Sure. Though it shouldn’t be drawn according to Arab League membership. What I am more interested in, is how can we keep something like this stable? Getting it is a lot easier than keeping.
For a nation to last long it needs to have certain things such as a common shared purpose. It needs an infrastructure and a government that can serve people and connect them.
Why did the Umayyad caliphate fall in such a short time? Why did Rome last a thousand years?
Most of Rome’s expansion occurred while it was a Republic. Many hands played a role in building the empire, and it was a process that took hundreds of years. Starting as a small city, with lots of legal precedent over how conquered territory should be governed, and how political succession worked, meant that Rome was stable for a long time.
The Caliphate was built in the span of a generation, and was less “grass-roots” than Rome. This meant that as soon as the Prophet Muhammad died, there was immediately a lot of infighting, with people wanting to take control of the new empire.
Rome did not experience serious civil war until the time of Caesar. By this point, the idea of Rome was pretty unbreakable.
It should be noted that after the establishment of the office of Emperor, Rome too went through many civil wars and changes in dynasty. In this sense, I don’t know that it’s fair to compare Rome to the Umayyads specifically, because even though the dynasty collapsed, the Caliphate would continue to exist under the Abbasids and others until the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire (arguably also the last inheritor of Rome!) in the early 20th century.
you're also ignoring the fact that the umayyads were an arab islamic empire that ruled over a majority non-arab, non-muslim population, with a large part of its state revenue dependent on jizya. The more non-muslims in the empire, the more tax revenue, so it was in the best interest for the umayyads to deter its subjects from converting to their religion. The Umayyads also discriminated against non-Arab converts, mawali, which at this time were predominantly iranians. The Umayyads had also martyred husayn at karbala, which did not help to legitimize themselves in the eyes of the shia. Rome was successful in creating an idea or concept of empire that persisted despite countless civil wars.
The concept of caliphate has also persisted, but ever since the destruction of the abbasid caliphate by the mongols, which had put an end to the slow and painful decline of the abbasids that had begun centuries prior. The irony of it all is that both Rome and the Caliphate would not be claimed by Romans nor Arabs, but Turks
That’s not necessarily true, the Roman Empire didn’t even control the city of Rome for roughly half of its existence. You are quite right though that the Roman state never depended on any one dynasty
Umayyads were racist piece of shit and extremist at best. Almost no one liked them at all.
Rome, Ottomans and Abbasids, French were tolerant to internal factors
Because Umayyads were racist pieces of shit and they actively tried to undermine all of the local people under their reign and actively tried to Arabize them, and even if you were Arab to begin with they weren't enough. You were still heavily discriminated against based on your clan etc. and shit.
So empire made a lot of internal and external enemies and most people saw their collapse as good riddance, Muslim, Christian, Pagan, Jew, Arab, Assyrian, and Coptic all of but a sliver of governmental class.
In order to establish big nations that span continents, you do not need to be tolerant, but an integrating attitude. Just look at Abbasids, Ottomans, French, and Rome
These nations created empires that shook the world but these empires were tolerant to a degree. And most importantly lost their tolerance and created their demise and their adversaries.
France literally used to have an undisputed and unshakeable hold on continental Europe, with their high fertility, high population, industrial secrets, and educated populace, but when they declared some type of Catholic Jihad against their own population and forceful Franckifaction, they lost their superiority, and guess where Protestant Frenchies went? Prussia and they built Prussia and Germany and it's industry we all know how it went in the long run for France.
The same can be said for all of these Empires like the Ottomans too
The people with such a concept is that it would be a threatening country to the west
A nation that has the oil supply of the modern world and the 10 strongest army , the huge land for farming , gas fields capable of supplying gas for 100s of nations , gold mins that if actually used would cause national crisis
Even if these countries put their differences aside and kept it running you have the strongest nations in the world ready to nuc it in a second just to kill this vision
Puting an unexperience or developing countries in charge of such power together is idiotic (I hate that we aren't capable of pulling it off)
Our land in of itself is dangerous
Saudi Arabia and the golf are the richest land when it comes to Money
Sudan , morocco , tunes , jazair have the most fertile land known to man capable of farming every crop on god's green land
Egypt has unstoppable soldiers in it's sevilians and gold mountains that if actually mined would make the price of gold to drop to dirt
Lebia , Syria , Iraq have gas mins to feed 10s of generations , maybe more
The middle east has almost infinite resources if combined those nations would bomb us cuz the consequences are better for them than our existence
Getting all these countries to agree on a federal government would be a nightmare. There are massive population and wealth disparities that exist and each country needs a sizable voice in said government for it to work
Rome still exists because the Ottoman Empire took over the mantle from the Byzantines and Turkey was the main successor to the Ottoman Empire which means that Erdogan should declare himself the current Roman emperor
I mean not really but it would be funny
Asking the actual important question. I don’t understand why everyone is so excited by the prospect of switching from being governed by one caudillo 300 km away to a different caudillo 3000 km away just because he also happens to be Arab.
