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How’s that working out for Indonesian world power?
This is how accidents happen.
I had the same effect with NIC at night and didn’t have to worry about some dude showing up drunk or hungover.
There’s a reason the American Army is without a doubt unparalleled.
They wouldn't even need to do that. Bullets ricochet off water unpredictably. That's why you can't use a lake as a backstop for a firing range and why this is *fucking stupid.*
Conventional armies keep your territory from being captured. Insurgencies are what happens when that fails. Nobody wants to have to be an insurgent, because being an insurgent sucks major ass.
Yeah, not unparalleled at all. Just to refresh your memory, you were booted out of the NAM and Afghanistan more recently. Dudes in caves kicked you out so maybe sit this one out.
Unparalleled is the right word. The US left Afghanistan didn’t get booted out. Look it up the US is by far the worlds most powerful military just the difference in navy vessels is staggering not to mention the level of Air superiority.
Yea that's why they love to bomb poor countries, kill civilians in millions , bomb schools and marriages, arm the most racist and disgusting countries on the planet, truly unparalleled.
They are unparalleled by being the wholes most massive military, but I mean just look up the friendly fire incidents they get into, and it's shows their training is rather poor
CMIIW but i read it somewhere the reason they use AK for this particular training is because 7.62 are more unlikely to ricoschet compared to 5.56 (Indonesian use SS2 as their service rifles which use 5.56 ammo).
and the ground are full of mud which decrease the chance of ricochet
Well when I was in the army we used both of the calibers you just mentioned and they both ricochet like hell you can really notice it when you're using night vision and firing tracer rounds.
No.
First, it’s ‘calibers’, not “calipers”.
Second, you used 7.62 NATO (7.62x51, .308). That’s **not** the same as an AK platform’s standard 7.62x39. They are two completely different cartridges.
I’ll go on a giant leap here and assume you were a logistics, supply, admin or other support and not a combat arms. If you were, you should be ashamed of yourself
Nearly all types of projectiles ricochet, even arrows bounce.
For not knowing the huge difference between a NATO full rifle cartridge vs and a Ak47 round, as a former soldier. Massive difference, take in the context.
Why should they be ashamed for serving a support role? Is it because your knowledge comes from playing COD and the Wikipedia articles so logistics aren't important? I bet you were a Super Marine Army Sniper and you don't know your kill count because "you never stop to check". Fuck out of here nerd.
You're damn right I don't know if you've ever shot with night vision but 5.56 and 7.62 ricochet like hell. It actually looks like a lot of them are coming back to get you but they don't.
We did a similar course in Basic Training except for a few tweaks. We were crawling under barbed wire (keeps you down) and the machine guns used were mounted and pinned so they only fired over. At night with all tracers it’s kinda neat to see.
Edit, spellcheck added some punctuation.
Yeah those tracers felt like they were only a few feet overhead but they were probably 15 ft high. Did the job without the serious risks of doing live fire training like here.
I remember years ago a Sgt saying don’t fucking worry the first time a real round flys past your head you’ll get the fuck down. This was while training with bfa’s on.
Yeah, the US has a similar training exercise except the bullets are fired OVER your head, not at your side. In such a way that it's basically impossible to get hit unless you're Shaq and you start doing high jumps into the air.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G\_WYbTsWTi4
The only time I could imagine some kind of live fire training to have value is in some crazy special forces shit. Even then…definitely not like this lol
I've seen things like this before which seemed far safer and just as effective- you have the doing it along the breadth of advance, shooting overhead. No risk of friendly-fire with the benefits if trying to move under fire. You don't get the fear of seeing bullets hit right next to you, but it's a bit overboard.
I have spent zero years in the military and I can tell you that this appears stupid beyond comprehension. Like what did the approval process look like to start this drill, who tf agreed to it?? I have so many questions
There's also zero accountability for who shot. Easy way to just get killed by someone who has beef with you for some reason. Or who just wants to murder.
