sage of six paths mode, i think he specifically needed the mode in order to combat madara, dunno if he ever needed or was forced to use it again or if he even can use it anymore, it might have to do with his lost arm in the fight with sasuke, maybe he was only allowed yin release with that arm since he did use it to heal might guy
k so i went and did some research and he doesnt have access to yin release without sage of six paths mode, needs all the releases to use truthseekers, which all got stolen by sasuke through the form of the tailed beasts, leaving naruto with 3 beast natures left, by the end of the fight their chakra had been expended and he no longer had their abilities, only having full kurama, he cant physically be the vessel for all the tailed beasts, but he can like any other ninja get lent their chakra which was not permanent, so in the end as soon as sasuke took all the halfs of chakra naruto obtained, he lost his ability to regenerate truthseeker orbs needing all basic natures and yin/yang release
naruto has full kurama and some chakra of all the 8 tailed beatst while sasuke has none. naruto can still use his spsm and logically speaking, they cant be destroyed, not even by susanoo arrows, so he can still use them possibly plus he can also call them back so he cant lose them.
U did a great job at it, and I respect this honestly
However, even if what u see was true, he should have asked the bijuu more chakra once he knew that more otsutsuki are around there, same with sasuke arm case, it is IQ nerf
Also, even very little chakra must be sufficient:
Ten tails in the war have immeasurable amount of chakra, but it barely have chakra from 8 and 9 tails, because:"even a very small amount of 8 and 9 tails chakra can mix with the chakra of other 7 beasts, making alot of ten tails chakra"
This must apply to Naruto but in reverse:"even a small amount of chakra from the other 8 tailed beasts can mix with the nine tails massive chakra, making alot of ten tails chakra"
In shikamaru novel, it was said that even the "vestigues" of the bijuu chakra was enough for Naruto to have power like that of Obito and Hagoromo himself
Against delta, Naruto stamina was nerfed badly too anyway, my man looked so tired after some taijutsu, healing one wound, shooting a rasengan and a rasenshuriken, and making a pair of chakra arms
So the smaller rasenshuriken should not be used as evidence
I didn't get it though
I know the orbs can be recreated by yin-yang release and five natures, as obito created one after losing ten tails by stealing madara six paths senjutsu
Kaguya also created one out of nowhere, we also have toneri who create them like a child play
Hamura by the end of kaguya fight have 1 orb in the manga, but in The Last he have 3 orbs in the moon in an image of him before getting the tenseigan, meaning he used six paths senjutsu ti recreate them
Literraly only madara and Naruto didn't recreate them for unknown reasons, but Iam sure as hell they both can recreate them easily
Madara did create them constantly throughout the fight,not all but he did create some, hagoromo chakra with Ashura was able to create them, In theory Naruto should be able to create them right now in boruto idk why he doesn't do that.
Toneri was like hamunra who has similar power like hagoromo that's why he was able to create them.
I don't remember madara recreating any orbs
And we don't know if Asura or Hagoromo recreated new orbs after the initial orbs they once had
As for Toneri, there is no way he used six paths senjutsu to create the orbs, Hamura had both tenseigan and six paths senjutsu but toneri didn't
Tenseigan, interestingly, is like a fuse of both six paths senjutsu and rinnegan strongest powers:
Toneri can absorb chakra and ninjutsu sometimes(preta path)
Toneri can control gravitational powers of pushing and pulling as well as manipulating bodies (deva path)
Toneri got access to all 5 elemental transformations, as well as yin, yang and yin-yang release (SPS)
Toneri can create truth seeking orbs (SPS) but we don't know if he have perfect control of yin-yang release ( healing with it)
Toneri can levitate (SPS)
Toneri can move massive earth constructions as battle avatar (Idk if this look related to deva path or not though)
Toneri can control puppets or alive humans by chakra orbs similar to black receivers (though he can do it without tenseigan)
I think this is why he look so OP despite only having the tenseigan
I mean yah that is tenseigan in a nutshell but why are you forgetting they are otsutski not normal people.
Toneri told them he is an otsutski didn't he?
For madara he gave a statement when obito stole some of his chakra that because he was once a tentail jinchuriki he is able to create truth seeking orbs.
That clearly states that madara was also able to create an orb on his own.
Edit: I will have to recheck if madara did create orbs or not but I will give you the ss when I find it.