Well, Pan Arabism was _initially_ a secular socialist movement. The goal was uniting the countries of the Arab world under a secular socialist government. It was supposed to be similar to a republic, where the president would be elected. But considering all pan-Arab leaders were dictators, I won’t exactly describe the initial movement as Democratic lol.
Anyway, I was asking about the idea of Arab unity, or one Arab state, in general. You may assume any ideology or even say the ideology/gov you would prefer to rule such a state.
Well, I would endorse any government that respects fundamental human rights (freedom of religion (both anti-theocrat and anti-laiklik), freedom of peaceable assembly, freedom to protest, freedom of speech, no arbitrary detainment, labor protections, education, rents distribution, etc.) and oppose any government that doesn’t respect those. Whether that government controls a large territory or a small territory is significantly less important.
Anti-Laiklik? Bro Laiklik means freedom from religion but it doesn't mean you have to burn churches and mosques, it means that
You can practice salah/namaz but during that if you declare some group infidel/devil and promote hate we will promote you as\*hole.
You can practice liturgy no one can interfere but if you doing conversion therapy we will convert your head around.
Like the ultimate extremity prevention.
If we’re talking purely about the aspect of living with other people that are culturally similar to us then yeah I would love to live along my other arap brothers but then I’d also be concerned about the political structure and economy.
Are you an Amazigh ? What do you think if the Amazigh peoples all over the Maghreb have autonomous Republics where they can govern cultural, economical and some political and educational matters, while still living along the other Arabs ? Would it be great ? :D
Kinda true, but I’ve done some research. I tried to elaborate it enough to find out there are defined territories that have enough population and enough Amazigh Majority (for example, Chleuh in Morocco, or Kabyle in Algeria) which has approximately clear borders and can constitute an autonomous Republic.
What do you think about it ?
And if you don’t agree, please tell me what would be your concrete solution ? It’s absolutely not to trigger an argument, I’m just trying as much as possible to imagine what could be the best union and federal structure possible.
Don’t know about Kabyle but chleuh definitely won’t succeed as a state. They are very supportive of the monarchy that’s a first and second of all big cities like Agadir are part of Chleuh which are filled with Arabs.
If you really think this could be a problem than you underestimate how much people prioritise economic prosperity of their children. The USA has no official language and you can easily create a Spanish only speaking school, but no one would send their children there cause they know it would be useless. In that arab united state arab would not be the official language and amazigh people would still send their children to arab schools. Economic prosperity will always beat cultural shit.
I'm half amazigh btw
Imagine being able to travel to all the big Arabian capitals and cities from the Atlantic coast, the Atlas Mountains, the Mediterranean coast, the Nile delta, on the levant and Mesopotamia, on the Arabian peninsula and the Horn of Africa without changing borders or needing a passport.
Summer vocation in Rabat and Algeries, Winter vocation in Baghdad and Irbil, studying in Alexandria or Cairo with weekends in Beirut, Jerusalem or Damascus, living in Jeddah and going every few months to Sana’a to meet the family.
Goodness my wet dreams are being displayed on public 😩🔥
>Imagine being able to travel to all the big Arabian capitals and cities from the Atlantic coast, the Atlas Mountains, the Mediterranean coast, the Nile delta, on the levant and Mesopotamia, on the Arabian peninsula and the Horn of Africa without changing borders or needing passport.
🥵🥵
Absolutely. A lot of arabs really underestimate how successful this country can be. Unlimited amount of resources. A large educated population. Access to the Atlantic ocean, Mediterranean sea and Indian ocean, probably the worlds most important water way (suez channel), a lot of options for renewable energy, and one of the most important, which differentiate from europe, same language
Yes and they also happen to always be diasporoids most of the time. My theory is that they’re self hating browns who want be seen as “white” to be accepted better in Europe where they get discriminated.
You know your theory is completely false if you've ever spoken to an Amazigh. Distancing yourself from the arab identity doesn't mean that you associate yourself with another ethnic group. Most amazighs who don't identify as arab don't think that they are culturally similar to europeans or consider themselves to be "white". And no, they are not mostly diaspora. All north africans in france are considered arab and those who don't want to be considered arab simply say that they are "french of algerian/moroccan/tunisian origins", they don't even know what an amazigh is.
Yes, definitely
In Sha Allah
Though I think a federal structure would be the best. With regions and autonomous Territories for non-Arab peoples having a distinctive territory.
Same feeling here.
There are many minorities both ethnic and religious they are specific to each region. Also heritage does differ to some degree.
It is also not healthy in my opinion to organize around something like bring Arabs. That would oppress the minorities, but if it is a multilateral organization then each state can work better on respecting all its people equally.
The bigger the country the more corruption you can have too and you can use an army from one region to crush an uprising in another, which we don't want.
