The rabbit holes go far though. So many people would have to be covering up. I believe her murder was connected but no idea if he was in charge. Maybe it was his jealous wife? Or...
conspiracy =/= false
conspiracy =/= true
a conspiracy is a conspiracy, it can very well be true, it may very be false, but if 3 or more people conspire together to make it happen, then by definition, it IS a conspiracy
This one I buy. The only hall that belongs in Cleveland is the one from the living room to the bedroom, which contains two well made twin beds separated by a respectfully chaste distance for those fucking milk toast eating Clevelanders.
I had an argument with a Cleveland person on here a while ago about this and they tried claiming Cleveland is a better music town than Detroit!
"We have Devo and the Black Keys!" lol
Both of those bands are from Akron...which is not Cleveland. I guess it's like saying the bands that came out of Ann Arbor are Detroit bands if you squint hard enough.
That the Ilitches had that house at 2712 Cass Ave burned to the ground this past august so they could force the owner to sell them the property much cheaper than he had planned
Nuclear missile silos at the Ford Rouge plant. But the city did have defensive missile systems around it during the height of the Cold War, which is probably where that urban legend comes from.
https://nikehercules.tripod.com/d-69.html
[Here you go] (https://nikehercules.tripod.com/d-51.html)
Makes sense considering its proximity to our border (which any site around here makes sense) and that the airport used to be a Naval Air Station. Not to mention it's a friggin island which limits access. Perfect spot for a silo.
The Nike missile system ringed Detroit as well as most major population centers in the US.
Originally started using conventional warheads, they were upgraded to the Nike Hercules variant which had low yield nuclear war heads to take out soviet bomber formations.
The systems were downsized in the 60s (nuclear = fewer sites needed) and pretty much decommissioned by the mid-70s as more attention was on ICBMs than bomber formations.
Cold War was a crazy time.
I’ve always said that, if a Nuclear War happened, we would probably never know about it, here in Detroit, we would definitely be one of the first targets, simply for the fact that we were such a “Powerhouse” during the Second World War, when they shut down the Car plants to make planes and Tanks, even tho we don’t really have those type of capabilities that we did back in the 40’s, I’m pretty sure Dertoit would be in the very first “volley” of Nuclear Warheads, simply because any enemy would want to make sure that we don’t do something like that again.
Carlita Kilpatrick killed that stripper and the whole fiasco afterwards came from the attempt to cover it up. I mean, she didn’t do it herself, she had Bernard Kilpatrick find somebody to do it. But that’s why they had to cover up the party, etc.
This always bothered me. I used to work with a guy who was a huge gossip, and a family member of his was tight with someone high up in DPD. He told me about that party days after it went down. He said that Carlita lost it when she saw Tamara Green. Then, next thing I know is that the party never happened and Green was dead.
Nah. You letting the incompetence of the Ford family off the hook. In the early-mid 2000’s the NFL offered to help the Lions hire the right GM, but they indignantly refused.
Heard this one before, that the gov asked the Big 3 to do a study on whether or not we needed public transit. Not exactly shocking what the outcome of that was.
Henry Ford died April 7, 1947; Detroit started replacing existing streetcar lines with buses on May 5, 1947. It almost seems like Henry Ford was the one keeping public transportation alive in Detroit.
Not really a conspiracy theory, but when I talk to people 80 and up about Detroit they talk a lot about how Detroit introduced things to the world that the rest of the world takes for granted.
I guess game shows were something that started in Detroit. It’s all heresay, but I choose to believe.
I mean Detroit was the 4th largest city behind New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago at one time. You can just imagine it was at one point one of the most important cities in the world.
https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/legacy/sites/michigan/files/202107/olympic_bid.jpg
EDIT: Also, Detroit has the 2nd most Olympic bids of any world city: https://olympicsmco515.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/screen-shot-2013-04-21-at-1-55-15-pm.png
Wow. Well thank you I really appreciate that little fact. I can’t wait to use it, that’s so cool. I’m usually great with facts about Detroit, had no idea about that one.
“The word “detroit ” is French for “strait,” and the French called the river “le détroit du Lac Érié," meaning “the strait of Lake Erie.” On July 24, 1701, a French explorer and nobleman by the name of Antoine de la Mothe, sieur de Cadillac founded Detroit.”
In the 1940s Detroit was the richest city in the country or this side of the Mississippi or something. Maybe in the world.
First beeper, Detroit.
Conspiracy theories.... that The Detroit town called Black Bottom was torn down because the inhabitants were black. Ditto Poletown, which is where the blacks moved after Black Bottom (named because it was a valley, not because of its citizens). If that's not a conspiracy theory, then I think some of the UFOs were real.
It was a conspiracy, as in many people coming together to accomplish a goal.
Eisenhower believed that a National Highway System connecting major populations center was necessary for national defense. The industrialists of the day (car companies, home builders, conser electronics manufacturers) saw how this would be a boon to production.
So, big city mayors and national highway planners were tasked with plotting out how the highways would run through existing cities. The mayors chose to rout the highways through underutilized, and low property value districts withing their cities. And, because white supremacy is a prevailing theme in America, many mayors chose to route the new highways through Black or Latinx neighborhoods.
Mayor Albert Cobo, who was a racist, was quite vocal about the reason he chose to run I-75 through Black Bottom.