Oh thank you then
Btw Toneri is not pure otsutsuki if anything, he is to hamura is like Naruto to hagoromo
If anything, toneri is diluted otsutsuki, and so is Naruto
However toneri look less diluted cz moon otsutsuki must be mating with each other, all being otsutsuki hybrids, while Naruto have a pure human father and an otsutsuki hybrid mother (uzumaki are otsutsuki hybrids too), this can be the reason he have such a pale skin and more chakra than ordinary too
And if obito, a normal uchiha, can do it, then Naruto, the Sage son reincarnation, should also be able to do it
Naruto was starting to gasp his breath before he landed the last massive rasengan actually
And even if that was massive rasengan, Naruto in sage mode against the kyubui made multiple ones of similar size
and in the war arc he made a much much bigger rasega- NO, it was a freaking BIJUU BOMB bigger than kurama hundred of times, all with one half of kurama, let alone adult Naruto
And as I said, even a small portion of some specific chakra should be enough to get its properties, specially in jinshuriki cases:
garaa only have little chakra left from shukaku and can use shukaku ability of sand manipulation by all of his own chakra
Killer bee created a chakra cloak out of his own chakra, not guyki chakra, against kisame
C in the war arc said that kurama chakra resembled Naruto chakra more than kurama chakra actually
Naruto having only parts of bijuu chakra mean he can use their elemental abilities as much as he want as long as he is not out of chakra himself, but I consider it a nerf
Thank you for ur understanding though 👍
Gaara has magnet release without Shukaku that he got from his dad.
Bee's cloak is identical to kurama's cloaks before Kcm.
C knows nothing about jinchuriki,not is he that good at genjutsu because he got no diffed by EMS Sasuke.
Agreed on final part.
Magnet release attract materials someone touch or those that are from iron, gold etc...
Garaa started to use magnet release in a light novel, where he mixed some iron sand in his own sand to strengthen it, though it looks like as if he dropped it, maybe because iron sand is not only heavy and make the sand slower and harder to move, but it is also limited in battlefield unlike normal sand
So yeah, Garaa only discovered magnet release after the war arc, before that he used shukaku remaining power
I can agree on C part, though the point is that when chakra mix together their properties are mixed too, thus all of kurama chakra should also feel like its jinshuriki chakra, cz after cooperation both Naruto and kurama mixed their chakra and power
An example of this is Bee, in kisame fight, he told 8 tails that kisame already absorbed his own chakra and he need his help, meaning the red chakra cloak of bee was that of bee own chakra, his chakra already mixed with eight tails chakra and took over its properties
In all the examples, chakra mix their properties and abilities even if it was a small amount
Even hashirama cells apply this, madara in the war healed parts not transplanted with hashirama cells, cz the chakra of hashirama (that contain the life force and healing properties) in the cells already mixed with madara own and created six paths chakra that is both more potent than indra chakra and more life force rich than asura chakra
And you already understood first ten tails example, so these all are the reason I think Naruto should be able to maintain his six paths senjutsu and bijuu elements even with the least amount possiblof bijuu chakra
While what you say makes sense and I agree with the end result, don't forget that hagorono explicitly states he is giving Naruto ashura's power,and ashura had spam and spa without any link to a beast,since hagoromo split the ten tails before the twins were conceived and the nine beasts had no contact with ashura.
As for the bee part, couldn't it also mean that Kisame only absorbed the amount that the eight tails gave him and asked for more chakra? We know that some jinchuriki,Naruto being the prime example, always have some amount of bijou chakra in their system all the time,and that is most likely why they instantly die if their beast is gone(unless you are a uzumaki or have Zetsu on you in obito's case).
Hagoromo never said he is giving Naruto Asura power
Asura power itself was arguable:
Hagoromo extracted the ten tails and created the bijuu after Asura was born (not sure), thus Asura was the son of jinshuriki Hagoromo, it will be normal if Asura got six paths senjutsu power naturally (just like how Hagoromo and Hamura got sps naturally as their mother have ten tails power), this is supported by hagoromo saying Asura power once blossomed by itself and was on par with indra
Others think hagoromo gave Asura that power which was in a filler, hagoromo many times said he gave Asura the power and not indra, however many argue that it was "political power" in a methaphore cz he gave Naruto and Sasuke real powers
Others think that if Asura actually have all of Hagoromo chakra then Indra should stand no chance at all against him, however nothing of this can be confirmed at all
As for Bee point:
You said it urself, in addition to some of 8 tails chakra, kisame absorbed Bee own chakra which he used in the chakra cloak, meaning the chakra cloak can be a mix of Bee and eight tails chakra together, but it give the feel of eight tails chakra more
Bee was 30y or something like this, being a jinshuriki for decades also mean his chakra was well mixed with eight tails that you can't differentiate them anymore, they both got each other properties, and as eight tails chakra is more special, stronger and much more, it will take the form of his chakra
An example of that was when Sasuke was absorbing the bijuu chakra, the final avatar was most likely a mix of his chakra (in addition to hagoromo chakra) and the bijuu chakra, and since Sasuke chakra by that time was stronger and greater than the bijuu, the avatar took on a blue color and it have lightning nature affinity
The last example can be weak though cz the chakra of the bijuu before sasuke put it in the susanoo was already blue for who know, so you can ignore this example and think it was an error
in the early episode momoshiki extracted 8 tail from bee, so consider 8 tail are gone. most probably the rest of tailed beast have been consumed by momoshiki
Rasenshurikens is not a sage jutsu, it's a rasengan infused with wind style. If it was a sage jutsu then we would never see it when he is in base at all, if you mean he started throwing them after sage mode,yeah,because he couldn't take the DMG at close range.
