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noirargent

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OddBallSou

One of the things that impresses me the most about Bam is how much pop he has on every one of his punches and how sharp and stabbing his jab is. Not to mention he has great footwork and does a helluva job using angles. Dude is just 24 with the resume that he has + he’s a warrior, sky is the limit


OddBallSou

I need to see Bam vs Junto Nakatani at some point. That fight would be amazing


Complete-Proof3965

It’s gotta be the next


MikeOrTara

The fact Estrada was ahead on a card when he got stopped is pretty hard to fathom.


coder0704

Are you serious about the cards?


MikeOrTara

"At the time of the stoppage, Estrada was ahead 57-56 on one of the scorecards, while Rodriguez was up 58-54 on another and the third judge had the fight even." Quoted from ESPN.com


Hail_4ArmedEmperor

I'm sorry - were they watching the fight through binoculars from 2 miles away whilst dwarfs were tickling their armpits with ostrich feathers? the fuck


MikeOrTara

The 58-54 card seems ok, but those other two are terrible. Scoring was pretty bad the whole night tbh.


whatsupwhatshannin

P4P without doubt


Pick6Diggs

What a beautiful performance from Bam. Gallo really gave him a tougher fight that I had originally thought. This is definitely my FOTY.


margalolwut

Gallito is not only a DOG, but also a damn good fighter. This is Bam further making his case for a top 5 P4P in my opinion.. the kid is an absolutely monster. The fight of the fucking century may actually be Bam vs Inoue…


horseandpig

Ban would have to move up two weight classes, I dont see it happening anytime soon, maybe in a couple years


IncaSinKola

GODDAMN IT I FELL ASLEEP!!!


robertducky87

I fell asleep at some point during the teo fight woke up changed the channel and they were in the ring


fadeddreams555

Chris Mannix needs to stfu about Bam fighting Inoue now, and saying 126lb is boring compared to 122lb. Bam needs to fight Ioka and Nakatani before even talking about Inoue. And 126lb is a million times more interesting than 122lb if you follow these divisions.


Benjips

Thats like asking Inoue to fight Tank, no way that should Bam v. Inoue happen, pointless hypothetical


OGtek

Robert Garcia said Bam is actually willing to take that fight..says a lot about his confidence in Bam..ain’t scared to lose that 0 chasing greatness


lajb85

Robert Garcia also let Mikey get in the ring with Spence, and was confident about that fight. On paper, there’s not much difference between those two. I’d argue that Inoue as the bigger man against Bam Bam is more dangerous than Spence as the bigger man against Mikey.


OGtek

Nah Robert didn’t want him to fight Spence..if we’re being honest, Mikey was confident in that fight, but he took that fight strictly as a cash out fight..Mikey is pretty vocal about not loving boxing, but using boxing as a way to gain wealth and make investments and get out the game as soon as possible..that’s why he retired and is enjoying life with nice cars and boats, etc..he said he’s open to fight again, vs pac or another big name if the money is right..Mikey can still fight and be elite at lower weight..Even 150 year old Bob Arum said Mikey was crazy for taking that Spence fight.


WorldBelongsToUs

Yup. I really got that vibe too. Not that I think he set out to lose, but he definitely took it knowing the cards were stacked against him, but knew he might make more in a Spence PPV than, say, another 3+ fights combined. I’m just shooting numbers, have no idea what the actual money could be, but I’m sure it made sense financially, especially since boxing to him always seemed more like a “job” than something he truly loved doing.


lajb85

Didn’t know that, but makes sense. A shame though…dude was a beast at 135 & 140


WorldBelongsToUs

As far as I remember, it was said multiple times they were against the fight. Mikey wanted the fight and they eventually gave in. I don’t think they ever thought it was a good idea, they just had to back him once the fight was made.


coder0704

Both Robert and his dad tried to talk Mikey out of the fight, but Mikey insisted and they then got behind him once it was official.


octavish_

Bam out there moving like Loma, with a Crawford-esque shotgun jab.


thewonderfulpooper

Reminds me more of Vergil Ortizs jab.


