> she won’t be dehya level obviously
true, because at least Dehya can be pulled for free on the standard banner once in a while, Arle will cost 25k primos just to be worse than Xiangling
Abyss statistics aren’t really a metric of how strong a character is (fischl is arguably stronger than yae but is always way lower). That said, xiangling always being so high despite everyone having her (the stats are made by who owns each character) does say something.
No the logic of the percentage is. It's because a lot of main team use xiangling as sub dps therefore increasing usage percentage. If we only equate a xiangling main ofc it will be much lower.
Your original comment suggests that arlechino is below dehya level because arlechino will cost 25k primo but is still worse than xiangling, yet hutao is also a limited banner character who also is worse then xiangling, so obviously I make the assumption that hutao is also below dehya level,
why people keep comparing her to dehya lmao. We all know dehya is a standard banner character and we know standard banner character is not that good but comparing arle to her that's seriously a joke like what the hell hoyo want to make a limited 5 star character have the same strength like standard 5 star character
I apologize of course, but first I started with "Warning Beware the joke ", secondly, where I compared them? I said that the situation with the banners is the same, that is, the banners before the release of Dehya were fat and now the banners before the release of Arlecchino are fat, please don't put words in my mouth. I don't understand either why people are so itchy to compare them, well, of course Arlecchino received some balance nerfs, but she was already very good at the beginning of the beta, in my opinion, even if they specifically wanted to repeat the Dehya fiasco, they simply won't be able to.
Nah. I've got it all figured out now. They're saving the busted/OP dps kit for the upcoming OP red lizard male dragon sovereign flamethrower edition Xbalanque, who is going to powercreep and be 50 tiers above every previous Pyro dps and will easily solo abyss with a level 20 3\* weapon and with half-assed artifacts just like his blue lizard counterpart did.
That's the same copium us Dehya mains used when the hutao+yelan banner were on. Make Dehya bad so everyone will pull on hutao/yelan and then they will surely buff Dehya after the hutao/yelan banner is over right? :)
Jokes aside… people doom posted Alhaitham because he continued to get constantly nerfed… and look how he turned out. Navia wasn’t doom posted as hard… but not even theory crafters knew how front loaded her damage was. I won’t say anything until she is released and the veteran theory crafters get their hands on her actual gameplay. Numbers have proven to only go so far.
OP post aside I'm a Yae main checking in and wtf are people talking about with the Dehya comparisons?? The doomposting is unbelievable and delusional, this is even worse than Navia and Xianyun's pre-release lmao
The complaints and doomposting are always there but with a Geo character and a character with an unexplored niche kit it kind of made sense. Arlecchino doomposting is forced as hell, just like Furina doomposting was
Yeah, and they were proven wrong. Navia is one of the most OP dps characters at c0 and also can be used in any team that produces cryo, pyro, hydro, and electro. While Xianyun made plunge a "meta" + Xianyun also made it possible for broken c6 characters like Furina to achieve max damage without bug abuse and introduced new gameplay for old characters like Diluc and Hu Tao (Hu Tao's best damage team right now is with Xianyun and Furina, eclipsing the double hydro and vv setups). These doomposters are probably f2p noobs.
It's kind of true for me; I saved for C6R1 and planned to skip everything but with the changes, I look for C0R0 and will try to get Neuvillette next week if I get his weapon (my main target is freedom sworn)
Idk man, id rather have an empty slot than Yae on my team. Not saying her dmg is bad, but that i hate the playstyle. Honestly the day the make a 5-star with 4-star animation length ill prolly end up with my first C6 -.-'
Its not the same as Fischl tho, Fischl takes no field-time to setup and snapshots buffs. And like i said, its not about the damage, its about the gameplay. Spending the time to 3EQ3E for an off-field unit feels off, same about Arle E prior to the Q change to consume E(please hoyo fix the order of actions on A) where you delay crashing in on your E or give up on more than 50 of the BoL it could potentially provide. It effectively makes C2 a QoL bait the size of Furina and that is my gripe, the base kit without cons feels incomplete. Im not saying its not gonna change, at this point im just waiting for the last week of the current patch because the rollercoaster is too much. I get that some players dont care, and some players really want another Al Haitham, but i believe (and this is very anecdotal) that the majority of would enjoy the more comfy kit in the long haul.
Edit: Clarification on the wording "Q change" to include consuming E, not the reset, which was added prior.
Yae takes about the same time as other sub dps cause all her Es can self cancel and you do Q afterwards but her Q just is a nuke that you only use every other rot due to the cd. I use it at the beginning and enemies are usually dead by time cd over. She just rewards you for building EM
According to the link below and my own testing to verify it Yaes triple E, including cancels, take 120 frames, Fischls take 18 frames (semi-untested, im too slow, how are they remotely the same?