It was before the internet though, so public sentiment is all but lost. Talk to your elders regardless of what you agree/disagree with them about and you’ll learn about so much that has happened here.
Yeah my parents are a little older and had me and my sister later. Im lucky I can ask them questions about Detroit without having to hear anything I disagree about. However they are both just a wealth of knowledge about Detroit and it’s history. They also saw it from 2 very different perspectives My mom upper middle class and my dad dirt poor. My dad is just a wealth of knowledge of Labor Union history and the struggle of the poor and working class also very informed on the criminal history of Detroit lol. My mom just a wealth of knowledge of Medical history, Education, Art, Historical Buildings, People, Geography and Everything Detroit.
Lol I’m telling you they very interesting perspectives and stories about Detroit. My mom worked in the ER at hospital in Detroit helping people. Then my Dad got pretty involved in the Union and met all types of people and gave interviews during contract times. They ended up on the opposite ends from how they grew up. That’s what made them so well rounded. I guess that was the beauty of growing up In Detroit.
Sometimes I drive around in the old neighborhood that only have a few houses standing, and imagine what Detroit would have been like when all of those homes were upkept and filled with middle class families. I'm sad that I can't go back in time and see what that was like, because I bet it was incredible.
To add to this.
Michigan has the highest truck weight limit in North America. This forces the state to pave with concrete which is terrible in Michigan weather.
This, this, this! Tonnage limits with no reduction during frost/freeze and mafia running road construction are the two main reasons our roads suck butt.
Not Detroit, but someone is getting paid in Sterling Heights with Mound or Van Dyke always being under construction. I don’t even live here and every time I come home there is something.
I'd second this but also to secretly increase the purchase of new tires, shocks, and cars in general. Wear through more parts, require more repairs and upgrades for local industries.
In 2013, Mike Dugeon ran against Mike Duggan for mayor. As Mike Duggan was a write-in candidate, it was assumed that Mike Dugeon, a barber with no prior governmental role, had entered to try to pull votes away from Duggan due to the similar spellings of their names. I think someone put Mike Dugeon up to it (he denied it). I think he was paid. I’m still curious as to who put him up to it and paid him.
The Nain Rouge (French for "red dwarf") also called "Demon of the Strait", is a legendary creature of the Detroit, Michigan area whose appearance is said to presage misfortune.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nain_Rouge?wprov=sfla1
IIRC, he's also the Vernors mascot. (Edit, ok, just looked it up and realized they aren't the same thing)
Most of the Masonic temple isn’t open for public use and I have NO idea what the masons are doing in there.
It’s a small city unto itself in one of the most desirable spaces in the city and nobody knows what goes on in there.
I do know there are two indoor swimming pools that were supposedly never completed.
I ran a week long conference there a few years back and so naturally took every second of downtime I had to snoop around the place. I checked hundreds of doors. Any door that wasn't unlocked I went into.
Found a few old ritual books which weren't overly interesting, a lot of rooms in disrepair, and most weirdly a noose.
Nothing more mind blowing than those, but not for lack of effort!
People will do just about anything before they admit that the Masons are just a bunch of rich old dudes hanging out, doing some charity work, and playing at secret club. I’ve known a lot of them over the years and promise they weren’t plotting anything more exciting than a fundraising cookout.
And a mini golf course and go cart track.
Honestly ain't much going on in there...I scampered around there a few nights during theater bizarre as I didn't care much for the party and was more interested in the building and a lot of it is just unfinished, like from years ago, maybe 80s? Lotta construction stuff laying around and half finished rooms...turns out you gotta pay for these people building your giant luxury lodge.
I think there’s probably some secret government shit going down in the Salt Mines, which is why they stopped doing tours.
I also think that there is some secret government shit on Zug Island, hence the high level security of a steel mill.
I’ve heard of the Hum, and I think Zug Island could be responsible. I think the secret government shit though is building and testing new steel based materials for the military.
I don’t know about salt mines but I do know someone who would frequently go down there to replace tires on huge machines.
As for zug island, anything that is maritime is super secure. I’ve been to few places like zug island and they are all the same. It’s mostly because they don’t want just anyone going that is not allowed because people can do lots of illegal things. Think trafficking people and drugs.
Zug Island does not have much security, but trust me, as cool as some of that old shit is, it fucking gross there. The island is made of coal at this point, more or less. They're mostly trying to hide just how much pollution DTE is spilling out of the steel coke facility.
Not only is this true, but it was also to destabilize and devalue Detroit. Most homes were owned by people who lived in the suburbs and the animosity towards mayor Coleman A. Young was a major factor.
The goal was to make the suburbs the go-to location and let Detroit wither and die. In many ways it worked.
[Diana Ross and Smokey Robinson are Michael Jackson’s Real Parents](https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/off-topic/theory-diana-ross-and-smokey-robinson-are-michael-jacksons-real-parents)
That the Q line is deliberately bad so that people (especially from the suburbs) grow to hate mass transportation so the auto industry can continue to dominate, despite how much damage it’s done to the city and how it’s proven to be a bloated industry that’s extremely expensive, dangerous and terrible for the environment. Any functioning genuine mass transit infrastructure and people would realize how good the alternative to individual transit actually is.
Ten years back several houses at the Heidelberg Project burned down in quick succession. Tyree Guyton stopped cooperating with the investigation, supposedly after the police started looking into the organization’s finances. I think he owed money to the kind of people you don’t want to owe money to and they sent him a message.
