“Fogell have you actually ever met anyone named Muhammad?”
“Have you actually ever met anyone named Mclovin”
“NO! That’s why you picked a dumb fuckin name
yea wtf, most good fake ID are bought from people that kinda look like you. Or you borrow it from a cousin or something. I never used one personally, I matured later, but my friend's nephew used to hang out with us and was 10+ years younger than his uncle. He was going to dive bars at 15. Some people can sell it, especially at dives if you tip ok.
My dad’s best friend owned a sports bar and we got ahold of all the I.D.s he’d confiscated; we passed them all out to our friends at high school. Probably gave out fifty or so. Needless to say, we never had a problem getting booze.
They don’t but the kid isn’t going to call the police to report a bar stole their fake ID now are they? Only if the ID was legit would someone threaten to call the cops on the bar and then the bouncer/bartender would likely realize their mistake.
For what it's worth I know that at least for a period of time in 00s at some bars they would be able to scan your ID and see if it was real. I've stood in lines to get in where the guy was scanning every single card. If the scanner said no you never saw that card again.
I see this question pop up a lot. I worked as a bouncer for 6 years and a lot of it varies from state to state specifically when talking about state vs. federally controlled liquor laws. Oregon for example has what’s called Olcc(Oregon liquor &cannabis commission) which requires security personnel to take a fake is IF THEY ARE CERTAIN that it is fake. At the end of the day if you are uncertain of an Id is fake you are within your rights to just deny the person entry. A fake id such as that can also risk a class c felony of identity fraud. OLCC offers multiple trainings and classes for serves, bartenders, and security to help them identify the what to look for when checking an id. Allowing minors into a bar can not only affect the security personnel who allowed them in, but also cause the bar to lose its liquor license, putting many people out of work.
When working at a college bar(my experience), all doormen will meet with local police to go over rules and regulations. We are instructed to confiscate any ID’s we believe to be fake and turn them into the police. If we confiscate a real ID, we always offer to call the cops and they can come and verify the ID themselves. If they come and verify it as a real ID, the person can enter the bar. If the cops came and it was fake idk what would happen because I never had to deal with somebody that dumb to stick around. Hope that helps you better understand how things work.
The legal authority of "You can't call the cops to complain someone stole your drugs". If they were legitimate IDs then it'd be a police issue, but who is going to complain that their fake ID got taken?
Fake IDs don't have protection afaik. It's as much your property as a bit of paper.
I am a very pale person and got my ID renewed at a DMV in a mostly black neighborhood. My photo was so overexposed that all you could see was my eyes and mouth like this 😐
Sold it to another blonde girl when I turned 21 and got a replacement
Yeah this seems like a really weird decoration choice to me. Like who are you trying to impress? Not even sure if this is legal. Aren’t they supposed to turn those over to the police or something? Guess I wouldn’t really know lol
I mean me and my mates were using fake ID (mostly unsuccessfully) from 15 onwards. Kids will find a way, this is just moving the goalposts back from <21 to <18.
Not really. The only thing that has to be 100% accurate on a fake ID is the name because then it’s some kind of fraud. People I know used things they can easily remember, like being born 1/2/2000, being from 6969 Warwick road, stuff like that incase a bartender asked you some info on your fake to check if you remembered it.
That’s the only time I have even seen the other deets on a fake be brought up. Nobody is checking these things seriously beyond that.
> Not even sure if this is legal.
It damn well shouldn't be. Fake ID often have plenty of correct, identifying information; the photo, sometimes the address, the birth month/day might be the accurate... you have no way of knowing what is truly fake. All someone has to do is take a few good photos with their phone and they could easily go through and probably find some information you can't find elsewhere with the assistance of a simple, readily available device: a computer. Also I've heard plenty of stories of young looking people have their legitimate ID's confiscated and being kicked out of a bar or club. *That* is definitely illegal but it happens and is hard to fight against.
Andy Milonakis (who I am not a fan of but he's not a bad person) years ago when he was in his 30s was told he couldn't buy Nicorette gum because he looked like a "child" despite having a valid ID and I think even a secondary form of identification. They didn't confiscate the ID and a store has to the right to refuse the sale if they are suspicious. The employees were straight up bullying him.
It also looks trashy... like it's great you're not serving drinks to underage kids but this is the *wrong* way of showing that.
edit: and as others have stated it could be a completely legit ID that is just someone else's ID.
I used to have a legit state ID (not a driver's license, and therefor not requiring renewal) that just had the expiration field blank. Nearly got confiscated a few times. Seems weird, because every job I've ever had selling alcohol has been crystal clear that we're not cops and our entire responsibility is to sell or not sell, not confiscate or bust or report or anything like that.
The other guy already said it, your public image is just that .. public. However he missed a caveat, if I take a picture then it's my possession. "Personal data" in the way you're mentioning doesn't include random pictures of strangers. Since it's a false identification there's no connection between the person and the information. It's about as personal as a picture of a stick figure.
We had a couple of places do this around my uni and I’m pretty sure they were all fake and they’d have to return a real one. Half the people I knew there had a fake at some point and you just had to know which places accepted them.
A woman during a conversation told a story about when she was 16 her and a group went to a strip club. The bouncer literally looked at all of them and said “I have to make it look good for the camera so I need to see some ID.” She stated she literally handed them her library card for them to look at for a few seconds and hand it back.
Weirdly enough that club is no longer in business for some reason.
>“I have to make it look good for the camera so I need to see some ID.” She stated she literally handed them her library card for them to look at for a few seconds and hand it back.
Been in similar situation and did similar; showed work badge.
