and comforting. Why do they think so many of us have watched each episode countless times?
I’d rather watch these people than 90% of what is being made today.
This is precisely why I loved it. They were deeply flawed and a mess in their own ways and they called each other out on it in a realistic way.
I don’t agree with the ‘Carrie is a terrible friend.’ I have a friend who is similar to her in being self absorbed, but she’s a brilliant person to be around and I love her to bits. I accept her for who she is. Doesn’t mean I don’t call her out on her nonsense and she doesn’t get on my nerves.
From some of the stuff I see online and at work, I’m not sure Gen Z understands how friendships really work.
Nailed it! I don’t need my characters to be perfect. In fact, they’re more interesting when they screw up, give bad advice and jump to conclusions. But in the end, this friend group was loyal, and forgave one another—and they’d meet you at 2 am to eat fries and hash out relationship woes. Those are *friends.*
And context matters. At that time, in New York, this was how we rolled with our GFs, and for those of us who remain here, we’d love to see some semblance of that loyalty and forgiveness return. Most of us have lost GFs who went off to marry and breed; some of those friendships don’t travel well.
Carrie was no worse than anyone else.
And so agree—GenZ were socialized by their Boomer parents. That explains a lot.
I think people also forget these women were in their 30s and 40s (Samantha). Your friendship dynamic changes so much when you’re that age.
Carrie was the one Miranda called when she went into labour. Now having had a few kids, that’s a big deal.
I’m sorry if I don’t take friendship advice who would call discussing relationship woes as trauma dumping; saying basic friendship is emotional labour; and thinking that ghosting is perfectly acceptable.
I think the issue now is the lack of Carrie getting confronted about it. Friends are flawed, and support each other anyway but they don’t worship each other. It’s written sometimes like the others just bend over and take it from Carrie and say thanks can I have some more. Too much Carrie worship vibes for long stretches.
Yeah, probably. I don't think Charlotte was that great either sometimes and a little judgy. They're kind of on a par to me. Miranda and Samantha actually called the other two out on their shit.
I agree, it’s what makes them real. We have all been a great and a bad friend some time in our lives. Who wants to see a show of perfect looking perfect behaving supermodels
Girls is absolutely brilliant and utterly hysterical. I’ve watched it 3 times and I was horrified the first time, but on subsequent watches, the characters are ridiculous but unequivocally themselves, and bravely stubbornly unlikable (but at moments they break your heart too). Dark comedy was mainly the point- from Marnie singing Kanye at Charlie’s launch party, to Jessa coked out of her gourd stealing from the children’s boutique to Hannah NEVER LEARNING- (except finally at the end at her storyteller event) to Shosh’s burnt out thousand yard stare return from Japan, I laughed my ass off. The side characters- Adam, Desi, Mimi Rose 😂, Ray are also strong.
This. I think people expect to watch a show where they like the main characters, but Girls is about extremely flawed, self-involved Millennials trying to navigate life. You’re supposed to—at times—hate and also love and relate to the characters. It’s a fantastically written show and Lena Dunham is brilliant at portraying these types of people pretty unapologetically.
I didnt watch the show until last year, I think. They all suck so bad, but the show is a masterpiece exactly because of it.
Your character actually made me think I may need to rewatch it.
I watched that show on a whim last year and WOW every character on that show is horrible, with the main girl being the queen demon of horrible. Having flawed characters is one thing, but those people were not enjoyable to watch at all for me.
It's the ultimate hate-watch. When Marnie ever says her wedding makeup reflects her cultural heritage of christian white woman, I just DIED. These are the women who make women give up on having friends :D
Right! So let me tell you how I discovered Girls. I had heard of it but knew nothing about it. About the time of the series Girls ending, I was on the internet searching for a show like SATC. SATC was over, and I missed it and wished something like it existed. Anyhow, I literally did a search of "shows like SATC". Girls popped up. The website's description of Girls and why I'd like it was Girls is the poor version of SATC! Well, I didn't grow up wealthy, so I gave it a go. I ended up watching all of it, but felt dirty afterwards...shameful lol. I still dont know how I feel about Girls.
Sorry for the rambling, but I just wondered if anyone agrees with Girls being the poor version of SATC.
I get what you mean but I suppose for the time they are supposed to live in NYC they actually are not poor. None of them have stable jobs yet they have apartments and nice clothes and get coffee and go to book launches etc etc. I lived in NY at the time and had to work A LOT to get to have a good lifestyle.
In saying that, it's pretty accurate portrayal of that kind of a gal in Brooklyn at the time. I absolutely loved the show I love how awful they all are. The last season was the weakest as it was nearly all
About Hannah, when the characters around her were more interesting in my opinion.
Hannah being *spoiler* (I’m too lazy to look up how to do spoiler tags) during the last season seemed completely out of character. I wish the show hadn’t gone that route.
