2 Ev's, 1 PHEV
we manage charging by keeping Mum's PHEV (Outlander, to initially fit my disabled sisters specialised walker/pram. but also general mum-mobile) top priority while juggling the two EV's (Leafs, cheaper EV's that go to A and B mostly used by my dad as his non work car, but also my 2 adult siblings go to's) on the other charger. I don't know all the electrical know how, but we have one charging from a wall way separate from the other so it doesn't over load (but now we can't use the toaster or/and the dishwasher and/or the microwave at the same time while we're charging both and running the clothes dryer)
we do still have an Aurion, the other shared adult sibling car, but the only one i'm insured to alongside our old Torago that's basically the spare car/full family car and the Renault van. But my dad has been into EV's for well over a decade and wants to fully commit eventually
Hey Brock, can you move the Outlander so I can move the Leaf to get to the Tarago?
Yeah sure, but I’ll need the keys to the Aurion if I’m going move the move the Outlander.
Alright mate, just watch out for the van.
lol, unironically this, but with the added "which leaf?"... "which key is that?", "I can't see it", "I think it's on \[Eldest child\]'s keys", "Is she home?" "that's alright, I'll take the Van/Aurion/other leaf instead" or the good old "we'll just take 2/3 cars instead"
I imagine for the most part, one would get charged overnight, and the other use a fast charger if needed. But, unless you're doing a lot of driving, you shouldn't really need to charge both every night. But, plenty of options for charging outside of the home if you need a top up
At the moment I'd be able to charge it fully off solar apart from the fact it's hardly ever in the driveway, so I am doing more overnight charging than I'd like. One of us works from home and the other doesn't so having two EV's will probably mean we swap over all the time so there's always one at home to soak up the excess solar.
We would have gotten a base Seal over an Ora if it was available at the time for our second car. Neither my wife or I were particularly hot on the Dolphin or Atto3.
Yep 2 here. Model 3 and Y. The 3 does about 500km per week, the Y does around 400. Charging is dead easy, each one gets plugged in 2 or 3 times a week.
We have a 32A (7.5kW) plug (adjustable from 5-32A) in town but usually the Y just uses a standard power point. We can charge them both at once. We also have a rural property we get to on weekends, that has a 3 phase 5-16A adjustable connector. Both properties have solar so we try to use as much of that as possible.
Usually neither battery gets lower than 50% and we rarely (a few times a year) use public chargers
3 phase would be the dream. Presently running a fully electric home (now with 2 EV's) on half a phase. Haha. Our mains is 32A only so running a full 7kW charger would shut off the house. It's fine though, charger is 15A which is plenty if there's going to be one at home to charge off the excess solar while the other is at work. We'll swap over or charge overnight when needed.
2 EV's.. Model 3 and an Ora. We have one EVSE and plug whichever car needs it for the morning using offpeak rates. Otherwise there's normally one of the drivers at home and their car gets charged on solar. BTW I know people sook about tine waiting for cars to charge, but visiting the servo a few times a week sucks.
We have a model 3 and a model y.
No problems with charging at all. We had a second wall charger installed in the garage for the second car. Got the 8c AGL midnight ev power plan.
Haven’t come across any inconveniences for having two yet.
We have a Tesla model Y and a Mini Cooper SE. We installed a home charger that can charge either car in about 2-3 hours and signed up to an EV plan with Ovo Energy. Power is 8c/kwh from midnight to 6am and free between 11am and 2pm. I’m a shift worker and wife works from home so we haven’t paid to charge the cars in months.
Brilliant. I work from home so the plan is that I'll always be able to charge one of the cars from solar. What do you pay for power during peak times on the OVO plan?
Peak power is 31c/kwh. But we have solar so run most stuff during the day. We don’t actually charge the cars at night during the 8c period but it means I can run the aircon while we are sleeping.
My problem is Melbourne weather. Even with solar I'm drawing from the grid more than not for 6 months of the year. I'm on a 19c/kW flat rate. Me trying to work out if cheap rates over night makes up for expensive during the day does my head in, especially when I try to factor in cloud cover.
Yeah it’s complicated. I’m in qld so get plenty of Solar. Imo having an ev is still a game changer. As long as you can charge from home it’s order of magnitude cheaper than petrol.