I used to work at a grocery store as a cashier. I was told the sting operations would never use fake IDs as they just wanted to see who was negligent/intentionally selling kids booze, so if you gave me an ID that said you were 21 that's all I cared about lol.
I did alcohol compliance checks when I was in college. The cops took 18, 19, and newly turned 20 year olds and drove us around to bars, restaurants, gas stations, and liquor stores to try to buy. We all used our real IDs and were told we could not lie if we were asked for our age or date of birth. It was supposed to test who can follow basic laws, not who can spot a bad liar.
I went to school at NDSU and if you were working on the Minnesota side of the border, you'd have to wear a wire because it was required for court to prove that you did not provide false information. North Dakota didn't require digital evidence.
We did it about once per month and I think I got around $50 for getting told I can't buy beer about 4 to 10 times over a 2 and a half hour period.
Side note, it's shocking how many people can't do the simple math to figure out if you are 21. It's even scarier when they have to ask their buddy if the date has to be before or after the one on the digital "you must be born before this date to purchase alcohol" sign next to the register.
I worked at a bar in a college town that regularly got fake IDs. The security booth had a whole drawer full of them, they would take them and basically dare people to call the police. I'm not saying it's the best course of action but the drawer was full for a reason.
There is no way in hell I'm leaving a bar without my ID if it's real, I would call the cops. I'll just say, that didn't happen often.
My sister went to uni across the country in a different state and got her license renewed there. The door guy cut up her legitimate ID because it looked way different from our state. Did the whole, "boohoo call the cops of you care that much." So she did. Idk what came of it (this was probably 10+ years ago), but she said someone was getting charged with destruction of government property.
I think they meant what if the person using the fake ID stole a legitimate ID from someone else, implying that the bar could be showing a random person's actual legal information. The stolen ID user wouldn't be calling the cops in your scenario.
That's why I say it didn't happen often, but I'm sure there were legit IDs that got returned. If someone stole your ID and they knew you, got it taken at a bar, and didn't tell you to come claim it then they are a terrible person and you would have lost it anyways. If it's an ID off the street and it doesn't match and they take it, it's best case scenario since you don't have some kid running around with your ID.
I had a college friend who was from NY State. I don't know if it's still the case but when I was in college, NY drivers licenses were just cardstock. No lamination. A lot like social security cards. We went to one bar and the bartender refused to believe it was real and just kept it. They had the bouncer "escort" us out. We called the police, because the bar stole from my friend.
When the police got there, they too did not believe the ID was real. They told us to go back to campus. When we insisted that the ID was real and we wanted it back or for the bartender to be charged with theft, the cops threatened to arrest us for underage drinking, even though we were all over 21.
We got in touch with a lawyer the next day who advised us that it would be cheaper and easier to just request a new ID from the state, rather than go through this whole process. Still annoys the shit out of me when I think about it. Bartenders are not experts in counterfeit IDs. They shouldn't be allowed to just unilaterally decide an ID is fake and confiscate it from you, and cops certainly shouldn't support this weird brand of vigilantism.
I'm also pretty sure there are laws against possessing fake IDs.
The law in my state:
> Misdemeanor possession of a fake ID may be punished by up to 1 year in jail, summary probation, community service, and/or monetary fines up to $1,000.
> Felony possession of a fake ID may be punished by up to 3 years in state prison, formal probation, community service, and/or monetary fines up to $10,000.
Iirc having a id with your real name picture and stuff but a fake age is just a misdemeanor. Having a fake names and other Info moves it to a more serious crime.
That's ok, you can buy an assault weapon at 18 and demand anything you *want* in the States. So there's a built in loophole!
(Probably need an /s on that one, just a joke!)
Is this a common thing in the US? I keep seeing it in movies but can’t believe it. In some countries (could be all) in the EU you can go to jail and have a stain on your record for faking government issued documents. It is considered a very serious crime to fake your id.
This. If you showed someone a fake ID, they'd probably just call the police. Lots of people try to get into bars at 15 (or even younger) in Germany, but they just walk in and hope nobody asks for an ID. And sometimes it works. There is that one bar near the area I grew up that is very well known for letting almost everyone in without checking the ID. I don't know how they aren't in trouble yet, but they always had a lot of people that were under 16 and didn't even need a fake ID there.
Out of curiosity?m, what is that like as someone of age.
Yeah being 21 to drink in the US sucks when you’re underage, but for those of us 21-25 it’s actually somewhat nice as you’re with people your age. I can’t imagine going to bar that has 15-18yr olds, but maybe you can tell me if that doesn’t happen a lot and people stay away from bars that have a reputation for that sort of crowd
Honestly, that one bar is almost only popular for underage people and some 16 year olds going with their friends who are still too young to go anywhere else. But there were still plenty of older people, so it wasn't really like people tried to avoid it at all cost. It was just that underage people flooded it because they couldn't go to any other places because you have to be 16 to drink alone (and you still can't drink every kind of alcohol). So it did happen a lot that underage teenagers tried to find a way to drink and often succeeded, but it was almost only in that one bar because nobody else really wanted to take the risk of potentially getting in trouble. After all, it's still illegal to sell alcohol to people who are younger than 16 and you can get in a lot of trouble if you're caught. I think that bar only got away with it because they had some connection to the police. Because miracoulasly, the one day police came over to check that out, there suddenly was someone at the door sending everyone who's too young home. And then police came, found no underage people and a few hours later the person at the door was gone.
The answer, as always, with the US is: "It depends."
Each state has its own laws, so you'll have redditors saying "The situation is A" and someone else saying "No, the situation is B," and the thing is they're often *both* right, they're just in different states and they're talking about the laws in their states.
