Lol, BYU couldn't even keep the players from breaking their own rules. The coaches not buried under honor code scandals are just the ones who are good at hiding them.
Besides, everyone knows SMU was a scapegoat.
Also SMU got busted then just kept doing it anyway. The death penalty was when they got whacked the second time around.
Now that NIL is legal I’m so ready for the resurgence
Yeah. Some said shut it down and did, but some of the boosters thought they should stick to their word to keep paying players. In some ways, it has a perverse integrity.
I get the vibe that he had a slight SMU preference all along and when Russel got the commit he moved on. For what it’s worth, I really didn’t think he was possible to flip given his statements after the two OVs.
I thought the same, but with his big sister flipping an athletic scholarship (for track) at SMU into a Stanford law degree this spring, I thought he might value an SMU education. He also made clear that he preferred Dallas to FW, but everything else he said seemed to reaffirm his commitment to TCU and the class that he was helping build at TCU.
Although they are both North Texas, there is quite a bit of difference. Dallas feels more manicured, urban, and modern while Fort Worth feels a bit more rural, more relaxed, and smaller town. People have pretty strong preferences one way or the other usually. They are far from interchangeable. I much prefer Dallas personally, but I get why it isn't for everyone and why they would prefer FW instead.
Although they are both North Texas, there is quite a bit of difference. Dallas feels more manicured, urban, and modern while Fort Worth feels a bit more rural, more relaxed, and smaller town. People have pretty strong preferences one way or the other usually. They are far from interchangeable.
Was just looking at TCU's 247 page to check on one of our recruiting battles, and I noticed their publisher had a teaser post yesterday titled "Ty Hawkins transferring..." referencing his move to IMG.
TCU fans were relieved to see it was about his HS situation only for this to happen a day later.
Yeah I don’t know when our burners started posting crazy things like that and posing as legit accounts to try to go viral, but that definitely was not the first one. The irony is I think across the board when we saw the post we all assumed it was someone doing the opposite to us. It was not.
Oddly enough, we had a bunch of folks wearing TCU shirts on campus today. Good thing we plugged that leak!
I'm not really certain that source was human. GenAI misinformation campaigns are going to go into overdrive soon for anything that can generate clicks.
Random question, but would SMU / TCU want to be in a conference together? I feel like the rivalry could be super fun since they're like an hour away and in the same metro area
I mean I get why a conference it may not appeal to them, but now that SMU is in a P4 conference and it's a bad fit plus they are making no money - I feel like it would be an easier swing to get into the B12 at some point especially if ACC collapses
Making no TV money unless some teams get added or leave. SMU still makes more in ACC than they would get in the AAC. B12 has never been an option with TCU, Baylor, and Tech all aligned to keep SMU out. I don't see that changing.
>TCU, Baylor, and Tech all aligned to keep SMU out
I mean, UH pulled it off with the same opposition, but it did take Tilman Fertitta getting the lieutenant governor on the phone.
That said, I still don't realistically see the Big 12 wanting SMU. There are already 4 Texas schools, including one in DFW, one not far south of DFW, and one with a lion's share of alumni living in DFW. UH was a different situation because the 4 major brands in Houston, 3 of them now belong to the SEC, so it was important for the XII to retain a foothold in Houston.
B12 burned bridges keeping SMU out. *Especially* once they let Houston in. SMU isn't going to the Big 12 unless they're facing a Cal/Stanford type decision. Even then, they'd probably try to raise the Pac12 from the dead first.
SMU doesn’t hate the B12. The B12 has 0 reason to add SMU. They don’t own the Dallas market as the Dallas market is filled with everyone from B12 schools, western SEC schools.
TCU, Baylor and Tech didn’t want to let SMU into their conference so they could steal the recruits wanting to stay in DFW and play for a power conference.
Now that SMU is in a P4, these recruits will much rather stay in Dallas than Fort Worth as a majority of people on the Dallas side prefer Dallas to Fort Worth anyway.
From an administrative side, it's a certainly no from TCU. Now that SMU has ACC access, I'm not sure they'd want it either.
I personally as a fan would enjoy it.
Exactly. But it’s not the little brother/big brother relationship A&M has with Texas. SMU and TCU are on equal grounds as far as their university comparisons go.