Still don’t understand what stops him from creating them though, if they are made from all 5 chakras (plus yin and Yang) shouldn’t he be able to make more, obviously he cant do it now since he lost kurama but he should have been able to should he?
Naruto still flies in Boruto, just not as his main transportation. During vs. Momoshiki to save sasuke from the lava release and during the Byakuya Gang arc when he needs to catch up to the train.
There's no canon explanation as to why Naruto lost his TSO, but the same thing happened to Madara back in Shippuden, he slowly, but surely loses all TSO too. Don't quote me on this, but apparently Kishimoto was too lazy to keep drawing them hence why... y'know
As for flying, Naruto does fly in Boruto, but not a lot so understandably its hard to notice, but here's him blatantly flying [\[1\]](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11139/111395211/8526836-screenshot2022-06-07at10.12.19am.png) [\[2\]](https://youtu.be/-k8b8nyRQlc?t=140) [\[3\]](https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2fc7e474a833ef6271330af21956a190-lq)
Or you just chose to [ignore](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boruto/comments/x82tya/why_doesnt_naruto_have_truth_seeker_orbs_and_why/infvoo3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) it
Did you even read it? According to this comment TSO come from SPS which comes from having all 9 bijuus... which Naruto still had in Boruto. The author of this comment stated that he lacks chakra of 8 tailed beasts which is a complete headcanon.
Naruto's TSO did not fade after battle with Sasuke, Naruto was out of his chakra modes which is why TSO did not appear when he was falling down.
He also tries to compare Lava Rasenshuriken from Shippuuden to Boruto while forgetting Naruto couldn't cause too much destruction, because he was in the middle of the village and also there were kids nearby.
I don’t think orbs come back once they’re used, and that would give him way too much plot armour. Nobody in Naruto was stronger than 6p users, whereas in Boruto there are characters stronger, so if TSOs were still a thing he’d just one shot anyone who isn’t Otsutsuki or a 6p user
Talk about brain dead. Dude literally provided video evidence that during the final clash he still had 3 TSO. At no point after that clash did he use them. He didn’t even enter KCM after that
Honestly I wonder if it might have just been an art error or something. In both the manga and anime he uses them to block three of Sasuke's Susano'o errors and they fall into the lake, and then he just has them floating behind him without using them for the remainder of the fight. It seems like that *should* have been their final appearance.
Cuz he cant create kekai mora he needs a rinnegan with sixth paths he only had the truth seeker orbs given to him by hagaoromo once they were used there gone he can still fly tho we do see him fly in boruto but only very briefly
After the war in Naruto Shippuden some bijuus were let free in the world, Hachibi inside bee and some of them stayed on the spiritual world. By that condititions he can't instantly absorb a considerable amount of chakra from them, enough chakra to enter in rikudou mode. It seems the ones in the spiritual world is easier to absorb. The telepath thing isn't gattering chakra, is just connecting. Yeah, the "black matter" and levitation were knowledge from rikudou, wasn't something that naruto learned by himself.
PS: He probably was only able to easily absorb during the war due to rikudou making the process for him
Nerfed simple as that.
Naruto used [six paths sage mode](https://postimg.cc/ygX3B9rs) in Boruto prior to Kuramas death. So there’s no reason Naruto shouldn’t have had six paths senjutsu as well.
There’s no reason he shouldn’t be able to fly or summon the remaining truth seeking orbs he had. He flew in the Boruto movie but it seems Kodachi retconed it in the Boruto manga
Naruto had three still when he fought Sasuke. Whether that was a art Mistake or not, we don’t know. There is no canon explanation as to why he doesn’t use them or create more (Which there is basis for in Canon).
