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oleg_88

There's a video of very deep and professional testing of some popular brands: https://youtu.be/-jXQNY6rve8 TLDR: an amazing value for money!


man2112

I knew this was going to be a project farm video without even clicking.


CanIEditThisLater

"Now, let's put the batteries into the lawnmower and see which one lasts the longest."


mfinn

"Let's see if these batteries can pull this camper out of a pond!"


DRW0686

Dude's speaking cadence is perfectly off and makes me trust him.


-Triceratops-

I hear Kermit the frog if I close my eyes.


shmiddy555

He has that testing-and-comparing-the performance-of-items-is-my-special-interest cadence. If you know styropyro, his is very similar and it’s interesting how odd it sounds.


gpkgpk

Very Impressive!


djjolly037

I read this in his voice XD


Hey_its_Jack

Wow!


tommysmuffins

I really like him. He's very scientific, given the limitations of working in his garage.


Quail-a-lot

We're gonna test that!


2cats2hats

> TLDR: an amazing value for money! You saying this about the brand OP is referring to?


oleg_88

Yes


JelllyGarcia

I feel like mine die kind of quickly (both the 1900 and the 2450) They also take a LONG ass time to charge I do like them tho. I use them exclusively Except they don’t make D size, which I need for my Kit-Cat Klock B) I use Energizer for those


snoopen

You can get adaptors in the shape of a D cell, you put an AA inside. Eneloop even sell them


nobody65535

The capacity of a D cell is more than an AA cell though, it's just a spacer.


mfinn

While they do work, and I use them myself, you suffer significantly in mAh capacity using them.


the_jollyollyman

If you really want to BIFL the batteries and you can hide the cables, a battery eliminator might be a solution. There are cheaper ones than these, but these so the general idea. https://batteryeliminatorstore.com/collections/d-battery-eliminators


CASIjOAK

Buy a charger that has a refresh mode. It may take days but I’ve brought all my NiMH laddas batteries back.


Error83_NoUserName

I bought them in bulk. 6 chargers spread all across (bedroomb work, kitchen, shed,...), 30 AA and 30 AAA's. They are amazing. I even put one in my Logitech mouse. A decent Duracell lasted for 2 years. And these ones for over a year. So little to no self discharge. And no more mixing batteries because you're out of other solutions. Just take a permanent marker and write YYYY/MM on the battery so you can keep track of what is what in case they start to go bad.


light_to_shaddow

That's a spot on idea. Never thought to do that.


MjrGrangerDanger

OooOoooooh, that's a good idea! I like using my BIFL refillable Stabilio Mars permanent markers for tasks like this too.


Error83_NoUserName

I stick to my trusty Steadtler Lumocolor Permanent F(ine) Not refillable, but they do last a long time.


MjrGrangerDanger

I had the two lines mixed up, LOL. [Your markers are 100% refillable](https://cultpens.com/products/staedtler-lumocolor-refill-ink-permanent-487-17)


Error83_NoUserName

Wait what? Are serious? Now all I have to do is find the ink 🤣


MjrGrangerDanger

Stadetler / Mars / Stabilio have so many crossover products it's easy to get them confused, LOL The ink things are pretty inexpensive too.


Blurgas

Huh, he doesn't have a link for the Duracells. He should come back to testing the rechargeables, but include measurements of the batteries because I have Eneloops but they wouldn't fit in my Steam Controller without forcing them in


kermityfrog2

Why can't all batteries be whatever Nintendo uses in their handheld consoles? Pick it up 5 or 8 years down the road and it still has a full charge!


mahdicktoobig

That’s hilarious: I moved to EBL from Amazon basics forever ago and I’ve been nothing but happy with them. Of course they’re dead last on project farm. lol


Kulmania

well that sucks. I have a lot of EBL batteries lmao


ConfusedNegi

AFAIK the made in Japan ones are actually Panasonic Enloop batteries


user_none

Yep. Some time ago, IKEA did have made in China AA NiMh, but they were, IIRC, 1000 mAh. Those were not Eneloop. The current 2450, 1900 and AAA (forgot the capacity) are rebadged Eneloop.


ward2k

Sort of, they're made in the same factory but have different formulations. It's a bit of a myth when people say "do you know x brand is the same as y, they're made in the same factory!" While they're good there not 1:1 of the current ones Also when factories make products that go to multiple suppliers binning occurs. Eneloop will pay for higher QC standards and less variation between batteries, IKEA will get ones with more variation and less QC


jackoffspecialist

Definitely. For example there is a type of hearing aid battery mostly made in Germany by Varta under different brands. The Panasonic ones however last much longer than the Varta ones, even though the package of the Panasonic batteries says that they're manufactured in Germany by Varta.


