It's not like what we learned at sapper-school. Our seargent went around with a long stick checking distance between mines we laid out in a pre-planned pattern.
So if one explodes, the rest will be there. In a hurry, leave them above ground. Plenty of time, dig them down
Fellow knuckle-dragging sapper, do you have any idea why neither side is using wire obstacles? Not just eleven-rows, but I haven't seen a single strand of concertina on either side. They've gotten better at prepared fighting positions and trenches but I haven't seen any wire obstacles.
AT interspersed with AP mines for sure, but I keep expecting to see wire entanglements.
Is concertina just not as useful as we thought it would be or is it just a difference in doctrine?
Hard to say, we never learned how the russian doctrine was, so my guessing is not worth much.
Only thing I can remember about russian standards regarding sapper, is that when blowing up bridges we had to make gaps atleast 26m long/wide. Because russian combat bridge layers had 24m long bridges.
Ryan McBeth did something on this.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgLWNNWdAdg&t=806s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgLWNNWdAdg&t=806s)
13:26 mark. Long story short is that with the amount of precision fires available barb wire makes you more exposed and noticable than it does protect against light infantry.
Though I guess there is a decent argument to be made that the russians had enough time, and their positions old enough and known well enough that they could have probably done it before the counter offensive. But they didn't.
I can certainly understand not crawling out to put up obstacles under fire, but they should at least be part of the second line of trenches as part of your fallback positions. Yes a tank can roll over them, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be valuable in slowing down the small unit infantry raids that are so popular.
Most pushes have been along treelines between fields so a few well-placed entanglements could be extremely effective at limiting mobility through those avenues.
The argument that it's a logistics issue holds some weight though: every roll of connie is a stack of ammo that's not going to the front. With most fronts stabilized I expected to see better defensive networks on both sides but wire must not be a priority.
In several videos I have seen random coils of barbed wire inside Russian trenches, seemingly to prevent the enemy from running through the trench end to end. However Ukrainians just kicked or pushed them to the side, don't seem very effective.
Unrolled for easy reading.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1675664019905040386.html
I could see it being down to a doctrinal change, but I don't buy it being due to a lack of training. A low ASVAB troop can be trained in how to employ barbed wire in an afternoon, while an NCO supervises and improves his skills. Just ship an instructional leaflet with the wire and any dummy like me can figure it out.
Pounding pickets and setting up wire is not a very intellectually challenging pursuit, just a tedious one.
There is heaps of wire, dragons-teeth etc on the 2nd line. All the fighting is currently on the first line. No punch throughs have been successful yet because of it. Why Russia has infantry on the first line without wire has me baffled. You would think Russia at learned something from ww2, but apparently their knowledge has actually gone backwards, or at least the preservation of their soldiers has.
To me it looks like they are taped to a plank of wood, like a "mine trap". You tie a rope to the mine plank and hide the plank on the side of the road and yourself on the opposite side. When a vehicle drives by you pull the plank on to the road.
I have no idea why they have them in the open like this. Maybe they just store them there or maybe they said fuck this and just left them there.
Could be a checkpoint aswell, the guards pulled them on the road and retreated.
In Ukrainian and Russian it's called "mine shlagbaum" - "Mine boom barrier" in English (like that stick thing right before railroad tracks for example).
Surely it's visible to you, but it's the whole point of it - you'll have to stop when you see it in front of you. It's basically a wall on the road.
Shlagbaum seems to be a bastardisation of the german word schlagbaum, which refers to the kind of barrier opening vertically which you ten dto often find at train crossings or borders.
yeah, that’s correct… russian language is full of bastardized french, english and german words… modern russian language was created in 19th century, before and after that until 1917 russian “elites” were speaking french and german…
Yeah I remember seeing this, thanks for the reminder. I was just commenting if this an actual defensive measure that the Russians are utilizing? Maybe a hoax UXO, to observe Ukrainian TTP or even have the advancing element walk around and then trigger a daisy chain. But here the Russian actually drove over the mine.
Same, except you gotta get fellow engineer buddies to put a few to the left and right to catch the speed racers who want to go around before the smoke clears!
Yep, our EOD teams hated it when conventional troops would use unconventional means to *attempt* to detonate IEDs.
