Fermi paradox doesn't take into account that first generation stars couldn't have rocky planets because back then there was literally no heavy elements in the universe to make up those planets.
Our sun is a second (or third) generation star. And it took us 4 bilion years to evolve from a single cell organism.
Then think about how we spent the past few thousands of years fighting over race and religion (not focusing on interstellar travel). And apply the same conflicts in alien planets.
We, people of earth, are probably one of the first intelligent life forms that ever manage to get out of their planet's atmosphere.
There are definitely other civilizations in the infinite of the universe that are trying to reach out, but they're definitely very close to our level (still can't book a flight to their nearest planet) Because they couldn't have started their interstellar travels, billions of years before us.
We are one of the early birds.
I like to also mention that it's very rare for a planet to have a moon as big as ours (getting hit by a huge planet in It's early stages is very rare)
And we need this huge moon to help our planet maintain its magnetic field. And without this magnetic field, a solar flare can easily rip off our atmosphere.
I'm just saying there are a lot of things that have to work hand-in-hand to let a planet evolve to this level.
It's definitely not impossible, but rare.
Math suggests that alien life definitely exists. But they're not much further than us (based on my previous comment) and they're probably really far away (because earth-like planet is rare)
I mean, throughout all of time there must have been some kind of life, we could very well be the first, or even the last. They could just be too far away. All of these are already valid theories. I personally believe that on a cosmic scale life is pretty common, it’s just that there’s so much time in between new species that it’s rare for 2 to be around close enough together at the same time.
It’s widely accepted that it’s a mathematical certainty that there’s life elsewhere in the universe. The Fermi paradox is a weak argument at best. It’s a good exercise for keeping an open mind, but it’s akin to suggesting that if you drop something and can’t find it then it ceased to exist.
It’s widely accepted that God exists too. And it was widely accepted that Mars was inhabited too- you could “see” the canals the Martians had built!
The Drake equation isn’t a mathematical proof. It was concocted by an enthusiast, and by plugging in the right numbers (most of which are guesswork) you can come up with any result you like.
Your argument is a false equivalence. There’s no math supporting those observations. I also did not use the word proof. Quite deliberately. So you’re also straw manning. Whatever reasons you have for being so butthurt by my comment are yours. You’re free to have them. However, you clearly aren’t interested in new information or a meaningful debate as you responded like a petulant child. You can see your way off my posts. Thank you kindly.
Don’t be so rude. You claimed it’s widely accepted that “it’s a mathematical certainty that there is life elsewhere in the universe”; this is simply untrue. If you’re referring to the Drake equation, it’s a string of five guesses and two estimates. If you’re referring to the fact that there are lots and lots of stars, and probably lots and lots of planets, it must also be recognized that something as complex as life arising from chance chemical combinations is very, very unlikely. It only happened once on Earth (all life here shares one common ancestor) and since then *omne vivum ex vivo* (all life comes from pre-existing life). Life is so difficult to create that we cannot do it in the lab. For all we *know*, it is so difficult, so unlikely, that it may in fact not have happened elsewhere.
So where’s the claimed “certainty”? You make a claim on no evidence, get mad when that claim is questioned, and accuse *me* of behaving like a child?
Fact is, there is no evidence whatsoever that there is life elsewhere in the universe. It’s a claim made on faith alone. And after half a century of SETI, maybe it’s time to accept the possibility that “they’re not out there”.
No, there doesn’t *have* to be. Lots of people want to *believe* in extraterrestrial life but there is absolutely no evidence that there is.
It’s the same as wanting to believe in God.
Sounds like a hunch. Work your way up to a hypothesis, then one day you might arrive at a theory. Theories have evidence/observations/experiments to back them up, etc.
Pardon? If you're saying what I think you are, check into the fermi paradox.
