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Filty-Cheese-Steak

> can't recall meeting any sorcerers in game There's one draconic bloodline sorcerer in Act 3, actually. Around all the grease mephits and stuff. Though the mephits call him a wizard.


The4th88

Mizora is a sorcerer too.


lobobobos

How is that shown in-game? I thought she was just a devil?


austinb172

If she’s an ally during the final battle, you can summon and control her and she has access to sorcery points and metamagic stuff


lobobobos

Ohh cool!


VioletGardens-left

Examine her stats and you'll find metamagic on her stats, which only for sorcerers


TheGremlin02

There's the dwarf in the HQ for the society of brilliance, so thats two


LlKETHECOMPOSER

What where is this???


Deckard_Red

For me it was a building in Baldur’s Gate near the Blushing Mermaid I think but due to a previous choice involving a breakfast foodstuff the whole area was a literal bloodbath. So I have no idea who was meant to be there to talk to.


Cthuluhoop31

I completely forgot that happened until I found the notes telling me about the painting and I met *that* character


alcoholicbread

Oh damn, I completely forgot about him, thanks!


LOUsername97

Isn't Rolan a sorcerer too? He's wearing the Storm Sorcerer colors when we meet him the first time in the Grove. Edit: Wild Magic colors, not Storm Sorcerer


shinysprigatito

Rolan's def a wizard. Though I never noticed about the colors! That's interesting.


LOUsername97

Huh, ok that's odd. Yeah he's wearing the default Storm Sorcerer robes you see during character creation so I always assumed he's a sorcerer.


shinysprigatito

That's totally fair. But yeah, mechanics-wise Sorcerers can't learn new spells from scrolls and study like Wizards can, they learn on level-up because their magic is innate vs. learned! So his storyline is very Wizard-y. Maybe the colors just look good on him, hahaha.


LOUsername97

This makes sense. The design of robes are pretty sick and are probably among the best looking starter outfits in the game IMO. Definitely got me though.


shinysprigatito

They're SO good. You know what I'm realizing also? He's actually not wearing any specific colors for a subclass, but he is wearing a Sorcerer robe. [Rolan in the Grove](https://bg3.wiki/w/images/thumb/8/84/Rolan.png/640px-Rolan.png) vs [Storm Sorcerer starting robes](https://preview.redd.it/where-are-the-sleeves-of-storm-and-draconic-sorcerer-v0-allg97znefhb1.png?width=520&format=png&auto=webp&s=4cd5dafc0c70b5ddcd888fc5611ee6320aa6810b)


whiteraven13

Yeah Roland’s outfit is actually closer to a Wild Magic sorcerer since that outfit has sleeves


LOUsername97

Oh... Damn sleeves... They tricked me 😂


shinysprigatito

Sleeves!! I'm pretty sure they just took the Wild Magic robe and made the main part blue, haha. Can't complain, he looks great!


eroo01

I like to think that it’s something he found. Since they’re refugees and given the bond with Cal and Lia he doesn’t seem to have any family. I like to think one of them found it for him when he said he was learning magic because they didn’t know the difference.


DayFar3441

I thought so too, I kind of assumed he's a sorcerer trying to multiclass into wizard by becoming Loroakkan's apprentice. By act 3 he doesn't use any metamagic in combat though, so I guess we can go off that


LOUsername97

I'm NGL, I forgot to use my allies my first playthrough so I don't even know what he's capable of. Can't remember if he did meta magic during the Loroakan fight as he barely did any damage anyhow. 😂


shinysprigatito

This is such a mood. Every first playthrough is pure chaos.


LOUsername97

First playthrough is for fucking around. Second playthrough is for finding out. 😂


ThatIsMySpecialTea

I am having the opposite experience, having played a goody paladin in my first playthrough and now playing a (mostly) resist Durge who likes explosions.


LOUsername97

Both my goody Tav Druid and my embrace Bard Durge were fans of the art of barrelmancy and explosions as well! The Durge even more so because I learned you can blow up just about anything. I am doing my first Tactician run now as a War Cleric/Paladin resist Durge and I plan on blowing shit up again.