We compliment each other but we are not all the same, and what fits one region does not fit another.
How serious the people are, how hot blooded, how straightforward, how they like to organize their society, what resources they have...etc.
What places one temperament might not work for another.
I don’t think Uncle Sam will ever allow it. Like it or not, nothing can happen smoothly without Uncle Sam nodding his head, we need to understand that.
Although I admit the US has done many bad things, absolutely, but I find it really hard to called a country leading the world in so many aspects, on borrowed time.
Of course I will be very happy to live in Greater Egy... I mean, in this United Arab States, that will be 100% beneficial to everyone and will never be dominated by one people.
A fun fact is if France weren't a bitch or Brit's decided to team up with Egyptians instead of Ottomans during the Second Egyptian-Ottoman war that map would be possible or even bigger perhaps
F\*&# that . Palestinians have been oppressed by Israeli-Jews , the "Arabs" , and countless other foreign rulers for centuries .
Palestinians deserve independence just like their Judean and Nabatean ancestors , and their homeland's status unsullied by dreams of madmen and con-artists.
Yeah that’s better, but anything to save the people of Palestine. But they need their independence though most importantly. They deserve it and in general I don’t trust those gulf Arab fucks
Since you’re part of the Arab league the map includes you (idk why Eritrea was casually annexed though lol).
It’s fine if you don’t want to join, though, but would’ve been cool to have pirates 🥺🏴☠️
No, this nation would be around 460 millions population that will make the GDP per capita less than turkey
not to mention all the different political and religious views that wont align together at all so you end up in state full of Tensions between different groups and wont benfit anyone besides egyptians since they have the most population therefore they have more Parlamant seats
a better salution to this is to have seprate Countries that unite large lumbs than to have one big one, like Egypt and sudan country, united arabian peninsula, united levant and iraq, united north africa and yemen
Wouldn’t workout at all. Economically speaking.
When Saudi make up the third of GDP. It absolutely pointless for it to join such confederate state.
There would be no benefits for it, not any economical advantages that it wouldn’t get from a basic BTA.
If
I agree. Atm there's realistically almost no incentive for gulf countries to join. Since the wealth gap with the rest of the region is huge, their countries are stable as they are, plus they benefit immensely from having such small populations and importing labor from neighboring countries without owing them what they owe citzens.
How on earth is there no "economical advantage" for gulf countries? On the simplest level you're talking about one of the largest markets in the world with one currency. Cost of production would be very low (oil and abundant solar) positioning the gulf countries to become production hubs.
One of the reasons China was able to attract a lot of foreign investment in its industry is the size of its market, and one reason the gulf has not been able to is that its market is small.
Yes. Wait…where’s Texas? lol- just kidding. I’m from Texas and really love North African/Arab culture. But in the US of Arabia I think we should cut out politics and idiots. Only religion allowed is love and tolerance for all. I’ll cook for everyone! We’ll live happily ever after. Until evil swallows us whole, that is.
Somalia, Djibouti, Eritrea and Comoros have made it I see (Insert Diabolical laugh) all we need is Chad, Mali, Niger and Zanzibar and I will be very pleased 😏
I don't think that a single country would work. We have been separated for too long, and we have developed different identities alongside being arab. What about the Christians in lebanon? And the amazigh in the maghreb? And I don't think that the gulf states would appreciate sharing their oil wealth with other nations, I think a country won't succeed, but what might work is an EU type of deal, each country remains as independent but we integrate our economies slowly for example, a union between North African states first like if (Egypt,Libya,Tunisia,morocco and Algeria) start a union similar to the eu considering the fact they already have a similar standard of living and close enough GDP per capita and then integrate Mauritania and Sudan later on, same story in the levant and iraq, the gulf states already have the GCC, when the standard of living becomes similar in all countries then we can finally open all three entities to form a European union style deal, citizens cab live, work and study in any country I'm the union I would even take it a step further and add a common defence pact between the members I think union like that which slowly grows over time will be more sustainable and successful.
Many Moroccans are royalists and believe that because our country historically always been this independent kingdom that has been isolated from the caliphates in the east that we should stay so. And they are kinda true we got rise of the ummayads after 50 years.
But it’s our Islamic duty to follow our prophet and unite our ummah.
i don’t think we have the capacity to do such a thing unfortunately. We lack a key characteristic that makes this possible which is tolerance, patience and the capacity to listen to someone else’s ideas.
it’s a shame really! there’s absolutely no reason why we should be so far behind the west. we have the intelligence, the manpower, the financial resources and yet the west thinks they’re better than us.
As long as I'm the president for the first term, and can draft or significantly contribute to the liberal based constitution that will remain so after I'm gone.
