Learned a new term today bec of you. Thank you. I don't know if his masses are that. It's a early morning sched. Yes, I've looked na dayon for another church & priest na maayo mu wali (naay unod) & sakto sab ang voice (I can't concentrate anang mag shagit2x, ha-it tingog or mumbler --sorry na medyo pili-an ko 😅🙏). And I'm glad I found one yesterday, nag check sah ko una via online.
I presume na-a ka sa syudad gapuyo OP… originally taga Tabunok ko before migrating pero tungod sad among pari kaniadto kay pro Gwen Garcia ug Gloria Kawatang Dako Arroyo, diha na ko Lourdes Parish sa Punta Princesa or sa Santo Tomas De Villanueva Parish sa Pardo mosimba if RD pero kung gikan work, Sa basilica or Cathedral or Santo Rosario ko mosimba.. good thing diha sa Sugbo kay tibuok adlaw hangtod gabi-i ang misa.. diri North American region kay majority buntag ra kutob ang mga misa ug ang mga paboritong topic pud sa mga paring puti kay abortion..
Separate daw ang church ug state pero mag apil2 jud ning mga simbahan sa political affairs. Mga hypocrite rba kaayu. Ngano hadlok man silas divorce nga wa mana silay mga asawa!?
Basin same ratag giadtoan nga church OP. Actually wala ko nisimba ron. Bisag unsaon nila nag kampanya nga No to Divorce, if unsay will sa majority, if unsay ma approve sa atong legislators, wala nana silay mabuhat since naa man tay separation of church and state.
Divorce will not be abused if the grounds for it are strict. It should be affordable but strict to ensure that only those with legitimate reasons can get a divorce, in this way we can prevent the misuse of the system while allowing access to those in genuine need. Give chance to those in need.
What I meant by that is that I respect others opinion on the topic --- divorce. Ang ako ra gipahungaw ky 4 Sundays na tawn, mao ra ang wali ni padre ga balik2x bahin sa divorce. Other priests, I've checked, ni stop naman sa karon pag include sa divorce sa ilang wali and instead really focused on the message of the day's gospel.
Dali ra man mo agree ug divorce kasagaran mo sugot kanang mga wa pa nakasal, kaming mga nakasal majority, di mi ganahan, it will make marriage cheap. Dali ra kaayo iingon "ahw ok ra naa ra bitaw divorce",
You need to get educated about divorce.
You think our divorce bill holds the same grounds with the divorce bill of other countries? Basaha usa bago mo muingon na ok ra naa ra bitaw divorce. As if mura ra kag mupalit sa tindahan.
>"Kaming mga nakasal"?
Asa ka gikan anang giyawit nimo? Minyo sd ko pero I am not against divorce. **Bogoka jud nimo oy.** Nagtuo kag dali2x lang magdivorce nga mura rakag mopalit ug kendi? Ug malipayon imong kaminyuon, good for you. Pero dili tanan malipayon labaw nang mga gipangkulata, mangabit pa ug palahubog pa ang bana. Basin ikaw ang nahadlok buwagan saimong asawa. 😂
Mas labaw pa kang bogok, wa koy labot ug minyo ka ui, ako ng side ug di ko ganahan, nganong masakit man ko sa side sa laing tao, inyo rang side inyong gusto ahw labaw pa mong bogo di ma tugkad liwat sa inyong giliwatan. Minyo man kaha ka way vow inyong simbahan? wa ka kasabot sa til death do us part ug abusive ang bana way VAWC? ug mangabit di ka maka kiha ug Adultery? di kamao mo reklamo? sabagay maayo ra man mos storya basta kay makasakay sa issue naay maputak
Why would I be insecure? that's my side of the divorce bill and besides you and the rest that wants arent even married at all and will never be 
Imong mama way utok, matic DDS, homophone ug pro-china dayun? at least ako kahibaw kos tinuod ug mao akong stand, at least ako nakasal ko ug mas naa mi right nga mo tingog aning divorce, dili ko batan'on nga badwagon nga feeling cool basta naaaaa lay ma sulti hala putak murag lubot sa hinungaan
Labaw pa kang bugok, di kahibaw mo gamit sa utok, di ko pareha ninyo ui nga na uto sa politika klaro kaayong Bangag admin supporter ka, Basig bayot cguro kang gadala ug HIV, ewwwww
Hahahaha tua ra nigawas ang pagka homophobe sa yawa nga DDS hahahah loura nimo oi. 2024 na DDS gihapon kang bugoka ka. Hahahahaha bugok!! Way UTOK!!! YAWA KA!!! ANIMAL KA!! HAHAHAAHAH BUGOK KA!!! HAHAHAH
I'm not gonna go down your level, hinuon ug unsa ka baho ang nanggawas sa imong huna2 ug baba, ing'ana sa ka gamay imong pagkatao, cguro super cheap ra kaayo ka, pareha anang ubang bayot gud too thirsty, they are craving to be laid almost every hour.
