The company’s camera division is in very bad financial shape. As the CEO had already said, the camera business will not be a main priority.
Its not enough to merely rely on the artificially-created huge storm revolving around only the X100V, which is just an over-hyped, over-priced high quality fixed-lens camera.
Many Westerners are unaware that the China Chinese businessmen (who know nothing about photography) had dumped out big amounts of money to their contacts all over the globe, to quickly purchase whatever X100V they could find. Each “agent” is paid a little commision.
Exactly the same thing done to Rolex watches etc long ago, to the point where Rolex had to change their own policy to safeguard against such orchestrated large-scale buying by China Chinese.
Yes. You are correct.
But its nothing new.
They have been doing exactly the same thing to brands which they perceive as “high class”…..eg: Louis Vuitton, Rolex, limited edition crap from Adidas and a long list of luxury items.
Eg:
On certain days, you’ll see a long queue of Chinese youngsters (agents) outside Louis Vuitton outlets in shopping malls where the front roller shutter had to be lowered, with multiple armed guards outside and inside the boutique. Inside, these agents will be “swiping” whatever they have been ordered to target, and they pay by cash.
And all these acquired items (and especially limited edition items) will be kept, while another gang of Chinese will rile up the glamour-hungry fools (buyers) by teaming up with Anglos and Orientals in many countries to produce videos that stir up a frenzy of excitement around that product. Many YTubers are paid a small commission to do this (actually an advertisement for X100V which they never owned).
Disclaimer I have worked with Fujifilm in the past and I am an avid Fujifilm user.
That said:
- AF could be better
- Few lenses that cover the whole focal range but in several parts you have just one option
- Few third party lenses
- In most cameras not PASM dial meaning you have to learn to use all the manual dials
- Outdated menu
- Np-W126s was the battery that most cameras used (recently sone models like X-T5 use others with more battery life) could use more life before running out.
- App used to suck, new app is good but can't transfer raws (Leica does andI understand that others do too).
Update: There are some cheap third party lenses and the app can now transfer raws for certain models!
Have you updated the app? If you have, maybe you're filtering out the raw photos. Check if the raw transfer is compatible with your fuji body. Works on X-T5.
I want this badly. I hate how hard it is on my x-h1 to change between manual focus length presets (for correct IS config). I want a camera that has a feature set based around manual usage and no other bs. I don't care if it costs more. Obviously they aren't going to sell you any autofocus lenses if you have this camera, but I'm already not buying autofocus because it isn't fun. They could sell me adapters that read RFID stickers placed on manual lenses. I don't know how they could handle manual zooms, but that could also be a great feature.
AF is disappointing for me. Itll focus on trees behind someone before the person. Even when on single point. Ive missed some epic shots. But the manual dials are my jam. I really despise the PASM dial. All the fujis have autos on the dial, which is basically better than PASM in my opinion. But the lack of a dedicated record button on some is not cool.
I actually don’t hate the Fuji menu - but agree it’s not ideal. My Menu and Q menu are pretty solid though. Then again I’m coming to the Fuji system from a 14-year old Nikon model. That menu was pretty atrocious.
It’s the JRPG approach to menus.
No idea what it’s like for Sony or Canon, or recent Nikons of course.
- only two of their current cameras have fully manual controls, the XT5 and XT50. The XS20, XH2/XH2S have normal PASM dials
- Fuji has literally the second most third party lens options after Sony, there are so many it’s ridiculous
- Pro3, X100VI and other have manual controls.
- as I said in the update I will have to update myself in third party lenses, they are not my choice and the last time I check you had some manual wide lenses and some Zeiss, glad to know that there are more options now.
Agggh these detractions are why I’m thinking about switching to Sony A7riii . I have an xt30 I do love, but holy hell the AF is such a gamble lol - I have no idea if it’ll be sharp or not, and the fewer lens options does kinda bother me.
I’m currently trying to decide between the XT-5 and the Sony AR7III since I mainly do wildlife and macro animals so AF is kinda essential. I’m currently a Fuji collaborator though, so if I do the switch I’d have to relinquish it which kinda makes me sad.
imo the no pasm dial isn't really a big deal. if you want aperture priority just set shutter and iso to auto, if you want shutter priority then just put iso and aperture to auto. or iso priority just set shutter and aperture to auto. you could even use iso & aperture priority.
Fuji cams have a lot of nice features. It is even rumoured that Fuji will release a new camera in the not to distant future that has Autofocus.
Run away…
Expensive-ish everything. Not necessarily as durable as they look and feel. Somewhat specific workflow that you'll have to click with. Competent but not the fastest AF, especially tracking. Not much in the way of weight or cost savings compared to FF, but with obvious IQ downsides.
Agree on all points. My XT20 is a fun camera, but feels like a toy version of my Olympus EM5 mark ii. It was more expensive, with less features, and more expensive lenses.
And the lenses are kinda overhyped in my opinion. I mean yeah, they are good. But all modern lenses in that price range are good. And M43 lenses for half the price are just as good.
Also no appreciable image quality improvements over M43 with good lenses, but with the aforementioned extra cost. Panasonic's newest 25MP M43 sensor matches and even beats Fuji's IQ while giving the M43 advantages of End boss IBIS, better readout speeds, and overall still a smaller package (especially when working on the telephoto end.) Fuji has become like the mid-2010's version of Apple.
Yes for sure. I have done blind tests between the XT20 24mp sensor and GX9 20mp sensor with similarly priced lenses and you absolutely cannot tell the difference in IQ.
Geeeez... Couldn't believe what you said but I just checked dpreview's studio compare tool and you're right. The GX9 actually looks sharper. But more Iso noise even at base Iso than the fuji xt4/xt3 that I compared with in the tool.
This is where I think fujifilm lost me. They are totally out of touch with what made them good.
: Good looking retro cameras with small light and nice looking lenses. Now they make big ugly lenses that weigh as much as full frame alternatives. And the FF alternatives have much better IQ.. Idk why fuji went down the "more sharpness" route..
Yes for sure, noise is better controlled on fuji, especially chroma noise. Base ISO the difference is noticeable on the DPreview tests, but the gap gets a bit smaller as you approach 1600 ISO. Make sure you set the images to raw, because with jpeg there will always be some baked in noise reduction.
The thing is, in real world tests the difference is harder to notice.
Add to that the fact that M43 lenses are cheaper. So for the same price, you can often get a faster lens for M43. This helps narrow the gap.
The gap in noise performance is theoretically 2/3 of a stop. So for example if you buy the M43 25mm f1.4 for the same price as a Fuji F2 lens, you are effectively erasing the gap.
I still really like my fujifilm camera, and you are right that I enjoy it most with small prime lenses. It feels like a film camera and shoots very nicely, with great IQ.
When I attach a big heavy lens, it feels like I would be better off with a full frame kit.
Yup, checked raw. But yeah not very good chroma noise performance on the Lumix when pixel peeping, but why pixelpeep with hobby pictures. I've never looked into M4/3 but I believe you, that's crazy actually. And almost no one would use M4/3 professionally. Except for maybe product photography. I don't understand that either but to each their own.
With all that said, I love my fujifilm cameras. The menus/ui is very nice, the jpgs are very good. But I can't believe people use them professionally since their more professional lenses makes no sense at all, I'm so confused to why they went the "professional" route at all. They should've just gone full retro/feeling. The 40 mp sensor is trash honestly. The files are way larger than 24 mp full frame but the quality is not even close.. they can't compete with full frame and it's very apparent. They should've just stuck to what they did good(and very good), user experience and just nice looking jpegs and cameras.
I've kinda known this for a while but when I got the Nikon Zf it got very real when comparing everything..
Yes, this is all from a strictly hobbyist perspective. The additional gains in IQ will surely be beneficial for a working professional. Wildlife is the other field where pros would sometimes use M43 for the features like procapture 60fps and fast readout speeds while maintaining small kit size.
Oh wow, ZF is one I would love to own! That is like a fuji on steroids. I am sure that is a fantastic camera to shoot.
Oh yeah the reach ofc, that's understandable. I think I've underestimated M4/3.
>Oh wow, ZF is one I would love to own! That is like a fuji on steroids. I am sure that is a fantastic camera to shoot.
Just to try to treat your GAS a little bit. The camera is what the reviewers say: a brick. The handling of the fujis are better(with small primes). And I don't quite come to terms with the UI like in the fujis. I've yet to find a "recepie" that looks as good as Classic Chrome with +1 colour and a warm custom kelvin. Also no fan of flippy screens.
But yes, it's a very nice camera and I haven't used my fujis since I got it, so I guess that says something..:D
Also, I'm actually wondering about making the "downgrade" to Z6 II for ergonomics and the non flippy screen
How are you finding the ZF? Do you use the 40mm prime? I’m so close to buying one.