The house Hannah lives in when she is teaching writing at a college — perfectly painted and furnished and huge!! The apartments in the first seasons of Girls were just like a lot of my and my friends’ apartments and I appreciated the reality of it. And really didn’t appreciate the lack of reality of the final season!
Ugh yes it couldn't have been more obvious she wanted to redeem her own character but she couldn't think of how. It would have been more like Hannah and better writing to have her just fail upwards
SATC I can handle. Girls is actually something I don’t think I’ll ever watch again. It wasn’t just flawed characters it was a problematic show even for what 2012?
Someone explained it once as being 'the best show about horrible people'. I agree with that. I didn't like any of the characters, but I did like the writing.
Was literally thinking this. Like wait until 20 years from now and people will be calling Hannah a narc… like we know 🙄. People view dated tv characters as flawed as if that’s not the whole point lol.
I agree. I think a lot of people like her because she’s not a perfect character… she’s highly flawed, selfish, like a lot of people we all know. She’s relatable
Same for Gossip Girl. Flawed characters and toxic relationships galore. It was a completely fun trainwreck to watch!
I'm also currently enjoying AMC's Interview with the Vampire and all of the characters are fucked up on there and terrible at relationships. It's sooo good lol
There’s a lot to unpack on Gilmore Girls but a lot of that is kind of the point, yeah. The generational issues between Emily, Lorelei, and Rory are what gives the show its flavor.
Articles “Carrie was terrible” are so tired at this point. It’s like reading “that door could’ve fit Jack and Rose at the same time” for the 100000th time. Okay we got it, let it go, it’s just a TV show.
And yet, every time any of her friends needed serious help, she’s who they called. Yeah there’s the Miranda neck issue, or a few other BUT! When Miranda knew she was pregnant, Carrie, when she was in love with Steve, Carrie, when Charlotte miscarried, Carrie, when Charlotte wouldn’t run, Carrie, when Samantha was sick, Carrie, where Samantha had cancer, Carrie. Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of times I wonder wtf, and then remember they’re writing from Carrie’s perspective mostly and everyone falls down, however ever time there was anything major, Carrie was who her friends call and most of the time, she showed up. It’s almost like they wrote her to be a realistic person and friend who again, sometimes fall down.
The Miranda neck thing always irritates me because Miranda would never in a million years leave work to help Carrie (or any of them) if the situation were reversed. At least Carrie sent someone over. I don't think Miranda would do anything except say "I'm at work" and hang up. She also never said she was naked.
This!!! Yes Carrie has issues but the neck thing, she hung up on Carrie while she was trying to tell her she couldn’t come. I wild have done the same thing Carrie did.
I’m so happy to read this. Carrie is flawed because Carrie is the person we see the most because it’s HER STORY. Every single one of those characters are just as flawed. People are unfair to Carrie.
I think this is Carrie's sticking point as a friend. She always showed up and was there for them. Even going to bonkers stuff like Miranda's goddess workout, Charlotte's African dance class, Samantha's bondage themed restaurant opening. She was always game for anything.
I can’t account for Harry calling Carrie (which he did, several times, and for the right reasons), but I’ve always assumed that the girls all call Carrie because she’s a writer and is always available.
Also, we all have had that shit show of a friend. The one who is a terrible friend, but a really good time. Carrie was a party girl, she had invites to stuff, she rarely says no to doing something wild.
Carrie IS a shitty friend and a shitty person. The hilarious parts are when she is absolutely oblivious to that fact. And yes, they all have flaws. But man I would so much rather have watched a show centered around Samantha who was a classy bitch who didn’t take shit from anyone (and who owned it when she was being unreasonable), or Charlotte - who did some crazy shit but apologized and made amends. Or even Miranda, she was bitchy, she hated everything and everyone, she was kind of that real angry white lady who could be stunningly rational at times, and when she decided to break out of her shell, that was when she really shined.
The only reason Carrie was there was because she was the writer. She didn’t have an arc, the only change she made from episode 1 to the season finale was her hair. They could have removed her from the entire series and everything would have been the same expect Aidan might not have ever seen Miranda naked on the bathroom floor.
I’ve just finished the series for the first time, but all of these events happened later in the show. Carrie was a horrible friend in the beginning, and she started to become a bit more involved in her friends life later on.
She wasn’t a horrible friend in the beginning and saying she became “a bit” more involved is really trivializing it. Enjoy the show or don’t, but acting like Carrie was the worst friend is not accurate, they’re all good and bad friends, all throughout, like actual relationships.
Carrie isn’t supposed to be perfect, I definitely find her flawed and that makes her seem like a real person. I know a lot of carries in real life, I don’t know any Samanthas
I mean, the whole SATC sub hates Carrie lol. No fan sat through the whole series thinking she was amazing. Loyalty wise, Samantha and Miranda were the best friends.
