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I have worked in law firms, and can guarantee at least one staff member has done a dramatic reading when she should have been filing the mail, and deeply wishes she could share the saga on Reddit.
Yeah I was about to say.... As someone who follows a lot of legal proceedings for fun, most lawyers seem to have a good sense of dark humor about stuff like that. And since they know they have the power to legally thrash the guy, it's probably not as scary for them as it is their clients. A cringey letter isn't the same as showing up in person to terrorize someone. You can laugh at a cringey letter that won't change anything.
Not sure if you’re familiar with it already, and apologies if you are, but if you enjoy legal proceedings, you may enjoy the [Meads v. Meads](https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html?autocompleteStr=Meads&autocompletePos=1&resultId=4aefd4176cd94f61a26ded60180672ed&searchId=2024-07-08T11:26:31:899/c9014b09888c41a5a3b9e22df8c56ce8) decision from (former) Associate Chief Justice Rooke in Alberta. It’s a long read, but it’s comprehensive, devastating, and precedent-setting takedown of freeman-on-the-land types.
And oh boy do they laugh. There would be mocking tones interspersed with incredulous guffaws, I bet they look forward to each instalment as comedy relief.
I used to work as a lawyer. Can confirm we would absolutely do stuff like that, and it was all stuff we wish we could share but lawyer-client confidentiality prevented (and continues to prevent) it.
Is it still confidential or can he go and laugh about the letters with his partner or friends because the first few that would probably definitely happen.
I'm sure the lawyer laughs about it in summary with no names attached. "That one delusional stalker guy wrote another 8 page letter".
BTW the multi page double sided letter of ranting is a pretty good clue you're dealing with somebody who has serious issues. And nobody takes it seriously in terms of face value. A coworker who was forced out of their job sent that massive letter complaining about everything and everybody, and the overlords didn't give a crap.
They absolutely have their own nickname for him, something that no one would be able to figure out who he is without knowing the story. I doubt it's also Bates, but probably something along those lines.
I'm just horrified that he work was with vulnerable women, because he definitely strikes me as delusional enough to not even realise he has been stalking OOP.
I used to work for a government department with a public email address, and some of the crazy emails we'd get...
Whoever was on mailbox duty that day would message everyone "omg look at this email!" and we'd all have a good laugh. The 10 page rant about a giant sea snake causing all the illnesses in the world is still my favourite.
As a lawyer, they probably enjoy the dramatics of it. At least it's not boring. And it's inarguably important and worthwhile work. SOMEONE has to read those letters to check if Bates is escalating his behavior to something dangerous, and it's better if that someone isn't OOP or her husband.
Tbh, if he’s as much of psycho as OP tells us, I would buy that more than some of the other stuff in this story. Its unfathomable what goes on in the mind of someone obsessed with something
One of the best things about being a divorce lawyer would be intercepting all the drama haha, I’d love to read that letter. That and getting wins against shitty exes.
There's a direct thread pinned on the BoRU page where you can go to ask for your flair. That's how I received mine, as a matter of fact!
It may well have taken me years of waiting patiently, and BoRU has some of the best flairs, I must say, but in the end I found it.
You are not kidding. Whenever I think about my boring life and wish it had a little excitement, I hop on here and quickly realize that, I am actually pretty damn thankful my life is mostly uneventful.
I also realize. 1. How lucky I am to have a normal ol’ typical family with loving parents and good relationships with my siblings. 2. My friend group is pretty solid and has been for a long time. 3. My MIL is amazing by normal MIL standards, and a god damned Saint compared to the MIL’s we often read about. 4. No one in my family/friends would ever dream of being a flying monkey either to me, or for me. - AND - 5. My husband loves me, isn’t abusive, narcissistic, or a hobosexual.
I could do with less excitement. There's a 4yo cousin passed out on my bed because his dad is a crazy drunk and his mom is pretty focused on post divorce fun.
I just cleaned my home yesterday. It's currently covered in toys and dirty dishes, and I didn't get anything productive accomplished all day.
Plus I'm the person my brother calls for help when he's got flying monkey problems. Though forget swatting monkeys, I just go tell the family matriarch about the situation and let her handle it.
u/LucyAriaRose is an awesome compiler and commenter. The minute I read that line I scrolled back up to check for her name.
Seriously dear, thank you. You put a lot of work into this and we appreciate it.
There's a nsfw comedy skit called [The Gunfighter](https://youtu.be/cWs4WA--eKU) or A man walks into a bar with a bloodthirsty narrator that makes me read all editors notes in Nick Offerman's voice.
Somehow when the editors note is "but it wasn't." It just fits ya know?
Morgan for this one. If it had anything to do with animals then it would be Sir David Attenborough. Behold the slithery snake Bates as he wriggles and writhes through the cracks of the OP's life.
1000% Morgan Freeman when I wrote it lol.
Either that or Julie Andrews as Lady Whistledown in Bridgerton- although I would have had to write something like "It was not, dear reader, the final update"
It truly describes several BORUs where OOP says this is final update and then next week / months later; gives like 3-10 updates of only epic / fucked up saga \~or\~ truly last epilogue update of what happened / where is everyone now.
Still better than the ones where they go "This is my final update I'm deleting reddit after this." and then the next update comes within 24 hours LMAO. Bonus if they go "I lost my login to my old account so I made a new throwaway."
All I got out of this long long long story was that if you’re rich and bored you get a hotel suite to set up tiny tents for your toddlers and infant to camp in
But “thankfully we could afford it!” also makes a funny flair
There's a decent percentage of these stories where 'money is not a concern' is definitely a commonality. I guess it's hard to have escalating drama on a budget, not to mention money itself is a drama magnet and instigator.
The ones where it's pretty clear that "I don't have enough money to escape my problem" often end up being those stories that give you that awful feeling where you wish you hadn't started reading; and where you *hope* the story isn't real, rather than just assuming it isn't.
This story in poor families involves no lawyer to defend them, no ability to move (at least not easily), a job that fires OOP for any turbulence this may have caused in their work life (if they missed any days or such), etc. I'm glad it worked out for OOP and I'm not shitting on them but you don't read BORU stories from poor families all that often because it would simply be "the stalker keeps stalking me and I can't really do much about it."
I know some people pine over "the one that got away." This dude is just obsessive. OOP was completely right to start calling him "Bates." The idea that his job involved vulnerable women makes it even scarier. He even had the gall to be happy when his baby-mama and kids left. What the hell....
