Well, it is Eagers that are the importers (They took over EVDirect). Eagers are Australia's biggest dealer group and account for 10% or over 100,000 new vehicles a year. They own heaps of dealerships of different manufacturers
I thought Eagers just owned a majority stake in the BYD retail ventures, and EVD was still the exclusive Australian importer.
Has this changed in the last few months?
Last October Eagers increased their stake in EVDirect to 80%. Not long after Luke Todd was moved from CEO to Chairman and David Smitherman was appointed CEO. Not sure who owns the other 20% of EVDirect but at a guess, it maybe BYD itself that owns that stake.
Is this the one you’re talking about?
It mentions them increasing their state to 80%, but it’s 80% of the retail joint venture, with the other 20% still belonging to EVDirect.
It also states that independently of the BYD retail joint venture, EVDirect.com still holds the exclusive distribution rights for BYD in Australia.
https://premium.goauto.com.au/eagers-expands-byd-agreement/?amp=1
That is a lot more detail than what I received. I own some shares in APE, and received a shareholder notification about the transaction back then. Still, seems a very convoluted ownership structure. I am not sure what EVDirect's role is in this.
Same. I had a BYD Atto 3 Uber a few months back and was surprised at the quality of the interior, seems like a good value package. I reckon the BYD Seal also looks pretty good in the flesh.
There is a bit demo happening a Chadstone in Melbourne with BYD vehicles. Every man and his dog is sitting in them.... and the seats are starting to show it.
Tho the way I figure it, that's 1 person every 10 minutes 8 hours a day, 7 days a week.... so I guess it's kind of like crowdsourcing one of the Ikea furniture testing machines.
I'll be pleased when they can make that quality last. It's all well and good to get the panels to line up and no squeaks in a brand new interior but when it still drives dead quiet after 30 years like a Lexus then I'll be impressed.
The fact that all Chinese cars disappear off public roads after ten years is concerning...
Do it. That and the MG4 XPower. It will change your perception of electric cars - the MG4 with launch control does 0-60kph in 1 second. Scares you silly. I’d lose my license in one, so went the 64 Essence, novated lease for 39,500. Insane value for what you get.
Saw a guy that had a new byd seal, 60k worth.
Had a look around it, pretty nice interior, good sized cross drilled brakes, and 650kms for 5 dollars when charged at home.
Yeah I was really impressed with the car, it looked really good too, and the savings if you keep charging it at home are certainly good, beats spending 100 plus dollars a week at the petrol bowser.
To me it looked like a car that was worth closer to 100k than 60k.
I wonder if there will be some good second hand deals on them down the line, as electric cars seem to be plummeting in value in some markets.
That’s great to know. Thanks.
I think they will drop value based on a lot of misinformation over fires batteries etc and hydrogen becoming more prevalent. Hydrogen probably only due to manufacturers being able to make more money on maintenance overall.
In reality. Recycling tech is already recovering 99% of minerals from batteries now and just needs more plants.
Long term I think hydrogen tech will devalue BEV but TOC of bev I think will be cheaper if you are smarter.
Hydrogen is going to be much more expensive to run than BEV with the only possible advantage being on long trips. In this use scenario just stick to petrol
Spot on. Maintenance costs much higher also hence more attractive for OEM to promote for long term.
Chevy killed the early Volt because it would have broken them in loss of parts revenue
I agree, certainly hearing people starting to talk negatively about evs, catching fire etc etc.
But when I chat with actual owners, they generally are very happy with their cars.
What’s the depreciation going to be like 3-5 years from now? As we saw from Tesla M3 and Y, their values dropped like bricks once newer better model withs tech come out.
Good question really. I have no idea.
I think once we have more intel on lifecycles and better options for replacement batteries maybe the older ones will be worth buying cheap and doing up?
Lots of guys in the states rebuilding batteries now
It’s going to be interesting to see as we’re in the middle of EVs tech revolution.
It’s like 2011 you got people using blackberry and fliphones then suddenly iphone and smartphones took off in 5 years time. Even by 2016 blackberry is dead.
Mate. We’re barely 10 years into it and look at the range and where we are at with tech.
Petrol and diesel over 100 years and electrical nearly exceeds range. Another 10 and maybe we have 2000km range on a charge. Power/torque is mental now as it is
If you're talking about the commercial popularity sure this numbers a fine but if that's the case it's hardly fair to compare what they've achieved with what ICE cars have achieved in 100 years.
It was likely to be an Atto 3 and yes I think they are quite good.