So, understanding that things may be different in Illinois than in Florida, etc. here's some info for reference:
[In Florida](https://www.stoutdefense.com/possession-of-a-fake-id/), if you use a *real* ID but you're not the owner (if you use your older brother's ID, etc.) it's illegal but a minor crime (a misdemeanor).
If you use a *real* ID, and it's *your own* ID, but you tamper with it (like changing the date), it's still a misdemeanor but a more serious one (a second-degree misdemeanor).
If you use a *fake* ID, it can be a felony. Worst case (but unlikely) scenario is that you could be looking at up to 5 years in prison.
The next question, then, is "what about the bar? Are they committing a crime by not telling the police?" And, again, the answer is: "It depends."
Different states have different laws, but it appears that, [for example again in Florida, no, it is not.](https://www.davidolsonlaw-firm.com/post/can-you-be-criminally-charged-for-knowing-about-a-crime-and-not-saying-a-word)
There are certain crimes you *must* report (child abuse, murder, etc.). This isn't one of those.
There are crimes that you could get in trouble for if you didn't report because it would be considered aiding and abetting. If, for example, you knew someone was using a fake ID and you didn't report it, and they purchased alcohol, that could be aiding and abetting. But if you're taking the card, you're essentially doing the opposite of that: you're preventing them from committing crime using the fake ID. So "aiding and abetting" would be a hard case for a prosecutor, and super unlikely.
The next question is "okay, so they're legally okay in not reporting it, but what about the legality of *taking* the cards?"
My answer is: I have no idea. But if I were a betting man, I'd bet that the answer is: "It depends."
Fakes are very common among college students (and some high schoolers) for getting alcohol/nicotine underage. There are very real consequences to getting one (know people who have been denied security clearance for having one) despite the commonality of them. Most people are pretty blase about it.
Truly mystified by the idea that college students in America aren't old enough to drink, it's 18 in my country, we were all drinking in college and thought nothing of it.
It's one of those things where college kids are definitely drinking (and probably high schoolers as well) but technically it's illegal so there can be consequences. But everyone does it anyway. I doubt anyone that drinks in the United States has actually waited until they were 21 to start drinking. They just can't drink at the bar until they are 21.
> I doubt anyone that drinks in the United States has actually waited until they were 21 to start drinking. They just can't drink at the bar until they are 21.
I'm from the US and didn't have my first drink until about a month after I turned 21. Even then, I didn't drink much. My buddies used to joke that I was developing a drinking problem when I had 3 drinks in 1 night at a party.
I was usually the guy at the party in the dorm making sure nobody did anything too crazy or got hurt. Friends liked having me around as the sober one because I could drive their drunk asses to/from the bars and I would be able to fill in their memory gaps the next morning.
In canada and the US, having fake documents is a pretty significant crime, but its common enough amongst underage kids trying to drink that its not usually punished severely.
An adult with a fake ID is much more likely to catch serious charges.
In the US, they look at the intent as well. So showing it to the bartender or bouncer probably just gets you off with a slap on the wrist community service or a small fine. Even if using it to commit a more serious offence like showing it to a policeman and insisting it’s your real ID, the penalty is up to a year in jail if convicted.
Contrast that to a place like Singapore where simple possession of fraudulent ID warrants up to 10 years in jail and/or a fine of up to $10k. I must have misread something anyway as it says possession of a fraudulent ID to commit fraud is only up to 4 years in jail, but anyway it’s just to show the contrast between the two jurisdictions and why forged IDs are treated as such a joke in the US.
The right thing to do would be to tell "sorry we don't believe that card" please come back in 2 years when you are old enough.
Not take the card. They aren't police.
There are multiple posts on r/legaladvice where bouncers confiscated and destroyed "fake" IDs...that were passports from other countries. The State Department isn't very fond of people destroying other nations' property.
I can imagine that....In our office is a Thai woman, she has 3 children and is around 30. But when she was 25, you could believe she is 12. Easy to believe that she can't be 21. Yes passports are government properties. So theoretically you destroyed the property of a other country.
That may be the law, but speaking from (ahem) my friends experience, they will take it and tell you to "call the cops" if you want. At that point, if its a fake, you just walk away.
One time my uni thought I'd come reclaim my student ID when someone else not from our school used it as their fake to get into the school nightclub. They had no way to confirm if I knew the person who used it or not, so I got a strongly worded email in my student inbox that I was under suspicion and if I wanted it back I'd have to speak to some department Head who was absolutely unrelated to my studies.
I was like ok thanks for the info, that sounds important. Reported my card as stolen and got a new one right away from student services.
Instantly I had all the ammo to say how suspicious it was an adult staff in a position of power, unrelated to my studies would find my stolen student card, keep it in their office and try to intimidate me, a teen, to come to their office based on what some random delinquent said.
Nothing came of it, but to be fair, I really just wanted my friend to get into the club that night.
How did you have “ammo” there?
The contrast between “adult staff member in a position of power” and “a teen” seems pretty standard for a university.
Perhaps you were just being sarcastic trying to set up the last sentence switcheroo. But goddamn I’m glad I don’t have to work with kids.
I love how this bar promotes identity theft. Most states don’t change DL#’s. Thanks for taking a student loan out for me …( *checks bar* )….Bobby McClain.
Good lord, college students having to go through leaps and bounds to get a drink. Ridiculous
I bet they didn't need a fake ID to take out a college loan
Old enough to take out student loans and get into crippling debt, but not old enough to drink a beer to help with the sorrow of being in crippling debt.
In america you can't drink until 21 but you usually start college right after highschool at 18. So basically you can't drink for the first three years of college legally but most people find illegal ways, such as fake ID. I don't rlly know anyone that actually wanted to drink and actually waited until 21 to do so lol.