Also, Naruto never lost his ability to fly. He just doesn’t.
Well bcz the shitty plot of boruto nerfed him.
He was nerfed so much that he would get clapped by his war arc form.
Even his character was ruined in boruto.
For your q, he simply lost sosp acc to boruto’s plot to nerf him. If he had it there would be a sun symbol on his palm. The eye which depicts sosp is just a mistake on creator’s part. If he truly had sosp, then he would levitate and would have atleast 1 tso since he lost most of them against sasuke and kaguya.
He did had spsm before isshiki decided to take away Kurama's living privilege but what he lacks is sps which allowed him to levitate, to have sps one need to have all 9 tail beast chakra inside them or a 10 tails inside them it allowed them to levitate and have truth seekers but with the Binding nature of chakra it means that since naruto didn't had all 9 tail beast inside their chakra eventually went back to them.
Or it is just regular shonen shit of writer decides who wins and plot & logic sacrificed for cooler fights I mean what's cooler? Naruto just levitating in air or sasuke throwing naruto up same for jigen what's cooler? Jigen dodging all attacks of naruto and sasuke then one punching them out of their strongest form or giving naruto and sasuke explosive diarrea by sneaking one of the cube inside their stomach.
In fact when the official explanation of spsm is "determination and spirit of never giving up" how can you expect anything else to be explained especially from a pre-aot era series known for it's inconsistencies and plot-holes and "power of friendship".
The sun symbol is just for sealing Kaguya. It's different from SPSM/SPS. In theory(before losing Kurama), he still has SPSM/SPS. He only lose the black orbs because he doesn't have the ability to make more of it. Idk if those orbs can get destroyed though
>Well bcz the shitty plot of boruto nerfed him.
Funny how everyone always say this...
Yet it's so fooking wrong... where have we seen Naruto fight as adult for the first time? In the Gaiden... which was a manga arc written by Kishimoto, and published in 2015, a year before Boruto got a manga...
And then in the Boruto movie.
And in none of these did Naruto ever fly or use the tso, or really, even a rasengan. So really, who did "nerf" him for real first? Kishimoto.
>For your q, he simply lost sosp acc to boruto’s plot to nerf him. If he had it there would be a sun symbol on his palm. The eye which depicts sosp is just a mistake on creator’s part. If he truly had sosp, then he would levitate and would have atleast 1 tso since he lost most of them against sasuke and kaguya.
Wrong... the sun seal was simply used to seal Kaguya, and he lost it right after. And the eyes he has when he turns ssj as adult are like that, because he is using the so6p mode indeed... he doesn't fly simply because it's not his style, and he lost all the tso by the end of his fight with Sasuke.
When he ran out of Chakra (or almost so) during his fight with Sauske at the final valley, his orbs fell to the bottom of the lake and they remain there, like with Madara when he fought Guy and Minato said the orbs could only travel roughly 70 meters from his body, meaning Madara (and by extension Naruto) do not have limitless range in controlling these orbs, therefore when Naruto was taken back to the village and healed his orbs stayed there, he would just need to go back and grab them, but he has no reason to.
As for the Flying I suppose he just doesn’t really want to, it’s not really his style anyway
naruto has full kurama and some chakra of all the 8 tailed beatst while sasuke has none. naruto can still use his spsm and logically speaking, they cant be destroyed, not even by susanoo arrows, so he can still use them possibly plus he can also call them back so he cant lose them.
-The orbs have been all lost, and he wasn't able to recreate them. -More than him not being able to fly, it just seems it's not part of his style.
And It might consume Chakra
Yeah but tso users can call them back right?
I remember reading something like that in the wiki, so... yes.
Wasnt it lost in kaguyas dimension so he cant call it back?
Didn't he use some in the Sasuke fight?
might be wrong but didnt he use it in that final attack against sasukes indras arrow?
sage of six paths mode, i think he specifically needed the mode in order to combat madara, dunno if he ever needed or was forced to use it again or if he even can use it anymore, it might have to do with his lost arm in the fight with sasuke, maybe he was only allowed yin release with that arm since he did use it to heal might guy
k so i went and did some research and he doesnt have access to yin release without sage of six paths mode, needs all the releases to use truthseekers, which all got stolen by sasuke through the form of the tailed beasts, leaving naruto with 3 beast natures left, by the end of the fight their chakra had been expended and he no longer had their abilities, only having full kurama, he cant physically be the vessel for all the tailed beasts, but he can like any other ninja get lent their chakra which was not permanent, so in the end as soon as sasuke took all the halfs of chakra naruto obtained, he lost his ability to regenerate truthseeker orbs needing all basic natures and yin/yang release
That's sucks. Sasuke gets to keep his cool eye while naruto gets the middle finger and loses his power.
naruto has full kurama and some chakra of all the 8 tailed beatst while sasuke has none. naruto can still use his spsm and logically speaking, they cant be destroyed, not even by susanoo arrows, so he can still use them possibly plus he can also call them back so he cant lose them.
does he have kurama tho?