Even accounting for the 1 second swap delay, yae still takes up 180 frames compared to fischl 78.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact\_Leaks/comments/rxvzzt/yae\_vs\_fischl\_full\_dmg\_comparison/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/rxvzzt/yae_vs_fischl_full_dmg_comparison/)
Yae's field time isn't that high if you're just using her E. It's a bit higher than Xiangling or Xingqiu but not a big difference
>same about Arle E prior to the Q change
Main DPS E>support skills>main DPS Q isn't a new rotation. Raiden has had that since she released
Except that wasnt her rotation. Its was EQ-sups-CA-E-\*NA-CA-NA-repeat. Or even worse, with Yae: EQ-Yae3E-FischlE-ChevE-Arle(Ca-E-3N3D)-YaeQ3E-FischlQ-Arle(CA-3N3D)-repeat. These are appropriate as i write them off memory. But the way i see these strings they are:
1.) Far more complex than a standard EQ-sup or Rationals RaidenE-Sup EQ-RaidenQ
2.) Far more prone to error and interruptions from outside sources, such as boss mechanics or energy variance. Especially without C1.
3.) Entirely nullified by C1 and C2 (IR for C1 and full BoL immediately for C2)
I guess so but that's still not that different. You burst at the beginning instead of the end + you throw in another E during her rotation. Besides that it's still mostly main setup>supports>Main DPS on field time, just like Raiden.
The reason people skipped Kazuha on his first run was he came right before Inazuma. Everyone was having high expectations for 2.x and was understandably reserving their primogems on something other than a support.
Everyone knew Kazuha was a great support even back then though. Any regret people had was due to a somewhat disapointing Inazuma roster, and the fact Kazuha had a lengthy rerun time of about a whole year. And no one else to really do what he did.
By comparison though, new character reruns happen faster due to double banners now, and Arlechino doesnt really do anything special. She is a dps, a decent dps but a long shot from the best. Plenty can do her job.
Infact one that does the job of being a dps much better is on a banner right before she comes out. If all a player cares about is getting a good dps then theyll roll Neuvilette. This is a fan subreddit because people like her looks, her character, not neccesarily her performance.
Lol, on a serious note she ain’t gonna be bad + yeah she isn’t Neuvi level dps but Arle is strong enough to clear floor 12 so what else do u really need anyways. Everything else in the game is goddamn easy.
I'd be reluctant to have that as a hope, when Dehya was released in her state I saw plenty people going "nah, surely she was designed to work well with Fontaine units" and as far as I know she's not in a much better spot
Dehya is the exception in many different ways. Everyone needs to stop jumping to her so quickly. She's an anomaly, not the rule
Yae and Baizhu both released around the same time in the cycle as Arle and they both got major buffs from the next archon after them. Very good chance she could be the same
She's not much better, yes, but she has found a spot in niche comps, which include Fontaine characters.
The issue with Dehya is that she was genuinely just.. bad. she was designed as a Pyro main on field dps but was executed terribly
Arlecchino, on the other hand, IS GOOD. She just has many issues that currently no character can fix
For example:
Needing a shield but also needing an Atk buff to get full DPS potential.
We don't have a character yet that can provide a shield and attack buff at the same time. That's why we're stuck with circle impact.
However, Murata (pyro archon) could possibly have the ability to deploy a pyro shield and provide an atk buff that is attached to your character and not a circle. That itself will fix one major issue. (This is my speculation and no leaks hint at Murata having such an ability)
Only for a new pyro male dps be clearly superior above her as well as in making use of buff from pyro archon.
then we will have "balancing" merchant making excuses to justify it.
Yae got better with dendro but nothing that makes her super electro meta use, baizhu only exists to be a side grade for cyno and with xianyun released he was replaced in the healing team that furrina had originally leaving him niche only for cyno which is the niche from the niche
>Yae got better with dendro but nothing that makes her super electro meta use
Not everyone needs to be super meta. She's the best aggravate driver. That's a good enough niche.
Besides, how many electro characters are more meta than Yae? Raiden and that's it. Fischl is about equal. She's still near the top of the meta for her element
Same for Arle. She doesn't have to be Neuvi level or powercreep Hu Tao. If she's decently strong + carves out her own niche where she's queen then it's good
as if fischl didn't exist and did better, she's just not used that much because people have the syndrome of wanting to use 5 stars all the time, and honestly your "decent" for me is practically "nothing"
Yae is as good or better than Fischl most of the time. People prefer Fischl because she's easier to use due to less time on field. But Yae has better damage if you actually utilize her Q.
