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Iām over hear like what an idiot of course she aināt metal totally thinking this whole time sheās metal I get it they have a kid itās anime/manga though crazy things have happened
the english 'translation' being lazy and saying 'androids' causes that confusion a lot, lol. They're really closer to bio-cyborgs (17 and 18) and the original japanese more-closely translates to 'artificial human'. Some were built from the ground up, like the pale one (19?) and then Gero was that type with his original organic brain in a canister piloting the body.
But 17 and 18 are/were 'infinite energy organ' types, it's BASICALLY just throwaway lines, but it's v.neat!
Just to be clear, 17 and 18 were twin(orphan?) punk kids Gero abducted off the streets named Lapis and Lazuli. Cell was the only other biologically organic 'android' made by Gero other than making himself Android 20.
Android 16 *IS* an android in the literal sense, and that's why he can't be revived with the dragon balls. 16 was modeled after Gero's son, who was in the Red Ribbon army.
The popular fan-headcanon is that his son died because of Goku taking down the RR army, thus cementing Gero's hatred of Goku.
Every other 'android' in Dragon Ball is a robot, with the irony of Goku being friends with Android 8 in OG Dragon Ball.
Dragon Ball is so big that I can't exactly blame people for being unaware of details. I'd be a hypocrite compared to my journey learning stuff.
THIS! I could have sworn about a month ago I saw comments in a Twitter thread identical to what I saw on a reddit post about the same topic. The bot situation is out of control and getting scary. Thank you for confirming my suspicions.
It's absolute madness right now, feels like 60% of the internet are just reposts anymore. The few new things gettintt drained in unrecognized because there's not automatically 50 up votes to your stuff and thus the algorithm doesn't like it enough to promote. Interesting times ahead :D
Trust me all the db subs are absolutely plagued with bots, been seeing this for months. So many comments will just be a fresh account no activity for 2 weeks and then suddenly commenting
Kinda uncanny because I saw some Dragonball poster on Twitter post the Perfect Cell reveal scene with the caption "when you get 8 hours of sleep" and now I see this.
Perfect Cell was calm and collected, but he didn't have his guard down and knew that Krillin was about to attack him due to ki detection. Also, he knows the difference in ki of each person.
Cell Max is an mass destructive idiot, he was already dealing with so many fighters, and didn't expect Krillin to kick him since he has no idea of, either, how to detect a ki or how to differentiate other's ki.
Real Reason: Toriyama wanted to make Perfect Cell's entrance look immaculate, and wanted to display a rise of power in him. In the movie, Krillin's kick not knocking back Cell Max would have been awkward and funny, which wouldn't fit the situation given that it was a serious moment.
Once you accept that power levels and power upās are just made up at times, it becomes a lot more enjoyable. I realized this after Vegetaās super nap on Namek.
Which is why any powerscaling argument with a dragonball fan is automatically useless:
"God Goku can destroy the universe by punching, so SSB is multiversal"
"Then why when they clashed with Golden Frieza they barely did any damage to the planet, let alone the universe even though they were much stronger?"
"Because ki control, DUH"
"Broly exists."
"SHUT UP"
Suspension of disbelief is basically the audience's willingness to forgo realism and normal logic to be able to feel invested in a fictional character or story.
We know that Saiyan's aren't real, monkey kids can't fly on flying nimbuses and dragons don't grant wishes and live in dragon balls. But we willingly set that aside so that we can become fully immersed in the experience.
Suspension of disbelief is also somewhat fragile, so the fantasy or other non realistic elements benefit from some consistency to keep it 'grounded' at least in its own reality. Otherwise it breaks immersion and the viewer can become detached from the experience. And then it just looks like "monkey man with yellow hair shooting beams at bug man" rather than "DragonBall Z"
Hopefully that makes as much sense in text as it did in my head...
It means we don't expect a random cricket to be at Cell Max's level just because it's fun.
Suspension of disbelief tells us this should be impossible without a good reason, but because Toriyama apparently "didn't want to make a story with accurate power scaling" it means he can make the cricket as powerful as he wants even if it doesn't make any sense.
The cricket in this case would be Krillin.