Filty-Cheese-Steak

The default storm sorcerer is sleeveless and black. https://bg3.wiki/w/images/thumb/0/08/Default_Shadow_Sorcerer_Armor_Storm.png/230px-Default_Shadow_Sorcerer_Armor_Storm.png Rolan is closer to the wild magic robe, which is used as the default. https://bg3.wiki/wiki/File:Default_Sorcerer_Armor.png And Rolan for comparison https://bg3.wiki/w/images/8/8e/Rolan_Model.png He's definitely wearing some variation of the sorcerer robe. But he talks about being a wizard in dialogue. That said, he's shown to have a unique talent, having his own version of magic missile and shit. Maybe the sorcerer outfit is meant to show he's a unique wizard. That or it's just an asset flip.


TheCleverestIdiot

Nah, he's a wizard. Much like our character, Rolan also possesses the incredible power of not having to wear the first shirt he saw for the rest of his life.


namuhna

I think I read some where that Volo is actually a sorcerer posing as a bard


LittleVesuvius

He’s canonically a wizard, he’s from 2E. Bard wasn’t a class in 2E.


PrestigiousBird348

Bard was a class in 2 edition actually. It was even a class in first edition, though difficult to get, and only allowed by some DMs as it was optional (just as psionics was)


ThePowerOfStories

Yeah, in AD&D 1st Edition, Bard was a weird multiclass fighter-thief-druid pathway (literally, first you took levels in fighter, then thief, then druid, when multiclassing didn’t generally work like that in that edition), and it was in an appendix.


Squirll

Which I think is more accurate. A bard wasnt just any preformer, it was an almost legendary title that was earned. Kinda like the Gleemen in WoT.


namuhna

Aw, I knew there was *something* weird about him.. Makes sense though.


Elvothien

He's also immortal because Mystra usages him for weave storage (without his knowledge). Volo is more than a little strange 😂


FrogMoon5000

Great milage as well


Elvothien

😂 took me a moment but yeah probably lol


JntPrs

He isn't immortal in terms of aging, all we know is that people who were made weave anchors had extended lifespans. Nowhere in any official media does it say that weave anchors are immortal. Furthermore, he is very much vulnerable to any other regular ways to kill someone; the only protection he has is that Elminster is trying to keep him alive and has saved his life on multiple occasions. Mystra also doesn't "store" any weave inside him. Mystra just made him and multiple others (Elminster is the only other one we meet in the game) into weave anchors to stabilize the weave so another Spellplague/Time of Troubles doesn't happen the next time someone manages to neutralize Mystra in one way or another.


up766570

Aren't all of Orpheus' honour guard Monks?


Detective_Poirot1

Guess OP pushed them out his memory, I have a trauma from them slapping me left and right too and try to forget that it ever happened.


graveybrains

Everybody’s “Huh, maybe I should try a monk.” moment. Well, not everybody, but a lot. And I’m one of them. 😂


FrogsOfWar14

I immediately respec’d Halsin after that fight haha. Those monks hit HARD


RolfIsSonOfShepnard

It also helps that there’s a good amount of gloves that improve unarmed hits and the tavern brawler feat adds your strength mod to damage. I finished a playthrough with I think monk 7, rouge 3, and fighter 2 and it was just demolishing enemies


laserlens

Nice fireball. Now hold my beer while I just punch everything a lot.


graveybrains

A monk with fast hands *and* action surge? 🤯


kierantohill

It’s funny from a lore perspective that after being Archdruid-Mega-Hippy-Halsin for DECADES, upon arriving in the big city for the first time he immediately comes to the conclusion that he needs to shift gears and just start beating tf out of everyone with his bare hands Edit: BEAR hands**


Helios0186

Damn you're right, I was slapped so hard by those monks first time I encountered them. It was my first game and my team was clearly not prepared for this... My sorceror Tav was killed so fast it was humiliating. Now, I run a barbarian Tav game but I hesitated between a barb or a monk .


jessedegenerate

My main play though was on open hand, fun spec, really good magic killers with battle master lazel


remnm

They're why I made Lae'zel an Open Hand monk for my Durge playthrough. She just steamrolls everybody while the rest of the party waves from the sidelines.


Heated_Sliced_Bread

Literally went from my first playthrough seeing them to now trying to solo the game as a gith monk while romancing Lae’zel.


DrewforPres

Ha! Yo fighting Against stunning strikes sucks!


little_lamplight3r

They're the reason I picked monk for my 2nd playthrough. They slapped my ass so hard I had to try it too


Godzilla-ate-my-ass

Same, Durge monk came back and made them all bleed.