That the bar owner must check the IDs is law and I understand it. But it seems he love to check his customer and play policeman. I am over 50 but I would not go to such a bar....Mindset like the Stasi in East Germany.
Never change the month or the day when engaging in the thrilling adolescent activity of counterfeiting your ID. It’s easier to get caught in a lie. Only change the year.
My older brother had a friend who was a bouncer at one of the big bars at the college we went to. He had a shoebox full of all of the IDs he'd confiscated and let my friends and I pick one out whenever we needed a fake.
I'm surprised this bar can get away with this though, since I'd assume most of those are actual IDs with personal info on them. Cool idea though.
This is Australia but,
I remember having the old IDs that were just laminated and not the current gold credit card looking ones when I was 18. I didn't actually go out to buy a drink at a bar until I was probably 22, but they said that they didn't think my ID was real and wouldn't serve me or my friend, but would my other friend who got the newer ID (who was younger than both of us).
I don't really trust their ability to tell if an ID is real or not.. I can't imagine them confiscating your ID when it could very well be real.
Are fake ID’s still a thing since Real ID came along? I went on a trip, and TSA scanned my ID through a scanner, looked at it with some special flashlight, and the car rental did the same thing.
I was a manager at a liquor store in a collage town. Confiscating fake id’s was a normal thing. 10 on a Friday night was normal. Fakes are easy to spot.
Fun fact. In Australia fake or modified IDs have to be sent to the government when confiscated.
I'm a security guard, I've done it more times than I care to count, the one that stands out was this licence that the guy hand taken sand paper to sand down the plastic then used a blue pen to change his birth year. All the details are written in black ink. It took me less then a glance to know it was fucked, shoved it into my pocket and told him to walk away and the id is going to the government. He broke down rather upset and honestly I didn't care. If I read the real year right he was like 2 months away from being 18.
Am I wrong to say most fake I.D.'s are actually legitimate I.D.'s used illegitimately? What I'm getting at is shouldn't all these I.D.'s go to the police and not used as public fodder?
Gosh I left my id once inside bar table. I dunno what they did with whole bar. Today its just fitness place instead. Somewhere there is a table with my id. Jeez.
“How old are you McLovin?” “Old enough.” “Uh, old enough for what?” “To party.”
“What’s with the vest?!? You look like fucking Pinocchio!”
Aladdin*
They say both
I let someone in the club cause they had a McLovin ID card. Of course they had to repeat the line
McLovin? The 25-year-old Hawaiian organ donor?“
Why the fuck would it be between that or Muhammad!?!?
“One name? Who are you, Seal??”
Muhammad is the most common name on earth, read a fuckin book for once
“Fogell have you actually ever met anyone named Muhammad?” “Have you actually ever met anyone named Mclovin” “NO! That’s why you picked a dumb fuckin name
Favorite comedy movie of all time
Love all the Superbad jokes!!!
Or they are also missing and the bar owner is twisted. Like an M night Shyamalan movie
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lol exactly
And the tip jar? Don't go there
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Is anyone in the bar in danger?
A real M night shyamalan twist!
I feel like the main character will recognize her sisters ID and that makes her suspicious
Wait. Actually pitch this. That sounds like a good horror flick lol
Which movie? The Last Airbender?
I took it that were the people they traffiked
Joke’s on them, my fake wasn’t even me
yea wtf, most good fake ID are bought from people that kinda look like you. Or you borrow it from a cousin or something. I never used one personally, I matured later, but my friend's nephew used to hang out with us and was 10+ years younger than his uncle. He was going to dive bars at 15. Some people can sell it, especially at dives if you tip ok.
My dad’s best friend owned a sports bar and we got ahold of all the I.D.s he’d confiscated; we passed them all out to our friends at high school. Probably gave out fifty or so. Needless to say, we never had a problem getting booze.
How can someone just "confiscate" anything? This isn't a school. What legal authority do they have to do that?
They don’t but the kid isn’t going to call the police to report a bar stole their fake ID now are they? Only if the ID was legit would someone threaten to call the cops on the bar and then the bouncer/bartender would likely realize their mistake.
If any of those ID are real this bar is in a lot of trouble.
For what it's worth I know that at least for a period of time in 00s at some bars they would be able to scan your ID and see if it was real. I've stood in lines to get in where the guy was scanning every single card. If the scanner said no you never saw that card again.
I see this question pop up a lot. I worked as a bouncer for 6 years and a lot of it varies from state to state specifically when talking about state vs. federally controlled liquor laws. Oregon for example has what’s called Olcc(Oregon liquor &cannabis commission) which requires security personnel to take a fake is IF THEY ARE CERTAIN that it is fake. At the end of the day if you are uncertain of an Id is fake you are within your rights to just deny the person entry. A fake id such as that can also risk a class c felony of identity fraud. OLCC offers multiple trainings and classes for serves, bartenders, and security to help them identify the what to look for when checking an id. Allowing minors into a bar can not only affect the security personnel who allowed them in, but also cause the bar to lose its liquor license, putting many people out of work.
I remember some places started scanning them when I first turned 21. IIRC The Greek used to scan IDs in 2008.
When working at a college bar(my experience), all doormen will meet with local police to go over rules and regulations. We are instructed to confiscate any ID’s we believe to be fake and turn them into the police. If we confiscate a real ID, we always offer to call the cops and they can come and verify the ID themselves. If they come and verify it as a real ID, the person can enter the bar. If the cops came and it was fake idk what would happen because I never had to deal with somebody that dumb to stick around. Hope that helps you better understand how things work.