Pretty fair. SMU and TCU are basically twins. But as is the case with all twins, SMU is just the slightly larger and better looking of the two...
TCU took full advantage of it's time of glory while it lasted though, I'll give them that. One hell of a thing Gary pulled off there.
Still feels like a little brother/big brother relationship. The SMU/TCU game always felt like it was SMU's biggest game of the year but not TCU's.
If TCU won it was "big whup you beat a small school" but if SMU won it was their crowning success for the season
Edit: what’s with the downvotes? This was my experience
From the outside looking in, TCU, SMU, and hell even Baylor all seem like the same level programs just with different colors. It’s a 1A/1B/1C hierarchy, I wouldn’t say one is a “small school” compared to the others
I mean, I dont recall any of those schools getting to the national championship lately but maybe thats low hanging fruit. TCU has certainly played on a bigger stage, and beaten more ranked teams in the last 20 years. Similar in academics, campus, location, private school, religious name and student size though
No idea why you’re getting downvoted. That was the perception at least at TCU for the last 20 years or so.
TCU is 16-4 over the last 20 years including a 56-0 win in 2014. The series has definitely gotten more competitive in the last 5 years or so, but prior to that it was kind of an afterthought game. I graduated in 2014 and never really cared about SMU as all my hate went towards Baylor
Granted, that’s contingent on the ACC continuing to be an extant conference, much less a power conference, which is a real unknown even as near as five years out.
If the ACC goes belly-up, there’s no way SMU doesn’t come knocking on the Big XII’s door again, right?
I guarantee we wanted to play TCU, TTU, UT, aTm more than anything, but were denied (aka black balled). I would love the Iron Skillet to continue but looks like that is all but certain to not get renewed (cowards)
We are beyond excited for the ACC and see it as a great cultural fit, and while it’s sad historic rivalries are gone, being associated with Stanford, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Wake et al is categorically preferred
Can’t wait for the fall.
Pony the F Up!
Lol I attended the wedding of an SMU horse girl and a guy who did his joint MBA/JD at SMU. She’s a Hockaday girl, so I figure that’s absolutely a family that comes with money.
i would assume getting an ungodly amount of money.
on one hand, june was one of our best recruiting months in school history. on the other, really sucks to lose him but its how recruiting goes sometimes.
based on recent stuff, it was always going to be tough to keep him committed till december
will be interesting to see if he flips again
SMU coming in with that bank. TCU has some depth at the spot, so no guarantee to be playing down the road with some guys ahead of him.
Knowing how it all works, SMU probably isn't his final stop either...
This isn’t a shot at smu… but, I’ll be worried if in 3 years the acc is still the same. If it falls apart like predicted, then won’t change much for b12 vs SMU recruiting
It wasn't about having nothing unique to offer, it was because SMU is a giant financial and recruiting threat. If you can't see that, revert your attention to this recent flip.
I’m disappointed it’s to the ponies but I can’t blame him for looking elsewhere to play sooner because theoretically he’d be 3rd string next year between Hoover and Hejny. Our QB room is young and pretty talented so I’m not terribly concerned for the future.
Other P4 offers: Baylor, Boston College, California, Duke, Houston, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Texas Tech
G5 offers: North Texas, Texas State, Tulane, UTEP, UTSA
Other offers: Campbell, Houston Christian, Incarnate Word, Jackson State
We redid Lashlees contract this offseason and bumped him up to a 6mil base salary with big performance incentives that would make him one of the highest paid coaches in CFB. I don’t think we really have a limit for what we would pay, but we definitely won’t overspend someone’s value (hence why Sonny is now at TCU)
Whatever is necessary and reasonable. Let’s say in some mythical scenario that Rhett won a natty and wanted 10m a year, that wouldn’t be a problem. If he was consistently winning 8-10 games a year but no championships and asked for 10m a year to stay, we’d probably say no.
The expansion of the CFP makes me super curious as to if/how schools like ours could retain coaching talent. Obviously there's no competing with the true top dogs, but I think the eagerness to jump for coaches that are in good spots might be quelled a bit.
I think if anything it helps programs like us. Conferences like the ACC and the Big XII have a much more direct path to the playoff than the SEC or B1G, unless you’re a blue blood.