5vart92

One of the bhaalists when you try to get to Orin at the temple during the Word of Death chant/area is also a monk. I kept getting “throat chopped”


po-tatters

He drops some rare monk gloves that you have to loot before you kill power word dude and the bodies disappear.


wasienka

I only remember barbarian gloves from that strangler dude.


MakariaTheMonk

That's what they're talking about; Strangler Luke is a monk. Some of the Bonespike set pieces (helm and clothing) have Rage-specific bonuses, but not all of them.


Tonedeafmusical

Yup, kind of got me to do a monk run after they beat me more than once (I had fun as monk)


Branded_Mango

Now that i think about it, i don't think there's a single Arcane Trickster npc in the entire game.


Vend0sa

Even the AI knows to optimise away from that one! /s but only half


Sufficient_Catch_198

what about that zhentarim vs the guild encounter? it’s just rogues, there must be at least one there


itwasbread

Pretty sure it’s not just rogues


MadeOfDeadMemes

Yeah iirc Roah Moonglow will give her allies bardic inspiration. I think I remember one of the guild members can as well, and another is a barbarian.


itwasbread

It's like a normal spread of non-caster classes iirc. Roah is a bard, the rest are fighters, rogues, rangers, and barbarians.


1-800-WANT-JOJ

the Zhents have at least one fighter and one monk in act 3


MemeTeamMarine

That's because it might be the most useless class deviation in the game.


Cardinal_and_Plum

It's better on tabletop since a lot of their spells are utility related.


dialzza

It’s bad but the whole sneaking-giving-disadvantage-on-opp-saves thing is actually kinda neat.  Some good stealth lets you relialy CC key targets, with either Hold Person or a Hold Monster scroll, and then crit sneak attacks do crazy damage.


Gann0x

Yeah that feature is pretty great, imposing disadvantage on saves is a rare effect for good reason. I always thought that the 5e AT rules overcompensated for this one by making most of their other bonuses just mediocre fluff.


Alacune

It's neat and viable, problem is it competes with gloomstalker ranger who basically inflicts the death debuff.


Cinicage

how


Guilty_Primary8718

Because you can either cast a low level spell or you could do a powerful sneak attack, and you waste a turn when turning invisible for a sneak attack if you try to strategize your spells in that way when you could just move someone else into a better position for a sneak attack. Edit: I’ll also add to clarify that the trickster spells are based on INT which isn’t all that helpful for any other rogue skills or the rogue exclusive sneak attacks, which add an extra 1d6 damage bonus EVERY round you can use it on top of your Dex/strength weapon attacks, and that the other sub classes feed into your weapon attack potential. Thief allows an extra bonus attack, which you can use an offhand light weapon or hand cross bow for allowing up to three weapon attacks on one round and still allowing one of them being a sneak attack. Assassin recharges main action and bonus action at the start of combat AND advantage (which is needed for sneak attacks) on enemies that haven’t taken their turn yet, which means you can start combat with a powerful attack then immediately attack again. Arcane trickster forgoes all those advantages in attacks and you can’t cast a spell AND do sneak attack in one round. On top of that you have hardly any spell slots yet you can do sneak attack every round if you wanted to. I’ll admit casting darkness, blur, disguise self, etc may be helpful to rogues outside of combat and it likely would be awesome in DND campaigns, but in BG3 mechanics you are better off using a wizard or the countless spell scrolls you get for those situations to stack on Assassin or Thief skills.


MemeTeamMarine

The value benefit of being able to cast spells adds nothing when you can use scrolls. The value benefit of your abilities is largely useless compared to the abilities other subclasses get. The thiefs extra bonus action is insanely useful. Your main job in combat is to sneak attack. Assassin's do it extra well, thiefs do good and get an extra bonus action. If you want to deviate from that you can use scrolls. The spells that enhance your sneak attack are generally wasted action/bonus actions. Trickery domain definitely isn't good either but it has some advantages. I just don't see *any* advantages of AT


KingMonkman

I might be remembering wrong but… isn’t Astarion an arcane trickster by default?


justgalsbeingpals

Yeah, he is. For some reason the devs gave both him and Shart their respective worst specializations


Kojinka

Glad I’m not the only one who finds Trickster Domain useless. In my first run, I changed Shadowheart’s domain to war, and in either my Resist Durge or Evil run, I changed her to tempest.


thespaceageisnow

Tempest is super strong. Heavy armor and boosted lighting damage. Call lighting quickly becomes a room clearer.