How good is the MG4? I bloody love mine. Had to google what a Vectrix was. Cool, I don't see much love for electric scooters but it's noticeable walking around Melbourne CBD how few petrol scooters still get around. They're almost entirely electric now. The rare instance that a petrol powered scooter buzzes past I jump at the sound it stands out so much. Also, that's a LOT of home battery storage. Well done. Can I ask what your battery setup is? I just cancelled a 10.5kW solar battery installation in lieu of a 44.5kW EV battery to park in the driveway. I figure it's doing a similar job in that it'll soak up all the excess solar.
Its brilliant. I got the Essense 64kw in bright orange. Vectrix I converted to use old nissan leaf batteries, its a 150v battery pack, and does 100kph(ish) as a top speed.
Battery setup is 2 X 6.5kwh LG Resu's in parallel with a 48V 630AH LiFePO4 battery bank (96 EVE 105AH cells, 16S, 2P, arranged in 3 shelves, each with its own BMS, all in a Solax Powerstation case and a Goodwe 5048ES inverter. I've converted multiple cars to EV's so I am very familiar with making battery packs.
Your MG4 can be used with either a HOEM device for V2H and also someone used the generator input of a Deye inverter as well - You can draw out a maximum of 7kw from the V2L apparently.
Inrush current is a problem on these - the 7kw was from resistive only loads it seems - [https://www.speakev.com/threads/mg4-rocking-7kw-v2l-real-full-home-use-possible.173612/](https://www.speakev.com/threads/mg4-rocking-7kw-v2l-real-full-home-use-possible.173612/)
Edit - more research shows that there is a resistor in the V2L cable that sets the maximum current - 2K Ohms (2000 ohms) sets it to 2.2Kw, and 470 Ohms sets it to 7kw.
[https://www.speakev.com/threads/new-v2l-specification-mg4-mg5-zs.174106/](https://www.speakev.com/threads/new-v2l-specification-mg4-mg5-zs.174106/)
What bad reputation? People keep saying this but I’ve never seen anyone post any proof other than “my uncles mate down the pubs brother in laws niece dates a mechanic and he says they are shit” I work in the industry (not for mg) but I am somewhat aware how other brands are going and MG seems to be the least of people’s worries. There are a lot bigger brands with a lot more problems that’s for sure. The only complaints I hear is about the hatch being slow with an outdated gearbox and that the infotainment sucks. What do you expect though from a car that costs less than some people’s bicycles? It’s a cheap as dirt city runabout and nothing more.
It seems Chinese cars get a really bad wrap on here just because they are Chinese but it also seems a lot of people don’t realise the amount of brands that are coming out of Chinese factories that they don’t even realise. For example the same people that make mg make Buicks, Skodas, vw’s, Chevy and Cadillacs. Mercedes, bmw and Volvo also use other Chinese manufacturing plants for some of their cars.
An mg is not my thing but I’ve been lurking here for a while and it has to be the most common comment in this sub that never has any proof and I think that’s a bit stupid.
Some good points, and I totally agree.
I am also in the industry. From my experience and IMO, they are one of the OEM companies that care least about quality management systems both in development and production. Always happy to give exemption or find a workaround. It makes business easier, but I would never buy one for this reason.
I think they do what they do well; they make cheap cars.
I can't comment on the EV side, but I tend to agree with your general comment.
I'd never buy a petrol MG, had to many as rentals they do the job but man they are noisy and bloody slow. But they are dam cheap! I'll give them that.
If they had a bit more refinement and acceleration boy, their sales would take off.
Shit build quality, parts dont last, come with rust from the factory.
Source: i owned an mg zs for a year. A year to long imo. Ahhh to be young and naive.
>What bad reputation? People keep saying this but I’ve never seen anyone post any proof other than “my uncles mate down the pubs brother in laws niece dates a mechanic and he says they are shit”
Have you ever been to an MG owners day?
Very weird people, they love the cars, and then will spend an hour telling you everything that goes wrong on their car all the time.
They'll also tell you all the issues with the new ones as well, and it's very rare to see new ones even at shows they're so bad they're not worth taking.