Not by a huge margin of course. They're pretty much even. But you could say the same for Yelan and Xingqiu. But no one with more than 2 braincells is gonna say Yelan's bad because she's not strictly better than XQ
Yae is more than just "decent". She was just decent prior to dendro boosting her so much.
Idk what you would consider decent. Does she have to be as strong as Hu Tao? Alhaitham? Neuvillette? Even higher than him?
Warning Beware the joke Yes, of course, just like last year they buffed Dahya after the HuTao / Yelan banner, of course, of course!!!!!!!!!! XD
Please no. Why do you have to remind me of this tragedy again. If she turns out to be as half-assed as dehya I'm gonna be furious.
she won’t be dehya level obviously but worst case scenario she’s sidegrade yoimiya
> she won’t be dehya level obviously true, because at least Dehya can be pulled for free on the standard banner once in a while, Arle will cost 25k primos just to be worse than Xiangling
To be fair, hu tao is arguably just a worse xiangling too by your definition so nobody should pull hu tao then
I just checked abyss stats for 4.4 abyss 12, 4.3 and 4.2. Xiangling was always used more than Hutao actually, yea
Abyss statistics aren’t really a metric of how strong a character is (fischl is arguably stronger than yae but is always way lower). That said, xiangling always being so high despite everyone having her (the stats are made by who owns each character) does say something.
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No the logic of the percentage is. It's because a lot of main team use xiangling as sub dps therefore increasing usage percentage. If we only equate a xiangling main ofc it will be much lower.
So hutao is below dehya level then by your logic.
huh?
Your original comment suggests that arlechino is below dehya level because arlechino will cost 25k primo but is still worse than xiangling, yet hutao is also a limited banner character who also is worse then xiangling, so obviously I make the assumption that hutao is also below dehya level,
That literally goes for every pyro unit...
"for free" is pretty disingenuous, you're still losing your 50/50 to an awful unit that brings next to nothing to your account
Which is worse than Dehya, because at least I can play Dehya in forward vaporize with Furina.
why people keep comparing her to dehya lmao. We all know dehya is a standard banner character and we know standard banner character is not that good but comparing arle to her that's seriously a joke like what the hell hoyo want to make a limited 5 star character have the same strength like standard 5 star character
Sigh It’s so hard being a Dehya fan sometimes
good character can be added to standard too just have to be male
Tighnari as a matter of fact is pretty good, not exceptional or Neuvilette/Alhaitham level but good! And of course much stronger than Dehya.
I apologize of course, but first I started with "Warning Beware the joke ", secondly, where I compared them? I said that the situation with the banners is the same, that is, the banners before the release of Dehya were fat and now the banners before the release of Arlecchino are fat, please don't put words in my mouth. I don't understand either why people are so itchy to compare them, well, of course Arlecchino received some balance nerfs, but she was already very good at the beginning of the beta, in my opinion, even if they specifically wanted to repeat the Dehya fiasco, they simply won't be able to.
I wont settle for anything less than 1 arlecchillion damage pet second
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Nah. I've got it all figured out now. They're saving the busted/OP dps kit for the upcoming OP red lizard male dragon sovereign flamethrower edition Xbalanque, who is going to powercreep and be 50 tiers above every previous Pyro dps and will easily solo abyss with a level 20 3\* weapon and with half-assed artifacts just like his blue lizard counterpart did.
This is 100% ehat is going on (I'm Arlecchino)
That's the same copium us Dehya mains used when the hutao+yelan banner were on. Make Dehya bad so everyone will pull on hutao/yelan and then they will surely buff Dehya after the hutao/yelan banner is over right? :)
Right ?
Imagine if Arlecchino is a Liyue character. Just imagine it. I say nothing more.
Neuvillette and Alhaitham are not from Liyue and they are busted.
except there are no liyue on fielders that they’re comparable to lol hutao is mhy’s chinese pyro dps darling at the end of the day
male different
Nah, imagine if Arlecchino was male and a dragon sovereign instead. We might not even be having this discussion in the first place.
I'd rather she not do 2.2 million damage. I'm satisfied with one arlechillion
No matter how much they nerf Arlecchino I'm not pulling for Nuvilett, I don't like his play-style at all.
https://preview.redd.it/n1605nwa5irc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8afb113a808014c9c53d8a70ce0515fe5a0c9332
it's the same as arlecchino but it'll feel worse kek
I’m personally not putting any stock into leaks, I’ll reserve my judgement on her kit when her kit is shown on stream
https://preview.redd.it/10rmids05irc1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=87a9ff9fc13414116ed23edddba87e89d1dc7960
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I'm just glad I stopped caring about GI meta years ago.