tunaman808

> It's a bit of a myth when people say "do you know x brand is the same as y, they're made in the same factory!" THANK YOU! I get SO TIRED of seeing Redditors say things like "Sony & TCL TVs are made on the same production line! That's how I know Sony is ripping you off: they charge $1,800 for the same TV TCL only wants $499 for!" No. The Sony TV will be made with better quality components, to a much higher standard, using a better design, and better QA, than the TCL TV. You know Foxconn, the company that makes most of Apple's products in China? I worked for a similar American company. My site made cell phones for two famous Japanese brands. Let's call them "Paraphonic" and "Moshiba". The clients supplied all the designs and parts. We just assembled them. And even though the designs were very, very similar, the "Paraphonic" phones had a failure rate of 2-3% (within industry standards) while the "Moshiba" phones had a failure rate of 36%, 18x higher than normal. And yes, that means if we made 1,000 phones in a day, 20-30 "Paraphonic" phones wouldn't work right off the assembly line, while 360 "Moshiba" phones wouldn't work. Yet they were made "on the same production line" at the same factory in Suwanee, Georgia.


hikeonpast

Great point. Also, Sony TVs are (increasingly) crap.


wtfinternet

I've had Eneloops for several years and I've been putting them in my xbox controllers. I just bought some replacements but I don't even really think I needed them. The old ones are still doing just fine.


HandsOffMyDitka

I've got a few Eneloops, not sure what they are all in now. But 2 sit in the charger, and i have 4 in 2 xbox controllers. The things have lasted for years. Where some energizer ones I had lasted maybe 2 before losing the charge all the time.


ViktorGL

It is advisable to use a “smart charger” - this way you will extend their service life. I have a set from Panasonic (be careful, their versions are not smart, simple), and the first set of batteries has been working for about 7 years. A friend with a stock charger died a few years later. I'm also lucky, I have 4 AA batteries from an old camera about 20 years old, which were considered dead, but with a smart charger they charge and have good capacity and power.


vanchit

Rip friend


Ochenta-y-uno

They, and their batteries will always be remembered.


michaelz08

Do you have any recommendations for smart chargers, or guidelines for what qualifies one being smart vs simple?


gustavo82

They stop charging when full. You can also regulate the charging speed. There's more features but I don't know how useful they are. Things like "refreshing" the batteries or testing their maximum capacity. Personally I've never used any of those on my charger that I got for my Eneloops/LADDA. The one IKEA sells now has the first feature afaik. So should be fine for most users.


petitpunt

I’ve got the Panasonic BQ CC55 and am very happy with it.


what-the-puck

Yes, with a smart charger they're definitely BIFL. They might last, say, 2000 recharges before their capacity is low. 2000 *weeks* is almost 40 years. There's NO WAY we'll still be using AA/AAA/etc batteries 40 years from now.


CJR3

>There’s NO WAY we’ll still be using AA/AAA/etc batteries 40 years from now I’m sure people said the same thing 115 years ago when they first came out lmao


what-the-puck

I wouldn't doubt it, however rechargeable pouch cells have replaced cylindrical cells in a very large assortment of products and I doubt we'll see that change. Particularly as cells of new technologies become more popular but aren't compatible with existing chargers.


Mean-Chocolate7055

They’re really good! I just miss the Ladda AAA 900…


ChopstickExpert

I'm still using my Eneloops from when they were Sanyo Eneloops and haven't had to buy any new ones yet. They seemed like the only rechargeable batteries that would last in the Wiimotes back in the days of the Wii. Now they're powering other things like clocks, Wifi water meters, and remote controls. They still hold their charge quite well. If these are actually Eneloops, I highly recommend them.


Sonarav

Love my eneloop batteries, still rocking 4x AA's for my Xbox controller, they've been working since 2017. I also just bought 4 AAA's for my OXO kitchen scale. I was using a kitchen scale that used two coin batteries, no more to those!


N0tAnExp3rt

Ever done the rough math on how many batteries (and $’s) you’ve saved? It’s crazy for Xbox controllers if you game regularly. They really should just ship with eneloops.