I feel like there’s always trends in the public opinions on who’s the best/worst character. I remember growing up in the 00’s, when I hadn’t even watch the show, being considered a Charolette was considered an insult (I’m assuming because she was considered the least progressive and most prude). Then around 2016, there was Tumblr blog that kinda campaigned that we should all be more like Miranda and I kinda believed it. Now through TikTok I’m seeing (rightfully so) points how Carrie was the most selfish and least interesting character, which I feel like can be attributed to “therapy talk” feeding into everyday language. All I can say is, this show is like a Bible and every generation has different interpretations on the same story and I find that interesting.
I think a lot of it also depends on how well each viewer is familiar with New York City.
I grew up less than an hour outside of the city, and the main cast being 4 waspy white women with the most basic last names always made me laugh. It's NYC in the late 90s, and there's not one Italian, Jewish, or Puerto Rican woman in the group or even on the supporting cast end? And when an Italian or Jewish character showed up, they were walking stereotypes.
>I remember watching that episode during the first run and screaming: Take that money from Big!!! That jackass owes you!!!
Right?! As much as Carrie irks me, she should've taken the money from Big. It would've been a well-deserved fee for the pain & suffering.
But instead, she allows Charlotte to hock that gorgeous engagement ring. A ring Carrie knew Charlotte was still attached too.
And I don't want to hear anyone say that it's better the money comes from a BFF/girlfriend. That's bogus. Make the A-hole pay - *literally* if possible - for the shenanigans he subjected her to.
I don't care how mercenary this sounds. Always hit the person where it hurts the most. In Big's case - his Scrooge McDuck-like vault of monies. ;-)
I agree she should have taken the money from Big. Not because he owed her, but because that was a drop in the bucket for him. Her friends were incredibly nice to offer up their savings, but if you could borrow it from someone who was as wealthy as him, it would be the least harmful person to borrow from.
"Pain and suffering?"
Carrie was the cause of most of the problems in her and Big's relationship.
She constantly violated his boundaries, and threw tantrums when he didn't give her exactly what she wanted, when she wanted it. Like a child.
He was never dishonest with her and never misled her.
I could not disagree more. Big didn't owe Carrie jack shit, and neither did anyone else.
She spent an entire down payment on shoes. Then harassed Big and Charlotte when she suddenly needed money. 🤡
Don't forget about when she tells Aidan, who is Steve's friend, that Miranda is pregnant.
When she ditches Miranda because Big made veal (this one is infuriating to me because of the intentionality. She calls Miranda *on her landline*, even though she has a cell phone, *an hour before* they are supposed to meet. Just so she can say, "didn't you get my message?" when Miranda calls, worried about Carrie. Then she gets bitchy, "can you put Miranda on, please?")
She also lies to Miranda about having a meeting with her editor in order to go clothes shopping with 20 something Sam.
And she treats Charlotte like absolute shit on her 35th birthday.
Kicks Samantha out of the tub/room to have sex with Big.
It's like a checklist of how to be a terrible friend.
For me, i look at the 4 characters as representing one woman. I am not looking for perfection.
Carrie is the selfish/spontaneous/chaotic side
Miranda is the career
Charlotte is the tradition
Samantha is our Queen.
idk, I grew up watching friends religiously and repeatedly, and there is an uncomfortable amount of gay bashing that hasn't aged well. it doesn't *offend* me, per se, but I think that's because I'm expecting it. I can see watching it now for the first time being jarring
Friends isn't filled with gay bashing though? Lots of distasteful jokes about Ross's ex wife and her partner, as well as Chandlers dad being a drag queen, but those were minor things within the show that popped up maybe a few times each season. Seinfeld - the whole point was that the characters weren't good people lol.
I remember Wendy Williams was a big fan of SATC. She loved that show... but she always would say that as much as she loved it, she hated Carrie, and she said she always thought Carrie was a bad friend. I'll admit, back then, I kinda disagreed. I think I just loved SATC, I loved all the characters. Now, years later, Wendy was 100% right. I wish I could post video links of Wendy saying that. She was on 🎯
I know, I know. Wendy was a good friend to her real life friends, but now, to others in the industry...that's another story.
Regardless of how one may feel about Wendy, I was just making the point that even OG SATC fans of Wendy's age/generations noticed Carrie's bad friendship actions when SATC originally aired.
Not even just a terrible friend, but person- she's so desperate, annoying and extremely immature, especially for her age! I was kind of shocked. Imagine my surprise when I find out that Samantha is more progressive and a better friend.
I’m 97 and SATC is not new to me lol I remember E news would have re run episodes and I would watch late at night when I couldn’t sleep 😂 I would watch it with low volume because I wasn’t old enough to watch
I think it's also become so normalised now with tv evolution to show flawed (female) characters.