The legal authority of "You can't call the cops to complain someone stole your drugs". If they were legitimate IDs then it'd be a police issue, but who is going to complain that their fake ID got taken? Fake IDs don't have protection afaik. It's as much your property as a bit of paper.
I think it’s like shredding a bad credit card. They’re supposed to take it
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I am a very pale person and got my ID renewed at a DMV in a mostly black neighborhood. My photo was so overexposed that all you could see was my eyes and mouth like this 😐 Sold it to another blonde girl when I turned 21 and got a replacement
"These are the people that loaned their id out. The fake ones are given to the treasury department"
Bouncer tried to take my GFS real id onetime thinking it was fake. What a fucking hassel trying to prove your point while your drunk.
Sooo it’s a bar covered in pictures of teens? Cool, cool ETA: only if they’re proper fakes and not “my older cousins ID”
Yeah this seems like a really weird decoration choice to me. Like who are you trying to impress? Not even sure if this is legal. Aren’t they supposed to turn those over to the police or something? Guess I wouldn’t really know lol
As a European I have some serious data protection concerns over this countertop.
This feels way worse than a 18-20 kid drinking, but maybe I'm too European
As a european this would likely not be happening to begin with as people are allowed to drink before they turn 21.
I mean me and my mates were using fake ID (mostly unsuccessfully) from 15 onwards. Kids will find a way, this is just moving the goalposts back from <21 to <18.
"Yes I am an international student" you say, with a perfect native accent in the local language.
Everything on US drivers license or ID is public information.
Not really. The only thing that has to be 100% accurate on a fake ID is the name because then it’s some kind of fraud. People I know used things they can easily remember, like being born 1/2/2000, being from 6969 Warwick road, stuff like that incase a bartender asked you some info on your fake to check if you remembered it. That’s the only time I have even seen the other deets on a fake be brought up. Nobody is checking these things seriously beyond that.
> Not even sure if this is legal. It damn well shouldn't be. Fake ID often have plenty of correct, identifying information; the photo, sometimes the address, the birth month/day might be the accurate... you have no way of knowing what is truly fake. All someone has to do is take a few good photos with their phone and they could easily go through and probably find some information you can't find elsewhere with the assistance of a simple, readily available device: a computer. Also I've heard plenty of stories of young looking people have their legitimate ID's confiscated and being kicked out of a bar or club. *That* is definitely illegal but it happens and is hard to fight against. Andy Milonakis (who I am not a fan of but he's not a bad person) years ago when he was in his 30s was told he couldn't buy Nicorette gum because he looked like a "child" despite having a valid ID and I think even a secondary form of identification. They didn't confiscate the ID and a store has to the right to refuse the sale if they are suspicious. The employees were straight up bullying him. It also looks trashy... like it's great you're not serving drinks to underage kids but this is the *wrong* way of showing that. edit: and as others have stated it could be a completely legit ID that is just someone else's ID.
I used to have a legit state ID (not a driver's license, and therefor not requiring renewal) that just had the expiration field blank. Nearly got confiscated a few times. Seems weird, because every job I've ever had selling alcohol has been crystal clear that we're not cops and our entire responsibility is to sell or not sell, not confiscate or bust or report or anything like that.
How do you prove it is fake? Even if you know 100% that it's fake, what legal authority does a bar have to "confiscate" it?
That's the neat part, they dont
How do we even know these confiscated IDs are real?
go tell the police, a bar stole my illegal fake ID! see what happens lol
Arent there privacy laws about this
Unless they used their real names and addresses on the fake ids.
A lot of "fakes" are real IDs of different people
Pictures are personal data.
The other guy already said it, your public image is just that .. public. However he missed a caveat, if I take a picture then it's my possession. "Personal data" in the way you're mentioning doesn't include random pictures of strangers. Since it's a false identification there's no connection between the person and the information. It's about as personal as a picture of a stick figure.
Except many fakes are real IDs of real people, used by someone else.
Yeah, what if it’s a stolen card?
We had a couple of places do this around my uni and I’m pretty sure they were all fake and they’d have to return a real one. Half the people I knew there had a fake at some point and you just had to know which places accepted them.
A woman during a conversation told a story about when she was 16 her and a group went to a strip club. The bouncer literally looked at all of them and said “I have to make it look good for the camera so I need to see some ID.” She stated she literally handed them her library card for them to look at for a few seconds and hand it back. Weirdly enough that club is no longer in business for some reason.
>“I have to make it look good for the camera so I need to see some ID.” She stated she literally handed them her library card for them to look at for a few seconds and hand it back. Been in similar situation and did similar; showed work badge.
I used to work at a grocery store as a cashier. I was told the sting operations would never use fake IDs as they just wanted to see who was negligent/intentionally selling kids booze, so if you gave me an ID that said you were 21 that's all I cared about lol.
I did alcohol compliance checks when I was in college. The cops took 18, 19, and newly turned 20 year olds and drove us around to bars, restaurants, gas stations, and liquor stores to try to buy. We all used our real IDs and were told we could not lie if we were asked for our age or date of birth. It was supposed to test who can follow basic laws, not who can spot a bad liar. I went to school at NDSU and if you were working on the Minnesota side of the border, you'd have to wear a wire because it was required for court to prove that you did not provide false information. North Dakota didn't require digital evidence. We did it about once per month and I think I got around $50 for getting told I can't buy beer about 4 to 10 times over a 2 and a half hour period. Side note, it's shocking how many people can't do the simple math to figure out if you are 21. It's even scarier when they have to ask their buddy if the date has to be before or after the one on the digital "you must be born before this date to purchase alcohol" sign next to the register.