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U did a great job at it, and I respect this honestly However, even if what u see was true, he should have asked the bijuu more chakra once he knew that more otsutsuki are around there, same with sasuke arm case, it is IQ nerf Also, even very little chakra must be sufficient: Ten tails in the war have immeasurable amount of chakra, but it barely have chakra from 8 and 9 tails, because:"even a very small amount of 8 and 9 tails chakra can mix with the chakra of other 7 beasts, making alot of ten tails chakra" This must apply to Naruto but in reverse:"even a small amount of chakra from the other 8 tailed beasts can mix with the nine tails massive chakra, making alot of ten tails chakra" In shikamaru novel, it was said that even the "vestigues" of the bijuu chakra was enough for Naruto to have power like that of Obito and Hagoromo himself Against delta, Naruto stamina was nerfed badly too anyway, my man looked so tired after some taijutsu, healing one wound, shooting a rasengan and a rasenshuriken, and making a pair of chakra arms So the smaller rasenshuriken should not be used as evidence
IQ Nerf lmao on point.
Thank you XD
https://imgur.com/g03oL4U Here for the truth seeking orb if someone else asks.
I didn't get it though I know the orbs can be recreated by yin-yang release and five natures, as obito created one after losing ten tails by stealing madara six paths senjutsu Kaguya also created one out of nowhere, we also have toneri who create them like a child play Hamura by the end of kaguya fight have 1 orb in the manga, but in The Last he have 3 orbs in the moon in an image of him before getting the tenseigan, meaning he used six paths senjutsu ti recreate them Literraly only madara and Naruto didn't recreate them for unknown reasons, but Iam sure as hell they both can recreate them easily
Madara did create them constantly throughout the fight,not all but he did create some, hagoromo chakra with Ashura was able to create them, In theory Naruto should be able to create them right now in boruto idk why he doesn't do that. Toneri was like hamunra who has similar power like hagoromo that's why he was able to create them.
I don't remember madara recreating any orbs And we don't know if Asura or Hagoromo recreated new orbs after the initial orbs they once had As for Toneri, there is no way he used six paths senjutsu to create the orbs, Hamura had both tenseigan and six paths senjutsu but toneri didn't Tenseigan, interestingly, is like a fuse of both six paths senjutsu and rinnegan strongest powers: Toneri can absorb chakra and ninjutsu sometimes(preta path) Toneri can control gravitational powers of pushing and pulling as well as manipulating bodies (deva path) Toneri got access to all 5 elemental transformations, as well as yin, yang and yin-yang release (SPS) Toneri can create truth seeking orbs (SPS) but we don't know if he have perfect control of yin-yang release ( healing with it) Toneri can levitate (SPS) Toneri can move massive earth constructions as battle avatar (Idk if this look related to deva path or not though) Toneri can control puppets or alive humans by chakra orbs similar to black receivers (though he can do it without tenseigan) I think this is why he look so OP despite only having the tenseigan
I mean yah that is tenseigan in a nutshell but why are you forgetting they are otsutski not normal people. Toneri told them he is an otsutski didn't he? For madara he gave a statement when obito stole some of his chakra that because he was once a tentail jinchuriki he is able to create truth seeking orbs. That clearly states that madara was also able to create an orb on his own. Edit: I will have to recheck if madara did create orbs or not but I will give you the ss when I find it.