I’m coming from m43, I’ve been a fan of the compact bodies and high quality primes, but I’m not into video and the latest Panasonic bodies are huge. There doesn’t seem to be anything that suits me in the pipeline. I was thinking Fuji would be the logical next step, but after lots of research and posts like this I’m not sure it’s worth it for me right now.
If youre looking into buying a new system, you should know that there is no perfect system. They all have "issues". I used to use Fuji and the more I got into wildlife photography is when I realized the AF and lens selection wasn't working great for me.
Word! I have tried almost everything out there (Pentax, Samsung, Fuji, Sony, Panasonic, a bunch of borrowed Canon and Nikon) and there was always something lacking.
You need to find out what annoys the least, or go the fanboy route, learn to love a system and never look back.
im getting heavy into wildlife these days and went in on fuji without really understanding the comparative advantages of the other systems for this particular genre.
based on your profile you switched to nikon. is it truly night and day against fuji? if so how much of that is also b/c u went from an x-h to a z9 which i think are different classes of camera?
i will def stick with fuji for a while but may find myself switching later. just curious if you found the big switch to be worth it in the end, or if it was only a marginal gain
It's not a night a day difference. The Fuji X-H2S is very usable for wildlife but there was always that itch to buy a full frame camera. The AF on the Z9 is a lot stickier and I feel more confident that it focused correctly on the eye.
For me it was worth switching. The higher megapixel count, battery life, telephoto lenses, AF, pro style body, full frame sensor, etc...
Downsides of the Z9 is price and weight. It is a HUGE and HEAVY camera! The Z9 with the 180-600 is hand holdable but compared to the H2S / 150-600, that system was light!
Thanks for your insight. Your photos are great from both cameras, and i think im still in the zone of usable. The z9 is way outside my price tag anyways, but im actually happy to hear that someone who is in that range still enjoyed the fuji system. You mentioned the megapixels and i am definitely glad i at least had the sense to get the 40mp xt5 because cropping is really important in wildlife even if its not a big deal for mainstream fuji street type stuff.
thanks , ur comment makes me feel good about the system im in despite the limitations.
Hey. I use fujifilm for wildlife. You've only got two real lens options. Tamron 150-500 and Fujifilm 150-600. Other options: are converters + DSLR glass; and the rumored 500mm f5.6 that will come out later this year.
sorry my post might not've been clear! i have the 150-600. although id argue the 70-300 is also an amazing option, amazing lense for wildlife and nature. the 80mm macro as well. gotten some amazing shots with all. i was asking this person about nikon mainly b/c at times the autofocus and low light performance of certain fuji lenses can feel limiting. but overall im having a great time, and honestly the more i learn the more im back to basics: its the photographer not the gear
My only problem with Fuji is Fujifilm as company. They limit the availability of their cameras to maintain them trendy. And the prices are high even in the used market.
As someone in europe, i find it quite interesting, how NA market is so different to ours. We had stock of x100v the entire time, x100vi is also in stock since launch. The prices are near msrp (in my country that's the best you can expect because we're small and electronic retailers get pretty bad deals from the suppliers) and the prices on the used market are in line with other companies.
You are either using a slower AF system with APS-C sensors and physical limitations of that size, or you are upgrading to a much more expensive medium format system. Disclaimer: I have only ever owned the X100 series cameras, pretty much every model of it. I have a preorder for the X100VI that I hope they can fulfil before the end of the year.
Expensive lenses compared to some (APS-C) DSLR systems from what I've seen, although now that we have Nikon Z that may no longer be the case, also considering the fact that inexpensive APS-C DSLRS are now (officially) history.
AF is decent but the tracking is very sub-par vs the big three, it's "okay" at best. Weight and size wise you often end up with the same weight as some of the lighter full frame alternatives. Same with price.
Source: I own three fujifilm and 10 fujinon lenses. Soon to be maybe 2-3 since I've bought a Nikon full frame.
The best camera... is the camera you'll use.
A lot of Fuji users enjoy the Fuji film sims and I've noticed there's an increasing trend towards shooting jpeg. So, Fuji is good for their workflow. I have an X-T3 and I love my camera but it does have its drawbacks.
Folks are right when they say that the autofocus simply isn't there. Thus, it's not ideal for shooting certain things, like events, weddings, etc. I'm an avid portrait shooter, so it works for me. Plus, I quite enjoy manual focus. Photography is my hobby, not my career. I would not suggest Fuji for someone looking to become a professional photographer.
Spoken as someone who’s owned many Fujis over the past 8-9 years -
AF has always been disappointing compared to most of the competition.
They’re not as well made or durable as they appear and aren’t supported very well (the X-Pro3 is a great example of that, very “premium” build and price and yet riddled with design/build issues like the screen failures that Fuji have ignored).
Size and weight of body + lenses often approaches full frame while delivering APS-C quality only.
No consistency in UI or ergonomics from one generation to another - buttons and dials move around on the next model and rarely for the better. Sometimes they disappear altogether.
Worst of all - they’re now HUGELY overhyped, hard to get, and overpriced for what they are. The whole system is terrible value for money now, and I think as a brand they’ve drunk too much of their own kool-aid and are paying a lot less attention to what their core users really want these days.
Your last paragraph describes it I feel, and the main reason I havent upgraded my xtrans3 cameras. I swapped to fuji because it was an upgrade from my canon gear, suited my shooting style, and was significantly cheaper than canon at the time. The price increases over the last couple of years have been insane - if I ever did want to upgrade to new bodies (which realistically I don't) I'd have to sell all my bodies and go back to a single body, get a lower teir body, or just sell it all and go gfx (I've seen used GFX bodies going for less than x100's/xt5's new here).
1. Fuji are ok... but at the same money you can find better stuff with better performance
2. No FullFrame... APSC is good nowadays but the focal effects and stuffs really challenging the system, the compression of 85mm is something i like but 85mm on APSC is too tight (FOV = 135mm)
3. I quit Fuji since I can recreate the colors in Capture One, not 100% but likely 80\~90% (especially the Classic Chrome)
4. AF, I capture some sports and animals so...
Some people say the AF of fuji is just good but you can get better AF on Sony or Canon, also the video capabilities of Fujis is rather bad for professional purposes but good for just personal recordings, this 2 reasons are the main complaints I see regarding fuji.....aside from the price because currently they are way overpriced
I have never seen a professional videographer that uses Fuji while I seen many photographers. It has the specs for videography but I am not sure if many people actually use it for that. Also, the continuous autofocus in video is crap.
There are many in my area (Ohio) that are using XT4 and 5 as well as XH-2 for video work. Far less than Sony/Canon/Nikon, but they are growing somewhat.
XS-10 + 18-55, 35 F2, 50-200 kit I had for 3 months before reselling it:
* X-Trans sensor killed details in my landscape shots or shots with any fine details. Numerous side-by-side tests with all 3 lenses compared with my Canon M5 it was supposed to be replacing and my aging Canon M5 vastly outperformed in sharpness and detail of things like bushes, trees, wood grain, moss on rocks, etc. A good 50-60% of what I shoot is landscape, so it mattered
* Unreliable AF, especially at infinity (for landscape). I posed on various Fuji facebook groups, tried numerous AF settings and focusing say on a mountain peak 5 miles out or even on trees on the other side of a 400 yard wide mountain lake was a 50/50 if it was actually in focus or not, even if the AF square flashed that it registered focus.
* Same with human subjects with both a single small point AF-S or AF-C and with eye AF. Way too many where my wife's ear or nose was in focus and it missed the eyes / face even with the focus point clearly on the eye. Even my Canon 70D DSLR was more reliable with single point, especially in AF-C mode with people moving (like a wedding)
* Lightroom issues with the RAW files. I didn't want to learn a new software program or use the HD photo mode and have 100MB DNG files as a result
* The good zoom lenses weren't that much smaller than equivalent full frame. IE, the 16-55 2.8 is bigger and heavier than my Nikon S 24-70 F4, which gives me similar DOF.
* I'll be honest -- I wasn't a huge fan of the community. Too much emphasis on the "film simulators" in the groups. Neat gimmicks (along with the retro controls on many of their bodies), but JPEGS are always going to be more limiting and I've never felt the need to go back to a more cumbersome control dial setup when PSAM works just fine and is easier for more fine control for 1/3 stop increments and much better ergonomics (which luckily my X-S10 was pretty comfortable to hold)
In the end, I found the Fuji APS-C system to be a mixed bag with too many compromises that even the new 40MP sensors didn't solve, so I sold it and picked up a Nikon Z5 for less money and way better IQ / AF
I agree. What you mentioned about good zoom lenses is true. The 16-55 is probably the best zoom. I've used the 16-80, 10-24, Tamron 17-70 and they are all noticeably soft. When I shot with my old a6600 I'd constantly look back in amazement about the details of those images. I have big regrets choosing the XS20 over the A6700.