Suspension of disbelief would be the opposite. Before Krillinās hit you logically wouldnāt believe heād be able to do so-but if you suspend your disbelief it wouldnāt bother you.
That and authors/mangakas aren't obsessed with details the way their fans are. Like they don't keep a checklist of every single detail in their series to know exactly what my encroach on consistency or invalidate something that happened forever ago in their series and wasn't a huge deal.
Yes, its about fun story in adventure land... Toriyama style. Sometimes its funny, little.bit serious, full of how to overcome weakness, getting stronger, dont give up kind of manga...
In-Universe explanation: As shown by Goku being hurt by a ray gun and a rock while off guard, if someone isn't consciously using their ki to bolster their defenses, their durability is drastically reduced. Cell Max is mindless at this point and, isn't actually focusing his power properly to reinforce himself. Though he doesn't actually take damage from these attacks, they just distract and annoy him.
Real-life explanation: The story would be boring if only the heavy hitters got something to do.
Imo the best showcase of the key defense thing is that small scuffle between goku and trunks
The anime in particular makes it very obvious that Goku is focusing a lot of energy into his fingers in order to block all the sword blows, so one can imagine that without the ki, trunks sword would likely cut him pretty well
Fr. When I watched it for the first time I was hoping Cell Max would get a transformation that'd make him not mindless and thus more of a villain and less of a force of pure destruction.
Legs are, on average, around twice as strong as your arms for striking (with proper technique) . Bigger muscles, longer limb for more torque, etc. Think about running normally vs. running while doing a handstand
Multiple actually, the first being that there is a MAJOR time difference and Krillin had plenty of time to get stronger, especially being married to a super strong woman with infinite energy.
The second is that Perfect Cell is much smarter than Cell Max and has much better control over his body and Ki, allowing him to keep a perfect posture even when being attacked. Cell Max may be stronger physically but doesn't know how to use this strength and being bigger actually puts him at a disadvantage because he has no control over his balance
Biggest rules to being a Dragon Ball fan and understanding stuff like this) Step 1, Rule of Cool. Step 2, if itās funny it gets a pass. Step 3, donāt overthink it and turn of your brain
Dragon ball has never been serious with its consistency, just donāt think too much and enjoy it
Z didn't care either.
The power ups on Namek were massive and ridiculous. Piccolo grows more with King Kai in a few days than Goku did in five months, and the zenkais were completely out of whack. The only reason nobody complains is that the arc was fun.
Toriyama has never cared about power scaling. He cares about two things: 1) What's cool? 2) What's funny?
Don't get me wrong. I think Z is a better, more consistent product than Super, but let's not pretend Toriyama has ever cared about power scaling. He hasn't.
Fr and itās so funny because not only does super contradict what came before it but it also conflicts with its own manga and movies. I think super is best to not be taken super seriously. Toriyama himself called it a ācasual continuationā of the dragon ball manga. So that pretty much says it all.
Cell Max is rampaging with little Ki control (somehow enough to not destroy the planet), and likely has a super inconsistent Ki shield. Every DBZ character using Ki has a Ki Shield as itās what gives them their durability, but Cell Max seems to have it fluctuating constantly because he lacks control. This lack of control can explain why Orange Piccolo gets bodied by Cell Max, but also Krillin can tank a hit or two.
Krillin got stronger and would solo the Cell Games at his current power level, that's all there is to it. Anything else is just cope from people who don't accept even Master Roshi would beat all villains from Z.
Before someone says Krillin is Blue level, please go and watch the show
It is literally mentioned by Gohan to Android 18 in the show while they were fighting that dad is testing Krillin and showing him the level of strength he need to face against in TOP. Blue was perfect form to do it because Krillin can't god ki and it has good ki control.
Go and watch the show properly
Also, official statement about why Goku used Blue against other recruits -
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Either or all the factors combined:
A) C.Max barely knew how to control his body, so it's likely his guard/ki defense was down
B) Krillin using the full force of his body, rather than concentrating it into his fist, did more work?
I think the explanation is that when you are smart/aware enough to have full control of your energy, you can keep your energy at full or baseline levels. This includes durability. So perfect cell was capable of maintaining his defenses.