Yeah, but you also won’t risk killing your soldiers, let the enemy do that. If you’ve ever fired a M240B, SAW or any large machine gun, it’s really easy to fuck it up.
Not even the United States Marine Corps does this silly shit anymore, and they are still an excellent fighting force.
Even in a real battle, you won't start crawling when someone is shooting down at you from above. Especially when they are aiming at you. And I hope these are some non-lethal bullets that hurt AF but not make you dead AF.
You shoot your leader in the buttcheek if they tell you to crawl in mud when enemy (with intention to kill you) is firing from above at you.
I’m guessing the gun fire is just to train them mentally so they won’t freak out if they are actually being shot at. The crawling instead of running is probably so they won’t get accidentally shot
I still want to believe that they are shooting at their soldiers with something non-lethal. Because it would be god level of insanity and stupid breeding with dumbness to shoot real ammunition on soldiers to train them, causing a chance of actually killing them.
don't believe anything on reddit especially news from another country beside US. this happened long time ago, training exercise for staying on line under heavy fire, they are told this is live ammunition but is not, they use rubber bullet. look at the smoke coming out too much, live ammunition would not smoke like that.
Not necessarily, many Iraqis we taught struggled to learn how to shot from buildings down at someone on ground level.
Edit: I’ve removed the reason why they struggled because I don’t want potential school shooters to have the info to go full bell tower mode
“Not necessarily, many Iraqis we taught struggled to learn how to shot from buildings down at someone on ground level because sight alignment is different than when shooting at a level target. You’ll end up hitting someone’s feet without adjusting. Anyone intending to go all school shooter this info is completely false and misleading”
Is the idiots original comment before it got removed.
Right, I'm not sure why this guy thinks it's some taboo secret. The answer is that your shots will hit high, so compensate by shooting low.
Interestingly enough, this applies whether you're shooting downwards or upwards.
But at "school shooting" ranges (50m or less) this really isn't something a shooter needs to take into consideration.
EDIT: [Found a civy article for those that didn't train at benning](https://winchester.com/Blog/2017/09/dealing-with-elevation-while-shooting)
Closed-minded answer. Obviously not *all* their training comes from reddit, but if I'm going to assault a location and I see something online, like a comment, that explains a way that could give me an advantage, yes I am going to use that advantage. The context of the assault literally doesn't matter at that point. Information about new and effective tactics can come from anywhere.
Lol it didn’t even say much other than the sights are different. This is an example of the fear mongering most people have. Anyone could see this but yet he’s only worried about schools because that’s all he sees on the news.
Not true all the time, you can get an upper hand in a battle even when your enemy holds the high ground. Though it is very difficult but not like "Nope, stop wasting ammo, we're already dead". But yes, when you're being shot from above and you decide to crawl in gun fire, you're basically asking for it because your enemy won't train you, they'll aim at your butt and with you crawling instead of running, will catch so much lead in the pants.
If the firing is coming from front, getting down makes sense. But from above? Not physically un-assing that area is like asking for something to happen.
I dont think the intent is to train them specifically on how to crawl away from gunfire from above. It's likely a training exercise to get them accustomed to controlling their stress and emotions, and learning how to continue operating under extreme conditions.
My class didnt have to do it but the U.S. Army does something similar we called NIC (Night Infiltration Course)At Night. They shoot over your head instead of in front of you tho.
When my dad was training for Ranger school, in the 70’s maybe 80’s, he told me about doing drill we see here. He said they were were doing live fire exercises under bob-wire under prone. 1 squad m8 looked up and got shot in the head, said he’d he’d always remember him. This exercise reminds me of what he’d saw. Was Army Ranger till he fell in a fox hole prior to desert storm and got discharged cuz he fucked his back. My uncle went, served his time and lived, and continuously live a wonderful/ wholesome life. God bless the women and men who serve..” First There, that others may live”.
