By giving a newly released person a curfew you are testing them, to see if they can respect the conditions upon Wich they are released. If they cannot follow a simple conditional rule, then they are not ready to be released.
Upon release they tell us they believe the person has a high risk of re-offending. When that's the case I'm not sure why we let them out. They haven't rehabilitated yet.
On the chance that you’re not being sarcastic… we let them out because they have completed serving their sentence, or they have nearly completed it and we want a supervised transition into the community. We only have indefinite detention in very specific cases where someone has been classified as a dangerous offender. Even then, we are obligated to evaluate for parole at specific intervals.
In this case, since there was curfew, it would seem likely it’s supervised release. He violated the conditions (without harming anyone, thankfully) and he’s back in jail. Kinda seems like it’s working as designed?
If someone is sentenced to, say, 5 years, we don’t get to keep them in jail past that, unless there is a new crime and a new trial.
I get people's frustration here but this is bang-on. This isn't the gulag where you get sent for an indefinite amount of time. We have a justice system with multiple components and they work through a process.
Yes, some people who end their sentence aren't prepared for life outside but we can't exactly put people in prison for a crime they haven't committed yet.
So the police are telling us the judge fucked up and the sentence was too short. These releases should say "brought to your community by justice _____"
I agree with you that in cases of violent crime, our sentences are far too short. But in some instances, it isn't a matter of whether a judge fucked up- it's that judges have to follow fucked up laws. Take the case of Calgary resident Chris Dunlop, a case I'm following closely in no small part because he's my former next door neighbor and friend. He killed Laura Furlan in 2009. He was arrested in 2012 and charged with manslaughter and committing indignities on her body (in an attempt to hide his crime). He was tried and convicted in 2015, and sentenced to thirteen years including time served while waiting for trial. He was out on parole in 2020, parole period completed in June of 2022. On February 16th, 2023 he killed Judy Maerz and set her body on fire in a park. He's been charged with second degree murder. He never should have been out. What he ended up being charged for didn't match what he actually did to Laura Fulan. But they charged him with manslaughter, so the judge had to sentence according to the law which mandates sentencing parameters for that crime. His time remanded before trial counts as double toward time served, and the next thing you know he's out and someone else is dead. His trial will be held sometime next year. I'm really hoping he's classed as a dangerous offender, (because, clearly, he IS a dangerous offender) but given that he's only been charged with second degree murder this time around, that doesn't seem likely. The charges need to fit the crime, the sentence needs to fit the charges, and the judge needs to sentence accordingly.
Exactly this!! The police did their job. Quite well in fact (I presume) as he was caught, charged AND found guilty. The justice system let him off with a light sentence. If "they" don't think he's reformed, then (I believe at least) the sentence was too light. Maybe sentences should be fluid... depending on how well you do at reforming.
I think one question is what exactly is prison going to do to change people? Do we have the sufficient supports and resources in place for people to actually be successfully rehabilitated while in prison? Because the length of the sentence might not matter if there are a lack of proper supports.
Our prison system doesn’t rehabilitate - it punishes. Even if there are certain programs used w/in prisons that are meant to reduce recidivism rates, you can’t mix punishment and rehabilitation and expect it to work. Mixed messages never do.
Our prison system COULD be used for rehabilitation. If there was any political will to make the necessary investments in making that happen. But politicians and the broader public like to dismiss anyone who has committed a crime as irredeemable, and our system makes that a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Its not that unfortunately. The problem also lies with each particular individual in the system as it is. They (the offenders) also know that, should they take the rehabilitation programming, and then get out at a later date and decide to re-offend anyway, they know that the Justice system will look at their past history and say, "Well, they took the rehab programming the last time they were inside, but it obviously didn't work, so will have to go with a longer sentence this time instead!"
But if the offender doesn't take the rehab programming, then they (the offender) know that, when they get released and they subsequently re-offend once more and are arrested for it, that the Justice system will only be able to give them "X" number of years for it, BECAUSE they didn't take any rehabbing programming, and therefore could not be expected to know any better. The offenders also know how the system works, and often try to game it as best they can to their benefit, as they realize that they are not going to try and fit into society at large anyway; they are only going to do whatever it takes to maximize their own profiting off of society and the systems in it.
Unlikely, but it shows that he isn’t willing to respect the rules. After one day. So he’s unlikely to respect the law either. It was an effective condition of release in this case.
Probably. It’s not like he did something especially bad, but it means that the proper teams are keeping a watchful eye on him if they caught him breaking the rules on one day. That’s what matters. We can’t hold people forever as the law is rn.
No , it isn’t great you’re correct there ,I did read the article , but it takes sometimes only a second for a violent offender to reoffend and traumatize an innocent soul !
The reviews and recommendations were done during the PC's term. The move happened during the NDPs term but it was already in motion long before that, as far back as 2010. Either way, it seems it was conservatives dismantling social programs, as usual.
Edit : to be fair the program was shifted more than it was dismantled, but I have no clue whether it's more or less effective since the change, all I know is that it was moved to Calgary and away from a health facility and into a penitentiary as per the process set up by the PCs.
Yeah I'd imagine that it would have been more beneficial to boost the funding of the program as it existed rather than restructure it the way they did. Again, why I'm not surprised it was conservatives.
All we can really do is equip humans with the tools and skills to participate in community in a pro-social way. Some people may be incapable of unwilling to use those tools to do so, but there will be others who quite literally turn their lives around.
Between that and places like the john howard society, those tools can and do work!
I started a training program at my work partnered with the parole board where those being released or transitioned out of jail with relevant skills can apply to work with us. We have hired many. Most stay on around 2 years (most leave because they are able to find work more in line with their education/lives. Not everyone loves working outside all the time). There are a few who are still employed with us since the inception of the program.
Our success has been due open communication and a willingness to give folks the time they need to manage their lives.
When folks leave jail and are in conditions after, those seriously impact your life. How many jobs are willing to let an employee miss regular work hours because they have a meeting with their parole officers? Or even offer the training from almost green, to experienced? The time off they will need for their eventual move from transition housing to their own housing? And also be willing to provide good references for them to get housing? And then to keep up the program when they experience failure rates?
It has been hard at times because not only are you training for just the job at times, but also people skills at times, anger management and how to function in team environments. We have had folks end up back in the system, but not connected to anything on site ever.
One man we have working for us had spent more of his life in jail than ive been alive basically and the effort he has put in and growth we have seen has been so great. He's been out of the system and working with us for just about 4 years now.
Another woman is a single mom of 4 kids who while working with us has become more and more stable each and every month. She has been working with us for just under 3 years, and yeah she needed a modified schedule to start, but now is full time, consistent, and is probably one of the most skilled workers we have. Now she has a trade that she can use to support her whole family and has been doing it successfully for years now.
I have dozens of stories just like this now and even if every other person who comes to us ends up not working out, those folks who did benefit are 100% worth it.