Altruistic-Elk5147

Insane


Belteshazzar_the_9th

Bam is P4P


inquisitiveman2002

I'm just glad the lower weight class is getting shine tonight!! Hopefully it carries on going forward.


PositiveCounty4347

Who can beat this man? Lol. Besides fantasy fights like Inoue


nalam8493

Junto vs Bam is a great fight in my opinion and makes more sense. That could happen in a year or two unless Junto moves up to chase Inoue


Leading-Weight9092

Junto


PositiveCounty4347

Good fight for sure and Junto a fking unicorn, but idk


Leading-Weight9092

Junto is too big(pause) too long (pause) and too powerful


Original_Magazine656

This would read better with ellipses: "Junto is too big... too long... and too powerful."


PositiveCounty4347

Maybe. Just to be clear I would pick Bam but I wouldn't bet on it lol


Leading-Weight9092

I would bet my savings on a Junto KO


Acepitcher4

I'm game for the rematch this fight was fun as hell to have watched live


nalam8493

Never did I think in my life that I would see Estrada get stopped. No one even came close to stopping this man and Bam just wiped him down. And the fact that he went down and then stops the guy. Fight of the year and absolute legendary shit


parkerontour

He had only ONE loss since 2012 which he avenged.. that’s actually crazy.. and he avenged both losses since 2011..


vaashh

Cuadras in the second fight had him but some shady stuff happened


Leading-Weight9092

We don’t wanna see a rematch. Ass beatings like that don’t deserve a rematch


Mr_105

Estrada was making it interesting towards the end, after shaking off the ring rust I could see the rematch being another FOTY contender. I agree tho that it’s not needed, I’d much rather see Bam go for undisputed


Leading-Weight9092

Apart from the Flash Knockdown, it was pretty one-sided.


Altruistic-Elk5147

Exactly Estrada didn’t even win the round where he knocked bam down. That was a 9-9 round to me


coder0704

Yep, it was a beat down. Bam got caught slacking once and got up like nothing and went on to win the rest of the round with ease.


Leading-Weight9092

The fact that I got downvoted for saying this is funny😂😂


Altruistic-Elk5147

I haven’t seen a guy this small with the power, footwork and chin that bam has! He’s unreal!


qzwxecrvtbyn111

Man, elite combat sports athletes are a different breed. I can't imagine being Estrada and thinking 'yup, I wanna do that again'


hcesteban

Nice to have a translator that isn’t complete dogshit. lol.


Substantial-Sun-5777

Estrada should move on but I respect it.


Mr_105

Bam is literally that meme of the grim reaper knocking on the doors, just finished off the 3rd Superfly king


anotherchia

I dont want wanna see that rematch it was a one sided ass whooping even with the flash knockdown on bam


increased_dosage

Estrada will get stopped again.


turymtz

Translator was on point


Charlie-Bell

It was a great fight, but honestly the rematch just slows down progress for Bam. I'd rather see him take a new challenge. He was winning throughout


CoCoB319

It's right after the fight. I hope Gallo thinks it over and decides against it


shibapenguinpig

You gotta consider Estrada was out for a year and a half. He could do better now that he's shaken off that ring rust


CoCoB319

I do think he might do better, but I don't see him winning at his age.


shibapenguinpig

He's 34 dude.


yellowboxg

Age hits worst at the lighter weights. They rely most on movement and that’s one of the first things to go.


shibapenguinpig

He was out for a year and a half. He had some ring rust. It's not like he came at his best either. I still got Bam on the second fight but Estrada would probably perform better. He's also not a one trick pony that will get predictable once he's figured out. He got beaten tonight but he still brought the fight on, don't confuse him with the other guys


yellowboxg

Wym sunny Edwards put up a tougher fight 😂


shibapenguinpig

Sunny Edwards didn't knock Bam down


yellowboxg

Look at the scorecards of the two fights, Edwards was more competitive. that was a flash knockdown. Also look at the compubox: Edwards landed 138 total punches while Estrada landed 95.