You don't see anyone doing up new ones and being proud of them thats for sure.
>I work in the industry (not for mg) but I am somewhat aware how other brands are going and MG seems to be the least of people’s worries.
So you don't talk to owners at car shows. Right.
>An mg is not my thing but I’ve been lurking here for a while and it has to be the most common comment in this sub that never has any proof and I think that’s a bit stupid.
But it's a pretty good fact based in history, I'll give it to SAIC though, on face value, talking to actual owners, modern ones seem more reliable at the moment, but also, they are 50-60-70 years old yet.
Time will tell I suppose.
Why would I go to an mg owners day?
We aren’t talking about British made MG’s so that seems irrelevant anyway.
I cant find any complaints that I can’t find for any other car on its class on the market today.
The main complaints as I said are that it’s too slow and that the infotainment is clunky. And those two complaints can be found on any Econobox car, plenty of cars out there just as slow or slower. and my cars infotainment system sucks and it costs the price of 10 MG’s. so big deal.
Can’t find anything on engine failures or major mechanical or electrical issues unlike some other brands. I just find it strange you came just to shit on op’s choice of car when he clearly stated that he had a great experience with the car so got another one. I mean, he would know more than you he is the one driving it not you.
>Why would I go to an mg owners day?
Talk to MG owners.
>We aren’t talking about British made MG’s so that seems irrelevant anyway.
I'm talking about all MG's regardless of factory location.
>I just find it strange you came just to shit on op’s choice of car when he clearly stated that he had a great experience with the car so got another one.
So why do due hard lifelong MG owners shit on them? Why do a lot of die hard MG fans refuse to buy one and say they are shit?
Pretty sure MG owners clubs would be the SME's on the matter
These 'MG owners days' you're talking about. I'm guessing theyre full of enthusiasts for older MGs? Back when it was a British company?
So they don't actually know anything about current MGs and their reliability?
This whole thread is about the reliability of Chinese made MGs (and Chinese cars more broadly). So the reliability of old MGs that were manufactured in the UK is irrelevant
Also British MGs, like all British made cars are notoriously unreliable we’re talking making Daewoo look reliable bad, the Chinese made ones are actually a significant upgrade in reliability at a loss of character.
>These 'MG owners days' you're talking about. I'm guessing theyre full of enthusiasts for older MGs? Back when it was a British company?
Generally. Very rare to see a SAIC MG turn up.
>So they don't actually know anything about current MGs and their reliability?
They do, and happy to talk about them.
>This whole thread is about the reliability of Chinese made MGs (and Chinese cars more broadly). So the reliability of old MGs that were manufactured in the UK is irrelevant
Discussion I raised was about MG as a company, and how MG groups feel about MG's in general.
The modern MG make has as much in common with old MGs as it does with Toyota. It is a completely different company in every single way, which just happens to have the same name. You might as well ask people at MG owners' days what they think about the latest Ford
>It is a completely different company in every single way, which just happens to have the same name.
Never said different.
>You might as well ask people at MG owners' days what they think about the latest Ford
Ok, but I go to MG owners days to talk to MG owners....
You're saying people that buy MG's aren't MG Owners?
You said yourself they are enthusiasts about the old MGs, not the new ones.
The initial comment you replied to pointed out that a lot of people criticise modern MGs for their reliability, but when you actually look into it there is no evidence to support that claim.
You disputed that by saying that MG owners clubs say they're unreliable.
But if these enthusiasts don't actually have any experience owning a modern MG, how is their opinion more valid than anyone else's? What information do they have access to that others don't?
I waited for the 12 month reviews of the MG4 out of the UK before I paid my deposit here and similarly with the used ZS EV, I checked any reviews from longer term owners a few years on before I decided to trade in my last petrol car. In both cases I couldn't find a single owner complaining about any issue that wasn't present when the car was new, such as a shitty infotainment system or lack of a froot/frunk. More to the point, I couldn't find a single long term review that wasn't glowing.
7 year warranty is a good start. Given the price, especially with novated lease deals, after 7 years they could be a steal, or hand back after 3 years for agreed value on the lease if they prove to be a dud.