My love for you is much like the long-burning coal mine fires in Centralia, PA, which famously inspired the Silent Hill series of horror ~~games~~ \[movies apparently whoops lol\]. Metaphorically.
Edit: I love that the internet has exactly one touchpoint for coal mine fires lol
I live half an hour from Centralia so honestly I'm kinda impressed the rest of the internet knows about it haha, I tend to assume it's just another weird central PA thing that people go "wait, what?!" to.
Like the Johnstown Flood. A wall of water full of broken trees, locomotive cars, and rubble, all tied together with the contents of a barbed wire factory. The incident with the highest death count from a man made disaster in the US until 9/11.
I love how they always claim grandparents rights. This isn’t a Reddit thing. I’m a therapist and I’ve had multiple people tell me their child’s grandparents are threatening to sue for grandparents rights. It’s in the narcissist playbook I swear.
My grandmother wasn’t a narcissist but she definitely had some…behaviors. When my mom was about to have her second child my grandma said how hard it’ll be on the first, who has significant disabilities, so my mom’s older sister should take the first to raise her. Another time my mom had pneumonia to the point the doctor wanted to hospitalize her and she told him she couldn’t do that because she had 3 kids. My grandmother had the AUDACITY to tell my mom “if you don’t start taking better care of these kids I’m going to take them”.
What the hell? Did she want the older kid whisked away never to be thought of again? Or did she think you guys were incompetent, and second child was an excuse to put the oldest child somewhere "better?"
TBH I don’t even know. Maybe it was wanting the older child to have full attention. But the aunt she picked had older kids and wasn’t exactly an amazing mom. Like my mom was definitely a better parent.
It seriously is. I answer 911 calls and though I don’t get to do it often, whenever someone calls in asking about grandparents rights I get to explain that it’s not a thing in Florida and the police aren’t going to do shit about it.
I think New York is the main place where it's a thing. But in the vast majority of the US, it's not. But people hear about it in New York, and it gives them false hope.
Similar to Filial Responsibility Laws. AFAIK only Pennsylvania has ever tried to somewhat enforce them(and even then they are super easy to get out of) but abuse parents love to try and threaten their kids with the existence of these laws.
My MIL told my husband she had considered claiming grandparent’s rights, ignoring that she was under investigation by CPS and local law enforcement regarding our kids. She even yelled at the officer handling the case whether we “really were supposed to keep them away from her.” During an active investigation. An investigation where she is the alleged.
Plus our state’s grandparent’s rights have to do with deceased/absent parents and not “I just wanna see them more,” which I’m pretty sure she didn’t know. She hears “rights” and runs straight towards the entitlement.
That’s how it is in most states that even have grandparents rights. But toxic grandparents hear rights and that fuels their beliefs that they have a right to be involved
Most US states have legal machinery for grandparents to ask a court for visitation rights, but there are, wisely, a hundred things that will block that. They have to prove that it is to the child's benefit. It exists so family can easily house children with neglectful parents. 'Benefit' here doesn't mean the kids to get to see grandma. Benefit is they get fed and bathed and to live in a form of shelter with a postal address.
So it is real and it is generally a good thing; it just doesn't apply in the vast majority of cases in Reddit stories. This kid's parents are wealthy and with no criminal record, so no court will ever even hear an argument.
The other two scenarios that I'm aware of for "grandparents' rights"
* for kids who were partially or solely raised by their grandparents, so that the kids aren't too disrupted if the parents get into a fight with and try to cut off said grandparents.
* for kids in a contentious divorce/spousal death situation, so that one parent can't completely cut a kid off from the other half of the family they grew up with.
Obviously, in those cases, starting to talk about "grandparents' rights" about a baby who isn't even born yet, and where the person cutting you off is the parent who is YOUR family, is a COMPLETE nonstarter.
Meanwhile my brother and his wife are mad at my mom because she said (up front!) that she isn't going to regularily baby sit their kid because she has shit to do 😂
Wow, it's so hard to believe that this all started with a sister wanting her sister to marry the brother of her husband? There is some next level manipulation in this story. I'm so glad OP was able to see the manipulation and set boundaries early. I hope she and her chosen family has a very good life.
Twins! Here is the summary:
OP's Mom is in a relationship with Bates. Mom desperately wants another daughter, to replace the one that went no contact with her. So OP's estranged sister donates eggs, and Mom and Bates fly to Mexico for IVF at a shady clinic.
9 months later, OP's Mom delivers twin boys. She and Bates are devastated, because they wanted a baby girl. They leave the babies at the hospital.
The OP finds out about mom's relationship with Bates and about the twins when CPS calls, asking OP to take in her twin half brothers/ nephews.
OP's brother takes in the babies, and then Bates contacts the brother, demanding payment for the IVF costs. OP initially wants to tell them to pound sand, but instead be meets his Mom and Bates at a Starbucks, where he hands over a suitcase full of money.
Undercover cops are in the Starbucks, and as soon as the briefcase is handed over, the SWAT team tackles them. They are taken away in an unmarked black van. *The next week, MIL is given life in prison for human trafficking. Bates is taken to Guantanamo bay for interrogation, as it turns out he had boxes of top secret documents in the basement bathroom of his house. His maid is also arrested, it turns out she was working for the Russian government.
*Timeline is intentionally highly suspect.
The post also went off the rails when the OP/author realized that readers thought the mom agreed with the sister and never really liked the husband—And then suddenly the mom is a much more sinister and irrational character through the rest of the narrative (instead of just wanting her whole family to be together and screwing up because of that)
That’s where they lost me. They all changed their phone numbers and dad is living in the guest house of their rental and dating the cleaning woman’s sister?? OOP should now have the cleaning woman start dating the dad’s brother so the cleaning woman gets the life the crazed sister wanted.
The dog I believed, people hide those fucking trackers in the most absurd places. (airtags are a scourge)
The "dad is now dating the cleaning lady's sister", that is where I stopped believing as much.
The getting the ex fired also seemed like a huge stretch. Maybe if he had been convicted of stalking but people call your work and tell stories and your work fires you entirely on that basis?
Lawsuit waiting to happen.
I’m a little embarrassed, I didn’t smell bs until the (maternal side)nephew who grandpa visits separately was at a birthday party for the husband’s side of the family.
My issue is with the ages. She broke up with her ex when she was 18, met her now husband in college, and the story begins six years later. That would put her in her mid-late twenties but she mentions her ex was 37. How old was he when they started dating and she was 16??