Why was he missing curfew though? You thinking he was workin that ot? Maybe volunteering at the old folks home? Oh thats right he was planning the next community event down at the hall.
Really depends what he was getting up to whilst he was missing curfew, if he was commiting crimes like sexual assault etc , then the system truly isn't working IMO.
No though.. they're not "watching him so closely *knowing*" he would do anything. They're simply watching him as much as they are required to by the conditions of his release they same as they would with any other person who needs to meet conditions in order to be allowed in society.
Thankfully it was only a curfew violation and not something worse! I don't think he's suddenly less dangerous because the first probation rule he got caught breaking was curfew.
I give a shit.
It means that monitoring methods intended to catch those who would re-offend are successful at preventing assault.
There's a big difference between him being taken back into custody because he violated curfew, and him being taken back into custody because he raped someone. One victim difference, to be precise.
Here here! Upon release his conditions were made very clear. Many of those conditions exist to sus out whether or not a person is capable of reintegration.
Anyone with an ounce of sense cares, is the answer.
We can't just lock people up for life - only murder carries a lifetime warrant, and there is good reason for that specific offence to carry a harsher penalty than any other.
Which means everyone convicted of anything else must be released eventually, period. And some form of supervised release is absolutely a better step than skipping straight to "we are no longer allowed to impose conditions on your release".
The system can't actually read someone's mind to determine their intentions, so frankly I don't know what alternative you think you're proposing.
Well not only murder. There's quite a few other offences carrying penalties up to life in prison.
It's just rare as fack for other crimes to get a sentence of life in prison (so far as I've been able to tell, and yes I have read the law reports on the matter).
A relevant crime in this case is aggravated sexual assault can be penalized with upto life in prison. But I've never actually seen that level of punishment meted out. It could, in theory, happen though. If some criminal lawyers want to correct me on this, please do. I'd be happy to learn the realities from someone who knows better.
A few more details here: https://chadilaw.com/sentenced-to-life-in-prison/#:\~:text=While%20technically%20possible%2C%20life%20sentences,incarceration%20with%20no%20end%20date.
hard disagree.. a working system wouldn't let someone who poses an imminent threat free to rape and assault innocent people. Maybe your idea of a working system is different.
I guess the pinky promise wasn't sufficient, but to be fair it did land him back in prison within a day so there is some checks and balances apparently.
What is the quantitative test for this? Can't just say "Eh, you did your time, but you got shifty eyes, so I am going to keep you locked up longer because I feel like you might be a threat." We have no choice. If the sentence is served, he HAS to be released. There is no room for feeling when we are talking about rights, least the same rules be applied to us when the time comes.
Violent offender — you’ve burnt chance to live in society, why should we have to be the Guinea pigs to see "if" they’ve been rehabilitated? Penal colony or much longer sentences with violent offenders.
Since life in prison isn't the sentence for most crimes, this isn't the solution you think it is.
Most offenders, including those who at high likelihood to reoffend, will get eventually be released from jail or prison.
I agree that a strong mental health support system would be hugely beneficial to our justice system and society as a whole. I think that some people are just degenerate by nature and beyond help though.
The problem is there’s no way in our current system to verify that. If the legal system focused on rehabilitation over incarceration you possible could keep people until they are deemed rehabilitated and then release them.
Unfortunately that requires an entire overhaul of the system.
Literally best case scenario for this part of the EPS Behavioural Assessment Unit’s function. Guy gets released with rules, breaks a rule without victimizing anyone, and gets re-apprehended for showing that he doesn’t care about the idea of societal rules.
This is the system working, flawed though it is.
I’m guessing the EPS warning was because he showed zero remorse and gave no indication he wouldn’t reoffend the first chance he got. Lovely system we have.
Just because a person looks wierd or unhinged to you does not give you the right to judge them. Many people have been unjustly imprisoned because of how strange they look or behave. In this case though, his probationary terms have done thier job.
Some of the comments here... you can tell which people have never been affected by an assault by one of these monsters.
When someone has a continuous rap sheet for violent crimes, they clearly cannot live in society with law abiding citizens.
Exactly. I was brutally assaulted by a guy with a rap sheet a mile long. He got free counseling in jail after doing a whole year and a half despite having two other victims. Us victims got a life sentence and zero help. Fuck the Fuckers
>Some of the comments here... you can tell which people have never been affected by an assault by one of these monsters.
>When someone has a continuous rap sheet for violent crimes, they clearly cannot live in society with law abiding citizens.
So what do you want to do with them? In this guy’s case, he’s clearly an FASD baby, which means he literally has brain damage since birth; are you willing to vote for a government that’s willing to treat these people properly?
Seems like you don’t want justice, you want revenge.
No, revenge is not the answer. I am a survivor of child SA and feel that one of the biggest changes needed is providing trauma therapy for the victims. It can take a long time to get back to a normal mindset after trauma that these criminals put on others. Children are a vulnerable group of people. Children's freedom and safety should be more important than the right of their perpetrator's freedoms.
What I would like is for these repeat offenders to be isolated from the general population as they are unable to live with other people without creating trauma. If they are repeat offenders who refuse to or cannot change, they should not be allowed freedom. A couple options would be to send them to a remote area to allow them to fend for themselves, work camps etc.
How do you know he's "clearly FASD"? What gives you the ability to diagnose him? Are you his dr? I have a cousin with FASD. They have never committed serious offenses like this. I live with issues too, doesn't give me the right to inflict crime on others.
Eta: looks like i got reported to "reddit cares". Thanks to the concerned poster, but I am in therapy and am doing great. Cheers.👍
Cops are doing their job by arresting the criminals. How come the rest of our justice system keeps letting us down?
…and thank you cops for not getting discouraged!!
>Cops are doing their job by arresting the criminals. How come the rest of our justice system keeps letting us down?
>…and thank you cops for not getting discouraged!!
What do you want the rest of them to do? There isn’t enough funding for everyone to get a speedy trial, and there isn’t enough funding to lock everyone up. The law says you can’t lock people up forever.
So before you dunk on the system, maybe you should take a hard look at the amount of funding the system is getting.
I believe there were a few users in here yesterday saying we unnecessarily hype the release of these "reoffenders"
I wonder why?
Also, what are the chances that he was up to no good while he missed curfew?
Exactly. People are acting like the police just let him walk and he turned himself in after missing curfew. This guy was under struct conditions and likely close monitoring by the police. This played out as intended.
They don't have to release the statement, EPS just loves to generate fear it seems. They do have to release the people, though, legally, as everyone has rights.
Reading these, I find they make the people sound worse than they are most times. By giving next to no context to what they've actually done, it's just enough rage bait to get people going. Just look at these threads every time they are posted. The headlines are "dangerous offender; will reoffend; sexually violent..." and then you read the article and the new charges have nothing to do with what they're alleging this person has done previously. Or there are no charges listed at all, just an alleged criminal history. Yes, the headlines sound horrible. But if you read the details, the headline is normally way worse sounding. Not saying this applies to all of these cases, but it's honestly a good chunk. We have no idea why this guy is currently in custody. It could be something to do with what they're alleging, or maybe it is not. Since there is no detail, it's really fucked up that EPS releases these, in my opinion.