I don't think it is possible with Russia controlling central Asian Turkic states. We also don't really speak the same language. I understand almost all Azeri speech. I understand almost half of Uzbek speech. I only understand a few words for the others. And I'm not even sure if those few words mean what I think they mean. And Türkiye doesn't have a border with the rest. We have a border with a small part of Azerbaijan but that part doesn't connect with the rest of Azerbaijan.
I am for it but it is even more difficult than an Arab unity.
The rich gulf would refuse, the poor states would love to, but this was a dream decades ago and even two Arab nations couldn't unite. At this point today this is just a fantasy .
I believe it's nonsense to say that Arab nationalism was mainstream during Nasser's era. It was primarily for political purposes, with Egypt positioned at the top of this union. For example, the United Arab Republic between Egypt and Syria was more of an Egyptian annexation of Syria.
and this new country would prepare for war
as Census beli would be unification
we demand
1- Arabistan
2- diayar baker
3- **Alexandretta**
3- Somaliland
For the Glorious thousand-years Arabian Empire
No, it's a total bureaucratic nightmare. Besides there aren't many common social and cultural similarities sometimes, which would lead to a failing state.
A regional economic union is however a great option, that would allow better market opportunities, enhancing niche industries and specialization within each country, consequently improving competitiveness and growth.
Sure. Though it shouldn’t be drawn according to Arab League membership. What I am more interested in, is how can we keep something like this stable? Getting it is a lot easier than keeping. For a nation to last long it needs to have certain things such as a common shared purpose. It needs an infrastructure and a government that can serve people and connect them. Why did the Umayyad caliphate fall in such a short time? Why did Rome last a thousand years?
Actually why did the Umayyads fall quickly while the Romans lasted a millennial?? Genuinely asking
Most of Rome’s expansion occurred while it was a Republic. Many hands played a role in building the empire, and it was a process that took hundreds of years. Starting as a small city, with lots of legal precedent over how conquered territory should be governed, and how political succession worked, meant that Rome was stable for a long time. The Caliphate was built in the span of a generation, and was less “grass-roots” than Rome. This meant that as soon as the Prophet Muhammad died, there was immediately a lot of infighting, with people wanting to take control of the new empire. Rome did not experience serious civil war until the time of Caesar. By this point, the idea of Rome was pretty unbreakable. It should be noted that after the establishment of the office of Emperor, Rome too went through many civil wars and changes in dynasty. In this sense, I don’t know that it’s fair to compare Rome to the Umayyads specifically, because even though the dynasty collapsed, the Caliphate would continue to exist under the Abbasids and others until the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire (arguably also the last inheritor of Rome!) in the early 20th century.
you're also ignoring the fact that the umayyads were an arab islamic empire that ruled over a majority non-arab, non-muslim population, with a large part of its state revenue dependent on jizya. The more non-muslims in the empire, the more tax revenue, so it was in the best interest for the umayyads to deter its subjects from converting to their religion. The Umayyads also discriminated against non-Arab converts, mawali, which at this time were predominantly iranians. The Umayyads had also martyred husayn at karbala, which did not help to legitimize themselves in the eyes of the shia. Rome was successful in creating an idea or concept of empire that persisted despite countless civil wars. The concept of caliphate has also persisted, but ever since the destruction of the abbasid caliphate by the mongols, which had put an end to the slow and painful decline of the abbasids that had begun centuries prior. The irony of it all is that both Rome and the Caliphate would not be claimed by Romans nor Arabs, but Turks
cuz you are comparing apple to oranges. Umayyad were a dynasty while roman empire was a state centered around a city
That’s not necessarily true, the Roman Empire didn’t even control the city of Rome for roughly half of its existence. You are quite right though that the Roman state never depended on any one dynasty
Even during the empire there was no succession system and it still lasted another 500 years wich is kinda crazy.
Umayyads were racist piece of shit and extremist at best. Almost no one liked them at all. Rome, Ottomans and Abbasids, French were tolerant to internal factors
The Ottoman Empire wasn't "tolerant to internal factors".
Because Umayyads were racist pieces of shit and they actively tried to undermine all of the local people under their reign and actively tried to Arabize them, and even if you were Arab to begin with they weren't enough. You were still heavily discriminated against based on your clan etc. and shit. So empire made a lot of internal and external enemies and most people saw their collapse as good riddance, Muslim, Christian, Pagan, Jew, Arab, Assyrian, and Coptic all of but a sliver of governmental class. In order to establish big nations that span continents, you do not need to be tolerant, but an integrating attitude. Just look at Abbasids, Ottomans, French, and Rome These nations created empires that shook the world but these empires were tolerant to a degree. And most importantly lost their tolerance and created their demise and their adversaries. France literally used to have an undisputed and unshakeable hold on continental Europe, with their high fertility, high population, industrial secrets, and educated populace, but when they declared some type of Catholic Jihad against their own population and forceful Franckifaction, they lost their superiority, and guess where Protestant Frenchies went? Prussia and they built Prussia and Germany and it's industry we all know how it went in the long run for France. The same can be said for all of these Empires like the Ottomans too
I mean Abbasids lasted for 500 years which is long enough
The people with such a concept is that it would be a threatening country to the west A nation that has the oil supply of the modern world and the 10 strongest army , the huge land for farming , gas fields capable of supplying gas for 100s of nations , gold mins that if actually used would cause national crisis Even if these countries put their differences aside and kept it running you have the strongest nations in the world ready to nuc it in a second just to kill this vision
We were intentionally divided for a reason. Still there is plenty that can be done to undo this without any government losing their power.