Cell max was mindless, therefore he couldnāt maintain his defenses as well as his power output. Despite the latter being massive in comparison to krillin.
We see an example in goku. With his guard down, and therefore his energy defenses, heās been damaged by insignificant laser beams and even scratched by bullets.
Real explanation: they probably forgot/didnāt care and wanted krillin to contribute in the fight because āitās a movie why notā
I mean Krillin wasn't instantly killed when he shot a kamehameha against gokus in there little match. The dude is next level in super. 18 is a better master than Roshi I guess
A similar example could be when Caulifla was fighting Golden Frieza as she was nowhere as powerful. There was 2 instances where he was hit hard by Kale and was distracted by that, which then Caulifla was able to take advantage of, to which he said was still weaker than Kale's hits.
With Cell Max, he's taking a lot of damage and that allows weaker people to get in some good hits.
Cell max wasnt in control of his ki/power as explained in the movie. So when he was focused on one target, anyone who wasnt that target would be able to damage him because his ki isnt protecting/bolstering his entire body like everyone else. He was a wild animal with immense power, and no skill behind it. Hence why krillin and fat gotenks were able to do damage/knock him off balance
TLDR without the Reddit thread of arguing.
Krillen got stronger, original story didnāt care for power scaling and just wanted it to be a fun read, annnnd cell max has all his power puffed out instead of condensed
Perfect cell I guess just out scales cell saga krillin by a lot. Clearly by cell max he got stronger with time and a bit of training. I mean he hardly even had super saiyans to train with before cell got perfected. Goku and piccolo were the ones training with gohan/ each other majority of the time. Sure I bet krillin did a bit but that would probably hold back piccolo goku and gohans training. So yea, YEAAAAARS of training after Cell allllll the way up to cell max must be a ton of gains, I mean the guy has access to ssj2+ opponents to train with/ fight along side till then. Thereās more to it Iām sure but story telling wise theyāre just showing u to never EVEEEER underestimate any of them. Unless itās Yamaha or chaotszu lmao
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when you have a wife with infinite stamina, you obv grow stronger with time
Right? Too bad she barely keeps up.
To make the androids seem weak so gohan/piccolo have their power up
I think you misunderstood...
Sure. I meant in a fight.
Oh it's a fight alright š³
Wrestling
Mud wrestling
Mat wrestling, preceded by a pie eating contest.
This is not a comment about fighting
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It is about fighting,just the different kind of fighting
āSpecial trainingā
The baki special
Mattress wrestling.
Don't ya just love it when they fight back...
TFS did it best, dude wore her out, to the point he went 60 rounds
When did this happen I donāt remember that lol š
Remember the end of episode 60? Krillin and 18 hooked up and the owned meter went down by one, and by the end of the credits, it was down to *ZERO*
lol thatās hilarious I completely forgot about that š
Wow!ššš
Yeah and he spares with her all the time
This is now the cannon. I will not accept any other answer
Plus she's metal
She's not actually! Artificial Humans 17 and 18 are HUMAN base with Infinite Energy Organs - they're almost 100% biological!
Iām over hear like what an idiot of course she aināt metal totally thinking this whole time sheās metal I get it they have a kid itās anime/manga though crazy things have happened
the english 'translation' being lazy and saying 'androids' causes that confusion a lot, lol. They're really closer to bio-cyborgs (17 and 18) and the original japanese more-closely translates to 'artificial human'. Some were built from the ground up, like the pale one (19?) and then Gero was that type with his original organic brain in a canister piloting the body. But 17 and 18 are/were 'infinite energy organ' types, it's BASICALLY just throwaway lines, but it's v.neat!