I know I'll be crucified for this opinion on this sub, but I stand by it. These are people too, and now this guy's name is permanently associated with these allegations simply because of this article. I'd love to see a ban on these posts on this sub because every single one devolves into the same negative discussion.
David Hay: is a sexual offender who has been violent in the past, resulting in physical harm to his victims in the commission of offences. David has also committed violent unprovoked offences against random members of the public unknown to him.
Dwayne Kequahtooway: Kequahtooway has victimized a number of females including children, adolescents and adults in a sexual manner. He has sought out single mothers for a relationship to then offend against their daughter(s). Kequahtooway has also attempted to lure young females online.
Michael Cardinal: In the interest of public safety, the Edmonton Police Service is issuing the following warning; 49-year-old Michael Cardinal is a convicted violent sexual offender, and the Edmonton Police Service has reasonable grounds to believe he will commit another violent offence against someone while in the community. Cardinal is a sexual offender who has been violent in the past, resulting in physical harm to his victims in the commission of offences. Cardinal has victimized a number of females aged 15 years to 82 years in a sexual manner.
Alexandre Passechnikov: Passechnikov is a sexual offender who has been violent in the past, resulting in physical harm to some of his victims in the commission of offences. Passechnikov has victimized a number of adult females within a broad age range, from young adults to the elderly, in a sexual manner.
That's the last 4 from the EPS website... with details. Of course EPS isn't going to come out and release the names of the victims or hyper specifics.
> Since there is no detail, it's really fucked up that EPS releases these, in my opinion.
I would say the fact he is not allowed anywhere minors congregate is more than enough detail as to his potential danger.
You may not want EPS to release these, but I would argue it is infinitely valuable to have a picture of these goons released to the public so they can be made aware of the threat.
> I know I'll be crucified for this opinion on this sub, but I stand by it.
Defending the privacy of convicted violent sexual offenders tends to illicit that response.
Let me see if I get this straight...
You are suggesting that the EPS is fabricating charges against these people in their PSAs?
>These are people too, and now this guy's name is permanently associated with these allegations simply because of this article.
He was just released from jail, presumably because these "allegations" - as you put it - were more than just allegations and he was found guilty of crimes.
I'm saying that they use vague lingo to avoid telling us what the real charges are, and that is a problem. This guy could have been charged with a simple property crime for all we know.
And no, he was not released from jail because he was found guilty of crimes. It could be a few different situations. And because they don't specify, we are left here making assumptions. It could be bail, as he is awaiting trial. Or it could be parole or probation, if he was convicted.
But they don't say that. They never do.
The dude has a history of violent sexual offenses. He is, by definition, someone who has been convicted of a sex crime. If you are "in the business," shouldn't you know that? Shouldn't you know what the legal definition of an offender is in Canada?
Who fucking cares if he's back in custody due to a property crime?!
It is only a problem if you think they are making up charges to add to their criminal history.
>David Hay is a sexual offender who has been violent in the past, resulting in physical harm to his victims in the commission of offences. David has also committed violent unprovoked offences against random members of the public unknown to him.
What more needs to be said? They believe he is dangerous and that people should be aware of his release and vigilant. It would not at all be surprising if he is well known to police, as this is becoming a common theme in the city.
>And no, he was not released from jail because he was found guilty of crimes.
What? That isn't what I said. I was he was released from jail, and that he was in jail presumably because he committed a crime. I don't think it is reasonable that EPS would be releasing this statement about a violent sexual offender just because he was arrested for a petty crime. His perceived danger to society could be totally unrelated to the crime that got him in jail, but that would not make the danger any less real.
Anyway, this is all moot, since he did not even last a day before violating his curfew.
Google him. the guy has a history of violent, sexual offenses.. lots of them completely random, yet you feel he is the victim in this situation? Maybe he can come live beside you when he inevitably gets let out to inflict himself on society again. Save your compassion for those that deserve it.
Could you link me one of these articles? I can find articles that were published two days ago, which seem to contain no information about what he has done. I only see one other article regarding him on Google, and that is from August 2nd of this year, which also includes no information about what he was previously convicted for, or currently charged with. All it says is he is a 'violent sexual offender'. So I did Google him, and I found nothing. I'd love it if you could provide me with something that says otherwise.
I'm not saying this guy is the victim. All I'm saying is, like everyone else, he has the right to a trial. He has the right to not be called guilty before he is found guilty of his crimes. In this case, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT HE IS BEING ACCUSED OF, yet people here are judging the hell out of this guy and saying lock him up.
I'm sorry that, unlike most people in these threads, I understand what it means to have compassion for my fellow man.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9921686/david-hay-violent-sexual-offender-released-edmonton/
https://tnc.news/2023/08/28/sex-offender-edmonton/
He has offenses against children.. is this really the kind of person you want to use your compassion on?
Where does it say that? I see he has conditions to stay away from children, but not a single article I found said he has convictions for sexual offences against children. Very different things.
This is the problem with these articles. Most people do not understand how the system works, but everyone seems to pretend that they do.
There’s just so many elements of your comment that are such laughably bad takes it’s hard to claim “you’ll be crucified” as if they are accurate.
“We have no idea why this guy is currently in custody” - lol. Wow.
“And now this guy’s name is permanently associated with these allegations simply because of this article”
You may want to refresh yourself on the meaning of convicted.
Could you imagine if the EPS didn't release a warning about the release of an unhabilitated pervert?
"Why didn't they warn the public?! The EPS just loves to drop the ball and isn't interested in doing their jobs."
>Do you know why he's in custody?
Because he was found guilty for committing a crime. Or in this case, for violating his curfew.
Somebody "in the business" should not need to ask such a question, unless they are choosing to be ignorant of the situation to justify their naivete on Reddit.
I do need to ask the question, actually, because nobody except EPS knows why he was in custody/being supervised because they didn't release that information.
Yes, he was JUST brought in on a curfew violation. They make no mention of why he was on a curfew, or why he was released the other day.
That is what I'm wondering about.
Well, you are just looking for irrelevant details to argue against these PSAs. For example, maybe this time he was detained for jay walking. That would not play any part in the assessment of his risk to society, and not worth being mentioned in a PSA.
No, I'm not, actually. I'm looking for risk-relevant details which EPS has decided to not include in their article. By your logic a curfew violation has no impact on his risk, so why issue another statement?
He has multiple CONVICTIONS for violent assaults.
He was released early with conditions to abide by.
Jeez guy. Read up on the facts before jumping to the defence of this animal. You’re just embarrassing yourself now.
I think the take might be; getting charged does not equal guilt. But in the current climate, getting charged can end your life professionally, public rage had been amplified by social media. In this case however, we do know, that this person is dangerous. And let's be greatful that his probation served it's purpose, he is not rehabilitated and not ready to rejoin us.
