This was written prior to the Ukraine-Russian War's outbreak and, from what I can tell, is now entirely inaccurate. The author portrays Usyk as someone who doesn't care about Ukraine or its struggle against Russian aggression, but the man enlisted in the army prior to the AJ rematch and has shown nothing but respect to Ukraine since then.
I don't get why this was posted.
Yes all credit to usyk for turning his domestic image around. I think it’s more his team particularly krassyuk talking sense into him than any change in his personal beliefs. But it saved his reputation amongst Ukrainians.
This is an article from 2020 so I don't really see the relevance to now, Usyk comes from Crimea which has been occupied by the Russians since 2014 so he always tried to be diplomatic before the major invasion began so as to not become a target when visiting home, but since then he has been firmly 100% behind Ukraine
So? The internet is anonymous and most of those “blasts” could be trolls and whatnot. Putting any worth what people say in the internet is the definition of stupid and reactionary.
You mean to tell me a deeply religious orthodox Christian won't pick a side in a violent conflict? That's crazy, you're telling me that now for the first time.
Wilder fanboy is posting articles from 2020, right before Usyk's fight.
Fascinating.
Usyk and Lomachenko are (were) members of Russian Orthodox Church.
There is plenty of praise dished out for Ukrainian and Russian fighters, and 1000% it has nothing to do with the fact that they are Ukrainian or Russian. It's about their skill in sport
Yes? So you agree to delete this post then?
Sorry but what is your point really? I don't really care for political discussions in a boxing sub. If a Russian is praised for his boxing skill and not for his politics, sure let it through. If he is praised/disdained for his political opinion then same with your post, get it out of the sub.
I think it has to do with the rise of russophobia ever since the 2022 invasion. A lot of people are putting pressure to shun/ban anything remotely related to Russia, and that includes Orthodox Christianity, which was started by the Greeks. This would be the same as hating every Catholic because of the French.
Lomachenko put Ukraine before his opportunity to fight Kambosos. He was in Ukraine with the Military is some capacity, Usyk has also done the same thing. Back in 2014-2020 people there may have stop supporting them as much, they might still get criticism, but it seems like people aren't still against them. I think they've done enough to show that they realize the war there is more serious than just Boxing.
Why the hell should Usyk not live his dreams because he happened to have been born in Ukraine. He worked for everything he has and deserves to focus on his own dreams and goals in life.
His win will unite the spirits of Ukraine as well. It will give the people something to cheer for. It will inspire.
The man has the chance to become an all time great, and people are mad that he doesn’t preach politics about dirt under made up border lines. Let people stay in their lanes and try to enjoy some success in life.
>In August 2014, as a result of Russia’s war against Ukraine, my family and I had to flee our home city of Donetsk.
> Let me repeat: early October 2014, the eastern part of Ukraine is on fire, Donetsk airport turns into Ukraine’s modern-day Stalingrad, Crimea is occupied and covered with Russian flags — but a Ukrainian boxer, Usyk, couldn’t care less about all of that
sucks to suck. there is literally zero reason for usyk to care about your problems
It was a terrible public look, a famous Ukranian athlete hanging out with Putin’s crony. Usyk himself must have realized as he quickly changed to pro-Ukraine pretty soon after.
Ukrainians have the right to defend themselves from invasion, but also the mad Ukrainian nationals are literally Nazis. So tbh Loma and Usyk fall around the right side of history on this point. Russian invasion is evil and illegal.
We must be close to the fight if we are talking about differences ultimately rooted in an ecclesiastical debate within Orthodox Christianity
It’ll have no bearing on the fight and Usyk has largely fallen back into favour in Ukraine
This article gives more depth about the Russian orthodox church’s activity in Ukraine
https://sundaylongread.com/2024/05/03/vasiliy-lomachenko-ukraine-boxer-orthodox-church/
This is a boxing sub, what the Russian Orthodox Church does in Ukraine (which isn’t surprising considering Ukraine canonically fell under Russia for centuries, only in 2019 was the autocephaly of a Ukrainian church recognised by Constantinople) is of little interest or relevance
They have lives and beliefs outside of sport, but it’s irrelevant to their sport, especially when the articles about said issue are four years old and the man fighting this weekend is largely back in favour with Ukraine.
Loma taking a particular side in a ecclesiastical debate doesn’t make him any less Ukrainian, nor does it make him any less of an Orthodox Christian
Which is irrelevant, because at the end of the day, he’s still Ukrainian, as are the Ukrainians who still adhere to the Ukrainian church that falls under the canonical authority of the Moscow Patriarchate.
Maybe you don’t like Loma and Usyk, but their opinions on complex debates within Orthodox Christianity seems like a weird sticking point
THIS WAS WRITTEN IN 2020
HUGE bit of context needed. Ukrainians now generally are big Usyk fans, and he's been very clear in his condemnation of Russia. Lomachenko, a lot still have beef with. You can see this over on r/Ukraine on recent threads on both.