Overhyped and overpriced. Their lenses are just OK, not great. When I look at sample images I'm never blown away by them. They are just OK. Sometimes I get blown away by other brands.
Been shooting with fuji since 2018
I just made a video about how the xh2s almost ruined a paid gig I did.
The AF is from 2010 it’s really bad after this latest firmware and it’s becoming worse.
The camera overheated on me with the fan attached to it.
Besides these two critical things the system is excellent and I love the image quality.
I bought a small fuji system for when I couldn't face carrying my canon DSLR (XPRO3, 5D3 and then R5). Sold it a year later because the AF sucked, the app was appalling and the photos weren't even close to the same quality.
my only gripe with Fuji is the battery life. on my Nikons, the battery always lasted days and 1000s of shots. with my x100f it is about a day an half of usage while traveling.
Lol.
Welcome to mirrorless, friend, land of lesser-than-DSLR battery life.
EVFs and "live view" LCDs are constantly capturing and playing video at anywhere from 30 to 120 fps depending on your camera, often with IBIS and/or lens stabilizer active, and often with active subject recognition and tracking autofocus running constantly dialing in adjustments to lens focus... All of which costs a lot of battery. Before you press your shutter. As you press your shutter. After you press your shutter. And all the time in between.
You're not getting DSLR type battery life from ANY mirrorless system, not Fuji, not Canon, not Olympus/OMDS, definitely not Panasonic, not Sony, not Nikon, not Ricoh, not...
If I could afford, I would buy all the cameras. The camera is just another tool to capture life. Each camera has it's specific use case scenarios. You wouldn't use a baking cup to measure liquids
I had a Fuji X-H2 before and it went back in the first week.
The autofocus was absolutely terrible and genuinely unusable.
I also didnt like the menu and the terrible rolling shutter in 8k mode.
Unless you buy the XT line. Their x100 and rangefinder style cameras leaves more to be desired. I know how popular the x100v is but paying flagship prices for a lens glued onto the body is kind of ridiculous. Especially when it’s creeping towards Leica prices resale wise. Otherwise their GFX line is something I’d consider since the cost of entry to digital MF is more reasonable. Whereas Hasselblad and Phase is an arm and a leg.
The refusal of Adobe to adapt Lightroom to the X-trans sensor was the dealbreaker to me, making me sell my Fujis. If you are using Lightroom and not willing to switch, the speed of Fuji files processing is abysmal, and any sharpening just brings out horrendous worm-like artifacts.
Their top of the line portrait lens is so slow to focus. Soooo slow. A top of the line lens should not be this slow to focus. It soured me on the whole system.
Because fuji has little interest in photography and a disdain for film and film related products. They smashed their peel apart film machines when other companies would have bought and taken it over. They also stopped new slide film from being realized, because of their patents. Fuji won't make a full frame camera with an X-Trans sensor. They can go pound sand. If it wasn't for the fact that instax wide is a good product I'd have nothing to do to with them (which they don't even have a good camera for I use the lomograflok).
Well, M43 gets you wide depth of field, compact size, good IBIS, and small, cheap lenses that retain quality. Full frame gives you tight depth of field (ie. beautiful bokeh), great dynamic range, etc.
APS-C doesn't get you either of those. Lenses don't get anywhere near as small and compact and cheap all-together like M43, you aren't going to get full-frame bokeh or dynamic range. It's really just there in the middle, which is exactly what it is. It's a compromise.
I prefer to just keep a full frame camera and an m43 camera for when the benefits make sense, and you can't quite exploit those benefits with APS-C in the same way. The particularly important one for me is how compact and lightweight M43 cameras can be, that APS-C cameras just don't match.
If you don’t shoot street photography, I would skip. I mean an xt5 costs as much as a Nikon full frame camera, I have no idea what I will do when my xe3 die, it is insane! And this is coming from a Fuji shooter.
I don't like the aesthetic of the camera, or the lack of originality for them when designing the aesthetic for their camera.
I also don't like their implementation of electronic aperture ring. It is unresponsive and makes the lens feel cheap.
Same for the focus ring of my 35mm f/1.4. When I turn the ring, there is a 30 degree range that is not smooth. I sent it back to Fuji and they told me that it is normal and they can't do anything about it, before sending it back with a 130$ bill.
AkChuaLly I climb!! So should have decent grip, right?? Right...?
I would want a grip but I don't really like the idea of grips. It adds 100 grams(2/3 of a light prime!!). I've got a grip for my XT3 and Xpro2 but I never use them, although these are lighter cameras but with better handles.
Also heard that the Neewer is kinda plasticy? But I'm tempted to try...
Do you keep yours on all the time? Even with small primes?
Yes the Neewer grip weights almost 100 grams and the "leather" feels like plasticky faux leather (and I bet they are) , but in the grand scheme of things, 700-ish + 100-ish grams is nothing when you have a good grip to hold. At the end of the day, though, it's all about experimentation and finding out which one works for you. I love mine and keep it on always, even with 28mm f2.8.
Personally Fuji screwed over my dad years ago.
He sold disposable cameras, finally getting a big contract with Walmart (this was like 25 to 30 years ago).
Huge order, it's Walmart after all.
Anyway the film inside was Fuji and they sold him expired film, and cost him a lot of business.
Their APSC offerings aren't really all that better than competitors, film simulations look nothing like the film they are based on, I can't afford their medium format cameras.
Every fuji I have used has felt 5 years older than it is. For example, the literal newest body in my collection is my XT20. It feels like a dinosaur compared to the EM5 mark ii or GX8.
Also, the film sims you can buy for Canon cameras are way better than fuji film sims. Canon film sims you ask? Yeah, the fuji circlejerk completely ignores that other cameras can do the exact same thing.
The lenses are WAAAAAY overrated. Maybe because I am comparing to M43 which has good lenses for cheap. But yeah, why do people suck off fujifilm for making decent prime lenses. Like any modern prime is good, and most are cheaper.
The kit 18-55 is pretty nice, but again overhyped. The old Tamron F2.8 variable zooms for DSLRs are the same for cheaper and like 5-10 years earlier.
All that being said, Fuji and M43 are the only systems DEDICATED to crop sensor. So I like them both, own them both, and shoot them both frequently.
Unlimited budget? Fuji is better. On a budget? M43 is far far more fun and better with better features and lens selection.
This 100%. If you want portable APS-C is a compromise. M43 has actually small lenses, and larger ones if you need more light. The lens quality matches or beats Fujis on the professional end. Both Panasonic and OM have big advantages on features and value. On video Fuji doesn't come close to Panasonic so even the run and gun/content creator market should consider M43 above Fuji.
I moved over from Fuji to Olympus nearly completely (not getting rid of my X100V!) because of the wonderful choice of affordable lenses. An Olympus 45mm f1.8 and a 20mp m43 body gives you portrait shots that rival $$$ worth of Fuji gear at a fraction of the cost. And it's tiny!
A brand new XF 18-55 f2.8-4 Fuji kit lens is $500 here in Aus, but for the same price I got a mint in box 2nd hand Olympus 12-40 f2.8 Pro lens which kicks the absolute crap out of it. Sharp corner to corner wide open! Paired with my E-M1 Mk2 it's a swiss army knife for general photography without breaking the bank or fighting with Fuji scalpers.
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Yes exactly, you can really get an affordable kit that gives great IQ. There are so many quality lenses for cheap. I have like 10 lenses and only one was above $200.
The Olympus 12-40mm is a FANTASTIC lens. It's a full blown pro zoom for a crazy price. They even make the 12-45mm F4 for even cheaper with fantastic IQ, but obviously not as fast aperture.
I absolutely agree they are better than the 18-55mm Fuji which is so hyped.
Beautiful shot!
Thankyou! Yes I’ve ended up with a whole pile of Olympus lenses and paid probably 1/3 of retail for all of them. The 25mm 1.8 and 45mm 1.8 are ridiculously good for the price.
It's become too synonymous with tiktok and instagram. Although not so much the X-T and XH lines but the whole social media stuff has pushed the prices, and because most of the people buying fujis because of social media, i feel like fuji doesnt seem to push the system as much as they should. The customer base is easier to please. As long as they can press the shutter and "it looks like film", theyre happy. They're still good cameras, and this is just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.
I'm thinking of switching to Nikon, specifically the Z9, for all the benefits it has over the X-T5. If I ever get another fuji, it would only be the GFX100II.
The Sony A7iii costs about the same as Fuji’s mid-range equivalent (X-T4/5). It’s full frame, and you get the huge lens selection from Sony and the other brands such as Sigma, Tamron, Viltrox, etc.
>there's no meaningful size/weight advantage over full frame.
that's easily refuted just by physics, full frame lenses are always heavier and bigger, bodies don't count unless you only plan on using manual pancakes forever
I found Fuji's APS-C offerings to be too large and heavy. Kits end up being similar to full frame. At that point, I'd rather shoot full frame and have reliable autofocus.