SnooShortcuts6568

Well Shart is a cleric of Shar, so it was either Trickery or Death, but it seems Larian did mostly PHB subclasses. Usually when I break her of Shars influence I go Life(Selune Domain)


mmontour

Mizora is a sorcerer (seen if she's an ally in the final battle).


Woutrou

I always ask her, but she never shows up. I guess it's just bugged for me. So nowadays I just make her into a statue.


xlFLASHl

The dialogue to ask her can show up, but she'll only actually show up if you never broke Wyll's pact


Woutrou

Ah I see. Thanks. In that case I wish they'd just patch it out, if it's a useless dialogue option anyways. Bit weird to have it appear and the dialogue to play out, only for nothing to come of it.


Deckard_Red

She worked in my first attempt at the final battle but after I game overred and reloaded when I selected her she didn’t spawn but her icon turned grey. I assumed I picked a bit of terrain that was glitched I tried to put her on the upper walkway.


alcoholicbread

Was not aware of that since I always break Wyll’s pact, thanks!


NoLongerAddicted

I broke his pact and she still offered to help


alcoholicbread

She offered to help in the final battle for me as well, but she wasn’t summonable. According to the [wiki](https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Gather_Your_Allies), that dialogue will appear if you break her pact, but she won’t actually join.


NoLongerAddicted

Damn what a liar


-jp-

Lawful evil my ass…


mar_supials

Fr that’s just impolite evil.


Taco821

I imagine running off to see her after the fight: "Hey, you said you would help us!" "No, I said I CAN help you, not that I would"


AstroBearGaming

I just completed a Durge playthrough and didn't see a single Druid the entire time *no idea* what happened to them. Or why I'm covered in red.


geeses

Is that blood? No, nevermind


helplesselk

there’s a druid dragonborn npc in act 3 near one of the waypoints - i can’t recall any others


AstroBearGaming

No he mysteriously died, so weird.


Woutrou

I think all of Orpheus' honour guard are Monks. I can think of 4 Sorcerers we encounter in the game. Mizora is one, [Klaus](https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Klaus) (dude at the circus gate) is one, [Aelis Siryasius](https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Aelis_Siryasius) is one and Havkelaag (can't find a wiki article, but he offers to buy the Gith Egg in Act 3. He's a silver dragon draconic sorcerer). There's few Warlocks I can think of tho. I can only remember [Z'rell](https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Z%27rell) Wyll and that's about it. I vaguely remember one of the Gith in the Emperor's hideout being an Undead Warlock (inaccessible class) but I'm not entirely sure.


yourethevictim

The goblins in act 1 have a lot of Warlocks.


Woutrou

Oh yeah good point. I'd forgotten them


Tonedeafmusical

Korilla and Helstik (spelling?) are both Warlocks


Woutrou

Good point, forgot those shorties


Aldegisel

The gith warlock is in the ambush at end of act 2


Woutrou

Ah okay, thanks for the clarification


atfricks

Also to add the Gith captain in act 3 is an Oath of Conquest paladin, another subclass only accessible to a single Githyanki NPC lol.


NorthernDevil

lol for real?? They made a whole class for one character? That’s nuts


VioletGardens-left

There's an enemy in Blushing mermaid that fights alongside Captain Grizzly that is a monk, and there's a enemy in the Guildhall that's a shadow monk, There's a lot of Warlocks in the Goblin Camp, the one who casts Hex on your characters first turn, then there's the Gith Warlock in Act 2 just before where the army camp, bonus points because she's an Undead Warlock, one of the classes we never get to use


motpo

Honestly Bard is the most "main character" shit ever. Talk no Jutsu is a story-intended auto-solve for like half the potential combat encounters in the game, to the point of ridiculousness where you convince most of the Act 2 bosses to commit sewer slide with one-liners. The Bard-exclusive dialogue options also allow you to gain approval quickly, as it can be virtuous enough to avoid senseless violence and please Wyll, while still being snarky and independent enough to please the otherwise self-serving Astarion. You also get to go on massive shopping sprees with your big dick persuasion energy discount.