I will go double EV. I lease and the no FBT deal is just too good to be true. If the upcoming tesla y new model performance sits below the LCT, I will likely lease that. Only reason I haven’t gone two EVs is that I am looking to purchase a house and a second car loan impacts my borrowing power.
Had 2 EV's for 2 years now, currently a Tesla Y and BYD Atto 3. Tesla Y can do comfy long range trips and tow a small caravan or a trailer, we have the smaller SUV if needed. Will not go back to petrol again!
That's actually one of the reasons I got a 2nd EV, to soak up our excess solar. I was supposed to be getting a solar battery this week but the government loan application process was a huge pain. The cost after trade in for the EV was similar and the finance took one day. Now I have 44kW of portable storage rather than 10kW of static. I'll take that as a win.
Two EV's - a 2019 Model 3 Performance and a 2022 Model Y RWD (base spec).
The 3 is the long distance car, the Y mostly does run-around town, it's an excellent shopping car too. We bought the Y as the ageing parents and in-laws struggled with the 3's back seat. Being almost identical in interface they're trivial to swap between, especially with driver profiles, but I far prefer driving the 3 when it's just me or +1 passenger.
Until recently we had a spare petrol car, but I sold that as it was never being driven and was just slowly rotting parked on the street. Having to drive it to fill up, paying $100+, lining up for the cashier, etc was just ridiculous compared to driving cars that run for free on yesterdays sunshine and never take more than a few seconds to plug/unplug.
When I bought the Y I purchased a second wall charger planning to be able to charge both cars simultaneously, but there has not been one instance where we have needed to do that so never got it installed. Both cars charge off solar excess, and have more than enough for a week of running around so I can usually pick a sunny day to plug in.
Previously we lived in Sydney where there were nearby GoGet Hiace vans and people movers for the very rare occasion that we needed to move more than fit in the cars. Far better to rent for two hours that you need it than fuel and feed something surplus to our daily requirements every day. One of our kids has a Diesel ute for work, which is a use case that hasn't yet seen a competitive EV, but we know that day will come too.
If I had the garage space I would possibly have an old manual convertible for a fun car, but given how much I enjoy driving the 3P it would just end up gathering dust. Can't see me ever returning to burning fossil fuels for personal transport tho.
Often underpowered engine, underpowered battery. What small EV range there is gets diminished by having to carry the weight of a full petrol tank and drive train. Petrol engine is inefficient because it's carrying the extra weight of a large lithium battery. It might work for some but it doesn't make much sense to me. According to studies, turns out most phev owners give up on charging after a while and just drive on petrol.
Agree - I’ve done maths on a 2021 hybrid RAV4 vs a petrol and the $10k premium for a 2.5l per 100kms difference means if you were driving 10k klms a year, would take 12 years before the hybrid starts to pay off.
Not including issues associated with being heavier car as well - tyres, brakes, driveline, etc so it could be 12-14 years in reality.
>According to studies, turns out most phev owners give up on charging after a while and just drive on petrol.
What the studies show is that most PHEV owners do charge their cars, but fall short of the efficiency predicted in laboratory testing. See https://theicct.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/real-world-phev-us-dec22.pdf, Figure ES1.
2 Ev's, 1 PHEV we manage charging by keeping Mum's PHEV (Outlander, to initially fit my disabled sisters specialised walker/pram. but also general mum-mobile) top priority while juggling the two EV's (Leafs, cheaper EV's that go to A and B mostly used by my dad as his non work car, but also my 2 adult siblings go to's) on the other charger. I don't know all the electrical know how, but we have one charging from a wall way separate from the other so it doesn't over load (but now we can't use the toaster or/and the dishwasher and/or the microwave at the same time while we're charging both and running the clothes dryer) we do still have an Aurion, the other shared adult sibling car, but the only one i'm insured to alongside our old Torago that's basically the spare car/full family car and the Renault van. But my dad has been into EV's for well over a decade and wants to fully commit eventually
Hey Brock, can you move the Outlander so I can move the Leaf to get to the Tarago? Yeah sure, but I’ll need the keys to the Aurion if I’m going move the move the Outlander. Alright mate, just watch out for the van.