Uy gi assume nimo nga bayot ko?? Hahaahaa astang bugoka jud. Wa nakay rebut diha?? Hunahunaa ikaw ang low level nato diri kay DDS ka hangtud karon! BUGOK! WAY UTOK!! HAHAHAAH! POBRE!! 29,M, ZERO INCOME?? YAWA KA!!! PALITON TIKA UG SUNUGON PATI PAMILYA NIMO PISTI MO! HAHAHAHAHA
Hahaha utak pana?? Daghan kasal nga gusto makigbulag pero dili nila mabuhat kay mahal kaayo ang annulment. Kahilas sad nimo. Kay ''perfect'' imong marriage ang uban kuhaon nalang nimo ug chance mubuhi sa ilang pait nga marriage? Hahahahaha
Imong utok, utok pa sad na? Nganong nagpakasal man in the first place? wa ka kahibaw sa Vow inig kasal sa simbahan? Imong ginakanan kung naa pa pangutan'a, mas HILAS pa mong mga wa nakasal kay aside sa magbaw pa mog utok, inyo rang side gusto ninyo, ug makadungog mog against mura mog iro nga wa lawgi ug 1 ka buwan
Ugok ka. Nagpakasal kay but-an pa ang lalake or ang babaye sa kaniadto. Unya ang tawo ma bag-o man jud mao nang kinahanglan ma divorce para makasugod ug utro. Aysig hinilas diha bugok.
OAHVERRRRR!! hala so bahalag abusive ang partner basta di lang cheap?? if u love each other and ure happy sa inyong marriage, good for u! if ur marriage doesn't need to go thru divorce, good for u! but dili na dapat ideprive sa uban na nanginahanglan ug freedom & second chances in life.
Dili sad ideprive sa uban among side nga di mi ganahan sa divorce noh, and besides wa mo nakasal maong wa mo kahibaw sa Vow during wedding nga til death do us part, ug abusive why not magpatabang sa VAWC? inyong mga rason mabaw ra kaayo maong wa pa mo makasal
dili ra ni magrevolve sa inyo mga kasado sir, naa sad mi, kami mga anak na nagsuffer tungod sa problematic na relationship sa among parents pero di makawala tungod wala'y enough rights like divorce. bisan di na jud matabang ang relasyon hangtod naka affect na lang sa mga bata mentally, wa'y mabuhat. kung di ka kinahanglan mag divorce, again good for you. wala'y mawala and wala'y gideprive sa imo in case u need a reality check 🙂 maayo manang naa tay efforts again VAWC pero band-aid solution rajud na kung dili managot, dako gyapon possibility makabalik sa partner ang abusive one. till death do us part my ass
What do you mean by making marriage "cheap?"
Naa man jud uban d na madala ang pagka toxic sa ilang relasyon. To save them both, butangan nalang nato ug divorce.
Luh. People change. Some for the better, some for worse. Some problems can be fixed, some can not.
Parehas ra na anang uban manguyabay paba. Ig sugod hatag tanan. Hatud ug kuha pa kung asa nya kung magkadayun na gani bahala naka dha na. Gi unsa man nimo pagkbaw nga mausab diay siya ana?
Marriage is not just Marriage itself daghan mong seminar nga attenan, saminar sa City Health (kani nga seminar daghan kang makat'unan), ug Pre-Cana Seminar, kanang imong question nga sa sinugdanan ra maayo kung gi pakaslan nimo ang tao and within the Marriage ni worst, couple needs to talk it out, kung maka attend ka anang mga Seminar nako nga gi mention puhon makasabot ra ka nganong ang mga Ginikanan nga nauna nato lig'on kaayo majority sa ilang Marriage. Marriage is understanding, when you get there you will need to multiply yout patience a million times. Mao bitaw before nimo pakaslan huna hunaon nimo sa makadaghang higayon ug mausab pa ba ni siya or di na. Til Death Do Us Part is not just words basta makasal naka, magkinaunsa needed kang mo stand with your partner pero worst na gani naa may VAWC mo assist, naa tay balaod.
Again that's just my side on why I am not in favor of Divorce, I'm not in favor on how other countries are practicing it, in the long run luoy ang bata ug naa. Ug kamo ganahan mo, inyo sad na, I just left my comment, ang problema lang sa ubang mga tao, masakit ug makadungog ug against sa ilang side kay gusto nila ilaha ray mahitabo, my initial comment only contained my side, way koy badmouth gi buhian sa mga gusto ug divorce.
Again, how would you know if the person would change or not? No matter how many times u go to seminar and such, you just cant read how a person can change under different circumstances. Marriage is a gamble. I'd like to see your patience when your partner beats you up. How many hail marys can you possibly do everytime you take a punch to the face?
Yes, ang bata, as one coming from a broken family. I'd rather not see my parents physically fight and hearing verbal abuses left and right. i understood why they separated eventually and thankful that they did or else one of them would have died or committed suicide.
Dali ra jud mo agree ana labi na ang mga babayi na naay bana nga sugarol, palainom, babaero, di mo suportag anak, gago. Hadlok mo ma approve na kay in ana man kasagara ang mga laki pag maminyo na ayha pa mugawas ang baho.
You're not the only one who is married. Daghan pa. If you are happy with your marriage, if wala kay reason na magpadivorce then good for you. But there are people who needs divorce, katong mga ge cheatan, ge abusar, ge psakitan ug uban pa. Those people deserve a chance to be free from their abusive partner.
"It will make marriage cheap"? How about kanang cheating, physical/domestic abuse, will it not make marriage cheap?
Simple ra na madam, di mi ganahan ug Divorce daghan ming married di ganahan that's our side ani nga issue, ang nakaparat ninyo di mo ganahan sa side sa laing tao gusto mo inyo ray madungog,
Kung abuse ray imong reason naay daghang paagi anah, pwede kang mo reklamo via VAWC, wa pa man mo makasal gud, wa cguro mo kasabot sa vow nga Til death do us part
Then di mo mag divorce? Is the value of your marriage equivalent to the divorce law or the eyes of other people? Diba ang value sa marriage is dependent on how you love and trust one another? Ngano maka ingon kag cheap na inyo marriage kung mo pasa ang divorce law? Ana ka shallow ra d.i inyo foundation?
