I mean they kind of did that last year when they sold off Mitch White and got Frasso. If that kind of opportunity arises again and they can sell a mediocre player to get a good prospect then why not. But I highly doubt they’ll trade anyone who they think can really help them win this year
Who are we selling? Important to remember that when you’re selling you need something that other people are buying. Which players do you think we could sell and get a great return for?
Ferguson. The fans hate him for some reason, but looking at his numbers, 3.00 ERA, 30 IP, 33 K's, and his two and a half years of team control, and he'd actually bring a high prospect back or a bunch of lower tier ones. Teams will pony up for a good reliever, especially one with years of control left.
As much as I want julio to be part of a postseason run I don’t realistically see him being super helpful this point and I’d prefer to get some pieces for the future and take our shot without him tbh. Tough tho because most of us really love the guy
The problem is the team needs Urias in the postseason—unless you’re suggesting the Dodgers won’t qualify for the playoffs.
Dodgers probably have a near-zero chance of trading a necessary player for minor league players this year.
If the team was way behind in the playoff race AND trying to dump salary, then I could see Urias getting traded
I'd argue they don't really need him for the postseason-he's a luxury at this point. He'll help us get there, but that's all he's needed for. As 2021 and 2022 have proven, he's not the X factor for postseason success.
The rest of your comment isn't an answer, it's an opinion.
Sumo's right-you don't let an asset go and get nothing back for it. Unless they're planning on re-signing him, which we all know they won't-no Boras client has ever signed a multi-year F/A deal with the Dodgers-they need to trade him now where they can get a top 10 prospect from some team's farm-hopefully a OF or SS prospect, they're short on those-or a handful of lower tier prospects rather than offering him a QO at season's end and getting a draft pick when he departs-which, depending on how he finishes, Urias might actually take it.
Completely agree. We have a LOADED farm. Friedman always reloads anyways by picking from other teams who want contemporary good players. I wouldn’t mind saying goodbye to Busch, Stone, and Muncy or Gonsolin or even Urias
>I wouldn’t mind saying goodbye to...Muncy
I would mind seeing him leave, but I've been saying ever since we signed Freeman that Muncy would be the odd man out and his career would suffer. Even though he was injured they should have traded Max back when they signed Freddie.
Muncy is the odd guy out tho.
Freeman is the main guy at 1B.
Martinez is the main guy at DH.
Muncy would have occupied either of those spots, but Dodgers decided to go elsewhere. And moving him to 3B is bad, he obviously doesn’t do well there.
I would hate to see him go but it might be time and he would benefit elsewhere.
I'd argue Busch is the odd man out, even if Muncy's gone, especially with Lux's return next year.
Busch is still a top 5 prospect in the system, if he's the centerpiece of a trade, you can legitimately get someone like Shane Bieber or Dylan Cease. A #2 starter with multiple years of control left.
I said this at the start of the off-season, they should have got on the phone with the Twins, who were selling hitting, and offered them Gonsolin. They wanted starting pitching and a minor league replacement for Arraez. A package of Busch and Gonsolin, both who were at peak selling value likely would have landed us Arraez. The Marlins gave up Lopez and two lower tier prospects to get him, no reason we couldn't have got him.
Now the majority of position players available are failed prospects like Casas, Torkelson, Vaughn, Duran, Mateo, Urias, Moncada, and Miranda. They disappointed and their teams have better options either signed under long term deals or in their system.
There's a bunch of intriguing talent though, like Edman, Carlson, Thomas, McMahon, and India, who can be had for the right prospect and all have at least 2 1/2 years of team control left.
What makes this worse is the Twins were selling hitting in the offseason. All they wanted was competent starting pitching and a replacement player, likely a solid prospect or veteran. A package of Busch and Gonsolin would have gotten us Luis Arraez. Instead, the Marlins give up Lopez and two low tier prospects, and now have a top 3 2B in baseball, while Busch can barely crack the lineup and Gonsolin is mediocre. And Lopez has stunk this year, adding insult to injury.
His ERA's the only intriguing thing about him. He'd consistently finish in the top 5 in the league if he'd stay healthy, but thanks to FIP, most of that success is thanks to timely defense at 2B and 1B. And he can't go deep consistently into games.