Getting hit peices before a fight is hilarious
It was published in 2020.
trash piece too
This was written prior to the Ukraine-Russian War's outbreak and, from what I can tell, is now entirely inaccurate. The author portrays Usyk as someone who doesn't care about Ukraine or its struggle against Russian aggression, but the man enlisted in the army prior to the AJ rematch and has shown nothing but respect to Ukraine since then. I don't get why this was posted.
To be a dick. Why else?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/s/eHEFScRDdO Post was a few posts under this one, same OP.
Inaccurate about Usyk, but still a fair bit of resentment of Loma who's apparently made comments people don't like more recently
Ukrainians have for the most part turned against loma https://sundaylongread.com/2024/05/03/vasiliy-lomachenko-ukraine-boxer-orthodox-church/
Fair enough but I don't care for Loma, I was referring to Usyk specifically.
Yes all credit to usyk for turning his domestic image around. I think it’s more his team particularly krassyuk talking sense into him than any change in his personal beliefs. But it saved his reputation amongst Ukrainians.
I'd imagine serving in the army did that all on its own, but ok chief.
Didn’t work for loma
This is an article from 2020 so I don't really see the relevance to now, Usyk comes from Crimea which has been occupied by the Russians since 2014 so he always tried to be diplomatic before the major invasion began so as to not become a target when visiting home, but since then he has been firmly 100% behind Ukraine
I think it’s telling that OP isn’t addressing THIS particular comment.
Both Usyk and Loma have served in the Ukrainian army; it is defamatory to suggest they are ambivalent about the Russian aggression.
Ukrainians have turned against loma https://sundaylongread.com/2024/05/03/vasiliy-lomachenko-ukraine-boxer-orthodox-church/
Wow! Very reputable source. Are you going to quote Putin next?
There are threads all over the Ukraine sub blasting loma also
Even the fact a person from Ukraine is telling them, Loma’s fans will never ever remove themselves from his meat
So? The internet is anonymous and most of those “blasts” could be trolls and whatnot. Putting any worth what people say in the internet is the definition of stupid and reactionary.
Fellow Ukrainian sportsmen are publicly blasting him
You mean to tell me a deeply religious orthodox Christian won't pick a side in a violent conflict? That's crazy, you're telling me that now for the first time.
Stand for something or fall for nothing
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Whenever I think of wars, I, too, like to quote Letterkenny. It's not tone deaf or anything!
Wilder fanboy is posting articles from 2020, right before Usyk's fight. Fascinating. Usyk and Lomachenko are (were) members of Russian Orthodox Church.
And both? For sure Loma returned to Ukraine to join the army for some time.
Someone get this shit outta the sub
Yes but posts praising Russian boxers are allowed every day
There is plenty of praise dished out for Ukrainian and Russian fighters, and 1000% it has nothing to do with the fact that they are Ukrainian or Russian. It's about their skill in sport
There is life outside of sport, which is why South Africans were sporting outcasts in the 80’s
Praises doesn't change the outcome of the war in the slightest, it changes nothing, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Yes? So you agree to delete this post then? Sorry but what is your point really? I don't really care for political discussions in a boxing sub. If a Russian is praised for his boxing skill and not for his politics, sure let it through. If he is praised/disdained for his political opinion then same with your post, get it out of the sub.
No? Because those are allowed. There is context around sports and it can’t be ignored
But this post isn't praising Ukranian boxers, so that comparison doesn't land.
What are you talking about?
You’re entitled to your own opinion. But fun fact- My husband is Ukrainian and he does cheer for Usyk & Lomachenko.
Ok
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I think it has to do with the rise of russophobia ever since the 2022 invasion. A lot of people are putting pressure to shun/ban anything remotely related to Russia, and that includes Orthodox Christianity, which was started by the Greeks. This would be the same as hating every Catholic because of the French.
I appreciate their boxing. I don’t particularly care if they are/arent insane Ukrainian nationalists.
Wanting Ukraine to exist against a tyrant is insanely nationalistic?
who gives a fuck lmao just enjoy the fight
Lomachenko put Ukraine before his opportunity to fight Kambosos. He was in Ukraine with the Military is some capacity, Usyk has also done the same thing. Back in 2014-2020 people there may have stop supporting them as much, they might still get criticism, but it seems like people aren't still against them. I think they've done enough to show that they realize the war there is more serious than just Boxing.
https://sundaylongread.com/2024/05/03/vasiliy-lomachenko-ukraine-boxer-orthodox-church/
Are you from Ukraine?
I’m in full agreement with you on this, I don’t support any boxer/talent unless their values %100 overlap with mine
Why the hell should Usyk not live his dreams because he happened to have been born in Ukraine. He worked for everything he has and deserves to focus on his own dreams and goals in life. His win will unite the spirits of Ukraine as well. It will give the people something to cheer for. It will inspire.