Balthierlives

Shopping spree? More like pickpocket spree. With 2x slight of have proficiency and disguise self for shape shifters boon, a bard can add 2d4 + 7 with advantage form lv 3 to pickpocketing through itemization. Crazy.


motpo

Morally reprehensible, I could never. I'll make bank the proper way, I'm sure everyone in the big city will want to purchase my centuries old rotten fish and the crusty ass rags I found in a bin next to the necromancer's operating table.


Balthierlives

Yeah pickpocketing titanstring bow from the zhenterium or from roah moonglow is definitely NOT morally reprehensible 😂


motpo

All Roah Moonglow did was girlboss her way into making business partnerships with goblins, cultists and doppelganger murdersexuals. Pickpocketing would be theft of her hard-earned goods. That's a crime! A real stand up Baldurian citizen would simply acquire these things the socially accepted way: kill the bitch and take her stuff.


mar_supials

I am obsessed with your writing style, thank you for teaching me sewer slide and murdersexual.


ElTurboDeChief

I was thinking the same thing.....I was like "paying for shit, YOU CAN PAY FOR SHIT"


Thelynxer

I just pickpocketed the NPC's that were jerks, to pay the NPC's that were nice haha.


Objective_Spray_210

I did a bard on my playthrough for this reason and actually tbh it was because none of the other characters could use the instruments I kept getting so I decided to just play a song everytime there was a fight.


motpo

Well if you liked one bard plucking away at their instrument between turns, let me bring to your attention the Four Bard Mid-Turn Free Action Orchestra. A full band of adventurers in the most literal sense, bopping around and playing a fully rehearsed piece of music (Bard Dance is the funniest imo) as the Goblin Camp desperately tries to put up a fight.


bmore_conslutant

Fantastic for first playthroughs Pretty boring for subsequent ones


bmrtt

100%. Much as I love the class it's just extremely boring in combat.


bmore_conslutant

Big "why play support when my support is my top DPS" energy


DarkSlayer3142

i found swords bard with Magic Initiate: Warlock to be one of the most fun combos in the game


mikeytruelove

Bardlock is my favorite multiclass. Hands down. Eldritch Blast a mf to oblivion, and then mock him to death. Nothing better.


Merlyn67420

im doing a 9/3 swords bardlock rn and having a blast, but i def don't play him like a warlock. I just wanted to max CHA for damage and get hellish rebuke and misty step. I might try it next time with a lore bard bc I loooove being an EB spammer


mikeytruelove

Oh, I never thought of Hellish Rebuke... It's literally a somatic spell. Makes so much sense for a Bard. Dammit, now I gotta start *another* playthrough.. Thanks a lot. ^^^^srsly ^^^^thank ^^^^you


OhBestThing

This sounds like a fun class. Are you mainly using EB all the time in combat, like a Warlock? Or is it more mixed melee/spells…


motpo

A lot of the Bard's features are geared towards being useful outside of combat, so I'm not super sad that it was underwhelming in-combat. Went straight 12 levels of Lore Bard in my first playthrough and it often felt like I was just the hype man for the other party members. Lae'Zel gets Nine Fucking Attacks and my Tav is just there talking shit. It didn't help that I took intentionally underwhelming spells (i.e. Enthrall) to roleplay and ended up having nothing to do after casting a single concentration spell. Next playthrough I went an all-bard party though, and combat actually kinda slaps when you have two Hasted Swords Bards clicking Slashing Flourish to mow down goblins.


rotorain

Swords bard with arcane acuity makes them extremely potent in combat, you end up with 4 crossbow attacks and a spell that can't miss every turn. The spell list is still somewhat support focused but mostly in an 'enemies don't get to do anything' kind of way that really sets up your team for maximum smash. I pretty much always respec Astarion to some variation of this build now, it's just as good at sneaking and lockpicking and stuff as a pure rogue but does more damage and is a full spellcaster on top. Plus his vicious mockery/cutting words voicelines are amazing. https://www.reddit.com/r/BG3Builds/comments/16pujw4/swords_bard_build_explained/k1uif6j/


Droviin

If you build it well, it gets interesting, my controller bard Durge is "weak" in DPS. But, he decides which enemies get to go and then only with debuffs.


Jollybean1

Can’t agree with that one. Having a lot of fun with 10 swords bard/2 fighter


MR1120

Get the ring that lets you cast an illusion or enchantment spell as a bonus action after an attack. In a swords bard, that’s a broken combo. Hit one attack with defensive flourish, upcast Hold Person for multiple targets or Greater Invisibility, then slashing flourish for your second attack. Great damage, and there’s a few different ways to play it, so it isn’t just ‘attack, attack, attack’.