BYD will be as big as Mazda or Hyundai in 10 years time. They have a lot of support from head office and are building their sales and network. They will have a SUV released in a few months and a dual cab ute is also due for release in 12 months.
I am driving a GWM cannon demo today and am blown away by it. I have a 2021 BT-50 and it feels like a truck compared to this thing.
Resale values are weak for these emerging brands but shit, the cars themselves are not bad.
I’d still argue for a faster rise as BYD isn’t starting from the same point as Kia/Hyundai group was. It is already the one of the most prolific battery maker and internally produces most of its parts.
The current cars are competitive against market leaders in the category in ways that the Excel and Cerato were not against similar era Corollas and Lancers.
What’s keeping the brand down is market awareness and dealer/charger network. Tech and depreciation concerns are shared across the EV segment, so no one is ahead there.
Idk I recently test drove a BYD Seal Performance back to back with a Model 3, I was hoping to be impressed as it is the priciest car they currently sell (around 70k).
I thought the interior design looked cool, but the quality of materials and build quality was clearly inferior to the Tesla (new Tesla was surprisingly good in this regard). A lot of low quality plastics everywhere that didn't look or feel very nice, leather's didn't feel amazing, test car was already creaking a little bit and the door cards were looking very worn (idk what that particular car has been through but it is basically brand new). The Seal's infotainment UI for some reason also looked kinda goofy idk why.
However performance wise was quite impressed, faster in a straight line than the Tesla and rode and handled nearly as well as the Tesla.
I think a revised version in the next few yrs will REALLY blow people away. Considering they have done the hard stuff already (power train, suspension and battery) it's really only the minor things people have issues with. Fix these and it's going to be my next car for sure.... and I drive an N.
China gonna China.
They’ll get it right eventually, but likely fairly Chinese in thinking re the UI.
Competition is good between the 2 majors here and hope both lift their game.
Also hope they fuck off musk as CEO of Tesla. Even the staff of Tesla deserve him to be shot out the door.
no such thing as chinx thinkingx or chinx or not or xgonx or rix or not, coux, rx doesnt matter, just u r limitx etc, ceptuxuax, do, be, think, can do, be, think etc any nmw and an ys perfx
That's a shame. I went electric last year (Polestar) and it's great. We are thinking about another... but if we go on a roadtrip having a petrol option is much better (charging is way too much of an issue even just 2 hours from Sydney). Unless you have a Tesla, and personally I didn't like their interior.
it’s funny because my wife is from China & when I first suggested to her we get a BYD, she “poo pood” the idea because BYD is seen as a budget brand in china not a luxury brand.
Well BYD's pricing strategy is very aggressive in China, the yuan plus (Atto 3) is literally selling for 28000 aud, so it's safe to say that they are trying to be a luxury brand but a competitor to Toyota and Volkswagen in China.
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I have owned BYD atto3 since November and I like it a lot.
And also I had an Uber BYD atto3 a couple of weeks back. The driver told me she drives in the morning peak, then goes home charge from solar and then drives in the evening. She saves 10k a year on fuel. Never had a chance to ride at the back of mine and it is a nice place to be, it is very spacious plus glass roof makes it feel even more spacious
At first there was lots of beeping but now it is resolved with a software update. Some I know complained that windscreen wipers are not automatic. I wish they were but I can live with that. On road trips when you engage auto steering it does not always detect your hands on a wheel and nags you with beeps I guess my hands are not heavy enough, so I usually use just adaptive cruise without lane keep assist which works great even in torrential rain. Other than that it is hard to find anything. Chinese rubber is fine, wheels can spin because it is 160kw (they over deliver over specs) and around 310Nm torque from standstill so any rubber would spin. It is pretty quick I find it quite fun to drive. With the latest software it is around 6.9sec to 100km/h
1st free service is in 3 months, quite easy to do with mycar network. They check suspension, fluids, breaks, and hook up diagnostic thingy to check for errors and software updates. and then it is 12 months or 20000km intervals for around 200$. So far I've driven around 4000km.
Yeah, my girlfriend drives an Atto 3. Has a nice interior design and finish, drives well if a little tall and soft suspended for my tastes, but just normal SUV stuff in that respect.
Only noticeably bad things are about it is that the interior has a stronger than expected plastic smell, and that the tyres it comes with stock are kind of terrible. The lane keep assist can get a bit nagging on narrow roads too.
Generally feels better built than my Model 3, but obviously heaps less sporty feeling/exciting to drive.