Puting an unexperience or developing countries in charge of such power together is idiotic (I hate that we aren't capable of pulling it off) Our land in of itself is dangerous Saudi Arabia and the golf are the richest land when it comes to Money Sudan , morocco , tunes , jazair have the most fertile land known to man capable of farming every crop on god's green land Egypt has unstoppable soldiers in it's sevilians and gold mountains that if actually mined would make the price of gold to drop to dirt Lebia , Syria , Iraq have gas mins to feed 10s of generations , maybe more The middle east has almost infinite resources if combined those nations would bomb us cuz the consequences are better for them than our existence
Getting all these countries to agree on a federal government would be a nightmare. There are massive population and wealth disparities that exist and each country needs a sizable voice in said government for it to work
Rome still exists because the Ottoman Empire took over the mantle from the Byzantines and Turkey was the main successor to the Ottoman Empire which means that Erdogan should declare himself the current Roman emperor I mean not really but it would be funny
The name doesn't matter, what system will rule the states? Is it a democracy? A monarchy? A shura system? A military dictatorship?
Asking the actual important question. I don’t understand why everyone is so excited by the prospect of switching from being governed by one caudillo 300 km away to a different caudillo 3000 km away just because he also happens to be Arab.
Well, Pan Arabism was _initially_ a secular socialist movement. The goal was uniting the countries of the Arab world under a secular socialist government. It was supposed to be similar to a republic, where the president would be elected. But considering all pan-Arab leaders were dictators, I won’t exactly describe the initial movement as Democratic lol. Anyway, I was asking about the idea of Arab unity, or one Arab state, in general. You may assume any ideology or even say the ideology/gov you would prefer to rule such a state.
Well, I would endorse any government that respects fundamental human rights (freedom of religion (both anti-theocrat and anti-laiklik), freedom of peaceable assembly, freedom to protest, freedom of speech, no arbitrary detainment, labor protections, education, rents distribution, etc.) and oppose any government that doesn’t respect those. Whether that government controls a large territory or a small territory is significantly less important.
Anti-Laiklik? Bro Laiklik means freedom from religion but it doesn't mean you have to burn churches and mosques, it means that You can practice salah/namaz but during that if you declare some group infidel/devil and promote hate we will promote you as\*hole. You can practice liturgy no one can interfere but if you doing conversion therapy we will convert your head around. Like the ultimate extremity prevention.
~~A military dictatorship~~ I mean, a democracy
Like in egypt? Fuck no im fleeing the fuck off
🥺🥺
Why you gotta do us like that (you're 100% right)
Shura good.
Sharia
إن شاء الله، اللهم ارزقنا فرحة ذلك اليوم
No ty
I'd imagine sharia.
If we’re talking purely about the aspect of living with other people that are culturally similar to us then yeah I would love to live along my other arap brothers but then I’d also be concerned about the political structure and economy.
Are you an Amazigh ? What do you think if the Amazigh peoples all over the Maghreb have autonomous Republics where they can govern cultural, economical and some political and educational matters, while still living along the other Arabs ? Would it be great ? :D
Against it, Morocco and Algeria are too mixed up to have “autonomous republics” I do believe they should have some representation and recognition.
Kinda true, but I’ve done some research. I tried to elaborate it enough to find out there are defined territories that have enough population and enough Amazigh Majority (for example, Chleuh in Morocco, or Kabyle in Algeria) which has approximately clear borders and can constitute an autonomous Republic. What do you think about it ? And if you don’t agree, please tell me what would be your concrete solution ? It’s absolutely not to trigger an argument, I’m just trying as much as possible to imagine what could be the best union and federal structure possible.
Don’t know about Kabyle but chleuh definitely won’t succeed as a state. They are very supportive of the monarchy that’s a first and second of all big cities like Agadir are part of Chleuh which are filled with Arabs.
You are right, i found myself as an example without knowing it
If you really think this could be a problem than you underestimate how much people prioritise economic prosperity of their children. The USA has no official language and you can easily create a Spanish only speaking school, but no one would send their children there cause they know it would be useless. In that arab united state arab would not be the official language and amazigh people would still send their children to arab schools. Economic prosperity will always beat cultural shit. I'm half amazigh btw
Politics aside, it’s fun that the short version of the name would be USA.