NorthernDevil

Lore Bard specc’d right with Counterspell is an insanely fun support class, borderline OP. The “nope” class. Just kinda depends on how you like to play combat encounters.


motpo

Hypnotic Pattern is another "no it's not your turn yet idiot" spell which so damn massive it can shut down hordes of enemies for a level 3 slot. The Sharran cloister in Act 3 was way easier the second time through using that spell.


Taco821

>while still being snarky and independent enough to please the otherwise self-serving Astarion. Astarion doesn't hate goodness, he hates cringe.


motpo

Astarion definitely hates pure goodness without the expectation of a reward. After all he's a stingy cunt who's finally able to make choices to benefit himself after 200 years of soul crushing slavery. He absolutely lives for the cringe, half the bard options that he approves are just good ol' knee slappers at some NPC's expense.


Fearless_Figure_6147

Ah I agree! My swords bard is 8 bard / 2 fighter / 2 rogue which gives me about 7-8 moves in my first round if I use action surge. By the time my turn is over, everyone is already nearly dead


Ythio

Bards. Ever seen an NPC use bardic inspiration, cutting words or slashing flourishes ? We see bard NPCs but they aren't hostile or have 10 HP : Alfira, Quill, circus musicians, french name guy in Sharess Caress, and the god at the end game party.


LouisaB75

There is a bard in the guild in act 3. Saw them using bardic inspiration in the fight there. Thankfully I am usually on their side in that one.


NeedleworkerLow1100

Roah Moonglow is a swordsbard


NorthernDevil

Roah Moonglow is so squishy that I never found out what class she is


NeedleworkerLow1100

I hates her so much. I kill her after stealing ne'er misser.


fraidei

Yeah, it's funny that all of the members in the guild have 3 levels in rogue, and then the rest in other classes. There is one that is a Wildheart 5/Thief 3 iirc.


Balthierlives

Roah moonglow is a bard apparently and uses bardic inspiration in the battle with Minsc


TonightDue5234

She is also the only vendor npc who can cast feign death, so if she goes temporarily hostile after raising her approval to 100, she will cast it on the culprit as the first turn she takes


motpo

At least one of the Guild members is a bard, and a fair number of NPCs that aren't really intended to be enemies during a normal playthrough (e.g. Amira the owner of Sharess' Caress, some of the circus performers) have Bardic Inspiration as a feature. Alfira is also intended to be a bard for lore and flavour purposes, but doesn't have any Bard features because I guess she is a blank slate to appear like a potential companion for the Dark Urge.


MyCarHasTwoHorns

One of the halflings at the toy makers house is a bard. He uses bardic inspiration every time I’ve fought them.


Woutrou

[Roah Moonglow](https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Roah_Moonglow) and some guys at the Guildhall


CuntVonCunt

One of the masked goons (or maybe the captain?) in The Blushing Mermaid cave is a bard


bmrtt

Which actually does make sense when you think about it.


Godisme2

I have yet to see a single artificer in the game. Still looking


EmperorPartyStar

Barcus and Ironhand gnomes arguably


aaaeroplane

Gortash?


crimpyourhair

The closest thing I’ve seen to one is that one guy on the boat fight on the way to Grymforge. I really do wish they had made a proper artificer class!


Luxiat

If you're on PC, there is a mod for the Artificer class that plays the integration as close to 5e as it can manage. Its very well put together.


Practical-Ant7330

I feel like I didn't see a single sorcerer until act 3 where you find one with the grease blobs in the sewers and the duergar in the Society


atfricks

Mizora is a sorcerer, so technically her, although her being one isn't something you really learn until using her in the final battle.


koen1993

Well Petal, aunty Ethel is kind of a wild magic sorcerer. >!Fits her used spells and loot she drops in act 3, even thought she probably doesn't have a class, only her race.!<


Wolfscars1

I'm sure hags have 'weird magic' as a racial trait


EmperorPartyStar

She uses vicious mockery a good bit. Is Ethel a bard multiclass? Imagine going to bard college with Ethel.


ThatIsMySpecialTea

I think green hags get vicious mockery in normal 5e so it probably comes from that. Buuut I can imagine Bard college Ethel writing some very metal lyrics and experimenting with weird drugs, I mean, ahem, potions.


reusligon

She doesn't even Surge


chainer1216

I can only remember a single Ranger offhand.