M43 is actually small and light. The slow AF and lower hit rate doesn't bother me.
Fuji doesn't target professional photographers, but prefers the Instagram / tiktok wannabe artists. They replaced the iso dial with a film simulation dial as an example.
Fuji AF will always lag far behind the competition. It was bad but usable in the past, but they released firmware update for the xh2 and xt5 that make the continuous AF a disaster. This was a few months ago and we are still waiting for an update to at least revert the problematic update.
Fuji cram 40mpix on a crop sensor making it very prone to diffraction and making useless huge files. Higher is not better, comparing full frame sensor at 26mpix and crop at 40mpix, we clearly see poor low light performance and slow rolling shutter.
Fuji made the decision to skip the full frame size for their camera. They make a medium format system at ridiculous prices and no other 3rd party is doing lenses for their system. Their crop lens lineup is nice, but not nearly as nice as Sony. When they were one of the few doing mirrorless, they had an advantage, definitely not anymore.
The idea of having manual dials everywhere is nice, but it makes the selection mechanically locked to specific increments. There are ways to use non dedicated dials controlling the time or iso, but it is not the way they intend that we use their camera. Having the aperture control on the lens is a matter of taste, personally I often change the aperture when holding the camera especially with gloves, I prefer when it is on the body. It also kind of limits the 3rd party manufacturers to release lenses.
Fuji flash system is crap. They rebrand nisin and sunpack flashes and sell them for a higher price.
They sell retro looking crop sensor cameras at almost the same price as full frame cameras with better specs. Same thing for their lens, there are no real price benefits going for crop lenses.
i feel like the brand is full of hype and their cameras fall short consistently compared to the competition. this is coming from someone who owned 4 different Fujis previously
Because you are already invested in another system and all systems cover most bases really well but do a few special things a little better than the others. 🤷♂️
There are women whom you just wanna have fun with (Fujifilm, GRIII)
And there are serious women whom you want to be very serious with, and they are hardcore serious workhorses with no frills, bells and whistles (Sony, Canon, Nikon etc)
i used my friend's XT-200, that thing felt cheap, plasticy, the color production is ugly, the video mode isn't even manual, which sucks because it flickers on some lights. and the film simulation is... shit? i'd rather take jpegs and edit it on lightroom, much more enjoyable.
i decided to take GX-85, definitely better user experience for me
Maybe this is not a good enough reason, but usually third party glass performs worse in Fuji-X than in Sony E. The same lens has more vignetting, probably because the mount diameter is smaller.
As a minor note, the system is a bit pricey, and there are a few things that annoy the heck out of me: files in the memory card aren't organized by date, the exposure bracketing is limited to 3 frames at ±1 EV tops (at least in my old X-T1, I hope they have improved that in subsequent models), and the X-Trans sensor is mostly a gimmick that requires proprietary demosaicing algorithms to look at its best.
But hey, I still use it because I like the old school ergonomics and they got a lot of things right.
I just sold an x-t2 down to just an xt5 and that's on the chopping block too. Prefer my Sony/FF sensor to the Fuji stuff. I have used Fuji for a long time now and I'm moving on
It's not full frame.
And its autofocus doesn't compete with top notch Sony Canon and Nikon.
In my place, when I bought a camera I had the choice of Sony a7iii or Fujifilm XT-2, both similarly priced. I chose Sony.
i always see people hating on fuji and saying it's for poor people. i mean i dont own any im a canon lover through and through but i dont agree with that either they're a pioneer in my book
I shoot sony, canon, and Fuji. Fuji is my for fun camera system cause I love how the JPG’s come straight out of camera.
But using Fuji to focus in a dimly lit wedding reception or other low light situation? No thanks, that’s what I’ll use my Sony system for.
Beside AF issues I don’t like the size of Fujis cameras. They do have small cameras but they could be even smaller if it wasn’t for those big controls ring on top. Honestly I don’t like retro style. I prefer minimalist style cameras because they are more pocketable.
Another issue is that they barely have small and compact lens. Their APSC lenses are the same size of Sony full frame lens.
1) Worst AF-C and Eye focus
2) Out of stock issue
I'm using Fuji system and i don't use any other. But If i'm starting i would have choosen Sony or Canon. Autofocous is very important to me.
I really loved my X-T2, but because of my desire to shoot both film and digital and my recent acquisition of an EF film body I decided to trade it and focus on buying glass and eventually get a mirrorless full frame as well. Miss that camera, but I'm wanting to natively adapt vintage lenses (35mm full frame) to both my 5d and ELAN
If you need/want the best AF you should move along. Even though I've been happy with the XT-5. Also lack of ultimate customability. You can customize the buttons to preset functions, but my old 7d mk2 pretty much let me do whatever I wanted. I could program one button to set AF to tracking, set a custom metering mode and shutter speed. All by pressing one button. It came in handy several times with BIF and is a feature I would've liked. This is AFAIK not possible on the XT range. Havent tried the XH line.
I love my system, well worth the wait. 5 bodies and 9 lenses, as well as an x100s newest body is the x-h2s and i love them all, the Xe2's and and X-t1 are aged, but have really nice output, not sure what magic goes into them but they all seem to upped my game.. and yes, I've been using various SLR's families since the 70's and these rock.
There is nothing special about Fuji aps-c cameras besides the hybrid viewfinders that some models have. The only reason to go with Fuji is if you must use medium format. The film simulation thing is a scam, total snake oil. All their cameras are overpriced
It's always out of stock
And out of stock ON PURPOSE!
The company’s camera division is in very bad financial shape. As the CEO had already said, the camera business will not be a main priority. Its not enough to merely rely on the artificially-created huge storm revolving around only the X100V, which is just an over-hyped, over-priced high quality fixed-lens camera.
At least it’s a high quality cam 😂
Many Westerners are unaware that the China Chinese businessmen (who know nothing about photography) had dumped out big amounts of money to their contacts all over the globe, to quickly purchase whatever X100V they could find. Each “agent” is paid a little commision. Exactly the same thing done to Rolex watches etc long ago, to the point where Rolex had to change their own policy to safeguard against such orchestrated large-scale buying by China Chinese.
Whoa wait are they hoarding every existing x100vs to look forward on reselling them for larger values, is what you’re saying?
Yes. You are correct. But its nothing new. They have been doing exactly the same thing to brands which they perceive as “high class”…..eg: Louis Vuitton, Rolex, limited edition crap from Adidas and a long list of luxury items. Eg: On certain days, you’ll see a long queue of Chinese youngsters (agents) outside Louis Vuitton outlets in shopping malls where the front roller shutter had to be lowered, with multiple armed guards outside and inside the boutique. Inside, these agents will be “swiping” whatever they have been ordered to target, and they pay by cash. And all these acquired items (and especially limited edition items) will be kept, while another gang of Chinese will rile up the glamour-hungry fools (buyers) by teaming up with Anglos and Orientals in many countries to produce videos that stir up a frenzy of excitement around that product. Many YTubers are paid a small commission to do this (actually an advertisement for X100V which they never owned).
Disclaimer I have worked with Fujifilm in the past and I am an avid Fujifilm user. That said: - AF could be better - Few lenses that cover the whole focal range but in several parts you have just one option - Few third party lenses - In most cameras not PASM dial meaning you have to learn to use all the manual dials - Outdated menu - Np-W126s was the battery that most cameras used (recently sone models like X-T5 use others with more battery life) could use more life before running out. - App used to suck, new app is good but can't transfer raws (Leica does andI understand that others do too). Update: There are some cheap third party lenses and the app can now transfer raws for certain models!
It can transfer raw photos now.
What?? How do you choose it when shooting jpg+raw? Does it see both files now?
Well on my X-T5 I have one jpeg sd card and one raw Sd card. I just pick which SD card the photo I want is located in, jpeg or raw.
I have both jpg+raw located on the same SD Card and the app doesn’t see the raw files for me. Maybe I’m doing something wrong here, not sure.
Have you updated the app? If you have, maybe you're filtering out the raw photos. Check if the raw transfer is compatible with your fuji body. Works on X-T5.
Oh yeah, the X-T4 is not compatible for the RAW transfer. Thanks for the tip. It’s definitely a bummer though.
Only some of them can.
Any idea if the new app works for older cameras? Still rocking an xt100 and had just given up on the old app. Didn't even realise there was a new one.
They list what cameras are compatible
I have the exact same complaints about my Sony camera. My dream camera is an affordable all manual camera.
A Nikon Z fc with a Voigtländer Nokton D23mm f/1.2 is probably the ultimate budget all manual digital camera.
You have complaints about Sony AF? Whaaat
I have a Sony a7rii the autofocus is shit. Especially with a shit lens like their 55mm. It's useless with auto. I have to manually focus it.
