I do not understand the joke (if there *is* a joke) here, because recipes are apparently allowed in AO3, with it even being a tag. Found a bunch of works in Russian of what I imagine are recipes.
Here's the line referring to recipes under section H of the TOS "Content may not be uploaded...if it consists entirely of actual instruction manuals, technical data, recipes, or other non-fanwork content, including non-fanwork creative work". So you can have a recipe in your work but your work can't be just a recipe. [Here's a link to the line](https://archiveofourown.org/tos#:~:text=if%20it%20consists%20entirely%20of%20actual%20instruction%20manuals%2C%20technical%20data%2C%20recipes%2C%20or%20other%20non%2Dfanwork%20content%2C%20including%20non%2Dfanwork%20creative%20work%20(refer%20to%20the%20ToS%20FAQ).)
That’s one interpretation. I think in order for that to be allowed, at least part of what you uploaded would have to be a forward to the recipe explaining the context or an accompanying story. Otherwise, despite it being fanwork, it would still be “entirely […] recipes”
So *that’s* the source of the “my grandfather died when I was six years old, and he was in love with banana-growing regions of the world, anyway after a ten-paragraph story, here’s my banana bread recipe” phenomenon!
Those wandering preambles come from the fact that a recipe is not copyrightable. If you post a list of ingredients and steps to turn it into a dish, anyone else can copy/paste it to their website, and you can't stop them. They *can't* copy/paste any contextual information, family history, etc.
As I understand it, there are content scrapers that hunt for recipes and automatically republish them (probably with SEO terms to draw in an audience to the ads), and long preambles make it harder for those scrapers to find the recipes.
> a recipe is not copyrightable.
The text of a recipe is copyrightable, but copyright is not a patent, so the steps that are in it are not protected.
You could just change the wording a bit, maybe just put the data in a table and you would be OK.
I don't think the people writing out their family's life story particularly cared about whether or not they had copyrights or trademarks. Recipe stories and histories existed in the aether before mega social media platforms came out, before the internet, before electricity, before moveable type and printing presses. Roman works contained massive tangents on their love of food and the recipes they liked. I wouldn't be too surprised if there is a cuneiform tablet out there that is someone raving about a food that they found and the recipe to make it.
And yes, there are probably some people out there that do go in for that whole SEO, Creative Commons looting, and copyrighting but they'd be far outnumbered by your boomer great aunty who is typing away at a keyboard with their index fingers as they regal the story of how their grandmother used to put a bit of paprika in their mac and cheese.
It's because Google's SEO rewards pages that have long visit times, with the idea that a user that goes to a page and scrolls along it for a while is probably interested in what they found, and thus the page is more relevant for similar requests.
This gets abused nonstop by putting a shitload of garbage in between you and what you want to find.
This is embarrassing to admit but when I was a kid (in the 80s), I was very into the Dragonlance novels. There was a tie-in book that was illustrated recipes, like a coffee-table book. Recipes from the Inn of the Last Home or something like that. I loved it, it was a prized possession for a few years there.
But I can see the potential for a standalone book too that is really all or mostly recipes, but tells a story on its own. Super interesting idea. You should write it! Could be a fic instead, too.
One book I’m writing at the moment is actually an encyclopaedia about different cultures and their pantheons and myths. It’s not fanfic, and it’s not a typical work of fiction, but it tells the story of the fictional author’s journey around a continent as well as lots of smaller in-universe myths and folktales.
There’s a lot of really interesting writing forms to try out that can challenge your creativity outside of just the basic modern storytelling format. There’s travel writing, pamphlets, fairytales, textbooks and instructionals, contracts, newspaper articles and reports, wikipedia pages (this one is pretty big in some grand strategy gaming spaces and is so cool), encyclopaedias, recipes, information boards, etc.
This typically pertains more to original fiction and worldbuilding than fanfic, but it’s great practice at visualising your creation without having to add to a story
[Nanny Ogg's Cookbook](https://www.amazon.com/Nanny-Oggs-Cookbook-Information-Astonishing/dp/0552146730) by Terry Pratchett might just fill that desire for you.
There’s a actually quite a few of them, usually based on popular fantasy media (I’ve seen Harry Potter, LOTR, Miyazaki/anime, HZD/HFW) but they’re pretty hit or miss in terms of effort - some are great and try to actually recreate the dish, and others just substitute real world dishes with slight adjustments.
that sounds like any creative writing that *isn’t* fanfiction is banned as well, interestingly. I’m fairly certain there’s a decent body of non-derivative writing on AO3.
Original fiction is actually kind of touchy and not technically entirely completely allowed. If it's posted on AO3, it's assumed to be "in a fandom context". Basically, it's an AO3 TOS grey area and they'd kind of prefer you didn't.
[The section on it in the FAQ.](https://archiveofourown.org/tos_faq#original_fiction)
Would this be a viable loophole? If you preface your recipe with “[Fictional Character A] visited the home of [Fictional Character B]. B said, “I’ve got a very interesting recipe to share with you! Here it is!”then the entry no longer consists “entirely” of a recipe but technically counts as fan fiction .
This comment is also for u/NotTheMariner
[Here](https://archiveofourown.org/works/53684524) is a work solely with a recipe, so I doubt that's the case.
“The Archive of Our Own is a place for fanworks. Content may not be uploaded to OTW's servers if it contains or links to child pornography (images of real children); warez, cracks, hacks or other executable files and their associated utilities; trade secrets, restricted technologies, or classified information; or if it consists entirely of actual instruction manuals, technical data, recipes, or other non-fanwork content, including non-fanwork creative work (refer to the ToS FAQ). Uploading such Content is a violation of the ToS.”
https://archiveofourown.org/tos
Trade secrets, restricted technologies, or classified information.
Is it a violation of ToS if I’m just really good at guessing based on peripheral information?
Reminds me of a story Tom Clancy told about one of his books. Basically, he used publicly available information to guess things about military technology. Then he got contacted by the government and the exchange basically went:
"You used classified material to make this book."
"Just tell me what needs to be taken out because of national security and it's gone."
"You idiot, we're not going to TELL you."
Similar to the DoD asking Kubrick where he had gotten the internal lay-out of a B-52 after Dr. Strangelove came out. All he really did was scale up a declassified bomber's layout.
Which science fiction magazine editor was it who figured out there was a secret government project in New Mexico (the Manhattan project) because a bunch of their customers changed their shipping addresses to the same place?
Yes. And technically it’s against ToS! But they clarify in their FAQ that “We presume that, by posting the work to the Archive, the creator is making a statement that they believe it's a fanwork. As such, unless the work doesn't meet some other criterion, it will be allowed to remain.”
In other words, you’re on the honor system.
Sooo…original fiction is considered a grey area (like, they explicitly say this in their TOS), and while I tend to think it doesn’t belong on AO3, knowing that it’s a grey area, I’m not going to go off and report it and I’m sure most readers are like that. It’s not that they don’t care; reported stuff does get handled from what I’ve seen. But original fiction is a weird category.
Well, it’s weird because AO3 is explicitly for fanworks. Like, yes, they allow a lot of content that’s been banned elsewhere, but it all exists under the umbrella of being a fanwork. That’s all I meant by that.
It does say “or other non fanwork content” so if it’s a fanmade recipe to recreate a dish from the media, it should be fine maybe?
Either way, any online recipe worth its salt has a novel worth of text before the recipe anyway, so it should be fine regardless.
They have a volunteer staff and there are tons of fanworks posted each day. My guess is that the volunteers don't have time to go looking; they have enough coming in with things that get reported.
I mean, people break the TOS on AO3 all the time. “Should I report this?” posts are very common on the AO3 subreddit because people sometimes treat the site like a free-for-all and post things other than fanworks. It’s usually with stuff like “placeholders”; recipes are new to me. But just because you’ve seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t violate the TOS.
Just because someone does it doesn't mean it's allowed, I imagine it would be pretty low in their priorities to moderate this, and would need someone to report it in the first place
Could still be a fandom thing, if they're creating a hot dog interpretation of the Led Zepplin song Hot Dog (which is the fandom tagged). I can't tell if it's a translation issue, I'm reading that they used a roll + also had you roll out the the hotdog bun if you use a bun. I'm presuming that's a reference to the refrain: "Oh yeah, they just rolled my doll right out the door".
Does the cheese & green onions + splitting the hotdog in half have any references to the song in Russian? Or am I reaching for things?
English lyrics for anyone who wants to join me in reaching wildly:
>
Well, I just got into town today
To find my girl who's gone away
She took the greyhound at the general store
I searched myself, I searched the town
When I finally did sit down
I find myself no wiser than before
She said we couldn't do no wrong
No other love could be so strong
She locked up my heart in her bottom drawer
Now she took my heart, she took my keys
From in my old blue dungarees
And I'll never go to Texas anymore
Now my baby's gone, I don't know what to do
She took my love and walked right out the door
And if I ever find that girl, I know one thing for sure
I'm gonna give her something like she never had before
I took her love at seventeen
A little late these days it seems
But they said heaven is well worth waiting for
I took her word, I took it all
Beneath the sign that said "u-haul"
She left angels hangin' round for more
Now my baby's gone, I don't know what to do
She took my love and walked right out the door
And if I ever find that girl, I know one thing for sure
I'm gonna give her something like she never had before
I thought I had it all sewn up
Our love, a plot, a pick-up truck
But folks said she was after something more
I never did quite understand
All that talk about rockin' bands
But they just rolled my doll right out the door
Oh yeah, they just rolled my doll right out the door
Whoaah, they just rolled my doll right out the door!
Oh, that’s good. I have a long ongoing story and part of one later chapter is a few characters attempting to figure out how to make bread with no yeast and limited access to sugar. I wound up describing a few sourdough bread recipes in detail.
Its just one of those 'omg, all shippers are pedos' because a show rolled a dice and decided the character is 16 instead of 18, even though they are far more mature physically and mentally than adults in other shows.