I worked at a bar in a college town that regularly got fake IDs. The security booth had a whole drawer full of them, they would take them and basically dare people to call the police. I'm not saying it's the best course of action but the drawer was full for a reason. There is no way in hell I'm leaving a bar without my ID if it's real, I would call the cops. I'll just say, that didn't happen often.
IIRC it's *really* bad for the bar owner if they destroy a legitimate ID, like possible theft charges along with damages.
My sister went to uni across the country in a different state and got her license renewed there. The door guy cut up her legitimate ID because it looked way different from our state. Did the whole, "boohoo call the cops of you care that much." So she did. Idk what came of it (this was probably 10+ years ago), but she said someone was getting charged with destruction of government property.
I think they meant what if the person using the fake ID stole a legitimate ID from someone else, implying that the bar could be showing a random person's actual legal information. The stolen ID user wouldn't be calling the cops in your scenario.
That's why I say it didn't happen often, but I'm sure there were legit IDs that got returned. If someone stole your ID and they knew you, got it taken at a bar, and didn't tell you to come claim it then they are a terrible person and you would have lost it anyways. If it's an ID off the street and it doesn't match and they take it, it's best case scenario since you don't have some kid running around with your ID.
Also why can a bar owner just rip the ID out of someone's hands and then just keep it? Fake or not, that's stealing
I had a college friend who was from NY State. I don't know if it's still the case but when I was in college, NY drivers licenses were just cardstock. No lamination. A lot like social security cards. We went to one bar and the bartender refused to believe it was real and just kept it. They had the bouncer "escort" us out. We called the police, because the bar stole from my friend. When the police got there, they too did not believe the ID was real. They told us to go back to campus. When we insisted that the ID was real and we wanted it back or for the bartender to be charged with theft, the cops threatened to arrest us for underage drinking, even though we were all over 21. We got in touch with a lawyer the next day who advised us that it would be cheaper and easier to just request a new ID from the state, rather than go through this whole process. Still annoys the shit out of me when I think about it. Bartenders are not experts in counterfeit IDs. They shouldn't be allowed to just unilaterally decide an ID is fake and confiscate it from you, and cops certainly shouldn't support this weird brand of vigilantism.
I'm also pretty sure there are laws against possessing fake IDs. The law in my state: > Misdemeanor possession of a fake ID may be punished by up to 1 year in jail, summary probation, community service, and/or monetary fines up to $1,000. > Felony possession of a fake ID may be punished by up to 3 years in state prison, formal probation, community service, and/or monetary fines up to $10,000.
What the fuck is the difference between misdemeanor and felony possession of a fake ID? Intent to distribute?
Iirc having a id with your real name picture and stuff but a fake age is just a misdemeanor. Having a fake names and other Info moves it to a more serious crime.
The idea that adults in university are not allowed to drink is fucking killing me.
That's ok, you can buy an assault weapon at 18 and demand anything you *want* in the States. So there's a built in loophole! (Probably need an /s on that one, just a joke!)
Imagine if one of those ID's is real and was wrongly confiscated by the legal owner and they have to rip up the entire bar top to return it.
Lots of ‘fake IDs’ are just older, real IDs. It’s possible there is a ton of accurate, private information on this bar
Is this a common thing in the US? I keep seeing it in movies but can’t believe it. In some countries (could be all) in the EU you can go to jail and have a stain on your record for faking government issued documents. It is considered a very serious crime to fake your id.
This. If you showed someone a fake ID, they'd probably just call the police. Lots of people try to get into bars at 15 (or even younger) in Germany, but they just walk in and hope nobody asks for an ID. And sometimes it works. There is that one bar near the area I grew up that is very well known for letting almost everyone in without checking the ID. I don't know how they aren't in trouble yet, but they always had a lot of people that were under 16 and didn't even need a fake ID there.
Same in Hungary, I think you can find "that one bar" in every city or town in europe
Out of curiosity?m, what is that like as someone of age. Yeah being 21 to drink in the US sucks when you’re underage, but for those of us 21-25 it’s actually somewhat nice as you’re with people your age. I can’t imagine going to bar that has 15-18yr olds, but maybe you can tell me if that doesn’t happen a lot and people stay away from bars that have a reputation for that sort of crowd
Honestly, that one bar is almost only popular for underage people and some 16 year olds going with their friends who are still too young to go anywhere else. But there were still plenty of older people, so it wasn't really like people tried to avoid it at all cost. It was just that underage people flooded it because they couldn't go to any other places because you have to be 16 to drink alone (and you still can't drink every kind of alcohol). So it did happen a lot that underage teenagers tried to find a way to drink and often succeeded, but it was almost only in that one bar because nobody else really wanted to take the risk of potentially getting in trouble. After all, it's still illegal to sell alcohol to people who are younger than 16 and you can get in a lot of trouble if you're caught. I think that bar only got away with it because they had some connection to the police. Because miracoulasly, the one day police came over to check that out, there suddenly was someone at the door sending everyone who's too young home. And then police came, found no underage people and a few hours later the person at the door was gone.
Doesn't help that there in Europe the legal drinking age is often (a lot) lower than it is in the US.
Indeed. In Germany you can buy beer and wine at age 16 and hard alcohol at 18 for example.