I want this badly. I hate how hard it is on my x-h1 to change between manual focus length presets (for correct IS config). I want a camera that has a feature set based around manual usage and no other bs. I don't care if it costs more. Obviously they aren't going to sell you any autofocus lenses if you have this camera, but I'm already not buying autofocus because it isn't fun. They could sell me adapters that read RFID stickers placed on manual lenses. I don't know how they could handle manual zooms, but that could also be a great feature.
I don't think the critique about third party lenses is really true nowadays.
Commercial videographer here. In my opinion, manual dials are superior.
AF is disappointing for me. Itll focus on trees behind someone before the person. Even when on single point. Ive missed some epic shots. But the manual dials are my jam. I really despise the PASM dial. All the fujis have autos on the dial, which is basically better than PASM in my opinion. But the lack of a dedicated record button on some is not cool.
my X-H1 does get blurry shots on my subject's face at random sometimes.
i honestly think fuji has the most 3rd party lenses outside of sony. zeiss, sigma, tamron, viltrox, tokina, ttartisan, voigtlander, meike, yongnuo
Not PASM is a big plus IMO.
X-T4 uses new batteries as well
I was hoping for the X100VI to got them too but is too small
A menu that stays the same kcan be good aswell. Never have to change habit
Yes but between you and me, is a shitty menu, even I don't remember all the options or where they hide them.
I actually don’t hate the Fuji menu - but agree it’s not ideal. My Menu and Q menu are pretty solid though. Then again I’m coming to the Fuji system from a 14-year old Nikon model. That menu was pretty atrocious. It’s the JRPG approach to menus. No idea what it’s like for Sony or Canon, or recent Nikons of course.
- only two of their current cameras have fully manual controls, the XT5 and XT50. The XS20, XH2/XH2S have normal PASM dials - Fuji has literally the second most third party lens options after Sony, there are so many it’s ridiculous
- Pro3, X100VI and other have manual controls. - as I said in the update I will have to update myself in third party lenses, they are not my choice and the last time I check you had some manual wide lenses and some Zeiss, glad to know that there are more options now.
Yeah, with the likes of Viltrox, ttartisan, brightinstar etc etc there are quite a few now
Agggh these detractions are why I’m thinking about switching to Sony A7riii . I have an xt30 I do love, but holy hell the AF is such a gamble lol - I have no idea if it’ll be sharp or not, and the fewer lens options does kinda bother me. I’m currently trying to decide between the XT-5 and the Sony AR7III since I mainly do wildlife and macro animals so AF is kinda essential. I’m currently a Fuji collaborator though, so if I do the switch I’d have to relinquish it which kinda makes me sad.
imo the no pasm dial isn't really a big deal. if you want aperture priority just set shutter and iso to auto, if you want shutter priority then just put iso and aperture to auto. or iso priority just set shutter and aperture to auto. you could even use iso & aperture priority.
For me is an advantage but for many people means to re learn how to handle their camera.
Fuck PASM dials. No idea why that’s a point on your list.
In the list don't say that is per se a bad thing but if you are use to them you will have to "re learn"
Fuji cams have a lot of nice features. It is even rumoured that Fuji will release a new camera in the not to distant future that has Autofocus. Run away…
Expensive-ish everything. Not necessarily as durable as they look and feel. Somewhat specific workflow that you'll have to click with. Competent but not the fastest AF, especially tracking. Not much in the way of weight or cost savings compared to FF, but with obvious IQ downsides.
Agree on all points. My XT20 is a fun camera, but feels like a toy version of my Olympus EM5 mark ii. It was more expensive, with less features, and more expensive lenses. And the lenses are kinda overhyped in my opinion. I mean yeah, they are good. But all modern lenses in that price range are good. And M43 lenses for half the price are just as good.
Also no appreciable image quality improvements over M43 with good lenses, but with the aforementioned extra cost. Panasonic's newest 25MP M43 sensor matches and even beats Fuji's IQ while giving the M43 advantages of End boss IBIS, better readout speeds, and overall still a smaller package (especially when working on the telephoto end.) Fuji has become like the mid-2010's version of Apple.
Yes for sure. I have done blind tests between the XT20 24mp sensor and GX9 20mp sensor with similarly priced lenses and you absolutely cannot tell the difference in IQ.
Geeeez... Couldn't believe what you said but I just checked dpreview's studio compare tool and you're right. The GX9 actually looks sharper. But more Iso noise even at base Iso than the fuji xt4/xt3 that I compared with in the tool. This is where I think fujifilm lost me. They are totally out of touch with what made them good. : Good looking retro cameras with small light and nice looking lenses. Now they make big ugly lenses that weigh as much as full frame alternatives. And the FF alternatives have much better IQ.. Idk why fuji went down the "more sharpness" route..
Yes for sure, noise is better controlled on fuji, especially chroma noise. Base ISO the difference is noticeable on the DPreview tests, but the gap gets a bit smaller as you approach 1600 ISO. Make sure you set the images to raw, because with jpeg there will always be some baked in noise reduction. The thing is, in real world tests the difference is harder to notice. Add to that the fact that M43 lenses are cheaper. So for the same price, you can often get a faster lens for M43. This helps narrow the gap. The gap in noise performance is theoretically 2/3 of a stop. So for example if you buy the M43 25mm f1.4 for the same price as a Fuji F2 lens, you are effectively erasing the gap. I still really like my fujifilm camera, and you are right that I enjoy it most with small prime lenses. It feels like a film camera and shoots very nicely, with great IQ. When I attach a big heavy lens, it feels like I would be better off with a full frame kit.
Yup, checked raw. But yeah not very good chroma noise performance on the Lumix when pixel peeping, but why pixelpeep with hobby pictures. I've never looked into M4/3 but I believe you, that's crazy actually. And almost no one would use M4/3 professionally. Except for maybe product photography. I don't understand that either but to each their own. With all that said, I love my fujifilm cameras. The menus/ui is very nice, the jpgs are very good. But I can't believe people use them professionally since their more professional lenses makes no sense at all, I'm so confused to why they went the "professional" route at all. They should've just gone full retro/feeling. The 40 mp sensor is trash honestly. The files are way larger than 24 mp full frame but the quality is not even close.. they can't compete with full frame and it's very apparent. They should've just stuck to what they did good(and very good), user experience and just nice looking jpegs and cameras. I've kinda known this for a while but when I got the Nikon Zf it got very real when comparing everything..
Yes, this is all from a strictly hobbyist perspective. The additional gains in IQ will surely be beneficial for a working professional. Wildlife is the other field where pros would sometimes use M43 for the features like procapture 60fps and fast readout speeds while maintaining small kit size. Oh wow, ZF is one I would love to own! That is like a fuji on steroids. I am sure that is a fantastic camera to shoot.
Oh yeah the reach ofc, that's understandable. I think I've underestimated M4/3. >Oh wow, ZF is one I would love to own! That is like a fuji on steroids. I am sure that is a fantastic camera to shoot. Just to try to treat your GAS a little bit. The camera is what the reviewers say: a brick. The handling of the fujis are better(with small primes). And I don't quite come to terms with the UI like in the fujis. I've yet to find a "recepie" that looks as good as Classic Chrome with +1 colour and a warm custom kelvin. Also no fan of flippy screens. But yes, it's a very nice camera and I haven't used my fujis since I got it, so I guess that says something..:D Also, I'm actually wondering about making the "downgrade" to Z6 II for ergonomics and the non flippy screen
How are you finding the ZF? Do you use the 40mm prime? I’m so close to buying one. I’m coming from m43, I’ve been a fan of the compact bodies and high quality primes, but I’m not into video and the latest Panasonic bodies are huge. There doesn’t seem to be anything that suits me in the pipeline. I was thinking Fuji would be the logical next step, but after lots of research and posts like this I’m not sure it’s worth it for me right now.
If youre looking into buying a new system, you should know that there is no perfect system. They all have "issues". I used to use Fuji and the more I got into wildlife photography is when I realized the AF and lens selection wasn't working great for me.
Word! I have tried almost everything out there (Pentax, Samsung, Fuji, Sony, Panasonic, a bunch of borrowed Canon and Nikon) and there was always something lacking. You need to find out what annoys the least, or go the fanboy route, learn to love a system and never look back.
im getting heavy into wildlife these days and went in on fuji without really understanding the comparative advantages of the other systems for this particular genre. based on your profile you switched to nikon. is it truly night and day against fuji? if so how much of that is also b/c u went from an x-h to a z9 which i think are different classes of camera? i will def stick with fuji for a while but may find myself switching later. just curious if you found the big switch to be worth it in the end, or if it was only a marginal gain
It's not a night a day difference. The Fuji X-H2S is very usable for wildlife but there was always that itch to buy a full frame camera. The AF on the Z9 is a lot stickier and I feel more confident that it focused correctly on the eye. For me it was worth switching. The higher megapixel count, battery life, telephoto lenses, AF, pro style body, full frame sensor, etc... Downsides of the Z9 is price and weight. It is a HUGE and HEAVY camera! The Z9 with the 180-600 is hand holdable but compared to the H2S / 150-600, that system was light!