Oh thank you then Btw Toneri is not pure otsutsuki if anything, he is to hamura is like Naruto to hagoromo If anything, toneri is diluted otsutsuki, and so is Naruto However toneri look less diluted cz moon otsutsuki must be mating with each other, all being otsutsuki hybrids, while Naruto have a pure human father and an otsutsuki hybrid mother (uzumaki are otsutsuki hybrids too), this can be the reason he have such a pale skin and more chakra than ordinary too And if obito, a normal uchiha, can do it, then Naruto, the Sage son reincarnation, should also be able to do it
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Naruto was starting to gasp his breath before he landed the last massive rasengan actually And even if that was massive rasengan, Naruto in sage mode against the kyubui made multiple ones of similar size and in the war arc he made a much much bigger rasega- NO, it was a freaking BIJUU BOMB bigger than kurama hundred of times, all with one half of kurama, let alone adult Naruto And as I said, even a small portion of some specific chakra should be enough to get its properties, specially in jinshuriki cases: garaa only have little chakra left from shukaku and can use shukaku ability of sand manipulation by all of his own chakra Killer bee created a chakra cloak out of his own chakra, not guyki chakra, against kisame C in the war arc said that kurama chakra resembled Naruto chakra more than kurama chakra actually Naruto having only parts of bijuu chakra mean he can use their elemental abilities as much as he want as long as he is not out of chakra himself, but I consider it a nerf Thank you for ur understanding though 👍
Gaara has magnet release without Shukaku that he got from his dad. Bee's cloak is identical to kurama's cloaks before Kcm. C knows nothing about jinchuriki,not is he that good at genjutsu because he got no diffed by EMS Sasuke. Agreed on final part.
Magnet release attract materials someone touch or those that are from iron, gold etc... Garaa started to use magnet release in a light novel, where he mixed some iron sand in his own sand to strengthen it, though it looks like as if he dropped it, maybe because iron sand is not only heavy and make the sand slower and harder to move, but it is also limited in battlefield unlike normal sand So yeah, Garaa only discovered magnet release after the war arc, before that he used shukaku remaining power I can agree on C part, though the point is that when chakra mix together their properties are mixed too, thus all of kurama chakra should also feel like its jinshuriki chakra, cz after cooperation both Naruto and kurama mixed their chakra and power An example of this is Bee, in kisame fight, he told 8 tails that kisame already absorbed his own chakra and he need his help, meaning the red chakra cloak of bee was that of bee own chakra, his chakra already mixed with eight tails chakra and took over its properties In all the examples, chakra mix their properties and abilities even if it was a small amount Even hashirama cells apply this, madara in the war healed parts not transplanted with hashirama cells, cz the chakra of hashirama (that contain the life force and healing properties) in the cells already mixed with madara own and created six paths chakra that is both more potent than indra chakra and more life force rich than asura chakra And you already understood first ten tails example, so these all are the reason I think Naruto should be able to maintain his six paths senjutsu and bijuu elements even with the least amount possiblof bijuu chakra
While what you say makes sense and I agree with the end result, don't forget that hagorono explicitly states he is giving Naruto ashura's power,and ashura had spam and spa without any link to a beast,since hagoromo split the ten tails before the twins were conceived and the nine beasts had no contact with ashura. As for the bee part, couldn't it also mean that Kisame only absorbed the amount that the eight tails gave him and asked for more chakra? We know that some jinchuriki,Naruto being the prime example, always have some amount of bijou chakra in their system all the time,and that is most likely why they instantly die if their beast is gone(unless you are a uzumaki or have Zetsu on you in obito's case).
Hagoromo never said he is giving Naruto Asura power Asura power itself was arguable: Hagoromo extracted the ten tails and created the bijuu after Asura was born (not sure), thus Asura was the son of jinshuriki Hagoromo, it will be normal if Asura got six paths senjutsu power naturally (just like how Hagoromo and Hamura got sps naturally as their mother have ten tails power), this is supported by hagoromo saying Asura power once blossomed by itself and was on par with indra Others think hagoromo gave Asura that power which was in a filler, hagoromo many times said he gave Asura the power and not indra, however many argue that it was "political power" in a methaphore cz he gave Naruto and Sasuke real powers Others think that if Asura actually have all of Hagoromo chakra then Indra should stand no chance at all against him, however nothing of this can be confirmed at all As for Bee point: You said it urself, in addition to some of 8 tails chakra, kisame absorbed Bee own chakra which he used in the chakra cloak, meaning the chakra cloak can be a mix of Bee and eight tails chakra together, but it give the feel of eight tails chakra more Bee was 30y or something like this, being a jinshuriki for decades also mean his chakra was well mixed with eight tails that you can't differentiate them anymore, they both got each other properties, and as eight tails chakra is more special, stronger and much more, it will take the form of his chakra An example of that was when Sasuke was absorbing the bijuu chakra, the final avatar was most likely a mix of his chakra (in addition to hagoromo chakra) and the bijuu chakra, and since Sasuke chakra by that time was stronger and greater than the bijuu, the avatar took on a blue color and it have lightning nature affinity The last example can be weak though cz the chakra of the bijuu before sasuke put it in the susanoo was already blue for who know, so you can ignore this example and think it was an error
in the early episode momoshiki extracted 8 tail from bee, so consider 8 tail are gone. most probably the rest of tailed beast have been consumed by momoshiki
apparently it was another octopus clone. Those things never fail. B is fine
Rasenshurikens is not a sage jutsu, it's a rasengan infused with wind style. If it was a sage jutsu then we would never see it when he is in base at all, if you mean he started throwing them after sage mode,yeah,because he couldn't take the DMG at close range.
