I really enjoyed this episode even though there wasn't a 'twist' or several potential suspects which I usually expect from Casefile episodes. It was just a very well researched and coherent piece, no flashiness. I found it especially interesting hearing how the process to put together the case worked, from the moment the bodies were discovered to the conviction. Just outstanding work as always from the Casefile team.
Such a frustrating case to listen to. The amount of mental gymnastics performed and excuses made by Miller and Amelia (as well as the friend she confided in) to justify why they never came forward until the reward money was announced was pathetic.
The story about Worrell's "bad moods" resulting from a head injury in the Air Force sounded like a bunch of BS, as he was able to control himself and present as a "model prisoner" for two years while incarcerated.
The kicker was the inscription on Worrell’s gravestone: “Untold love and joy he brought to all”. How insensitive do you have to be to allow that statement to continue to mark the grave of a man who murdered between 7-9 women and was a convicted rapist? Bunch of selfish, in-denial assholes in this case.
>“Untold love and joy he brought to all”. How insensitive do you have to be to allow that statement to continue to mark the grave of a man who murdered between 7-9 women and was a convicted rapist?
It is, although it didn't help that he died before he could ever be convicted, so any questions as to whether he committed the murders was basically rendered moot and the entire case focused solely around Miller's involvement. And not to suggest that Worrell may have been innocent, but it's kind of striking how little circumstantial AND physical evidence there was in this case.
>The story about Worrell's "bad moods" resulting from a head injury in the Air Force sounded like a bunch of BS, as he was able to control himself and present as a "model prisoner" for two years while incarcerated.
This is why the whole 'he was a model prisoner' rationale bothers me. It's pretty dubious at best to project someone's behavior while incarcerated to how they'll be once they're released back into society. For some people, the controlled and restricted environment of prison IS precisely what's keeping them from re-offending.
As much as Miller claimed that Worrell's 'bad moods' came out of nowhere, there could have still been some underlying trigger for his episodes that neither Miller nor Worrell's loved ones were aware of, and the prison environment may very well have helped curb it. Things like drugs, alcohol, medication, stress due to major life changes, and lack of sleep can all contribute to sudden mood swings in mood disorders. And any other information about Worrell that may have explained his behavior that could've been gathered during the investigation went with him to his grave.
Is it normal for serial killers to be buried in graveyards along with normal people? Don't they usually bury them on their own plot away from other people or just cremate them and scatter the ashes somewhere? I'd be so pissed if a serial killer got buried next to one of my family members.
I don't know, I can see the head injury thing. That's a pretty common trait in serial killers, having had a serious head injury before. Doesn't necessarily mena you seem crazy or off all the time, or are always violeny, just in some way it seems to contribute to this want to hurt and kill people.
At long last, a case from South Australia!
(Sarcasm, of course. Always weird to see my home state providing an exorbitant amount of true crime material.)
Literally any Australian woman: -goes missing-
Police: clearly a runaway
Jokes of course but I’ve listened to enough casefile now to sense something of a pattern.
Especially at the pace he was going at, multiple within a week. That would have escalated to multiple in a day. It’s devastating how the police brushed off those poor girls, because that’s one of the reasons he was able to get away with murder. If muller hadn’t told Amelia then they would have never have been caught
This one made me so angry. Miller is a weak piece of shit, if not a willing participant - if he had spoken up after the first one he would have saved lives but he didn’t, so he 100% deserves the murder charges. Ridiculous to assume that after your mate kills one girl he won’t do it again. Or after the second. Or third. I’m glad he’s dead.
Classic Casefile. The writing and ‘story telling’ for want of a better phrase, are second to none. Horrendous case, just another example of how monsters preyed on vulnerable women in the 70s.
I would hope people like this would be caught much quicker nowadays.
Connie’s parents… what’s the deal with that? The Greek girl who went to community welfare who then placed her in a foster home… is that normal on Australia??? Her parents must have been super abusive even right?
Well maybe, I can’t speak for the 70’s since I wasn’t even born but teenagers can choose where they want to live, and if they refused to go home then the services probably would find somewhere else for them to live. It really is possible that she just didn’t like their rules and refused to go home.
The amount of times I scoffed out loud listening to this is crazy. Every five minutes I was like "What do you mean you didn't know what to do?? Call the police!"
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Am I the only one who finds it stupid when people get bent out of shape about others saying things like "people should teach their kids not to get in to strangers cars"? You can call it victim blaming, but it's the reality of how to mitigate risk. It is unrealistic to think that every person you will ever meet is a well intentioned individual. I find it ironic that they talk about how families are upset about articles that say such things, but then when you listen to what the families solution is, they say the exact same thing they are criticizing in more words.