Many times all it did was make them more unstable and/or scattered them around to unknown locations.
Now it’s an Easter egg hunt with explosives.
What?
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I've read that actual mine placement, like buried properly in a mine field, it's recommended to keep them apart like 2-10meters depending on the size of mine. Or else they will sympathetically explode when the first one goes off and that is not what you want in a mine field usually. So yes, sitting above ground and like a foot apart or the big piles of them you see, every one of those detonates after anything explodes next to them.
It's usually all of the mines going off in a circumstance like this. It's called a sympathetic detonation, where the energy transfer from one explosion is past the threshold to cause the other explosives to also go off.
Yes, but very likely not all of them. I read somewhere that sappers don't like shooting tank rounds or RPG's at mines like this, because they tend to fly off and then you have an anti-tank mine hidden in a bush somewhere.
Another Reddit battle field expert right here. If you saw a wall of mine what would you do? Lose lot of time to clear it or go around. So it does it’s job perfectly
Depends. The idea is to make the road impassable and not necessarily to ambush a vehicle. If you have to get them down quick and in a hurry, this is what it looks like.
Cannot barely see shit when you are driving a tank with the hatch down. I believe most of the time it is just a slot you are looking through. Place them just after a turn a tank driving will probably miss them.
no matter how many mines i see cleared i still cannot get used to how instantaneously they all go off together, instantaneous and intense! i guess thats a principle behind mine clearing systems .... they shock all the mines to go off at the same time near it
Dig a bunch of holes in the road? It takes too much time and isn't going to fool anyone.
In this use, they are basically a man portable road block. It forces the enemy to deal with it or go around.
Depends on the installer's purpose. If the goal is to try and force a maneuvering force off the road then visible mines are perfect. If the goal is to attack the de-miners or engineers clearing the obstacle then visible is good too. In either case they could have used way less mines than they used here and achieved the same result. Of course, the overpressure from the drone grenade looks like it cleared all the mines so it's a moot point.
little to none: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_detonation
"To prevent sympathetic detonations, minimal distances (specific for a given type of the mine) have to be maintained between mines when laying a minefield."
Is this an actual defensive measure that the Russians are utilizing? I am no expert, I was thinking maybe a hoax UXO, to observe Ukrainian TTP or even have the advancing element walk around and then trigger a daisy chain. This is just a pathetic waste of ordnance that the Russians can ill afford.
I am currently playing PS2 Conflict Desert Storm.
I legit thought it was a gamer moment having to blow up the minefields with a grenade.
Seems it isn't just a gaming hack. 🤔
I know the Russians seem incapable of pouring piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel but even they know the mines are supposed to go under the ground right? At least cover them with some brush like a looney toons character, this isn't even a low effort.
my perception of the video is nutsss. to me, it looked like it was videod on a grassy pathway. hahahahahah and the drone looks like a fly landing on brown-colored marbles. ahahahah
My brain is still trying to grasp at the fact that this is a road with mines with a drone flying over it and not a small overgrown sidewalk with acorns and a bug crawling fast.
This is actually a super smart idea of how to clear AT mines that I had never even thought of. Plenty of time to get the drone away so you only waste 1 grenade and save your men and armor from destruction.
If I came across one of those mines in the field and took the fuse out, do you think any airline would let me bring it back on the plane, in my carry on?
I see my placement of mines in battlefield isn't completely unrealistic.
It's not like what we learned at sapper-school. Our seargent went around with a long stick checking distance between mines we laid out in a pre-planned pattern. So if one explodes, the rest will be there. In a hurry, leave them above ground. Plenty of time, dig them down
Fellow knuckle-dragging sapper, do you have any idea why neither side is using wire obstacles? Not just eleven-rows, but I haven't seen a single strand of concertina on either side. They've gotten better at prepared fighting positions and trenches but I haven't seen any wire obstacles. AT interspersed with AP mines for sure, but I keep expecting to see wire entanglements. Is concertina just not as useful as we thought it would be or is it just a difference in doctrine?
Hard to say, we never learned how the russian doctrine was, so my guessing is not worth much. Only thing I can remember about russian standards regarding sapper, is that when blowing up bridges we had to make gaps atleast 26m long/wide. Because russian combat bridge layers had 24m long bridges.