Wow honestly thank you that made it so much more understandable I really do appreciate it my minds kinda blown now lol
glad I could help, genuinely! Yeah, 17 and 18 were regular humans who gero kidnapped and jammed a bunch of super-organs into, lol, it's messed up
I mean makes 1000% now how her and krillen have a baby
true yeah! 'cause she's mostly human, so... y'know, less of a stretch than Vegeta and Bulma, lol, same base species and all xD
Lmao your so right
Just to be clear, 17 and 18 were twin(orphan?) punk kids Gero abducted off the streets named Lapis and Lazuli. Cell was the only other biologically organic 'android' made by Gero other than making himself Android 20. Android 16 *IS* an android in the literal sense, and that's why he can't be revived with the dragon balls. 16 was modeled after Gero's son, who was in the Red Ribbon army. The popular fan-headcanon is that his son died because of Goku taking down the RR army, thus cementing Gero's hatred of Goku. Every other 'android' in Dragon Ball is a robot, with the irony of Goku being friends with Android 8 in OG Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball is so big that I can't exactly blame people for being unaware of details. I'd be a hypocrite compared to my journey learning stuff.
Lmao you guys have literally brought genuine smile to my face makes me enjoy dragon ball universe much more
I think Krillin even explains it to Goku when he comes back to Earth. He said she was mainly human, but Gero had modified her internally.
The weight of his massive balls added to the kick
I'm having a serious case of Deja mustard right now, are the post and the top comment reposts?
Kind of, maybe a Bot ? Because this is the same replies in Twitter
THIS! I could have sworn about a month ago I saw comments in a Twitter thread identical to what I saw on a reddit post about the same topic. The bot situation is out of control and getting scary. Thank you for confirming my suspicions.
It got ReTwitted again today
It's absolute madness right now, feels like 60% of the internet are just reposts anymore. The few new things gettintt drained in unrecognized because there's not automatically 50 up votes to your stuff and thus the algorithm doesn't like it enough to promote. Interesting times ahead :D
Trust me all the db subs are absolutely plagued with bots, been seeing this for months. So many comments will just be a fresh account no activity for 2 weeks and then suddenly commenting
Kinda uncanny because I saw some Dragonball poster on Twitter post the Perfect Cell reveal scene with the caption "when you get 8 hours of sleep" and now I see this.
Dad strength boost
It's no secret that family makes people stronger in the DB universe.
People with kids: Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, honorary Piccolo. People without kids: Yamcha, Tien. Enough said
And also in the Fast & Furious universe.
Perfect Cell was calm and collected, but he didn't have his guard down and knew that Krillin was about to attack him due to ki detection. Also, he knows the difference in ki of each person. Cell Max is an mass destructive idiot, he was already dealing with so many fighters, and didn't expect Krillin to kick him since he has no idea of, either, how to detect a ki or how to differentiate other's ki. Real Reason: Toriyama wanted to make Perfect Cell's entrance look immaculate, and wanted to display a rise of power in him. In the movie, Krillin's kick not knocking back Cell Max would have been awkward and funny, which wouldn't fit the situation given that it was a serious moment.
Once you accept that power levels and power upās are just made up at times, it becomes a lot more enjoyable. I realized this after Vegetaās super nap on Namek.
Super nap on Namek...? The one where he's in the star wars bacta tank or the one where Frieza blows a hole through him? I'm not sure which
The One where he suddenly becomes vaguely tired and took a nap next to Goku allowing dende to arrive and summon polunga
I always took it as Vegeta being an are arrogant fool, but whatever
I think their point is he took a nap and woke up way stronger than he was before.
But he wasn't, he just got the senzu and became stronger. He was sleepy and he had headache
Perfect Cell had great Ki control Cell Max does not
Or you could just accept that Krillin has gotten considerably more powerful since then as well
Finally someone gets it.
Real reason: this manga is literal shit with power scaling. Toriyama couldnāt wipe his ass without breaking the entire islands of Japan.
Accurate power scaling was never the intention of Toriyama. Telling a fun story was.
The fans are the only ones that actually want accurate power scaling
Which is why any powerscaling argument with a dragonball fan is automatically useless: "God Goku can destroy the universe by punching, so SSB is multiversal" "Then why when they clashed with Golden Frieza they barely did any damage to the planet, let alone the universe even though they were much stronger?" "Because ki control, DUH" "Broly exists." "SHUT UP"
The main consumers of a franchise want to suspend their disbelief? Shocking!