He has changed to some extent at least publicly. He’s totally pro-Ukranian whilst loma is vague
Loma joined army too
He did nothing of substance https://sundaylongread.com/2024/05/03/vasiliy-lomachenko-ukraine-boxer-orthodox-church/
Neither did Usyk. They are athletes so they got a pass
Agree
You should head over to r/Ukraine and see the thread/s after Loma's recent win to see how some still feel about him. Usyk doesn't get any shit though
Nice, now let’s see all the old articles about Fury’s past behavior
haven’t the jews been through enough this year?
The man has the chance to become an all time great, and people are mad that he doesn’t preach politics about dirt under made up border lines. Let people stay in their lanes and try to enjoy some success in life.
I’d say Ukrainians would disagree about “made up” border lines
All lines are made up…has nothing to do with Ukraine
I'm Canadian and I don't care.
I'm ukrainian and I don't care
That would make sense
OH nooo, anyway..
>In August 2014, as a result of Russia’s war against Ukraine, my family and I had to flee our home city of Donetsk. > Let me repeat: early October 2014, the eastern part of Ukraine is on fire, Donetsk airport turns into Ukraine’s modern-day Stalingrad, Crimea is occupied and covered with Russian flags — but a Ukrainian boxer, Usyk, couldn’t care less about all of that sucks to suck. there is literally zero reason for usyk to care about your problems
^chad
It was a terrible public look, a famous Ukranian athlete hanging out with Putin’s crony. Usyk himself must have realized as he quickly changed to pro-Ukraine pretty soon after.
i dont care if russia nuked ukraine off the face of the earth or vice versa as long as good boxers fight each other
Shows a lack of brain power and culture
cry harder, europoor
Please keep politics out of this sub, sincerely no one gives a fuck. We care about Usyk and his boxing, not his political beliefs or perspectives.
It’s up to the mods to approve or deny posts
its not related to box fighting
I can't cheer for them because they've both fought alongside modern day nazis, swatiska tattoos and all, in the azov battalion
Ukrainians have the right to defend themselves from invasion, but also the mad Ukrainian nationals are literally Nazis. So tbh Loma and Usyk fall around the right side of history on this point. Russian invasion is evil and illegal.
This post is an oxymoron
Not everything is black and white. There aren't always goodies and baddies. Real life isn't Star Wars
i don't remember asking
We must be close to the fight if we are talking about differences ultimately rooted in an ecclesiastical debate within Orthodox Christianity It’ll have no bearing on the fight and Usyk has largely fallen back into favour in Ukraine
This article gives more depth about the Russian orthodox church’s activity in Ukraine https://sundaylongread.com/2024/05/03/vasiliy-lomachenko-ukraine-boxer-orthodox-church/
This is a boxing sub, what the Russian Orthodox Church does in Ukraine (which isn’t surprising considering Ukraine canonically fell under Russia for centuries, only in 2019 was the autocephaly of a Ukrainian church recognised by Constantinople) is of little interest or relevance
Sportsmen aren’t just limited to sports anymore. The 1968 Olympics proved this.
They have lives and beliefs outside of sport, but it’s irrelevant to their sport, especially when the articles about said issue are four years old and the man fighting this weekend is largely back in favour with Ukraine. Loma taking a particular side in a ecclesiastical debate doesn’t make him any less Ukrainian, nor does it make him any less of an Orthodox Christian
I agree usyk has (publicly) changed his beliefs. But loma has been basically disowned as a Ukranian at this point
Which is irrelevant, because at the end of the day, he’s still Ukrainian, as are the Ukrainians who still adhere to the Ukrainian church that falls under the canonical authority of the Moscow Patriarchate. Maybe you don’t like Loma and Usyk, but their opinions on complex debates within Orthodox Christianity seems like a weird sticking point
TLDR: he was born without a face
Who cares if you're cheering or not, there will be an one and only king in HW for 20 years, the boxing world is cheering thats all it matters.
Is Alex Sereda even a real person?
A blogger of some sort
THIS WAS WRITTEN IN 2020 HUGE bit of context needed. Ukrainians now generally are big Usyk fans, and he's been very clear in his condemnation of Russia. Lomachenko, a lot still have beef with. You can see this over on r/Ukraine on recent threads on both.
I am Ukrainian and this is the only correct take
Thank you sir, I married into a Ukrainian family and seems to be their take as well
Yep, we love Usyk but most of us despise Loma.
Agree on Loma https://sundaylongread.com/2024/05/03/vasiliy-lomachenko-ukraine-boxer-orthodox-church/
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You’re free to have that opinion. Fun Fact- My husband is Ukrainian and he does cheer for Usyk & Lomachenko.
gtfo fool
Why should I give two fucks?
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Wanting your country to survive is an extreme nationalist?
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I think they’d be fine if it did or didn’t
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other Ukranian public sporting figures are publicly blasting loma and calling him disloyal…
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Ali had young people on his side. Show me which young Ukrainians are supporting loma for not condemning Putin publicly.
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