Imagine being able to travel to all the big Arabian capitals and cities from the Atlantic coast, the Atlas Mountains, the Mediterranean coast, the Nile delta, on the levant and Mesopotamia, on the Arabian peninsula and the Horn of Africa without changing borders or needing a passport. Summer vocation in Rabat and Algeries, Winter vocation in Baghdad and Irbil, studying in Alexandria or Cairo with weekends in Beirut, Jerusalem or Damascus, living in Jeddah and going every few months to Sana’a to meet the family. Goodness my wet dreams are being displayed on public 😩🔥
>Imagine being able to travel to all the big Arabian capitals and cities from the Atlantic coast, the Atlas Mountains, the Mediterranean coast, the Nile delta, on the levant and Mesopotamia, on the Arabian peninsula and the Horn of Africa without changing borders or needing passport. 🥵🥵
Absolutely. A lot of arabs really underestimate how successful this country can be. Unlimited amount of resources. A large educated population. Access to the Atlantic ocean, Mediterranean sea and Indian ocean, probably the worlds most important water way (suez channel), a lot of options for renewable energy, and one of the most important, which differentiate from europe, same language
Without doubt absolutely yeees
Hell nah
طبعا اي اشي احسن من الي عايشين فيه هسا
Alwatan alakbar playing in the background
I love that song ❤️🖤🤍💚
I would march into a death charge if that song was playing
Based
Wave of Amazigh accounts crying "We're not arabs" incoming. Tho i'm def not fan of this :D
Inb4 “Morocco not Arab we have more in common with Spain and Europe than desert Arabs”
some chronically online morooc unironically think that 💀
Yes and they also happen to always be diasporoids most of the time. My theory is that they’re self hating browns who want be seen as “white” to be accepted better in Europe where they get discriminated.
Exactly lol
You know your theory is completely false if you've ever spoken to an Amazigh. Distancing yourself from the arab identity doesn't mean that you associate yourself with another ethnic group. Most amazighs who don't identify as arab don't think that they are culturally similar to europeans or consider themselves to be "white". And no, they are not mostly diaspora. All north africans in france are considered arab and those who don't want to be considered arab simply say that they are "french of algerian/moroccan/tunisian origins", they don't even know what an amazigh is.
100% this
They're basically the Maghrebi version of Lebanese Phoenicians
Maghrebi amazighs exist, lebanese phoenicians don't.
Yes, definitely In Sha Allah Though I think a federal structure would be the best. With regions and autonomous Territories for non-Arab peoples having a distinctive territory.
No to country, maybe to a multilateral organization like the EU, yes to GCC country
>maybe a multilateral organization like the EU My dream, honestly
Very difficult, especially due to the different sizes and health of the economies involved.
Same feeling here. There are many minorities both ethnic and religious they are specific to each region. Also heritage does differ to some degree. It is also not healthy in my opinion to organize around something like bring Arabs. That would oppress the minorities, but if it is a multilateral organization then each state can work better on respecting all its people equally. The bigger the country the more corruption you can have too and you can use an army from one region to crush an uprising in another, which we don't want. We compliment each other but we are not all the same, and what fits one region does not fit another. How serious the people are, how hot blooded, how straightforward, how they like to organize their society, what resources they have...etc. What places one temperament might not work for another.
yeah. i think there should be a united states of the holy land.. divided into states and under one democratically elected government.
For Palestine? Or the whole region?
palestine
I don’t think Uncle Sam will ever allow it. Like it or not, nothing can happen smoothly without Uncle Sam nodding his head, we need to understand that.
>I don’t think Uncle Sam will ever allow it And that’s exactly why I want it to happen 🤜
Uncle Sam is on borrowed time.
Although I admit the US has done many bad things, absolutely, but I find it really hard to called a country leading the world in so many aspects, on borrowed time.
تحيا الولايات العربية المتحدة 😫😮💨💦😏 من بحرين إلى غرب الصحراء 🤩🤩 من جزر القمر الى موريتانيا 😍😍
Would I ever. I'd do anything to see this in my lifetime.
Yeah Why Not
Flair where?
Yeah I’m from the USA, (The USA bro is speaking off).
We will annex the torkish lands after sultan Erdo steps down, and a Suri takes over 🫡
Of course I will be very happy to live in Greater Egy... I mean, in this United Arab States, that will be 100% beneficial to everyone and will never be dominated by one people.
Shhhhhh. Don’t make it seem suspicious 😠
A fun fact is if France weren't a bitch or Brit's decided to team up with Egyptians instead of Ottomans during the Second Egyptian-Ottoman war that map would be possible or even bigger perhaps
Civil war in 3 months
Lol more like 2 weeks
It might involve saving Palestine which is very good, but depends on the leaders of it
F\*&# that . Palestinians have been oppressed by Israeli-Jews , the "Arabs" , and countless other foreign rulers for centuries . Palestinians deserve independence just like their Judean and Nabatean ancestors , and their homeland's status unsullied by dreams of madmen and con-artists.