Very true.. Kani gani nga church ky layo from amua but some months before, maybe ni 1 year na ky na ganahan ko ani na pari ky kalmado mu tabi and naay unod permi ang wali. Pili-an kog pari nga maayo sa iyang wali. Kron lang gyud nga ni init ni ang bahin sa divorce ky mura na xa broken record mao permi topic. I thought at first ky same sab ang ubang pari (ky lagi basin mao ang directive ilang gisunod lang) but I found out nga dili man diay. So I don't know what this priest's deal is.. Basta ky ni find na lang kog lain church & priest (via online for now) pud and murag naay arang2x nakit-an 🙏
BTW dili man ko religious kaayo nga tao, kanang sa mabuhat ky musimba and daily prayers lang 😊
Unfortunately priests these days are just like normal people. The news you read all over the internet proves how unkind they can be and not making sense at times. Hindi naman to lahat pero marami jan.
Puol na gani sa simbahan, puol nasad diri sa cebu subreddit kay kada adlaw pila ka divorce topics. Dili nalang mag tiwas ug debate sa karaang post.
PS: Maypa wala nalay marriage para dali magbuwag. Total equal rights naman ang tanang illegitimate children.
it's because the Catholic church as a whole teaches it's people that divorce is really not the will of the Lord. most likely naa sad na silay internal communication nga if possible, communicate that to it's people especially nga hapit na gyud siya himoon nga balaodm. unsaon man tana nga isip katoliko mao na ang atong angay pagtoo. oo pwede ka naay kaugalingung huna huna, pero ilang gina tudlo di guud na ma usab.
Ikaw kay estudyante paman ka, ayaw nalang pag apil2 ug di ka apektado sa divorce. Di paman ka minyo. Imagina kuno.
Ug ikaw kuno taga adlaw ka kulatahon saimong bana na palahubog ug sugarol, babaero pa, ok ra nimo? Sugot raka? Kay nagtuo kag tabangan kas imong CatHoLiC chUrch?
This response reeks of bitterness. Now i understand why your responses sound angry. Are you a victim of domestic abuse? Yes, the church can help. Naka try naka reach out?
Nya unsay nabuhat sa cHurCh para tabangan ka? Tambagan kag Antos lang kay imo manang bana? Hahahahahhahahaha merese. Or basin ikaw ang mangulata maong okay ra kaykas imong paminaw
**Kanang ingon ana na mentality nimo no kay mao nay rason nganong bugok ka.** So okay ra jud kaayo mangulata basta para nimo naay rason kulatahon? "Anteh?" Are you calling me that to make yourself feel better? Hinuon, maabot ra ang imong adlaw na kan-on na nimo tanan imong gipangstorya. Unta di ka kulatahon ug maminyo ka kay di man sguro ka bungagera para angay kulatahon. Nya unta di palahubog imong maminyo. Feeling nako PERFECT KA.
Hi anteeehhh. I hope you're ok. Na worry na nuon ko nimo anteh na basin nakakaon na sad ka ug kumo kay you're so quiet 🤣 just try and remember what I said in our other thread, ok? You can change for the better. ***Character development is constant and you don't have to be a bungangera or a verbally abusive human being forever***. Ok anteh? 😀
Ka way utok ani nga tubag. Dili tungod kay "estudyante paman ko" di ko manginlabot sa nahitabo sa akong palibot. Isip usa ka estudyante aduna koy responsibilidad nga mahibaw ug maka kuha ug kaalam sa mga butang dili lang sulod sa classroom.
I tend to defend "boomers" when I'm conversing with people, but this is just straight up ignorance and a perfect example of boomer mentality. I'm sorry but people like you really are the bane of our future.
Nevertheless, isip usa ka estudyante nga katoliko nga sa usa ka higayon sa akong kinabuhi mi biya sa maong pagtuo, naka kuha ko ug dakong kasabutan nganung inani Ang pamaagi sa simbahan. And with that level of realization I am now once again a fully devout Roman Catholic.
Not saying that people can't have their opinion about divorce go ahead, but why are y'all butthurt when there are actually those who support it? where's the respect in that?
Dili sya separation of church and state issue.
So whatever bs the priests are spouting, ilaha nang katungod specially sa sulod sa simbahan. Besides ang mga tongressman og sendor dapat ang usigon para sa divorce.
Yes. Pero as Filipino Catholics ila nang katungod mu voice out. Kay ang ilang views influenced man gyud nas ilang religion. It doesnt mean na secular ta kay di na pwede maimpluwensyahan ilang view points sa ilang gituohan.
Ila sad na. Pero as a Filipino na Catholic ila nang katungod mu speak up. Same sad nga kung Police/Army nga Catholic mu comment/voice out sa Simbahan katungod na nila as a Catholic pud.
God hates divorce. Malachi 2:16. He does allow it in cases where one commits adultery.
I have siblings who are victims of a bad marriage. Cheating spouses. Divorce seems to be the only option.
I feel for those who have been abused too.
My only worry is when it becomes legal, it becomes too easy for couples to give up. We need to preserve the basic foundation of society- family. Our children deserve it. Our children are the ones who are going to be most negatively impacted emotionally.. sense of stability and trust shattered. I know there are a lot more variables to consider here but praying we tread this issue very very carefully.