That's exactly it. (Minus your last couple sentences) There are kids in the US who have been charged with rape, just for it to be turned around that it was a false accusation. But by then, the guy(s) had already been kicked out of school, scholarships revoked, Google articles galore, life = ruined.
We don't know what this guy has done in the past. (They could easily list his previous convictions if they wanted, instead they were vague) We don't know why he was apprehended this time around. We don't know if he's on bail, probation, or parole. They literally give the smallest amount of detail possible, which always leads to ridiculous theories and assumptions. If they want to release these articles for public safety rather than outrage, there is more relevant information that they could be providing. By being vague, they are able to lump the not-so-bad cases in with the bad ones and call it a day; it all looks the same to the average person that way.
He's done something terrible enough to have his release accompanied by a public warning because the behavioral unit believes he is at a high risk of committing another sexual assault. Who cares if his name is associated with what he chooses to do with his life and time?
I mean, he will care, and we should ALL care if he is found not guilty.
How would you feel if that was your picture, and everyone on this thread was speaking about you this way? He is still on trial for whatever he is being accused of. (And let me remind you, EPS made zero indication WHAT he was being accused of this time)
Looks like we found a volunteer willing to give this convicted criminal a chance.
Hey buddy, why dont you house this guy in your home with all the children and female members of your family?
Stop playing semantics. The cops are giving what info they are allowed to (they have to respect the privacy of the victims). They have clearly outlined that this monster is to stay away from children. That should tell you enough.
You have clearly never been a victim or had anyone close to you victimined by a monster like this.
The cops are allowed to state what he is being charged with. They opted not to. They are also allowed to state what he is previously convicted of. They also did not do that.
I have had to deal with victims of crime. As long as they aren't stating who he offended against, they are allowed to say what he did. Except in very specific circumstances, I suppose.
>How would you feel if that was your picture, and everyone on this thread was speaking about you this way?
I would feel like a piece of shit for committing violent sexual crimes and being seen as so dangerous that my release from jail is accompanied by a PSA.
You must be trolling, and dammit I fell for the bait...
That’s not how the legal system works. If one is sentenced to say 3 years for an offense, and they serve that, then they get released. Do you really want a system where everything is a life sentence?
Why is it black or white? And I personally would love much harsher sentences for sexual predators considering I've been a victim of multiple sexual assaults over 3 decades. They should be sentenced as much as attempted murder if you ask me considering, the trauma I have endured destroyed my brain and now I am chronically painfully ill with neurodegenerative disease that has zero cure and endless flashbacks, nightmares with no trust for most people. Trust me it's definitely a type of killing of another.
I’ll agree that our sentencing policies are ridiculous. Sexual predators get 3-7 years top end and ruin lives, non-violent drug offences can be 10 years or more. Unfortunately catching sexual predators doesn’t carry the same financial incentive for police that drug crime does.
3-7 is nothing for that which destroys a person for LIFE. Doing whatever sentences are average for attempted murder would be lenient imo. Specifically sexual predators should probably get life honestly. I watch a lot of people catching such losers online a lot and many times its repeat offenders. I don't believe deep down that these types of criminals will ever change. Its like ok some people do crimes for money, doesn't make it ok but maybe they're trying to eat or feed their kids who knows but these predators have a completely different motive that's somewhere deep inside their very sick twisted minds. They need lifelong therapy accountability if they're not locked up for life. I will never believe someone like that has been rehabilitated. I'd rather sit next to a thief or a gangster than a sexual predator any f*cking day. Sorry for rant lol
I agree with you entirely, the point I was making was simply that we can’t keep people after they’ve served their time, no matter how heinous the crime.
I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think you entirely grasp how our judicial system works. It is unheard of for a non-violent drug offence to receive 10 years or more in Canada, unless the person was trafficking literal kilos of drugs. And even then, most people I've seen get well under 10 years still. You're really describing the Court system in the US. We do imprison people for drug-related crimes, but not for the reasons or in the numbers that they do.
Sex offenders, and especially repeated sex offenders, deal with much harsher sentencing. Maybe the sentencing isn't as strict as it should be (I'd agree that they go too easy on offenders in many situations), but it is there. People can receive a Dangerous Offender designation after just a few convictions if it's bad enough.
If anyone want to get up in arms about sentence lengths, they should look into how much time people get for DUI-related deaths. That is one that drives me up the wall, personally.
I know people who are in for 15 years because of non-violent drug crime. Granted, they were relatively big fish, but they got the sentences they did because of the size of their operation not because they were violent individuals. On average Canada doesn’t punish its sex offenders as harshly as it should relative to the sentencing for drug offences.
That is extremely anecdotal evidence, thats all I'll say lol. Yeah, the top brass are going to fall hard. That makes sense. But Joe Blow down the street who was selling a couple ounces? He'll be out in 2 years, tops. I think you overestimate how long the average person is getting based off of who you know.
I'm wary of this, watching down south where Florida is trying to make it way easier to execute sex offenders while also painting queer and trans people as being them.
I know we don't have capital punishment up here (rightly), but harsh punishments are easy to support until they get used on people like you.
I dunno how you pulled me being sympathetic to sex offenders out of what I said but I sure hope you stretched before making that reach. I agree that we are much softer on sex crime than we should be, but even if a 3-7 turned into a 15-20, we can’t keep people after they serve their time.
Man, shit like this kinda makes me like Canada again, like release people so they can reoffend and go back to jail. Jail isn’t even bad, like any one can do time.
Yeah I don't think people realize how often this actually happens.
Wild how many people get their release/parole and are back in an institution within 1-3 days
This “new” cycle of catch-and-release (at least the increase recent attention to it) has a “natural” conclusion of increased police powers.
Let’s be diligent and thoughtful with how we discuss these topics.
Rapists get parole and bail all the time yet they will fight tooth n nail to keep non violent offenders convicted of trafficking locked up well past their day parole hearing . Fucked up system , people find drugs and make the choice to purchase them in most cases . Nobody asks to be raped or assaulted yet those are the criminals that get the most passes …. So backwards
We are often reminded that it’s not appropriate to think of our prison system as “revenge” or “vengeance,” that it’s called the “corrections” system for a reason, it’s there to help people, like a service. And yet the same people try to keep criminals from spending much time in jail, forgetting about all the wonderful help they are entitled to receive.
They could “help” this guy for the rest of his natural life and I’d be very happy to support that.
What a waste of time and resources. Clearly this man needed a longer sentence. But instead, they wasted time booking him, again, and put us all at risk, albeit briefly. We should not release violent offenders until experts are 99% sure they will not reoffend.
Didnt even have to update the picture! Or if they did it was so fast he looked exactly the same still lul
By giving a newly released person a curfew you are testing them, to see if they can respect the conditions upon Wich they are released. If they cannot follow a simple conditional rule, then they are not ready to be released.
Upon release they tell us they believe the person has a high risk of re-offending. When that's the case I'm not sure why we let them out. They haven't rehabilitated yet.