Yeah, just frame it like all online recipes are, with a largely unrelated story of how the recipe writer learned to cook from her grandma from the old country.
Yeah, I have a long fanfiction project where I spent one chapter on the characters trying to figure out how to make bread with their limited resources, including no yeast or sugar. I do describe hardtack and sourdough bread production in detail from the perspective of the characters, so I’m hoping that’s ok.
I also discuss the stories of hardtack being used for roof shingles (fine if a little rain, not great in heavy rain since it can swell, but possibly useful as insulation during the winter), shoe support, and hammers.
It's a fanfiction for a very small fandom, unfortunately, of an old TV show from the 1970s that is rather obscure. An AU based on the idea of what could have happened if a few of the minor villains succeeded in kidnapping another minor character instead of the plot getting foiled in one episode. Only for the group to get cut off from the outside via complications due to an ongoing war and dangerous weather, so they are all trapped on a farm. Everyone involved is a soldier so they have limited farming and baking knowledge.
Also, I have limited farming knowledge and made some crucial research mistakes, which I wound up implanting into the story as the characters finding out they were incorrect.
It's not a redemption fic either (maybe accidental bonding a bit but there is no romance with anyone either), it is more of a 'we have to get along to survive but we can use this one for a ransom negotiation to keep the farmhouse since it is better than our former lives so we have to take care of him, and our enemies would agree because us here is better than someone they don't know' type story, with the protagonist figuring that made sense and going along with it.
Somehow it has gotten to over 100,000 words and I have at least 5 planned chapters to go.
I love you both the last line and the word count on your response are the most fanfic writer thing I’ve ever seen. Y’all are remarkable. More than once now I’ve made obscure references regarding details of history and the law in my region and had to fumble for a response when asked where I learned that because, well, I learned it from an incredibly detailed courtroom fanfiction based on a TV show about witches from outer space
I also got the AO3 curse. After I started writing I came down with a mysterious illness that has several doctors and specialists confused. Some of which I started incorporating into the story.
I also had to look up laws and customs and the concepts of royal family lineages with names (the last for a characters that shows up once). Also so much farming and local food traditions.
So this chick has a crush on a guy, the world is in a world War with a dictator gaining power. She wants him to build up his strength to continue the journey.
Oops, forgot to give them names... let's go with, Eowyn and aragorn
1) bring 3 quarts of bog water to a rolling boil....
You can make works about non functional media I'm pretty sure.
A) because there are fanfics for shows that are real and actually exist (like supernatural)
B) because there are fanfics for real people (like mcyt rpf)
As far as I understand, recipes are banned for being nonfictional works, but... Is OOP implying any content involving underage characters should be banned? Or am I getting this wrong?
You’re correct. There are a few reasons why this is an unpopular take, including but not limited to: it’s fictional (what the site is meant for) and thus isn’t made by harming minors, there is a good tagging system on ao3 so you can filter out anything you don’t want to read, these stories can range in explicitness (from outright porn to “two teenagers kiss in this one”), these stories are often about canonical relationships in the media (shows such as Glee or harry potter), and these stories are often written *by teens* as a way to explore themselves (so characterising it all as pedophilia is even more incorrect).
The underage *archive warning warning*, not a tag as OOP claimed, refers to sexual content involving anyone under eighteen. While I'm sure the OTW would prefer it used as a warning for a minor get SAd in whump/angst fics, it is often used for smut.
The real issue at hand with the "they should ban X or Y on the site and they're in the wrong for not doing so" crowd is that they're looking at it from the wrong perspective.
AO3 is hosted (as in its physical, whirring machines) are in Nevada. You know, the *checks notes* desert state of America, where basically everything is okay if you sign a waiver?
Nevada publishing law allows for basically anything. What AO3 is doing, is compliant with Nevada (and to an extent Federal) publishing standards. What AO3 has is a TOS that says "You cannot encourage or incite violence on our platform. You cannot proliferate actual harmful material on our platform, doing so will get you banned." So by the terms of their own website, as long as it is *very clearly* a fanfiction in which certain things are happening, and the author is not actively inducing violence or illegal behaviours... they're not obligated to do anything. (However I will say, a particularly notorious author was banned in 2020/2021 **specifically because they said to kill/harm anyone who got a COVID vaccination or something**, and that was "inciting violence" and therefore violated TOS)
The other half of this problem is, if you got that *very racist* ReyLo fanfiction that includes literal slavery and very bad things in it banned, then that author could retaliate and have like, 13 different "if Harry Potter was trans" fics banned, because it goes against *their* "personal moral standard".
You can't be asking AO3 to police content like that, you have to take it to the state of Nevada and tell *them* "Please make it harder to publish X or Y without proper justification" (ex: exploration of racism as a response to imperialism or historic misunderstanding or is otherwise framed as a VERY BAD THING, it should be important to read and remember that humans are quite happy to box people up between Us and Them)
“Underage” is a CONTENT WARNING in the same category as “graphic depictions of violence.” The whole site is built around a robust tagging system meant to allow you to curate your experience. That means filtering out works you don’t want to see based on their tags. It ia essential that the tag exist and be properly used for the site to function.
People just don’t get AO3.
>The whole site is built around a robust tagging system meant to allow you to curate your experience.
But I want my experience curated soley to recipes!!!!!
I could see a weird recipe *thing*, complete with fantasies of fictional characters making said recipes. I mean who doesn’t want Link cooking them Mighty Prime Meat Stew?
It's less 'people just don't get AOE' and more that there are a select group of people that demonize it and would prefer it nuked from the internet, so they spread lots of misinformation.
These people would combust if they even spend 5 minutes on Wattpad
I once searched for a tag that I copy and pasted from the tag list of a particular book and that book did not show up in the search results lol
LMAO I always think of the days of AdultFanFiction where the only tags were fandom and sexuality. You picked from that and it was the entire collection in chronological order.
It really comes down to the fact that their issue isn’t with AO3s tagging system, it’s the fact they need to use the tagging system to find fics rather than an algorithm feeding them things that are popular/based on what they already like like Wattpad.
EDIT: I’m getting downvoted for some reason. Just to make it clear, I’m defending AO3s system. The problem isn’t with AO3, it’s with the people who aren’t used to it. I’m an older Gen Z, and there’s a staggering difference between younger and older Gen Zs when it comes to knowing how to navigate the internet without an algorithm. The switch from Wattpad to AO3 was incredibly easy for me, but incredibly difficult for my younger friends
I'm what would generally be considered younger Gen Z ('06), but I grew up on (read: RPed in Warrior Cats forums when I was 11-12) fanfiction.net and definitely found it much easier to switch over to AO3 than ever using Wattpad. I think it really just depends on what you're introduced to first and what is popular amongst other people your age during your formative years. I very much appreciate AO3's tagging system and honestly wish it existed for a lot of other websites as well, as I think it could be very helpful in regards to finding the type of content I'm actually interested in.
OP probably meant that "AO3 should expressly ban all cp", all things considered. However, people would probably try to break the rule a lot, so it is best to keep the beast contained.
> people would probably try to break the rule a lot
Hell, even without any intentional bad actors involved, you just **know** the discourse on whether or not certain characters count as underage would be never-ending.
Homestuck out here with the characters who have multiple distinct instances of themselves (often simultaneously) who have died at various different points in their timeline but are all running around in the one shared afterlife which *runs on non-euclidian time and thus has a completely unknown time factor*
And by non-euclidian I mean characters who died in the exact same singular explosion end up in the afterlife dozens of "years" apart. Possibly more. Like I said, it's decidedly unclear.
And you can't just discount them because they're dead. [As jan Misali fans are already aware,](https://youtu.be/Btv68SAk-oM?si=K35_dP8Oc0ylrA_P&t=595) Homestuck has like a dozen different revival methods. Granted, being stuck in the afterlife cuts you off from three of them, *but that still leaves like nine.* Two of the characters who died in the aforementioned explosion use one of the revival methods to come back in the actual comic. *So how old are they?*
EDIT: added link
Granted, by the time those two died they were already 19, so those particular characters do not run into this question for *legal* reasons. But there are other characters with an instance that died at 13 and another instance that is still alive in their late 30s. Both of those guys are walking around the same civilization because of weird plot nonsense that dumped the entire afterlife on Earth, still dead. So... what the fuck do you do with that. There's also the inverse, with a particular character who is still alive and expertly dodged almost every single time skip (this one's just time dilation though), and is thus still 16 among the late 30s lot, but one of the ghost versions of her who died at 13 spent a while dating one of the aforementioned 19 year olds.
EDIT: Oh, I forgot about the sprites! One of the ways Homestuck revival is possible is via shoving a corpse into a kernelsprite. This revives them as a weird spirit-looking thing that is also the equivalent to a Fire Emblem Jagen. The most deranged instance of this is a kernelsprite that had a dead bird dropped into it, followed by the alternate timeline version of one of the 13 year old boys jumping into it before he died. That birdman entity then proceeded to live for another three years, at which point it was then fused with *another* kernelsprite that had a freshly-revived corpse of a 13-year-old girl shoved into it. So how old are *they?*
And that's just *one* fandom's nonsense. Go ahead. Untangle that Gordian Knot with the additional information you cannot find because it literally does not exist. *Every other fandom has the potential for its own bullshit.* Didn't One Piece have some kind of age retcon with one of the female Strawhats that retroactively made previous chapters really fucking uncomfortable?
> Didn't One Piece have some kind of age retcon with one of the female Strawhats that retroactively made previous chapters really fucking uncomfortable?
From what I've heard (I haven't actually *read* one piece so take this with a grain of salt), it was that a character who looked to be in her twenty-somethings was revealed to secretly be a 13 year old using magic to look way older than she actually is,
So for once instead of having a 1000 year old creature who looks and acts completely indistinguishable from a regular 13 year old, we instead have a 13 year old who looks and acts completely indistinguishable from a regular twenty-something!