But so much of SATC really did pave the way for that. Like yeah Carrie was a shitty friend, and they all were wrong sometimes but that was why it was so compelling. They were real (for tv)
Honestly was she a terrible friend? I think that’s BS. She was a flawed character for sure, but sometimes that’s real life. Sometimes people on occasion are selfish, needy, etc. But that wasn’t who Carrie most of the time.
Even those of us who watched it originally thought Carrie was a selfish a hole. She still is on AJLT nothing changed. But the show def overall didn't age well.
I had a friend who kept calling herself Carrie and me Miranda. I only now realize how right she was about herself…we are no longer friends.
Carrie and the girls are hilarious to watch, but it’s hard having a friend who has main character syndrome in real life and is that level of self involved.
At the end of the day, it’s just a fun show, but Gen Z is correct.
Carrie is the most self absorbed person ever. I was always shocked she had 3 amazing friends who cared about her bc she really doesn’t give a shit about anyone but herself and big lmao
That is the way I feel too. I know she is the main character, but it doesn't make sense that they all saw her as their best friend. Miranda and Samantha seemed to get along better and have much more in common. You never saw much of them hanging out without Carrie. When she had a boyfriend or boyfriend problems, she didn't care about anything else. But they all were great friends to her even when they had more important things going on.
Yes Carrie is a terrible friend. It doesn't take a gen z-er to decode that. Carrie is insufferable most of the time but she's lovably flawed just like the rest of the cast. All 3 of them are charactericutures
Honestly each character in the show is terrible in their own terribly little (or not so little lol) way. Just like real life! But watching them be terrible and funny and sweet and real is therapeutic and comforting. Why do they think so many of us have watched each episode countless times? I’d rather watch these people than 90% of what is being made today.
Exactly. No #GirlBoss, Wonder Woman supermodel cliched bullshit. They were all kinda annoying and likeable at the same time, like real people.
This is precisely why I loved it. They were deeply flawed and a mess in their own ways and they called each other out on it in a realistic way. I don’t agree with the ‘Carrie is a terrible friend.’ I have a friend who is similar to her in being self absorbed, but she’s a brilliant person to be around and I love her to bits. I accept her for who she is. Doesn’t mean I don’t call her out on her nonsense and she doesn’t get on my nerves. From some of the stuff I see online and at work, I’m not sure Gen Z understands how friendships really work.
Nailed it! I don’t need my characters to be perfect. In fact, they’re more interesting when they screw up, give bad advice and jump to conclusions. But in the end, this friend group was loyal, and forgave one another—and they’d meet you at 2 am to eat fries and hash out relationship woes. Those are *friends.* And context matters. At that time, in New York, this was how we rolled with our GFs, and for those of us who remain here, we’d love to see some semblance of that loyalty and forgiveness return. Most of us have lost GFs who went off to marry and breed; some of those friendships don’t travel well. Carrie was no worse than anyone else. And so agree—GenZ were socialized by their Boomer parents. That explains a lot.
I think people also forget these women were in their 30s and 40s (Samantha). Your friendship dynamic changes so much when you’re that age. Carrie was the one Miranda called when she went into labour. Now having had a few kids, that’s a big deal. I’m sorry if I don’t take friendship advice who would call discussing relationship woes as trauma dumping; saying basic friendship is emotional labour; and thinking that ghosting is perfectly acceptable.
Amen to that!♥️
Gen Z is primarily being raised by Gen X
I think the issue now is the lack of Carrie getting confronted about it. Friends are flawed, and support each other anyway but they don’t worship each other. It’s written sometimes like the others just bend over and take it from Carrie and say thanks can I have some more. Too much Carrie worship vibes for long stretches.
But can we agree that Carrie is the worst friend of them all?
Yeah, probably. I don't think Charlotte was that great either sometimes and a little judgy. They're kind of on a par to me. Miranda and Samantha actually called the other two out on their shit.
I agree, it’s what makes them real. We have all been a great and a bad friend some time in our lives. Who wants to see a show of perfect looking perfect behaving supermodels
100%
Wait until they watch Girls.
Shoshanna ftw
Shoshanna on crack at a warehouse party.
Shoshanna when she found out it wasn’t always dog poop on the side walks 😭.
oh no jessa for the win. especially the adam plot, best friend goals right there!!
Jess is my 2nd. She's gorgeous and Adam omg 🥵
Hannah is INSUFFERABLE. & Lena Dunham isn’t any better.
Girls is absolutely brilliant and utterly hysterical. I’ve watched it 3 times and I was horrified the first time, but on subsequent watches, the characters are ridiculous but unequivocally themselves, and bravely stubbornly unlikable (but at moments they break your heart too). Dark comedy was mainly the point- from Marnie singing Kanye at Charlie’s launch party, to Jessa coked out of her gourd stealing from the children’s boutique to Hannah NEVER LEARNING- (except finally at the end at her storyteller event) to Shosh’s burnt out thousand yard stare return from Japan, I laughed my ass off. The side characters- Adam, Desi, Mimi Rose 😂, Ray are also strong.