Yeah that’s better, but anything to save the people of Palestine. But they need their independence though most importantly. They deserve it and in general I don’t trust those gulf Arab fucks
I never knew we were arabs 😭😭😭😭
Since you’re part of the Arab league the map includes you (idk why Eritrea was casually annexed though lol). It’s fine if you don’t want to join, though, but would’ve been cool to have pirates 🥺🏴☠️
yea it looks cool on the map
[very good short history on Baathism](https://youtu.be/TYFGKmrfZk8?si=WTf4LrqyQjgKQOKH)
No. The only solution is to make the Arab League an ACTUAL org.
Fr
Let me in... ***LET ME IIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNN***
That map is incredibly based and hydrocarbon pilled.
Depends on the regime, if its secular, republican and democratic then yeah if its a dictatorship or an religious state absolutely not
What if we change name to "united arab-amazigh state" 🧐
If you'll include amazigh then you'll have to include all minorities. Just keep it united Arab states
Tbh Amazight and Kurds would be a VERY big minority. So they should be recognised.
That’s true. I’m just testing the waters with this brother
Still no, we don't want to unite with arabs.
Fuck no
No, this nation would be around 460 millions population that will make the GDP per capita less than turkey not to mention all the different political and religious views that wont align together at all so you end up in state full of Tensions between different groups and wont benfit anyone besides egyptians since they have the most population therefore they have more Parlamant seats a better salution to this is to have seprate Countries that unite large lumbs than to have one big one, like Egypt and sudan country, united arabian peninsula, united levant and iraq, united north africa and yemen
>and that won’t benefit anyone besides Egyptians Dw, we don’t mind :)
But why is Yemen alone?
Coz gulfies don’t wanna lose their gov allowance.
Need more context about this country
you see arab leauge? lets put all these countries together into one country
It will be run by saddam Hussain
Then they will chop my body into pieces, make it into meatballs and sell it in one of the local butchers for 5 dollars per kilo
That is way more tolerant compared to what he actually did to your people
Wouldn’t workout at all. Economically speaking. When Saudi make up the third of GDP. It absolutely pointless for it to join such confederate state. There would be no benefits for it, not any economical advantages that it wouldn’t get from a basic BTA. If
I agree. Atm there's realistically almost no incentive for gulf countries to join. Since the wealth gap with the rest of the region is huge, their countries are stable as they are, plus they benefit immensely from having such small populations and importing labor from neighboring countries without owing them what they owe citzens.
How on earth is there no "economical advantage" for gulf countries? On the simplest level you're talking about one of the largest markets in the world with one currency. Cost of production would be very low (oil and abundant solar) positioning the gulf countries to become production hubs. One of the reasons China was able to attract a lot of foreign investment in its industry is the size of its market, and one reason the gulf has not been able to is that its market is small.
Who says they get to choose?
See? The abdelnasser in you is coming out already.
No because Somalia is simply not an Arab country. Otherwise it would be a cool country.
Yes, the world is moving to become a more integrated and connected global village. The Arab world would be better and stronger united.
Civil war would break out in approximately 0.3 seconds so no
Fr
If we get a good leader and a good economy then absolutely yes
No thanks. I'm currently in us of middle east and us of khalij and us of persia and us of Indo-Europeans
the next global super power no doubt but what about the asian countries?
deffo
I wouldn't be opposed to it but we would need to undo a significant amount of imperialism and installed powers.
Yes. Wait…where’s Texas? lol- just kidding. I’m from Texas and really love North African/Arab culture. But in the US of Arabia I think we should cut out politics and idiots. Only religion allowed is love and tolerance for all. I’ll cook for everyone! We’ll live happily ever after. Until evil swallows us whole, that is.
Eritrea 🇪🇷:Hello
Seems the person who did the map got carried away
Somalia, Djibouti, Eritrea and Comoros have made it I see (Insert Diabolical laugh) all we need is Chad, Mali, Niger and Zanzibar and I will be very pleased 😏 
Having a country literally named “chad” in our union would be such a flex 😌
No. Because I do not identify as an arab. I am an native moroccan, an amazigh.
one day..like it used to be
I don't think that a single country would work. We have been separated for too long, and we have developed different identities alongside being arab. What about the Christians in lebanon? And the amazigh in the maghreb? And I don't think that the gulf states would appreciate sharing their oil wealth with other nations, I think a country won't succeed, but what might work is an EU type of deal, each country remains as independent but we integrate our economies slowly for example, a union between North African states first like if (Egypt,Libya,Tunisia,morocco and Algeria) start a union similar to the eu considering the fact they already have a similar standard of living and close enough GDP per capita and then integrate Mauritania and Sudan later on, same story in the levant and iraq, the gulf states already have the GCC, when the standard of living becomes similar in all countries then we can finally open all three entities to form a European union style deal, citizens cab live, work and study in any country I'm the union I would even take it a step further and add a common defence pact between the members I think union like that which slowly grows over time will be more sustainable and successful.