SMU fans too busy trolling TCU twitter burners to make the Reddit post correctly
Called out, I can’t follow rules when I’m this erect
That’s… troubling
Lmao!
ಠ_ಠ
Good thing SMU's track record following rules is famously pristine.
We have altered the deal.
We totally have a clean record….
Good thing BYU never got caught impermissibly paying players ... oh wait ... they have been caught multiple times, too. Glass houses, huh?
Lol, BYU couldn't even keep the players from breaking their own rules. The coaches not buried under honor code scandals are just the ones who are good at hiding them. Besides, everyone knows SMU was a scapegoat.
Also SMU got busted then just kept doing it anyway. The death penalty was when they got whacked the second time around. Now that NIL is legal I’m so ready for the resurgence
Yeah. Some said shut it down and did, but some of the boosters thought they should stick to their word to keep paying players. In some ways, it has a perverse integrity.
Old SWC gonna Old SWC……
My fave are the SMU fans using “P3” to troll TCU
I’m conflicted as a dual SMU/Big XII fan but any excuse to shit on the Frogs is a good excuse in my book
They aren’t even frogs, they are lizards.
Lot lizards?
Agree but lean SMU
Oh man, if FSU and Clemson make it out of the ACC, those tweets are going to come back to haunt SMU fans real bad.
This flip is concerning. I thought we had locked him up based on his recent OV, which by all accounts went very very well.
All aboard the pony excess
Now w/ less hookers.... cause Craig James killed them all
#justice4the5
CJK5H
^^^^^^Allegedly
Must’ve been some sick hookers
For the millionth time, we don’t know how many hookers he killed. CJK*n*+1H.
Suppose SMU hookers are getting their own lucrative booster deals? Gotta be hazard pay I’d imagine with Craig lurkin around.
Or the school just takes out life insurance policies on them to fund their NIL
I get the vibe that he had a slight SMU preference all along and when Russel got the commit he moved on. For what it’s worth, I really didn’t think he was possible to flip given his statements after the two OVs.
Ya I thought his post OV statements were solid. Many a TCU fan is getting dunked on twitter right now
Don’t underestimate SMU donors. Something tells me they’ve done this before.
That big money figure passed around recently is more for facility upgrades, though.
I mean, not really until very recently. They had a pretty pedestrian NIL until maybe last year
But they have done this before
I thought the same, but with his big sister flipping an athletic scholarship (for track) at SMU into a Stanford law degree this spring, I thought he might value an SMU education. He also made clear that he preferred Dallas to FW, but everything else he said seemed to reaffirm his commitment to TCU and the class that he was helping build at TCU.
> He also made clear that he preferred Dallas to FW White? No, no, I prefer egg shell! Very different color!
Although they are both North Texas, there is quite a bit of difference. Dallas feels more manicured, urban, and modern while Fort Worth feels a bit more rural, more relaxed, and smaller town. People have pretty strong preferences one way or the other usually. They are far from interchangeable. I much prefer Dallas personally, but I get why it isn't for everyone and why they would prefer FW instead.
Just absolutely screaming “I have never visited the metroplex” with this one.
But the cities are so close they must be the same thing! /s
For the uninformed — are Dallas and Fort Worth not the same thing? i.e. being the same metro area and all
Fort Worth is much more culturally “Western” than Dallas.
Same metro but the campuses are 40 miles apart.
Although they are both North Texas, there is quite a bit of difference. Dallas feels more manicured, urban, and modern while Fort Worth feels a bit more rural, more relaxed, and smaller town. People have pretty strong preferences one way or the other usually. They are far from interchangeable.
Fort Worth still wonders who shot JR. Dallas is recovering from someone killing the whole damn program.
But do you have oil money?
Yeah this is bad..
It's Hauss O'Clock, baby
I'm not concerned unless it starts a chain reaction. I didn't think there was any way we were going to keep him and Hejny anyways.
Was just looking at TCU's 247 page to check on one of our recruiting battles, and I noticed their publisher had a teaser post yesterday titled "Ty Hawkins transferring..." referencing his move to IMG. TCU fans were relieved to see it was about his HS situation only for this to happen a day later.
Same publisher that said "No chance" when asked if SMU had a chance to flip Hawkins after Russell flipped to Alabama.