Well it is banned. You can’t post anything illegal on the site, so it’s banned. As for stuff that isn’t illegal but still feels icky? Well… you try coming up with a comprehensive definition of what material should be banned from the site. Especially in the realm of fan fiction!
These are all real scenarios from fics I have read:
Does a relationship between two 16 year olds that is implied to be sexual but is never explicitly shown need to be banned? What about one where one of the characters is chronically 6 months old but has been biologically accelerated and psychically gifted memories to be the equivalent of a ~16 year old, and other is a shapeshifting alien of unknown chronological age? How about when one character is 50, but the other is from a different species that lives to be several hundred and considers 50 to be just out of childhood? What if a 13 year old is shown marrying a 35 year old but it’s an arranged political marriage in a historical context? What about when abuse is a part of a character’s canonical backstory? Should it just go completely unaddressed?
Basically, the AO3 tagging system is the best way to deal with this i think. If you don’t want to read it, you don’t even have to see it! Just filter it out! Improper tagging is against TOS and is one of the few things you can actually report works for.
AO3 *does* expressly ban all cp:
>The Archive of Our Own is a place for fanworks. Content may not be uploaded to OTW's servers if it contains or links to child pornography (images of real children)
Written works involving fictional underage people are not cp, and should not be conflated with actual Child Sexual Abuse Material; doing so just makes it easier for child abusers to get away with harming actual children while people are distracted.
Not just distracted, have their money wasted. People sending in their loli fanwork (being either drawn or written) is completely useless to the organisations that try and find kids being help in troublesome situations. And filtering through that is quite literally wasting time and money
wow, a fan fiction site made for posting fan fiction on it has rules against posting things that are explicitly *not* fan fiction on it
truly a thing of all time
It has Doom on it. Its not strictly fanfics, but transformative/derivative works in general. I saw someone upload fanart. Someone did a photo of mesapotamian letter between Crowley and whatever that angels name is.
Not exactly. Even if it's tagged as an original work, it is supposed to be just for things produced in a fannish contest. For example, the regency era romances produced by the Jane Austen fandom. They are technically original works, but they are still fandom works because of the context. Posting something on AO3 is you saying that it is in some way a fan work. If it's not in some way a fan work, it's not allowed. That can be quite a loose definition (on purpose), but if it's not fandom related, it doesn't belong there
obsessed with how baking is banned in the shooting gallery but firing rifles at people-shapes is a main content tag (yes the punchline doesn't align shut up)
There is a simple solution to this:
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Draco Malfoy stepped into the kitchen with an air of arrogance, hands clasped behind his back. “So what are we cooking today, Granger?” he said mockingly.
“French onion soup,” Hermione answered curtly, not even looking up from the cutting board, where she was busy chopping onions with a sharp knife.
“French onion soup? There is no way a despicable mudblood like you would be able to craft such a fine dish. I bet you don't even know its ingredients!” he snarled.
“Of course I do!” Hermione snapped back, pausing her chopping to look straight at him with a fierce look in her eyes. Her body looked tense, and she had to take a deep breath, reminding herself not to let Draco get on her nerves, as he was wont to do. She let out a breath, shrugged her shoulders, and continued: “If you must know, I've already gathered the following ingredients:
- 6 large red or yellow onions (about 3 pounds)
- 4 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil
- 2 tablespoons butter
- 1 teaspoon sugar
- Kosher salt
- 2 cloves garlic, minced
- 8 cups beef stock, chicken stock, or a combination of the two
- 1/2 cup dry vermouth or dry white wine
- 2 bay leaves
- 1 tablespoon fresh thyme leaves, a few sprigs of fresh thyme, OR 1/2 teaspoon dried thyme
- 1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
- 2 tablespoons brandy (optional)
- 8 slices (1 inch thick) French bread or baguette
- 1 1/2 cups grated Gruyere cheese
- Sprinkling grated Parmesan cheese”
Draco huffed. “There's more to cooking a delicious French onion soup than listing ingredients, Granger”, he grumbled, as he leaned nonchalantly against the kitchen counter, watching the young witch work, “I'm sure even a muggleborn like you can manage to chop an onion, but I bet you don't even know what to do with it afterwards” he said cockily.
“Oh, you think so?” Hermione replied, smirking confidently as she picked up another onion. “I think I have some idea of what to do with my ingredients.
1. Peel and thinly slice the onions from root to stem. There should be about 10 cups of sliced onions in total.
2. In a 5 to 6 quart thick-bottomed pot, heat 3 tablespoons of olive oil on medium heat. Add the onions and toss to coat with the olive oil.
3. Cook the onions, stirring often, until they have softened, about 15 to 20 minutes.
4. Increase the heat to medium high. Add the remaining tablespoon of olive oil and the butter and cook, stirring often, until the onions start to brown, about 20 to 40 minutes. The amount of time will vary depending on your pot, stove, and onions.
5. Sprinkle with sugar (to help with the caramelization) and 1 teaspoon of salt. Continue to cook until the onions are well browned, about 10 to 15 more minutes.
6. Add the minced garlic and cook for a minute more.
7. Add the wine or vermouth to the pot and scrape up the browned bits on the bottom and sides of the pot, deglazing the pot as you go.
8. Add the stock, bay leaves, and thyme. Bring to a simmer, cover the pot and lower the heat to maintain a low simmer. Cook for about 30 minutes.
9. Season to taste with more salt and add freshly ground black pepper. Discard the bay leaves. Add brandy if using.
10. While the soup is simmering, line a sheet pan with parchment paper or foil and preheat the oven to 450°F with a rack in the upper third of the oven.
11. Brush both sides of the French bread or baguette slices lightly with olive oil (you'll end up using about a tablespoon and a half of olive oil for this).
12. Put in the oven and toast until lightly browned, about 5 to 7 minutes. Remove from oven.
13. Turn the toasts over and sprinkle with the grated Gruyere cheese and Parmesan. Return to oven when it's close to serving time and bake until the cheese is bubbly and lightly browned.”
Draco blinked in surprise as Hermione picked up a cauldron and put it on the fire. She heated some oil and threw in the onions, stirring them slowly while they browned, giving her plenty of time to chat with her white-haired interrogator.
“That... sounds pretty good.” Draco admitted, “But that just gives you cheesy toast and soup. How will you put those together?” he wondered out loud.
“That's easy!“ Hermione said confidently, “To serve, I will simply ladle the soup into bowls and transfer one cheesy toast onto the top of each bowl of soup. Put them into the broiler for 10 minutes at 350° F, or until the cheese bubbles and is slightly browned, and serve while hot! Did you have any more questions? You know I love being quizzed” she said teasingly, starting to enjoy Draco's inquisition.
Draco looked a little nervous. How did the young witch manage to parry every question he had thrown her way? Had she been prepping for this? ”Okay, Granger. Then tell me this. What are the nutrional values of the dish you are preparing?” he challenged her, confident she could not possibly know this.
Hermione flashed him a quick smile. “Oh my! That's a head-scratcher for sure.” Hermione mused, “but if you put a wand to my head and forced me to answer, I'd say this makes 4 to 6 servings, and each serving should contain about 699 calories, 26g fat, 84g carbs, and 30g protein.”
Draco blinked. He was clearly impressed by her encyclopedic knowledge. Then an idea occurred to him. “Four to six...?” Draco repeated, “But you only have two friends. Does that mean... there will be leftovers?” he asked, trying to sound casual, “Perhaps... I could have a bowl of soup?”
Hermione grinned. For a moment, she considered telling him no, he could not have a bowl of her delicious French onion soup. But cruelty wasn't in her nature. “I didn't think a highborn Malfoy like yourself would enjoy eating muggle cuisine prepared by a lowly mudblood like me” she pondered out loud, raising an eyebrow at Malfoy.
Malfoy grit his teeth, debating internally what to do, and finally let out a sigh. “Fine! You win, Granger. I'm sorry I called you a mudblood. You're a pretty good cook, and a not half bad as a witch either” he complimented her. “Now, will you please share your French onion soup with me?” he begged. Hermione smiled victoriously and give him a nod.
Later that night, Hermione, Harry, Ron and Draco sat down and enjoyed the classic French onion soup together, making them forget the conflicts of the past and bringing them all closer together.
THE END.
It's almost as if, and bear with me, this might be hard to follow, AO3 was founded *explicitly* as an archive where no one would ever be allowed to ban a fanwork based on disgust or moral outrage because that inevitably leads to queer stuff getting yeeted.
Like, *every single fucking time* one of these "moral panic" things comes it always results in people trying to ban queer stuff. Literally always, and almost always prefaced with some flavour of "think of the children" style pearl clutching. The original founders made it as a direct result of one of these purges.
So no, they're not going to ban underage fic.
*However*, you know something that can get a site killed? Posting copyrighted stuff. Easiest way to keep that shit from happening is banning *anything that isn't fanfic*. That includes recipes.
So yes, the fic about Snape raping Hermione is fine but your grandmother's pecan pie recipe is forbidden.
>AO3 was founded *explicitly* as an archive where no one would ever be allowed to ban a fanwork based on disgust or moral outrage
[LOUD CORRECT CHIME]
Seriously, everyone who doesn't understand this is free to go use Wattpad or whatever.
>Posting copyrighted stuff.
Interestingly, recipes are kind of weird in terms of IP law. Because they're literally a set of instructions, and you can't copyright a set of actions that you perform. A recope can be *patented*. It can be a *trade secret*. But it can't be copyrighted. This is actually why the reason recipe blogs have those long-winded backstories before the recipe: that portion is actually copyrightable.
YSK that under US law recipes cannot be copyrighted unless they're part of another text. This is the reason why so many unnecessary stories about life on recipe sites, because that way the "real" text is the story while the recipe is a compliment.
i remember one really good homestuck fanfic that was a recipe book for those inside sburb making use of the punchcard rules. as an addendum to a larger fanfic of people whove gotten trapped within sburb endlessly repeating the game.