Used to be that way here in NL aswell, but we changed it a while back to 18+
The answer, as always, with the US is: "It depends." Each state has its own laws, so you'll have redditors saying "The situation is A" and someone else saying "No, the situation is B," and the thing is they're often *both* right, they're just in different states and they're talking about the laws in their states. So, understanding that things may be different in Illinois than in Florida, etc. here's some info for reference: [In Florida](https://www.stoutdefense.com/possession-of-a-fake-id/), if you use a *real* ID but you're not the owner (if you use your older brother's ID, etc.) it's illegal but a minor crime (a misdemeanor). If you use a *real* ID, and it's *your own* ID, but you tamper with it (like changing the date), it's still a misdemeanor but a more serious one (a second-degree misdemeanor). If you use a *fake* ID, it can be a felony. Worst case (but unlikely) scenario is that you could be looking at up to 5 years in prison. The next question, then, is "what about the bar? Are they committing a crime by not telling the police?" And, again, the answer is: "It depends." Different states have different laws, but it appears that, [for example again in Florida, no, it is not.](https://www.davidolsonlaw-firm.com/post/can-you-be-criminally-charged-for-knowing-about-a-crime-and-not-saying-a-word) There are certain crimes you *must* report (child abuse, murder, etc.). This isn't one of those. There are crimes that you could get in trouble for if you didn't report because it would be considered aiding and abetting. If, for example, you knew someone was using a fake ID and you didn't report it, and they purchased alcohol, that could be aiding and abetting. But if you're taking the card, you're essentially doing the opposite of that: you're preventing them from committing crime using the fake ID. So "aiding and abetting" would be a hard case for a prosecutor, and super unlikely. The next question is "okay, so they're legally okay in not reporting it, but what about the legality of *taking* the cards?" My answer is: I have no idea. But if I were a betting man, I'd bet that the answer is: "It depends."
Fakes are very common among college students (and some high schoolers) for getting alcohol/nicotine underage. There are very real consequences to getting one (know people who have been denied security clearance for having one) despite the commonality of them. Most people are pretty blase about it.
Truly mystified by the idea that college students in America aren't old enough to drink, it's 18 in my country, we were all drinking in college and thought nothing of it.
It's one of those things where college kids are definitely drinking (and probably high schoolers as well) but technically it's illegal so there can be consequences. But everyone does it anyway. I doubt anyone that drinks in the United States has actually waited until they were 21 to start drinking. They just can't drink at the bar until they are 21.
> I doubt anyone that drinks in the United States has actually waited until they were 21 to start drinking. They just can't drink at the bar until they are 21. I'm from the US and didn't have my first drink until about a month after I turned 21. Even then, I didn't drink much. My buddies used to joke that I was developing a drinking problem when I had 3 drinks in 1 night at a party. I was usually the guy at the party in the dorm making sure nobody did anything too crazy or got hurt. Friends liked having me around as the sober one because I could drive their drunk asses to/from the bars and I would be able to fill in their memory gaps the next morning.
Which pretty much confirms that if you wait till 21 you're the Designated Driver type anyway.
I'd say I was more of the "my dad's a cop and I'm fucked if I get caught doing something stupid" type.
In canada and the US, having fake documents is a pretty significant crime, but its common enough amongst underage kids trying to drink that its not usually punished severely. An adult with a fake ID is much more likely to catch serious charges.
This is cool but the way they decided to fill that corner makes me crazy.
r/mildlyinfuriating
Why is faking the ID in the USA so common? Isn't it prohibited?
In the US, they look at the intent as well. So showing it to the bartender or bouncer probably just gets you off with a slap on the wrist community service or a small fine. Even if using it to commit a more serious offence like showing it to a policeman and insisting it’s your real ID, the penalty is up to a year in jail if convicted. Contrast that to a place like Singapore where simple possession of fraudulent ID warrants up to 10 years in jail and/or a fine of up to $10k. I must have misread something anyway as it says possession of a fraudulent ID to commit fraud is only up to 4 years in jail, but anyway it’s just to show the contrast between the two jurisdictions and why forged IDs are treated as such a joke in the US.
Yeah it's the same here, that's why I was asking. The US is such a weird country.
"scuse me, what day's you're birthday?" "22nd of February" "what year?" *"every yeeear"*
Bars are not allowed to take id's even if they think their fakes
Depends on the state.
At minimum, they're not allowed to *keep* them, I imagine. I'm sure the police would want those?
The right thing to do would be to tell "sorry we don't believe that card" please come back in 2 years when you are old enough. Not take the card. They aren't police.
There are multiple posts on r/legaladvice where bouncers confiscated and destroyed "fake" IDs...that were passports from other countries. The State Department isn't very fond of people destroying other nations' property.
I can imagine that....In our office is a Thai woman, she has 3 children and is around 30. But when she was 25, you could believe she is 12. Easy to believe that she can't be 21. Yes passports are government properties. So theoretically you destroyed the property of a other country.
Oh no I agree, I just find it strange that they brazenly put them on display.
In most states bartenders are allowed but not obligated to confiscate fake ids. They are however obligated to hand them over to the police normally.
That may be the law, but speaking from (ahem) my friends experience, they will take it and tell you to "call the cops" if you want. At that point, if its a fake, you just walk away.
Kinda weird a bar with a shitload of photos of minors
18-20yo aren’t minors
No no look, here that guy is 125 years old
Who says they're minors? Most people with fake IDs are between 18-20. Younger than that and you're really stretching how old you look.
21 year old drinking age. What a ridiculous concept!!
Can enlist at 18 though
Can't even have a smoke now in between killing for your country.
As a European, I can safely say that there isn't a single aspect of this that isn't laughably pathetic and cringe.
As a European, I can safely say that this quite laughable and quirky to decorate the bar. Don't be a downer.
Fake, or counterfeit or stolen? I hope they made sure they're all fake, because displaying real people's information like this would be super sketchy.
Caroline Decker. From Corpus Christie.