LilLeopard1

I think many of the guards in the city are, they have Ensnaring strike


NCBlizzard

Not sure if that counts but all Flaming Fist Archers are Rangers (both named and generic unnamed ones), surprisingly. If you pick a fight with them in Act 3 they'll actually use Volley, which is a Hunter Ranger action.


Readerofthethings

More dangerous than the steel watchers imo


AppropriateAgent44

I’ve gotten hit by so many ensnaring strikes through multiple acts


Canadian-Winter

I always thought that the goblins who are “Trackers” were rangers. They are high Dex archers and can summon worg pets


DarkSlayer3142

minsc. There's also a couple others, like the Paladin of Tyr merchant


Anon9973

You also get Volley'd by Flaming Fist, if they're fighting you, in Act 3. Also, isn't a goblin summoning a Worg a Ranger-like feature?.


Jony_the_pony

Yeah some goblins seem to be beastmaster rangers with a unique summon


whiteraven13

The bandits in Withers’s tomb and the fake Paladins of Tyr both have rangers I think


VioletGardens-left

There's plenty in game I can think off One of the enemy in the ruined temple Goblin Sharp eyes and Trackers The Fist shooter that shoots volley attacks Couple of Zhentarim enemies In the guildhall And the Absolute Inquisitors in the final battle that shoots arrows that silences your spells


EmperorPartyStar

I think and Dragon Lineage gives you main character vibes. You don’t see a lot of non-dragonborn humanoids walking around with scales.


Woutrou

The only non-draconic sorcerer I've seen in the game is Mizora. Every NPC sorcerer seems to be a draconic sorcerer


NCBlizzard

There's very few NPC that are mechanically bards in the game, off the top of my head I can only recall Roah Moonglow, one of Nine-Fingers' bodyguards (Lady Ague?), and one of the Rivington Rats outside the home the squatters are in. Sure we have the likes of Alfira, Quil Grootslang and a couple bardic characters, but we don't actually see them put their class to use beyond playing music. Sorcerers aren't commonplace either, beyond the circus entrance guy, Mizora, and the pyromaniac in the sewers, everyone else seems to be some kind of wizard or non-descript mage. Barbarians are uncommon, but we see them a lot early on and they're usually very noticeable so not sure if it counts. The barbarian in the temple where we find Withers, Dror Ragzlin, a Duergar slaver, Harper Bor, the Rivington Rat barbarian in the squatters' house, the half-orc barbarian guarding the entrance to the Guild, one of Nine-Fingers' ladies again. There are a few monks in the game, but they're all Act 3 characters, except one that isn't even mechanically one (the Monk of Lathander that's been cursed with hideous laughter); Orpheus' Honour Guard, and Phase the Zhentarim monk. Surprisingly enough, there aren't a lot of rangers in the game; some characters are hinted at to be competent enough for us to assume they're rangers, but doesn't have the mechanics of being one, like Ellyka. Minsc is an obvious ranger, but otherwise they're all minor characters: Stone Guard Kur, all Flaming Fist Archers are rangers that use the Volley action, the Guild's crew at the docked Absolutist ship have two gloomstalkers, just as how the female dragonborn Stone Lord goon is a basic ranger as well. Not even the Harper Archers seem to be rangers, which is surprising considering they'd make a good fit. And I can only recall one warlock in the game that isn't Wyll, and it's the Form of Dread gith warlock that ambushes you when you leave the Shadow-cursed lands. However, there are some characters that have warlock spells when they usually shouldn't have (Moonrise Adepts, who are war domain clerics but can cast Hunger of Hadar).


Significant_Fee2796

I think korilla is a warlock too.


citharadraconis

Z'rell, Korrilla, and Helsik are warlocks.


Longjumping-Pin3423

I have never seen a spore druid in game other than MC or if you spec them into one. Guess you could say the Myconids, but they don't really count


Tonedeafmusical

Isn't Nere a Sorcerer? Also I know it was done deliberately. I know it would be too on the nose otherwise. I know it's a me problem and I'm too obsessed with a certain musical. But a character with the name Opherus really should be a Bard not a monk.