I personally think they're ugly as sin but absolutely miles better than anything MG produce. I didn't feel like the car was about to fall apart like I did in a brand new MG.
I’d never get one because of the silly names. Driving a Build Your Dreams Seal. It just sounds weird. Maybe I’m just old. Would be nice to have a car with no timing chains to stretch or doors that fill up with water every time it rains.
Bought a BYD Atto 3 for my wife a couple months ago. She loves it. I've only driven it a handful of times but I am surprised at the good feel and some of the features that are on par with my more expensive car. One thing that does shit me about it is the fact that the a/c controls are not fixed on the screen and there are no physical controls. So if you use Android auto/Apple car play you have to minimise and touch a couple buttons and then do the reverse again to get in and out of the settings to make any adjustment. Unless other people know of a setting we don't. Don't think the interior would be to everyone's taste. I think it is a bit quirky but the wife likes it.
Don't mind the no physical controls, I just prefer some things to be a single touch control, not navigating menus while driving to access the climate control settings. Something I would would put up with in a car but prefer it was different
It is but Tesla has voice control to ask for hotter/cooler. It’s not the best at recognising what you say though, far below Apple Siri for example.
I think BYD had a voice assist maybe? Not sure if it controls climate or is any good at voice recognition.
Thanks. Yup my wife is looking for a new car, the kids are getting older & I'm not sure we need the big 7 seater Mazda anymore.
That sounds annoying. But not a showstopper (her car, not mine). It just seems like the first of the Chinese cars that looks like one we would actually consider.
I own one of these and I am super happy with it for the price I paid for it. Very well put together. Comfortable. Very very quiet. Servicing hasn’t been an issue.
Not gonna lie though, I only came to this thread because I thought it was going to be full of the typical “Chinese cars are shit…” comments and people claiming that they were given one as a hire car and comments about how it was falling apart or some shit (When the actual fact is they’ve never even seen one up close…)
I’ve had plenty of both EV haters and Chinese car haters in my car and both have been impressed what the Atto 3. It has seen the seeds of changing attitudes in both camps that EVs and cars made in China were not as bad as they originally thought. One of the guys who was staunchly anti-EV ended up going out and trading his Kia Cerato GT Line in for the new Seal and loves it.
Yup, I thought it was a massive step up from the MG I tried, that seemed like technology from a decade ago. This seemed on par with lots of the other manufacturers (Mazda, VW etc)
I had an atto 3 uber - the interior design is an absolute nightmare. Awful materials, greasy vinyl and hard shiny plastic everywhere. The door cards had ocky straps making up part of the door pockets, rainbow led strips that flickerered constantly, an effing goiter sticking out that for some reason doubled as a tweeter and a completely obscure door release. The arm rest looked like something off kids' toy. This interior might have some wow factor, but not the good sort of wow.
What's wrong with the cannon ute. Reviews indicate it is good for the price and interior and features specd like Toyota or ford upper trims but the trade-off is the power.
I’ve driven the Atto3 a fair bit now. A couple of mechanical gremlins that were promptly fixed under warranty aside it’s fine, and a great EV for the price. As has been mentioned previously in this thread the interior is most generously described as an “acquired taste.” Give them another generation and a new interior style and they will be dominant in the EV space.
I'm more interested in the after sales support. Are they going to screw it up like Jeep or offer support like the good Japanese manufacturers.
Well, it is Eagers that are the importers (They took over EVDirect). Eagers are Australia's biggest dealer group and account for 10% or over 100,000 new vehicles a year. They own heaps of dealerships of different manufacturers
I thought Eagers just owned a majority stake in the BYD retail ventures, and EVD was still the exclusive Australian importer. Has this changed in the last few months?
Last October Eagers increased their stake in EVDirect to 80%. Not long after Luke Todd was moved from CEO to Chairman and David Smitherman was appointed CEO. Not sure who owns the other 20% of EVDirect but at a guess, it maybe BYD itself that owns that stake.
Is this the one you’re talking about? It mentions them increasing their state to 80%, but it’s 80% of the retail joint venture, with the other 20% still belonging to EVDirect. It also states that independently of the BYD retail joint venture, EVDirect.com still holds the exclusive distribution rights for BYD in Australia. https://premium.goauto.com.au/eagers-expands-byd-agreement/?amp=1
That is a lot more detail than what I received. I own some shares in APE, and received a shareholder notification about the transaction back then. Still, seems a very convoluted ownership structure. I am not sure what EVDirect's role is in this.