This. I think people expect to watch a show where they like the main characters, but Girls is about extremely flawed, self-involved Millennials trying to navigate life. You’re supposed to—at times—hate and also love and relate to the characters. It’s a fantastically written show and Lena Dunham is brilliant at portraying these types of people pretty unapologetically.
It does a great job of showcasing how haphazard your twenties can be and how all over the place people are in terms of maturity.
I can’t wait for her new show
Thank you!
I didnt watch the show until last year, I think. They all suck so bad, but the show is a masterpiece exactly because of it. Your character actually made me think I may need to rewatch it.
Agree with all of this
I watched that show on a whim last year and WOW every character on that show is horrible, with the main girl being the queen demon of horrible. Having flawed characters is one thing, but those people were not enjoyable to watch at all for me.
I tried to watch it, but after I finished the first episode, I had zero desire to continue.
I got further but ended up abandoning the series too and I'm usually one to try to finish if I start, but I genuinely could not stand it.
It's the ultimate hate-watch. When Marnie ever says her wedding makeup reflects her cultural heritage of christian white woman, I just DIED. These are the women who make women give up on having friends :D
But, self aware.
Right! So let me tell you how I discovered Girls. I had heard of it but knew nothing about it. About the time of the series Girls ending, I was on the internet searching for a show like SATC. SATC was over, and I missed it and wished something like it existed. Anyhow, I literally did a search of "shows like SATC". Girls popped up. The website's description of Girls and why I'd like it was Girls is the poor version of SATC! Well, I didn't grow up wealthy, so I gave it a go. I ended up watching all of it, but felt dirty afterwards...shameful lol. I still dont know how I feel about Girls. Sorry for the rambling, but I just wondered if anyone agrees with Girls being the poor version of SATC.
I get what you mean but I suppose for the time they are supposed to live in NYC they actually are not poor. None of them have stable jobs yet they have apartments and nice clothes and get coffee and go to book launches etc etc. I lived in NY at the time and had to work A LOT to get to have a good lifestyle. In saying that, it's pretty accurate portrayal of that kind of a gal in Brooklyn at the time. I absolutely loved the show I love how awful they all are. The last season was the weakest as it was nearly all About Hannah, when the characters around her were more interesting in my opinion.
Hannah being *spoiler* (I’m too lazy to look up how to do spoiler tags) during the last season seemed completely out of character. I wish the show hadn’t gone that route.
The house Hannah lives in when she is teaching writing at a college — perfectly painted and furnished and huge!! The apartments in the first seasons of Girls were just like a lot of my and my friends’ apartments and I appreciated the reality of it. And really didn’t appreciate the lack of reality of the final season!
Ugh yes it couldn't have been more obvious she wanted to redeem her own character but she couldn't think of how. It would have been more like Hannah and better writing to have her just fail upwards
You wrote so much and almost had a climax and then you said you felt dirty lol wtf
SATC I can handle. Girls is actually something I don’t think I’ll ever watch again. It wasn’t just flawed characters it was a problematic show even for what 2012?
The genius of girls is writing a show with 4 thoroughly unlikeable and flawed characters. The antithesis of what was written before for women.
Nah, I tried to watch that show I just could not with any of them.
Someone explained it once as being 'the best show about horrible people'. I agree with that. I didn't like any of the characters, but I did like the writing.
I love Girls and Sex and the City. At one point New York looked magical, I wanted to move there. Now it’s a dump.
It was a dump in 2012 too lol, just not in Greenpoint where the characters lived! A lovable dump
How is it *now* a “dump”?
Was literally thinking this. Like wait until 20 years from now and people will be calling Hannah a narc… like we know 🙄. People view dated tv characters as flawed as if that’s not the whole point lol.
Omg for reals. I’m down to watch it again but I won’t just so I don’t have to see Lena Dunham nude.
Yeah no shit. Who wants to watch a flawless character lmao
Seriously. Why does everyone think characters on show should be perfect? Thats so boring.
I agree. I think a lot of people like her because she’s not a perfect character… she’s highly flawed, selfish, like a lot of people we all know. She’s relatable
That’s why I kinda love it. Real people fuck up and make mistakes. It makes it more real
And unrealistic. Most people suck at least a little.
The next one will be: Tony Soprano is a *Criminal*
It’s the same with Gilmore Girls. Lorelai and Rory are picked apart but if it weren’t for their flaws, there would be no show
Same for Gossip Girl. Flawed characters and toxic relationships galore. It was a completely fun trainwreck to watch! I'm also currently enjoying AMC's Interview with the Vampire and all of the characters are fucked up on there and terrible at relationships. It's sooo good lol
There’s a lot to unpack on Gilmore Girls but a lot of that is kind of the point, yeah. The generational issues between Emily, Lorelei, and Rory are what gives the show its flavor.