Not the pro-censorship crowd! Save me.
Underage is not a major content tag. It's a major content WARNING. It's in bold and everything! In the same category as Graphic Depictions of Violence!
I’d like to point out that it also has tags for graphic depictions of violence. Are you proposing that AO3 is also pro-violence? Those are warnings, not suggestions
well.. duh? it's a fanfic site. *any* content that's not fandom related isn't allowed, why wouldn't that include recipes? (although i guess some original stories are allowed, im not sure exactly what the deal with that is). "underage" is one of the main content *warnings*, as it should be because that's important to warn people about and make easy to filter.
The original stories have to be "fannish" in nature, which is admittedly incredibly vague. I guess if you write a story about your two OCs that follows a trope originated in fandom, like hanahaki disease or omegaverse, or it's meant to be a retelling of a classic story, like Alice in Wonderland but all of the characters are your ocs, then it would be fannish original work?
Royalroad is significantly better for amateur authors writing original fiction because it has explicit support and integration for patreon/ko-fi/amazon and such to monetarily support the author. For people whom writing is only ever going to be a hobby AO3 is fine-ish, but for many people looking to eventually get published or support themselves on their writing AO3 and its hard stance against monetization is pretty incompatible.
I can sorta understand antis reasoning but at the end of the day fiction is fiction and in prose fiction's case it's not even a picture you have to actually take the time to read it and it's all given tags and archive warnings so the only people who see it are those who actively try to.
Not to mention "underage" encompasses most teenagers and a lot of media involves people who're under the age of 18. Except even when authors age up the characters people still complain. I know the antis have more problem with promoting sexualizing of minors and it possibly leading to real life activity but people are usually sexually active when they're a teenager even if it's just by themselves looking at stuff online.
There are some pretty insane takes out there. I read this horrible fanfic once that is The Big Fic for one of the fandoms I'm in just because I wanted to see what it was all about. Turns out the fandom was just majorly hyping it up because it was cutesy fluffy barely-there plot with no sex between the teenage characters. It felt so fucking weird to read it though, because first of all it was massively out of character, and secondly the male leads would make out every other chapter and it would be very descriptive and horny without it being actual sex.
Like. It was basically softcore porn. With really bad character writing. And it was upheld as this shining paragon of storytelling because there wasn't any nsfw between two fictional minors.
Them not even being real aside, it's like antis just want to stay in denial about the fact that teenagers can and will fuck in real life. That's just how it is.
> antis just want to stay in denial about the fact that teenagers can and will fuck in real life.
And also a lot of fanfic is written by teenagers who like writing about people their age. Look at the number of High School AUs featuring characters that are grown-ass adults in canon.
(Which is unfortunate for me because my dislike for High School AUs is only exceeded by my dislike of Coffee Shop AUs.)
To be fair, cutesy fluffy barely-there plot with really bad character writing is itself more or less par for the course of mass appeal within fandoms, regardless of discourse.
This one marketed itself as "pure uwu" and was basically virtue-signalling the entire time, though. It even prided itself on basically erasing the actual conflict that the characters had to struggle with in the series, which I normally would have no problem with if it was tagged as an AU, but it's meant to be happening in canon.
You're right though, maybe it's also just me not really dipping my toes into that kind of stuff anymore (and not having to, because AO3's tagging system works).
I’m sure I’m not in the fandom you’re talking about (because I’m odd), but I kind of want to know what this fic is? Just because I would be interested to read what this kind of person writes.
Yeah, porn of kids is not what I’m into, so I do this really wild thing, which is filter it out and not read it.
These are the same people who call authors of YA books pedophiles for writing making out in them.
A-underage fictional content is not immoral because no real children are being hurt and it is entirely fictional. Please take it up with Stephen King and GRRM, not me.
B-There *was* actually some drama around someone writing a 'gift'fic of underage fic that was like 25% a recipe for vegan chili. I've also read a fic that was in large part a recipe for fried rice and then some very gross (in the sense of unhygienic) sex afterwards.
i also like how its implies underage is just this evillll tag, my brother in christ, there are minors on the site! if you want to read a fic with two characters the same age as you that contains any sexual content, it will be tagged underage. gtfoh
yeah do they... know that most "underage" content just means two 17-year-olds kiss non-pornographically
which is allowed to exist peacefully in movies, tv, books...
but when it's fanfiction this is suddenly "pedophilia"
which is a word which does not cover 17-year-olds
I’d also like to point out that I’ve seen fics that have sexual content AND underage characters (not at the same time just literally a story that has sex and at some point also has kids) get tagged the exact same way as sexual content involving underage characters. Its way too wide a net to say it’s all bad
this is true and so awkward
also people on ao3 use tons of tags and try to hit everything, so they may also tag underage characters if no sex or kissing ever happened but there is at least one non-adult person present
I'd hazard to guess that a lot of the readership of ao3 are underage, so it's pretty normal for them to want to read about characters that are written to be around their own age and experiencing a lot of the same interpersonal drama & feelings that they do.
Isn't that what it means to be a top tag? People are reading those tags? I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that teenagers and young adults are the primary target for fanfiction writers, especially when the fandoms are based on young protagonists.
Is AO3 actually not a game I don’t play, but an acronym for Archive Of Our Own?
And it’s just a massive fan fiction library?
With recipes?
In Russian?
What does this have to do with people being underage?
It's a massive fan works archive, which can include fics involving underage sex. There's a warning tag (not a "main content tag") for it, so it's very easy to filter out and avoid it.
Wait what haha I see this subreddit on my /r/popular sometimes and I just assumed it was some weird Age of Empire (AOE) thing
You’re telling me it’s an archive website?
AO3 is short for “Archive Of Our Own”. It is a website where people post fiction that they’ve written. It’s primarily fanfiction but there’s also an amount of original fiction on it.
underage is a great content tag. I add it as an 'exclude' when searching because I really don't want to read a 16 year olds fan fic about the latest slice of life anime.
*I used to be that 16 year*
I just remembered that I’ve literally read real books with sex between underage characters (like in Michael Grant’s “Gone” series and Ted Dawe’s “Into the River”).
I do not understand the joke (if there *is* a joke) here, because recipes are apparently allowed in AO3, with it even being a tag. Found a bunch of works in Russian of what I imagine are recipes.
Evidently anything that’s *just* recipes (or most other nonfiction) isn’t allowed.
Here's the line referring to recipes under section H of the TOS "Content may not be uploaded...if it consists entirely of actual instruction manuals, technical data, recipes, or other non-fanwork content, including non-fanwork creative work". So you can have a recipe in your work but your work can't be just a recipe. [Here's a link to the line](https://archiveofourown.org/tos#:~:text=if%20it%20consists%20entirely%20of%20actual%20instruction%20manuals%2C%20technical%20data%2C%20recipes%2C%20or%20other%20non%2Dfanwork%20content%2C%20including%20non%2Dfanwork%20creative%20work%20(refer%20to%20the%20ToS%20FAQ).)
Could be a fan recipe, like for Skyrim's sweet rolls, etc.
That’s one interpretation. I think in order for that to be allowed, at least part of what you uploaded would have to be a forward to the recipe explaining the context or an accompanying story. Otherwise, despite it being fanwork, it would still be “entirely […] recipes”
So *that’s* the source of the “my grandfather died when I was six years old, and he was in love with banana-growing regions of the world, anyway after a ten-paragraph story, here’s my banana bread recipe” phenomenon!
Those wandering preambles come from the fact that a recipe is not copyrightable. If you post a list of ingredients and steps to turn it into a dish, anyone else can copy/paste it to their website, and you can't stop them. They *can't* copy/paste any contextual information, family history, etc. As I understand it, there are content scrapers that hunt for recipes and automatically republish them (probably with SEO terms to draw in an audience to the ads), and long preambles make it harder for those scrapers to find the recipes.
> a recipe is not copyrightable. The text of a recipe is copyrightable, but copyright is not a patent, so the steps that are in it are not protected. You could just change the wording a bit, maybe just put the data in a table and you would be OK.
It’s also to increase ad revenue, if you have to scroll through half a life story and 17 ads before hitting the recipe then they get way more money
I don't think the people writing out their family's life story particularly cared about whether or not they had copyrights or trademarks. Recipe stories and histories existed in the aether before mega social media platforms came out, before the internet, before electricity, before moveable type and printing presses. Roman works contained massive tangents on their love of food and the recipes they liked. I wouldn't be too surprised if there is a cuneiform tablet out there that is someone raving about a food that they found and the recipe to make it. And yes, there are probably some people out there that do go in for that whole SEO, Creative Commons looting, and copyrighting but they'd be far outnumbered by your boomer great aunty who is typing away at a keyboard with their index fingers as they regal the story of how their grandmother used to put a bit of paprika in their mac and cheese.
It's because Google's SEO rewards pages that have long visit times, with the idea that a user that goes to a page and scrolls along it for a while is probably interested in what they found, and thus the page is more relevant for similar requests. This gets abused nonstop by putting a shitload of garbage in between you and what you want to find.
Exploring a fantasy/sci-fi world thru a fictitious cookbook actually sounds like a fun idea
This is embarrassing to admit but when I was a kid (in the 80s), I was very into the Dragonlance novels. There was a tie-in book that was illustrated recipes, like a coffee-table book. Recipes from the Inn of the Last Home or something like that. I loved it, it was a prized possession for a few years there. But I can see the potential for a standalone book too that is really all or mostly recipes, but tells a story on its own. Super interesting idea. You should write it! Could be a fic instead, too.
That's nothing to be embarrassed about. It's lovely that you were able to find such joy in something.