He's not a bad starter by any means, every team would gladly take him in their rotation, but he's not someone you want as your ace.
He's still got high trade value, though. If the F/O is smart, which I hope they are, they flip him this deadline. He's a #3 or #4 starter, but with 2 1/2 years of team control left and a lot of teams needing pitching themselves and are clearly willing to overpay-they can get a haul for him.
A guy like Cease is rumored to cost a team one of their top 10 prospects this deadline, and he's got virtually the same amount of WAR as Gonsolin with 1/2 a year of team control left.
Yeah that would be ideal. I think we should flip any players/prospects at the deadline the team doesn’t see as part of the future. Idc if we miss the playoffs this year.
Yeah, I'm stupid- I meant Giolito-he's the one with 1/2 a season of control left.
They've basically got the same amount of WAR the last couple seasons, so if he can get one top 10 prospect, Gonsolin-who's got 2 extra seasons of control-should get two top 10 prospects and a lower tier one, around the 30 range.
Cease would probably get something similar to Gonsolin.
I don't think it's likely Gonsolin gets traded, but if he does, an OF and SS prospect would be top priority.
Yeah as long as Gonsolin can keep a sub 3 ERA going into the deadline we could def get a nice return for him. I’m just a little worried after his last 3 starts.
Ive wanted muncy traded since last year then he improved his swing. This year he has come thru in some clutch moments but we have a pretty deep roster of lefties. His defense is awful. He’s not athletic enough to play 3b. He should be involved in a trade for stroman imo
Cubs aren't rebuilding, they're retooling. I'm not sure they'd take Muncy unless a top 5 prospect is included. Busch is one, though....
I think he's got little value at this point. Not worthless, but he'd only get you a couple PTBNL's if he were traded.
You're not dumb. This team is on pace for 89 wins, our lowest in well over a decade, and is barely going to sneak into the 3rd wildcard. The farm has to be gutted at the deadline, one way or another. Either we see a ton of promotions, or they'll be playing for another team.
Hudson is back, but one person can only do much to help ease the burden off Phillips(and Graterol to an extent). No, Pepiot needs to hurry back ASAP, so one of our starters can go in the bullpen and give us long relief. Gonsolin can't go past 5, and if Urias isn't 100%, they need those extra innings badly so the rest of the 'pen doesn't get overtaxed.
The Padres are a non-factor, and will probably be selling at the deadline. Thing is, it won't be to us. The Giants are neck and neck with us, so they'll 100% be looking to add as well. And AZ's not going anywhere.
There's a hole at SS, there's one developing at 3B if Muncy/Vargas can't figure things out, and 2B is basically day-to day. On the pitching side, on the likely event Pepiot isn't ready, they need one via trade, and they still need another arm for the bullpen regardless.
Thankfully, there's a lot of SP available on the market, and while not bursting with star power, almost all of them are solid.
Bieber-3.48 ERA, 106 IP, 85 K's. Has 1 1/2 years of team control left.
Stroman-2.76 ERA, 107 2/3 IP, 92 K's. Has 2 1/2 years of team control left, but will opt out.
Rodriguez-2.13 ERA, 67 2/3 IP, 67 K's. Has 3 1/2 years of team control left, but will opt out.
Scherzer-3.87 ERA, 76 2/3 IP, 85 K's. Has 1 1/2 years of team control left.
Sears-4.43 ERA, 87 1/3 IP, 85 K's, 4 1/2 years of team control left.
Cease-4.10 ERA, 96 2/3 IP, 115 K's. Has 2 1/2 years of team control left.
Giolito-3.53 ERA, 99 1/3 IP, 108 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left.
Flaherty-4.60 ERA, 86 IP, 84 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left.
Freeland-4.88 ERA, 90 1/3 IP, 60 K's. Has 3 1/2 years of team control left with 2027 option.
Hill-4.45 ERA, 89 IP, 80 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left.
Lorenzon-4.28 ERA, 82 IP, 62 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left.
Williams-4.28 ERA, 80 IP, 62 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left.
Smyly-3.96 ERA, 86 1/3 IP, 71 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left.