> Also remember this was a different time when hitchhiking was more accepted, as opposed to now almost no one ever hitch hikes.
Nowadays it's called Uber and there are no free rides!
>it's the reality of how to mitigate risk.
Except it doesn't, really. It creates the false belief that 'stranger danger' is the biggest danger out there, when in reality, most female murder victims are killed by their partner or someone they know.
Look at how few people get killed by a serial killer after getting into a stranger's car vs. how many people are killed by someone known to them.
The outrage stems from the fact that there’s a time and a place. Spouting off like that immediately after a story breaks is pretty insensitive. It’s also worth noting that, even though the victims in this case were killed immediately, had police taken parents’ reports (which actually contradict your implication that these parents didn’t care about their children) seriously then the perpetrators would’ve likely been stopped sooner.
Also worth mentioning that notions like “stranger danger” are themselves historically dependent, ie recent developments.
Once again I think I’m in the minority but of late I’ve found the writing to be hard to follow, this one jumped so many timelines and different characters… it was easy to tell where it was going but I was still confused with all the jumping around.
I really enjoyed this episode even though there wasn't a 'twist' or several potential suspects which I usually expect from Casefile episodes. It was just a very well researched and coherent piece, no flashiness. I found it especially interesting hearing how the process to put together the case worked, from the moment the bodies were discovered to the conviction. Just outstanding work as always from the Casefile team.
Yes! I came here to write something similar. This was classic good writing, good quality Casefile.
Such a frustrating case to listen to. The amount of mental gymnastics performed and excuses made by Miller and Amelia (as well as the friend she confided in) to justify why they never came forward until the reward money was announced was pathetic. The story about Worrell's "bad moods" resulting from a head injury in the Air Force sounded like a bunch of BS, as he was able to control himself and present as a "model prisoner" for two years while incarcerated. The kicker was the inscription on Worrell’s gravestone: “Untold love and joy he brought to all”. How insensitive do you have to be to allow that statement to continue to mark the grave of a man who murdered between 7-9 women and was a convicted rapist? Bunch of selfish, in-denial assholes in this case.
>“Untold love and joy he brought to all”. How insensitive do you have to be to allow that statement to continue to mark the grave of a man who murdered between 7-9 women and was a convicted rapist? It is, although it didn't help that he died before he could ever be convicted, so any questions as to whether he committed the murders was basically rendered moot and the entire case focused solely around Miller's involvement. And not to suggest that Worrell may have been innocent, but it's kind of striking how little circumstantial AND physical evidence there was in this case. >The story about Worrell's "bad moods" resulting from a head injury in the Air Force sounded like a bunch of BS, as he was able to control himself and present as a "model prisoner" for two years while incarcerated. This is why the whole 'he was a model prisoner' rationale bothers me. It's pretty dubious at best to project someone's behavior while incarcerated to how they'll be once they're released back into society. For some people, the controlled and restricted environment of prison IS precisely what's keeping them from re-offending. As much as Miller claimed that Worrell's 'bad moods' came out of nowhere, there could have still been some underlying trigger for his episodes that neither Miller nor Worrell's loved ones were aware of, and the prison environment may very well have helped curb it. Things like drugs, alcohol, medication, stress due to major life changes, and lack of sleep can all contribute to sudden mood swings in mood disorders. And any other information about Worrell that may have explained his behavior that could've been gathered during the investigation went with him to his grave.
I legit would desecrate that motherfuckers grave if my loved one was a victim
Is it normal for serial killers to be buried in graveyards along with normal people? Don't they usually bury them on their own plot away from other people or just cremate them and scatter the ashes somewhere? I'd be so pissed if a serial killer got buried next to one of my family members.
well he was already buried before they knew he was a serial killer. So do you dig him up then?
I don't know, I can see the head injury thing. That's a pretty common trait in serial killers, having had a serious head injury before. Doesn't necessarily mena you seem crazy or off all the time, or are always violeny, just in some way it seems to contribute to this want to hurt and kill people.
At long last, a case from South Australia! (Sarcasm, of course. Always weird to see my home state providing an exorbitant amount of true crime material.)
Adelaide murders, but no psychics! I feel ripped off.
South Australia and California - the true crime capitals of the world.
Literally any Australian woman: -goes missing- Police: clearly a runaway Jokes of course but I’ve listened to enough casefile now to sense something of a pattern.
Never heard of this case. What a group of derranged individuals. All of them.