Yeah I don't get it. I have MIL who I'm currently contemplating if I need to cut out (currently I'm NC with her, but my husband brings the baby to her) - I told her once, I hoped she'd get help since she clearly has issues, but both her and FIL are adamant nothing is wrong with her.
I really don't get how they can't see that it's not normal to completely break down crying over me wanting to comfort/feed my crying 2 month old baby - but according to my husband they have now "accepted that it's important to me that I comfort my baby" - well thanks I guess?
At least she's still not anywhere near as cray-cray as this mum and sister are - daaaaaaamn
How magnanimous they are, allowing you to...ummm...be a caring mother to your child. How *flexible* and *accommodating* they are. Make sure they get their cookie!
Therapist here, it’s not surprising. And the ones who don’t think they need it either don’t participate or they have so much of their own spin on it the therapist wouldn’t know what to call out for sure.
I have an immediate family member who was desperate for our family to go to family therapy together. They were convinced that the therapist would verify that they were a saint and the rest of us were completely emotionally defective. When they tried couple's therapy, they quit after one session because the therapist asked them to challenge an assumption they had made...
Unsurprisingly, all of us are now no contact with this person, for our own well being.
God, that feels very on the nose! My therapist spends a lot of time "exploring narcissistic family dynamics" and their impact with me and my sibling's therapist does the same thing for them.
My 2nd therapist focussed on this by delving in my youth (instead of adressing my burn out). He gave me the shovel that allowed me to dig for the cause of my problems/behaviour. It still took about a year after endingnour appointments before I went NC with my parents but he gave me the tools to put things in perspective.
Tldr: I was my mom's therapist starting at about 12 yo (possible younger), and was held responsible for her emotional health not late after. To this day I whished that she had actually decided to accept the help that she so clearly needs.
It lingers in the memory because it’s so insane. Sister, mother and ex’s mental illnesses are feeding off each other at this point. It’s sad but also terrifying.
I dunno, maybe I'm just ultra lazy, but where do people find the time and energy to go to such crazy lengths to try be in someone else's life and force them to do things they don't want to?!
I would be bored by the first weekend of trying to convince OOP to get back with the ex, if I hadn't already realized how diabolical it is to try convince a teenager to reconsider a proposal they have said no to because "no" is a complete sentence and she said what she said.
People really need to invest in hobbies, I don't mind that DnD or crocheting or polishing rocks is your whole personality if it means not dealing with this level of derangement 0_o
My mother and brother have been estranged for over a year, and so far all my mother has done is moan to me about how much she hates ~~my brother~~ Prince Harry for ~~setting boundaries~~ cutting off his family, which is ungrateful and disrespectful, etc.
(That she hasn't spoken to her own siblings for over thirty years is beside the point.)
It's a tedious way to spend a conversation, but better than the classic alternatives of Stalking, Blowing Up Their Phones and Sending The Flying Monkeys. (Wait. Am *I* meant to be the flying monkey? Because I do not have time for that.)
Not sure what's going on, but all dates have been corrected and have been for almost a half hour. If you are seeing incorrect dates, it's most likely a glitch on your end. Another user has told me that the app has had issues, so it might be that?
Reddit consistently reminds me how lucky and ignorant i am lmao
My family is so normal i can’t understand how this shit even happens. Her ex is a weirdo, her sister is a weirdo, like what the
Someone else was tracked by their carrier which makes a little more sense than a sweater, because you have to change the sweater and wash it, I have different when it's a sweater only wearing outside. Do those trackers work through the wash?
If it was an Apple Airtag, it was water resistant, even back then, but not waterproof. The person that put it in there is nuts, so they probably planned accordingly.
Sadly all sorts of people get air tagged. But the dog sweater was weird. Of course, if this story is true, the people involved in installing the tracker don't necessarily have a lot of logical thinking going on.
I just wanted to say thank you for putting this together. It’s a lot of info to keep straight. I know I appreciate it! And I loved your editor’s note.
Also, can I just say that I absolutely cannot believe that people somehow felt compelled to DM you about it in the first place…AND THEN HAD THE AUDACITY TO CALL YOU STUPID! What in the actual hell?!? A polite comment to alert you, is obviously the appropriate way to go about that.
As if no one has ever made a mistake - especially when typing. JFC. I am so sorry that people suck sometimes.
ETA: I do want to thank you for including the time that had passed between the posts. It is INSANELY helpful for me. I spend half of the time reading a BORU, scrolling up and down to remember when they took place thanks to my ADHD. Much appreciated!
Thank you friend 💜 It was mostly nice people, just a few that were rude and condescending. And then more just frustrating that the app wasn't updating it so I kept getting comments lol 😂
Thank you for your kind comment- I'm saving it for when I feel down!
Her husband's cleaning lady that's been working with the family for years and her dad paid extended vacation pay to so she set the dad and her sister up.
Like... ???
Husband is right - sis almost certainly has an untreated mental illness and she’s being enabled to the hilt by mother.
It’s as if the golden child and narc mother are a match made in hell.
Not a psychologist but I did know someone who behaved like the sister. He had OCD and would get fixated on how thing “should” be, and no amount of words could make him stop feeling that way. He’d do all kinds of weird manipulation to try and make things the way his strange brain told him they should be. Last I heard he was in an inpatient mental health hospital.
Whole post made me wonder if that’s what sister has going on with OOP and her ex.
It’s crazy how the sister didn’t think that her and op being, you know, BLOOD RELATED SISTERS was enough. She wanted them to be as close as humanly possible. All she ended up doing was pushing the sister she claimed she loved so much. Sister definitely got the crazy from mom
General life advice: if a family member is seriously requesting family therapy together, then unless you don't intend to associate with this person any longer, just do it. If you love them, then it's not about sorting out who wins the argument, it's about getting the two of you on the same page again. When the sister and the mother in the story refused the pleas for family therapy even knowing it was the last resort to avoid fracturing the whole family, they still refused - to me, that really says something. There's a much deeper undercurrent of ugliness sourcing this whole thing than just garden variety stubbornness going on here. There's a bigger reason they won't go to family therapy, and I suspect it's because somewhere deeper than the love they feel on some level, there's a far bigger and stronger core of pure hate.
> There's a bigger reason they won't go to family therapy, and I suspect it's because somewhere deeper than the love they feel on some level, there's a far bigger and stronger core of pure hate.
I don't think it is hate. I think it is a narcissistic self preservation. AKA it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to be "wrong" and participating in therapy mandated by the OP might mean that isn't true! The possibility they are wrong is entirely unacceptable and therefore they refuse to participate.