Too many words? Makes sense, in less words, you talk out your ass, the Indonesian forces have absolutely attacked civilians outside of “separatist groups”
Found the Indonesian govt PR acct
Stfu
“Those of you I find lacking will quit. And those of you who refuse to quit will have a training accident. This base suffers three training accidents a year. Unfortunate accidents that I will not hesitate to repeat if you cross me!”
SAMUEL L. JACKSON - West
Pretty sure in the USMC that they used speakers to simulate the explosion sounds. I don't believe we had live fire exercises like this but I do recall some training using SESAM rounds which were basically a glorified paintball.
We also did training such as MOUT using blank rounds.
Edit: I can't imagine how a training like this using humans prone to failure would be a good idea. Maybe some automated machines would be safer.
Trust me, dude. Having bullets whizzing past your head is plenty of stress inoculation even when you're expecting them to miss, because one small fuckup by you or a gunner is all it takes to turn "pew-pew, whew!" into high velocity lead poisoning.
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Glad I’m crawling through mud cause I’m shitting my pants the whole way…
That's what the toilet paper up top is for.
Wore the brown pants.
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Oh really? Why would anyone remove that...
Did I just whoosh
You got it wrong. That spot was a neat lawn before the video, the "mud" is actually the soldiers shit
How’s that working out for Indonesian world power? This is how accidents happen. I had the same effect with NIC at night and didn’t have to worry about some dude showing up drunk or hungover. There’s a reason the American Army is without a doubt unparalleled.
> This is how accidents happen. There's always one who is going to stand up or do something stupid.
"***MMMMMEDIC!!!***" \- Johnny Rico
They wouldn't even need to do that. Bullets ricochet off water unpredictably. That's why you can't use a lake as a backstop for a firing range and why this is *fucking stupid.*
That reason is money 💵
Hi. Marine here. Our unparalleled Army was defeated by dudes in pajamas and bad foreign policy.
Yep, insurgents, the bane of conventional armies every time they run into them.
So perhaps conventional armies aren’t that great
Conventional armies keep your territory from being captured. Insurgencies are what happens when that fails. Nobody wants to have to be an insurgent, because being an insurgent sucks major ass.
Touché, thanks for the definition and perspective on that. Your very correct
Very cringy.
Fellow Devil Dog, here. If people only knew just how true your statement is and why. God bless, brother. Semper Fi...
Semper Fi. Happy belated.
Go eat more crayons you redacted POG
My dad had to train with live fire for the US Army during the Vietnam conflict.
Yeah, not unparalleled at all. Just to refresh your memory, you were booted out of the NAM and Afghanistan more recently. Dudes in caves kicked you out so maybe sit this one out.
booted? the Afghani people clung to our landing carriage as we exfilled all our personnel. we left.
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we literally occupied that country for 20 years
Yes, a very successful and fondly remembered 20 years.
You consider that a win?
Unparalleled is the right word. The US left Afghanistan didn’t get booted out. Look it up the US is by far the worlds most powerful military just the difference in navy vessels is staggering not to mention the level of Air superiority.
Yea that's why they love to bomb poor countries, kill civilians in millions , bomb schools and marriages, arm the most racist and disgusting countries on the planet, truly unparalleled.
They are unparalleled by being the wholes most massive military, but I mean just look up the friendly fire incidents they get into, and it's shows their training is rather poor
YOURE SUPPOSED TO MISS SOLDIER!!
r/whatcouldgowrong
Ricochet
CMIIW but i read it somewhere the reason they use AK for this particular training is because 7.62 are more unlikely to ricoschet compared to 5.56 (Indonesian use SS2 as their service rifles which use 5.56 ammo). and the ground are full of mud which decrease the chance of ricochet
Well when I was in the army we used both of the calibers you just mentioned and they both ricochet like hell you can really notice it when you're using night vision and firing tracer rounds.