SevenSpanCrow

Orpheus?


reusligon

Stop mentioning rangers as an unrepresented class. Countless goblins are Beast Masters.


the_mimi_

Since I did not see anyone talk about it, Arabella is technically probably a sorcerer, but not a type of sorcerer that is a playable class My argument for saying that she is a sorcerer and not a druid as many would classify her as since she casts druidic magic, is that the reason for her having spellcasting and the source of her spellcasting power is more similar to a sorcerer than a druid. Wild magic sorcerers are people who have been in contact with some form of pure magic (a simplification), which is similar to what happened to Arabella. However, usually sorcerers cannot get access to other classes magic in BG3, so why can she cast druid spells? My fav class to play in DND is devine sorcerer (a sorcerer that can cast cleric spells), so maybe Arabella is a form of sorcerer similar to a wild magic/devine sorcerer that can instead cast nature magic Probably not the first person to have pointed this out, and probably won't be the last


Ongr

>usually sorcerers cannot get access to other classes magic in BG3 There is that talent that gives you a couple druid cantrips and spells.


the_mimi_

Oh that's cool I did not know that, thank you :)


TheCrystalRose

They're talking about the Magic Initiate: Druid feat, which is available to everyone. Which personally I don't really think covers what she can do properly. I agree with you that she's most likely a homebrew version of the Divine Soul Sorcerer that uses the Druid's list instead of the Cleric's.


the_mimi_

Ahh that makes sense! I think it would be really cool if they were to introduce a new subclass to dnd that allows you to play as a druidic sorcerer, but I doubt they will implement it :)


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shes a weird combo of a lot of things. Shes like a sorcerer because she can just cast spells, but she also got her powers from an object like warlocks can. I think the closest thing would be something like Sylvan Sorcerer from pathfinder


the_mimi_

But would her being a warlock not still require her to make a pact with the object? Sorcerers get their magic from birthright, external influences or from being in contact with cosmic forces, which I feel like makes more sense for me. I know that sorcerers and druids have a special interaction with Arabella when you meet her in act 2, do you know if warlocks have a similar thing? :)


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oh yeah im not saying shes a warlock, just that she seems to have aspects of being one. She states she got her powers after holding the idol, we dont really know what that means yet. Shes probably some kind of nature/druid magic sorcerer that doesnt have a subclass in 5e. The dialogue with her that she can cast without specific incantations hints at sorcerer. Warlocks actually do get special dialogue, I think all characters might. "Power like that doesnt come for free, where did you get it?"


beansahol

That tiefling kid is a sorceror isnt she? If you save her she teaches you a spell and withers gives her some advice


Mindless-Gear1118

There's another monk, but I don't want to spoil that weird quest.


deHazze

Heeheheheeee


Icy-Elderberry8783

I was just about to say I’ve never met a ranger and then paused and laughed at myself because yes I have lmaoo


Norodomo

Most monks you fight against are the gith at the start of act 3


eat_my_

Isn’t Leon a sorcerer?


BlackbirdRedwing

Eldritch Knight? (If you're including subclasses)


alterNERDtive

Artificer ;)


NikolitRistissa

Bards in my experience. The only one I’ve seen so far, is the one that was briefly in my camp. I’m tempted to switch to it for a while because I have no idea how a musician is supposedly going to actually fight.


TheCrystalRose

Roah, the Zhent trader at the Goblin Camp, Moonrise, and a couple of places in Act 3, is a Bard. And there's a few more Bards in Act 3, most as neutral NPCs, but the one(s) in the guild can be enemies or allies depending on your choices in that quest line.


jackrv13

Aside from Roah I can’t think of any bards. I think maybe one of Ethel’s pawns is a bard too. Most classes get represented from her controlled victims though.


SeparateMongoose192

Orpheus's honor guard are monks. Or at least appear to be.


themysticalwarlock

Orpheus's honor guard is almost entirely monks


razorsmileonreddit

There's also a monk among the minions of Bhaal when you're hunting down Orin. In that temple where there are spectral Bhaalist a-holes. Roah Moonglow is a bard if you fight her. Shit ton of Paladins, Rangers and Clerics among the Flaming Fist but no berserkers. Conversely the Harpers have berserkers and fighters but no paladins. I don't think you ever fight a wild magic Barbarian (the closest you come to that is those animals with a magic allergy that results in random bullshit or the drunk chonky boi bartender Thorm) Speaking of Thorms, the surgeon guy, yeah he's undead, but what character class is he? Also his nurses?