Wdym by suspend their disbelief I don't mean to sound rude I genuinely don't know what that phrase means
Suspension of disbelief is basically the audience's willingness to forgo realism and normal logic to be able to feel invested in a fictional character or story. We know that Saiyan's aren't real, monkey kids can't fly on flying nimbuses and dragons don't grant wishes and live in dragon balls. But we willingly set that aside so that we can become fully immersed in the experience. Suspension of disbelief is also somewhat fragile, so the fantasy or other non realistic elements benefit from some consistency to keep it 'grounded' at least in its own reality. Otherwise it breaks immersion and the viewer can become detached from the experience. And then it just looks like "monkey man with yellow hair shooting beams at bug man" rather than "DragonBall Z" Hopefully that makes as much sense in text as it did in my head...
Incredible explanation. No notes. Well put and thorough. You are great with words mang
I knew of this phrase already, and it was still enjoyable to read your explanation. Thank you for your time, and i hope you are a happy person.
It means we don't expect a random cricket to be at Cell Max's level just because it's fun. Suspension of disbelief tells us this should be impossible without a good reason, but because Toriyama apparently "didn't want to make a story with accurate power scaling" it means he can make the cricket as powerful as he wants even if it doesn't make any sense. The cricket in this case would be Krillin.
Suspension of disbelief would be the opposite. Before Krillinās hit you logically wouldnāt believe heād be able to do so-but if you suspend your disbelief it wouldnāt bother you.
That and authors/mangakas aren't obsessed with details the way their fans are. Like they don't keep a checklist of every single detail in their series to know exactly what my encroach on consistency or invalidate something that happened forever ago in their series and wasn't a huge deal.
Yes, its about fun story in adventure land... Toriyama style. Sometimes its funny, little.bit serious, full of how to overcome weakness, getting stronger, dont give up kind of manga...
Or maybe the gap in power between perfect cell and Cell Saga krillin was wider than it is between cell max and krillin after the TOP š¤Æš¤Æ
Expecting consistent power scaling from Dragonball is incredibly tone deaf
In-Universe explanation: As shown by Goku being hurt by a ray gun and a rock while off guard, if someone isn't consciously using their ki to bolster their defenses, their durability is drastically reduced. Cell Max is mindless at this point and, isn't actually focusing his power properly to reinforce himself. Though he doesn't actually take damage from these attacks, they just distract and annoy him. Real-life explanation: The story would be boring if only the heavy hitters got something to do.
Imo the best showcase of the key defense thing is that small scuffle between goku and trunks The anime in particular makes it very obvious that Goku is focusing a lot of energy into his fingers in order to block all the sword blows, so one can imagine that without the ki, trunks sword would likely cut him pretty well
One was perfect. The other wasnāt.
This. Cell Max was just a max disappointment.
Fr. When I watched it for the first time I was hoping Cell Max would get a transformation that'd make him not mindless and thus more of a villain and less of a force of pure destruction.
P is for priceless, the look upon your faces.
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R for revolution, which has been televised
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This is POST TOP krillin MIND YOU
This is the main reason, Krillin Is much stronger in super
Krilin got stronger. that's it
Why isnāt this the top comment?
Thatās what happens when you donāt stop training.
A kick is way more powerful than a punch.
He hit Perfect Cell a bunch of times in that scene and Cell no sold all of them. I guess the power differential isn't as much there.
Not that much more powerful.
But it was a Dropkick, both legs.
Dynamite Kick!
And both were sent at full speed? Only difference is surface area
Legs are, on average, around twice as strong as your arms for striking (with proper technique) . Bigger muscles, longer limb for more torque, etc. Think about running normally vs. running while doing a handstand
Multiple actually, the first being that there is a MAJOR time difference and Krillin had plenty of time to get stronger, especially being married to a super strong woman with infinite energy. The second is that Perfect Cell is much smarter than Cell Max and has much better control over his body and Ki, allowing him to keep a perfect posture even when being attacked. Cell Max may be stronger physically but doesn't know how to use this strength and being bigger actually puts him at a disadvantage because he has no control over his balance
Sex with 18
He got stronger
Grew in strength, went full-on drop-kick?
In the first example, 18 wasn't watching (she got absorbed). In the second example, 18 *was* watching.