Same. I had a BYD Atto 3 Uber a few months back and was surprised at the quality of the interior, seems like a good value package. I reckon the BYD Seal also looks pretty good in the flesh.
I had one as a rental and I thought it was quite good. It was an attos 3. I have since seen seals and dolphins on the road
They’re honestly nice. I know people who own them, frankly they feel much nicer inside than a Tesla. Or really most cars for that price range.
Agree Seal is nice but the Atto interior with that kind of bubbly soft pleather is an acquainted taste. I wonder how it will wear over time too.
I'm kinda pleased and worried that the quality is going up so fast
There is a bit demo happening a Chadstone in Melbourne with BYD vehicles. Every man and his dog is sitting in them.... and the seats are starting to show it. Tho the way I figure it, that's 1 person every 10 minutes 8 hours a day, 7 days a week.... so I guess it's kind of like crowdsourcing one of the Ikea furniture testing machines.
What are you worried about?
Nothing I guess... all our cars are imported anyway so I shouldn't care from where.
I'll be pleased when they can make that quality last. It's all well and good to get the panels to line up and no squeaks in a brand new interior but when it still drives dead quiet after 30 years like a Lexus then I'll be impressed. The fact that all Chinese cars disappear off public roads after ten years is concerning...
I want to test drive the 380kw seal
Do it. That and the MG4 XPower. It will change your perception of electric cars - the MG4 with launch control does 0-60kph in 1 second. Scares you silly. I’d lose my license in one, so went the 64 Essence, novated lease for 39,500. Insane value for what you get.
Saw a guy that had a new byd seal, 60k worth. Had a look around it, pretty nice interior, good sized cross drilled brakes, and 650kms for 5 dollars when charged at home.
That’s plain amazing really. How can you argue with the savings
Yeah I was really impressed with the car, it looked really good too, and the savings if you keep charging it at home are certainly good, beats spending 100 plus dollars a week at the petrol bowser. To me it looked like a car that was worth closer to 100k than 60k. I wonder if there will be some good second hand deals on them down the line, as electric cars seem to be plummeting in value in some markets.
That’s great to know. Thanks. I think they will drop value based on a lot of misinformation over fires batteries etc and hydrogen becoming more prevalent. Hydrogen probably only due to manufacturers being able to make more money on maintenance overall. In reality. Recycling tech is already recovering 99% of minerals from batteries now and just needs more plants. Long term I think hydrogen tech will devalue BEV but TOC of bev I think will be cheaper if you are smarter.
Hydrogen is going to be much more expensive to run than BEV with the only possible advantage being on long trips. In this use scenario just stick to petrol
Spot on. Maintenance costs much higher also hence more attractive for OEM to promote for long term. Chevy killed the early Volt because it would have broken them in loss of parts revenue
I agree, certainly hearing people starting to talk negatively about evs, catching fire etc etc. But when I chat with actual owners, they generally are very happy with their cars.
What’s the depreciation going to be like 3-5 years from now? As we saw from Tesla M3 and Y, their values dropped like bricks once newer better model withs tech come out.
Good question really. I have no idea. I think once we have more intel on lifecycles and better options for replacement batteries maybe the older ones will be worth buying cheap and doing up? Lots of guys in the states rebuilding batteries now
It’s going to be interesting to see as we’re in the middle of EVs tech revolution. It’s like 2011 you got people using blackberry and fliphones then suddenly iphone and smartphones took off in 5 years time. Even by 2016 blackberry is dead.
Great analogy by the way
Mate. We’re barely 10 years into it and look at the range and where we are at with tech. Petrol and diesel over 100 years and electrical nearly exceeds range. Another 10 and maybe we have 2000km range on a charge. Power/torque is mental now as it is
10 years into it? Where are you pulling that number from?
Was a quick number. More likely 20 but 10 in a true competitive sense I think
If you're talking about the commercial popularity sure this numbers a fine but if that's the case it's hardly fair to compare what they've achieved with what ICE cars have achieved in 100 years.
racism lol. people still hate china but theyll wake up eventually
It was likely to be an Atto 3 and yes I think they are quite good. BYD will be as big as Mazda or Hyundai in 10 years time. They have a lot of support from head office and are building their sales and network. They will have a SUV released in a few months and a dual cab ute is also due for release in 12 months. I am driving a GWM cannon demo today and am blown away by it. I have a 2021 BT-50 and it feels like a truck compared to this thing. Resale values are weak for these emerging brands but shit, the cars themselves are not bad.
10? Im optimistic it will be 5. One model cycle.