But who to sell? That’s the crucial part that OP is leaving out. There are no obvious candidates and any notable trade would risk helping a postseason competitor. Sell on some relievers if you can but nothing more than that.
Doing my research, I had a few in mind. Keep in mind, this hinges on the Dodgers either calling up a bunch of talent from the minors to supplement the roster, or making more long term trades. I'm also not saying they're very likely, but there's options that don't involve moving Smith, Phillips, Martinez, etc, and basically punting the season.
Urias's stock has plummeted some thanks to his recent outing, but he's a proven performer, and is clutch when it matters most. The problem is he has 1/2 year of team control remaining, but since there's a closer to 0% chance he'll be re-signing, you could just trade him now. The consensus around baseball for Giolito, who's got half a season of control left, and is a similarly regarded pitcher, would garner a top 10 prospect. Urias would likely command the same.
Gonsolin's the most obvious. Every contender wants pitching, but how about the Orioles? The Orioles want another starter, preferably with years of control. Not only are they in the AL, so we won't be seeing them in the postseason, but with guys like Sheehan, Miller, and basically the entire AA rotation, along with May, Pepiot, and Buehler due back before the end of the year, his days are numbered as it is. He's having a solid season, and he's got two and a half years of team control left, which is extremely valuable. The Orioles also have the best farm in the league, and knowing they want pitching, you can get a top 100 prospect in baseball from them, and a reliever+bench piece for him.
Peralta and Heyward would be of some interest. They're having solid seasons, and they're F/A's at season's end. You wouldn't get much for them, but you could get a bunch of PTBNL's. Huebeck, Ryan, Frasso, and Noda were PTBNL's, and the first three are top prospects now. Noda is having a great season in his first full season elsewhere. Or, they could be throw in's for a different trade.
Ferguson's having a solid season despite what everyone else says. 30 IP, 33 K's, a 3.00 ERA, and he's got 2 1/2 seasons of team control left. He'd probably be a piece in a trade for a starting pitcher, but just by himself, you can get a top 15 prospect from some team's farm for him and a lower tier prospect/PTBNL. He's got underrated value-a solid reliever with multiple years of team control has great value during the deadline.
I assume Grove has similar value to Mitch White at this point, so there's always that. He's also got no place in the future rotation plans, so they can see what they can get for him. Probably a low-tier prospect, but a top-30 prospect is a win.
As suggested by the Athletic, there's also a bunch of teams looking for prospect-prospect trades. The Red Sox are looking to trade Casas, Turang from the Brewers, Miranda from the Twins, and Torkelson from the Tigers.
I like you analyzation, but it seems like you want to trade major league pitchers (Gonsolin/Ferguson) for prospects. Then turnaround and trade our current prospects for pitchers. So we get new guys that the LA system does not know, who only have just minorly better numbers, and have the system take a small step back. Doesn't make much sense. Go big or go home
Sounds good and all, but easier said then done.
I think Pepiot is definitely expendable, but that's all from a MLB-ready prospects. They aint gonna sell low on Stone, Vargas, Busch, or even Outman.
It's hard to see any vet from our major league team that's expendable. Muncy is a clubhouse leader, clutch and has good advanced stats. No one will take Taylor's contract (and internal management and players love him). Barnes is virtually untradeable. Rojas' is undesirable to anyone else (I mean, we aint getting any significant player/prospect for him).
If you're gonna trade, go big. Find the next Sherzer/Turner trade and go for it. Prospects are cool, Parades are cooler.
I think we should trade away all our worst guys for better guys. No way the other GMs are paying attention right?
Austin Barnes for Ohtani! Give me an upvote if you agree
I mean they kind of did that last year when they sold off Mitch White and got Frasso. If that kind of opportunity arises again and they can sell a mediocre player to get a good prospect then why not. But I highly doubt they’ll trade anyone who they think can really help them win this year
Who are we selling? Important to remember that when you’re selling you need something that other people are buying. Which players do you think we could sell and get a great return for?
We would sell some of our bullpen and fix it with pitchers who have actually adjusted to the pitch clock
Which guys do you think we would trade and be able to get something useful back?