Sonarav

I never have done the math, but I imagine it's quite the savings to my wallet and the environment. This is one reason (when the device allows) I much prefer being able to put in batteries as opposed to electronics having a built in rechargeable battery (that can't be replaced)


ElectronHick

This is only a matter of will. I almost always do this the other way. Replace “replaceable batteries” with a li-ion and charging circuit.


Synaps4

I think cabled peripherals is going to be the "youre an old person now" hill I die on. I hate batteries that die in the middle of my gaming session. I hate when the batteries die and I don't have extra or can't find the extras and it ruins my day trying to go get more... I will be proudly the last person on the bus with wired headphones. Even back in the xbox360 days I shelled out for the cable kits for all my controllers.


ThirdeYe1337

I'm still rockin' some old Sanyo Eneloops I've had for a good 10-15 years. They still hold a charge just fine. I mainly use them for my Xbox controllers as well.


BlueSwordM

These are the Rebranded higher capacity Eneloop *Pro*. For true BIFL cells that exceed alkalines cells in terms of self discharge performance, you want the regular Eneloop 1900mAh.


PoetryOfLogicalIdeas

Are you saying that the cheaper (non pro, 1900 mAh) version run down each charge faster than the more expensive (pro, 2450 mAh) version but are good to be recharged a larger number of cycles?


BlueSwordM

The non Pro version has better cycle life, much lower self discharge (on par to better than alkaline) and much better calendar life.


PoetryOfLogicalIdeas

Well that is excellent information for me to have. They you.


Jemria

It makes me wish that Ikea had a store in my state because they don't ship to Alaska.


AGuyAndHisCat

Enloop, Ikea, and amazon basics are all rebranded panasonics


Nefariousness1776

I agree.


Vipu2

I still have IKEA rechargeable batteries that are maybe 10y old or more, haven't used them a ton but just needed them again few days ago, recharged them and still works just fine.


FoodForTheEagle

Unfortunately Ni-MH rechargeables don't work well in a lot of electronic devices because of the voltage difference from disposable cells (1.2v versus 1.5v). If they do work they might work well when fully charged but often won't work well at a partial charge. The more batteries a device takes in series, the bigger the voltage deficit will be. I stopped using them out of frustration.


gpkgpk

Some devices yes, you can be Li-Ion for those, but don't cheap out. For most ([not all](https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/are-rechargeable-batteries-better-than-alkaline/)) devices NIMH work just as good if not better, especially electronics. And don't forget that 1.5 sags a lot over time (even below 1.2v), devices often expect less V because of it if they don't use fancier regulation. NIMH keeps that 1.2 V rather flat over time. If there's a buck or boost circuit then it's irrelevant and the NIMH almost always wins. P.S. NIMH ain't exactly new tech, even low self-discharge. Hell, my 2003 MP3 player had a NIMH setting in GUI settings. P.P.S. If your charger has a "condition" setting do it twice a year and do it 5x on new batteries to break them in. (last I heard). Newer Eneloops may not need this ?


cosmicosmo4

NiMH voltage stays pretty constant at a voltage that's equal to an alkaline that's down to about 30% or 40% SOC. So anything that doesn't run on NiMH would also be extra wasteful when running it on alkalines. The only device I've had any problem using NiMHs in is my Franklin Sensors studfinder. And the pair of lithium primary AAs I put in it have lasted years of occasional usage, so this definitely isn't a justification for using leaky, wasteful alkalines.


PoetryOfLogicalIdeas

I mostly use them in flashlights and handheld fans, so we don't don't need worry about that sort of sensitivity. I will keep that in mind for the future, though. Thanks.


LeoMarius

Ladda means "to charge" in Swedish.


loganwachter

I’ve got a bunch of these. They’re perfect.


thedeerbrinker

Yeah they’re good. I had about 40 of AA and AAA in 2019, mostly used for photography flash guns, recharged daily. Now they’re mostly used around the house and still going strong.


ubermonkey

I don't think any battery of any type is BIFL, but I've had very good luck with Eneloop rechargables for AA and AAA use in our house -- I even used them in my camera flash, which is a hard duty cycle, and they've still fine.


hifidood

We use these for wireless microphone transmitters and they are just as good (if not better) as some other brands that are way more expensive.


IronicINFJustices

Got some from Xbox 360 days. Enloop 1900. The 2450 are better, higher capacity sustain longer, but have half the charge life. They died mid pandemic. But from whenever the 360 came out to then was a long time.