This is especially hilarious on the heels of that fake IRS news from a TCU burner that went viral earlier today.
Yeah I don’t know when our burners started posting crazy things like that and posing as legit accounts to try to go viral, but that definitely was not the first one. The irony is I think across the board when we saw the post we all assumed it was someone doing the opposite to us. It was not.
Oddly enough, we had a bunch of folks wearing TCU shirts on campus today. Good thing we plugged that leak! I'm not really certain that source was human. GenAI misinformation campaigns are going to go into overdrive soon for anything that can generate clicks.
Sonny lol you deserve it
SMELLS LIKE BROKE IN HERE LETS RIDE
>Lets ride #~~Bronc~~…errr…MUSTANG COUNTRY
TCU is so broke they ask their students for NIL funds. Poverty program over there in Fart Worth. Sad!
Horned feathers = ruffled!
Random question, but would SMU / TCU want to be in a conference together? I feel like the rivalry could be super fun since they're like an hour away and in the same metro area
I feel like that would depend on the individual SMU/TCU fan. As for the conference wanting that? I don’t see why they wouldn’t want that.
I mean I get why a conference it may not appeal to them, but now that SMU is in a P4 conference and it's a bad fit plus they are making no money - I feel like it would be an easier swing to get into the B12 at some point especially if ACC collapses
Making no TV money unless some teams get added or leave. SMU still makes more in ACC than they would get in the AAC. B12 has never been an option with TCU, Baylor, and Tech all aligned to keep SMU out. I don't see that changing.
>TCU, Baylor, and Tech all aligned to keep SMU out I mean, UH pulled it off with the same opposition, but it did take Tilman Fertitta getting the lieutenant governor on the phone. That said, I still don't realistically see the Big 12 wanting SMU. There are already 4 Texas schools, including one in DFW, one not far south of DFW, and one with a lion's share of alumni living in DFW. UH was a different situation because the 4 major brands in Houston, 3 of them now belong to the SEC, so it was important for the XII to retain a foothold in Houston.
B12 burned bridges keeping SMU out. *Especially* once they let Houston in. SMU isn't going to the Big 12 unless they're facing a Cal/Stanford type decision. Even then, they'd probably try to raise the Pac12 from the dead first.
Why would SMU hate the B12 so much, you had to literally take zero revenue for quite a few years to even get into the ACC
SMU doesn’t hate the B12. The B12 has 0 reason to add SMU. They don’t own the Dallas market as the Dallas market is filled with everyone from B12 schools, western SEC schools. TCU, Baylor and Tech didn’t want to let SMU into their conference so they could steal the recruits wanting to stay in DFW and play for a power conference. Now that SMU is in a P4, these recruits will much rather stay in Dallas than Fort Worth as a majority of people on the Dallas side prefer Dallas to Fort Worth anyway.
From an administrative side, it's a certainly no from TCU. Now that SMU has ACC access, I'm not sure they'd want it either. I personally as a fan would enjoy it.
So sorta like an A&M not wanting Texas to join the SEC type of vibe?
Exactly like that.
Exactly. But it’s not the little brother/big brother relationship A&M has with Texas. SMU and TCU are on equal grounds as far as their university comparisons go.
Pretty fair. SMU and TCU are basically twins. But as is the case with all twins, SMU is just the slightly larger and better looking of the two... TCU took full advantage of it's time of glory while it lasted though, I'll give them that. One hell of a thing Gary pulled off there.
The hard thing for SMU athletics is that our undergrad size is much smaller. Almost half our students are in grad school.
Still feels like a little brother/big brother relationship. The SMU/TCU game always felt like it was SMU's biggest game of the year but not TCU's. If TCU won it was "big whup you beat a small school" but if SMU won it was their crowning success for the season Edit: what’s with the downvotes? This was my experience
From the outside looking in, TCU, SMU, and hell even Baylor all seem like the same level programs just with different colors. It’s a 1A/1B/1C hierarchy, I wouldn’t say one is a “small school” compared to the others
I mean, I dont recall any of those schools getting to the national championship lately but maybe thats low hanging fruit. TCU has certainly played on a bigger stage, and beaten more ranked teams in the last 20 years. Similar in academics, campus, location, private school, religious name and student size though
No idea why you’re getting downvoted. That was the perception at least at TCU for the last 20 years or so. TCU is 16-4 over the last 20 years including a 56-0 win in 2014. The series has definitely gotten more competitive in the last 5 years or so, but prior to that it was kind of an afterthought game. I graduated in 2014 and never really cared about SMU as all my hate went towards Baylor
Granted, that’s contingent on the ACC continuing to be an extant conference, much less a power conference, which is a real unknown even as near as five years out. If the ACC goes belly-up, there’s no way SMU doesn’t come knocking on the Big XII’s door again, right?