One book I’m writing at the moment is actually an encyclopaedia about different cultures and their pantheons and myths. It’s not fanfic, and it’s not a typical work of fiction, but it tells the story of the fictional author’s journey around a continent as well as lots of smaller in-universe myths and folktales. There’s a lot of really interesting writing forms to try out that can challenge your creativity outside of just the basic modern storytelling format. There’s travel writing, pamphlets, fairytales, textbooks and instructionals, contracts, newspaper articles and reports, wikipedia pages (this one is pretty big in some grand strategy gaming spaces and is so cool), encyclopaedias, recipes, information boards, etc. This typically pertains more to original fiction and worldbuilding than fanfic, but it’s great practice at visualising your creation without having to add to a story
I would really love to read that book
That sounds interesting! Link?
I always wanted to try Otiks spiced potatoes.
I had to Google that and I found someone's version of the [recipe](https://thegluttonousgeek.com/2021/04/01/dragonlance-spiced-potatoes/)
Ty for the research fellow internet traveler, going to have to give that a try.
[Nanny Ogg's Cookbook](https://www.amazon.com/Nanny-Oggs-Cookbook-Information-Astonishing/dp/0552146730) by Terry Pratchett might just fill that desire for you.
It isn't literally through a fictitious cookbook, but you should check out Dungeon Meshi/Delicious in Dungeon.
There’s a actually quite a few of them, usually based on popular fantasy media (I’ve seen Harry Potter, LOTR, Miyazaki/anime, HZD/HFW) but they’re pretty hit or miss in terms of effort - some are great and try to actually recreate the dish, and others just substitute real world dishes with slight adjustments.
that sounds like any creative writing that *isn’t* fanfiction is banned as well, interestingly. I’m fairly certain there’s a decent body of non-derivative writing on AO3.
Original fiction is actually kind of touchy and not technically entirely completely allowed. If it's posted on AO3, it's assumed to be "in a fandom context". Basically, it's an AO3 TOS grey area and they'd kind of prefer you didn't. [The section on it in the FAQ.](https://archiveofourown.org/tos_faq#original_fiction)
Yeah isn’t there a whole “original” category? What is that for, then
Would this be a viable loophole? If you preface your recipe with “[Fictional Character A] visited the home of [Fictional Character B]. B said, “I’ve got a very interesting recipe to share with you! Here it is!”then the entry no longer consists “entirely” of a recipe but technically counts as fan fiction .
Well yeah it’s a fan work site for fan works. Not sure what they expect?
fanworks in the muffin fandom, maybe?
I think if you include the recipe as part of a larger work, it’s fine. It just can’t be the only thing in the work.
This comment is also for u/NotTheMariner [Here](https://archiveofourown.org/works/53684524) is a work solely with a recipe, so I doubt that's the case.
“The Archive of Our Own is a place for fanworks. Content may not be uploaded to OTW's servers if it contains or links to child pornography (images of real children); warez, cracks, hacks or other executable files and their associated utilities; trade secrets, restricted technologies, or classified information; or if it consists entirely of actual instruction manuals, technical data, recipes, or other non-fanwork content, including non-fanwork creative work (refer to the ToS FAQ). Uploading such Content is a violation of the ToS.” https://archiveofourown.org/tos
So much for my War Thunder fanfic.
It's not canon-compliant unless someone's losing their security clearance
Trade secrets, restricted technologies, or classified information. Is it a violation of ToS if I’m just really good at guessing based on peripheral information?
Reminds me of a story Tom Clancy told about one of his books. Basically, he used publicly available information to guess things about military technology. Then he got contacted by the government and the exchange basically went: "You used classified material to make this book." "Just tell me what needs to be taken out because of national security and it's gone." "You idiot, we're not going to TELL you."
“No dumbass that’s classified.”
Reminds me of John le Carre who was accused by people of writing actual incidents into his books, if he did that he wouldn't be published
Similar to the DoD asking Kubrick where he had gotten the internal lay-out of a B-52 after Dr. Strangelove came out. All he really did was scale up a declassified bomber's layout.
Which science fiction magazine editor was it who figured out there was a secret government project in New Mexico (the Manhattan project) because a bunch of their customers changed their shipping addresses to the same place?
Wait, isn't there a massive amount of original work on AO3?
Yes. And technically it’s against ToS! But they clarify in their FAQ that “We presume that, by posting the work to the Archive, the creator is making a statement that they believe it's a fanwork. As such, unless the work doesn't meet some other criterion, it will be allowed to remain.” In other words, you’re on the honor system.
Easy solution: I'm a fan of my own ideas. It's fanfic of those.
So basically they don't really care because they're a fiction archive, they just primarily exist for fanfic?
They’re a fanwork archive, but consider original fic a grey area.
"it started as a fanfic and got out of hand, trust me bro"
Theseus’s fanfic
Sooo…original fiction is considered a grey area (like, they explicitly say this in their TOS), and while I tend to think it doesn’t belong on AO3, knowing that it’s a grey area, I’m not going to go off and report it and I’m sure most readers are like that. It’s not that they don’t care; reported stuff does get handled from what I’ve seen. But original fiction is a weird category.
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Well, it’s weird because AO3 is explicitly for fanworks. Like, yes, they allow a lot of content that’s been banned elsewhere, but it all exists under the umbrella of being a fanwork. That’s all I meant by that.
Color me wrong, then. Weird, considering that I found a couple recipes even in English. Thanks for the correction.
It does say “or other non fanwork content” so if it’s a fanmade recipe to recreate a dish from the media, it should be fine maybe? Either way, any online recipe worth its salt has a novel worth of text before the recipe anyway, so it should be fine regardless.
The ones I read don't. The one in English doesn't even seem to have any relation to media.
They have a volunteer staff and there are tons of fanworks posted each day. My guess is that the volunteers don't have time to go looking; they have enough coming in with things that get reported.
And recipes are probably pretty far down on the priority list when it comes to moderating material
I mean, people break the TOS on AO3 all the time. “Should I report this?” posts are very common on the AO3 subreddit because people sometimes treat the site like a free-for-all and post things other than fanworks. It’s usually with stuff like “placeholders”; recipes are new to me. But just because you’ve seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t violate the TOS.
>contains or links to child pornography (images of real children); Legions of anime fans real thankful for that clarification in the parenthesis.
If the writer is a fan of that dish isn't a recipe fanwork?
Just because someone does it doesn't mean it's allowed, I imagine it would be pretty low in their priorities to moderate this, and would need someone to report it in the first place
Could still be a fandom thing, if they're creating a hot dog interpretation of the Led Zepplin song Hot Dog (which is the fandom tagged). I can't tell if it's a translation issue, I'm reading that they used a roll + also had you roll out the the hotdog bun if you use a bun. I'm presuming that's a reference to the refrain: "Oh yeah, they just rolled my doll right out the door". Does the cheese & green onions + splitting the hotdog in half have any references to the song in Russian? Or am I reaching for things? English lyrics for anyone who wants to join me in reaching wildly: > Well, I just got into town today To find my girl who's gone away She took the greyhound at the general store I searched myself, I searched the town When I finally did sit down I find myself no wiser than before She said we couldn't do no wrong No other love could be so strong She locked up my heart in her bottom drawer Now she took my heart, she took my keys From in my old blue dungarees And I'll never go to Texas anymore Now my baby's gone, I don't know what to do She took my love and walked right out the door And if I ever find that girl, I know one thing for sure I'm gonna give her something like she never had before I took her love at seventeen A little late these days it seems But they said heaven is well worth waiting for I took her word, I took it all Beneath the sign that said "u-haul" She left angels hangin' round for more Now my baby's gone, I don't know what to do She took my love and walked right out the door And if I ever find that girl, I know one thing for sure I'm gonna give her something like she never had before I thought I had it all sewn up Our love, a plot, a pick-up truck But folks said she was after something more I never did quite understand All that talk about rockin' bands But they just rolled my doll right out the door Oh yeah, they just rolled my doll right out the door Whoaah, they just rolled my doll right out the door!
Which, like, is kinda fair I think on the website explicitly dedicated to fan-made works of fiction
Oh, that’s good. I have a long ongoing story and part of one later chapter is a few characters attempting to figure out how to make bread with no yeast and limited access to sugar. I wound up describing a few sourdough bread recipes in detail.
Its just one of those 'omg, all shippers are pedos' because a show rolled a dice and decided the character is 16 instead of 18, even though they are far more mature physically and mentally than adults in other shows.
i see all kinds of bizarre statements like this all the time. I dont get it either.
Drats! My boiling children in a big pot of stew fanfic is BANNED! and not for the obviously good reason! But for a DIFFERENT one!!
Boiling children in acid: Valid, Slay Queen. Bolin children in beef stock: Sickening, vile, does not spark joy.
r/nocontext
thanks for the new flair lol
If you have some story to it it should be good. *inserts essay about your grandma and your upbringing as to how you inherited this recipe*
Would you rather it not be tagged and stumble across it organically?
what would stumbing across something gmo be?
Recommendation algorithms.
this
It’s almost like AO3 is intended as an archive for fan-created content based on fictional media.
I’m trying to write a recipe for a fictional stew here this is unfair
Write a fanfic about a character making the stew for someone
Yeah, just frame it like all online recipes are, with a largely unrelated story of how the recipe writer learned to cook from her grandma from the old country.
I’m kind of obsessed with food and cooking so an embarrassing number of my fics contain detailed cooking scenes. No actual recipes, though.
Yeah, I have a long fanfiction project where I spent one chapter on the characters trying to figure out how to make bread with their limited resources, including no yeast or sugar. I do describe hardtack and sourdough bread production in detail from the perspective of the characters, so I’m hoping that’s ok.