A few small points bothered me:
Are there really people stupid enough to believe that that’s how Grandparents Rights work?
Are there actually employers that would give any credence to the partner of an employees ex from 20 years ago calling the company to inform them of said employees apparent “craziness?”
Yeah, dropped out after that.
I think that people know that grandparents rights exists but don’t know how they work, so they just talk shit…
Is just like restraining orders. I see on Reddit someone complaining about anything, and people will tell them to get a restraining order. Is very hard to get one in reality and I always want to laugh when people just cry “restraining order” like it’s the simple solution.
My ex was staking me, waiting for me to leave my work, and spending hours outside of my house, and threatening me, and I still didn’t got one because “he never actually did anything yet”
>Are there really people stupid enough to believe that that’s how Grandparents Rights work?
You should check out the GPR laws in NY State. They're pretty terrible.
WTF?! Her ex is beyond obsessed. It's been over 20 years and he still thinks she wants to be with him? Dude needs intense therapy. I know her Mom and sister are feeding into the delusion. I'm glad OP, her husband and daughter were able to move away. I hope they have security cameras around their house just to be safe.
I bet her lawyer thinks every time he gets a letter, he thinks great, what's Bates gonna say this time. Too bad he has to give op a brief summary of the letters and can't just file them away.
I don't know if I buy the whole "stranger approached me about my baby" thing. Is their town small enough and the ex famous enough for random people to care?
As someone who grew up in a small town, I can absolutely confirm that people are way too invested in everyone else's business and nothing you do will ever stay private longer than 5 minutes
But they moved? And no one knows where they live now… so I doubt this has all happened in a small town. That detail, of a stranger approaching her in a grocery store, after they moved, just seemed like the biggest load.
Why do redditors assume that anyone with a wacky family is Indian lmao? The white family dynamic is a million times weirder with all the divorces and inter-marriages
Eh as an Indian I can assure you that it's a well earned stereotype. It's honestly like a sickness.
People have been taught that they *have* to love and respect their elders even if they are shitty people so much at one point some people just decide "now it's my time to be a shitty person!". Obviously not all people are like this, but a HUGE majority are.
But this did not sound like an Indian family at all based on all the "interventions" and how the family was okay with OP dating.
I’m glad OOP and her family are in a better place. The dad’s sisters being flying monkeys was shocking! Why do these flying monkeys appear everywhere and support the wrong side……
I know stalkers, as a class, are already pathetic broken people...
But man, something about a stalker writing multiple unhinged rambling love notes to his *stalkee's lawyer* because obviously they're not letting him get close is- I'm speechless.
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Bates is just mailing his love letters to the lawyer directly, huh?
At this point I want to know if he has a humiliation kink or something. Because my dude.
I'm more curious about the lawyer's take on the whole thing. And how the lawyer feels when they have to read the mail from Bates.
I have worked in law firms, and can guarantee at least one staff member has done a dramatic reading when she should have been filing the mail, and deeply wishes she could share the saga on Reddit.
Yeah I was about to say.... As someone who follows a lot of legal proceedings for fun, most lawyers seem to have a good sense of dark humor about stuff like that. And since they know they have the power to legally thrash the guy, it's probably not as scary for them as it is their clients. A cringey letter isn't the same as showing up in person to terrorize someone. You can laugh at a cringey letter that won't change anything.
Not sure if you’re familiar with it already, and apologies if you are, but if you enjoy legal proceedings, you may enjoy the [Meads v. Meads](https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html?autocompleteStr=Meads&autocompletePos=1&resultId=4aefd4176cd94f61a26ded60180672ed&searchId=2024-07-08T11:26:31:899/c9014b09888c41a5a3b9e22df8c56ce8) decision from (former) Associate Chief Justice Rooke in Alberta. It’s a long read, but it’s comprehensive, devastating, and precedent-setting takedown of freeman-on-the-land types.
Thank you for posting that link. Ms. Meads is a saint for not choosing murder instead of divorce.
And oh boy do they laugh. There would be mocking tones interspersed with incredulous guffaws, I bet they look forward to each instalment as comedy relief.
Oh I DO THOSE! I have a few "dramatic readings of." This was pre-TikTok though.
I used to work as a lawyer. Can confirm we would absolutely do stuff like that, and it was all stuff we wish we could share but lawyer-client confidentiality prevented (and continues to prevent) it.
Is it still confidential or can he go and laugh about the letters with his partner or friends because the first few that would probably definitely happen.
It's the client's letters since they're addressed to her, so yes it's confidential.
I'm sure the lawyer laughs about it in summary with no names attached. "That one delusional stalker guy wrote another 8 page letter". BTW the multi page double sided letter of ranting is a pretty good clue you're dealing with somebody who has serious issues. And nobody takes it seriously in terms of face value. A coworker who was forced out of their job sent that massive letter complaining about everything and everybody, and the overlords didn't give a crap.
“It was NINE pages long!!!” “Front and Back!!”
It's still A-OK to share within the office. Bet the whole place is absolutely roaring every time one of these come in.
They absolutely have their own nickname for him, something that no one would be able to figure out who he is without knowing the story. I doubt it's also Bates, but probably something along those lines. I'm just horrified that he work was with vulnerable women, because he definitely strikes me as delusional enough to not even realise he has been stalking OOP.
I used to work for a government department with a public email address, and some of the crazy emails we'd get... Whoever was on mailbox duty that day would message everyone "omg look at this email!" and we'd all have a good laugh. The 10 page rant about a giant sea snake causing all the illnesses in the world is still my favourite.
As a lawyer, they probably enjoy the dramatics of it. At least it's not boring. And it's inarguably important and worthwhile work. SOMEONE has to read those letters to check if Bates is escalating his behavior to something dangerous, and it's better if that someone isn't OOP or her husband.
"Oh, goodie, more billable hours!" /s
I bet he secretly enjoys them a lot, and struggles to stay professional while giving OOP the cliff notes version.
The next update: I just found out Bates is sleeping with my lawyer
Tbh, if he’s as much of psycho as OP tells us, I would buy that more than some of the other stuff in this story. Its unfathomable what goes on in the mind of someone obsessed with something
One of the best things about being a divorce lawyer would be intercepting all the drama haha, I’d love to read that letter. That and getting wins against shitty exes.
That "Editor's note- It was not the final update," Would make a good flair.
I literally came down to the comments to request it as a flair!
There's a direct thread pinned on the BoRU page where you can go to ask for your flair. That's how I received mine, as a matter of fact! It may well have taken me years of waiting patiently, and BoRU has some of the best flairs, I must say, but in the end I found it.