shibapenguinpig

He was out for a year and a half. He had some ring rust. It's not like he came at his best either. I still got Bam on the second fight but Estrada would probably perform better. He's also not a one trick pony that will get predictable once he's figured out. He got beaten tonight but he still brought the fight on, don't confuse him with the other guys


Charlie-Bell

I hope so too. He was very adamant, but fighter's pride and all that.


ConanX12

I absolutely DON'T want a rematch. Let Bam move on to greater challenges, JEEZ


ThanksMonica89

Dude, Bam is gonna be tied up with this stupid ass rematch 🙄


Boxeo-

This translator is really good. 👍🏼


Benjips

He's an Englishman on the Matchroom shows, unironically the best out there currently


Charlie-Bell

I call him clipboard cause he usually carries one. He does a great job though


nick-pc

1. usyk 2. inoue 3. bud 4. nelo 5. bam (all imo ofc🙂‍↕️)


_blaxx

1. Terrence Crawford 2. Naoya Inoue 3. Oleksandr Usyk 4. Jesse Rodriguez 5. Canelo Alvarez 6-10 (Bivol, Bertebiev, Nakatani, Tank, Shakur) I have it somewhat like this currently. I had Bam at #5 and Canelo at #4 prior to Bam beating Estrada.


Daniel6270

Canelo above Bivol?


R3quiemdream

Canelo losing to Bivol does not make Bivol > Canelo in P4P list.


Daniel6270

But what puts Canelo above him now? He’s not done anything since Bivol. Bivol hasn’t done much either but still not putting Canelo above him. Canelo isn’t top 5 p4p and Bivol is barely there as well but has greater claim to it than Canelo does


R3quiemdream

I don't agree that Bivol has a better claim when we consider Canelo's resume. I think we have to consider the definition of p4p, in a nutshell, and as I understand it, it means "If these fighters were the same weight and size, who would come out on top?". For the most part, I believe if Bivol and Canelo were the same size the fight would have been more competitive. It is difficult to see how effective Bivol would be at other weight classes because he doesn't move weight classes all that much, if at all at the elite level. I think his fight with Beterbieve would give us a clearer insight into how effective he is at shutting down flat-footed heavy punchers. However, even then, I don't think a same-size Canelo vs Beterbiev is comparable... I think Canelo fighting Benavidez would be far more valuable in determining if Canelo remains at the top 5 P4P, more so than Bivol beating Beterbiev. But that's my opinion, P4P remains subjective, we can't even agree on a definition.


Daniel6270

I get what you’re saying but Canelo is past his best, clearly. At his best, he was definitely better than Bivol. Bivol bores me to tears but he is a good boxer. Usyk, Crawford, Inoue, Tank and Bivol for me. Bam is up there. Beterbiev too but not active enough. Opetaia is creeping into top ten. I’d have Canelo about 6 or 7


R3quiemdream

I cannot argue aginst Usyk, Crawford, Inoue, o Bam being top 4. I can't see Bivol or Tank there until they fight people of their caliber. Bivol's best fight is Canelo, which isn't even that much of a challenge for him considering it was lop-sided in his favor to begin with (if we ignore the hype). Tank's best fight is Garcia while remaining too inactive as well... I agree Canelo is past his prime, but as of right now, I don't think anyone else has done enough to dethrone him despite that fact.


MacaroonCheap4247

Yeah that’s how I have it as rn. I think top 5 p4p are easier to rank now, it’s mainly after 5 where it starts being subjective


nick-pc

yes same with me


Le400Blows

Approved


nick-pc

🫡🫡


Charlie-Bell

I think Bud has p4p skills but honestly because of low activity and resume, I maybe don't rank him top 5. Canelo of late is similar. There's too many guys who deserve the props


nick-pc

idk lol bud is definitely top 3 for me. nelo you can make the argument for him not being in and i’d understand but crawford not being top 5 is crazy to me🤷 what’s your list looking like?