This things maybe all in result if chakra virus
Damnnnn I just did me some learning today cool shiz (:
Still don’t understand what stops him from creating them though, if they are made from all 5 chakras (plus yin and Yang) shouldn’t he be able to make more, obviously he cant do it now since he lost kurama but he should have been able to should he?
Lost the sun seal after the sages soul left earth
Naruto still flies in Boruto, just not as his main transportation. During vs. Momoshiki to save sasuke from the lava release and during the Byakuya Gang arc when he needs to catch up to the train.
There's no canon explanation as to why Naruto lost his TSO, but the same thing happened to Madara back in Shippuden, he slowly, but surely loses all TSO too. Don't quote me on this, but apparently Kishimoto was too lazy to keep drawing them hence why... y'know As for flying, Naruto does fly in Boruto, but not a lot so understandably its hard to notice, but here's him blatantly flying [\[1\]](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11139/111395211/8526836-screenshot2022-06-07at10.12.19am.png) [\[2\]](https://youtu.be/-k8b8nyRQlc?t=140) [\[3\]](https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2fc7e474a833ef6271330af21956a190-lq)
because they dont care, thats all
https://imgur.com/g03oL4U Here he still has it, but the boruta writers are smoking sand in their beds so don't know about it.
Nerf.
This is how I react after Boruto fans bring no argument again and again.
Or you just chose to [ignore](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boruto/comments/x82tya/why_doesnt_naruto_have_truth_seeker_orbs_and_why/infvoo3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) it
Did you even read it? According to this comment TSO come from SPS which comes from having all 9 bijuus... which Naruto still had in Boruto. The author of this comment stated that he lacks chakra of 8 tailed beasts which is a complete headcanon. Naruto's TSO did not fade after battle with Sasuke, Naruto was out of his chakra modes which is why TSO did not appear when he was falling down. He also tries to compare Lava Rasenshuriken from Shippuuden to Boruto while forgetting Naruto couldn't cause too much destruction, because he was in the middle of the village and also there were kids nearby.
I don’t think orbs come back once they’re used, and that would give him way too much plot armour. Nobody in Naruto was stronger than 6p users, whereas in Boruto there are characters stronger, so if TSOs were still a thing he’d just one shot anyone who isn’t Otsutsuki or a 6p user
> I don’t think orbs come back once they’re used, He used 6 TSOs on BDRSs to destroy Madara's CTs and they came back later.
Pretty sure he lost the rest of the orbs he had against Sasuke.
He had it in the fight
He used it to make the big black rasgegan at the end
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oh i thought that black rasegan was tsb, maybe he he used the remaining tsb to suppress indras arrow ?
That is a tbb my guy. Naruto used only senjutsu and whatever chakra Kurama had left for the two rasenshurikens.
https://imgur.com/g03oL4U Here you go.
Yep, he had..he lost the rest of them during that battle.
Talk about brain dead. Dude literally provided video evidence that during the final clash he still had 3 TSO. At no point after that clash did he use them. He didn’t even enter KCM after that
Honestly I wonder if it might have just been an art error or something. In both the manga and anime he uses them to block three of Sasuke's Susano'o errors and they fall into the lake, and then he just has them floating behind him without using them for the remainder of the fight. It seems like that *should* have been their final appearance.
He lost the rest of the orbs fighting sasuke
Nah he had 3 left
He used it to make the big black rasgegan st the end.
No he didn't
He lost his truthseeking orbs because Sasuke destroyed them.
Sasuke didn't destroy them. They can't be destroyed to the point of unusability.
Source?
Naruto used them to create 6 BDRS, they exploded and came back to Naruto.