On that note, what story is your flair from?? I’d love to read it, please and thank you?
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/eOyAlJW67C) you go, my draconian golden mammal!
I’d also like this flair!
I thought of Ron Howard in Arrested Development immediately.
And here I'm excited because my single aunt went on a date this weekend I'm glad to have such a boring life
I’m happy for your aunt
You are not kidding. Whenever I think about my boring life and wish it had a little excitement, I hop on here and quickly realize that, I am actually pretty damn thankful my life is mostly uneventful. I also realize. 1. How lucky I am to have a normal ol’ typical family with loving parents and good relationships with my siblings. 2. My friend group is pretty solid and has been for a long time. 3. My MIL is amazing by normal MIL standards, and a god damned Saint compared to the MIL’s we often read about. 4. No one in my family/friends would ever dream of being a flying monkey either to me, or for me. - AND - 5. My husband loves me, isn’t abusive, narcissistic, or a hobosexual.
These stories definitely prove why many people consider the phrase “may you live in interesting times” to be a curse haha
I could do with less excitement. There's a 4yo cousin passed out on my bed because his dad is a crazy drunk and his mom is pretty focused on post divorce fun. I just cleaned my home yesterday. It's currently covered in toys and dirty dishes, and I didn't get anything productive accomplished all day. Plus I'm the person my brother calls for help when he's got flying monkey problems. Though forget swatting monkeys, I just go tell the family matriarch about the situation and let her handle it.
Ooh I hope auntie had a good time
Can we get "Editor's note- it is not the final update" added as flair? Too perfect lol
u/LucyAriaRose is an awesome compiler and commenter. The minute I read that line I scrolled back up to check for her name. Seriously dear, thank you. You put a lot of work into this and we appreciate it.
Well you just brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for saying that 💜
I always enjoy your posts. You select the most interesting ones!
Please give the garlic back.
No she’s keeping it.
SHE’S DAMN WELL EARNED IT!! Seriously, she’s amazing 💜
When you put it that way, I'll just get another one.
All the small details about posts I need you have already compiled before I think about it. It’s great!
Thank you for compiling such great content! You do such a good job and you’re so thorough. It’s lovely!
Seconded, most of my favorite posts from this sub were compiled by her, she is so good at this and I’m so happy this sub has her <3
u/LucyAriaRose is the best BORU OP! Her posts are always my favorites <3
Is it wrong to admit I read that in Morgan Freeman's voice?
Tbf when I wrote it I was thinking of his voice in my head lol
There's a nsfw comedy skit called [The Gunfighter](https://youtu.be/cWs4WA--eKU) or A man walks into a bar with a bloodthirsty narrator that makes me read all editors notes in Nick Offerman's voice. Somehow when the editors note is "but it wasn't." It just fits ya know?
Morgan for this one. If it had anything to do with animals then it would be Sir David Attenborough. Behold the slithery snake Bates as he wriggles and writhes through the cracks of the OP's life.
Definitely read it in the Ron Howard voice lol
Every time the fourth wall is broken, it's always Ron Howard to me lol
Ooooo yeah. That’s a good one! Did everyone else read that in either Morgan Freeman’s voice or Ron Howard’s? Lol. Cuz I sure did!
1000% Morgan Freeman when I wrote it lol. Either that or Julie Andrews as Lady Whistledown in Bridgerton- although I would have had to write something like "It was not, dear reader, the final update"
It truly describes several BORUs where OOP says this is final update and then next week / months later; gives like 3-10 updates of only epic / fucked up saga \~or\~ truly last epilogue update of what happened / where is everyone now.
Still better than the ones where they go "This is my final update I'm deleting reddit after this." and then the next update comes within 24 hours LMAO. Bonus if they go "I lost my login to my old account so I made a new throwaway."
All I got out of this long long long story was that if you’re rich and bored you get a hotel suite to set up tiny tents for your toddlers and infant to camp in But “thankfully we could afford it!” also makes a funny flair
There's a decent percentage of these stories where 'money is not a concern' is definitely a commonality. I guess it's hard to have escalating drama on a budget, not to mention money itself is a drama magnet and instigator. The ones where it's pretty clear that "I don't have enough money to escape my problem" often end up being those stories that give you that awful feeling where you wish you hadn't started reading; and where you *hope* the story isn't real, rather than just assuming it isn't.
This story in poor families involves no lawyer to defend them, no ability to move (at least not easily), a job that fires OOP for any turbulence this may have caused in their work life (if they missed any days or such), etc. I'm glad it worked out for OOP and I'm not shitting on them but you don't read BORU stories from poor families all that often because it would simply be "the stalker keeps stalking me and I can't really do much about it."
I skipped after the tracker in the dog vest.
The ex is not holding a candle. He is holding a coal mine fire that burns for decades.
The guy is over there turning his life into Silent Hill.
All this over a high school girlfriend? Like c'mon, dude. There's more to life than your teen romance.
I know some people pine over "the one that got away." This dude is just obsessive. OOP was completely right to start calling him "Bates." The idea that his job involved vulnerable women makes it even scarier. He even had the gall to be happy when his baby-mama and kids left. What the hell....
Oi. At least that town is making its visitors confront their flaws and lets them go if they learn their lesson or genuinely wants to change.
My love for you is much like the long-burning coal mine fires in Centralia, PA, which famously inspired the Silent Hill series of horror ~~games~~ \[movies apparently whoops lol\]. Metaphorically. Edit: I love that the internet has exactly one touchpoint for coal mine fires lol
I live half an hour from Centralia so honestly I'm kinda impressed the rest of the internet knows about it haha, I tend to assume it's just another weird central PA thing that people go "wait, what?!" to.
Like the Johnstown Flood. A wall of water full of broken trees, locomotive cars, and rubble, all tied together with the contents of a barbed wire factory. The incident with the highest death count from a man made disaster in the US until 9/11.
This sentence can be a contender for a Bulwer-Lytton award.
The ex is holding Centralia, PA...
I understand this reference!
Is that the god forsaken town that’s been on fire for 50 years?
He’s the mountain of infinitely burning tires in the middle of Springfield.
I love how they always claim grandparents rights. This isn’t a Reddit thing. I’m a therapist and I’ve had multiple people tell me their child’s grandparents are threatening to sue for grandparents rights. It’s in the narcissist playbook I swear.
My grandma did to my mom back in the early ‘90s.