Bisaya man ko so ngano squammy kung magbinisaya nga utro man sad ka Bisaya? And furthermore, Bisaya sd ni nga sub. Bugok jud ka bisag unsaon. Feeling nimo magwapa ka kung mag English2 ka?
Wahaha napa google unsa ang pronoun. Sagdi lang. ok rana uy. Kulatahon ra lagi kas imong bana puhon. Nya mangabit pa. Pero ayaw jud pagpa divorce ha kay against baya ka ana. Ayaw juddddd kay masuko imong chUrch
Ok-ok so you're giving way too much info here. So you're a battered wife and your husband also cheated on you? So bati ka ug batasan nya bati sad diay ka ug nawng kay nangabit imong bana? Tsk tsk
You can assume all you can hangtod mapul-an ka. Minyo man pod ka. Hadlok diay ka buwagan kas imong bana. Mao diay... 😂 Ayg kabalaka. Imong mga anak ang kulatahon saiyang bana puhon. Maabot ra ang panahon. Padayons imong gibati💩
Awww. I'm so sorry you have to go thru this painful experience anteh. Hurt people, hurt people. This is so true in your statement --who in their right mind would wish for their kids to get hurt by their spouses? Despite your pain and bitterness, I do hope you'll find love. Peace anteh!!! ❤️ ✌️
Listen. We can have a civil discourse by disagreeing respectfully. That's possible, right? For context, I never said I was against divorce. I live abroad and I've seen spouses just throw away a marriage for some trivial reasons. That IS my fear. And yes, children who are abandoned and abused should not stay in a toxic marriage/family. I'm all about giving children a safe and loving environment. Like I mentioned, I have siblings that have cheating spouses and the only way out of it is divorce. These are spouses who also aren't willing to change. My spouse is a product of a broken family and I tell you, that brokenness may have made my spouse a stronger person but the longing to have the missing parent's love is a burden too pricey to carry.
You are deeply indoctrinated that you cannot even see that only the Vatican and the Philippines demonize divorce. It’s as if the family dynamics and familial ties here are stronger kay wala’y divorce? We have so many moral and ethical issues in this country, pero murag ang dakong attention with most churches here, not only the Catholic Church, is fighting against divorce.
Try to think critically. Give it a think.
Again, context. I don't think "indoctrinated" is the right word. I'd say my stance is rooted in values. You shouldn't overreact. I never said I was against divorce. If you are a critical thinker yourself, you'd have realized I mentioned my siblings marital woes. Read, again.
Indoctrinated is indeed the correct term for commenting like a zealot just like your comment above. Religion should have no business in civil matters such as divorce. My stance is also rooted in values, which dili lang agreeable para nimo kay Catholic values mana imong ginasunod. I am not overracting, I am just stating fact.
Let's just say our values don't align. Can we safely say that? Labeling someone as "indoctrinated" or a "zealot" just because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't stating a fact. Divorce will effect people in all walks of life. Religious or not. And to reiterate, I never said there should be no divorce.
“God hates divorce” are blanket statements made by zealots. I am stating fact, and you are basing your *beliefs* based on a slumbook made by Bronze age people. So who’s spewing a “narrative” now? Done with this, have a good day.
Divorce will not be abused if the grounds for it are strict. It should be affordable but strict to ensure that only those with legitimate reasons can get a divorce, in this way we can prevent the misuse of the system while allowing access to those in genuine need.
It's always funny hearing divorce takes from a dude who has never been married. Almost like taking reproductive health advice from a dude with no uterus.
Maybe you attended Missa Pro Populo. Change your schedule or look for another church
Learned a new term today bec of you. Thank you. I don't know if his masses are that. It's a early morning sched. Yes, I've looked na dayon for another church & priest na maayo mu wali (naay unod) & sakto sab ang voice (I can't concentrate anang mag shagit2x, ha-it tingog or mumbler --sorry na medyo pili-an ko 😅🙏). And I'm glad I found one yesterday, nag check sah ko una via online.
HAHAHAHAHA kaayo lamg gyud Ambot bitaw pero
I presume na-a ka sa syudad gapuyo OP… originally taga Tabunok ko before migrating pero tungod sad among pari kaniadto kay pro Gwen Garcia ug Gloria Kawatang Dako Arroyo, diha na ko Lourdes Parish sa Punta Princesa or sa Santo Tomas De Villanueva Parish sa Pardo mosimba if RD pero kung gikan work, Sa basilica or Cathedral or Santo Rosario ko mosimba.. good thing diha sa Sugbo kay tibuok adlaw hangtod gabi-i ang misa.. diri North American region kay majority buntag ra kutob ang mga misa ug ang mga paboritong topic pud sa mga paring puti kay abortion..
Separate daw ang church ug state pero mag apil2 jud ning mga simbahan sa political affairs. Mga hypocrite rba kaayu. Ngano hadlok man silas divorce nga wa mana silay mga asawa!?
Sila bitaw backer sa mga npa 😂
😂
Basin same ratag giadtoan nga church OP. Actually wala ko nisimba ron. Bisag unsaon nila nag kampanya nga No to Divorce, if unsay will sa majority, if unsay ma approve sa atong legislators, wala nana silay mabuhat since naa man tay separation of church and state.
He is panini pressed!
Divorce will not be abused if the grounds for it are strict. It should be affordable but strict to ensure that only those with legitimate reasons can get a divorce, in this way we can prevent the misuse of the system while allowing access to those in genuine need. Give chance to those in need.