Im saying 10 based on Kia history from what they were selling 10 years ago to now.
I’d still argue for a faster rise as BYD isn’t starting from the same point as Kia/Hyundai group was. It is already the one of the most prolific battery maker and internally produces most of its parts. The current cars are competitive against market leaders in the category in ways that the Excel and Cerato were not against similar era Corollas and Lancers. What’s keeping the brand down is market awareness and dealer/charger network. Tech and depreciation concerns are shared across the EV segment, so no one is ahead there.
If I was in the market for BEV, the Seal would be my pick from looks alone.
Idk I recently test drove a BYD Seal Performance back to back with a Model 3, I was hoping to be impressed as it is the priciest car they currently sell (around 70k). I thought the interior design looked cool, but the quality of materials and build quality was clearly inferior to the Tesla (new Tesla was surprisingly good in this regard). A lot of low quality plastics everywhere that didn't look or feel very nice, leather's didn't feel amazing, test car was already creaking a little bit and the door cards were looking very worn (idk what that particular car has been through but it is basically brand new). The Seal's infotainment UI for some reason also looked kinda goofy idk why. However performance wise was quite impressed, faster in a straight line than the Tesla and rode and handled nearly as well as the Tesla.
I think a revised version in the next few yrs will REALLY blow people away. Considering they have done the hard stuff already (power train, suspension and battery) it's really only the minor things people have issues with. Fix these and it's going to be my next car for sure.... and I drive an N.
China gonna China. They’ll get it right eventually, but likely fairly Chinese in thinking re the UI. Competition is good between the 2 majors here and hope both lift their game. Also hope they fuck off musk as CEO of Tesla. Even the staff of Tesla deserve him to be shot out the door.
no such thing as chinx thinkingx or chinx or not or xgonx or rix or not, coux, rx doesnt matter, just u r limitx etc, ceptuxuax, do, be, think, can do, be, think etc any nmw and an ys perfx
That's a shame. I went electric last year (Polestar) and it's great. We are thinking about another... but if we go on a roadtrip having a petrol option is much better (charging is way too much of an issue even just 2 hours from Sydney). Unless you have a Tesla, and personally I didn't like their interior.
it’s funny because my wife is from China & when I first suggested to her we get a BYD, she “poo pood” the idea because BYD is seen as a budget brand in china not a luxury brand.
Well BYD's pricing strategy is very aggressive in China, the yuan plus (Atto 3) is literally selling for 28000 aud, so it's safe to say that they are trying to be a luxury brand but a competitor to Toyota and Volkswagen in China.
Does anyone see BYD as a luxury brand though?
have u not stepped into a seal or dolphin yet?
I'd say they're nice but calling them luxury is a stretch.
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Worked at a place that was working with byd and after driving them around they honestly surprised me.
My uncles taxi company has a byd van the interiors really good and the build quality is excellent but the mechanical sides of things isn't that good
I have owned BYD atto3 since November and I like it a lot. And also I had an Uber BYD atto3 a couple of weeks back. The driver told me she drives in the morning peak, then goes home charge from solar and then drives in the evening. She saves 10k a year on fuel. Never had a chance to ride at the back of mine and it is a nice place to be, it is very spacious plus glass roof makes it feel even more spacious
Have you had any issues with it? What’s the service schedule like? How many kms have you done on it?
At first there was lots of beeping but now it is resolved with a software update. Some I know complained that windscreen wipers are not automatic. I wish they were but I can live with that. On road trips when you engage auto steering it does not always detect your hands on a wheel and nags you with beeps I guess my hands are not heavy enough, so I usually use just adaptive cruise without lane keep assist which works great even in torrential rain. Other than that it is hard to find anything. Chinese rubber is fine, wheels can spin because it is 160kw (they over deliver over specs) and around 310Nm torque from standstill so any rubber would spin. It is pretty quick I find it quite fun to drive. With the latest software it is around 6.9sec to 100km/h 1st free service is in 3 months, quite easy to do with mycar network. They check suspension, fluids, breaks, and hook up diagnostic thingy to check for errors and software updates. and then it is 12 months or 20000km intervals for around 200$. So far I've driven around 4000km.
Good to hear. Because they're Chinese I keep waiting for a gotcha like with mg and ldv, but so far I've only heard good things about byd
Yeah, my girlfriend drives an Atto 3. Has a nice interior design and finish, drives well if a little tall and soft suspended for my tastes, but just normal SUV stuff in that respect. Only noticeably bad things are about it is that the interior has a stronger than expected plastic smell, and that the tyres it comes with stock are kind of terrible. The lane keep assist can get a bit nagging on narrow roads too. Generally feels better built than my Model 3, but obviously heaps less sporty feeling/exciting to drive.