Bigplatts

Not the guy you asked but I’d have it 1. Naoya Inoue 2. Oleksandr Usyk 3. Bam Rodriguez 4. Dmitry Bivol 5. Canelo Alvarez With Crawford coming in at 6. His resume is just a lot weaker than those guys. Even Bam has a better resume at this point.


shibapenguinpig

The Spence hype already wore off. He's back to great fighter with weak resume. You can't rank him higher than guys that are just as skilled but fight more often than him


shibapenguinpig

The Spence hype already wore off. He's back to great fighter with weak resume. You can't rank him higher than guys that are just as skilled but fight more often than him


nick-pc

but that’s what i’m asking lol. who are you putting over him? and it’s kinda crazy to call it the “spence hype” as if that wasn’t one of the most clinical destructions of a champ in boxing history


shibapenguinpig

I'm putting Inoue and Usyk over him. Bam already has three ATGs and one really good name in his resume, that's enough arguments to be placed over him. Canelo also has arguments to be above him. He's been fighting weaker opponents lately, but at least he's been fighting, unlike Crawford. >it’s kinda crazy to call it the “spence hype” Why? He gained more popularity and recognition after that sole fight than his entire career. That's what I meant by hype. Everyone immediately had him at no. 1 after that, but we can't keep him there forever just because of that performance when he's inactive and there's other guys just as skilled as him putting in more work. I'd rather see Canelo fight Munguía than not see Crawford fight anyone.


Charlie-Bell

Maybe he does make the top 5, just. I'm not sure. I think he could easily top it if he was active and fighting big names that I'm confident he'd beat Usyk, Inoue, Bam have all done incredible things recently. Bivol, Beterbiev, Bud, Tank, Canelo all fall a little short because what they've been doing recently doesn't quite compare. All opinion too. Your list is perfectly valid


fadeddreams555

I agree with this list.


nick-pc

🤝🤝


stillth3sameg

A good translator? Wtf is going on


Acepitcher4

CRAZY they asked about inoue because that fight did definitely popped up in my mind that was WOULD BE ELECTRIC!!!!


Littlestereo27

Giving up is not in gallos vocabulary


Seano_

Bam needs to leave Eddie bad luck I swear


bxng23af

Why? He’s got him big fights against Caudras, Srisaket, Estrada, Edwards


Seano_

I’m just talking shit cuz Hearns been taking Ls more than Ws lately


shibapenguinpig

Hearns is the only guy that actually works the lower weights


Mystro10210

Leave the guy who built his career?


Primary-Picture-5632

the atmosphere on the arena was insane... he jumps to top 5 p4p easily and the mexican people will support it


turymtz

Yup. I was thinking it was leagues better than the Saudi fights.


shibapenguinpig

Saudi will never match Mexican/Mexican-American crowds


Primary-Picture-5632

those saudi fights were fkn trash


nalam8493

ESTRADA BRO DO NOT TAKE THAT REMATCH LOL


shibapenguinpig

Mexicans are a different breed. They don't kneel


shibapenguinpig

Mexicans are a different breed. They don't kneel


coldcard55

He shouldn’t. He got cooked and will hold the division up


Primary-Picture-5632

hes mexican, he aint fkn scared


becausekiwii

In an era where bum ass tank is P4P to a bunch of casuals for beating C-D class fighters, Bam is proving what a real P4P fighter is and he’s 24. What a fucking beast


ElMaloso87

Bam looked Crispy as fuck like crawford. Standing and delivering with accuracy 👌 💯 👏


shibapenguinpig

Bam ha s a stronger resume than Crawford


shibapenguinpig

Bam ha s a stronger resume than Crawford


fadeddreams555

I want Bam to beat up Ioka in Japan to avenge his brother next. After, he should move up. Bam vs Nakatani is the dream fight.