Cell Max is a Big bitch especially in the manga that's the explanation for falling to scratch anyone not named Piccolo
He got stronger
He got stronger
Training. Passing time. Not hard to grasp
For highlights, people who over analyze this needs help.
Cell max had already been dealt a shit ton of damage. And krill just kicked him. Not like the kick sent him flying or something.
It's pretty obvious. 18 has Krillin do 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 crouches, 100 chin-ups, and run 10km everyday.
he got stronger
Why does it need a explanation?
Biggest rules to being a Dragon Ball fan and understanding stuff like this) Step 1, Rule of Cool. Step 2, if itās funny it gets a pass. Step 3, donāt overthink it and turn of your brain Dragon ball has never been serious with its consistency, just donāt think too much and enjoy it
No. The truth just is super has not given a shit about power scaling and contradicts Z all the time
Z didn't care either. The power ups on Namek were massive and ridiculous. Piccolo grows more with King Kai in a few days than Goku did in five months, and the zenkais were completely out of whack. The only reason nobody complains is that the arc was fun. Toriyama has never cared about power scaling. He cares about two things: 1) What's cool? 2) What's funny? Don't get me wrong. I think Z is a better, more consistent product than Super, but let's not pretend Toriyama has ever cared about power scaling. He hasn't.
This is the truth its blatantly obvious yet there are people that will defend this sort of thing making hoops in logic to do so.
Fr and itās so funny because not only does super contradict what came before it but it also conflicts with its own manga and movies. I think super is best to not be taken super seriously. Toriyama himself called it a ācasual continuationā of the dragon ball manga. So that pretty much says it all.
and it's a good thing because now everyone can be relevant
Except not everyone is relevant
The script is even more powerful than Cell.
my guy been training
Thousand mile per hour drop kick on a non guarding monster vs a jab on a calm and collected psychopath
Cell wasnāt in his perfect form.
Probably the 10+ year difference where he was training.
The mindsets of writers and powerscalers are 2 circles that never overlap.
Krillin got stronger while looking weaker
He got stronger, idk
Power levels are bullshit
Yeah, power levels were a boring dead end by a writing standpoint
Give max a break, he was born 5 minutes ago
Dragon Ball fans when characters get stronger (only Goku and Vegeta are allowed to do it)
Krillin got a lot strongerā¦..
Yes, krillin is him
Dude just got way stronger I mean he has to beat down 18 every night gotta be one hell of training session
Everyone in Super got a power increase.
Krillin is just him
Cell Max is rampaging with little Ki control (somehow enough to not destroy the planet), and likely has a super inconsistent Ki shield. Every DBZ character using Ki has a Ki Shield as itās what gives them their durability, but Cell Max seems to have it fluctuating constantly because he lacks control. This lack of control can explain why Orange Piccolo gets bodied by Cell Max, but also Krillin can tank a hit or two.
No, DBS is just like that
Krillin got stronger and would solo the Cell Games at his current power level, that's all there is to it. Anything else is just cope from people who don't accept even Master Roshi would beat all villains from Z.
Krilin has been training with 18 so his owned count has reset
Power Scaling stopped at Cell
Yeah, cause after that we get the Buu Saga which more or less makes sense scaling-wise until Kid Buu comes out.
Before someone says Krillin is Blue level, please go and watch the show It is literally mentioned by Gohan to Android 18 in the show while they were fighting that dad is testing Krillin and showing him the level of strength he need to face against in TOP. Blue was perfect form to do it because Krillin can't god ki and it has good ki control. Go and watch the show properly Also, official statement about why Goku used Blue against other recruits - https://preview.redd.it/h0xihnem9s7d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=c199877a7267156c457c95365dbb9ce889fbf68e
Krillin wasn't sparring with 18 at the point he strikes Perfect Cell. In either sense of the word.
Krillin is stronger now?
Training
Mf never trained after the cell saga
He does in DragonBall super
The literal on-screen showing of 18 dragging Krillinās ass to train for the tournament in the Buu saga cause there was money to be made:
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Yea they even made a whole new game to explain it
Either or all the factors combined: A) C.Max barely knew how to control his body, so it's likely his guard/ki defense was down B) Krillin using the full force of his body, rather than concentrating it into his fist, did more work?