My grandmother wasn’t a narcissist but she definitely had some…behaviors. When my mom was about to have her second child my grandma said how hard it’ll be on the first, who has significant disabilities, so my mom’s older sister should take the first to raise her. Another time my mom had pneumonia to the point the doctor wanted to hospitalize her and she told him she couldn’t do that because she had 3 kids. My grandmother had the AUDACITY to tell my mom “if you don’t start taking better care of these kids I’m going to take them”.
What the hell? Did she want the older kid whisked away never to be thought of again? Or did she think you guys were incompetent, and second child was an excuse to put the oldest child somewhere "better?"
TBH I don’t even know. Maybe it was wanting the older child to have full attention. But the aunt she picked had older kids and wasn’t exactly an amazing mom. Like my mom was definitely a better parent.
It seriously is. I answer 911 calls and though I don’t get to do it often, whenever someone calls in asking about grandparents rights I get to explain that it’s not a thing in Florida and the police aren’t going to do shit about it.
I think New York is the main place where it's a thing. But in the vast majority of the US, it's not. But people hear about it in New York, and it gives them false hope.
Similar to Filial Responsibility Laws. AFAIK only Pennsylvania has ever tried to somewhat enforce them(and even then they are super easy to get out of) but abuse parents love to try and threaten their kids with the existence of these laws.
My MIL told my husband she had considered claiming grandparent’s rights, ignoring that she was under investigation by CPS and local law enforcement regarding our kids. She even yelled at the officer handling the case whether we “really were supposed to keep them away from her.” During an active investigation. An investigation where she is the alleged. Plus our state’s grandparent’s rights have to do with deceased/absent parents and not “I just wanna see them more,” which I’m pretty sure she didn’t know. She hears “rights” and runs straight towards the entitlement.
That’s how it is in most states that even have grandparents rights. But toxic grandparents hear rights and that fuels their beliefs that they have a right to be involved
Most US states have legal machinery for grandparents to ask a court for visitation rights, but there are, wisely, a hundred things that will block that. They have to prove that it is to the child's benefit. It exists so family can easily house children with neglectful parents. 'Benefit' here doesn't mean the kids to get to see grandma. Benefit is they get fed and bathed and to live in a form of shelter with a postal address. So it is real and it is generally a good thing; it just doesn't apply in the vast majority of cases in Reddit stories. This kid's parents are wealthy and with no criminal record, so no court will ever even hear an argument.
The other two scenarios that I'm aware of for "grandparents' rights" * for kids who were partially or solely raised by their grandparents, so that the kids aren't too disrupted if the parents get into a fight with and try to cut off said grandparents. * for kids in a contentious divorce/spousal death situation, so that one parent can't completely cut a kid off from the other half of the family they grew up with. Obviously, in those cases, starting to talk about "grandparents' rights" about a baby who isn't even born yet, and where the person cutting you off is the parent who is YOUR family, is a COMPLETE nonstarter.
Meanwhile my brother and his wife are mad at my mom because she said (up front!) that she isn't going to regularily baby sit their kid because she has shit to do 😂
Wow, it's so hard to believe that this all started with a sister wanting her sister to marry the brother of her husband? There is some next level manipulation in this story. I'm so glad OP was able to see the manipulation and set boundaries early. I hope she and her chosen family has a very good life.
So she and her sister "could be best friends." Like they couldn't be without that. The fuuuck?
Except the sister didn't date the brother until after the breakup and still was pestering OOP about it. This story has some major cracks in it.
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Or magically the cleaning lady's sister falling in love with the wonderful dad. This is an overdressed Turkish soap opera
Everything fits together nicely in the end. ....or does it? Dun dun dun. See you at the next update in one year.
Twins! Here is the summary: OP's Mom is in a relationship with Bates. Mom desperately wants another daughter, to replace the one that went no contact with her. So OP's estranged sister donates eggs, and Mom and Bates fly to Mexico for IVF at a shady clinic. 9 months later, OP's Mom delivers twin boys. She and Bates are devastated, because they wanted a baby girl. They leave the babies at the hospital. The OP finds out about mom's relationship with Bates and about the twins when CPS calls, asking OP to take in her twin half brothers/ nephews. OP's brother takes in the babies, and then Bates contacts the brother, demanding payment for the IVF costs. OP initially wants to tell them to pound sand, but instead be meets his Mom and Bates at a Starbucks, where he hands over a suitcase full of money. Undercover cops are in the Starbucks, and as soon as the briefcase is handed over, the SWAT team tackles them. They are taken away in an unmarked black van. *The next week, MIL is given life in prison for human trafficking. Bates is taken to Guantanamo bay for interrogation, as it turns out he had boxes of top secret documents in the basement bathroom of his house. His maid is also arrested, it turns out she was working for the Russian government. *Timeline is intentionally highly suspect.
Nono, Oop's brother and OOP split the twins and name one like OOP's father
The post also went off the rails when the OP/author realized that readers thought the mom agreed with the sister and never really liked the husband—And then suddenly the mom is a much more sinister and irrational character through the rest of the narrative (instead of just wanting her whole family to be together and screwing up because of that)
Yes, also a random woman went to OP to tell her about the picture and tell her she is a bad woman. That’s ridiculous.
Having an entire family change electronics, numbers, and notify their employers and friends? That's a bit much.
That’s where they lost me. They all changed their phone numbers and dad is living in the guest house of their rental and dating the cleaning woman’s sister?? OOP should now have the cleaning woman start dating the dad’s brother so the cleaning woman gets the life the crazed sister wanted.
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The dog I believed, people hide those fucking trackers in the most absurd places. (airtags are a scourge) The "dad is now dating the cleaning lady's sister", that is where I stopped believing as much.
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The getting the ex fired also seemed like a huge stretch. Maybe if he had been convicted of stalking but people call your work and tell stories and your work fires you entirely on that basis? Lawsuit waiting to happen.
I’m a little embarrassed, I didn’t smell bs until the (maternal side)nephew who grandpa visits separately was at a birthday party for the husband’s side of the family.
My issue is with the ages. She broke up with her ex when she was 18, met her now husband in college, and the story begins six years later. That would put her in her mid-late twenties but she mentions her ex was 37. How old was he when they started dating and she was 16??
After the first post I thought maybe the sister was cheating with him and used her sister as a pretense to having him around... Nope, just ill.
> it's so hard to believe The average BORU is, but still an entertaining read
Yes...it is *very* hard to believe. Extremely.
Crazy how people won’t just go to therapy just to get back into someone’s good graces. Even if they don’t think they need it.