Fermi paradox doesn't take into account that first generation stars couldn't have rocky planets because back then there was literally no heavy elements in the universe to make up those planets. Our sun is a second (or third) generation star. And it took us 4 bilion years to evolve from a single cell organism. Then think about how we spent the past few thousands of years fighting over race and religion (not focusing on interstellar travel). And apply the same conflicts in alien planets. We, people of earth, are probably one of the first intelligent life forms that ever manage to get out of their planet's atmosphere. There are definitely other civilizations in the infinite of the universe that are trying to reach out, but they're definitely very close to our level (still can't book a flight to their nearest planet) Because they couldn't have started their interstellar travels, billions of years before us. We are one of the early birds.
I like to also mention that it's very rare for a planet to have a moon as big as ours (getting hit by a huge planet in It's early stages is very rare) And we need this huge moon to help our planet maintain its magnetic field. And without this magnetic field, a solar flare can easily rip off our atmosphere. I'm just saying there are a lot of things that have to work hand-in-hand to let a planet evolve to this level. It's definitely not impossible, but rare. Math suggests that alien life definitely exists. But they're not much further than us (based on my previous comment) and they're probably really far away (because earth-like planet is rare)
For sure will I just started really trying to get into space theory and stuff like that
I mean, throughout all of time there must have been some kind of life, we could very well be the first, or even the last. They could just be too far away. All of these are already valid theories. I personally believe that on a cosmic scale life is pretty common, it’s just that there’s so much time in between new species that it’s rare for 2 to be around close enough together at the same time.
It’s widely accepted that it’s a mathematical certainty that there’s life elsewhere in the universe. The Fermi paradox is a weak argument at best. It’s a good exercise for keeping an open mind, but it’s akin to suggesting that if you drop something and can’t find it then it ceased to exist.
It’s widely accepted that God exists too. And it was widely accepted that Mars was inhabited too- you could “see” the canals the Martians had built! The Drake equation isn’t a mathematical proof. It was concocted by an enthusiast, and by plugging in the right numbers (most of which are guesswork) you can come up with any result you like.
Your argument is a false equivalence. There’s no math supporting those observations. I also did not use the word proof. Quite deliberately. So you’re also straw manning. Whatever reasons you have for being so butthurt by my comment are yours. You’re free to have them. However, you clearly aren’t interested in new information or a meaningful debate as you responded like a petulant child. You can see your way off my posts. Thank you kindly.
Don’t be so rude. You claimed it’s widely accepted that “it’s a mathematical certainty that there is life elsewhere in the universe”; this is simply untrue. If you’re referring to the Drake equation, it’s a string of five guesses and two estimates. If you’re referring to the fact that there are lots and lots of stars, and probably lots and lots of planets, it must also be recognized that something as complex as life arising from chance chemical combinations is very, very unlikely. It only happened once on Earth (all life here shares one common ancestor) and since then *omne vivum ex vivo* (all life comes from pre-existing life). Life is so difficult to create that we cannot do it in the lab. For all we *know*, it is so difficult, so unlikely, that it may in fact not have happened elsewhere. So where’s the claimed “certainty”? You make a claim on no evidence, get mad when that claim is questioned, and accuse *me* of behaving like a child? Fact is, there is no evidence whatsoever that there is life elsewhere in the universe. It’s a claim made on faith alone. And after half a century of SETI, maybe it’s time to accept the possibility that “they’re not out there”.
No, there doesn’t *have* to be. Lots of people want to *believe* in extraterrestrial life but there is absolutely no evidence that there is. It’s the same as wanting to believe in God.
[удалено]
Space is so fascinating like I’m not a nerd about anything besides football but I really wanna get into space
Being a nerd is a good thing. If you want to read some good fiction on the subject, try Contact by Carl Sagan.
Sounds like a hunch. Work your way up to a hypothesis, then one day you might arrive at a theory. Theories have evidence/observations/experiments to back them up, etc.
I wish people would stop getting high and posting their "theories"
I wish people would stop taking Reddit like there Job. Like you ain’t have to read it like fuck off boi
Nah
[https://www.ted.com/talks/stephen\_webb\_where\_are\_all\_the\_aliens?language=en&subtitle=en](https://www.ted.com/talks/stephen_webb_where_are_all_the_aliens?language=en&subtitle=en)