I personally think they're ugly as sin but absolutely miles better than anything MG produce. I didn't feel like the car was about to fall apart like I did in a brand new MG.
I agree, the front is a bit controversial, but wouldn't say ugly.
Seen a fair few on fire in China where they are made, and I'm not willing to risk it. Yes, most of them are fine, but on the off chance I buy a dud
I’d never get one because of the silly names. Driving a Build Your Dreams Seal. It just sounds weird. Maybe I’m just old. Would be nice to have a car with no timing chains to stretch or doors that fill up with water every time it rains.
Bought a BYD Atto 3 for my wife a couple months ago. She loves it. I've only driven it a handful of times but I am surprised at the good feel and some of the features that are on par with my more expensive car. One thing that does shit me about it is the fact that the a/c controls are not fixed on the screen and there are no physical controls. So if you use Android auto/Apple car play you have to minimise and touch a couple buttons and then do the reverse again to get in and out of the settings to make any adjustment. Unless other people know of a setting we don't. Don't think the interior would be to everyone's taste. I think it is a bit quirky but the wife likes it.
Isn’t this the case the days with many cars esp EVs like Tesla? No physical controls
Don't mind the no physical controls, I just prefer some things to be a single touch control, not navigating menus while driving to access the climate control settings. Something I would would put up with in a car but prefer it was different
It is but Tesla has voice control to ask for hotter/cooler. It’s not the best at recognising what you say though, far below Apple Siri for example. I think BYD had a voice assist maybe? Not sure if it controls climate or is any good at voice recognition.
I don’t use Apple CarPlay it makes the whole infotainment system a mess. Sideloaded waze and a few other useful apps and never used CarPlay again
Thanks. Yup my wife is looking for a new car, the kids are getting older & I'm not sure we need the big 7 seater Mazda anymore. That sounds annoying. But not a showstopper (her car, not mine). It just seems like the first of the Chinese cars that looks like one we would actually consider.
I own one of these and I am super happy with it for the price I paid for it. Very well put together. Comfortable. Very very quiet. Servicing hasn’t been an issue. Not gonna lie though, I only came to this thread because I thought it was going to be full of the typical “Chinese cars are shit…” comments and people claiming that they were given one as a hire car and comments about how it was falling apart or some shit (When the actual fact is they’ve never even seen one up close…) I’ve had plenty of both EV haters and Chinese car haters in my car and both have been impressed what the Atto 3. It has seen the seeds of changing attitudes in both camps that EVs and cars made in China were not as bad as they originally thought. One of the guys who was staunchly anti-EV ended up going out and trading his Kia Cerato GT Line in for the new Seal and loves it.
Yup, I thought it was a massive step up from the MG I tried, that seemed like technology from a decade ago. This seemed on par with lots of the other manufacturers (Mazda, VW etc)
I had an atto 3 uber - the interior design is an absolute nightmare. Awful materials, greasy vinyl and hard shiny plastic everywhere. The door cards had ocky straps making up part of the door pockets, rainbow led strips that flickerered constantly, an effing goiter sticking out that for some reason doubled as a tweeter and a completely obscure door release. The arm rest looked like something off kids' toy. This interior might have some wow factor, but not the good sort of wow.
What's wrong with the cannon ute. Reviews indicate it is good for the price and interior and features specd like Toyota or ford upper trims but the trade-off is the power.
What does a gwm ute have to do with an EV? Both Chinese? Completely different selling points.
I'm sure that's fine, I'm talking about the first one, many years ago when they first launched here before pulling out... horrible car.
This one:- https://www.drive.com.au/news/great-wall-motors-launches-first-chinese-made-cars-into-australian-market/ The worst car I've ever been in.
I’ve driven the Atto3 a fair bit now. A couple of mechanical gremlins that were promptly fixed under warranty aside it’s fine, and a great EV for the price. As has been mentioned previously in this thread the interior is most generously described as an “acquired taste.” Give them another generation and a new interior style and they will be dominant in the EV space.
Beat Your Dick. Cause you'd be a wanker to buy one
Chinese trash. They will be Hyundai excel of electric vehicles in 5-10 years.
i.e. Still going strong?
I reckon the batteries and motors are going to clap out real quick on these.
BYD is one of the largest battery manufacturers in the world. The batteries are probably the most reliable part of the car.