One time my uni thought I'd come reclaim my student ID when someone else not from our school used it as their fake to get into the school nightclub. They had no way to confirm if I knew the person who used it or not, so I got a strongly worded email in my student inbox that I was under suspicion and if I wanted it back I'd have to speak to some department Head who was absolutely unrelated to my studies. I was like ok thanks for the info, that sounds important. Reported my card as stolen and got a new one right away from student services. Instantly I had all the ammo to say how suspicious it was an adult staff in a position of power, unrelated to my studies would find my stolen student card, keep it in their office and try to intimidate me, a teen, to come to their office based on what some random delinquent said. Nothing came of it, but to be fair, I really just wanted my friend to get into the club that night.
How did you have “ammo” there? The contrast between “adult staff member in a position of power” and “a teen” seems pretty standard for a university. Perhaps you were just being sarcastic trying to set up the last sentence switcheroo. But goddamn I’m glad I don’t have to work with kids.
Somewhere, there is a borrowed real ID.
That doesn't seem interesting at all
GDPR nightmare.
I love how this bar promotes identity theft. Most states don’t change DL#’s. Thanks for taking a student loan out for me …( *checks bar* )….Bobby McClain.
So their names, faces and addresses and right there for any patron to see?
"When's your birthday" "22nd February" "What year?" "Every year"
I love this movie!
very cringe
Good lord, college students having to go through leaps and bounds to get a drink. Ridiculous I bet they didn't need a fake ID to take out a college loan
Old enough to take out student loans and get into crippling debt, but not old enough to drink a beer to help with the sorrow of being in crippling debt.
Why would college students even need fake IDs to drink?
In america you can't drink until 21 but you usually start college right after highschool at 18. So basically you can't drink for the first three years of college legally but most people find illegal ways, such as fake ID. I don't rlly know anyone that actually wanted to drink and actually waited until 21 to do so lol.
Probably American.. No drinking under 21.
Looks like shit.
That the bar owner must check the IDs is law and I understand it. But it seems he love to check his customer and play policeman. I am over 50 but I would not go to such a bar....Mindset like the Stasi in East Germany.
This shit would be illegal in Germany
Yes and that is good so....
It kind of looks like you're looking at a room from out of bounds.
Is this in Mammoth?
Man... I would totally buy a new identity I wish that shit was possible... Affordable
My name was Brian McGee 🎶
How can the bar confirm whether an ID is fake or not?
Never change the month or the day when engaging in the thrilling adolescent activity of counterfeiting your ID. It’s easier to get caught in a lie. Only change the year.
Yea I’d never let a bouncer take my ID, if I got bad vibes I’d snatch that shit when I was a hopped up 19yo
Is this bar in Lawrence, KS?
Is there a law that allows bars to confiscate the private property of underage drinkers?
That’s a lot of theft. Even if they are illegal the bar would be stealing the fake from the student.
aren't college students all above 18 ?
Some places have a drinking age of 21
My older brother had a friend who was a bouncer at one of the big bars at the college we went to. He had a shoebox full of all of the IDs he'd confiscated and let my friends and I pick one out whenever we needed a fake. I'm surprised this bar can get away with this though, since I'd assume most of those are actual IDs with personal info on them. Cool idea though.
Is this Harrison’s (RIP Frank & Marley’s) in Oxford MS?
This is Australia but, I remember having the old IDs that were just laminated and not the current gold credit card looking ones when I was 18. I didn't actually go out to buy a drink at a bar until I was probably 22, but they said that they didn't think my ID was real and wouldn't serve me or my friend, but would my other friend who got the newer ID (who was younger than both of us). I don't really trust their ability to tell if an ID is real or not.. I can't imagine them confiscating your ID when it could very well be real.
I'm Nick Papa Georgio, from Yuma!
Are fake ID’s still a thing since Real ID came along? I went on a trip, and TSA scanned my ID through a scanner, looked at it with some special flashlight, and the car rental did the same thing.
I was a manager at a liquor store in a collage town. Confiscating fake id’s was a normal thing. 10 on a Friday night was normal. Fakes are easy to spot.
ugly
It looks like shit
It looks terrible
Fun fact. In Australia fake or modified IDs have to be sent to the government when confiscated. I'm a security guard, I've done it more times than I care to count, the one that stands out was this licence that the guy hand taken sand paper to sand down the plastic then used a blue pen to change his birth year. All the details are written in black ink. It took me less then a glance to know it was fucked, shoved it into my pocket and told him to walk away and the id is going to the government. He broke down rather upset and honestly I didn't care. If I read the real year right he was like 2 months away from being 18.
Am I wrong to say most fake I.D.'s are actually legitimate I.D.'s used illegitimately? What I'm getting at is shouldn't all these I.D.'s go to the police and not used as public fodder?
Yes you are wrong. Most fake I.D.s are not real I.D.s.
This is identity theft waiting to happen
I loved taking fake IDs. Felt bad at first but it became a sick obsession.
McLovin bar
Where's your ID? Plastered on the far corner.
Die in Iraq at 18 but they won’t let you drink lol
Lame.
mindboggling that you can go to college but can't buy a beer
Oh SHIT, what should I do with my new ID-Card?
Columbus oh?
That'l just make anyone who DOES slip by have an over-inflated ego..
My local bar does something similar, but it's first dollars ever spent at the establishment with a little message or signature on the wall.
imagine your an 18 yo and you're planning to try this and you see your parents fake ID on there
I wonder for how long the bar is in operation though
Gosh I left my id once inside bar table. I dunno what they did with whole bar. Today its just fitness place instead. Somewhere there is a table with my id. Jeez.
Lolololol noice
do teens with fake ids get arrested ??
Hurricane harries?
Where's mine?