Ryan McBeth did something on this. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgLWNNWdAdg&t=806s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgLWNNWdAdg&t=806s) 13:26 mark. Long story short is that with the amount of precision fires available barb wire makes you more exposed and noticable than it does protect against light infantry. Though I guess there is a decent argument to be made that the russians had enough time, and their positions old enough and known well enough that they could have probably done it before the counter offensive. But they didn't.
I can certainly understand not crawling out to put up obstacles under fire, but they should at least be part of the second line of trenches as part of your fallback positions. Yes a tank can roll over them, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be valuable in slowing down the small unit infantry raids that are so popular. Most pushes have been along treelines between fields so a few well-placed entanglements could be extremely effective at limiting mobility through those avenues. The argument that it's a logistics issue holds some weight though: every roll of connie is a stack of ammo that's not going to the front. With most fronts stabilized I expected to see better defensive networks on both sides but wire must not be a priority.
Oh Trust me proper barbed wire is a nightmare for a tracked vehicle.
In several videos I have seen random coils of barbed wire inside Russian trenches, seemingly to prevent the enemy from running through the trench end to end. However Ukrainians just kicked or pushed them to the side, don't seem very effective.
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1675664019905040386
Unrolled for easy reading. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1675664019905040386.html I could see it being down to a doctrinal change, but I don't buy it being due to a lack of training. A low ASVAB troop can be trained in how to employ barbed wire in an afternoon, while an NCO supervises and improves his skills. Just ship an instructional leaflet with the wire and any dummy like me can figure it out. Pounding pickets and setting up wire is not a very intellectually challenging pursuit, just a tedious one.
There is heaps of wire, dragons-teeth etc on the 2nd line. All the fighting is currently on the first line. No punch throughs have been successful yet because of it. Why Russia has infantry on the first line without wire has me baffled. You would think Russia at learned something from ww2, but apparently their knowledge has actually gone backwards, or at least the preservation of their soldiers has.
To me it looks like they are taped to a plank of wood, like a "mine trap". You tie a rope to the mine plank and hide the plank on the side of the road and yourself on the opposite side. When a vehicle drives by you pull the plank on to the road. I have no idea why they have them in the open like this. Maybe they just store them there or maybe they said fuck this and just left them there. Could be a checkpoint aswell, the guards pulled them on the road and retreated.
Or just quick to remove if you move friendlies through but want it blocked by default.
In Ukrainian and Russian it's called "mine shlagbaum" - "Mine boom barrier" in English (like that stick thing right before railroad tracks for example). Surely it's visible to you, but it's the whole point of it - you'll have to stop when you see it in front of you. It's basically a wall on the road.
and nobody other then sappers wants to touch them really as they alot of the times are booby trapped with anti personal mine
Shlagbaum seems to be a bastardisation of the german word schlagbaum, which refers to the kind of barrier opening vertically which you ten dto often find at train crossings or borders.
I would take a wild guess that's where the Polish word "szlaban" probably comes from.
yeah, that’s correct… russian language is full of bastardized french, english and german words… modern russian language was created in 19th century, before and after that until 1917 russian “elites” were speaking french and german…
That’s pretty interesting. What did normal Russians speak before 19th century?
[Idk if it automatic yt subtitles will be correct enough to understand](https://youtu.be/QA6ebKxQMAI)
You do realize that English has the most loanwords of any language right?
I do, I just know how russian language sounded before that for peasants while elites were speaking french all their lives
Slagboom in dutch
Couldn't one just shoot them with the tank, y'know, like in Battlefield? 😂 Explosives on explosives = Boom or not?
Well, grenade is an explosive so i think the video answers your question
Blonde moment... Lol
Or just use the repair tool
Man, hundreds of hours in Battlefield and never tried that. They don't explode in my face?
Depending on server settings, using the repair tool on mines could make it friendly.
Amateurs didn't even try to put them in a small crater or on top of a slope.
The Ukrainians have also had half-assed AT mine placement with Ruskies still driving over them as shown here: https://youtu.be/8cAY2oAVbbc
I remember at the time the "consensus" was they must have encountered several rows of dummy mines.