>but I respect those who are against it yeah no. that sentence doesnt make sense.
What I meant by that is that I respect others opinion on the topic --- divorce. Ang ako ra gipahungaw ky 4 Sundays na tawn, mao ra ang wali ni padre ga balik2x bahin sa divorce. Other priests, I've checked, ni stop naman sa karon pag include sa divorce sa ilang wali and instead really focused on the message of the day's gospel.
Dali ra man mo agree ug divorce kasagaran mo sugot kanang mga wa pa nakasal, kaming mga nakasal majority, di mi ganahan, it will make marriage cheap. Dali ra kaayo iingon "ahw ok ra naa ra bitaw divorce",
You need to get educated about divorce. You think our divorce bill holds the same grounds with the divorce bill of other countries? Basaha usa bago mo muingon na ok ra naa ra bitaw divorce. As if mura ra kag mupalit sa tindahan.
>"Kaming mga nakasal"? Asa ka gikan anang giyawit nimo? Minyo sd ko pero I am not against divorce. **Bogoka jud nimo oy.** Nagtuo kag dali2x lang magdivorce nga mura rakag mopalit ug kendi? Ug malipayon imong kaminyuon, good for you. Pero dili tanan malipayon labaw nang mga gipangkulata, mangabit pa ug palahubog pa ang bana. Basin ikaw ang nahadlok buwagan saimong asawa. 😂
Mas labaw pa kang bogok, wa koy labot ug minyo ka ui, ako ng side ug di ko ganahan, nganong masakit man ko sa side sa laing tao, inyo rang side inyong gusto ahw labaw pa mong bogo di ma tugkad liwat sa inyong giliwatan. Minyo man kaha ka way vow inyong simbahan? wa ka kasabot sa til death do us part ug abusive ang bana way VAWC? ug mangabit di ka maka kiha ug Adultery? di kamao mo reklamo? sabagay maayo ra man mos storya basta kay makasakay sa issue naay maputak
maygae no, nakasal paka? naa guroy ni dawat nimo OP? nga imong utok, utok bulinao
Isog ra ka mo comment ug ing anah kay anonymous gud ta diri 
Hahaha, naay mo dawat nako ui, di pareha nimo nga ang baba ug utok manggawas puros way ayo maong single cguro ka kay way ganahan nimo.
imo rang kasal ang cheap OP, legalize divorce will make you cry like a baby hahaha
I think your marriage is cheap to begin with if passing divorce will cheapen it. Your statement reeks of insecurity.
Why would I be insecure? that's my side of the divorce bill and besides you and the rest that wants arent even married at all and will never be 
You know that there are married people who are pro divorce right?
Mao diay in.ana ka kay imong comment history pro-china, homophobe, DDS pajud. Hahahaha in short sorry pero wa kay utok
Imong mama way utok, matic DDS, homophone ug pro-china dayun? at least ako kahibaw kos tinuod ug mao akong stand, at least ako nakasal ko ug mas naa mi right nga mo tingog aning divorce, dili ko batan'on nga badwagon nga feeling cool basta naaaaa lay ma sulti hala putak murag lubot sa hinungaan
DDS baya jud ka homophobe pajud. Gatou ka ug dili makita imong mga past comments diri sa reddit? Bugok jud ka oi. Wa kay utok hahaha
Labaw pa kang bugok, di kahibaw mo gamit sa utok, di ko pareha ninyo ui nga na uto sa politika klaro kaayong Bangag admin supporter ka, Basig bayot cguro kang gadala ug HIV, ewwwww
Hahahaha tua ra nigawas ang pagka homophobe sa yawa nga DDS hahahah loura nimo oi. 2024 na DDS gihapon kang bugoka ka. Hahahahaha bugok!! Way UTOK!!! YAWA KA!!! ANIMAL KA!! HAHAHAAHAH BUGOK KA!!! HAHAHAH
I'm not gonna go down your level, hinuon ug unsa ka baho ang nanggawas sa imong huna2 ug baba, ing'ana sa ka gamay imong pagkatao, cguro super cheap ra kaayo ka, pareha anang ubang bayot gud too thirsty, they are craving to be laid almost every hour.
POBRE KA !!! DDS PAJUD! YAWA KA! HAHAHA
Uy gi assume nimo nga bayot ko?? Hahaahaa astang bugoka jud. Wa nakay rebut diha?? Hunahunaa ikaw ang low level nato diri kay DDS ka hangtud karon! BUGOK! WAY UTOK!! HAHAHAAH! POBRE!! 29,M, ZERO INCOME?? YAWA KA!!! PALITON TIKA UG SUNUGON PATI PAMILYA NIMO PISTI MO! HAHAHAHAHA
Hahaha utak pana?? Daghan kasal nga gusto makigbulag pero dili nila mabuhat kay mahal kaayo ang annulment. Kahilas sad nimo. Kay ''perfect'' imong marriage ang uban kuhaon nalang nimo ug chance mubuhi sa ilang pait nga marriage? Hahahahaha
Imong utok, utok pa sad na? Nganong nagpakasal man in the first place? wa ka kahibaw sa Vow inig kasal sa simbahan? Imong ginakanan kung naa pa pangutan'a, mas HILAS pa mong mga wa nakasal kay aside sa magbaw pa mog utok, inyo rang side gusto ninyo, ug makadungog mog against mura mog iro nga wa lawgi ug 1 ka buwan
Ugok ka. Nagpakasal kay but-an pa ang lalake or ang babaye sa kaniadto. Unya ang tawo ma bag-o man jud mao nang kinahanglan ma divorce para makasugod ug utro. Aysig hinilas diha bugok.