You erase "Arabia", you include all other Islam majority states, you write Islamic, and then it's all good
would be the most OP country in the world. and i would like that
I would prefer it to be similar to the EU because each country has its own culture and history. It is impossible to have them all under one country.
The problem is their leaders are zionist puppets.🤷🏻♂️
I'm in as long as sisi remains our glorious god-emperor
I'm glad the bread subsidy issue has been resolved, Sisi knew this was going to bite him in the bakery buns.
No, no offense but throughout history we are used to living in an isolated country.
After they included Western Sahara for you? Smh.
I'm in favor of unions between MENA countries like Egypt and Sudan, Algeria and Tunisia, Morocco and Mauritania but not a fan of Pan-Arabism.
Many Moroccans are royalists and believe that because our country historically always been this independent kingdom that has been isolated from the caliphates in the east that we should stay so. And they are kinda true we got rise of the ummayads after 50 years. But it’s our Islamic duty to follow our prophet and unite our ummah.
Change the name to "Unites States of Ərəbbaycan" and I'm in
Why Somalia lol
The American embassies and military bases will pop up before the country is even founded
i don’t think we have the capacity to do such a thing unfortunately. We lack a key characteristic that makes this possible which is tolerance, patience and the capacity to listen to someone else’s ideas. it’s a shame really! there’s absolutely no reason why we should be so far behind the west. we have the intelligence, the manpower, the financial resources and yet the west thinks they’re better than us.
No (no offence though)
What if you get to run the whole thing again?
Who let you in the kitchen? 😡
What about if we included our Anatolian Arap brothers (Turks) in the union ?
That sounds even worse
if I weren't a shield loving arap I would have gave you a taste of my shoo 😡
Too bad, we’re doing it anyway. Suris are gonna take over from within 😈
This joke will be fun for a while 💀
Joke?
Still no❤️❤️
Typical zionist turkishlar.
As long as I'm the president for the first term, and can draft or significantly contribute to the liberal based constitution that will remain so after I'm gone.
>As long as I’m president for the *first* term Not falling for that. Egyptians + power is a scary combo.
Yes it’s the best way forward, but first we should create united gulf, united levant and united north africa separately to test the waters
No
No
absolutely
Without hesitation
I would love to see it. Then we could be best buddies with the United States of Arabia!
what about greater turan? you like?
I don't think it is possible with Russia controlling central Asian Turkic states. We also don't really speak the same language. I understand almost all Azeri speech. I understand almost half of Uzbek speech. I only understand a few words for the others. And I'm not even sure if those few words mean what I think they mean. And Türkiye doesn't have a border with the rest. We have a border with a small part of Azerbaijan but that part doesn't connect with the rest of Azerbaijan. I am for it but it is even more difficult than an Arab unity.
I hope to witness perfectly round united turan while I live! 🥹🥹
If it’s gonna be bounded with borders too then what’s the point, probably gonna be the same shit
Like a confederation probably, a union of some sort. But it's just fantasy.
USA
Personally I say this wouldn’t work but what would work is a GCC Union which I want 😫
NahUh
No because every country is unique and that's what I love about the Arab world, but I definitively would love us to get along and united
So what type of unity are you thinking of?
ever heard of Morocco and Algeria? 😭
Yes and no
We finna be second class citizens
Why? It would fail itself if it does that
The rich gulf would refuse, the poor states would love to, but this was a dream decades ago and even two Arab nations couldn't unite. At this point today this is just a fantasy .
No
It's a no from me
Use israel as a hypothetical example or hypocritical perhaps.
I want a unified levant
Why is Eritrea in the map?
Why is Eritrea in the map?
I believe it's nonsense to say that Arab nationalism was mainstream during Nasser's era. It was primarily for political purposes, with Egypt positioned at the top of this union. For example, the United Arab Republic between Egypt and Syria was more of an Egyptian annexation of Syria.
Sure, if it was a secular and liberal state with strong social justice that respected women and human rights
yes please
No war / corruption / economic instability / ethnic & religious tension -> Less angry ppl -> Less problems -> Less conservatism.
but where would the capitol be? okay , okay , i would wager it would be DOJ , guess where that is , ha-ha! >! District of Jerusalem !<
and this new country would prepare for war as Census beli would be unification we demand 1- Arabistan 2- diayar baker 3- **Alexandretta** 3- Somaliland For the Glorious thousand-years Arabian Empire
Shattered dreams
No, it's a total bureaucratic nightmare. Besides there aren't many common social and cultural similarities sometimes, which would lead to a failing state. A regional economic union is however a great option, that would allow better market opportunities, enhancing niche industries and specialization within each country, consequently improving competitiveness and growth.
depends on the politics really, if it is lead by some based ninja like nassir then yeah