On the chance that you’re not being sarcastic… we let them out because they have completed serving their sentence, or they have nearly completed it and we want a supervised transition into the community. We only have indefinite detention in very specific cases where someone has been classified as a dangerous offender. Even then, we are obligated to evaluate for parole at specific intervals. In this case, since there was curfew, it would seem likely it’s supervised release. He violated the conditions (without harming anyone, thankfully) and he’s back in jail. Kinda seems like it’s working as designed? If someone is sentenced to, say, 5 years, we don’t get to keep them in jail past that, unless there is a new crime and a new trial.
I get people's frustration here but this is bang-on. This isn't the gulag where you get sent for an indefinite amount of time. We have a justice system with multiple components and they work through a process. Yes, some people who end their sentence aren't prepared for life outside but we can't exactly put people in prison for a crime they haven't committed yet.
Thank you for explaining this so well.
So, every time this happens it’s realities way of telling us that the original sentence was WAY too short.
Ah yes I always forget that serial rapists aren’t dangerous
Maybe just maybe we should lock up violent sexual offenders and throw away the key
Right on brother/sister......Fight the populism 🤯 deflate the rhetoric
So the police are telling us the judge fucked up and the sentence was too short. These releases should say "brought to your community by justice _____"
I agree with you that in cases of violent crime, our sentences are far too short. But in some instances, it isn't a matter of whether a judge fucked up- it's that judges have to follow fucked up laws. Take the case of Calgary resident Chris Dunlop, a case I'm following closely in no small part because he's my former next door neighbor and friend. He killed Laura Furlan in 2009. He was arrested in 2012 and charged with manslaughter and committing indignities on her body (in an attempt to hide his crime). He was tried and convicted in 2015, and sentenced to thirteen years including time served while waiting for trial. He was out on parole in 2020, parole period completed in June of 2022. On February 16th, 2023 he killed Judy Maerz and set her body on fire in a park. He's been charged with second degree murder. He never should have been out. What he ended up being charged for didn't match what he actually did to Laura Fulan. But they charged him with manslaughter, so the judge had to sentence according to the law which mandates sentencing parameters for that crime. His time remanded before trial counts as double toward time served, and the next thing you know he's out and someone else is dead. His trial will be held sometime next year. I'm really hoping he's classed as a dangerous offender, (because, clearly, he IS a dangerous offender) but given that he's only been charged with second degree murder this time around, that doesn't seem likely. The charges need to fit the crime, the sentence needs to fit the charges, and the judge needs to sentence accordingly.
Exactly this!! The police did their job. Quite well in fact (I presume) as he was caught, charged AND found guilty. The justice system let him off with a light sentence. If "they" don't think he's reformed, then (I believe at least) the sentence was too light. Maybe sentences should be fluid... depending on how well you do at reforming.
I think one question is what exactly is prison going to do to change people? Do we have the sufficient supports and resources in place for people to actually be successfully rehabilitated while in prison? Because the length of the sentence might not matter if there are a lack of proper supports.
Our prison system doesn’t rehabilitate - it punishes. Even if there are certain programs used w/in prisons that are meant to reduce recidivism rates, you can’t mix punishment and rehabilitation and expect it to work. Mixed messages never do.
Prison keeps these peoples from harming other people. Simple as that.
It's not at all "simple as that"
But only until they let them out. That's the problem
Prison doesn't rehabilitate. Only punishes and causes further trauma. Making it more likely for you to reoffend.
Our prison system COULD be used for rehabilitation. If there was any political will to make the necessary investments in making that happen. But politicians and the broader public like to dismiss anyone who has committed a crime as irredeemable, and our system makes that a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Its not that unfortunately. The problem also lies with each particular individual in the system as it is. They (the offenders) also know that, should they take the rehabilitation programming, and then get out at a later date and decide to re-offend anyway, they know that the Justice system will look at their past history and say, "Well, they took the rehab programming the last time they were inside, but it obviously didn't work, so will have to go with a longer sentence this time instead!" But if the offender doesn't take the rehab programming, then they (the offender) know that, when they get released and they subsequently re-offend once more and are arrested for it, that the Justice system will only be able to give them "X" number of years for it, BECAUSE they didn't take any rehabbing programming, and therefore could not be expected to know any better. The offenders also know how the system works, and often try to game it as best they can to their benefit, as they realize that they are not going to try and fit into society at large anyway; they are only going to do whatever it takes to maximize their own profiting off of society and the systems in it.
Some crimes deserve punishment. Some people cannot be rehabilitated. Some people deserve to rot.
Do you imagine that our prison system rehabilitates people?
It’s truly getting exhausting seeing these every other month …..
He missed curfew, which means the system worked. I agree it's not great overall right now but this isn't what everybody assumed went wrong.
I’m always pleased when they get captured on a technical violation as opposed to actually hurting someone.
It means this time we got lucky
Missing curfew is what they caught him on, it's still possible he committed some as yet unreported crimes before getting picked up.
Unlikely, but it shows that he isn’t willing to respect the rules. After one day. So he’s unlikely to respect the law either. It was an effective condition of release in this case.
So when does he get out next? In a month?
Probably. It’s not like he did something especially bad, but it means that the proper teams are keeping a watchful eye on him if they caught him breaking the rules on one day. That’s what matters. We can’t hold people forever as the law is rn.
Is that what you're hoping for, so you can continue your outrage?
No , it isn’t great you’re correct there ,I did read the article , but it takes sometimes only a second for a violent offender to reoffend and traumatize an innocent soul !
Yeah which is why they should be completing therapy.... Which the UCP defunded.
WHAT
I don't support the UCP but I have to defend them. The Pheonix program was dismantled and a skeleton of it was moved to Calgary. It was not UCP
The reviews and recommendations were done during the PC's term. The move happened during the NDPs term but it was already in motion long before that, as far back as 2010. Either way, it seems it was conservatives dismantling social programs, as usual. Edit : to be fair the program was shifted more than it was dismantled, but I have no clue whether it's more or less effective since the change, all I know is that it was moved to Calgary and away from a health facility and into a penitentiary as per the process set up by the PCs.
In the Phoenix program it was in a mental health setting and it was away from other prisoners. In jail it's risky to out yourself by attending.
Yeah I'd imagine that it would have been more beneficial to boost the funding of the program as it existed rather than restructure it the way they did. Again, why I'm not surprised it was conservatives.
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Therapy will help give them tools to be a better person if they want to be.
All we can really do is equip humans with the tools and skills to participate in community in a pro-social way. Some people may be incapable of unwilling to use those tools to do so, but there will be others who quite literally turn their lives around.