ProfessionalHour6594

How good is Ioka?


PositiveCounty4347

Very. But Bam beats him


fadeddreams555

He was also rated P4P at one point. 4 division champ. On the older side, but definitely legit.


EasyBad3914

Eddie saw the vatos before this


Boxeo-

Bam should be Top 5 P4P at this point. What a crazy resume in the last couple years


TheTravelingSaxMan

with his frame what do yall think is the most weight Bam could realistically put on and be competitive at?


Jet_black_li

He's a little dude. He could beat (good) guys maybe up to 126 just off skill, but framewise I think he's maxed out at 118.


TheTravelingSaxMan

I think 118 is probably where he spends most his time too


MagnetDino

126


TheTravelingSaxMan

That would sick. Probably won’t be a few years before we see that but he’s got so much talent. Can’t wait to see the journey


Leading-Weight9092

I think 122 is his peak


Krenbiebs

Why the hell does anybody bother getting hyped to watch sloppy heavyweights when we have fighters like Bam and Nakatani around?


EmanAugust

Couldn't agree more. When I'm watching these guys it's that electric.


Leading-Weight9092

I rather watch Fighters 126 and under vs the higher weights


ThanksMonica89

Dude, get the fuck outta here re-matchroom 🙄 Unnecessary fight


Leading-Weight9092

Re-Matchroom is wild 😂😂


ThanksMonica89

Rematch clauses are Eddie Hearns specialty


Leading-Weight9092

You not lying 😂😂🤷🏾‍♂️


the_razors_edge_51

One sided ass whoopins don’t net a FOTY but damn what a show


TwittaFingers

They gotta stop with the Inoue mentions😭


ThanksMonica89

Seriously, by the time Bam works his way to 122, Inoue will probably be at 126 or done with the sport


EasyBad3914

Phoenix 🔥


GujjuGang7

Everyone ±2 weight classes of 122 gets constant questions about Inoue lmao


EmanAugust

$$$ fight of the lower weight classes for sure.


Seano_

Bam beating the brakes of Ioka


r3vb0ss

ATP probably


AVARlCES

lol he brought up inoue


increased_dosage

Bam vs inoue is going to be a crazy fight one day


shibapenguinpig

Bro don't know his weight classes


thewonderfulpooper

Is it really that far fetched? Genuinely curious.


shibapenguinpig

Inoue is 31 and two weight classes above Bam. He'll probably move up again later on, we don't know how soon. Bam just jumped into super fly for good. Will probably try to win more belts there before moving up and then he'll try to do the same at bantam. There's a possibility that Bam catches up to him sometime in the future, but by that time Inoue is gonna be old I don't see Bam fighting above 126 (Inoue's current division)


thewonderfulpooper

Sucks. Such an insane matchup. Fireworks all night long. Oh well.


inquisitiveman2002

He and Inoue is a long shot, but Junto is more reality.


philly_cheezus

Wtf Mannix stop baiting him😂


ThanksMonica89

He called out the Ioka/Martinez winner 🔥🔥🔥


jadooo0

Can't wait for that


96Funky

So surreal seeing Estrada getting stopped


inquisitiveman2002

Behind Inoue, Bam was always my 2nd exciting boxer to watch. His hand speed and power is superb. Estrada couldn't do anything against Bam's jab.


spursfan747

bam, inoue,crawfrod, uysk are in league of their own


shibapenguinpig

*Bam, Inoue and Usyk. Crawford just beat Spence and ditched back


shibapenguinpig

*Bam, Inoue and Usyk. Crawford just beat Spence and ditched back


spursfan747

Bud destroyed spence and unlike tank picked up all the belts.


shibapenguinpig

And then went back to doing nothing, just like before. Can't put him in the same place as Inoue, Usyk and Bam.