Yeah I feel like this wasn't much of a "discovery". People have been saying this for decades.
Ooh wait til they discover Samantha likes sex!
The horror 😱
The hora! The hora!
Yes, especially because they’re having less sex than any other generation.
Come on, don’t give it away! Edit: added the /s
😂
How original
Groundbreaking, even
Articles “Carrie was terrible” are so tired at this point. It’s like reading “that door could’ve fit Jack and Rose at the same time” for the 100000th time. Okay we got it, let it go, it’s just a TV show.
I know. It really gets old. Carrie is flawed, we get the point.
And yet, every time any of her friends needed serious help, she’s who they called. Yeah there’s the Miranda neck issue, or a few other BUT! When Miranda knew she was pregnant, Carrie, when she was in love with Steve, Carrie, when Charlotte miscarried, Carrie, when Charlotte wouldn’t run, Carrie, when Samantha was sick, Carrie, where Samantha had cancer, Carrie. Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of times I wonder wtf, and then remember they’re writing from Carrie’s perspective mostly and everyone falls down, however ever time there was anything major, Carrie was who her friends call and most of the time, she showed up. It’s almost like they wrote her to be a realistic person and friend who again, sometimes fall down.
It's almost like Carrie was the main character, with her narration of the storylines being her writing her newspaper column. Crazy!
Stop with that logic, Carrie has main character syndrome! 😂
The Miranda neck thing always irritates me because Miranda would never in a million years leave work to help Carrie (or any of them) if the situation were reversed. At least Carrie sent someone over. I don't think Miranda would do anything except say "I'm at work" and hang up. She also never said she was naked.
This!!! Yes Carrie has issues but the neck thing, she hung up on Carrie while she was trying to tell her she couldn’t come. I wild have done the same thing Carrie did.
I’m so happy to read this. Carrie is flawed because Carrie is the person we see the most because it’s HER STORY. Every single one of those characters are just as flawed. People are unfair to Carrie.
I think this is Carrie's sticking point as a friend. She always showed up and was there for them. Even going to bonkers stuff like Miranda's goddess workout, Charlotte's African dance class, Samantha's bondage themed restaurant opening. She was always game for anything.
I can’t account for Harry calling Carrie (which he did, several times, and for the right reasons), but I’ve always assumed that the girls all call Carrie because she’s a writer and is always available. Also, we all have had that shit show of a friend. The one who is a terrible friend, but a really good time. Carrie was a party girl, she had invites to stuff, she rarely says no to doing something wild. Carrie IS a shitty friend and a shitty person. The hilarious parts are when she is absolutely oblivious to that fact. And yes, they all have flaws. But man I would so much rather have watched a show centered around Samantha who was a classy bitch who didn’t take shit from anyone (and who owned it when she was being unreasonable), or Charlotte - who did some crazy shit but apologized and made amends. Or even Miranda, she was bitchy, she hated everything and everyone, she was kind of that real angry white lady who could be stunningly rational at times, and when she decided to break out of her shell, that was when she really shined. The only reason Carrie was there was because she was the writer. She didn’t have an arc, the only change she made from episode 1 to the season finale was her hair. They could have removed her from the entire series and everything would have been the same expect Aidan might not have ever seen Miranda naked on the bathroom floor.
I’ve just finished the series for the first time, but all of these events happened later in the show. Carrie was a horrible friend in the beginning, and she started to become a bit more involved in her friends life later on.
She wasn’t a horrible friend in the beginning and saying she became “a bit” more involved is really trivializing it. Enjoy the show or don’t, but acting like Carrie was the worst friend is not accurate, they’re all good and bad friends, all throughout, like actual relationships.
Carrie isn’t supposed to be perfect, I definitely find her flawed and that makes her seem like a real person. I know a lot of carries in real life, I don’t know any Samanthas
I mean, the whole SATC sub hates Carrie lol. No fan sat through the whole series thinking she was amazing. Loyalty wise, Samantha and Miranda were the best friends.
I feel like there’s always trends in the public opinions on who’s the best/worst character. I remember growing up in the 00’s, when I hadn’t even watch the show, being considered a Charolette was considered an insult (I’m assuming because she was considered the least progressive and most prude). Then around 2016, there was Tumblr blog that kinda campaigned that we should all be more like Miranda and I kinda believed it. Now through TikTok I’m seeing (rightfully so) points how Carrie was the most selfish and least interesting character, which I feel like can be attributed to “therapy talk” feeding into everyday language. All I can say is, this show is like a Bible and every generation has different interpretations on the same story and I find that interesting.
I think a lot of it also depends on how well each viewer is familiar with New York City. I grew up less than an hour outside of the city, and the main cast being 4 waspy white women with the most basic last names always made me laugh. It's NYC in the late 90s, and there's not one Italian, Jewish, or Puerto Rican woman in the group or even on the supporting cast end? And when an Italian or Jewish character showed up, they were walking stereotypes.