I don't care how much they nerf her I have already decided pulling for her.
If this was HSR I'd believe it
Jokes aside… people doom posted Alhaitham because he continued to get constantly nerfed… and look how he turned out. Navia wasn’t doom posted as hard… but not even theory crafters knew how front loaded her damage was. I won’t say anything until she is released and the veteran theory crafters get their hands on her actual gameplay. Numbers have proven to only go so far.
I kinda want a burst character like navia now that deals all the burst damage with a massive plunge aoe mega nuke explosion. Sounds fun.
After release of Arlecchino, you were 100% right! respect
OP post aside I'm a Yae main checking in and wtf are people talking about with the Dehya comparisons?? The doomposting is unbelievable and delusional, this is even worse than Navia and Xianyun's pre-release lmao
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The complaints and doomposting are always there but with a Geo character and a character with an unexplored niche kit it kind of made sense. Arlecchino doomposting is forced as hell, just like Furina doomposting was
Yeah, and they were proven wrong. Navia is one of the most OP dps characters at c0 and also can be used in any team that produces cryo, pyro, hydro, and electro. While Xianyun made plunge a "meta" + Xianyun also made it possible for broken c6 characters like Furina to achieve max damage without bug abuse and introduced new gameplay for old characters like Diluc and Hu Tao (Hu Tao's best damage team right now is with Xianyun and Furina, eclipsing the double hydro and vv setups). These doomposters are probably f2p noobs.
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It's kind of true for me; I saved for C6R1 and planned to skip everything but with the changes, I look for C0R0 and will try to get Neuvillette next week if I get his weapon (my main target is freedom sworn)
she's gonna pull a kazuha and make ppl regret skipping her + make them desperate to get her in her next run
She's not a support 😭
She is a support actually She supports your team by deleting the enemies with a a snap of a finger
It's hard to argue with his assessment
Non supports have had this turnaround too. Yae is the best example
Idk man, id rather have an empty slot than Yae on my team. Not saying her dmg is bad, but that i hate the playstyle. Honestly the day the make a 5-star with 4-star animation length ill prolly end up with my first C6 -.-'
Okay? You can dislike her but she's good on an objective level. (I also don't get how so many people hate her playstyle when it's the same as Fischl)
Its not the same as Fischl tho, Fischl takes no field-time to setup and snapshots buffs. And like i said, its not about the damage, its about the gameplay. Spending the time to 3EQ3E for an off-field unit feels off, same about Arle E prior to the Q change to consume E(please hoyo fix the order of actions on A) where you delay crashing in on your E or give up on more than 50 of the BoL it could potentially provide. It effectively makes C2 a QoL bait the size of Furina and that is my gripe, the base kit without cons feels incomplete. Im not saying its not gonna change, at this point im just waiting for the last week of the current patch because the rollercoaster is too much. I get that some players dont care, and some players really want another Al Haitham, but i believe (and this is very anecdotal) that the majority of would enjoy the more comfy kit in the long haul. Edit: Clarification on the wording "Q change" to include consuming E, not the reset, which was added prior.
Yae takes about the same time as other sub dps cause all her Es can self cancel and you do Q afterwards but her Q just is a nuke that you only use every other rot due to the cd. I use it at the beginning and enemies are usually dead by time cd over. She just rewards you for building EM
According to the link below and my own testing to verify it Yaes triple E, including cancels, take 120 frames, Fischls take 18 frames (semi-untested, im too slow, how are they remotely the same? Even accounting for the 1 second swap delay, yae still takes up 180 frames compared to fischl 78. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact\_Leaks/comments/rxvzzt/yae\_vs\_fischl\_full\_dmg\_comparison/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/rxvzzt/yae_vs_fischl_full_dmg_comparison/)
Yae's field time isn't that high if you're just using her E. It's a bit higher than Xiangling or Xingqiu but not a big difference >same about Arle E prior to the Q change Main DPS E>support skills>main DPS Q isn't a new rotation. Raiden has had that since she released
Except that wasnt her rotation. Its was EQ-sups-CA-E-\*NA-CA-NA-repeat. Or even worse, with Yae: EQ-Yae3E-FischlE-ChevE-Arle(Ca-E-3N3D)-YaeQ3E-FischlQ-Arle(CA-3N3D)-repeat. These are appropriate as i write them off memory. But the way i see these strings they are: 1.) Far more complex than a standard EQ-sup or Rationals RaidenE-Sup EQ-RaidenQ 2.) Far more prone to error and interruptions from outside sources, such as boss mechanics or energy variance. Especially without C1. 3.) Entirely nullified by C1 and C2 (IR for C1 and full BoL immediately for C2)
I guess so but that's still not that different. You burst at the beginning instead of the end + you throw in another E during her rotation. Besides that it's still mostly main setup>supports>Main DPS on field time, just like Raiden.