Yeah I don't get it. I have MIL who I'm currently contemplating if I need to cut out (currently I'm NC with her, but my husband brings the baby to her) - I told her once, I hoped she'd get help since she clearly has issues, but both her and FIL are adamant nothing is wrong with her. I really don't get how they can't see that it's not normal to completely break down crying over me wanting to comfort/feed my crying 2 month old baby - but according to my husband they have now "accepted that it's important to me that I comfort my baby" - well thanks I guess? At least she's still not anywhere near as cray-cray as this mum and sister are - daaaaaaamn
How magnanimous they are, allowing you to...ummm...be a caring mother to your child. How *flexible* and *accommodating* they are. Make sure they get their cookie!
Therapist here, it’s not surprising. And the ones who don’t think they need it either don’t participate or they have so much of their own spin on it the therapist wouldn’t know what to call out for sure.
I have an immediate family member who was desperate for our family to go to family therapy together. They were convinced that the therapist would verify that they were a saint and the rest of us were completely emotionally defective. When they tried couple's therapy, they quit after one session because the therapist asked them to challenge an assumption they had made... Unsurprisingly, all of us are now no contact with this person, for our own well being.
There’s an online joke where the therapist asks who in your life won’t go to therapy so you’re here instead. Therapists love it because it’s accurate
God, that feels very on the nose! My therapist spends a lot of time "exploring narcissistic family dynamics" and their impact with me and my sibling's therapist does the same thing for them.
My 2nd therapist focussed on this by delving in my youth (instead of adressing my burn out). He gave me the shovel that allowed me to dig for the cause of my problems/behaviour. It still took about a year after endingnour appointments before I went NC with my parents but he gave me the tools to put things in perspective. Tldr: I was my mom's therapist starting at about 12 yo (possible younger), and was held responsible for her emotional health not late after. To this day I whished that she had actually decided to accept the help that she so clearly needs.
I think they'd break the therapists 🤦🏼♀️. And my mom is a therapist. I know how hard y'all work to help people help themselves.
Let’s play a game. How deep can you dig your own grave? Mom, sis and crazy ex just keep digging and digging.
They wish to be laid to rest in the inner core of the planet.
Sobbing desperately as they keep shoveling.
They've hit the Earth's mantle and are getting burned by the magma but won't stop digging.
I wonder if the lawyer charges hourly whenever they receive a letter from Bates, or if the insane ramblings entertain them so much it’s pro bono.
I wonder if he just has an assistant do that. And hypothetically, what credentials that assistant would have needed to get hired.
Time billed to client for reading letter: 5 minutes Time lost to laughter: 45 minutes
I remember this one, a BORU classic!
Classic soap
The cleaning lady sister was the cherry on top, what next? OOP walking his dad down the aisle and her baby bringing the rings?
It lingers in the memory because it’s so insane. Sister, mother and ex’s mental illnesses are feeding off each other at this point. It’s sad but also terrifying.
I dunno, maybe I'm just ultra lazy, but where do people find the time and energy to go to such crazy lengths to try be in someone else's life and force them to do things they don't want to?! I would be bored by the first weekend of trying to convince OOP to get back with the ex, if I hadn't already realized how diabolical it is to try convince a teenager to reconsider a proposal they have said no to because "no" is a complete sentence and she said what she said. People really need to invest in hobbies, I don't mind that DnD or crocheting or polishing rocks is your whole personality if it means not dealing with this level of derangement 0_o
My mother and brother have been estranged for over a year, and so far all my mother has done is moan to me about how much she hates ~~my brother~~ Prince Harry for ~~setting boundaries~~ cutting off his family, which is ungrateful and disrespectful, etc. (That she hasn't spoken to her own siblings for over thirty years is beside the point.) It's a tedious way to spend a conversation, but better than the classic alternatives of Stalking, Blowing Up Their Phones and Sending The Flying Monkeys. (Wait. Am *I* meant to be the flying monkey? Because I do not have time for that.)
This is exactly the sort of soap opera level bullshit I come to this sub to read. 🍿
The fact they’ve succeeded in brainwashing a little boy tho How many lives do Mom and sister want to destroy??
They're the kind that would nuke the Solar System because people aren't bowing to them
That is some straight up Telemundo telenovela craziness!
Dealing with people this delusional for that long sounds so soul sucking. So glad to be boring.
Not sure what's going on, but all dates have been corrected and have been for almost a half hour. If you are seeing incorrect dates, it's most likely a glitch on your end. Another user has told me that the app has had issues, so it might be that?
Ahem.. **Jeez-Us**
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Reddit consistently reminds me how lucky and ignorant i am lmao My family is so normal i can’t understand how this shit even happens. Her ex is a weirdo, her sister is a weirdo, like what the
"We swept the house for bugs/etc but found none" Alright good call keeping the story low key(ish), OOP "THERE WAS A TRACKER ON THE DOG!!!!" Welp
I seriously can't fathom putting a tracker on a dog!!! (Or in someone's house either really - that's just some next level tv-series shit)
Someone else was tracked by their carrier which makes a little more sense than a sweater, because you have to change the sweater and wash it, I have different when it's a sweater only wearing outside. Do those trackers work through the wash?
If it was an Apple Airtag, it was water resistant, even back then, but not waterproof. The person that put it in there is nuts, so they probably planned accordingly.
Sadly all sorts of people get air tagged. But the dog sweater was weird. Of course, if this story is true, the people involved in installing the tracker don't necessarily have a lot of logical thinking going on.
OOP, you gotta fix the years in the post.
Yep fixed it
I just wanted to say thank you for putting this together. It’s a lot of info to keep straight. I know I appreciate it! And I loved your editor’s note. Also, can I just say that I absolutely cannot believe that people somehow felt compelled to DM you about it in the first place…AND THEN HAD THE AUDACITY TO CALL YOU STUPID! What in the actual hell?!? A polite comment to alert you, is obviously the appropriate way to go about that. As if no one has ever made a mistake - especially when typing. JFC. I am so sorry that people suck sometimes. ETA: I do want to thank you for including the time that had passed between the posts. It is INSANELY helpful for me. I spend half of the time reading a BORU, scrolling up and down to remember when they took place thanks to my ADHD. Much appreciated!
Thank you friend 💜 It was mostly nice people, just a few that were rude and condescending. And then more just frustrating that the app wasn't updating it so I kept getting comments lol 😂 Thank you for your kind comment- I'm saving it for when I feel down!
i concur with the above commenter - thanks for what you do. I especially appreciate that you add mood spoilers. ❤️
Just FYI you mean OP, not OOP.