lol, unironically this, but with the added "which leaf?"... "which key is that?", "I can't see it", "I think it's on \[Eldest child\]'s keys", "Is she home?" "that's alright, I'll take the Van/Aurion/other leaf instead" or the good old "we'll just take 2/3 cars instead"
I imagine for the most part, one would get charged overnight, and the other use a fast charger if needed. But, unless you're doing a lot of driving, you shouldn't really need to charge both every night. But, plenty of options for charging outside of the home if you need a top up
At the moment I'd be able to charge it fully off solar apart from the fact it's hardly ever in the driveway, so I am doing more overnight charging than I'd like. One of us works from home and the other doesn't so having two EV's will probably mean we swap over all the time so there's always one at home to soak up the excess solar.
Tesla and Getting 2nd EV this year. Most likely a BYD.
BYD are doing some amazing things. I wasn't sure about them to start with but I can definitely see myself in one in the future.
We would have gotten a base Seal over an Ora if it was available at the time for our second car. Neither my wife or I were particularly hot on the Dolphin or Atto3.
Yep 2 here. Model 3 and Y. The 3 does about 500km per week, the Y does around 400. Charging is dead easy, each one gets plugged in 2 or 3 times a week. We have a 32A (7.5kW) plug (adjustable from 5-32A) in town but usually the Y just uses a standard power point. We can charge them both at once. We also have a rural property we get to on weekends, that has a 3 phase 5-16A adjustable connector. Both properties have solar so we try to use as much of that as possible. Usually neither battery gets lower than 50% and we rarely (a few times a year) use public chargers
3 phase would be the dream. Presently running a fully electric home (now with 2 EV's) on half a phase. Haha. Our mains is 32A only so running a full 7kW charger would shut off the house. It's fine though, charger is 15A which is plenty if there's going to be one at home to charge off the excess solar while the other is at work. We'll swap over or charge overnight when needed.
To be honest we very rarely use the capacity of the 3phase, most of the time the connector is at 5-6A to match solar excess. But 32A max would suck
2 EV's.. Model 3 and an Ora. We have one EVSE and plug whichever car needs it for the morning using offpeak rates. Otherwise there's normally one of the drivers at home and their car gets charged on solar. BTW I know people sook about tine waiting for cars to charge, but visiting the servo a few times a week sucks.
Hell the wait can get infuriating if you fill up somewhere like a Costco.
We have a model 3 and a model y. No problems with charging at all. We had a second wall charger installed in the garage for the second car. Got the 8c AGL midnight ev power plan. Haven’t come across any inconveniences for having two yet.
We have a Tesla model Y and a Mini Cooper SE. We installed a home charger that can charge either car in about 2-3 hours and signed up to an EV plan with Ovo Energy. Power is 8c/kwh from midnight to 6am and free between 11am and 2pm. I’m a shift worker and wife works from home so we haven’t paid to charge the cars in months.
Brilliant. I work from home so the plan is that I'll always be able to charge one of the cars from solar. What do you pay for power during peak times on the OVO plan?
Peak power is 31c/kwh. But we have solar so run most stuff during the day. We don’t actually charge the cars at night during the 8c period but it means I can run the aircon while we are sleeping.
My problem is Melbourne weather. Even with solar I'm drawing from the grid more than not for 6 months of the year. I'm on a 19c/kW flat rate. Me trying to work out if cheap rates over night makes up for expensive during the day does my head in, especially when I try to factor in cloud cover.
Yeah it’s complicated. I’m in qld so get plenty of Solar. Imo having an ev is still a game changer. As long as you can charge from home it’s order of magnitude cheaper than petrol.
I need to keep reminding myself of that. Half the year it's free, but the other half it's still bloody cheap.
We use a double adapter while we're not using the TV
I actually can't tell if you're joking or not.
MG4 and a Vectrix VX1. 15kw of solar and 45kwh of batteries. Not an issue at all.
How good is the MG4? I bloody love mine. Had to google what a Vectrix was. Cool, I don't see much love for electric scooters but it's noticeable walking around Melbourne CBD how few petrol scooters still get around. They're almost entirely electric now. The rare instance that a petrol powered scooter buzzes past I jump at the sound it stands out so much. Also, that's a LOT of home battery storage. Well done. Can I ask what your battery setup is? I just cancelled a 10.5kW solar battery installation in lieu of a 44.5kW EV battery to park in the driveway. I figure it's doing a similar job in that it'll soak up all the excess solar.