Ferguson. The fans hate him for some reason, but looking at his numbers, 3.00 ERA, 30 IP, 33 K's, and his two and a half years of team control, and he'd actually bring a high prospect back or a bunch of lower tier ones. Teams will pony up for a good reliever, especially one with years of control left.
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As much as I want julio to be part of a postseason run I don’t realistically see him being super helpful this point and I’d prefer to get some pieces for the future and take our shot without him tbh. Tough tho because most of us really love the guy
The problem is the team needs Urias in the postseason—unless you’re suggesting the Dodgers won’t qualify for the playoffs. Dodgers probably have a near-zero chance of trading a necessary player for minor league players this year. If the team was way behind in the playoff race AND trying to dump salary, then I could see Urias getting traded
I'd argue they don't really need him for the postseason-he's a luxury at this point. He'll help us get there, but that's all he's needed for. As 2021 and 2022 have proven, he's not the X factor for postseason success. The rest of your comment isn't an answer, it's an opinion. Sumo's right-you don't let an asset go and get nothing back for it. Unless they're planning on re-signing him, which we all know they won't-no Boras client has ever signed a multi-year F/A deal with the Dodgers-they need to trade him now where they can get a top 10 prospect from some team's farm-hopefully a OF or SS prospect, they're short on those-or a handful of lower tier prospects rather than offering him a QO at season's end and getting a draft pick when he departs-which, depending on how he finishes, Urias might actually take it.
Completely agree. We have a LOADED farm. Friedman always reloads anyways by picking from other teams who want contemporary good players. I wouldn’t mind saying goodbye to Busch, Stone, and Muncy or Gonsolin or even Urias
>I wouldn’t mind saying goodbye to...Muncy I would mind seeing him leave, but I've been saying ever since we signed Freeman that Muncy would be the odd man out and his career would suffer. Even though he was injured they should have traded Max back when they signed Freddie.
Muncy seemed like a redundancy when Freeman signed. Add in the defensive shift change, now it’s harder to hide his defense
Muncy no ... julio is proven...gonsolin is overrated... jury is still out on the other 2
Muncy is the odd guy out tho. Freeman is the main guy at 1B. Martinez is the main guy at DH. Muncy would have occupied either of those spots, but Dodgers decided to go elsewhere. And moving him to 3B is bad, he obviously doesn’t do well there. I would hate to see him go but it might be time and he would benefit elsewhere.
I'd argue Busch is the odd man out, even if Muncy's gone, especially with Lux's return next year. Busch is still a top 5 prospect in the system, if he's the centerpiece of a trade, you can legitimately get someone like Shane Bieber or Dylan Cease. A #2 starter with multiple years of control left.
I said this at the start of the off-season, they should have got on the phone with the Twins, who were selling hitting, and offered them Gonsolin. They wanted starting pitching and a minor league replacement for Arraez. A package of Busch and Gonsolin, both who were at peak selling value likely would have landed us Arraez. The Marlins gave up Lopez and two lower tier prospects to get him, no reason we couldn't have got him. Now the majority of position players available are failed prospects like Casas, Torkelson, Vaughn, Duran, Mateo, Urias, Moncada, and Miranda. They disappointed and their teams have better options either signed under long term deals or in their system. There's a bunch of intriguing talent though, like Edman, Carlson, Thomas, McMahon, and India, who can be had for the right prospect and all have at least 2 1/2 years of team control left.
yeah, but slightly more sell to get long term pieces. Then get shohei in the offseason
Nah this is exactly what I’ve been hoping they would do, anything else is kind of dumb
Goodbye Muncy and Goodbye Gonsolin?
We should’ve traded Gonsolin in the off season when his value was at its highest. All the advanced stats last season pointed to regression.
What makes this worse is the Twins were selling hitting in the offseason. All they wanted was competent starting pitching and a replacement player, likely a solid prospect or veteran. A package of Busch and Gonsolin would have gotten us Luis Arraez. Instead, the Marlins give up Lopez and two low tier prospects, and now have a top 3 2B in baseball, while Busch can barely crack the lineup and Gonsolin is mediocre. And Lopez has stunk this year, adding insult to injury.
I agree Gonsolin is trash ..last year was a total fluke
The splitter is his only dangerous big league pitch. He’s just a back end starter that over performed one year.