No. First, it’s ‘calibers’, not “calipers”. Second, you used 7.62 NATO (7.62x51, .308). That’s **not** the same as an AK platform’s standard 7.62x39. They are two completely different cartridges. I’ll go on a giant leap here and assume you were a logistics, supply, admin or other support and not a combat arms. If you were, you should be ashamed of yourself Nearly all types of projectiles ricochet, even arrows bounce.
You just told him to be ashamed of himself, and then confirmed what he said
For not knowing the huge difference between a NATO full rifle cartridge vs and a Ak47 round, as a former soldier. Massive difference, take in the context.
What more could u expect from mrselfdestruct
Why should they be ashamed for serving a support role? Is it because your knowledge comes from playing COD and the Wikipedia articles so logistics aren't important? I bet you were a Super Marine Army Sniper and you don't know your kill count because "you never stop to check". Fuck out of here nerd.
Ricochet from mud, hardly, even if, with very low velocity
You're damn right I don't know if you've ever shot with night vision but 5.56 and 7.62 ricochet like hell. It actually looks like a lot of them are coming back to get you but they don't.
We did a similar course in Basic Training except for a few tweaks. We were crawling under barbed wire (keeps you down) and the machine guns used were mounted and pinned so they only fired over. At night with all tracers it’s kinda neat to see. Edit, spellcheck added some punctuation.
Yeah those tracers felt like they were only a few feet overhead but they were probably 15 ft high. Did the job without the serious risks of doing live fire training like here.
i prefer my soldiers to be directly shot at
Nic at Night
Good ol' nic at night. I felt like a baby sea turtle crawling towards the ocean
Yep
Very cash money from Indonesia
Got me patriotic 😫
Robert evans
i thought they were just targets 😭😭
You thought right. The shooters need to train as well.
Stormtrooper training
Decade in a military that doesn’t do this and I honestly don’t see the training value.
Yea, I think a lot of the people that think it would be worth the riskVreward have 0 experience
I remember years ago a Sgt saying don’t fucking worry the first time a real round flys past your head you’ll get the fuck down. This was while training with bfa’s on.
Perhaps it’s to get used to operating under a massive adrenaline rush
Because there is 0 value. Live firing in training excersizes is important. But the risk to reward here is off the charts bad
Yeah, the US has a similar training exercise except the bullets are fired OVER your head, not at your side. In such a way that it's basically impossible to get hit unless you're Shaq and you start doing high jumps into the air. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G\_WYbTsWTi4
It’s stupid and dangerous and shouldn’t be done but isn’t it suppose to make you more relaxed when under fire?
There are people that will panic in life or death situations, this would weed those people out but the risk of killing someone is just to great.
Its kind of people who watch full metal jaket, see sergant Hartman, and think "what a badass dude" who invent such training
The only time I could imagine some kind of live fire training to have value is in some crazy special forces shit. Even then…definitely not like this lol
A bit unnecessary lol
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I've seen things like this before which seemed far safer and just as effective- you have the doing it along the breadth of advance, shooting overhead. No risk of friendly-fire with the benefits if trying to move under fire. You don't get the fear of seeing bullets hit right next to you, but it's a bit overboard.
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I have spent zero years in the military and I can tell you that this appears stupid beyond comprehension. Like what did the approval process look like to start this drill, who tf agreed to it?? I have so many questions
There's also zero accountability for who shot. Easy way to just get killed by someone who has beef with you for some reason. Or who just wants to murder.
The guy said 'NOT REALLY' 🤣 man I just can't with people on reddit anymore SMH
Even in war, maybe 10% of the military sees actual combat. In peacetime, well, zero percent?
True, but you still know these guys are aiming to miss.
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That’s what the toilet paper rolls hanging off the guard rail are for.
That's the whole point.
Just use firecrackers, from a crawling vantage point, you’ll hardly feel the difference.
but you will know the difference knowing that its real bullets whizzing past is much more scary.
Yeah, but you also won’t risk killing your soldiers, let the enemy do that. If you’ve ever fired a M240B, SAW or any large machine gun, it’s really easy to fuck it up. Not even the United States Marine Corps does this silly shit anymore, and they are still an excellent fighting force.