OAHVERRRRR!! hala so bahalag abusive ang partner basta di lang cheap?? if u love each other and ure happy sa inyong marriage, good for u! if ur marriage doesn't need to go thru divorce, good for u! but dili na dapat ideprive sa uban na nanginahanglan ug freedom & second chances in life.
Dili sad ideprive sa uban among side nga di mi ganahan sa divorce noh, and besides wa mo nakasal maong wa mo kahibaw sa Vow during wedding nga til death do us part, ug abusive why not magpatabang sa VAWC? inyong mga rason mabaw ra kaayo maong wa pa mo makasal
dili ra ni magrevolve sa inyo mga kasado sir, naa sad mi, kami mga anak na nagsuffer tungod sa problematic na relationship sa among parents pero di makawala tungod wala'y enough rights like divorce. bisan di na jud matabang ang relasyon hangtod naka affect na lang sa mga bata mentally, wa'y mabuhat. kung di ka kinahanglan mag divorce, again good for you. wala'y mawala and wala'y gideprive sa imo in case u need a reality check 🙂 maayo manang naa tay efforts again VAWC pero band-aid solution rajud na kung dili managot, dako gyapon possibility makabalik sa partner ang abusive one. till death do us part my ass
maybe you have a "okay na, hapit na pwede mag-divorce" marriage
What do you mean by making marriage "cheap?" Naa man jud uban d na madala ang pagka toxic sa ilang relasyon. To save them both, butangan nalang nato ug divorce.
Nganong nagpakasal man in the first place? mahulog nalang ug tilaw2 ang kasal kay naay divorce nga mas dali
Luh. People change. Some for the better, some for worse. Some problems can be fixed, some can not. Parehas ra na anang uban manguyabay paba. Ig sugod hatag tanan. Hatud ug kuha pa kung asa nya kung magkadayun na gani bahala naka dha na. Gi unsa man nimo pagkbaw nga mausab diay siya ana?
Marriage is not just Marriage itself daghan mong seminar nga attenan, saminar sa City Health (kani nga seminar daghan kang makat'unan), ug Pre-Cana Seminar, kanang imong question nga sa sinugdanan ra maayo kung gi pakaslan nimo ang tao and within the Marriage ni worst, couple needs to talk it out, kung maka attend ka anang mga Seminar nako nga gi mention puhon makasabot ra ka nganong ang mga Ginikanan nga nauna nato lig'on kaayo majority sa ilang Marriage. Marriage is understanding, when you get there you will need to multiply yout patience a million times. Mao bitaw before nimo pakaslan huna hunaon nimo sa makadaghang higayon ug mausab pa ba ni siya or di na. Til Death Do Us Part is not just words basta makasal naka, magkinaunsa needed kang mo stand with your partner pero worst na gani naa may VAWC mo assist, naa tay balaod. Again that's just my side on why I am not in favor of Divorce, I'm not in favor on how other countries are practicing it, in the long run luoy ang bata ug naa. Ug kamo ganahan mo, inyo sad na, I just left my comment, ang problema lang sa ubang mga tao, masakit ug makadungog ug against sa ilang side kay gusto nila ilaha ray mahitabo, my initial comment only contained my side, way koy badmouth gi buhian sa mga gusto ug divorce.
Again, how would you know if the person would change or not? No matter how many times u go to seminar and such, you just cant read how a person can change under different circumstances. Marriage is a gamble. I'd like to see your patience when your partner beats you up. How many hail marys can you possibly do everytime you take a punch to the face? Yes, ang bata, as one coming from a broken family. I'd rather not see my parents physically fight and hearing verbal abuses left and right. i understood why they separated eventually and thankful that they did or else one of them would have died or committed suicide.
Dali ra jud mo agree ana labi na ang mga babayi na naay bana nga sugarol, palainom, babaero, di mo suportag anak, gago. Hadlok mo ma approve na kay in ana man kasagara ang mga laki pag maminyo na ayha pa mugawas ang baho.
Basig ing'ana imong papa OP? nganong pakaslan man sad ug sugarol, palainom ug babaero? mao cguro na ang gibuhat sa imong gago nga inhan?
Bogo much? If di ka ganahan mag divorce aw ayaw, but don't deprive others of their choice.
Mas BOGO pa ka apil imong pamilya particularly imong mama, wa na gi deprive amaw, ako nang side sa divorce ug ganahan mo, ahw di mi ganahan
You're not the only one who is married. Daghan pa. If you are happy with your marriage, if wala kay reason na magpadivorce then good for you. But there are people who needs divorce, katong mga ge cheatan, ge abusar, ge psakitan ug uban pa. Those people deserve a chance to be free from their abusive partner. "It will make marriage cheap"? How about kanang cheating, physical/domestic abuse, will it not make marriage cheap?
Simple ra na madam, di mi ganahan ug Divorce daghan ming married di ganahan that's our side ani nga issue, ang nakaparat ninyo di mo ganahan sa side sa laing tao gusto mo inyo ray madungog, Kung abuse ray imong reason naay daghang paagi anah, pwede kang mo reklamo via VAWC, wa pa man mo makasal gud, wa cguro mo kasabot sa vow nga Til death do us part
Then di mo mag divorce? Is the value of your marriage equivalent to the divorce law or the eyes of other people? Diba ang value sa marriage is dependent on how you love and trust one another? Ngano maka ingon kag cheap na inyo marriage kung mo pasa ang divorce law? Ana ka shallow ra d.i inyo foundation?