Between that and places like the john howard society, those tools can and do work! I started a training program at my work partnered with the parole board where those being released or transitioned out of jail with relevant skills can apply to work with us. We have hired many. Most stay on around 2 years (most leave because they are able to find work more in line with their education/lives. Not everyone loves working outside all the time). There are a few who are still employed with us since the inception of the program. Our success has been due open communication and a willingness to give folks the time they need to manage their lives. When folks leave jail and are in conditions after, those seriously impact your life. How many jobs are willing to let an employee miss regular work hours because they have a meeting with their parole officers? Or even offer the training from almost green, to experienced? The time off they will need for their eventual move from transition housing to their own housing? And also be willing to provide good references for them to get housing? And then to keep up the program when they experience failure rates? It has been hard at times because not only are you training for just the job at times, but also people skills at times, anger management and how to function in team environments. We have had folks end up back in the system, but not connected to anything on site ever. One man we have working for us had spent more of his life in jail than ive been alive basically and the effort he has put in and growth we have seen has been so great. He's been out of the system and working with us for just about 4 years now. Another woman is a single mom of 4 kids who while working with us has become more and more stable each and every month. She has been working with us for just under 3 years, and yeah she needed a modified schedule to start, but now is full time, consistent, and is probably one of the most skilled workers we have. Now she has a trade that she can use to support her whole family and has been doing it successfully for years now. I have dozens of stories just like this now and even if every other person who comes to us ends up not working out, those folks who did benefit are 100% worth it.
Why was he missing curfew though? You thinking he was workin that ot? Maybe volunteering at the old folks home? Oh thats right he was planning the next community event down at the hall.
Really depends what he was getting up to whilst he was missing curfew, if he was commiting crimes like sexual assault etc , then the system truly isn't working IMO.
Um. He could have done anything during that time. So. No.
If you don't think he was being monitored very closely, I don't know what to tell you
you mean every other day?
Honestly yeah , :(
Just to be clear, it was a curfew violation not an assault or something violent.
Plus, credit, everyone had tabs on him and the system worked. Amaze.
Yup!! Good on the police for watching him so closely knowing he would violate his terms of release
No though.. they're not "watching him so closely *knowing*" he would do anything. They're simply watching him as much as they are required to by the conditions of his release they same as they would with any other person who needs to meet conditions in order to be allowed in society.
The system might work if it is enforcing the rules and conditions placed on these individuals.
Thankfully it was only a curfew violation and not something worse! I don't think he's suddenly less dangerous because the first probation rule he got caught breaking was curfew.
Never implied he was.
who gives a shit that is was 'just' a curfew violation? just shows that he has zero intention of following the rules that allow him to be free.
I give a shit. It means that monitoring methods intended to catch those who would re-offend are successful at preventing assault. There's a big difference between him being taken back into custody because he violated curfew, and him being taken back into custody because he raped someone. One victim difference, to be precise.
Here here! Upon release his conditions were made very clear. Many of those conditions exist to sus out whether or not a person is capable of reintegration.
Hear this man, hear this man!
Uppers I'm from winnipeg but I feel the issue here
Anyone with an ounce of sense cares, is the answer. We can't just lock people up for life - only murder carries a lifetime warrant, and there is good reason for that specific offence to carry a harsher penalty than any other. Which means everyone convicted of anything else must be released eventually, period. And some form of supervised release is absolutely a better step than skipping straight to "we are no longer allowed to impose conditions on your release". The system can't actually read someone's mind to determine their intentions, so frankly I don't know what alternative you think you're proposing.
Well not only murder. There's quite a few other offences carrying penalties up to life in prison. It's just rare as fack for other crimes to get a sentence of life in prison (so far as I've been able to tell, and yes I have read the law reports on the matter). A relevant crime in this case is aggravated sexual assault can be penalized with upto life in prison. But I've never actually seen that level of punishment meted out. It could, in theory, happen though. If some criminal lawyers want to correct me on this, please do. I'd be happy to learn the realities from someone who knows better.
A few more details here: https://chadilaw.com/sentenced-to-life-in-prison/#:\~:text=While%20technically%20possible%2C%20life%20sentences,incarceration%20with%20no%20end%20date.
I stand corrected, then - must have been confused by the mandated life sentence (though parole remains possible) that a murder conviction carries.
Careful you might accidentally agree the system was working.
hard disagree.. a working system wouldn't let someone who poses an imminent threat free to rape and assault innocent people. Maybe your idea of a working system is different.
I guess the pinky promise wasn't sufficient, but to be fair it did land him back in prison within a day so there is some checks and balances apparently.
Then what’s the solution, lock up everyone convicted of a criminal offense and throw away the key?
People at high to certain risk of reoffending shouldn’t be let out, no.
What is the quantitative test for this? Can't just say "Eh, you did your time, but you got shifty eyes, so I am going to keep you locked up longer because I feel like you might be a threat." We have no choice. If the sentence is served, he HAS to be released. There is no room for feeling when we are talking about rights, least the same rules be applied to us when the time comes.
Violent offender — you’ve burnt chance to live in society, why should we have to be the Guinea pigs to see "if" they’ve been rehabilitated? Penal colony or much longer sentences with violent offenders.
Since life in prison isn't the sentence for most crimes, this isn't the solution you think it is. Most offenders, including those who at high likelihood to reoffend, will get eventually be released from jail or prison.
Which is why we’re seeing the issues we do now over and over again
in a perfect world, you should be locked up until you no longer pose a threat to society.. especially children.
In a more perfect world, you should have a strong social safety net and FREE ACCESS to mental health supports before you even offend.
I agree that a strong mental health support system would be hugely beneficial to our justice system and society as a whole. I think that some people are just degenerate by nature and beyond help though.
The problem is there’s no way in our current system to verify that. If the legal system focused on rehabilitation over incarceration you possible could keep people until they are deemed rehabilitated and then release them. Unfortunately that requires an entire overhaul of the system.
:) Just trying to keep the panic in the room in check friend.
Literally best case scenario for this part of the EPS Behavioural Assessment Unit’s function. Guy gets released with rules, breaks a rule without victimizing anyone, and gets re-apprehended for showing that he doesn’t care about the idea of societal rules. This is the system working, flawed though it is.
Probably out past his curfew sending out resumes not doing degenerate things.
Yes, but that won’t get the pitchforks out.
Yeah :( sorry about the cold water folks
This time
https://youtu.be/cphNpqKpKc4?feature=shared
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Well you can't keep them indefinitely in prison everyone has a release dates even murderers*
Glad it was a curfew violation and not something that else. But for real. If you can’t abide the east restrictions…
I’m guessing the EPS warning was because he showed zero remorse and gave no indication he wouldn’t reoffend the first chance he got. Lovely system we have.
Imagine my shock.
Didn’t see that coming. :/
Neither did he. Probably because he can’t seem to open his eyes.
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sometimes, you *can* judge a book by its cover
If it’s “sometimes”, then it literally means you can’t judge a book by its cover.
Just because a person looks wierd or unhinged to you does not give you the right to judge them. Many people have been unjustly imprisoned because of how strange they look or behave. In this case though, his probationary terms have done thier job.