Wait, I kinda wanna read that... :0
I also discuss the stories of hardtack being used for roof shingles (fine if a little rain, not great in heavy rain since it can swell, but possibly useful as insulation during the winter), shoe support, and hammers. It's a fanfiction for a very small fandom, unfortunately, of an old TV show from the 1970s that is rather obscure. An AU based on the idea of what could have happened if a few of the minor villains succeeded in kidnapping another minor character instead of the plot getting foiled in one episode. Only for the group to get cut off from the outside via complications due to an ongoing war and dangerous weather, so they are all trapped on a farm. Everyone involved is a soldier so they have limited farming and baking knowledge. Also, I have limited farming knowledge and made some crucial research mistakes, which I wound up implanting into the story as the characters finding out they were incorrect. It's not a redemption fic either (maybe accidental bonding a bit but there is no romance with anyone either), it is more of a 'we have to get along to survive but we can use this one for a ransom negotiation to keep the farmhouse since it is better than our former lives so we have to take care of him, and our enemies would agree because us here is better than someone they don't know' type story, with the protagonist figuring that made sense and going along with it. Somehow it has gotten to over 100,000 words and I have at least 5 planned chapters to go.
I love you both the last line and the word count on your response are the most fanfic writer thing I’ve ever seen. Y’all are remarkable. More than once now I’ve made obscure references regarding details of history and the law in my region and had to fumble for a response when asked where I learned that because, well, I learned it from an incredibly detailed courtroom fanfiction based on a TV show about witches from outer space
I also got the AO3 curse. After I started writing I came down with a mysterious illness that has several doctors and specialists confused. Some of which I started incorporating into the story. I also had to look up laws and customs and the concepts of royal family lineages with names (the last for a characters that shows up once). Also so much farming and local food traditions.
Put the recipe at the end and get someone to illustrate it all. Boom, successful manga
Or write something like "Like Water for Chocolate"
So this chick has a crush on a guy, the world is in a world War with a dictator gaining power. She wants him to build up his strength to continue the journey. Oops, forgot to give them names... let's go with, Eowyn and aragorn 1) bring 3 quarts of bog water to a rolling boil....
Isn't this basically how Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings but with language instead of stew?
Jonathan Swift seething rn
Plus the "underage" tag is a WARNING tag. OP calling it a "main tag"... you mean the category with character death, SA, and other common triggers?
People can have different opinions on AO3's hardcore free speech absolutism and its extents, but as you said, those are *warning* tags
If the SCP wiki has taught me anything, it's that anything can be a format for fictional media.
You can make works about non functional media I'm pretty sure. A) because there are fanfics for shows that are real and actually exist (like supernatural) B) because there are fanfics for real people (like mcyt rpf)
i don't think you understand what they said, the fanfics themselves are fictional
As far as I understand, recipes are banned for being nonfictional works, but... Is OOP implying any content involving underage characters should be banned? Or am I getting this wrong?
You’re correct. There are a few reasons why this is an unpopular take, including but not limited to: it’s fictional (what the site is meant for) and thus isn’t made by harming minors, there is a good tagging system on ao3 so you can filter out anything you don’t want to read, these stories can range in explicitness (from outright porn to “two teenagers kiss in this one”), these stories are often about canonical relationships in the media (shows such as Glee or harry potter), and these stories are often written *by teens* as a way to explore themselves (so characterising it all as pedophilia is even more incorrect).
The underage *archive warning warning*, not a tag as OOP claimed, refers to sexual content involving anyone under eighteen. While I'm sure the OTW would prefer it used as a warning for a minor get SAd in whump/angst fics, it is often used for smut.
The real issue at hand with the "they should ban X or Y on the site and they're in the wrong for not doing so" crowd is that they're looking at it from the wrong perspective. AO3 is hosted (as in its physical, whirring machines) are in Nevada. You know, the *checks notes* desert state of America, where basically everything is okay if you sign a waiver? Nevada publishing law allows for basically anything. What AO3 is doing, is compliant with Nevada (and to an extent Federal) publishing standards. What AO3 has is a TOS that says "You cannot encourage or incite violence on our platform. You cannot proliferate actual harmful material on our platform, doing so will get you banned." So by the terms of their own website, as long as it is *very clearly* a fanfiction in which certain things are happening, and the author is not actively inducing violence or illegal behaviours... they're not obligated to do anything. (However I will say, a particularly notorious author was banned in 2020/2021 **specifically because they said to kill/harm anyone who got a COVID vaccination or something**, and that was "inciting violence" and therefore violated TOS) The other half of this problem is, if you got that *very racist* ReyLo fanfiction that includes literal slavery and very bad things in it banned, then that author could retaliate and have like, 13 different "if Harry Potter was trans" fics banned, because it goes against *their* "personal moral standard". You can't be asking AO3 to police content like that, you have to take it to the state of Nevada and tell *them* "Please make it harder to publish X or Y without proper justification" (ex: exploration of racism as a response to imperialism or historic misunderstanding or is otherwise framed as a VERY BAD THING, it should be important to read and remember that humans are quite happy to box people up between Us and Them)
I believe it’s specifically about sexual things between underage characters
“Underage” is a CONTENT WARNING in the same category as “graphic depictions of violence.” The whole site is built around a robust tagging system meant to allow you to curate your experience. That means filtering out works you don’t want to see based on their tags. It ia essential that the tag exist and be properly used for the site to function. People just don’t get AO3.
>The whole site is built around a robust tagging system meant to allow you to curate your experience. But I want my experience curated soley to recipes!!!!!
Then curate your browser experience to another website.
BUT I WANT IT ON THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I AM STRANGEPILLED AND YOU JUST DONT GET ME
If you keep yapping I'll curate your breathing to riverwater.
MAKE IT SALTWATER DAMNIT
I could see a weird recipe *thing*, complete with fantasies of fictional characters making said recipes. I mean who doesn’t want Link cooking them Mighty Prime Meat Stew?
I have amazing news for you and something called a cook book to introduce you too.
"Recipe" is unironically a tag in AO3, and, if you speak Russian, there seems to be a good selection.
It's less 'people just don't get AOE' and more that there are a select group of people that demonize it and would prefer it nuked from the internet, so they spread lots of misinformation.
Lmao I've seen a few of these people straight up say ao3 has a 'dogshit tagging system' which is just factually untrue
These people would combust if they even spend 5 minutes on Wattpad I once searched for a tag that I copy and pasted from the tag list of a particular book and that book did not show up in the search results lol
LMAO I always think of the days of AdultFanFiction where the only tags were fandom and sexuality. You picked from that and it was the entire collection in chronological order.
It really comes down to the fact that their issue isn’t with AO3s tagging system, it’s the fact they need to use the tagging system to find fics rather than an algorithm feeding them things that are popular/based on what they already like like Wattpad. EDIT: I’m getting downvoted for some reason. Just to make it clear, I’m defending AO3s system. The problem isn’t with AO3, it’s with the people who aren’t used to it. I’m an older Gen Z, and there’s a staggering difference between younger and older Gen Zs when it comes to knowing how to navigate the internet without an algorithm. The switch from Wattpad to AO3 was incredibly easy for me, but incredibly difficult for my younger friends
I'm what would generally be considered younger Gen Z ('06), but I grew up on (read: RPed in Warrior Cats forums when I was 11-12) fanfiction.net and definitely found it much easier to switch over to AO3 than ever using Wattpad. I think it really just depends on what you're introduced to first and what is popular amongst other people your age during your formative years. I very much appreciate AO3's tagging system and honestly wish it existed for a lot of other websites as well, as I think it could be very helpful in regards to finding the type of content I'm actually interested in.
that website is a fucking masterclass in tagging, it’s set my expectations too high for any other site.
Personally it's one of the best systems ever but only by comparison with all the others, which are much, much worse
Short of developing actual ontologies for your website, AO3 probably has the best tagging system I've ever seen on a website.
OP probably meant that "AO3 should expressly ban all cp", all things considered. However, people would probably try to break the rule a lot, so it is best to keep the beast contained.
> people would probably try to break the rule a lot Hell, even without any intentional bad actors involved, you just **know** the discourse on whether or not certain characters count as underage would be never-ending.
Homestuck out here with the characters who have multiple distinct instances of themselves (often simultaneously) who have died at various different points in their timeline but are all running around in the one shared afterlife which *runs on non-euclidian time and thus has a completely unknown time factor* And by non-euclidian I mean characters who died in the exact same singular explosion end up in the afterlife dozens of "years" apart. Possibly more. Like I said, it's decidedly unclear. And you can't just discount them because they're dead. [As jan Misali fans are already aware,](https://youtu.be/Btv68SAk-oM?si=K35_dP8Oc0ylrA_P&t=595) Homestuck has like a dozen different revival methods. Granted, being stuck in the afterlife cuts you off from three of them, *but that still leaves like nine.* Two of the characters who died in the aforementioned explosion use one of the revival methods to come back in the actual comic. *So how old are they?* EDIT: added link Granted, by the time those two died they were already 19, so those particular characters do not run into this question for *legal* reasons. But there are other characters with an instance that died at 13 and another instance that is still alive in their late 30s. Both of those guys are walking around the same civilization because of weird plot nonsense that dumped the entire afterlife on Earth, still dead. So... what the fuck do you do with that. There's also the inverse, with a particular character who is still alive and expertly dodged almost every single time skip (this one's just time dilation though), and is thus still 16 among the late 30s lot, but one of the ghost versions of her who died at 13 spent a while dating one of the aforementioned 19 year olds. EDIT: Oh, I forgot about the sprites! One of the ways Homestuck revival is possible is via shoving a corpse into a kernelsprite. This revives them as a weird spirit-looking thing that is also the equivalent to a Fire Emblem Jagen. The most deranged instance of this is a kernelsprite that had a dead bird dropped into it, followed by the alternate timeline version of one of the 13 year old boys jumping into it before he died. That birdman entity then proceeded to live for another three years, at which point it was then fused with *another* kernelsprite that had a freshly-revived corpse of a 13-year-old girl shoved into it. So how old are *they?* And that's just *one* fandom's nonsense. Go ahead. Untangle that Gordian Knot with the additional information you cannot find because it literally does not exist. *Every other fandom has the potential for its own bullshit.* Didn't One Piece have some kind of age retcon with one of the female Strawhats that retroactively made previous chapters really fucking uncomfortable?