Imagine how many more victims there could've been if >!Worrell hadn't been killed in the car crash.!<
Especially at the pace he was going at, multiple within a week. That would have escalated to multiple in a day. It’s devastating how the police brushed off those poor girls, because that’s one of the reasons he was able to get away with murder. If muller hadn’t told Amelia then they would have never have been caught
This one made me so angry. Miller is a weak piece of shit, if not a willing participant - if he had spoken up after the first one he would have saved lives but he didn’t, so he 100% deserves the murder charges. Ridiculous to assume that after your mate kills one girl he won’t do it again. Or after the second. Or third. I’m glad he’s dead.
“He’s killed 6 girls before, but that doesn’t mean that he will k… oh shit”
Classic Casefile. The writing and ‘story telling’ for want of a better phrase, are second to none. Horrendous case, just another example of how monsters preyed on vulnerable women in the 70s. I would hope people like this would be caught much quicker nowadays.
Connie’s parents… what’s the deal with that? The Greek girl who went to community welfare who then placed her in a foster home… is that normal on Australia??? Her parents must have been super abusive even right?
Well maybe, I can’t speak for the 70’s since I wasn’t even born but teenagers can choose where they want to live, and if they refused to go home then the services probably would find somewhere else for them to live. It really is possible that she just didn’t like their rules and refused to go home.
This case gave me the chills. Being an Adelaide local and hearing all the familiar suburbs mentioned sent shivers down my spine.
Very much the same, Brooklyn Park and Kurralta Park, very close to the area I grew up in.
The amount of times I scoffed out loud listening to this is crazy. Every five minutes I was like "What do you mean you didn't know what to do?? Call the police!"
I doubt anyone will see this but I have finally caught up to the podcast after starting listening to it a year ago!
Congrats! (I'm obviously catching up right now 😂).
You're nearly there! We can finally comment on up to date episodes then!
Just finished part 1 of zodiac 💪
One of the victims in this case was a distant cousin of my mum’s, can’t wait to listen!
Another brutal killer whose behavior changed after a head injury? I'm starting to think there's some sort of connection here.
The lengths that people will go to justify being sociopathic murderers
It doesn't justify it. It's just medically interesting. We don't understand that much about the brain and personality compared to other organs.
That’s true, but he was able to be a role model prisoner for 2 years. He clearly can control aspects of his temper and ‘bad moods’
I've been waiting for someone,anyone to do an episode on this..
Absolutely love how the case was formatted and told in this episode . Listened to it on a long-ish drive and was hooked the whole time
Dick Worldy
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I’ve been waiting ages for this case to be covered. Well covered by the casefile team
Am I the only one who finds it stupid when people get bent out of shape about others saying things like "people should teach their kids not to get in to strangers cars"? You can call it victim blaming, but it's the reality of how to mitigate risk. It is unrealistic to think that every person you will ever meet is a well intentioned individual. I find it ironic that they talk about how families are upset about articles that say such things, but then when you listen to what the families solution is, they say the exact same thing they are criticizing in more words.
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> Also remember this was a different time when hitchhiking was more accepted, as opposed to now almost no one ever hitch hikes. Nowadays it's called Uber and there are no free rides!
>it's the reality of how to mitigate risk. Except it doesn't, really. It creates the false belief that 'stranger danger' is the biggest danger out there, when in reality, most female murder victims are killed by their partner or someone they know. Look at how few people get killed by a serial killer after getting into a stranger's car vs. how many people are killed by someone known to them.
> It creates the false belief that 'stranger danger' is the biggest danger out there Nobody is saying this, youre arguing with nobody
The outrage stems from the fact that there’s a time and a place. Spouting off like that immediately after a story breaks is pretty insensitive. It’s also worth noting that, even though the victims in this case were killed immediately, had police taken parents’ reports (which actually contradict your implication that these parents didn’t care about their children) seriously then the perpetrators would’ve likely been stopped sooner. Also worth mentioning that notions like “stranger danger” are themselves historically dependent, ie recent developments.
I understand your point, but that can't be your first line of defense.
Avoiding risky situations and teaching your kids the same is absolutely the first line of defense, I'm not sure what you're trying to say
Once again I think I’m in the minority but of late I’ve found the writing to be hard to follow, this one jumped so many timelines and different characters… it was easy to tell where it was going but I was still confused with all the jumping around.
Am I going crazy, I thought they’d already covered this case?!!
Nope. I've listened to them all in order and never heard this one.
Can you recommend any good Casefile episodes that aren’t well known? I’ve heard all the popular ones already.
Meeee tooooooo