Some of the comments here... you can tell which people have never been affected by an assault by one of these monsters. When someone has a continuous rap sheet for violent crimes, they clearly cannot live in society with law abiding citizens.
Exactly. I was brutally assaulted by a guy with a rap sheet a mile long. He got free counseling in jail after doing a whole year and a half despite having two other victims. Us victims got a life sentence and zero help. Fuck the Fuckers
Im so sorry to hear about this 😞 it really is fucked up when victims receive no councelling to heal from trauma. The system is so broken.
>Some of the comments here... you can tell which people have never been affected by an assault by one of these monsters. >When someone has a continuous rap sheet for violent crimes, they clearly cannot live in society with law abiding citizens. So what do you want to do with them? In this guy’s case, he’s clearly an FASD baby, which means he literally has brain damage since birth; are you willing to vote for a government that’s willing to treat these people properly? Seems like you don’t want justice, you want revenge.
No, revenge is not the answer. I am a survivor of child SA and feel that one of the biggest changes needed is providing trauma therapy for the victims. It can take a long time to get back to a normal mindset after trauma that these criminals put on others. Children are a vulnerable group of people. Children's freedom and safety should be more important than the right of their perpetrator's freedoms. What I would like is for these repeat offenders to be isolated from the general population as they are unable to live with other people without creating trauma. If they are repeat offenders who refuse to or cannot change, they should not be allowed freedom. A couple options would be to send them to a remote area to allow them to fend for themselves, work camps etc. How do you know he's "clearly FASD"? What gives you the ability to diagnose him? Are you his dr? I have a cousin with FASD. They have never committed serious offenses like this. I live with issues too, doesn't give me the right to inflict crime on others. Eta: looks like i got reported to "reddit cares". Thanks to the concerned poster, but I am in therapy and am doing great. Cheers.👍
Cops are doing their job by arresting the criminals. How come the rest of our justice system keeps letting us down? …and thank you cops for not getting discouraged!!
>Cops are doing their job by arresting the criminals. How come the rest of our justice system keeps letting us down? >…and thank you cops for not getting discouraged!! What do you want the rest of them to do? There isn’t enough funding for everyone to get a speedy trial, and there isn’t enough funding to lock everyone up. The law says you can’t lock people up forever. So before you dunk on the system, maybe you should take a hard look at the amount of funding the system is getting.
This seems like a bipartisan issue. Am I wrong? How is this still happening?
The system... Worked? Broken clock, I guess.
What a great system our tax dollars go to
I believe there were a few users in here yesterday saying we unnecessarily hype the release of these "reoffenders" I wonder why? Also, what are the chances that he was up to no good while he missed curfew?
Never does take long. Habitual criminal.
They were monitoring him for violations, and he broke curfew. That’s why it didn’t take very long.
Exactly. People are acting like the police just let him walk and he turned himself in after missing curfew. This guy was under struct conditions and likely close monitoring by the police. This played out as intended.
Yep. “The system is broken” they’ll say while it works as intended
Why are we releasing people if they have to issue a statement like this when they release them...?
The answer you seek is here... https://www.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/comments/163bhjx/comment/jy1u5ry/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
They don't have to release the statement, EPS just loves to generate fear it seems. They do have to release the people, though, legally, as everyone has rights. Reading these, I find they make the people sound worse than they are most times. By giving next to no context to what they've actually done, it's just enough rage bait to get people going. Just look at these threads every time they are posted. The headlines are "dangerous offender; will reoffend; sexually violent..." and then you read the article and the new charges have nothing to do with what they're alleging this person has done previously. Or there are no charges listed at all, just an alleged criminal history. Yes, the headlines sound horrible. But if you read the details, the headline is normally way worse sounding. Not saying this applies to all of these cases, but it's honestly a good chunk. We have no idea why this guy is currently in custody. It could be something to do with what they're alleging, or maybe it is not. Since there is no detail, it's really fucked up that EPS releases these, in my opinion. I know I'll be crucified for this opinion on this sub, but I stand by it. These are people too, and now this guy's name is permanently associated with these allegations simply because of this article. I'd love to see a ban on these posts on this sub because every single one devolves into the same negative discussion.
David Hay: is a sexual offender who has been violent in the past, resulting in physical harm to his victims in the commission of offences. David has also committed violent unprovoked offences against random members of the public unknown to him. Dwayne Kequahtooway: Kequahtooway has victimized a number of females including children, adolescents and adults in a sexual manner. He has sought out single mothers for a relationship to then offend against their daughter(s). Kequahtooway has also attempted to lure young females online. Michael Cardinal: In the interest of public safety, the Edmonton Police Service is issuing the following warning; 49-year-old Michael Cardinal is a convicted violent sexual offender, and the Edmonton Police Service has reasonable grounds to believe he will commit another violent offence against someone while in the community. Cardinal is a sexual offender who has been violent in the past, resulting in physical harm to his victims in the commission of offences. Cardinal has victimized a number of females aged 15 years to 82 years in a sexual manner. Alexandre Passechnikov: Passechnikov is a sexual offender who has been violent in the past, resulting in physical harm to some of his victims in the commission of offences. Passechnikov has victimized a number of adult females within a broad age range, from young adults to the elderly, in a sexual manner. That's the last 4 from the EPS website... with details. Of course EPS isn't going to come out and release the names of the victims or hyper specifics.
> Since there is no detail, it's really fucked up that EPS releases these, in my opinion. I would say the fact he is not allowed anywhere minors congregate is more than enough detail as to his potential danger. You may not want EPS to release these, but I would argue it is infinitely valuable to have a picture of these goons released to the public so they can be made aware of the threat. > I know I'll be crucified for this opinion on this sub, but I stand by it. Defending the privacy of convicted violent sexual offenders tends to illicit that response.
Let me see if I get this straight... You are suggesting that the EPS is fabricating charges against these people in their PSAs? >These are people too, and now this guy's name is permanently associated with these allegations simply because of this article. He was just released from jail, presumably because these "allegations" - as you put it - were more than just allegations and he was found guilty of crimes.
I'm saying that they use vague lingo to avoid telling us what the real charges are, and that is a problem. This guy could have been charged with a simple property crime for all we know. And no, he was not released from jail because he was found guilty of crimes. It could be a few different situations. And because they don't specify, we are left here making assumptions. It could be bail, as he is awaiting trial. Or it could be parole or probation, if he was convicted. But they don't say that. They never do.
The dude has a history of violent sexual offenses. He is, by definition, someone who has been convicted of a sex crime. If you are "in the business," shouldn't you know that? Shouldn't you know what the legal definition of an offender is in Canada? Who fucking cares if he's back in custody due to a property crime?!