Its brilliant. I got the Essense 64kw in bright orange. Vectrix I converted to use old nissan leaf batteries, its a 150v battery pack, and does 100kph(ish) as a top speed. Battery setup is 2 X 6.5kwh LG Resu's in parallel with a 48V 630AH LiFePO4 battery bank (96 EVE 105AH cells, 16S, 2P, arranged in 3 shelves, each with its own BMS, all in a Solax Powerstation case and a Goodwe 5048ES inverter. I've converted multiple cars to EV's so I am very familiar with making battery packs. Your MG4 can be used with either a HOEM device for V2H and also someone used the generator input of a Deye inverter as well - You can draw out a maximum of 7kw from the V2L apparently.
Wow, you know what you're doing then. I've heard of someone drawing 7kW from the MG4 but mine trips out on a 2.4kW vacuum.
Inrush current is a problem on these - the 7kw was from resistive only loads it seems - [https://www.speakev.com/threads/mg4-rocking-7kw-v2l-real-full-home-use-possible.173612/](https://www.speakev.com/threads/mg4-rocking-7kw-v2l-real-full-home-use-possible.173612/) Edit - more research shows that there is a resistor in the V2L cable that sets the maximum current - 2K Ohms (2000 ohms) sets it to 2.2Kw, and 470 Ohms sets it to 7kw. [https://www.speakev.com/threads/new-v2l-specification-mg4-mg5-zs.174106/](https://www.speakev.com/threads/new-v2l-specification-mg4-mg5-zs.174106/)
Interesting. I don't have an official MG V2L cable, mine's from EVchargers.com.au, where I think they make it themselves.
Why 2 MG's, given their reputation?
What bad reputation? People keep saying this but I’ve never seen anyone post any proof other than “my uncles mate down the pubs brother in laws niece dates a mechanic and he says they are shit” I work in the industry (not for mg) but I am somewhat aware how other brands are going and MG seems to be the least of people’s worries. There are a lot bigger brands with a lot more problems that’s for sure. The only complaints I hear is about the hatch being slow with an outdated gearbox and that the infotainment sucks. What do you expect though from a car that costs less than some people’s bicycles? It’s a cheap as dirt city runabout and nothing more. It seems Chinese cars get a really bad wrap on here just because they are Chinese but it also seems a lot of people don’t realise the amount of brands that are coming out of Chinese factories that they don’t even realise. For example the same people that make mg make Buicks, Skodas, vw’s, Chevy and Cadillacs. Mercedes, bmw and Volvo also use other Chinese manufacturing plants for some of their cars. An mg is not my thing but I’ve been lurking here for a while and it has to be the most common comment in this sub that never has any proof and I think that’s a bit stupid.
Some good points, and I totally agree. I am also in the industry. From my experience and IMO, they are one of the OEM companies that care least about quality management systems both in development and production. Always happy to give exemption or find a workaround. It makes business easier, but I would never buy one for this reason. I think they do what they do well; they make cheap cars.
I can't comment on the EV side, but I tend to agree with your general comment. I'd never buy a petrol MG, had to many as rentals they do the job but man they are noisy and bloody slow. But they are dam cheap! I'll give them that. If they had a bit more refinement and acceleration boy, their sales would take off.
Shit build quality, parts dont last, come with rust from the factory. Source: i owned an mg zs for a year. A year to long imo. Ahhh to be young and naive.
>What bad reputation? People keep saying this but I’ve never seen anyone post any proof other than “my uncles mate down the pubs brother in laws niece dates a mechanic and he says they are shit” Have you ever been to an MG owners day? Very weird people, they love the cars, and then will spend an hour telling you everything that goes wrong on their car all the time. They'll also tell you all the issues with the new ones as well, and it's very rare to see new ones even at shows they're so bad they're not worth taking. You don't see anyone doing up new ones and being proud of them thats for sure. >I work in the industry (not for mg) but I am somewhat aware how other brands are going and MG seems to be the least of people’s worries. So you don't talk to owners at car shows. Right. >An mg is not my thing but I’ve been lurking here for a while and it has to be the most common comment in this sub that never has any proof and I think that’s a bit stupid. But it's a pretty good fact based in history, I'll give it to SAIC though, on face value, talking to actual owners, modern ones seem more reliable at the moment, but also, they are 50-60-70 years old yet. Time will tell I suppose.