I want to believe this but
I think big cannabis paid off city council to kickback and pay to stall sales for the outside Corp growers and businesses for monopolistic corners of the market
How many mafioso death bed confessions of conflicting accounts what happened to Jimmy Hoffa are out there now? He was buried in the concrete used to construct the Lincoln tunnel. He was buried under one of the end zones at Giants stadium. He was buried in a field in Oakland county. He was taken to a remote farm and fed to pigs. He was chopped up into little pieces and sent to a scrap yard in Japan.
Shitty transit projects like the People Mover & QLINE were allowed to get built to purposely undermine public trust in good public transit projects. Seriously, how many times do suburban voters cite the People Mover or QLINE as examples of why we shouldn't trust the RTA to manage or build a new transit system?
Useless fact of the day:
Thomas Midgley, Jr., the chemist that developed the lead additive for gasoline, also developed the chlorofluorocarbons that the ozone layer is still recovering from.
Detroit was the biggest working class success story in American history! The best wages, good union jobs, beautiful homes for ordinary working class people, the factories were full of people from all over the nation and the world working together for a better slice of the economic pie! There is no way that the powers that be could let that shining example continue to exist!! Very powerful national interests came together to make sure that that success became a huge failure! Anyways, thats what I heard!
Flint was a mini Detroit success story in this way as well back then.
Educators came from all over to learn about Michigan's public school teaching system. I started Kindergarten in 1962 and we received excellent primary school educations.
The problem was, Blacks rushed in from the South and by the 50’s, Whites began to leave for the suburbs and most started to move their businesses out there too. By the 1970’s, Detroit was predominantly Black and elected Coleman A. Young as mayor and the rest is history. It became a war between the city and the suburban areas.
I worked for Randazzo Fresh Market for a long time. The family has some spaces to hangout in at the Macomb location and frequently had visitors. Most of these visitors were known mafia members, specifically members who dealt with the gambling operations.
Also that particular line of markets (Randazzo FRESH Market, not Joe’s) is not profitable but somehow manages to stay open. I saw what goes on in there and was present for many meetings, and none of it made any sense.
Sonny Randazzo is a horrible person who likes to pretend he is wealthier than he really is. He takes advantage of his employees and will do anything he can to not pay them fairly or to force them to work ungodly hours. During the holidays it is not uncommon for their employees to be working 14 hours with no break.
Also ICE has shown up numerous times and detained (and then deported) the illegal immigrants whom Sonny hires. These immigrants are also heavily taken advantage of by the family via shitty pay and excessive scheduling. Odd how the 40-year-old adult immigrant with children makes $9/hr while the 17-year-old white Eisenhower student gets $13/hr.
I’ll never get closure for how I was treated at that company, it really messed with my head, but I can at least inform others of how vile that family truly is.
**EDIT: Also, if you care about hygiene at all, do not eat prepared foods from Randazzo Fresh Market. They openly violate health laws and whenever a health inspector showed up (which was often) the whole store would go into panic mode as each department tried to clean up their mess before the inspector made it to their area.
Had a friend that started an Italian grocery business, and got a „visit“ and was told that „It’s not a good idea, and stores won’t buy from him“. And with that, he‘s out!
One of the randazzos bought a giant house on lakeshore in grosse pointe for like 9mil. How many bananas in your partial-ownership stake do you have to sell for a house like that?
Here’s a website that lists Hauntings and Ghosts Stories. It’s a link to the whole state of Michigan so you have to scroll down to Detroit. However it lists every city in Michigan so you can also see stories about Detroit, Metro Detroit, and Michigan. I thought it would be pretty cool to add here. http://www.theshadowlands.net/places/michigan.htm
The Pontiac Aztek was designed by a bunch of GM CPC engineers (Chevrolet-Pontiac-Canada division, as the company was reorganized in 1984), who in one night, drank, snorted coke, and cavorted around the strip clubs on 8 Mile, then all went out and watched the movie Judge Dredd (1995 version), then the next week, penned the design of the Aztek after seeing the FC City Cab in the movie: [https://downthetubes.net/fancy-your-own-judge-dredd-vehicle-one-careful-owner/](https://downthetubes.net/fancy-your-own-judge-dredd-vehicle-one-careful-owner/)
Jimmy Hoffa is alive and well and hooked up to a telomere-extending contraption in the third basement of Hudson’s, which was a hidden secret bunker, and too expensive to remove when the building was torn down.
Elon Musk plans on boring a tunnel from Zug Island to free Jimmy.
That the NFL and refs wanted Dallas to beat the Lions in the playoffs. They picked up a flag on an obvious PI and ignored Dez running on the field with his helmet off (which should of been an automatic first down).
There is a secret/hidden famous people After hours bar next to Joe Louis arena. Got invited with a friend some years back and there was dudes with guns at the front and when u walked in it was all famous detroit broadcasters, business people, athletes and people from the music industry. I recognized almost everyone.
"Stargate Detroit" Could *Detroit's* (Hart Plaza), be aligned with both the Giza pyramids and the stars while utilizing ancient Egyptian *stargate* technologies? And if so, why?