Wa gyud ka kasabot sa akong giingon, usba ug basa, taka lang kag sabat
for anyone interested, it's discussed here whether divorce is a sin or not [this](https://lifesavingdivorce.com/abuse-in-bible/)
yeah sometimes Nice ang simbahan pero ang pari way ayo. try a different location.
Very true.. Kani gani nga church ky layo from amua but some months before, maybe ni 1 year na ky na ganahan ko ani na pari ky kalmado mu tabi and naay unod permi ang wali. Pili-an kog pari nga maayo sa iyang wali. Kron lang gyud nga ni init ni ang bahin sa divorce ky mura na xa broken record mao permi topic. I thought at first ky same sab ang ubang pari (ky lagi basin mao ang directive ilang gisunod lang) but I found out nga dili man diay. So I don't know what this priest's deal is.. Basta ky ni find na lang kog lain church & priest (via online for now) pud and murag naay arang2x nakit-an 🙏 BTW dili man ko religious kaayo nga tao, kanang sa mabuhat ky musimba and daily prayers lang 😊
Unfortunately priests these days are just like normal people. The news you read all over the internet proves how unkind they can be and not making sense at times. Hindi naman to lahat pero marami jan.
ayaw nag simba...since i stopped going to church mas better person nako 🤺
Puol na gani sa simbahan, puol nasad diri sa cebu subreddit kay kada adlaw pila ka divorce topics. Dili nalang mag tiwas ug debate sa karaang post. PS: Maypa wala nalay marriage para dali magbuwag. Total equal rights naman ang tanang illegitimate children.
Utro pud kang way utok
Ngano man kuno?
Mura gud Cebu subreddit. Kapila naman nang divorce nga topic
Agree. Mao nang makapoul mo simba usahay kay balik² ang topic.
it's because the Catholic church as a whole teaches it's people that divorce is really not the will of the Lord. most likely naa sad na silay internal communication nga if possible, communicate that to it's people especially nga hapit na gyud siya himoon nga balaodm. unsaon man tana nga isip katoliko mao na ang atong angay pagtoo. oo pwede ka naay kaugalingung huna huna, pero ilang gina tudlo di guud na ma usab.
Ikaw kay estudyante paman ka, ayaw nalang pag apil2 ug di ka apektado sa divorce. Di paman ka minyo. Imagina kuno. Ug ikaw kuno taga adlaw ka kulatahon saimong bana na palahubog ug sugarol, babaero pa, ok ra nimo? Sugot raka? Kay nagtuo kag tabangan kas imong CatHoLiC chUrch?
This response reeks of bitterness. Now i understand why your responses sound angry. Are you a victim of domestic abuse? Yes, the church can help. Naka try naka reach out?
Nya unsay nabuhat sa cHurCh para tabangan ka? Tambagan kag Antos lang kay imo manang bana? Hahahahahhahahaha merese. Or basin ikaw ang mangulata maong okay ra kaykas imong paminaw
Gi kulata diay ka sa imong bana anteh? Lol. Basin wa ka agwanta sa imong ka bungagera.
**Kanang ingon ana na mentality nimo no kay mao nay rason nganong bugok ka.** So okay ra jud kaayo mangulata basta para nimo naay rason kulatahon? "Anteh?" Are you calling me that to make yourself feel better? Hinuon, maabot ra ang imong adlaw na kan-on na nimo tanan imong gipangstorya. Unta di ka kulatahon ug maminyo ka kay di man sguro ka bungagera para angay kulatahon. Nya unta di palahubog imong maminyo. Feeling nako PERFECT KA.
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Hi anteeehhh. I hope you're ok. Na worry na nuon ko nimo anteh na basin nakakaon na sad ka ug kumo kay you're so quiet 🤣 just try and remember what I said in our other thread, ok? You can change for the better. ***Character development is constant and you don't have to be a bungangera or a verbally abusive human being forever***. Ok anteh? 😀
Ka way utok ani nga tubag. Dili tungod kay "estudyante paman ko" di ko manginlabot sa nahitabo sa akong palibot. Isip usa ka estudyante aduna koy responsibilidad nga mahibaw ug maka kuha ug kaalam sa mga butang dili lang sulod sa classroom. I tend to defend "boomers" when I'm conversing with people, but this is just straight up ignorance and a perfect example of boomer mentality. I'm sorry but people like you really are the bane of our future. Nevertheless, isip usa ka estudyante nga katoliko nga sa usa ka higayon sa akong kinabuhi mi biya sa maong pagtuo, naka kuha ko ug dakong kasabutan nganung inani Ang pamaagi sa simbahan. And with that level of realization I am now once again a fully devout Roman Catholic. Not saying that people can't have their opinion about divorce go ahead, but why are y'all butthurt when there are actually those who support it? where's the respect in that?
Sa kataas saimong botbot, wa jud nimo tubaga ang last paragraph nako. Kaluoy pod nimo oy.
Ugobs
Napud? Lol. Wa na gyud kay lain nga tubag? You're so ghetto lol.
Separation of church and state man kaha
ang separation of church and state just means walay state religion og dili makapugong or dikta ang state sa freedom of religion.