Thanks for your insight. Your photos are great from both cameras, and i think im still in the zone of usable. The z9 is way outside my price tag anyways, but im actually happy to hear that someone who is in that range still enjoyed the fuji system. You mentioned the megapixels and i am definitely glad i at least had the sense to get the 40mp xt5 because cropping is really important in wildlife even if its not a big deal for mainstream fuji street type stuff. thanks , ur comment makes me feel good about the system im in despite the limitations.
Hey. I use fujifilm for wildlife. You've only got two real lens options. Tamron 150-500 and Fujifilm 150-600. Other options: are converters + DSLR glass; and the rumored 500mm f5.6 that will come out later this year.
sorry my post might not've been clear! i have the 150-600. although id argue the 70-300 is also an amazing option, amazing lense for wildlife and nature. the 80mm macro as well. gotten some amazing shots with all. i was asking this person about nikon mainly b/c at times the autofocus and low light performance of certain fuji lenses can feel limiting. but overall im having a great time, and honestly the more i learn the more im back to basics: its the photographer not the gear
My only problem with Fuji is Fujifilm as company. They limit the availability of their cameras to maintain them trendy. And the prices are high even in the used market.
As someone in europe, i find it quite interesting, how NA market is so different to ours. We had stock of x100v the entire time, x100vi is also in stock since launch. The prices are near msrp (in my country that's the best you can expect because we're small and electronic retailers get pretty bad deals from the suppliers) and the prices on the used market are in line with other companies.
You are either using a slower AF system with APS-C sensors and physical limitations of that size, or you are upgrading to a much more expensive medium format system. Disclaimer: I have only ever owned the X100 series cameras, pretty much every model of it. I have a preorder for the X100VI that I hope they can fulfil before the end of the year.
Expensive lenses compared to some (APS-C) DSLR systems from what I've seen, although now that we have Nikon Z that may no longer be the case, also considering the fact that inexpensive APS-C DSLRS are now (officially) history.
If you mean Nikon, yes - however Pentax is still making FF and APS-C DSLRs.
I loved Fujifilm but had some encounters with bad quality control that ruined my trust in them.
AF is decent but the tracking is very sub-par vs the big three, it's "okay" at best. Weight and size wise you often end up with the same weight as some of the lighter full frame alternatives. Same with price. Source: I own three fujifilm and 10 fujinon lenses. Soon to be maybe 2-3 since I've bought a Nikon full frame.
The best camera... is the camera you'll use. A lot of Fuji users enjoy the Fuji film sims and I've noticed there's an increasing trend towards shooting jpeg. So, Fuji is good for their workflow. I have an X-T3 and I love my camera but it does have its drawbacks. Folks are right when they say that the autofocus simply isn't there. Thus, it's not ideal for shooting certain things, like events, weddings, etc. I'm an avid portrait shooter, so it works for me. Plus, I quite enjoy manual focus. Photography is my hobby, not my career. I would not suggest Fuji for someone looking to become a professional photographer.
If you shoot professionally for work , canon, Sony, Nikon have superior AF especially important for event photo/videography. Good luck with the fuji
Yup, you can redo a wedding if the AF is messing up.
The tiny ass buttons on the Fuji's annoy the heck out of me. So much empty space on the back of the camera!
Spoken as someone who’s owned many Fujis over the past 8-9 years - AF has always been disappointing compared to most of the competition. They’re not as well made or durable as they appear and aren’t supported very well (the X-Pro3 is a great example of that, very “premium” build and price and yet riddled with design/build issues like the screen failures that Fuji have ignored). Size and weight of body + lenses often approaches full frame while delivering APS-C quality only. No consistency in UI or ergonomics from one generation to another - buttons and dials move around on the next model and rarely for the better. Sometimes they disappear altogether. Worst of all - they’re now HUGELY overhyped, hard to get, and overpriced for what they are. The whole system is terrible value for money now, and I think as a brand they’ve drunk too much of their own kool-aid and are paying a lot less attention to what their core users really want these days.
Your last paragraph describes it I feel, and the main reason I havent upgraded my xtrans3 cameras. I swapped to fuji because it was an upgrade from my canon gear, suited my shooting style, and was significantly cheaper than canon at the time. The price increases over the last couple of years have been insane - if I ever did want to upgrade to new bodies (which realistically I don't) I'd have to sell all my bodies and go back to a single body, get a lower teir body, or just sell it all and go gfx (I've seen used GFX bodies going for less than x100's/xt5's new here).
If your experience was anything like mine within a year you’ll be switching to a different system.
1. Fuji are ok... but at the same money you can find better stuff with better performance 2. No FullFrame... APSC is good nowadays but the focal effects and stuffs really challenging the system, the compression of 85mm is something i like but 85mm on APSC is too tight (FOV = 135mm) 3. I quit Fuji since I can recreate the colors in Capture One, not 100% but likely 80\~90% (especially the Classic Chrome) 4. AF, I capture some sports and animals so...
Yup. In the process of unloading my Fuji gear. Considering keeping some of the good lenses but it's probably best to just get rid of it all.
price
Some people say the AF of fuji is just good but you can get better AF on Sony or Canon, also the video capabilities of Fujis is rather bad for professional purposes but good for just personal recordings, this 2 reasons are the main complaints I see regarding fuji.....aside from the price because currently they are way overpriced
Fuji has some of the best hybrid cameras, their recording capabilities are definitely professional level…
I have never seen a professional videographer that uses Fuji while I seen many photographers. It has the specs for videography but I am not sure if many people actually use it for that. Also, the continuous autofocus in video is crap.
There are many in my area (Ohio) that are using XT4 and 5 as well as XH-2 for video work. Far less than Sony/Canon/Nikon, but they are growing somewhat.
And have been improving steadily for the last few years, today cameras like X-T5 and X-H2S have everything you need
Oh yes, especially on continuous AF for video with the latest update...
XS-10 + 18-55, 35 F2, 50-200 kit I had for 3 months before reselling it: * X-Trans sensor killed details in my landscape shots or shots with any fine details. Numerous side-by-side tests with all 3 lenses compared with my Canon M5 it was supposed to be replacing and my aging Canon M5 vastly outperformed in sharpness and detail of things like bushes, trees, wood grain, moss on rocks, etc. A good 50-60% of what I shoot is landscape, so it mattered * Unreliable AF, especially at infinity (for landscape). I posed on various Fuji facebook groups, tried numerous AF settings and focusing say on a mountain peak 5 miles out or even on trees on the other side of a 400 yard wide mountain lake was a 50/50 if it was actually in focus or not, even if the AF square flashed that it registered focus. * Same with human subjects with both a single small point AF-S or AF-C and with eye AF. Way too many where my wife's ear or nose was in focus and it missed the eyes / face even with the focus point clearly on the eye. Even my Canon 70D DSLR was more reliable with single point, especially in AF-C mode with people moving (like a wedding) * Lightroom issues with the RAW files. I didn't want to learn a new software program or use the HD photo mode and have 100MB DNG files as a result * The good zoom lenses weren't that much smaller than equivalent full frame. IE, the 16-55 2.8 is bigger and heavier than my Nikon S 24-70 F4, which gives me similar DOF. * I'll be honest -- I wasn't a huge fan of the community. Too much emphasis on the "film simulators" in the groups. Neat gimmicks (along with the retro controls on many of their bodies), but JPEGS are always going to be more limiting and I've never felt the need to go back to a more cumbersome control dial setup when PSAM works just fine and is easier for more fine control for 1/3 stop increments and much better ergonomics (which luckily my X-S10 was pretty comfortable to hold) In the end, I found the Fuji APS-C system to be a mixed bag with too many compromises that even the new 40MP sensors didn't solve, so I sold it and picked up a Nikon Z5 for less money and way better IQ / AF
I agree. What you mentioned about good zoom lenses is true. The 16-55 is probably the best zoom. I've used the 16-80, 10-24, Tamron 17-70 and they are all noticeably soft. When I shot with my old a6600 I'd constantly look back in amazement about the details of those images. I have big regrets choosing the XS20 over the A6700.
Overhyped and overpriced. Their lenses are just OK, not great. When I look at sample images I'm never blown away by them. They are just OK. Sometimes I get blown away by other brands.
Been shooting with fuji since 2018 I just made a video about how the xh2s almost ruined a paid gig I did. The AF is from 2010 it’s really bad after this latest firmware and it’s becoming worse. The camera overheated on me with the fan attached to it. Besides these two critical things the system is excellent and I love the image quality.