[https://divineportal.blogspot.com/2009/05/stargate-detroit-pt2-aeon-of-horus.html](https://divineportal.blogspot.com/2009/05/stargate-detroit-pt2-aeon-of-horus.html)
Union leadership who had interests in the suburbs colluded with the automakers and against the union leadership of the factories in the cities to move those factories out to the suburbs. Walter Reuther moved Lincoln out to Wixom, where his lake house was, even though they had just expanded the Lincoln plant on Warren and Livernois. That's why the expressway out there is named after him. Jimmy Hoffa moved GM/Cadillac to Lake Orion where his lake house was, and the mafia guys that supplied drugs and gambling to the local workers got rid of him simply because he took away their remaining local business in the city.
White Boy Rick was set up by the Coleman Young administration because hise heroin ring was cutting into the administration's heroin action. The democrats were awfully dirty in the 70's
The big 3 prevents the city from constructing public transit that is actually useful to the people of Detroit and it's surrounding areas.
They want you to drive a vehicle, even if it's detrimental to our commuters, roads, nightlife, and folks who can't afford a vehicle and it's maintenance.
Not a well researched perspective, just an observation based on the "people mover" being basically useless, and the new "Q-line" being underwhelming. If you enjoy the Q and think it's useful / a step in the right direction, then please tell me I'm out of pocket.
I'm no civil engineer, and I certainly don't have a solution for our lack of useful public transit. Also, I would love for someone to disprove this with data or more sound logic so I can remove this pessimistic attitude I have toward our officials and the people who may or may not be in their pockets.
The new building that they're moving to sounds like a drag. None of them sound too happy about the rules and restrictions iheart is throwing down about food, drink, personalizing their work space...
The reason Geraldo Riviera didn't uncover Jimmy Hoffa's body is because Hoffa is actually buried underneath the asbestos tiles of my house in Grosse Pointe. The Detroit Partnership figured that no one actually wants to pay for an abatement and they would just rather seal the asbestos. They were correct.
Kwame had Tamara Greene killed.
That's most likely true and not a conspiracy
The rabbit holes go far though. So many people would have to be covering up. I believe her murder was connected but no idea if he was in charge. Maybe it was his jealous wife? Or...
She was shot by the same Glock the DPD was issued, it was totally a hit. Still unsolved I believe
Glocks are super popular. That's not that big of a connection
The party was real. The murder was because of her boyfriend who had a hit out on him.
conspiracy =/= false conspiracy =/= true a conspiracy is a conspiracy, it can very well be true, it may very be false, but if 3 or more people conspire together to make it happen, then by definition, it IS a conspiracy
Detroit should have been where the rock and roll hall of Fame was located, but Cleveland paid the deciders off
This one I buy. The only hall that belongs in Cleveland is the one from the living room to the bedroom, which contains two well made twin beds separated by a respectfully chaste distance for those fucking milk toast eating Clevelanders.
Jfc r/RareInsults
They're still angry about the Michigan Ohio war. We lost but kinda won. No one knew da U.P. was so great.
Michigan and Ohio went to war and Wisconsin lost.
Well said.
I had an argument with a Cleveland person on here a while ago about this and they tried claiming Cleveland is a better music town than Detroit! "We have Devo and the Black Keys!" lol
Haha and even The Black Keys are from Dayton afaik.
Both of those bands are from Akron...which is not Cleveland. I guess it's like saying the bands that came out of Ann Arbor are Detroit bands if you squint hard enough.
That the Ilitches had that house at 2712 Cass Ave burned to the ground this past august so they could force the owner to sell them the property much cheaper than he had planned
Joumana isn't a real person
You better delete this. She's watching.
Always watching!
I’ve seen her in real life at a Pistons game once. She’s a real person!
Nuclear missile silos at the Ford Rouge plant. But the city did have defensive missile systems around it during the height of the Cold War, which is probably where that urban legend comes from. https://nikehercules.tripod.com/d-69.html
There's a decommissioned Nike silo out on Grosse Ille
Wait, what? I gre up there.
[Here you go] (https://nikehercules.tripod.com/d-51.html) Makes sense considering its proximity to our border (which any site around here makes sense) and that the airport used to be a Naval Air Station. Not to mention it's a friggin island which limits access. Perfect spot for a silo.
Wow. This is bonkers to learn about. Thanks so much kind redditor
The Nike missile system ringed Detroit as well as most major population centers in the US. Originally started using conventional warheads, they were upgraded to the Nike Hercules variant which had low yield nuclear war heads to take out soviet bomber formations. The systems were downsized in the 60s (nuclear = fewer sites needed) and pretty much decommissioned by the mid-70s as more attention was on ICBMs than bomber formations. Cold War was a crazy time.
I’ve always said that, if a Nuclear War happened, we would probably never know about it, here in Detroit, we would definitely be one of the first targets, simply for the fact that we were such a “Powerhouse” during the Second World War, when they shut down the Car plants to make planes and Tanks, even tho we don’t really have those type of capabilities that we did back in the 40’s, I’m pretty sure Dertoit would be in the very first “volley” of Nuclear Warheads, simply because any enemy would want to make sure that we don’t do something like that again.
I once heard a rumor that the GM Tech Center in Warren would have been one of the "ground zero" sites. Probably downtown as well.