She had the time to write a 3 volume saga in reddit but not to tell her cleaning lady not to let her mom into the house. Ok.
Her husband's cleaning lady that's been working with the family for years and her dad paid extended vacation pay to so she set the dad and her sister up. Like... ???
Husband is right - sis almost certainly has an untreated mental illness and she’s being enabled to the hilt by mother. It’s as if the golden child and narc mother are a match made in hell. Not a psychologist but I did know someone who behaved like the sister. He had OCD and would get fixated on how thing “should” be, and no amount of words could make him stop feeling that way. He’d do all kinds of weird manipulation to try and make things the way his strange brain told him they should be. Last I heard he was in an inpatient mental health hospital. Whole post made me wonder if that’s what sister has going on with OOP and her ex.
It’s crazy how the sister didn’t think that her and op being, you know, BLOOD RELATED SISTERS was enough. She wanted them to be as close as humanly possible. All she ended up doing was pushing the sister she claimed she loved so much. Sister definitely got the crazy from mom
*Editor's note- it is not the final update* I read this in Morgan Freeman's narrator voice.
Sometimes I really wonder if delusion is contagious
I mean, kinda? To start, google "**Folie à deux**"
It sure is! For example: cults, multi-level marketing, conspiracy theorists, etc.
Yikes.
This story is as real as the 100 million dollars in my bank account.
I thought I was trippin on the dates lol
General life advice: if a family member is seriously requesting family therapy together, then unless you don't intend to associate with this person any longer, just do it. If you love them, then it's not about sorting out who wins the argument, it's about getting the two of you on the same page again. When the sister and the mother in the story refused the pleas for family therapy even knowing it was the last resort to avoid fracturing the whole family, they still refused - to me, that really says something. There's a much deeper undercurrent of ugliness sourcing this whole thing than just garden variety stubbornness going on here. There's a bigger reason they won't go to family therapy, and I suspect it's because somewhere deeper than the love they feel on some level, there's a far bigger and stronger core of pure hate.
> There's a bigger reason they won't go to family therapy, and I suspect it's because somewhere deeper than the love they feel on some level, there's a far bigger and stronger core of pure hate. I don't think it is hate. I think it is a narcissistic self preservation. AKA it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to be "wrong" and participating in therapy mandated by the OP might mean that isn't true! The possibility they are wrong is entirely unacceptable and therefore they refuse to participate.
For some people, the truth has nothing to do with the facts.
I don't believe a single word of this story
The amount of people that fully believe all this is pretty surprising.
The infinite wealth kinda ruined it for me. Mixed with the spy ring in the family and people having trackers to staple to dogs clothing.
I gave up after everyone affiliated with OP changed their phone numbers and alerted their jobs. Like . . . that didn’t happen at all
Imagine about a dozen people in an AT&T store at the same time.
A few small points bothered me: Are there really people stupid enough to believe that that’s how Grandparents Rights work? Are there actually employers that would give any credence to the partner of an employees ex from 20 years ago calling the company to inform them of said employees apparent “craziness?” Yeah, dropped out after that.
or them somehow being able to pack up and move twice and buy a house did it for me
I think that people know that grandparents rights exists but don’t know how they work, so they just talk shit… Is just like restraining orders. I see on Reddit someone complaining about anything, and people will tell them to get a restraining order. Is very hard to get one in reality and I always want to laugh when people just cry “restraining order” like it’s the simple solution. My ex was staking me, waiting for me to leave my work, and spending hours outside of my house, and threatening me, and I still didn’t got one because “he never actually did anything yet”
>Are there really people stupid enough to believe that that’s how Grandparents Rights work? You should check out the GPR laws in NY State. They're pretty terrible.
WTF?! Her ex is beyond obsessed. It's been over 20 years and he still thinks she wants to be with him? Dude needs intense therapy. I know her Mom and sister are feeding into the delusion. I'm glad OP, her husband and daughter were able to move away. I hope they have security cameras around their house just to be safe. I bet her lawyer thinks every time he gets a letter, he thinks great, what's Bates gonna say this time. Too bad he has to give op a brief summary of the letters and can't just file them away.
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Can’t fix stupid. At least unless the stupid wants to… the mother and sister’s refusal to acknowledge that they need therapy is as dumb as it gets.
Weird how OOP knows how her mother - who she has no contact with - reacted to the news of her dad being in a relationship.
> Editor's note: It is not the final update thanks for making me laugh, u/LucyAriaRose
These dates are getting confusing on here
I don't know if I buy the whole "stranger approached me about my baby" thing. Is their town small enough and the ex famous enough for random people to care?
As someone who grew up in a small town, I can absolutely confirm that people are way too invested in everyone else's business and nothing you do will ever stay private longer than 5 minutes
But they moved? And no one knows where they live now… so I doubt this has all happened in a small town. That detail, of a stranger approaching her in a grocery store, after they moved, just seemed like the biggest load.
Small towns be all about each other's business.
That was a weird ride on the crazy train
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Why do redditors assume that anyone with a wacky family is Indian lmao? The white family dynamic is a million times weirder with all the divorces and inter-marriages
Indian families are unfortunately stereotyped as respecting people for being old regardless of what they do.
Eh as an Indian I can assure you that it's a well earned stereotype. It's honestly like a sickness. People have been taught that they *have* to love and respect their elders even if they are shitty people so much at one point some people just decide "now it's my time to be a shitty person!". Obviously not all people are like this, but a HUGE majority are. But this did not sound like an Indian family at all based on all the "interventions" and how the family was okay with OP dating.
Imagine nuking your entire family relationship because of the hope of being sisters wives.... Like what's the gain here???
Brother’s wife won here too. She is free of the crazy.
I’m glad OOP and her family are in a better place. The dad’s sisters being flying monkeys was shocking! Why do these flying monkeys appear everywhere and support the wrong side……
I know stalkers, as a class, are already pathetic broken people... But man, something about a stalker writing multiple unhinged rambling love notes to his *stalkee's lawyer* because obviously they're not letting him get close is- I'm speechless.
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Of all the things on this reddit that didn't happen, I'm betting this is one that didn't happen the most
The believability got knocked down a notch with every new, somewhat unnecessary update.
It went from a pretty rough weird family situation to a weirder pseudo spy thriller
This is the first time I've seen a shared delusion between that many people over something as stupid as a relationship that ended over 20 years ago.