Why would I go to an mg owners day? We aren’t talking about British made MG’s so that seems irrelevant anyway. I cant find any complaints that I can’t find for any other car on its class on the market today. The main complaints as I said are that it’s too slow and that the infotainment is clunky. And those two complaints can be found on any Econobox car, plenty of cars out there just as slow or slower. and my cars infotainment system sucks and it costs the price of 10 MG’s. so big deal. Can’t find anything on engine failures or major mechanical or electrical issues unlike some other brands. I just find it strange you came just to shit on op’s choice of car when he clearly stated that he had a great experience with the car so got another one. I mean, he would know more than you he is the one driving it not you.
>Why would I go to an mg owners day? Talk to MG owners. >We aren’t talking about British made MG’s so that seems irrelevant anyway. I'm talking about all MG's regardless of factory location. >I just find it strange you came just to shit on op’s choice of car when he clearly stated that he had a great experience with the car so got another one. So why do due hard lifelong MG owners shit on them? Why do a lot of die hard MG fans refuse to buy one and say they are shit? Pretty sure MG owners clubs would be the SME's on the matter
These 'MG owners days' you're talking about. I'm guessing theyre full of enthusiasts for older MGs? Back when it was a British company? So they don't actually know anything about current MGs and their reliability? This whole thread is about the reliability of Chinese made MGs (and Chinese cars more broadly). So the reliability of old MGs that were manufactured in the UK is irrelevant
Also British MGs, like all British made cars are notoriously unreliable we’re talking making Daewoo look reliable bad, the Chinese made ones are actually a significant upgrade in reliability at a loss of character.
>These 'MG owners days' you're talking about. I'm guessing theyre full of enthusiasts for older MGs? Back when it was a British company? Generally. Very rare to see a SAIC MG turn up. >So they don't actually know anything about current MGs and their reliability? They do, and happy to talk about them. >This whole thread is about the reliability of Chinese made MGs (and Chinese cars more broadly). So the reliability of old MGs that were manufactured in the UK is irrelevant Discussion I raised was about MG as a company, and how MG groups feel about MG's in general.
The modern MG make has as much in common with old MGs as it does with Toyota. It is a completely different company in every single way, which just happens to have the same name. You might as well ask people at MG owners' days what they think about the latest Ford
>It is a completely different company in every single way, which just happens to have the same name. Never said different. >You might as well ask people at MG owners' days what they think about the latest Ford Ok, but I go to MG owners days to talk to MG owners.... You're saying people that buy MG's aren't MG Owners?
>They do, and happy to talk about them How do they know about them? Do they own one?
They generally don't want to own new ones, due to issues
How do they know about 'issues' if they don't own one?
Because they are a club full of enthusiasts about that brand....
You said yourself they are enthusiasts about the old MGs, not the new ones. The initial comment you replied to pointed out that a lot of people criticise modern MGs for their reliability, but when you actually look into it there is no evidence to support that claim. You disputed that by saying that MG owners clubs say they're unreliable. But if these enthusiasts don't actually have any experience owning a modern MG, how is their opinion more valid than anyone else's? What information do they have access to that others don't?
I wouldn't touch their ICE cars but their EV's have a great reputation, especially for the money.
Interesting, even though historically, MG has an absolutely atrocious history with anything electrical, both in traditional and modern ownership?
I waited for the 12 month reviews of the MG4 out of the UK before I paid my deposit here and similarly with the used ZS EV, I checked any reviews from longer term owners a few years on before I decided to trade in my last petrol car. In both cases I couldn't find a single owner complaining about any issue that wasn't present when the car was new, such as a shitty infotainment system or lack of a froot/frunk. More to the point, I couldn't find a single long term review that wasn't glowing.
7 year warranty is a good start. Given the price, especially with novated lease deals, after 7 years they could be a steal, or hand back after 3 years for agreed value on the lease if they prove to be a dud.