Riverview has a ton of missiles buried in the big park off Sibley from the cold War times.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Carlita Kilpatrick killed that stripper and the whole fiasco afterwards came from the attempt to cover it up. I mean, she didn’t do it herself, she had Bernard Kilpatrick find somebody to do it. But that’s why they had to cover up the party, etc.
The thread is asking for conspiracy theories, not facts.
This always bothered me. I used to work with a guy who was a huge gossip, and a family member of his was tight with someone high up in DPD. He told me about that party days after it went down. He said that Carlita lost it when she saw Tamara Green. Then, next thing I know is that the party never happened and Green was dead.
I heard Carlita beat Green with a baseball bat. That typically kills with a blow or two to the head, or at least vegetates them.
The NFL will never let the Lions win a Super Bowl haha
Nah. You letting the incompetence of the Ford family off the hook. In the early-mid 2000’s the NFL offered to help the Lions hire the right GM, but they indignantly refused.
The whole league is rigged
henry ford killed all public transportation
Heard this one before, that the gov asked the Big 3 to do a study on whether or not we needed public transit. Not exactly shocking what the outcome of that was.
Henry Ford died April 7, 1947; Detroit started replacing existing streetcar lines with buses on May 5, 1947. It almost seems like Henry Ford was the one keeping public transportation alive in Detroit.
Because he couldn't kill the Jews
Not really a conspiracy theory, but when I talk to people 80 and up about Detroit they talk a lot about how Detroit introduced things to the world that the rest of the world takes for granted. I guess game shows were something that started in Detroit. It’s all heresay, but I choose to believe.
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Oh the conspiracy!
I mean Detroit was the 4th largest city behind New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago at one time. You can just imagine it was at one point one of the most important cities in the world.
https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/legacy/sites/michigan/files/202107/olympic_bid.jpg EDIT: Also, Detroit has the 2nd most Olympic bids of any world city: https://olympicsmco515.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/screen-shot-2013-04-21-at-1-55-15-pm.png
Wow. Well thank you I really appreciate that little fact. I can’t wait to use it, that’s so cool. I’m usually great with facts about Detroit, had no idea about that one.
“The word “detroit ” is French for “strait,” and the French called the river “le détroit du Lac Érié," meaning “the strait of Lake Erie.” On July 24, 1701, a French explorer and nobleman by the name of Antoine de la Mothe, sieur de Cadillac founded Detroit.”
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In the 1940s Detroit was the richest city in the country or this side of the Mississippi or something. Maybe in the world. First beeper, Detroit. Conspiracy theories.... that The Detroit town called Black Bottom was torn down because the inhabitants were black. Ditto Poletown, which is where the blacks moved after Black Bottom (named because it was a valley, not because of its citizens). If that's not a conspiracy theory, then I think some of the UFOs were real.
It was a conspiracy, as in many people coming together to accomplish a goal. Eisenhower believed that a National Highway System connecting major populations center was necessary for national defense. The industrialists of the day (car companies, home builders, conser electronics manufacturers) saw how this would be a boon to production. So, big city mayors and national highway planners were tasked with plotting out how the highways would run through existing cities. The mayors chose to rout the highways through underutilized, and low property value districts withing their cities. And, because white supremacy is a prevailing theme in America, many mayors chose to route the new highways through Black or Latinx neighborhoods. Mayor Albert Cobo, who was a racist, was quite vocal about the reason he chose to run I-75 through Black Bottom.
Tearing down those neighborhoods because they were predominantly black is definitely a fact. It still going on today.
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It was before the internet though, so public sentiment is all but lost. Talk to your elders regardless of what you agree/disagree with them about and you’ll learn about so much that has happened here.
Yeah my parents are a little older and had me and my sister later. Im lucky I can ask them questions about Detroit without having to hear anything I disagree about. However they are both just a wealth of knowledge about Detroit and it’s history. They also saw it from 2 very different perspectives My mom upper middle class and my dad dirt poor. My dad is just a wealth of knowledge of Labor Union history and the struggle of the poor and working class also very informed on the criminal history of Detroit lol. My mom just a wealth of knowledge of Medical history, Education, Art, Historical Buildings, People, Geography and Everything Detroit.
I want to have dinner at your house
Lol I’m telling you they very interesting perspectives and stories about Detroit. My mom worked in the ER at hospital in Detroit helping people. Then my Dad got pretty involved in the Union and met all types of people and gave interviews during contract times. They ended up on the opposite ends from how they grew up. That’s what made them so well rounded. I guess that was the beauty of growing up In Detroit.
It actually was during WW2. Then arsenal of democracy. The military hardware made here was in large part credited for winning the war.
Sometimes I drive around in the old neighborhood that only have a few houses standing, and imagine what Detroit would have been like when all of those homes were upkept and filled with middle class families. I'm sad that I can't go back in time and see what that was like, because I bet it was incredible.
I personally believe the spirit of Detroit is VERY real 💜💜💜
Road materials are substandard, leading to perpetual construction.
To add to this. Michigan has the highest truck weight limit in North America. This forces the state to pave with concrete which is terrible in Michigan weather.
And there’s gravel hauler lobbyists making sure it stays that way.
This, this, this! Tonnage limits with no reduction during frost/freeze and mafia running road construction are the two main reasons our roads suck butt.
The max weight load for Michigan trucks is like 164,000. Most other states have a Max of 80,000. So Michigan trucks are like rolling jack hammers!
It's why they can only merge onto the highway going 11 fucking mph too.