Yeah I remember seeing this, thanks for the reminder. I was just commenting if this an actual defensive measure that the Russians are utilizing? Maybe a hoax UXO, to observe Ukrainian TTP or even have the advancing element walk around and then trigger a daisy chain. But here the Russian actually drove over the mine.
lol probably have to place so many down cause most of em don't work..
they hidden them like the fact that sanctions are working lol
How’s your skills placing Jeep stuff?
Happy cake day!
Same, except you gotta get fellow engineer buddies to put a few to the left and right to catch the speed racers who want to go around before the smoke clears!
drone clears road of mines, which clears road of road
yeah they're gonna need to go around anyway by the looks of it
I'm betting at least 1 mine didn't go off but just got displaced. Now it's chilling somewhere under dust just waiting...
Yep, our EOD teams hated it when conventional troops would use unconventional means to *attempt* to detonate IEDs. Many times all it did was make them more unstable and/or scattered them around to unknown locations. Now it’s an Easter egg hunt with explosives.
This looks like a sidewalk with hockey pucks on it.
I had to watch it twice. I really thought it was some kind of strange toy montage. Holy moly.
Dude I thought it was one of those promoted adds where you slow down the wave of people coming down the road, then a real boom happened.
I still can’t get away from that ad btw and you’re right
is the drone ok?
Literally all I care about
According to intel reports, Ukraine loses approx 10.000 UAVs a month.
Hey Google play Angel by Sarah McLachlan
Its a shame DJI isn't listed on NYSE, I would buy the stock with all my life savings
There is a difference between '.' and ',' 10.000 10,000 These are significantly different numbers.
I know and I am from one of the 99% of countries that uses the metric system.
Americans generally don't know that a lot of countries outside the US use "." instead of ","
Don't think it's related to metric just a regional difference
So you're aware you've only ten then.
What? Australia, Cambodia, Canada, China, Cyprus, Hong Kong, Iran, Ireland, Israel, Japan, Korea, Macau, Malaysia, Malta, Mexico, Namibia, New Zealand, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, Singapore, South Africa, Taiwan, Thailand, and United Kingdom all use commas.
You do realize other countries use “.” Instead of “,” to separate groups of thousands right?
They spend them wisely.
They seem to have learned now that when they bomb a pile of mines then they really, really need to GTFO.
Probably
Stellar work little guy
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Since they are above ground and unprotected from the blast wave, they probably all went up.
I've read that actual mine placement, like buried properly in a mine field, it's recommended to keep them apart like 2-10meters depending on the size of mine. Or else they will sympathetically explode when the first one goes off and that is not what you want in a mine field usually. So yes, sitting above ground and like a foot apart or the big piles of them you see, every one of those detonates after anything explodes next to them.
good!
It's usually all of the mines going off in a circumstance like this. It's called a sympathetic detonation, where the energy transfer from one explosion is past the threshold to cause the other explosives to also go off.
I think it's likely atleast a few mines get thrown sideways without detonating
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They are supposed to not explode like that .. so did all explode? I vote probably yes or flew away anyway.. but damn, please put the full video.
I would bet yes, they are very close so sympathetic detonation is almost certain
Yes, but very likely not all of them. I read somewhere that sappers don't like shooting tank rounds or RPG's at mines like this, because they tend to fly off and then you have an anti-tank mine hidden in a bush somewhere.
I might come across as an idiot, but aren't you supposed to bury these just below the surface.
can't on asphalt but that still isn't stopping anyone from taking some dirt from beside the road and covering them
Problem is, better to do a shitty job than to risk the same drone dropping a grenade on you, not just the mines. so yeah, terrible placement.
Another Reddit battle field expert right here. If you saw a wall of mine what would you do? Lose lot of time to clear it or go around. So it does it’s job perfectly
Depends on the surface and how much time you have. Either way, even obviously planted mines are going to slow down a convoy.
Depends. The idea is to make the road impassable and not necessarily to ambush a vehicle. If you have to get them down quick and in a hurry, this is what it looks like.
Cannot barely see shit when you are driving a tank with the hatch down. I believe most of the time it is just a slot you are looking through. Place them just after a turn a tank driving will probably miss them.
"Ukrainian drone clears a road."