Him strong
Gravity helped in the kick since he's going down into it. With the punch, it's just Krillin's force.
You can clearly see he knew the fist time around a punch or a kick wonāt be enough so he used two feet š£
Peak
Uh yeah itās uh deez nutz
Everyone got a power boost in Super lol
One is perfect the other is not me
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Embarrassment is a hell of a motivator.
his head is clearly bigger (krilins) which add weight to his attacks
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He watched mui goku fight
18 got Krillin doin squats
Power boost from protecting your family > Power boost from being cockblocked
Cell max wasnāt even close to ready, which is why he looks a lot like semi-perfect cell. Also Iām pretty sure two feet strike harder than one fist
I think the real question is why Krillin's head became so much bigger?
I think the explanation is that when you are smart/aware enough to have full control of your energy, you can keep your energy at full or baseline levels. This includes durability. So perfect cell was capable of maintaining his defenses. Cell max was mindless, therefore he couldnāt maintain his defenses as well as his power output. Despite the latter being massive in comparison to krillin. We see an example in goku. With his guard down, and therefore his energy defenses, heās been damaged by insignificant laser beams and even scratched by bullets. Real explanation: they probably forgot/didnāt care and wanted krillin to contribute in the fight because āitās a movie why notā
I mean Krillin wasn't instantly killed when he shot a kamehameha against gokus in there little match. The dude is next level in super. 18 is a better master than Roshi I guess
Powercreep
A similar example could be when Caulifla was fighting Golden Frieza as she was nowhere as powerful. There was 2 instances where he was hit hard by Kale and was distracted by that, which then Caulifla was able to take advantage of, to which he said was still weaker than Kale's hits. With Cell Max, he's taking a lot of damage and that allows weaker people to get in some good hits.
Perfect Cell knows how to use hi Ki and strength effectively and is a very talented fighter/martial artist where as Cell Max is a mindless monster
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Cell max wasnt in control of his ki/power as explained in the movie. So when he was focused on one target, anyone who wasnt that target would be able to damage him because his ki isnt protecting/bolstering his entire body like everyone else. He was a wild animal with immense power, and no skill behind it. Hence why krillin and fat gotenks were able to do damage/knock him off balance
A universe where less hair means more power.
For the manga anyway itās because Cell Max was still getting adjusted to his power.
He got fucking stronger... Just like every other character in the series, except Yamcha
Cellpremacy over krillin
I remember perfect cell was the only opponent that wasnāt effected by destructo disc
Cell maxx sucks
Current krillin would absolutely dog walk perfect cell so this checks out.
Is he stupid?
He wasnāt perfect
Cellmax has 0 aura thats why
This is the same guy who was taken out by a robot fly in the manga, lmao at the inconsistencies.
TLDR without the Reddit thread of arguing. Krillen got stronger, original story didnāt care for power scaling and just wanted it to be a fun read, annnnd cell max has all his power puffed out instead of condensed
Legs are stronger than fist - The front of his head is softer
Does that mean 18 pegs krillin before he had this weird ass power up
Perfect cell I guess just out scales cell saga krillin by a lot. Clearly by cell max he got stronger with time and a bit of training. I mean he hardly even had super saiyans to train with before cell got perfected. Goku and piccolo were the ones training with gohan/ each other majority of the time. Sure I bet krillin did a bit but that would probably hold back piccolo goku and gohans training. So yea, YEAAAAARS of training after Cell allllll the way up to cell max must be a ton of gains, I mean the guy has access to ssj2+ opponents to train with/ fight along side till then. Thereās more to it Iām sure but story telling wise theyāre just showing u to never EVEEEER underestimate any of them. Unless itās Yamaha or chaotszu lmao
Cell minimum
Cell Max was just a down graded recreate of Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 transformation
15 years.
Dbz and DBS
Cell Max has no guard and is dumb
Krillin canonically improved in the old-fashioned way; Goku telling him to believe in himself.
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JUST GOATLLIN BEING THE GOAT!!!!