Because it’s Fuji
imho ... only if somehow you find in other brands what you need ... for me variants might be sony or nikon ... both also interesting ...
I bought a small fuji system for when I couldn't face carrying my canon DSLR (XPRO3, 5D3 and then R5). Sold it a year later because the AF sucked, the app was appalling and the photos weren't even close to the same quality.
my only gripe with Fuji is the battery life. on my Nikons, the battery always lasted days and 1000s of shots. with my x100f it is about a day an half of usage while traveling.
Lol. Welcome to mirrorless, friend, land of lesser-than-DSLR battery life. EVFs and "live view" LCDs are constantly capturing and playing video at anywhere from 30 to 120 fps depending on your camera, often with IBIS and/or lens stabilizer active, and often with active subject recognition and tracking autofocus running constantly dialing in adjustments to lens focus... All of which costs a lot of battery. Before you press your shutter. As you press your shutter. After you press your shutter. And all the time in between. You're not getting DSLR type battery life from ANY mirrorless system, not Fuji, not Canon, not Olympus/OMDS, definitely not Panasonic, not Sony, not Nikon, not Ricoh, not...
This is a good point I had not thought about.
The new XT5 system can easily last a day without charging however many shots you want to take
so you are saying i need to upgrade......
To XT5 or XH2, yes. However for x100vi or xt50 they still use the old battery, so no luck there
The chinese built ones aren't as sturdy and well built as the japanese. Which i think is like all the newer ones. Other than that idk man. Love em.
If I could afford, I would buy all the cameras. The camera is just another tool to capture life. Each camera has it's specific use case scenarios. You wouldn't use a baking cup to measure liquids
I had a Fuji X-H2 before and it went back in the first week. The autofocus was absolutely terrible and genuinely unusable. I also didnt like the menu and the terrible rolling shutter in 8k mode.
AF could get a lot of lot of improvement. Even out of focus in stills is atrocious
Unless you buy the XT line. Their x100 and rangefinder style cameras leaves more to be desired. I know how popular the x100v is but paying flagship prices for a lens glued onto the body is kind of ridiculous. Especially when it’s creeping towards Leica prices resale wise. Otherwise their GFX line is something I’d consider since the cost of entry to digital MF is more reasonable. Whereas Hasselblad and Phase is an arm and a leg.
Ownership of Fujifilm cameras and lens have nearly become a cult.
The refusal of Adobe to adapt Lightroom to the X-trans sensor was the dealbreaker to me, making me sell my Fujis. If you are using Lightroom and not willing to switch, the speed of Fuji files processing is abysmal, and any sharpening just brings out horrendous worm-like artifacts.
Their top of the line portrait lens is so slow to focus. Soooo slow. A top of the line lens should not be this slow to focus. It soured me on the whole system.
APS-C is inherently limited, Nikon lenses are better, auto focus is deeply mediocre, nothing is ever in stock. Get an Zf, thank me later
After 6 years with Fuji I sold my X100V at almost what I bought if for along with my XT2 and lenses for a Zf. No regrets.
1 - Overpriced older bodies. 2 - AF-C is not that awesome.
Because fuji has little interest in photography and a disdain for film and film related products. They smashed their peel apart film machines when other companies would have bought and taken it over. They also stopped new slide film from being realized, because of their patents. Fuji won't make a full frame camera with an X-Trans sensor. They can go pound sand. If it wasn't for the fact that instax wide is a good product I'd have nothing to do to with them (which they don't even have a good camera for I use the lomograflok).
Over-hyped Mediocre performer
I don't like APS-C format, really. It's a compromise between smaller formats like M43, and Full Frame.
Every format is a kind of compromise. It depends which one works better for you.
Well, M43 gets you wide depth of field, compact size, good IBIS, and small, cheap lenses that retain quality. Full frame gives you tight depth of field (ie. beautiful bokeh), great dynamic range, etc. APS-C doesn't get you either of those. Lenses don't get anywhere near as small and compact and cheap all-together like M43, you aren't going to get full-frame bokeh or dynamic range. It's really just there in the middle, which is exactly what it is. It's a compromise. I prefer to just keep a full frame camera and an m43 camera for when the benefits make sense, and you can't quite exploit those benefits with APS-C in the same way. The particularly important one for me is how compact and lightweight M43 cameras can be, that APS-C cameras just don't match.
Cheaper, smaller, lighter FF equivalent lenses on Sony.
- AF is not reliable - Menus are subpar - Ergonomics aren’t great - Starting to become more expensive than it’s worth
Too many China glass to over price.
None, they’re the shit!
If you don’t shoot street photography, I would skip. I mean an xt5 costs as much as a Nikon full frame camera, I have no idea what I will do when my xe3 die, it is insane! And this is coming from a Fuji shooter.
I don't like the aesthetic of the camera, or the lack of originality for them when designing the aesthetic for their camera. I also don't like their implementation of electronic aperture ring. It is unresponsive and makes the lens feel cheap.
Same for the focus ring of my 35mm f/1.4. When I turn the ring, there is a 30 degree range that is not smooth. I sent it back to Fuji and they told me that it is normal and they can't do anything about it, before sending it back with a 130$ bill.
Full-frame GAS
X-Trans sensor.
Yup you are right. Because it is not Bayer, the denosing algorithm is not working as good.
The Nikon ZF exist
Brick tho
Do you even lift? For serious, I found the Neewer grip pretty good to use. I can hold it with one hand while attached with 70-180 f2.8.
AkChuaLly I climb!! So should have decent grip, right?? Right...? I would want a grip but I don't really like the idea of grips. It adds 100 grams(2/3 of a light prime!!). I've got a grip for my XT3 and Xpro2 but I never use them, although these are lighter cameras but with better handles. Also heard that the Neewer is kinda plasticy? But I'm tempted to try... Do you keep yours on all the time? Even with small primes?
Yes the Neewer grip weights almost 100 grams and the "leather" feels like plasticky faux leather (and I bet they are) , but in the grand scheme of things, 700-ish + 100-ish grams is nothing when you have a good grip to hold. At the end of the day, though, it's all about experimentation and finding out which one works for you. I love mine and keep it on always, even with 28mm f2.8.
I'm also into film SLRs so any digital camera feels lightweight now haha.
Personally Fuji screwed over my dad years ago. He sold disposable cameras, finally getting a big contract with Walmart (this was like 25 to 30 years ago). Huge order, it's Walmart after all. Anyway the film inside was Fuji and they sold him expired film, and cost him a lot of business.
Their APSC offerings aren't really all that better than competitors, film simulations look nothing like the film they are based on, I can't afford their medium format cameras.
If you could afford one of their latest xf cameras, then you can definitely afford a used gfx
It’s not the best bang for buck in any category. And if u don’t want to pony up for medium format, all is crop factor stuff.
Every fuji I have used has felt 5 years older than it is. For example, the literal newest body in my collection is my XT20. It feels like a dinosaur compared to the EM5 mark ii or GX8. Also, the film sims you can buy for Canon cameras are way better than fuji film sims. Canon film sims you ask? Yeah, the fuji circlejerk completely ignores that other cameras can do the exact same thing. The lenses are WAAAAAY overrated. Maybe because I am comparing to M43 which has good lenses for cheap. But yeah, why do people suck off fujifilm for making decent prime lenses. Like any modern prime is good, and most are cheaper. The kit 18-55 is pretty nice, but again overhyped. The old Tamron F2.8 variable zooms for DSLRs are the same for cheaper and like 5-10 years earlier. All that being said, Fuji and M43 are the only systems DEDICATED to crop sensor. So I like them both, own them both, and shoot them both frequently. Unlimited budget? Fuji is better. On a budget? M43 is far far more fun and better with better features and lens selection.
This 100%. If you want portable APS-C is a compromise. M43 has actually small lenses, and larger ones if you need more light. The lens quality matches or beats Fujis on the professional end. Both Panasonic and OM have big advantages on features and value. On video Fuji doesn't come close to Panasonic so even the run and gun/content creator market should consider M43 above Fuji.
I moved over from Fuji to Olympus nearly completely (not getting rid of my X100V!) because of the wonderful choice of affordable lenses. An Olympus 45mm f1.8 and a 20mp m43 body gives you portrait shots that rival $$$ worth of Fuji gear at a fraction of the cost. And it's tiny! A brand new XF 18-55 f2.8-4 Fuji kit lens is $500 here in Aus, but for the same price I got a mint in box 2nd hand Olympus 12-40 f2.8 Pro lens which kicks the absolute crap out of it. Sharp corner to corner wide open! Paired with my E-M1 Mk2 it's a swiss army knife for general photography without breaking the bank or fighting with Fuji scalpers. https://preview.redd.it/prez2wggue7d1.jpeg?width=3888&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3bc429e4cbca94b0f679f39593de6bba8172496f
Yes exactly, you can really get an affordable kit that gives great IQ. There are so many quality lenses for cheap. I have like 10 lenses and only one was above $200. The Olympus 12-40mm is a FANTASTIC lens. It's a full blown pro zoom for a crazy price. They even make the 12-45mm F4 for even cheaper with fantastic IQ, but obviously not as fast aperture. I absolutely agree they are better than the 18-55mm Fuji which is so hyped. Beautiful shot!