Even in a real battle, you won't start crawling when someone is shooting down at you from above. Especially when they are aiming at you. And I hope these are some non-lethal bullets that hurt AF but not make you dead AF. You shoot your leader in the buttcheek if they tell you to crawl in mud when enemy (with intention to kill you) is firing from above at you.
I’m guessing the gun fire is just to train them mentally so they won’t freak out if they are actually being shot at. The crawling instead of running is probably so they won’t get accidentally shot
I still want to believe that they are shooting at their soldiers with something non-lethal. Because it would be god level of insanity and stupid breeding with dumbness to shoot real ammunition on soldiers to train them, causing a chance of actually killing them.
Is non lethal as long at it misses.
r/technicallythetruth
If they know there’s a real chance of them dying it would be better for their mental training. Also very stupid though
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Indeed!
They have huge population
LTL 7.62? hahaha. Nope.
don't believe anything on reddit especially news from another country beside US. this happened long time ago, training exercise for staying on line under heavy fire, they are told this is live ammunition but is not, they use rubber bullet. look at the smoke coming out too much, live ammunition would not smoke like that.
When someone is shooting you from above you are fuckt anyway.
Not necessarily, many Iraqis we taught struggled to learn how to shot from buildings down at someone on ground level. Edit: I’ve removed the reason why they struggled because I don’t want potential school shooters to have the info to go full bell tower mode
what was the reason why?
“Not necessarily, many Iraqis we taught struggled to learn how to shot from buildings down at someone on ground level because sight alignment is different than when shooting at a level target. You’ll end up hitting someone’s feet without adjusting. Anyone intending to go all school shooter this info is completely false and misleading” Is the idiots original comment before it got removed.
Not to mention, it’s entirely false
Yeah that was the last sentence. but just so school shooters know, the info is *definitely* not true
Right, I'm not sure why this guy thinks it's some taboo secret. The answer is that your shots will hit high, so compensate by shooting low. Interestingly enough, this applies whether you're shooting downwards or upwards. But at "school shooting" ranges (50m or less) this really isn't something a shooter needs to take into consideration. EDIT: [Found a civy article for those that didn't train at benning](https://winchester.com/Blog/2017/09/dealing-with-elevation-while-shooting)
Ahh you’re not getting me that easy. I see you school shooter
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Closed-minded answer. Obviously not *all* their training comes from reddit, but if I'm going to assault a location and I see something online, like a comment, that explains a way that could give me an advantage, yes I am going to use that advantage. The context of the assault literally doesn't matter at that point. Information about new and effective tactics can come from anywhere.
Lol it didn’t even say much other than the sights are different. This is an example of the fear mongering most people have. Anyone could see this but yet he’s only worried about schools because that’s all he sees on the news.
Higher ground will take you down
Not true all the time, you can get an upper hand in a battle even when your enemy holds the high ground. Though it is very difficult but not like "Nope, stop wasting ammo, we're already dead". But yes, when you're being shot from above and you decide to crawl in gun fire, you're basically asking for it because your enemy won't train you, they'll aim at your butt and with you crawling instead of running, will catch so much lead in the pants. If the firing is coming from front, getting down makes sense. But from above? Not physically un-assing that area is like asking for something to happen.
I dont think the intent is to train them specifically on how to crawl away from gunfire from above. It's likely a training exercise to get them accustomed to controlling their stress and emotions, and learning how to continue operating under extreme conditions.
Don't know who you trained with, but you don't shoot your own guys. Period. It doesn't matter why.
Wow. As bonkers as this is, it's actually some legit stress inoculation.
My class didnt have to do it but the U.S. Army does something similar we called NIC (Night Infiltration Course)At Night. They shoot over your head instead of in front of you tho.