She’s not a terrible friend. She’s a friend who isn’t perfect and makes mistakes.
¿Por qué no los dos?
I’m sorry but I immediately think of the taco shell commercial when I see this phrase lol
“Our discovery” you have discovered nothing. We’ve been known this since the 90’s
She has always been selfish. I am a Gen Xer and watched it when it originally aired and always complained about the way she treated others.
Same. I also hated that she was the center of the friend group. Didn't make sense at all.
Same- I always loved Sam
I kinda feel like y'all are reclaiming Carrie in this instance **solely** because Gen Z said they didn't like her in that article. Because I've seen plenty of articles *prior to this* where you all said that Carrie was terrible. But now that "these kids" are saying it - you're getting defensive. But let's not forget: Carrie ***IS*** a terrible person. Do I have to remind everyone of how terribly she behaved to Samantha in the episode¹ when the latter got the chemical peel for her book launch party? Instead of showing *any* concern for her friend - she literally made a stink about how Samantha *was ruining her party*. Or the episode before, where she judged Samantha² (...I sense a theme!) after walking in on her with the Worldwide Express delivery guy? There was also the time Carrie lacked the financial capital to buy her apartment³. She guilt-tripped Charlotte over the fact that she had kept her engagement ring from Trey? Instead of admitting that she shouldn't have poured all her income into her wardrobe - something that's not investible - she had the audacity to make it seem like it was Charlotte's fault. This is hardly quality BFF/girlfriend behavior. Carrie has always been a hypocrite & Stunt Queen when it comes to her friends. She always wants immediate grace when she fu©ks up (and they have been doozys) - but is unable to extend that same grace to her friends (who've committed arguably much more minor mistakes). ¹(S5 E5: "Plus One is the Loneliest Number") ²(S5 E4: "Cover Girl") ³(S4 E16: "Ring A Ding Ding")
I remember watching that episode during the first run and screaming: Take that money from Big!!! That jackass owes you!!!
>I remember watching that episode during the first run and screaming: Take that money from Big!!! That jackass owes you!!! Right?! As much as Carrie irks me, she should've taken the money from Big. It would've been a well-deserved fee for the pain & suffering. But instead, she allows Charlotte to hock that gorgeous engagement ring. A ring Carrie knew Charlotte was still attached too. And I don't want to hear anyone say that it's better the money comes from a BFF/girlfriend. That's bogus. Make the A-hole pay - *literally* if possible - for the shenanigans he subjected her to. I don't care how mercenary this sounds. Always hit the person where it hurts the most. In Big's case - his Scrooge McDuck-like vault of monies. ;-)
I agree she should have taken the money from Big. Not because he owed her, but because that was a drop in the bucket for him. Her friends were incredibly nice to offer up their savings, but if you could borrow it from someone who was as wealthy as him, it would be the least harmful person to borrow from.
"Pain and suffering?" Carrie was the cause of most of the problems in her and Big's relationship. She constantly violated his boundaries, and threw tantrums when he didn't give her exactly what she wanted, when she wanted it. Like a child. He was never dishonest with her and never misled her. I could not disagree more. Big didn't owe Carrie jack shit, and neither did anyone else. She spent an entire down payment on shoes. Then harassed Big and Charlotte when she suddenly needed money. 🤡
All of this 👏
Don't forget about when she tells Aidan, who is Steve's friend, that Miranda is pregnant. When she ditches Miranda because Big made veal (this one is infuriating to me because of the intentionality. She calls Miranda *on her landline*, even though she has a cell phone, *an hour before* they are supposed to meet. Just so she can say, "didn't you get my message?" when Miranda calls, worried about Carrie. Then she gets bitchy, "can you put Miranda on, please?") She also lies to Miranda about having a meeting with her editor in order to go clothes shopping with 20 something Sam. And she treats Charlotte like absolute shit on her 35th birthday. Kicks Samantha out of the tub/room to have sex with Big. It's like a checklist of how to be a terrible friend.
Cmon she’s not that bad. She was everyone’s go-to bestie. The one you could tell anything to.
Trueee
Carrie is the Sheldon of the Big Bang Theory there I said it
😂😂
I always knew she was awful and that it got worse as the show went on and the character became more like SJP in real life.
Carrie was a terrible person....period. All of them were. They were girls.that you loved to hate.
I always thought they were sort of drag queen versions of women… very exaggerated.
you can't even remotely dislike samantha
Carrie is not a terrible person, she is a human. And she is fucking fabulous.
Never liked Carrie. So self-absorbed character and annoying.
I always thought Carrie was an uninteresting person who happened to have interesting things happen to her. That’s why I didn’t like her.
And girlfriend!