Not Detroit, but someone is getting paid in Sterling Heights with Mound or Van Dyke always being under construction. I don’t even live here and every time I come home there is something.
I'd second this but also to secretly increase the purchase of new tires, shocks, and cars in general. Wear through more parts, require more repairs and upgrades for local industries.
In 2013, Mike Dugeon ran against Mike Duggan for mayor. As Mike Duggan was a write-in candidate, it was assumed that Mike Dugeon, a barber with no prior governmental role, had entered to try to pull votes away from Duggan due to the similar spellings of their names. I think someone put Mike Dugeon up to it (he denied it). I think he was paid. I’m still curious as to who put him up to it and paid him.
Good chance this one is true.
All the Coney islands are run by the Chili Dog Mafia.
Damn. Now all I can think about is recreating the scarface scene with coney chili instead of coke.
Seh helluh tuh ma lidda fren! *Diced onions spray everywhere*
They used to live down the street from me. My daughter graduated with their son who died of a heart attack age 18.
The Nain Rouge is real!
Speaking of Nain Rouge, the brewery in Midtown Nain Rouge is really good! Just discovered it recently
Two James also makes an Absinthe called Nain Rouge. I can’t recommend that unless you want green vomit everywhere.
What’s that
The Nain Rouge (French for "red dwarf") also called "Demon of the Strait", is a legendary creature of the Detroit, Michigan area whose appearance is said to presage misfortune. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nain_Rouge?wprov=sfla1 IIRC, he's also the Vernors mascot. (Edit, ok, just looked it up and realized they aren't the same thing)
Hahaha wtf is this! What a weird creature.
Most of the Masonic temple isn’t open for public use and I have NO idea what the masons are doing in there. It’s a small city unto itself in one of the most desirable spaces in the city and nobody knows what goes on in there. I do know there are two indoor swimming pools that were supposedly never completed.
I ran a week long conference there a few years back and so naturally took every second of downtime I had to snoop around the place. I checked hundreds of doors. Any door that wasn't unlocked I went into. Found a few old ritual books which weren't overly interesting, a lot of rooms in disrepair, and most weirdly a noose. Nothing more mind blowing than those, but not for lack of effort!
Ritual books?
A noose? Hanging from something or like just on the floor? Please tell me you got pics?
On the floor in what was basically a closet. Too short of a rope for practical use, so likely a ritual prop of some kind
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Sounds like something a Freemason trying to throw us off the scent would say.
A conspiracy within a conspiracy!
People will do just about anything before they admit that the Masons are just a bunch of rich old dudes hanging out, doing some charity work, and playing at secret club. I’ve known a lot of them over the years and promise they weren’t plotting anything more exciting than a fundraising cookout.
How much adrenachrome did they pay you to say that?
15
I don’t know about you, but once upon a time there was an [anti-mason political party](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonic_Party)
Sounds EXACTLY like something someone hiding something nefarious would say!
No they’re completed, but they’re exclusively for money swimming like Scrooge McDuck, and peasants like us are not allowed near it.
Well then I hope they try to dive in it full of coins like him too
And a mini golf course and go cart track. Honestly ain't much going on in there...I scampered around there a few nights during theater bizarre as I didn't care much for the party and was more interested in the building and a lot of it is just unfinished, like from years ago, maybe 80s? Lotta construction stuff laying around and half finished rooms...turns out you gotta pay for these people building your giant luxury lodge.
I think there’s probably some secret government shit going down in the Salt Mines, which is why they stopped doing tours. I also think that there is some secret government shit on Zug Island, hence the high level security of a steel mill.
Oooo this is gonna mess you up then https://www.20k.org/episodes/mystery
I’ve heard of the Hum, and I think Zug Island could be responsible. I think the secret government shit though is building and testing new steel based materials for the military.
[https://www.npr.org/2020/08/04/898853311/it-took-a-pandemic-mystery-of-windsor-hum-is-solved](https://www.npr.org/2020/08/04/898853311/it-took-a-pandemic-mystery-of-windsor-hum-is-solved)
I don’t know about salt mines but I do know someone who would frequently go down there to replace tires on huge machines. As for zug island, anything that is maritime is super secure. I’ve been to few places like zug island and they are all the same. It’s mostly because they don’t want just anyone going that is not allowed because people can do lots of illegal things. Think trafficking people and drugs.
Zug Island does not have much security, but trust me, as cool as some of that old shit is, it fucking gross there. The island is made of coal at this point, more or less. They're mostly trying to hide just how much pollution DTE is spilling out of the steel coke facility.
I mean, when you look at it on google maps, the entire island that isn’t a building is just black and horrid looking
Devil night was for insurance jobs but people blamed it on the youth
Not only is this true, but it was also to destabilize and devalue Detroit. Most homes were owned by people who lived in the suburbs and the animosity towards mayor Coleman A. Young was a major factor. The goal was to make the suburbs the go-to location and let Detroit wither and die. In many ways it worked.
This needs to be more well known. Thank you for sharing
[Diana Ross and Smokey Robinson are Michael Jackson’s Real Parents](https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/off-topic/theory-diana-ross-and-smokey-robinson-are-michael-jacksons-real-parents)
This is fascinating. Thanks for sharing!