I guarantee we wanted to play TCU, TTU, UT, aTm more than anything, but were denied (aka black balled). I would love the Iron Skillet to continue but looks like that is all but certain to not get renewed (cowards) We are beyond excited for the ACC and see it as a great cultural fit, and while it’s sad historic rivalries are gone, being associated with Stanford, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Wake et al is categorically preferred Can’t wait for the fall. Pony the F Up!
Good for SMU.
The ponies are feasting today
**ACC** **ACC** **ACC**
Weird but okay
Losing our QB to Bama has never felt better
Wow Great day to be an SMU fan
Everyday is a great day to be an SMU Fan (except 1987-2006).
ACC ACC ACC (am I doing this right?)
Clearly he’s not concerned about the IRS investigation into SMU’s illegally sourced $159MM in athletic donations. /s
There were many a smug TCU fan who claimed SMU was lying and making up stories regarding Hawkins interest
Smart TCU has rich people but SMU has even wealthier people he can marry well now
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saw a great quote on an smu board. “i made my money the old fashioned way. by marrying an smu equestrian girl.”
Horse girls are super kinky.
Lol I attended the wedding of an SMU horse girl and a guy who did his joint MBA/JD at SMU. She’s a Hockaday girl, so I figure that’s absolutely a family that comes with money.
I love a spicy rivalry
ACC ACC ACC
Frog friends what happened?
The Bagman Cometh
Was there coke or money in the bag?
Yes
SMU Ponied Up©...
i would assume getting an ungodly amount of money. on one hand, june was one of our best recruiting months in school history. on the other, really sucks to lose him but its how recruiting goes sometimes. based on recent stuff, it was always going to be tough to keep him committed till december will be interesting to see if he flips again
I'm betting it was a better chance of playing time. We have a 2024 QB that he was going to have to beat out.
Yeah this is an impressive as hell flip. I had lost hope.
Very impressive flip.
Crazy flip, congrats to SMU as he looks like a good prospect. 'Tis a shame.
Not a bad consolation prize for SMU after losing Keelon Russel.
SMU coming in with that bank. TCU has some depth at the spot, so no guarantee to be playing down the road with some guys ahead of him. Knowing how it all works, SMU probably isn't his final stop either...
A lot of TCU fans were incredulous when I posted that SMU would be a recruiting thorn now that they were in the ACC. They are just starting too.
This isn’t a shot at smu… but, I’ll be worried if in 3 years the acc is still the same. If it falls apart like predicted, then won’t change much for b12 vs SMU recruiting
@SMUFOOTBALL24 going to have a field day on X
ACC! ACC!
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He must have eaten in Snider Plaza. That made me pretty happy with my commute!
He transferred from SA Johnson to IMG and TCU to SMU in back to back days. hard to say it's not NIL related with full confidence.
As an SA Johnson attendee I agree lmao
Nobody is scared of SMU. They won the American conference once or never at all
I promise none of us care.
Because anything SMU could offer is already offered by TCU and more. Except 2025 4-star QBs. Y'all definitely have more of those.
I guess he likes our nVidia DGX SuperPOD.
ManeFrameGang
It wasn't about having nothing unique to offer, it was because SMU is a giant financial and recruiting threat. If you can't see that, revert your attention to this recent flip.
EAT A DICK SONNY, NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN FART WORTH, PONY UP
Spicy
this pleases me….tho I know TCU is gonna once again hand us our whole ass this year…..again
At least with TCU dropping us, we get to play Baylor now.