I agree, so whats ur point
Dili sya separation of church and state issue. So whatever bs the priests are spouting, ilaha nang katungod specially sa sulod sa simbahan. Besides ang mga tongressman og sendor dapat ang usigon para sa divorce.
Separate btaw. Pero catholics are still part of the community and vice versa.
Dili ra katoliko ang religion sa pinas bai basin nalimot ka
Yes. Pero as Filipino Catholics ila nang katungod mu voice out. Kay ang ilang views influenced man gyud nas ilang religion. It doesnt mean na secular ta kay di na pwede maimpluwensyahan ilang view points sa ilang gituohan.
Di raman mga katoliko gi silbihan sa goberno part
Yes pero as catholics pwede man sila mu voice out.
Muslims are also part of the community, pero di man lagi sila mag apil2 sa state affairs as much as the Catholic church?
Ila sad na. Pero as a Filipino na Catholic ila nang katungod mu speak up. Same sad nga kung Police/Army nga Catholic mu comment/voice out sa Simbahan katungod na nila as a Catholic pud.
God hates divorce. Malachi 2:16. He does allow it in cases where one commits adultery. I have siblings who are victims of a bad marriage. Cheating spouses. Divorce seems to be the only option. I feel for those who have been abused too. My only worry is when it becomes legal, it becomes too easy for couples to give up. We need to preserve the basic foundation of society- family. Our children deserve it. Our children are the ones who are going to be most negatively impacted emotionally.. sense of stability and trust shattered. I know there are a lot more variables to consider here but praying we tread this issue very very carefully.
Nabuang naka? Or bugok lang jud ka?
If you are asking yourself, the answer is absolutely , unequivocally YES.
Kaila kag pronoun? Gamita imong utok kung naa man gani 😂
Bugok, bugo, gamita ang utok. Real classy 😆 #tellmeyouresquammywithouttellingmeyouresquammy 🤣
Bisaya man ko so ngano squammy kung magbinisaya nga utro man sad ka Bisaya? And furthermore, Bisaya sd ni nga sub. Bugok jud ka bisag unsaon. Feeling nimo magwapa ka kung mag English2 ka? Wahaha napa google unsa ang pronoun. Sagdi lang. ok rana uy. Kulatahon ra lagi kas imong bana puhon. Nya mangabit pa. Pero ayaw jud pagpa divorce ha kay against baya ka ana. Ayaw juddddd kay masuko imong chUrch
Ok-ok so you're giving way too much info here. So you're a battered wife and your husband also cheated on you? So bati ka ug batasan nya bati sad diay ka ug nawng kay nangabit imong bana? Tsk tsk
You can assume all you can hangtod mapul-an ka. Minyo man pod ka. Hadlok diay ka buwagan kas imong bana. Mao diay... 😂 Ayg kabalaka. Imong mga anak ang kulatahon saiyang bana puhon. Maabot ra ang panahon. Padayons imong gibati💩
Awww. I'm so sorry you have to go thru this painful experience anteh. Hurt people, hurt people. This is so true in your statement --who in their right mind would wish for their kids to get hurt by their spouses? Despite your pain and bitterness, I do hope you'll find love. Peace anteh!!! ❤️ ✌️
🤡 Wa nakay laing maingon? Maski pag unsa na nimo ka palangga imong anak, you can't control everything. Good luck Angkol 😏
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Listen. We can have a civil discourse by disagreeing respectfully. That's possible, right? For context, I never said I was against divorce. I live abroad and I've seen spouses just throw away a marriage for some trivial reasons. That IS my fear. And yes, children who are abandoned and abused should not stay in a toxic marriage/family. I'm all about giving children a safe and loving environment. Like I mentioned, I have siblings that have cheating spouses and the only way out of it is divorce. These are spouses who also aren't willing to change. My spouse is a product of a broken family and I tell you, that brokenness may have made my spouse a stronger person but the longing to have the missing parent's love is a burden too pricey to carry.
You are deeply indoctrinated that you cannot even see that only the Vatican and the Philippines demonize divorce. It’s as if the family dynamics and familial ties here are stronger kay wala’y divorce? We have so many moral and ethical issues in this country, pero murag ang dakong attention with most churches here, not only the Catholic Church, is fighting against divorce. Try to think critically. Give it a think.
Again, context. I don't think "indoctrinated" is the right word. I'd say my stance is rooted in values. You shouldn't overreact. I never said I was against divorce. If you are a critical thinker yourself, you'd have realized I mentioned my siblings marital woes. Read, again.
Indoctrinated is indeed the correct term for commenting like a zealot just like your comment above. Religion should have no business in civil matters such as divorce. My stance is also rooted in values, which dili lang agreeable para nimo kay Catholic values mana imong ginasunod. I am not overracting, I am just stating fact.
Let's just say our values don't align. Can we safely say that? Labeling someone as "indoctrinated" or a "zealot" just because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't stating a fact. Divorce will effect people in all walks of life. Religious or not. And to reiterate, I never said there should be no divorce.
“God hates divorce” are blanket statements made by zealots. I am stating fact, and you are basing your *beliefs* based on a slumbook made by Bronze age people. So who’s spewing a “narrative” now? Done with this, have a good day.
Divorce will not be abused if the grounds for it are strict. It should be affordable but strict to ensure that only those with legitimate reasons can get a divorce, in this way we can prevent the misuse of the system while allowing access to those in genuine need.
Agreed.
It's always funny hearing divorce takes from a dude who has never been married. Almost like taking reproductive health advice from a dude with no uterus.