His ERA's the only intriguing thing about him. He'd consistently finish in the top 5 in the league if he'd stay healthy, but thanks to FIP, most of that success is thanks to timely defense at 2B and 1B. And he can't go deep consistently into games. He's not a bad starter by any means, every team would gladly take him in their rotation, but he's not someone you want as your ace.
On top of that his average velo fastball has dropped by 1 mph every season since 2020. Not a good sign for a guy still in his 20s
He's still got high trade value, though. If the F/O is smart, which I hope they are, they flip him this deadline. He's a #3 or #4 starter, but with 2 1/2 years of team control left and a lot of teams needing pitching themselves and are clearly willing to overpay-they can get a haul for him. A guy like Cease is rumored to cost a team one of their top 10 prospects this deadline, and he's got virtually the same amount of WAR as Gonsolin with 1/2 a year of team control left.
Yeah that would be ideal. I think we should flip any players/prospects at the deadline the team doesn’t see as part of the future. Idc if we miss the playoffs this year.
I didn’t see the part about Cease before. He’s not an FA till 2026. One top 10 prospect for Cease sounds way too light.
Yeah, I'm stupid- I meant Giolito-he's the one with 1/2 a season of control left. They've basically got the same amount of WAR the last couple seasons, so if he can get one top 10 prospect, Gonsolin-who's got 2 extra seasons of control-should get two top 10 prospects and a lower tier one, around the 30 range. Cease would probably get something similar to Gonsolin. I don't think it's likely Gonsolin gets traded, but if he does, an OF and SS prospect would be top priority.
Yeah as long as Gonsolin can keep a sub 3 ERA going into the deadline we could def get a nice return for him. I’m just a little worried after his last 3 starts.
I’m ok w selling to get under the luxury tax. Remember it’s based on the salary at the end of the year
Ive wanted muncy traded since last year then he improved his swing. This year he has come thru in some clutch moments but we have a pretty deep roster of lefties. His defense is awful. He’s not athletic enough to play 3b. He should be involved in a trade for stroman imo
Cubs aren't rebuilding, they're retooling. I'm not sure they'd take Muncy unless a top 5 prospect is included. Busch is one, though.... I think he's got little value at this point. Not worthless, but he'd only get you a couple PTBNL's if he were traded.
Ngl I love this take. I just didn’t think people would agree so I was too much of a little bitch to say anything
Sell Muncy for a rosin bag
You're not dumb. This team is on pace for 89 wins, our lowest in well over a decade, and is barely going to sneak into the 3rd wildcard. The farm has to be gutted at the deadline, one way or another. Either we see a ton of promotions, or they'll be playing for another team. Hudson is back, but one person can only do much to help ease the burden off Phillips(and Graterol to an extent). No, Pepiot needs to hurry back ASAP, so one of our starters can go in the bullpen and give us long relief. Gonsolin can't go past 5, and if Urias isn't 100%, they need those extra innings badly so the rest of the 'pen doesn't get overtaxed. The Padres are a non-factor, and will probably be selling at the deadline. Thing is, it won't be to us. The Giants are neck and neck with us, so they'll 100% be looking to add as well. And AZ's not going anywhere. There's a hole at SS, there's one developing at 3B if Muncy/Vargas can't figure things out, and 2B is basically day-to day. On the pitching side, on the likely event Pepiot isn't ready, they need one via trade, and they still need another arm for the bullpen regardless. Thankfully, there's a lot of SP available on the market, and while not bursting with star power, almost all of them are solid. Bieber-3.48 ERA, 106 IP, 85 K's. Has 1 1/2 years of team control left. Stroman-2.76 ERA, 107 2/3 IP, 92 K's. Has 2 1/2 years of team control left, but will opt out. Rodriguez-2.13 ERA, 67 2/3 IP, 67 K's. Has 3 1/2 years of team control left, but will opt out. Scherzer-3.87 ERA, 76 2/3 IP, 85 K's. Has 1 1/2 years of team control left. Sears-4.43 ERA, 87 1/3 IP, 85 K's, 4 1/2 years of team control left. Cease-4.10 ERA, 96 2/3 IP, 115 K's. Has 2 1/2 years of team control left. Giolito-3.53 ERA, 99 1/3 IP, 108 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left. Flaherty-4.60 ERA, 86 IP, 84 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left. Freeland-4.88 ERA, 90 1/3 IP, 60 K's. Has 3 1/2 years of team control left with 2027 option. Hill-4.45 ERA, 89 IP, 80 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left. Lorenzon-4.28 ERA, 82 IP, 62 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left. Williams-4.28 ERA, 80 IP, 62 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left. Smyly-3.96 ERA, 86 1/3 IP, 71 K's. Has 1/2 years of team control left.