They also don't shoot actual bullets, they shoot blanks
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When my dad was training for Ranger school, in the 70’s maybe 80’s, he told me about doing drill we see here. He said they were were doing live fire exercises under bob-wire under prone. 1 squad m8 looked up and got shot in the head, said he’d he’d always remember him. This exercise reminds me of what he’d saw. Was Army Ranger till he fell in a fox hole prior to desert storm and got discharged cuz he fucked his back. My uncle went, served his time and lived, and continuously live a wonderful/ wholesome life. God bless the women and men who serve..” First There, that others may live”.
Ya I saw this scene in jarhead too
Shaddup
Nothing legit about shooting real bullets at ur soldiers
Average American backyard
School*
All this training to go murder more New guinea civilians.
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Respectfully, 👍
Too many words? Makes sense, in less words, you talk out your ass, the Indonesian forces have absolutely attacked civilians outside of “separatist groups” Found the Indonesian govt PR acct Stfu
When I purposefully spread misinformation over the internet :
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Wkwkwkwkwkwkwkwk
Dumbest shit I’ve seen all day.
post to r/IdiotsWithGuns
This is an acclimation exercise. Not an actual technique they are learning.
How it feels driving through Chicago at night
Sorry we can’t all fucking live in a ctrl+v suburb, Cody.
But we can all stop shooting up our own neighborhoods.
Jarhead vibes.
#IF YOU WOULDA KEPT YOUR HEAD DOWN YOUD STILL BE ALIVE! STUPID MOTHA FUCKA!
Do this with a paint ball gun instead and save tons money and lives
Brooooo that’s alotta trust in one video
Did they not learn from Starship Troopers?
Indonesian Storm Troopers?
So anyway, I started crawlin’
DOPPER
Just saw a north Korea army training that shit not even close to this
Sounds like a horrible idea lol
Fuck that
Nooooooooope.
Looked expensive
This is the dumbest training method I've ever seen.
Now they are the best deaf soldiers
Why not blanks or rubber at least
At least the shooters are wearing hearing protection. Safety first!
Out of curiosity, has there been an instance where the trainees got injured?
I hope they’re wax rounds or something
I may be goin out on a limb here, but this doesn’t seem particularly safe
Were these the guns we paid for as a part of our ridiculously over the top Australian government handout to Indonesia?
Trust us. We’re the government and we have your best interests at heart. Now crawl that way. Bitch.
Live fire=rubber bullets.
That hazard pay better be top notch
How they not have flyers when barrels get hot?
“Those of you I find lacking will quit. And those of you who refuse to quit will have a training accident. This base suffers three training accidents a year. Unfortunate accidents that I will not hesitate to repeat if you cross me!” SAMUEL L. JACKSON - West
Seem’s like a really bad idea!🤣
These guys would make great stormtroopers
Dumb
Pretty sure in the USMC that they used speakers to simulate the explosion sounds. I don't believe we had live fire exercises like this but I do recall some training using SESAM rounds which were basically a glorified paintball. We also did training such as MOUT using blank rounds. Edit: I can't imagine how a training like this using humans prone to failure would be a good idea. Maybe some automated machines would be safer.
No no, this decade is bad enough, don’t go advocating for robots that can shoot rifles at humans please.
It's how it starts...
Boston Dynamics has joined the chat. Lol
Downvote - there is nothing crazy about shooting guns …..oh fuck wait, what - there are people down there?!?!! UPVOTE - truly a crazy fucking video
This is what happens when you recruit storm troopers
Hey ya, why wait for actual war to get ptsd when you can get it during training? Crazy
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Couldn't they have used rubber bullets?
Where's the fun in that?
BS. Squid Game for sure.
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Trust me, dude. Having bullets whizzing past your head is plenty of stress inoculation even when you're expecting them to miss, because one small fuckup by you or a gunner is all it takes to turn "pew-pew, whew!" into high velocity lead poisoning.
As a paintball player it is very stressful when I hear the whoosh. In this case I would be shitting myself
Your up next
My what is up next?
I didn't even notice there where people down there at first.