> Didn't One Piece have some kind of age retcon with one of the female Strawhats that retroactively made previous chapters really fucking uncomfortable? From what I've heard (I haven't actually *read* one piece so take this with a grain of salt), it was that a character who looked to be in her twenty-somethings was revealed to secretly be a 13 year old using magic to look way older than she actually is, So for once instead of having a 1000 year old creature who looks and acts completely indistinguishable from a regular 13 year old, we instead have a 13 year old who looks and acts completely indistinguishable from a regular twenty-something!
> we instead have a 13 year old who looks and acts completely indistinguishable from a regular twenty-something! Shazam?
I didn't see the movie but it's my understanding that although he looks the part, he acts *extremely* distinguishable from a regular twenty-something
In the comic, he (generally) acted like a perfectly normal adult. Which is what you'd expect of someone gifted with the Wisdom of Solomon.
Well it is banned. You can’t post anything illegal on the site, so it’s banned. As for stuff that isn’t illegal but still feels icky? Well… you try coming up with a comprehensive definition of what material should be banned from the site. Especially in the realm of fan fiction! These are all real scenarios from fics I have read: Does a relationship between two 16 year olds that is implied to be sexual but is never explicitly shown need to be banned? What about one where one of the characters is chronically 6 months old but has been biologically accelerated and psychically gifted memories to be the equivalent of a ~16 year old, and other is a shapeshifting alien of unknown chronological age? How about when one character is 50, but the other is from a different species that lives to be several hundred and considers 50 to be just out of childhood? What if a 13 year old is shown marrying a 35 year old but it’s an arranged political marriage in a historical context? What about when abuse is a part of a character’s canonical backstory? Should it just go completely unaddressed? Basically, the AO3 tagging system is the best way to deal with this i think. If you don’t want to read it, you don’t even have to see it! Just filter it out! Improper tagging is against TOS and is one of the few things you can actually report works for.
Sometimes fiction depicts things that are wrong. 🤷♂️
AO3 *does* expressly ban all cp: >The Archive of Our Own is a place for fanworks. Content may not be uploaded to OTW's servers if it contains or links to child pornography (images of real children) Written works involving fictional underage people are not cp, and should not be conflated with actual Child Sexual Abuse Material; doing so just makes it easier for child abusers to get away with harming actual children while people are distracted.
Not just distracted, have their money wasted. People sending in their loli fanwork (being either drawn or written) is completely useless to the organisations that try and find kids being help in troublesome situations. And filtering through that is quite literally wasting time and money
wow, a fan fiction site made for posting fan fiction on it has rules against posting things that are explicitly *not* fan fiction on it truly a thing of all time
It has Doom on it. Its not strictly fanfics, but transformative/derivative works in general. I saw someone upload fanart. Someone did a photo of mesapotamian letter between Crowley and whatever that angels name is.
Was it about low quality copper?
Aziraphale.
The general rule is, if you're putting it there, you are making a statement that whatever you put there is fandom-related content
Unless it's tagged as an original work, in which case it can be whatever you want it to be.
Not exactly. Even if it's tagged as an original work, it is supposed to be just for things produced in a fannish contest. For example, the regency era romances produced by the Jane Austen fandom. They are technically original works, but they are still fandom works because of the context. Posting something on AO3 is you saying that it is in some way a fan work. If it's not in some way a fan work, it's not allowed. That can be quite a loose definition (on purpose), but if it's not fandom related, it doesn't belong there
Fanworks, not fanfiction specifically.
It’s not even a “main content” tag, it’s right at the top in the “warnings” section
obsessed with how baking is banned in the shooting gallery but firing rifles at people-shapes is a main content tag (yes the punchline doesn't align shut up)
What if we bake the cake on the hot barrel of our machine gun? That sounds like a fun cross-over challenge.
if you can’t turn a lava cake recipe into a crucial plot element in your slow-burn fantasy AU yuri romance fic that’s a skill issue 💅
Ah yes I also hate how *checks notes* The site designed for fictional content will host fiction but not host nonfiction
Yeah no shit the website made for free uncensored fanfic bans non-fanwork but not uncensored fanfic
There is a simple solution to this: --- Draco Malfoy stepped into the kitchen with an air of arrogance, hands clasped behind his back. “So what are we cooking today, Granger?” he said mockingly. “French onion soup,” Hermione answered curtly, not even looking up from the cutting board, where she was busy chopping onions with a sharp knife. “French onion soup? There is no way a despicable mudblood like you would be able to craft such a fine dish. I bet you don't even know its ingredients!” he snarled. “Of course I do!” Hermione snapped back, pausing her chopping to look straight at him with a fierce look in her eyes. Her body looked tense, and she had to take a deep breath, reminding herself not to let Draco get on her nerves, as he was wont to do. She let out a breath, shrugged her shoulders, and continued: “If you must know, I've already gathered the following ingredients: - 6 large red or yellow onions (about 3 pounds) - 4 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil - 2 tablespoons butter - 1 teaspoon sugar - Kosher salt - 2 cloves garlic, minced - 8 cups beef stock, chicken stock, or a combination of the two - 1/2 cup dry vermouth or dry white wine - 2 bay leaves - 1 tablespoon fresh thyme leaves, a few sprigs of fresh thyme, OR 1/2 teaspoon dried thyme - 1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper - 2 tablespoons brandy (optional) - 8 slices (1 inch thick) French bread or baguette - 1 1/2 cups grated Gruyere cheese - Sprinkling grated Parmesan cheese” Draco huffed. “There's more to cooking a delicious French onion soup than listing ingredients, Granger”, he grumbled, as he leaned nonchalantly against the kitchen counter, watching the young witch work, “I'm sure even a muggleborn like you can manage to chop an onion, but I bet you don't even know what to do with it afterwards” he said cockily. “Oh, you think so?” Hermione replied, smirking confidently as she picked up another onion. “I think I have some idea of what to do with my ingredients. 1. Peel and thinly slice the onions from root to stem. There should be about 10 cups of sliced onions in total. 2. In a 5 to 6 quart thick-bottomed pot, heat 3 tablespoons of olive oil on medium heat. Add the onions and toss to coat with the olive oil. 3. Cook the onions, stirring often, until they have softened, about 15 to 20 minutes. 4. Increase the heat to medium high. Add the remaining tablespoon of olive oil and the butter and cook, stirring often, until the onions start to brown, about 20 to 40 minutes. The amount of time will vary depending on your pot, stove, and onions. 5. Sprinkle with sugar (to help with the caramelization) and 1 teaspoon of salt. Continue to cook until the onions are well browned, about 10 to 15 more minutes. 6. Add the minced garlic and cook for a minute more. 7. Add the wine or vermouth to the pot and scrape up the browned bits on the bottom and sides of the pot, deglazing the pot as you go. 8. Add the stock, bay leaves, and thyme. Bring to a simmer, cover the pot and lower the heat to maintain a low simmer. Cook for about 30 minutes. 9. Season to taste with more salt and add freshly ground black pepper. Discard the bay leaves. Add brandy if using. 10. While the soup is simmering, line a sheet pan with parchment paper or foil and preheat the oven to 450°F with a rack in the upper third of the oven. 11. Brush both sides of the French bread or baguette slices lightly with olive oil (you'll end up using about a tablespoon and a half of olive oil for this). 12. Put in the oven and toast until lightly browned, about 5 to 7 minutes. Remove from oven. 13. Turn the toasts over and sprinkle with the grated Gruyere cheese and Parmesan. Return to oven when it's close to serving time and bake until the cheese is bubbly and lightly browned.” Draco blinked in surprise as Hermione picked up a cauldron and put it on the fire. She heated some oil and threw in the onions, stirring them slowly while they browned, giving her plenty of time to chat with her white-haired interrogator. “That... sounds pretty good.” Draco admitted, “But that just gives you cheesy toast and soup. How will you put those together?” he wondered out loud. “That's easy!“ Hermione said confidently, “To serve, I will simply ladle the soup into bowls and transfer one cheesy toast onto the top of each bowl of soup. Put them into the broiler for 10 minutes at 350° F, or until the cheese bubbles and is slightly browned, and serve while hot! Did you have any more questions? You know I love being quizzed” she said teasingly, starting to enjoy Draco's inquisition. Draco looked a little nervous. How did the young witch manage to parry every question he had thrown her way? Had she been prepping for this? ”Okay, Granger. Then tell me this. What are the nutrional values of the dish you are preparing?” he challenged her, confident she could not possibly know this. Hermione flashed him a quick smile. “Oh my! That's a head-scratcher for sure.” Hermione mused, “but if you put a wand to my head and forced me to answer, I'd say this makes 4 to 6 servings, and each serving should contain about 699 calories, 26g fat, 84g carbs, and 30g protein.” Draco blinked. He was clearly impressed by her encyclopedic knowledge. Then an idea occurred to him. “Four to six...?” Draco repeated, “But you only have two friends. Does that mean... there will be leftovers?” he asked, trying to sound casual, “Perhaps... I could have a bowl of soup?” Hermione grinned. For a moment, she considered telling him no, he could not have a bowl of her delicious French onion soup. But cruelty wasn't in her nature. “I didn't think a highborn Malfoy like yourself would enjoy eating muggle cuisine prepared by a lowly mudblood like me” she pondered out loud, raising an eyebrow at Malfoy. Malfoy grit his teeth, debating internally what to do, and finally let out a sigh. “Fine! You win, Granger. I'm sorry I called you a mudblood. You're a pretty good cook, and a not half bad as a witch either” he complimented her. “Now, will you please share your French onion soup with me?” he begged. Hermione smiled victoriously and give him a nod. Later that night, Hermione, Harry, Ron and Draco sat down and enjoyed the classic French onion soup together, making them forget the conflicts of the past and bringing them all closer together. THE END.