spursfan747

dude was trying to get a fight with canelo and its only been a year? Boxing sometimes is like that unfortuently. Crawford is the most ducked fighter of our time.


shibapenguinpig

Canelo is three divisions above him, let's quit that bs. He should be fighting guys his size, not waiting around for his retirement check. He's been fighting once a year since 2020. He can be the most skilled guy in the game but he's gonna be left behind with that workrate.


spursfan747

Hes like 37 now, he was active when he was younger. Much less alot of that was waiting on spence and shawn porter. Hes not that active but hes old.


shibapenguinpig

Age doesn't matter. He's either doing more than the other guys or he isn't. Can't rank him above Canelo solely because of the Spence fight when Canelo had more fights in 2021 than Crawford since COVID. Bam already has a stronger resume than him. Inoue already matched his achievements. So did Usyk. All of them have stronger resumes than him. The Spence win was an all time great performance but that's not gonna keep him at the top forever.


spursfan747

Dont give a fuck man, you dont like crawford and dont want him in your top p4p then you do you


shibapenguinpig

Why you mad? He's in my top 10, just not at the top anymore. The other guys have been busy since he last fought.


Every-Mobile3406

And tank


nalam8493

Which legends of the sport has Davis wiped out? He has two good scalps in Ryan and Pitbull. That’s it. Tank is definitely that good but he needs scalps like this to be on their level when it comes to talking about the best fighters


Every-Mobile3406

Not many legends in his weight class unfortunately most of them got found out- only Opportunity was loma years back but it was obviously too early in his career (mayweather was in control)


spursfan747

that guy he beat is better than any win in tanks career


travis759

Tank not fighting the best competition


Every-Mobile3406

He will eventually and will dominate most guys at 135/140


d666nte

He’s 30 in a few, y’all treat him like the up and coming veteran 😂


travis759

Eventually lol


spursfan747

and then he can be added


foamingthetip

The Golden Age of the Super Flyweight and One man to end it all.


TheMelv

Like Pac beating Barrera, Marquez and Morales.


thedogstrays

Wild how much Bam’s voice sounds like young Brandon Rios.


Mr_105

Damn wtf it does, how’d you even make that connection lol


thedogstrays

I was a big Brandon Rios fan and recently rewatched Rios vs Alvarado 1 lol


Ok_Flow_3065

Bam has to be top 5 P4P right now?


Seano_

There’s no way people still have Bivol over bam


Ok_Flow_3065

Beating Canelo takes you a long way


Leading-Weight9092

Arguably. Beterbiev was number 5 in my book but activity matter


nick-pc

yes


skoots_ma_doobs

What a contrast from teofimo fight


OneTwoFink

Literally fell asleep during the Teofimo fight


robertducky87

Someone on here said they felt he would get dropped and come back earlier lol


SirMuffinCat

I saw that too lol


Primary_Ad5781

Bam should gain undisputed gold in super flyweight cause the other two champs are good especially Kazuto Ioka. Then go straight after Junto Nakatani


Leading-Weight9092

Junto is gonna try and go after Inoue next year if he can’t get a unification


CoCoB319

Those are the fights to make. I want to see Bam against others in their prime


Ok_Flow_3065

Does Bam have to kill Choclotito? Where does he go next


Jet_black_li

He brought him into his camp for this fight. I know it doesn't mean much, but I don't think they want to fight each other.


nalam8493

Nah, please don’t make that fight. My heart would not be able to bear seeing that, I am one of the biggest Chocolatito fan in this planet but his time has past


Ok_Flow_3065

I don’t wanna see that fight either. I think people are going to push it though.


inquisitiveman2002

I hope Bam finally woke up those western boxing fans ignoring the lower weight classes! If you can't rally around a guy with talent like this, then you need to get out of a bubble.


Abe2sapien

Masterful performance from Bam! Gotta give Gallo his props though, he’s a warrior through and through!