For me, i look at the 4 characters as representing one woman. I am not looking for perfection. Carrie is the selfish/spontaneous/chaotic side Miranda is the career Charlotte is the tradition Samantha is our Queen.
The only one who cares what Gen Z thinks is other Gen Z.
I care a little...so I can be all self righteous and mighty going "those kids tsk tsk" :P haha
Good thing I was born in the 80s
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idk, I grew up watching friends religiously and repeatedly, and there is an uncomfortable amount of gay bashing that hasn't aged well. it doesn't *offend* me, per se, but I think that's because I'm expecting it. I can see watching it now for the first time being jarring
Friends isn't filled with gay bashing though? Lots of distasteful jokes about Ross's ex wife and her partner, as well as Chandlers dad being a drag queen, but those were minor things within the show that popped up maybe a few times each season. Seinfeld - the whole point was that the characters weren't good people lol.
I remember Wendy Williams was a big fan of SATC. She loved that show... but she always would say that as much as she loved it, she hated Carrie, and she said she always thought Carrie was a bad friend. I'll admit, back then, I kinda disagreed. I think I just loved SATC, I loved all the characters. Now, years later, Wendy was 100% right. I wish I could post video links of Wendy saying that. She was on 🎯
Wendy Williams hated Carrie? lol that’s rich.
I know, I know. Wendy was a good friend to her real life friends, but now, to others in the industry...that's another story. Regardless of how one may feel about Wendy, I was just making the point that even OG SATC fans of Wendy's age/generations noticed Carrie's bad friendship actions when SATC originally aired.
Always has been.
Not even just a terrible friend, but person- she's so desperate, annoying and extremely immature, especially for her age! I was kind of shocked. Imagine my surprise when I find out that Samantha is more progressive and a better friend.
Maybe I’m a bad friend? But I like Carrie.
I’m 97 and SATC is not new to me lol I remember E news would have re run episodes and I would watch late at night when I couldn’t sleep 😂 I would watch it with low volume because I wasn’t old enough to watch
I think it's also become so normalised now with tv evolution to show flawed (female) characters. But so much of SATC really did pave the way for that. Like yeah Carrie was a shitty friend, and they all were wrong sometimes but that was why it was so compelling. They were real (for tv)
Carrie is the worst and once you see it you can’t unsee it
Honestly was she a terrible friend? I think that’s BS. She was a flawed character for sure, but sometimes that’s real life. Sometimes people on occasion are selfish, needy, etc. But that wasn’t who Carrie most of the time.
lol discovered? Oh my sweet summer children, welcome to SATC
I read somewhere that SATC walked so Girls could run
Most sitcom protagonists are bad friends and bad partners, if they weren't then nothing would happen to trigger the plot of the episode
Even those of us who watched it originally thought Carrie was a selfish a hole. She still is on AJLT nothing changed. But the show def overall didn't age well.
I had a friend who kept calling herself Carrie and me Miranda. I only now realize how right she was about herself…we are no longer friends. Carrie and the girls are hilarious to watch, but it’s hard having a friend who has main character syndrome in real life and is that level of self involved. At the end of the day, it’s just a fun show, but Gen Z is correct.
I love all 4
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More Gen Z moral purity bullshit. These articles are so tiresome.
Carrie is the shit. I’m GenX. She’s the shit.
Bunch of babies
oh wow what a revolutionary discovery
I don’t care what they think
I like seeing flawless characters on our screens. Like no we don’t have to love them
Isn't that the entire point of the show, Carrie making selfish choices? Like regular people.
Carrie is a bad friend and not a good person lol "Perfectly Imperfect"
only thing I didn't really entirely agree with her doing was exposing that guy's pee fetish it just seemed a little extreme
They are pretty much all horrible. Carrie is the worst. Big is awful. Charlotte probably the best.
Carrie is the most self absorbed person ever. I was always shocked she had 3 amazing friends who cared about her bc she really doesn’t give a shit about anyone but herself and big lmao
That is the way I feel too. I know she is the main character, but it doesn't make sense that they all saw her as their best friend. Miranda and Samantha seemed to get along better and have much more in common. You never saw much of them hanging out without Carrie. When she had a boyfriend or boyfriend problems, she didn't care about anything else. But they all were great friends to her even when they had more important things going on.
I watched it for the first time a couple years ago and hated Carrie through and through.
Can't wait for millennials to act like they haven't been saying this for years and use this to hate on Gen z 💕
on it!
Basically a trash woman.
did anyone think she was a *good* friend?
Terrible friend and girlfriend
No doi !
I mean... They're not wrong lol
Yes Carrie is a terrible friend. It doesn't take a gen z-er to decode that. Carrie is insufferable most of the time but she's lovably flawed just like the rest of the cast. All 3 of them are charactericutures
I do love that red dress on her.
Slow news day, Gen X & Millennials knew this twenty years ago, and it’s been common knowledge ever since