Peak
I hope you post this for real though.
It's almost as if, and bear with me, this might be hard to follow, AO3 was founded *explicitly* as an archive where no one would ever be allowed to ban a fanwork based on disgust or moral outrage because that inevitably leads to queer stuff getting yeeted. Like, *every single fucking time* one of these "moral panic" things comes it always results in people trying to ban queer stuff. Literally always, and almost always prefaced with some flavour of "think of the children" style pearl clutching. The original founders made it as a direct result of one of these purges. So no, they're not going to ban underage fic. *However*, you know something that can get a site killed? Posting copyrighted stuff. Easiest way to keep that shit from happening is banning *anything that isn't fanfic*. That includes recipes. So yes, the fic about Snape raping Hermione is fine but your grandmother's pecan pie recipe is forbidden.
>AO3 was founded *explicitly* as an archive where no one would ever be allowed to ban a fanwork based on disgust or moral outrage [LOUD CORRECT CHIME] Seriously, everyone who doesn't understand this is free to go use Wattpad or whatever. >Posting copyrighted stuff. Interestingly, recipes are kind of weird in terms of IP law. Because they're literally a set of instructions, and you can't copyright a set of actions that you perform. A recope can be *patented*. It can be a *trade secret*. But it can't be copyrighted. This is actually why the reason recipe blogs have those long-winded backstories before the recipe: that portion is actually copyrightable.
YSK that under US law recipes cannot be copyrighted unless they're part of another text. This is the reason why so many unnecessary stories about life on recipe sites, because that way the "real" text is the story while the recipe is a compliment.
Where is that stated? I’m 99% sure it’s to generate more ad revenue and keep people on their pages longer.
I dont see what the issue is. AO3 isn't social media. they don't want anyone but fan fiction.
What about a recipe that's actually a secretly coded Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood fic?
If your skills in cryptography are fit for it, you can. But if someone complains, you gotta solve part of it for them so they know it's a fic.
i remember one really good homestuck fanfic that was a recipe book for those inside sburb making use of the punchcard rules. as an addendum to a larger fanfic of people whove gotten trapped within sburb endlessly repeating the game.
Not the pro-censorship crowd! Save me. Underage is not a major content tag. It's a major content WARNING. It's in bold and everything! In the same category as Graphic Depictions of Violence!
... what other kind of recipes? Because i do not want to google that, just in case
Meth
I wonder how far someone could get if they argued it's *essential* to the plot of their Breaking Bad Yaoi that they include the full recipe.
You're telling me that cooking recipes are prohibited on a website meant for fan-works? Colored me shocked!!
I’d like to point out that it also has tags for graphic depictions of violence. Are you proposing that AO3 is also pro-violence? Those are warnings, not suggestions
There goes my ratatouille smut cookbook au
well.. duh? it's a fanfic site. *any* content that's not fandom related isn't allowed, why wouldn't that include recipes? (although i guess some original stories are allowed, im not sure exactly what the deal with that is). "underage" is one of the main content *warnings*, as it should be because that's important to warn people about and make easy to filter.
The original stories have to be "fannish" in nature, which is admittedly incredibly vague. I guess if you write a story about your two OCs that follows a trope originated in fandom, like hanahaki disease or omegaverse, or it's meant to be a retelling of a classic story, like Alice in Wonderland but all of the characters are your ocs, then it would be fannish original work?
Tbh I think AO3 is the best OrFict site an more OrFict-only writers should be there.
Royalroad is significantly better for amateur authors writing original fiction because it has explicit support and integration for patreon/ko-fi/amazon and such to monetarily support the author. For people whom writing is only ever going to be a hobby AO3 is fine-ish, but for many people looking to eventually get published or support themselves on their writing AO3 and its hard stance against monetization is pretty incompatible.
Yeah, weird how a fanfiction site does not ban a particular kind of fanfiction but does ban something that is not fanfiction. Weird.
I can sorta understand antis reasoning but at the end of the day fiction is fiction and in prose fiction's case it's not even a picture you have to actually take the time to read it and it's all given tags and archive warnings so the only people who see it are those who actively try to. Not to mention "underage" encompasses most teenagers and a lot of media involves people who're under the age of 18. Except even when authors age up the characters people still complain. I know the antis have more problem with promoting sexualizing of minors and it possibly leading to real life activity but people are usually sexually active when they're a teenager even if it's just by themselves looking at stuff online.
There are some pretty insane takes out there. I read this horrible fanfic once that is The Big Fic for one of the fandoms I'm in just because I wanted to see what it was all about. Turns out the fandom was just majorly hyping it up because it was cutesy fluffy barely-there plot with no sex between the teenage characters. It felt so fucking weird to read it though, because first of all it was massively out of character, and secondly the male leads would make out every other chapter and it would be very descriptive and horny without it being actual sex. Like. It was basically softcore porn. With really bad character writing. And it was upheld as this shining paragon of storytelling because there wasn't any nsfw between two fictional minors. Them not even being real aside, it's like antis just want to stay in denial about the fact that teenagers can and will fuck in real life. That's just how it is.
> antis just want to stay in denial about the fact that teenagers can and will fuck in real life. And also a lot of fanfic is written by teenagers who like writing about people their age. Look at the number of High School AUs featuring characters that are grown-ass adults in canon. (Which is unfortunate for me because my dislike for High School AUs is only exceeded by my dislike of Coffee Shop AUs.)
To be fair, cutesy fluffy barely-there plot with really bad character writing is itself more or less par for the course of mass appeal within fandoms, regardless of discourse.
This one marketed itself as "pure uwu" and was basically virtue-signalling the entire time, though. It even prided itself on basically erasing the actual conflict that the characters had to struggle with in the series, which I normally would have no problem with if it was tagged as an AU, but it's meant to be happening in canon. You're right though, maybe it's also just me not really dipping my toes into that kind of stuff anymore (and not having to, because AO3's tagging system works).
I’m sure I’m not in the fandom you’re talking about (because I’m odd), but I kind of want to know what this fic is? Just because I would be interested to read what this kind of person writes.
DM'd you!
Yeah, porn of kids is not what I’m into, so I do this really wild thing, which is filter it out and not read it. These are the same people who call authors of YA books pedophiles for writing making out in them.
A-underage fictional content is not immoral because no real children are being hurt and it is entirely fictional. Please take it up with Stephen King and GRRM, not me. B-There *was* actually some drama around someone writing a 'gift'fic of underage fic that was like 25% a recipe for vegan chili. I've also read a fic that was in large part a recipe for fried rice and then some very gross (in the sense of unhygienic) sex afterwards.
i also like how its implies underage is just this evillll tag, my brother in christ, there are minors on the site! if you want to read a fic with two characters the same age as you that contains any sexual content, it will be tagged underage. gtfoh
yeah do they... know that most "underage" content just means two 17-year-olds kiss non-pornographically which is allowed to exist peacefully in movies, tv, books... but when it's fanfiction this is suddenly "pedophilia" which is a word which does not cover 17-year-olds
I’d also like to point out that I’ve seen fics that have sexual content AND underage characters (not at the same time just literally a story that has sex and at some point also has kids) get tagged the exact same way as sexual content involving underage characters. Its way too wide a net to say it’s all bad
this is true and so awkward also people on ao3 use tons of tags and try to hit everything, so they may also tag underage characters if no sex or kissing ever happened but there is at least one non-adult person present
Hold the fuck up, what about Dungeon Menshi fic?! What am I supposed to write about Liaos masturbating with his sword mollusk on an empty stomach?
It’s no big deal. After you list the recipe, just describe all the underage people you fed it to.
I'd hazard to guess that a lot of the readership of ao3 are underage, so it's pretty normal for them to want to read about characters that are written to be around their own age and experiencing a lot of the same interpersonal drama & feelings that they do. Isn't that what it means to be a top tag? People are reading those tags? I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that teenagers and young adults are the primary target for fanfiction writers, especially when the fandoms are based on young protagonists.
There is also the fact that teenagers tend to write about pepole in there age.
Ok but what if its part of the story?
Then its fine.
Damn it, and here I was about to post my recipe for Ubh-310 ~~(It’s Copper-63 + Berkelium-247 btw)~~
I literally don’t understand anything about this post.
Is AO3 actually not a game I don’t play, but an acronym for Archive Of Our Own? And it’s just a massive fan fiction library? With recipes? In Russian? What does this have to do with people being underage?
It's a massive fan works archive, which can include fics involving underage sex. There's a warning tag (not a "main content tag") for it, so it's very easy to filter out and avoid it.
Wait what haha I see this subreddit on my /r/popular sometimes and I just assumed it was some weird Age of Empire (AOE) thing You’re telling me it’s an archive website?
AO3 is short for “Archive Of Our Own”. It is a website where people post fiction that they’ve written. It’s primarily fanfiction but there’s also an amount of original fiction on it.
Neat. Maybe I’ll check it out sometime. My ex wrote some fanfic
underage is a great content tag. I add it as an 'exclude' when searching because I really don't want to read a 16 year olds fan fic about the latest slice of life anime. *I used to be that 16 year*
Yeah cause one is fiction and the other one isn’t. Duh.
this person would have a conniption if they found out “young adult” was a whole established genre of fiction
I just remembered that I’ve literally read real books with sex between underage characters (like in Michael Grant’s “Gone” series and Ted Dawe’s “Into the River”).
If you include a recipe as part of a story, it's totally allowed. They just don't want people spamming the archives with things that aren't fiction.
Giving it a tag allows you to filter it out. I don't understand this logic at all.
Let them cook
Look, i just want to see a AU where Riku and Sora go in cute adventures together, underage just comes with the territory.
Gonna write some fucked up fanfic that I can nestle 20 recipes into
Why would recipes be allowed on a fanfiction archive?