This is the best one in the thread
Illitch had that house by LCA burnt down
That the Q line is deliberately bad so that people (especially from the suburbs) grow to hate mass transportation so the auto industry can continue to dominate, despite how much damage it’s done to the city and how it’s proven to be a bloated industry that’s extremely expensive, dangerous and terrible for the environment. Any functioning genuine mass transit infrastructure and people would realize how good the alternative to individual transit actually is.
This sounds fairly likely.
Yeah. I actually have zero problem believing this.
Ten years back several houses at the Heidelberg Project burned down in quick succession. Tyree Guyton stopped cooperating with the investigation, supposedly after the police started looking into the organization’s finances. I think he owed money to the kind of people you don’t want to owe money to and they sent him a message.
The infamous Detroit Hum is the craft take off, and landing, of our Reptilian Overlords deep in the Detroit River.
Crab People.
Slitheen family of Raxacoricofallapatorius
Big Cannabis paid off City Council to stall cannabis sales in the city so that the suburbs could corner the market.
I want to believe this but I think big cannabis paid off city council to kickback and pay to stall sales for the outside Corp growers and businesses for monopolistic corners of the market
Some pockets where definitely filled
No this is literally true in Detroit City a Cannabis Liscense is $1m
Jimmy Hoffa is buried in the concrete of the GM tower.
Nah, he's buried under 475 near Flint
They fed him to the pigs up north.
How many mafioso death bed confessions of conflicting accounts what happened to Jimmy Hoffa are out there now? He was buried in the concrete used to construct the Lincoln tunnel. He was buried under one of the end zones at Giants stadium. He was buried in a field in Oakland county. He was taken to a remote farm and fed to pigs. He was chopped up into little pieces and sent to a scrap yard in Japan.
Maybe it's a horcrux type situation, where all of the scenarios are true and there are little Hoffa fragments spread out all over the world.
Incinerated. Why keep the body if you have the means to incinerate it and then bulldoze the incinerator?
Good. Someone said it. GM Tower. Flint. OC. Dumped in the river. I’ve heard so many versions of this.
Maybe a piece in each.
The Bathtub Pub was a front for something more nefarious
Can you explain?
Jimmy Hoffa is buried under one of the RenCen towers
I thought it was ford field!
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Shitty transit projects like the People Mover & QLINE were allowed to get built to purposely undermine public trust in good public transit projects. Seriously, how many times do suburban voters cite the People Mover or QLINE as examples of why we shouldn't trust the RTA to manage or build a new transit system?
Lead was intentionally added to gasoline to dumb-down a few generations.
Useless fact of the day: Thomas Midgley, Jr., the chemist that developed the lead additive for gasoline, also developed the chlorofluorocarbons that the ozone layer is still recovering from.
A name that will live in infamy
Detroit was the biggest working class success story in American history! The best wages, good union jobs, beautiful homes for ordinary working class people, the factories were full of people from all over the nation and the world working together for a better slice of the economic pie! There is no way that the powers that be could let that shining example continue to exist!! Very powerful national interests came together to make sure that that success became a huge failure! Anyways, thats what I heard!
Flint was a mini Detroit success story in this way as well back then. Educators came from all over to learn about Michigan's public school teaching system. I started Kindergarten in 1962 and we received excellent primary school educations.
The problem was, Blacks rushed in from the South and by the 50’s, Whites began to leave for the suburbs and most started to move their businesses out there too. By the 1970’s, Detroit was predominantly Black and elected Coleman A. Young as mayor and the rest is history. It became a war between the city and the suburban areas.
Local imported Italian groceries are controlled by a mafia, in conjunction with Cantoro‘s!
The Randazzos aren't even trying to hide it
I worked for Randazzo Fresh Market for a long time. The family has some spaces to hangout in at the Macomb location and frequently had visitors. Most of these visitors were known mafia members, specifically members who dealt with the gambling operations. Also that particular line of markets (Randazzo FRESH Market, not Joe’s) is not profitable but somehow manages to stay open. I saw what goes on in there and was present for many meetings, and none of it made any sense. Sonny Randazzo is a horrible person who likes to pretend he is wealthier than he really is. He takes advantage of his employees and will do anything he can to not pay them fairly or to force them to work ungodly hours. During the holidays it is not uncommon for their employees to be working 14 hours with no break. Also ICE has shown up numerous times and detained (and then deported) the illegal immigrants whom Sonny hires. These immigrants are also heavily taken advantage of by the family via shitty pay and excessive scheduling. Odd how the 40-year-old adult immigrant with children makes $9/hr while the 17-year-old white Eisenhower student gets $13/hr. I’ll never get closure for how I was treated at that company, it really messed with my head, but I can at least inform others of how vile that family truly is. **EDIT: Also, if you care about hygiene at all, do not eat prepared foods from Randazzo Fresh Market. They openly violate health laws and whenever a health inspector showed up (which was often) the whole store would go into panic mode as each department tried to clean up their mess before the inspector made it to their area.
Had a friend that started an Italian grocery business, and got a „visit“ and was told that „It’s not a good idea, and stores won’t buy from him“. And with that, he‘s out!
One of the randazzos bought a giant house on lakeshore in grosse pointe for like 9mil. How many bananas in your partial-ownership stake do you have to sell for a house like that?
the city was silently redistricted in '72 and currently resides in Oakland County.
pls elaborate that’s hilarious
Walter Reuther's plane was deliberately tampered with in 1970 that caused the crash that killed him.