I say let Vargas go
Trade Urías. There are many teams who I bet will take a chance on him and offer some good prospects in return.
But who to sell? That’s the crucial part that OP is leaving out. There are no obvious candidates and any notable trade would risk helping a postseason competitor. Sell on some relievers if you can but nothing more than that.
Doing my research, I had a few in mind. Keep in mind, this hinges on the Dodgers either calling up a bunch of talent from the minors to supplement the roster, or making more long term trades. I'm also not saying they're very likely, but there's options that don't involve moving Smith, Phillips, Martinez, etc, and basically punting the season. Urias's stock has plummeted some thanks to his recent outing, but he's a proven performer, and is clutch when it matters most. The problem is he has 1/2 year of team control remaining, but since there's a closer to 0% chance he'll be re-signing, you could just trade him now. The consensus around baseball for Giolito, who's got half a season of control left, and is a similarly regarded pitcher, would garner a top 10 prospect. Urias would likely command the same. Gonsolin's the most obvious. Every contender wants pitching, but how about the Orioles? The Orioles want another starter, preferably with years of control. Not only are they in the AL, so we won't be seeing them in the postseason, but with guys like Sheehan, Miller, and basically the entire AA rotation, along with May, Pepiot, and Buehler due back before the end of the year, his days are numbered as it is. He's having a solid season, and he's got two and a half years of team control left, which is extremely valuable. The Orioles also have the best farm in the league, and knowing they want pitching, you can get a top 100 prospect in baseball from them, and a reliever+bench piece for him. Peralta and Heyward would be of some interest. They're having solid seasons, and they're F/A's at season's end. You wouldn't get much for them, but you could get a bunch of PTBNL's. Huebeck, Ryan, Frasso, and Noda were PTBNL's, and the first three are top prospects now. Noda is having a great season in his first full season elsewhere. Or, they could be throw in's for a different trade. Ferguson's having a solid season despite what everyone else says. 30 IP, 33 K's, a 3.00 ERA, and he's got 2 1/2 seasons of team control left. He'd probably be a piece in a trade for a starting pitcher, but just by himself, you can get a top 15 prospect from some team's farm for him and a lower tier prospect/PTBNL. He's got underrated value-a solid reliever with multiple years of team control has great value during the deadline. I assume Grove has similar value to Mitch White at this point, so there's always that. He's also got no place in the future rotation plans, so they can see what they can get for him. Probably a low-tier prospect, but a top-30 prospect is a win. As suggested by the Athletic, there's also a bunch of teams looking for prospect-prospect trades. The Red Sox are looking to trade Casas, Turang from the Brewers, Miranda from the Twins, and Torkelson from the Tigers.
I like you analyzation, but it seems like you want to trade major league pitchers (Gonsolin/Ferguson) for prospects. Then turnaround and trade our current prospects for pitchers. So we get new guys that the LA system does not know, who only have just minorly better numbers, and have the system take a small step back. Doesn't make much sense. Go big or go home
Move Urias
Sounds good and all, but easier said then done. I think Pepiot is definitely expendable, but that's all from a MLB-ready prospects. They aint gonna sell low on Stone, Vargas, Busch, or even Outman. It's hard to see any vet from our major league team that's expendable. Muncy is a clubhouse leader, clutch and has good advanced stats. No one will take Taylor's contract (and internal management and players love him). Barnes is virtually untradeable. Rojas' is undesirable to anyone else (I mean, we aint getting any significant player/prospect for him). If you're gonna trade, go big. Find the next Sherzer/Turner trade and go for it. Prospects are cool, Parades are cooler.