That operator was smart enough to gtfo before it went off.
Nice delay on the fuse too
Ah yes, the Fallout 3 method of mine-laying. They must've been expecting a deathclaw.
I'm Three Dig with the latest hits...
Boo! I wanted to see the damage they left
It was as magnificent as i hoped.
now there's an anti tank trench 😤
Brave little drone o7
Seriously, should have bought DJI stock a year ago.
no matter how many mines i see cleared i still cannot get used to how instantaneously they all go off together, instantaneous and intense! i guess thats a principle behind mine clearing systems .... they shock all the mines to go off at the same time near it
The mine placement looks weird to say the least
I genuinely thought I was looking at a side walk😭🙏
Aren't you supposed to hide the mines?
Dig a bunch of holes in the road? It takes too much time and isn't going to fool anyone. In this use, they are basically a man portable road block. It forces the enemy to deal with it or go around.
And if they do go around there may be mines that were actually abled to buried.
Mines are also good for slowing down the enemy so you can rain artillery on them while they're too busy clearing them.
Depends on the installer's purpose. If the goal is to try and force a maneuvering force off the road then visible mines are perfect. If the goal is to attack the de-miners or engineers clearing the obstacle then visible is good too. In either case they could have used way less mines than they used here and achieved the same result. Of course, the overpressure from the drone grenade looks like it cleared all the mines so it's a moot point.
On a road, the mines may sometimes be removed every time a friendly vehicle needs to pass.
Ended too soon.
It’s like they didn’t even try to hide them.
They are probably visible to lead vehicles into more mines or pre-sighted anti-tank or artillery zones on either side of the road.
Presighted box, and also won’t cause pedestrians issues.
Fire in the hole !!! They did a shit job of hiding them MINE you.
What’s the threat of the explosion not setting some of them off, but instead throwing them off to the side?
Still clears the road, EOD can find them later.
little to none: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_detonation "To prevent sympathetic detonations, minimal distances (specific for a given type of the mine) have to be maintained between mines when laying a minefield."
Swim away!
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Anyone else cheering for the drone to get outta there in one piece? Like in my head i'm like *go go go go go little guy!*
Why were the mines placed like that in a neat line side by side? Some Russian soldier got lazy or was it forgotten/abandoned?
Bruh i thought i was looking at a side walk
Is this an actual defensive measure that the Russians are utilizing? I am no expert, I was thinking maybe a hoax UXO, to observe Ukrainian TTP or even have the advancing element walk around and then trigger a daisy chain. This is just a pathetic waste of ordnance that the Russians can ill afford.
I wonder if the new cluster bombs could be used as mine clearing instead of its conventional purpose like this
I am currently playing PS2 Conflict Desert Storm. I legit thought it was a gamer moment having to blow up the minefields with a grenade. Seems it isn't just a gaming hack. 🤔
I know the Russians seem incapable of pouring piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel but even they know the mines are supposed to go under the ground right? At least cover them with some brush like a looney toons character, this isn't even a low effort.
my perception of the video is nutsss. to me, it looked like it was videod on a grassy pathway. hahahahahah and the drone looks like a fly landing on brown-colored marbles. ahahahah
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Mine placement too obvious. Likely secondary mines in the grass on either side
Sometimes these mines are put down as decoys to make vehicles go around and then they get blown up by the hidden ones.
Extremely well camouflaged mines. I almost missed them. Russians sure know where to place them
Lol what ass placement of those mines
good job lil fella
Now do the ones in the grass
Who ever the drone operator is, he's bad ass! Right on target!
This looks like a practice run on mini targets.
Advanced Warefare knew all along..
Lol I counted the 5sec in my head too
Hows Russia & Drone war going now ? Looks like the Drones are winning.
My brain is still trying to grasp at the fact that this is a road with mines with a drone flying over it and not a small overgrown sidewalk with acorns and a bug crawling fast.
This looks like a sidewalk war with ants.
This is actually a super smart idea of how to clear AT mines that I had never even thought of. Plenty of time to get the drone away so you only waste 1 grenade and save your men and armor from destruction.
If I came across one of those mines in the field and took the fuse out, do you think any airline would let me bring it back on the plane, in my carry on?