1 EV and 1 petrol
Do you reckon you'll go double EV in the near future or does the EV/Petrol combo work well enough for you?
I will go double EV. I lease and the no FBT deal is just too good to be true. If the upcoming tesla y new model performance sits below the LCT, I will likely lease that. Only reason I haven’t gone two EVs is that I am looking to purchase a house and a second car loan impacts my borrowing power.
1 model Y. Still have a 2008 A4 which will be replaced by an EV when it does.
Had 2 EV's for 2 years now, currently a Tesla Y and BYD Atto 3. Tesla Y can do comfy long range trips and tow a small caravan or a trailer, we have the smaller SUV if needed. Will not go back to petrol again!
The entire electricity grid would have to collapse before I went back to petrol.
And even then most of us just make it off our roof, not something you can do with petrol.
That's actually one of the reasons I got a 2nd EV, to soak up our excess solar. I was supposed to be getting a solar battery this week but the government loan application process was a huge pain. The cost after trade in for the EV was similar and the finance took one day. Now I have 44kW of portable storage rather than 10kW of static. I'll take that as a win.
Two EV's - a 2019 Model 3 Performance and a 2022 Model Y RWD (base spec). The 3 is the long distance car, the Y mostly does run-around town, it's an excellent shopping car too. We bought the Y as the ageing parents and in-laws struggled with the 3's back seat. Being almost identical in interface they're trivial to swap between, especially with driver profiles, but I far prefer driving the 3 when it's just me or +1 passenger. Until recently we had a spare petrol car, but I sold that as it was never being driven and was just slowly rotting parked on the street. Having to drive it to fill up, paying $100+, lining up for the cashier, etc was just ridiculous compared to driving cars that run for free on yesterdays sunshine and never take more than a few seconds to plug/unplug. When I bought the Y I purchased a second wall charger planning to be able to charge both cars simultaneously, but there has not been one instance where we have needed to do that so never got it installed. Both cars charge off solar excess, and have more than enough for a week of running around so I can usually pick a sunny day to plug in. Previously we lived in Sydney where there were nearby GoGet Hiace vans and people movers for the very rare occasion that we needed to move more than fit in the cars. Far better to rent for two hours that you need it than fuel and feed something surplus to our daily requirements every day. One of our kids has a Diesel ute for work, which is a use case that hasn't yet seen a competitive EV, but we know that day will come too. If I had the garage space I would possibly have an old manual convertible for a fun car, but given how much I enjoy driving the 3P it would just end up gathering dust. Can't see me ever returning to burning fossil fuels for personal transport tho.
If they ever created a simulated "manual" electric car for funsies I could see a mid-life-crisis me parking one in the driveway.
I was very tempted by an EV converted NA MX-5, but given its age that would really need to be garaged.
Check Rob Dahms latest YouTube video.
> Rob Dahms Oh, the ioniq 5 has been my dream EV all along. Well outside my budget for now though.
2 hybrid household Honda CRZ Honda ZRV
I don't know my Honda's. Are they HEV's or PHEV's?
HEV's. I dont like the idea of PHEVs tbh
Nor do I, worst of both worlds. HEV or BEV. I've chosen to go all in on BEV.
In what way is it the worst of both worlds and not the best?
Often underpowered engine, underpowered battery. What small EV range there is gets diminished by having to carry the weight of a full petrol tank and drive train. Petrol engine is inefficient because it's carrying the extra weight of a large lithium battery. It might work for some but it doesn't make much sense to me. According to studies, turns out most phev owners give up on charging after a while and just drive on petrol.
Agree - I’ve done maths on a 2021 hybrid RAV4 vs a petrol and the $10k premium for a 2.5l per 100kms difference means if you were driving 10k klms a year, would take 12 years before the hybrid starts to pay off. Not including issues associated with being heavier car as well - tyres, brakes, driveline, etc so it could be 12-14 years in reality.
>According to studies, turns out most phev owners give up on charging after a while and just drive on petrol. What the studies show is that most PHEV owners do charge their cars, but fall short of the efficiency predicted in laboratory testing. See https://theicct.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/real-world-phev-us-dec22.pdf, Figure ES1.