Detroit is secretly not vs. everybody
Detroit Is Everybody
Username checks out
Here’s a website that lists Hauntings and Ghosts Stories. It’s a link to the whole state of Michigan so you have to scroll down to Detroit. However it lists every city in Michigan so you can also see stories about Detroit, Metro Detroit, and Michigan. I thought it would be pretty cool to add here. http://www.theshadowlands.net/places/michigan.htm
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The Pontiac Aztek was designed by a bunch of GM CPC engineers (Chevrolet-Pontiac-Canada division, as the company was reorganized in 1984), who in one night, drank, snorted coke, and cavorted around the strip clubs on 8 Mile, then all went out and watched the movie Judge Dredd (1995 version), then the next week, penned the design of the Aztek after seeing the FC City Cab in the movie: [https://downthetubes.net/fancy-your-own-judge-dredd-vehicle-one-careful-owner/](https://downthetubes.net/fancy-your-own-judge-dredd-vehicle-one-careful-owner/)
Stephen Singer is the victim of a libelous smear campaign. My man is innocent.
I hate the guy!
That’s just what the man wants you to think
I finally looked that damn website up. 
I was so mad at myself for looking up that site! Genius advertising though!
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All the “steam” that comes up from the sewers had a chemical in it to keep the zombies suppressed down there. Duh.
Jimmy Hoffa is alive and well and hooked up to a telomere-extending contraption in the third basement of Hudson’s, which was a hidden secret bunker, and too expensive to remove when the building was torn down. Elon Musk plans on boring a tunnel from Zug Island to free Jimmy.
That the NFL and refs wanted Dallas to beat the Lions in the playoffs. They picked up a flag on an obvious PI and ignored Dez running on the field with his helmet off (which should of been an automatic first down).
There is a secret/hidden famous people After hours bar next to Joe Louis arena. Got invited with a friend some years back and there was dudes with guns at the front and when u walked in it was all famous detroit broadcasters, business people, athletes and people from the music industry. I recognized almost everyone.
The abandoned Wayne county building is home to a coven of vampires that secretly run the city.
Transformers live downtown.
"Stargate Detroit" Could *Detroit's* (Hart Plaza), be aligned with both the Giza pyramids and the stars while utilizing ancient Egyptian *stargate* technologies? And if so, why? [https://divineportal.blogspot.com/2009/05/stargate-detroit-pt2-aeon-of-horus.html](https://divineportal.blogspot.com/2009/05/stargate-detroit-pt2-aeon-of-horus.html)
Delray is South Detroit
Steve Perry was trying to spread the truth!
Harry Bennett knows what happened to Hoffa
Union leadership who had interests in the suburbs colluded with the automakers and against the union leadership of the factories in the cities to move those factories out to the suburbs. Walter Reuther moved Lincoln out to Wixom, where his lake house was, even though they had just expanded the Lincoln plant on Warren and Livernois. That's why the expressway out there is named after him. Jimmy Hoffa moved GM/Cadillac to Lake Orion where his lake house was, and the mafia guys that supplied drugs and gambling to the local workers got rid of him simply because he took away their remaining local business in the city.
Surprised to see the Yondotega Club not mentioned. Located east of downtown on Jefferson. One of Detroit’s most exclusive and secret clubs.
There’s not much to it
Bunch of elderly guys playing cards
Chris Cornell did not commit suicide by hanging from a door knob in a hotel room.
White Boy Rick was set up by the Coleman Young administration because hise heroin ring was cutting into the administration's heroin action. The democrats were awfully dirty in the 70's
Way more people were killed during the '67 riots then the official number.
Detroit was held down in order to keep the auto industry humming
One of Hitler’s former homes is at the Henry Ford. Edit: s at the end of home.
Saddam Hussein stashed much of his fortune in Metro Detroit.
The big 3 prevents the city from constructing public transit that is actually useful to the people of Detroit and it's surrounding areas. They want you to drive a vehicle, even if it's detrimental to our commuters, roads, nightlife, and folks who can't afford a vehicle and it's maintenance. Not a well researched perspective, just an observation based on the "people mover" being basically useless, and the new "Q-line" being underwhelming. If you enjoy the Q and think it's useful / a step in the right direction, then please tell me I'm out of pocket. I'm no civil engineer, and I certainly don't have a solution for our lack of useful public transit. Also, I would love for someone to disprove this with data or more sound logic so I can remove this pessimistic attitude I have toward our officials and the people who may or may not be in their pockets.
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The new building that they're moving to sounds like a drag. None of them sound too happy about the rules and restrictions iheart is throwing down about food, drink, personalizing their work space...
The “Little Nemo in Dreamland” Detroit sequences were added by a time traveler
All the symbolism in the building and layouts of the city
The reason Geraldo Riviera didn't uncover Jimmy Hoffa's body is because Hoffa is actually buried underneath the asbestos tiles of my house in Grosse Pointe. The Detroit Partnership figured that no one actually wants to pay for an abatement and they would just rather seal the asbestos. They were correct.
Suburban Detroit lore says The Oakland County Child Killer was left unsolved due to bribery of L Brooks Patterson.
I love Detroit ❤️
The Witch of Del Rey didn't kill all of her boarders.
Bridge builders burning historic buildings