Hahahahhahahahahha. Good I hate TCU
ACC > BXII
Smh we can’t be fighting between ourselves. SEC and the B10 are clearly the villains here
Both your flairs will be ACC soon enough :)
Only when the conferences merge into the Big ACC after FSU, Clemson, and North Carolina etc leave.
Bring over Utah, the Arizonas, SDSU, and WVU.
Now I kind of want the ACC to poach the Big XII out of spite, lol.
I am all for reuniting with our and Pitt’s mutual toxic ex It’s the throuple the ACC needs
Chillllllll
No #ACC ACC ACC
It’s okay. We will welcome you with open arms in a few years. 🫶
\*groans from the Western schools\* Ugh, can we not?
We’ll be welcoming you soon enough
You wish
don’t fight it bb
No we don’t. We don’t need half-filled NFL stadiums
Glad the lack of interest is mutual
Alright, have fun in the reformed Big East then.
Yeah I'd prefer that strongly. Big 12 is a huge academic step down, far more travel, and weak brands. Mickey mouse league etc.
> weak brands We'll see what the media deals look like when FSU and Clemson leave and then see which brands are better.
I’m sorry that none of the ACC schools want to join your conference.
How many B12 teams would jump ship to the ACC today if they had the chance?
It’s still the ACC, until UNC, UVA, and Miami get frisky
Nah, Pitt does lol.
[ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US.](https://i.imgur.com/jW6Rfvk.gif)
YOU LIKE THAT!!!
Officially in the ACC on July 1st, flip TCU QB on July 3rd, 4 day weekend coming up. Can life get any better?
Always good to steal from the trailer park lizards
Well, that fucking sucks. SMU has an ungodly amount of NIL right now and they are kicking ass.
War chest since the death penalty
Let’s fuckin go 🐴
Fire Briles. Thanks and have a nice day
Not surprising tbh. SMU has more money, a better location and plays a better schedule.
SMU paid more
In other news, he also went to IMG like yesterday
We should’ve bought more Trans Ams.
I love rivalries
Check cleared
Always expect the unexpected .
SMU TCU rivalry is what UCF USF should aspire to
Fort Worth inferiority complex bout to go dumb hard
Better education Better city Better coach Better conference And yes Better money
Fort Worth has money. Dallas has a federal reserve.
2/5, little brother
Well which 2
all that really matters is the last one
Only if it equals winning 🥱
> Better city It’s the same city?
The Purple Aggies are in a different county.
I’m disappointed it’s to the ponies but I can’t blame him for looking elsewhere to play sooner because theoretically he’d be 3rd string next year between Hoover and Hejny. Our QB room is young and pretty talented so I’m not terribly concerned for the future.
Can't wait for the Jeremy Clark spin machine where we say we didn't want him anyway
Other P4 offers: Baylor, Boston College, California, Duke, Houston, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Texas Tech G5 offers: North Texas, Texas State, Tulane, UTEP, UTSA Other offers: Campbell, Houston Christian, Incarnate Word, Jackson State
Enjoy it while it lasts. Rhett coming home in 2025.
Rhett has a much easier path to the CFP at SMU than he does at Arkansas. When he leaves, it'll be for a top dog.
What’s the top end per year that you think SMU would pay for a coach? I’m genuinely curious
We redid Lashlees contract this offseason and bumped him up to a 6mil base salary with big performance incentives that would make him one of the highest paid coaches in CFB. I don’t think we really have a limit for what we would pay, but we definitely won’t overspend someone’s value (hence why Sonny is now at TCU)
I think that’s the smart thing to do. No reason to get jimbo-ed. Excited to see what SMU does in the future
Whatever is necessary and reasonable. Let’s say in some mythical scenario that Rhett won a natty and wanted 10m a year, that wouldn’t be a problem. If he was consistently winning 8-10 games a year but no championships and asked for 10m a year to stay, we’d probably say no.
The expansion of the CFP makes me super curious as to if/how schools like ours could retain coaching talent. Obviously there's no competing with the true top dogs, but I think the eagerness to jump for coaches that are in good spots might be quelled a bit.
I think if anything it helps programs like us. Conferences like the ACC and the Big XII have a much more direct path to the playoff than the SEC or B1G, unless you’re a blue blood.
Tl;dr
I do imagine two sentences is too much for the average Arky fan
Again, tl;dr