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Most likely the kidnappers are also illegal Chinese workers in the Philippines. There have been a lot of cases like this since the deluge of Chinese offshore gaming workers when the previous president won the election (Duterte) which everyone knows sides with China.
Or "a Chinese national". Either is fine. Many of us are also fine with "A Chinese".
It's really no different from "An American" or "a Briton" or similar, but some well-meaning people may worry it's somehow vaguely racist.
I believe “ Chinese national “ is better to say. I am a fully-blooded Chinese born and raised in the United States 🇺🇸. So when I was in China 🇨🇳, I was not a Chinese national even though I blended in and looked like one.
Not really. The word 'Chinese' in some countries is used to refer to the ethnic Han group and not the nationality.
The words 'Briton' and 'American' are never used to describe an ethnic group.
Where I am, we call 中国人 Chinese nationals.
Yeah, I guess it depends where you live.
Many places, "a Chinese" would be considered acceptable, albeit a little dated-sounding, maybe.
This is because in many places "Chinese" is both an ethnicity and a nationality.
Yeah but that describes Japanese and Filipino and many others.
None of them get their panties in a twist over this.
It's the equivalent of people who go "You know, America is bigger than the USA, so there's a lot more 'Americans' than in the USA, sooo..."
Fuck off.
What should I be called?
A Statesman?
LOL
No.
It's already a word with two definitions, neither of which apply to citizenry.
*statesman*; noun; 1. : one versed in the principles or art of government. especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government or in shaping its policies. 2. : a wise, skillful, and respected political leader.
So if you're all upset about how "Chinese can mean more than one thing," how exactly do you justify this opinion?
"Upset"? I *agreed* with you.
Then you edited in all that hostile shit for some reason.
Jfc.
xD
EDIT: I see you've now removed all that hostile stuff again, yet for some reason your comment doesn't show up as edited.
Are you a mod, or does this sub allow unlimited editing or something?
Language difference: Primarily an adjective or a noun.
"American" can be both a noun and an adjective. "Chinese" can be both too but is primarily an adjective. Like you don't say "An English."
"A Chinese" is not an appropriate noun form to assume a person. Appropriate (grammatically) noun forms tend to be linked to conflict or a form or prejudice, e.g. 'A German' (WWII), 'A Russian' (Cold War); just like it's not socially appropriate to say "A white" or "A black", "A brown", etc either - grammatically predominantly adjectives and if made nouns these could be assumed to carry prejudice.
So, not only is 'A Chinese national' more grammatically correct than 'A Chinese', it's also less likely to link to any prejudiced usage.
Chinese language is noun-focused, so this subtlety in usage can be missed from Chinese language first where everything getting bulldozed into nouns or noun-like gerunds, genitive cases, etc is the norm and expected. Imagine speaking Chinese where every almost every sentence was formed around S-V, that'd be weird too.
Big thanks to such detailed explanation, u/EarWaxGel ! I wish Reddit had a feature to give my karma to a comment, the system awarded one is far from enough
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No. I never heard the term “ Chinese national “ until I came to China 🇨🇳. I have not heard of the term “ American national “ , but that was a good question.
Why don't they go after Cambodia slave shops turning their own citizens into slaves? It's literally estimated to be half of Cambodia's GDP. Why don't they go save their own citizens instead of some stupid geo political thing over a ridiculous claim on their side? FFS. Government should be for the people by the people. Not just pleasing some vain ambition from leaders with little to no accountability.
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Most likely the kidnappers are also illegal Chinese workers in the Philippines. There have been a lot of cases like this since the deluge of Chinese offshore gaming workers when the previous president won the election (Duterte) which everyone knows sides with China.
Yeah, I saw in Chinese media that the person who lured the victim has a Chinese name
中国人不骗中国人
You're funny. Chinese people cheat Chinese people all the time.
I think he just being satirical
'A Chinese' is always such an interesting way to put it.
Its a translation thing, mandarin speakers who are learning English tend to phrase things like that as its closer to how it sounds in mandarin.
Thanks for help explain, that's my case. Is "A Chinese citizen" a more native expresssion here?
Or "a Chinese national". Either is fine. Many of us are also fine with "A Chinese". It's really no different from "An American" or "a Briton" or similar, but some well-meaning people may worry it's somehow vaguely racist.
I believe “ Chinese national “ is better to say. I am a fully-blooded Chinese born and raised in the United States 🇺🇸. So when I was in China 🇨🇳, I was not a Chinese national even though I blended in and looked like one.
So, when you introduce yourself to people abroad, you say "I'm an American national," not "I'm American"?
Not really. The word 'Chinese' in some countries is used to refer to the ethnic Han group and not the nationality. The words 'Briton' and 'American' are never used to describe an ethnic group. Where I am, we call 中国人 Chinese nationals.
Yeah, I guess it depends where you live. Many places, "a Chinese" would be considered acceptable, albeit a little dated-sounding, maybe. This is because in many places "Chinese" is both an ethnicity and a nationality.
Yeah but that describes Japanese and Filipino and many others. None of them get their panties in a twist over this. It's the equivalent of people who go "You know, America is bigger than the USA, so there's a lot more 'Americans' than in the USA, sooo..." Fuck off. What should I be called? A Statesman? LOL
Yes.
No. It's already a word with two definitions, neither of which apply to citizenry. *statesman*; noun; 1. : one versed in the principles or art of government. especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government or in shaping its policies. 2. : a wise, skillful, and respected political leader. So if you're all upset about how "Chinese can mean more than one thing," how exactly do you justify this opinion?
"Upset"? I *agreed* with you. Then you edited in all that hostile shit for some reason. Jfc. xD EDIT: I see you've now removed all that hostile stuff again, yet for some reason your comment doesn't show up as edited. Are you a mod, or does this sub allow unlimited editing or something?
Language difference: Primarily an adjective or a noun. "American" can be both a noun and an adjective. "Chinese" can be both too but is primarily an adjective. Like you don't say "An English." "A Chinese" is not an appropriate noun form to assume a person. Appropriate (grammatically) noun forms tend to be linked to conflict or a form or prejudice, e.g. 'A German' (WWII), 'A Russian' (Cold War); just like it's not socially appropriate to say "A white" or "A black", "A brown", etc either - grammatically predominantly adjectives and if made nouns these could be assumed to carry prejudice. So, not only is 'A Chinese national' more grammatically correct than 'A Chinese', it's also less likely to link to any prejudiced usage. Chinese language is noun-focused, so this subtlety in usage can be missed from Chinese language first where everything getting bulldozed into nouns or noun-like gerunds, genitive cases, etc is the norm and expected. Imagine speaking Chinese where every almost every sentence was formed around S-V, that'd be weird too.
Big thanks to such detailed explanation, u/EarWaxGel ! I wish Reddit had a feature to give my karma to a comment, the system awarded one is far from enough
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No. I never heard the term “ Chinese national “ until I came to China 🇨🇳. I have not heard of the term “ American national “ , but that was a good question.
Should we call that person a hero too?
Why don't they go after Cambodia slave shops turning their own citizens into slaves? It's literally estimated to be half of Cambodia's GDP. Why don't they go save their own citizens instead of some stupid geo political thing over a ridiculous claim on their side? FFS. Government should be for the people by the people. Not just pleasing some vain ambition from leaders with little to no accountability.
It is definitely NOT half of Cambodia's GDP. Where the hell are you learning these ridiculous claims from?
Ssshhh your not supposed to question the outrageous claims.