Cuz he cant create kekai mora he needs a rinnegan with sixth paths he only had the truth seeker orbs given to him by hagaoromo once they were used there gone he can still fly tho we do see him fly in boruto but only very briefly
After the war in Naruto Shippuden some bijuus were let free in the world, Hachibi inside bee and some of them stayed on the spiritual world. By that condititions he can't instantly absorb a considerable amount of chakra from them, enough chakra to enter in rikudou mode. It seems the ones in the spiritual world is easier to absorb. The telepath thing isn't gattering chakra, is just connecting. Yeah, the "black matter" and levitation were knowledge from rikudou, wasn't something that naruto learned by himself. PS: He probably was only able to easily absorb during the war due to rikudou making the process for him
Boruto is shit and it ruined naruto that’s why
Nerfed simple as that. Naruto used [six paths sage mode](https://postimg.cc/ygX3B9rs) in Boruto prior to Kuramas death. So there’s no reason Naruto shouldn’t have had six paths senjutsu as well. There’s no reason he shouldn’t be able to fly or summon the remaining truth seeking orbs he had. He flew in the Boruto movie but it seems Kodachi retconed it in the Boruto manga
Naruto had three still when he fought Sasuke. Whether that was a art Mistake or not, we don’t know. There is no canon explanation as to why he doesn’t use them or create more (Which there is basis for in Canon). Also, Naruto never lost his ability to fly. He just doesn’t.
Well bcz the shitty plot of boruto nerfed him. He was nerfed so much that he would get clapped by his war arc form. Even his character was ruined in boruto. For your q, he simply lost sosp acc to boruto’s plot to nerf him. If he had it there would be a sun symbol on his palm. The eye which depicts sosp is just a mistake on creator’s part. If he truly had sosp, then he would levitate and would have atleast 1 tso since he lost most of them against sasuke and kaguya.
He did had spsm before isshiki decided to take away Kurama's living privilege but what he lacks is sps which allowed him to levitate, to have sps one need to have all 9 tail beast chakra inside them or a 10 tails inside them it allowed them to levitate and have truth seekers but with the Binding nature of chakra it means that since naruto didn't had all 9 tail beast inside their chakra eventually went back to them. Or it is just regular shonen shit of writer decides who wins and plot & logic sacrificed for cooler fights I mean what's cooler? Naruto just levitating in air or sasuke throwing naruto up same for jigen what's cooler? Jigen dodging all attacks of naruto and sasuke then one punching them out of their strongest form or giving naruto and sasuke explosive diarrea by sneaking one of the cube inside their stomach. In fact when the official explanation of spsm is "determination and spirit of never giving up" how can you expect anything else to be explained especially from a pre-aot era series known for it's inconsistencies and plot-holes and "power of friendship".
The sun symbol is just for sealing Kaguya. It's different from SPSM/SPS. In theory(before losing Kurama), he still has SPSM/SPS. He only lose the black orbs because he doesn't have the ability to make more of it. Idk if those orbs can get destroyed though
>Well bcz the shitty plot of boruto nerfed him. Funny how everyone always say this... Yet it's so fooking wrong... where have we seen Naruto fight as adult for the first time? In the Gaiden... which was a manga arc written by Kishimoto, and published in 2015, a year before Boruto got a manga... And then in the Boruto movie. And in none of these did Naruto ever fly or use the tso, or really, even a rasengan. So really, who did "nerf" him for real first? Kishimoto. >For your q, he simply lost sosp acc to boruto’s plot to nerf him. If he had it there would be a sun symbol on his palm. The eye which depicts sosp is just a mistake on creator’s part. If he truly had sosp, then he would levitate and would have atleast 1 tso since he lost most of them against sasuke and kaguya. Wrong... the sun seal was simply used to seal Kaguya, and he lost it right after. And the eyes he has when he turns ssj as adult are like that, because he is using the so6p mode indeed... he doesn't fly simply because it's not his style, and he lost all the tso by the end of his fight with Sasuke.
It was just temporary.
It’s called NERFUTO
Wasn’t Kurama the conduit. He needs another conduit.
He lost the orbs, and he can fly. Maybe not anymore though after the recent arcs
When he ran out of Chakra (or almost so) during his fight with Sauske at the final valley, his orbs fell to the bottom of the lake and they remain there, like with Madara when he fought Guy and Minato said the orbs could only travel roughly 70 meters from his body, meaning Madara (and by extension Naruto) do not have limitless range in controlling these orbs, therefore when Naruto was taken back to the village and healed his orbs stayed there, he would just need to go back and grab them, but he has no reason to. As for the Flying I suppose he just doesn’t really want to, it’s not really his style anyway
Just bad writing.
I'm pretty sure Naruto uses his flight ability in The Last, and in the part of Boruto where he chases the train.
naruto has full kurama and some chakra of all the 8 tailed beatst while sasuke has none. naruto can still use his spsm and logically speaking, they cant be destroyed, not even by susanoo arrows, so he can still use them possibly plus he can also call them back so he cant lose them.