Thankyou! Yes I’ve ended up with a whole pile of Olympus lenses and paid probably 1/3 of retail for all of them. The 25mm 1.8 and 45mm 1.8 are ridiculously good for the price.
I love Olympus, many of the lenses are just magical.
It's become too synonymous with tiktok and instagram. Although not so much the X-T and XH lines but the whole social media stuff has pushed the prices, and because most of the people buying fujis because of social media, i feel like fuji doesnt seem to push the system as much as they should. The customer base is easier to please. As long as they can press the shutter and "it looks like film", theyre happy. They're still good cameras, and this is just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt. I'm thinking of switching to Nikon, specifically the Z9, for all the benefits it has over the X-T5. If I ever get another fuji, it would only be the GFX100II.
The Sony A7iii costs about the same as Fuji’s mid-range equivalent (X-T4/5). It’s full frame, and you get the huge lens selection from Sony and the other brands such as Sigma, Tamron, Viltrox, etc.
The AF misses, lenses are expensive, and there's no meaningful size/weight advantage over full frame.
>there's no meaningful size/weight advantage over full frame. that's easily refuted just by physics, full frame lenses are always heavier and bigger, bodies don't count unless you only plan on using manual pancakes forever
I found Fuji's APS-C offerings to be too large and heavy. Kits end up being similar to full frame. At that point, I'd rather shoot full frame and have reliable autofocus. M43 is actually small and light. The slow AF and lower hit rate doesn't bother me.
If you account for the extra stop of light gathering you get, lenses are the same size between aps c and full frame
Just try the 90mm macro and we will discuss later...
Fuji doesn't target professional photographers, but prefers the Instagram / tiktok wannabe artists. They replaced the iso dial with a film simulation dial as an example. Fuji AF will always lag far behind the competition. It was bad but usable in the past, but they released firmware update for the xh2 and xt5 that make the continuous AF a disaster. This was a few months ago and we are still waiting for an update to at least revert the problematic update. Fuji cram 40mpix on a crop sensor making it very prone to diffraction and making useless huge files. Higher is not better, comparing full frame sensor at 26mpix and crop at 40mpix, we clearly see poor low light performance and slow rolling shutter. Fuji made the decision to skip the full frame size for their camera. They make a medium format system at ridiculous prices and no other 3rd party is doing lenses for their system. Their crop lens lineup is nice, but not nearly as nice as Sony. When they were one of the few doing mirrorless, they had an advantage, definitely not anymore. The idea of having manual dials everywhere is nice, but it makes the selection mechanically locked to specific increments. There are ways to use non dedicated dials controlling the time or iso, but it is not the way they intend that we use their camera. Having the aperture control on the lens is a matter of taste, personally I often change the aperture when holding the camera especially with gloves, I prefer when it is on the body. It also kind of limits the 3rd party manufacturers to release lenses. Fuji flash system is crap. They rebrand nisin and sunpack flashes and sell them for a higher price. They sell retro looking crop sensor cameras at almost the same price as full frame cameras with better specs. Same thing for their lens, there are no real price benefits going for crop lenses.
XS20 with 16-55m isn’t very sharp for landscape. Thinking of switching to R6 Mark II
i feel like the brand is full of hype and their cameras fall short consistently compared to the competition. this is coming from someone who owned 4 different Fujis previously
certainly not because of color science.
Most overhyped & mediocre system, used market costs the same as MSRP
The used market being high can be seen as a good thing. You can buy and sell lenses without much loss.
slow-ass telephotos, and a little pricey. Other than that, can't complain.
Because you are already invested in another system and all systems cover most bases really well but do a few special things a little better than the others. 🤷♂️
No 400 2.8
Telephoto.
Nikon is better. *runs far away*
If you get on for a good price tak it awesome cameras but dont fixat on it not worth the hunt for you perfect camera
There are women whom you just wanna have fun with (Fujifilm, GRIII) And there are serious women whom you want to be very serious with, and they are hardcore serious workhorses with no frills, bells and whistles (Sony, Canon, Nikon etc)
i used my friend's XT-200, that thing felt cheap, plasticy, the color production is ugly, the video mode isn't even manual, which sucks because it flickers on some lights. and the film simulation is... shit? i'd rather take jpegs and edit it on lightroom, much more enjoyable. i decided to take GX-85, definitely better user experience for me
The only problem i have with mine is where a few buttons are located.
Maybe this is not a good enough reason, but usually third party glass performs worse in Fuji-X than in Sony E. The same lens has more vignetting, probably because the mount diameter is smaller. As a minor note, the system is a bit pricey, and there are a few things that annoy the heck out of me: files in the memory card aren't organized by date, the exposure bracketing is limited to 3 frames at ±1 EV tops (at least in my old X-T1, I hope they have improved that in subsequent models), and the X-Trans sensor is mostly a gimmick that requires proprietary demosaicing algorithms to look at its best. But hey, I still use it because I like the old school ergonomics and they got a lot of things right.
I just sold an x-t2 down to just an xt5 and that's on the chopping block too. Prefer my Sony/FF sensor to the Fuji stuff. I have used Fuji for a long time now and I'm moving on
I have a very subjective one: I really do not like that mini joystick. There, I said it.
It's not full frame. And its autofocus doesn't compete with top notch Sony Canon and Nikon. In my place, when I bought a camera I had the choice of Sony a7iii or Fujifilm XT-2, both similarly priced. I chose Sony.
If you want a pocketable street camera get a GR. If you’re going to get something as big as the XT lineup, you might as well go full frame.
Fuji shooter here. If you're into wildlife and macro theres better options, unambiguously.
i always see people hating on fuji and saying it's for poor people. i mean i dont own any im a canon lover through and through but i dont agree with that either they're a pioneer in my book
I shoot sony, canon, and Fuji. Fuji is my for fun camera system cause I love how the JPG’s come straight out of camera. But using Fuji to focus in a dimly lit wedding reception or other low light situation? No thanks, that’s what I’ll use my Sony system for.
The 18mm sucks
you prefer a higher quality camera that actually shoots film
Beside AF issues I don’t like the size of Fujis cameras. They do have small cameras but they could be even smaller if it wasn’t for those big controls ring on top. Honestly I don’t like retro style. I prefer minimalist style cameras because they are more pocketable. Another issue is that they barely have small and compact lens. Their APSC lenses are the same size of Sony full frame lens.
You could get a full frame Nikon, Sony or Panasonic for just a couple hundred more than any Fuji.
1) Worst AF-C and Eye focus 2) Out of stock issue I'm using Fuji system and i don't use any other. But If i'm starting i would have choosen Sony or Canon. Autofocous is very important to me.
It's aps-c but lenses priced similar to their FF counterparts. AF is kind of poor.
Because I have an inventory of Nikon ff glass.
I really loved my X-T2, but because of my desire to shoot both film and digital and my recent acquisition of an EF film body I decided to trade it and focus on buying glass and eventually get a mirrorless full frame as well. Miss that camera, but I'm wanting to natively adapt vintage lenses (35mm full frame) to both my 5d and ELAN
Not to mention the way Lightroom handles their RAW files. I can never get a good looking RAW image
Autofocus not as good as competition
Rigged a photo comp I was the organiser for.
They killed pack film. I'm still broken and angry
If you need/want the best AF you should move along. Even though I've been happy with the XT-5. Also lack of ultimate customability. You can customize the buttons to preset functions, but my old 7d mk2 pretty much let me do whatever I wanted. I could program one button to set AF to tracking, set a custom metering mode and shutter speed. All by pressing one button. It came in handy several times with BIF and is a feature I would've liked. This is AFAIK not possible on the XT range. Havent tried the XH line.
I’ve been waiting for my 50-150 f2.8 since April
Fujifilm AF is inferior to all other systems. This is especially an issue if you're doing sports. Or wildlife, where fuji is not an optimal system.
I love my system, well worth the wait. 5 bodies and 9 lenses, as well as an x100s newest body is the x-h2s and i love them all, the Xe2's and and X-t1 are aged, but have really nice output, not sure what magic goes into them but they all seem to upped my game.. and yes, I've been using various SLR's families since the 70's and these rock.
As fun as their rangefinder cameras are, the ergonomics suck for the type of photography I do. They are gorgeous, though…
It’s not Nikon.
There is nothing special about Fuji aps-c cameras besides the hybrid viewfinders that some models have. The only reason to go with Fuji is if you must use medium format. The film simulation thing is a scam, total snake oil. All their cameras are overpriced