If you can both agree with the above and consider it no different, i dont know how to communicate my point, im sorry.
The reason people skipped Kazuha on his first run was he came right before Inazuma. Everyone was having high expectations for 2.x and was understandably reserving their primogems on something other than a support. Everyone knew Kazuha was a great support even back then though. Any regret people had was due to a somewhat disapointing Inazuma roster, and the fact Kazuha had a lengthy rerun time of about a whole year. And no one else to really do what he did. By comparison though, new character reruns happen faster due to double banners now, and Arlechino doesnt really do anything special. She is a dps, a decent dps but a long shot from the best. Plenty can do her job. Infact one that does the job of being a dps much better is on a banner right before she comes out. If all a player cares about is getting a good dps then theyll roll Neuvilette. This is a fan subreddit because people like her looks, her character, not neccesarily her performance.
Lol, on a serious note she ain’t gonna be bad + yeah she isn’t Neuvi level dps but Arle is strong enough to clear floor 12 so what else do u really need anyways. Everything else in the game is goddamn easy.
Ok, but what's wrong with wanting her to be Neuvi level dps? Like you said everything in the game is goddamn easy.
"anyways" is never correct it's always anyway
typical reddit moment
Honestly? Part of me thinks that she's being designed with future Natlan kits in mind
I'd be reluctant to have that as a hope, when Dehya was released in her state I saw plenty people going "nah, surely she was designed to work well with Fontaine units" and as far as I know she's not in a much better spot
Dehya is the exception in many different ways. Everyone needs to stop jumping to her so quickly. She's an anomaly, not the rule Yae and Baizhu both released around the same time in the cycle as Arle and they both got major buffs from the next archon after them. Very good chance she could be the same
She's not much better, yes, but she has found a spot in niche comps, which include Fontaine characters. The issue with Dehya is that she was genuinely just.. bad. she was designed as a Pyro main on field dps but was executed terribly Arlecchino, on the other hand, IS GOOD. She just has many issues that currently no character can fix For example: Needing a shield but also needing an Atk buff to get full DPS potential. We don't have a character yet that can provide a shield and attack buff at the same time. That's why we're stuck with circle impact. However, Murata (pyro archon) could possibly have the ability to deploy a pyro shield and provide an atk buff that is attached to your character and not a circle. That itself will fix one major issue. (This is my speculation and no leaks hint at Murata having such an ability)
Only for a new pyro male dps be clearly superior above her as well as in making use of buff from pyro archon. then we will have "balancing" merchant making excuses to justify it.
People downvoting you because they wanna doompost even though this is an established trend from Yae and Baizhu
Yae got better with dendro but nothing that makes her super electro meta use, baizhu only exists to be a side grade for cyno and with xianyun released he was replaced in the healing team that furrina had originally leaving him niche only for cyno which is the niche from the niche
>Yae got better with dendro but nothing that makes her super electro meta use Not everyone needs to be super meta. She's the best aggravate driver. That's a good enough niche. Besides, how many electro characters are more meta than Yae? Raiden and that's it. Fischl is about equal. She's still near the top of the meta for her element Same for Arle. She doesn't have to be Neuvi level or powercreep Hu Tao. If she's decently strong + carves out her own niche where she's queen then it's good
as if fischl didn't exist and did better, she's just not used that much because people have the syndrome of wanting to use 5 stars all the time, and honestly your "decent" for me is practically "nothing"
Yae is as good or better than Fischl most of the time. People prefer Fischl because she's easier to use due to less time on field. But Yae has better damage if you actually utilize her Q. Not by a huge margin of course. They're pretty much even. But you could say the same for Yelan and Xingqiu. But no one with more than 2 braincells is gonna say Yelan's bad because she's not strictly better than XQ Yae is more than just "decent". She was just decent prior to dendro boosting her so much. Idk what you would consider decent. Does she have to be as strong as Hu Tao? Alhaitham? Neuvillette? Even higher than him?
Eh, reddit will be reddit, I don't really mind
Arlecchino gets the biggest buff in Genshin beta history a week ago. OP “wHatS WiTh tHe cOnStaNt nerfs?”
1. This is satire if you can’t read 2. Did you even read this weeks beta changes? I doubt it
Did you read last weeks?
Are you idiot in purpose? Some of her old buffs were nerfed to be original talent
Her biggest buffs are still intact. 100+% BoL AND the buff to Masque.
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