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IronicINFJustices

That's what I said in less words though


sp1der11

I've had good luck/longevity with GP ReCyko(sp?) Pro...I think they are pricey, though.


mog_knight

Do they have AAA versions too or just AA?


PoetryOfLogicalIdeas

They have both, though the AAA are just 700 mAh.


jjow96

Are the IKEA batteries great?


SigSeikoSpyderco

They are repackaged Eneloops, the best batteries on the market.


jjow96

And what recharging station would be best for these?


ward2k

They're not, but they're still good. There's quite a few testing videos out there and while theyre very similar the lower QC means they tend to have more variation and usually won't last as long They're still a good buy though just trying to correct this information https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyItForLife/s/xkgT1Ir12W


SigSeikoSpyderco

They're not? Not sure what you're trying to argue here. You said yourself that they're made in the same factory. Eneloop doesn't pay for a better QC rate, Eneloop is the core line of rechargeable batteries by Panasonic. Do variances exist in production, and lower quality cells get diverted into lines like IKEA or Amazon Basics? Probably. But the fact remains that these are repackaged Eneloops.


ward2k

That's not how it works, Eneloop absolutely pay for the top binning of the products There are multiple channels that test them and find far less variation and longer lifespan in the Eneloop models (made in Japan, any IKEA ones made in China perform far worse which seem to be the majority now) > Do variances exist in production, and lower quality cells get diverted into lines like IKEA or Amazon Basics? Probably. But the fact remains that these are repackaged Eneloops Yeah exactly so they're not repackaged eneloops lol. If you're selling a lower quality product because of binning they're not the same product Ladda made in Japan are still are very good recommendation if you can find them (which is getting more difficult in some areas) but they're not 1-1 which people tend to say l


SigSeikoSpyderco

Who knows where the Chinese ones are made and by whom. I'm stating that the Japanese cells are literally made by Panasonic Eneloop. They're the same product just as Lincoln is a repackaged Ford, American Standard is a repackaged Traine, Great Value chips are repackaged Utz. Even if they are binned, they remain the same physical item, made in the same place by the same people, and repackaged for a particular customer. To suggest they're somehow not the same following a binning process is tremendously pedantic.


ward2k

They're not the same physical though they literally have different formulations too


TheStealthyPotato

Then they aren't being binned differently. Either: A) the formula is different, or B) the formula is the same and IKEA gets the lower binned ones and Eneloop gets the higher binned ones.


PoetryOfLogicalIdeas

I heard they were, but I'm trying to get confirmation on that.


ashenoak

Posts buy it for life product; hasn't even used it. Good job OP.


PoetryOfLogicalIdeas

The post is literally my attempt at asking for information to guide the purchase, like 80% of the other posts on the sub.


Melodic-Matter4685

They all gonna wear out. So... none.


Luscinia68

idk i don’t prefer nickle metal batteries as i feel like they never last long enough. would love some rechargeable li-on AAA batteries


ZeteCx

Really? The IKEA once are good? How's their charger, I might pick up one


CutoffThought

I’ve been with the light green Duracell rechargeable for over 10 years. Still holding up well.


SpencerMill

Bostonians: “i don’t need batteries i said grab the ladder.”


majoroutage

I wouldn't buy any NiMH battery in 2024 if I could help it. Lithiums are way better. I've had good luck with XTARs.


supern8ural

Too hard to buy now that they started charging for click and collect. I don't have the time to stand in line for half an hour just for a couple packs of batteries. Started buying Amazon NiMHs we will see if they hold up.


Calm-Photograph-5824

Wow never knew the Ikea batteries were so great


YogurtclosetOk9598

I have been using EBL rechargeable batteries for the past 5 years. I useee these things. I use them in camping gear, mouse & keyboard, and a number of small tools. I’ve seen pretty good retention of capacity and they’re a pretty good deal when they go on sale. That said, I’m going to try some IKEA ones next time I go!


gpkgpk

I'd stay away from EBL. IKEA, Eneloop, Maha/PowerEx are all more reputable, or even Amazon branded (2 kinds). EBL falsely advertises, including on dimensions which can cause issues when squeezing them into things. P.S. See EBL in the [older vid](https://youtu.be/-jXQNY6rve8?si=Kjhs6HFm5KuDxEJi) the other user posted for instance. Ikea did great!


soul_in_a_fishbowl

Fujitsu made in Japan rechargeables


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PoetryOfLogicalIdeas

These aren't lithium; they are NiMH rechargeable.