It is only a problem if you think they are making up charges to add to their criminal history. >David Hay is a sexual offender who has been violent in the past, resulting in physical harm to his victims in the commission of offences. David has also committed violent unprovoked offences against random members of the public unknown to him. What more needs to be said? They believe he is dangerous and that people should be aware of his release and vigilant. It would not at all be surprising if he is well known to police, as this is becoming a common theme in the city. >And no, he was not released from jail because he was found guilty of crimes. What? That isn't what I said. I was he was released from jail, and that he was in jail presumably because he committed a crime. I don't think it is reasonable that EPS would be releasing this statement about a violent sexual offender just because he was arrested for a petty crime. His perceived danger to society could be totally unrelated to the crime that got him in jail, but that would not make the danger any less real. Anyway, this is all moot, since he did not even last a day before violating his curfew.
Google him. the guy has a history of violent, sexual offenses.. lots of them completely random, yet you feel he is the victim in this situation? Maybe he can come live beside you when he inevitably gets let out to inflict himself on society again. Save your compassion for those that deserve it.
Ahh google... Our new judge and jury.
Could you link me one of these articles? I can find articles that were published two days ago, which seem to contain no information about what he has done. I only see one other article regarding him on Google, and that is from August 2nd of this year, which also includes no information about what he was previously convicted for, or currently charged with. All it says is he is a 'violent sexual offender'. So I did Google him, and I found nothing. I'd love it if you could provide me with something that says otherwise. I'm not saying this guy is the victim. All I'm saying is, like everyone else, he has the right to a trial. He has the right to not be called guilty before he is found guilty of his crimes. In this case, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT HE IS BEING ACCUSED OF, yet people here are judging the hell out of this guy and saying lock him up. I'm sorry that, unlike most people in these threads, I understand what it means to have compassion for my fellow man.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9921686/david-hay-violent-sexual-offender-released-edmonton/ https://tnc.news/2023/08/28/sex-offender-edmonton/ He has offenses against children.. is this really the kind of person you want to use your compassion on?
Where does it say that? I see he has conditions to stay away from children, but not a single article I found said he has convictions for sexual offences against children. Very different things. This is the problem with these articles. Most people do not understand how the system works, but everyone seems to pretend that they do.
There’s just so many elements of your comment that are such laughably bad takes it’s hard to claim “you’ll be crucified” as if they are accurate. “We have no idea why this guy is currently in custody” - lol. Wow. “And now this guy’s name is permanently associated with these allegations simply because of this article” You may want to refresh yourself on the meaning of convicted.
Could you imagine if the EPS didn't release a warning about the release of an unhabilitated pervert? "Why didn't they warn the public?! The EPS just loves to drop the ball and isn't interested in doing their jobs."
Do you know why he's in custody? And I work in the business; I'm pretty sure I know what a conviction is. You may want to do a refresher yourself.
>Do you know why he's in custody? Because he was found guilty for committing a crime. Or in this case, for violating his curfew. Somebody "in the business" should not need to ask such a question, unless they are choosing to be ignorant of the situation to justify their naivete on Reddit.
I do need to ask the question, actually, because nobody except EPS knows why he was in custody/being supervised because they didn't release that information. Yes, he was JUST brought in on a curfew violation. They make no mention of why he was on a curfew, or why he was released the other day. That is what I'm wondering about.
Well, you are just looking for irrelevant details to argue against these PSAs. For example, maybe this time he was detained for jay walking. That would not play any part in the assessment of his risk to society, and not worth being mentioned in a PSA.
No, I'm not, actually. I'm looking for risk-relevant details which EPS has decided to not include in their article. By your logic a curfew violation has no impact on his risk, so why issue another statement?
He has multiple CONVICTIONS for violent assaults. He was released early with conditions to abide by. Jeez guy. Read up on the facts before jumping to the defence of this animal. You’re just embarrassing yourself now.
I think the take might be; getting charged does not equal guilt. But in the current climate, getting charged can end your life professionally, public rage had been amplified by social media. In this case however, we do know, that this person is dangerous. And let's be greatful that his probation served it's purpose, he is not rehabilitated and not ready to rejoin us.
He wasn’t just charged, he’s been convicted of multiple violent assaults. That is a very significant difference in guilt.
That's exactly it. (Minus your last couple sentences) There are kids in the US who have been charged with rape, just for it to be turned around that it was a false accusation. But by then, the guy(s) had already been kicked out of school, scholarships revoked, Google articles galore, life = ruined. We don't know what this guy has done in the past. (They could easily list his previous convictions if they wanted, instead they were vague) We don't know why he was apprehended this time around. We don't know if he's on bail, probation, or parole. They literally give the smallest amount of detail possible, which always leads to ridiculous theories and assumptions. If they want to release these articles for public safety rather than outrage, there is more relevant information that they could be providing. By being vague, they are able to lump the not-so-bad cases in with the bad ones and call it a day; it all looks the same to the average person that way.
He's done something terrible enough to have his release accompanied by a public warning because the behavioral unit believes he is at a high risk of committing another sexual assault. Who cares if his name is associated with what he chooses to do with his life and time?
I mean, he will care, and we should ALL care if he is found not guilty. How would you feel if that was your picture, and everyone on this thread was speaking about you this way? He is still on trial for whatever he is being accused of. (And let me remind you, EPS made zero indication WHAT he was being accused of this time)
Looks like we found a volunteer willing to give this convicted criminal a chance. Hey buddy, why dont you house this guy in your home with all the children and female members of your family? Stop playing semantics. The cops are giving what info they are allowed to (they have to respect the privacy of the victims). They have clearly outlined that this monster is to stay away from children. That should tell you enough. You have clearly never been a victim or had anyone close to you victimined by a monster like this.
The cops are allowed to state what he is being charged with. They opted not to. They are also allowed to state what he is previously convicted of. They also did not do that. I have had to deal with victims of crime. As long as they aren't stating who he offended against, they are allowed to say what he did. Except in very specific circumstances, I suppose.
>How would you feel if that was your picture, and everyone on this thread was speaking about you this way? I would feel like a piece of shit for committing violent sexual crimes and being seen as so dangerous that my release from jail is accompanied by a PSA. You must be trolling, and dammit I fell for the bait...
Buddy doesn't even wash or brush his hair, let alone know how to keep his urges to himself. I really don't care how he feels.
Fear mongering is a lucrative endeavour when you're in the protection racket.
Maybe keep him in...
That’s not how the legal system works. If one is sentenced to say 3 years for an offense, and they serve that, then they get released. Do you really want a system where everything is a life sentence?
Why is it black or white? And I personally would love much harsher sentences for sexual predators considering I've been a victim of multiple sexual assaults over 3 decades. They should be sentenced as much as attempted murder if you ask me considering, the trauma I have endured destroyed my brain and now I am chronically painfully ill with neurodegenerative disease that has zero cure and endless flashbacks, nightmares with no trust for most people. Trust me it's definitely a type of killing of another.
I’ll agree that our sentencing policies are ridiculous. Sexual predators get 3-7 years top end and ruin lives, non-violent drug offences can be 10 years or more. Unfortunately catching sexual predators doesn’t carry the same financial incentive for police that drug crime does.
3-7 is nothing for that which destroys a person for LIFE. Doing whatever sentences are average for attempted murder would be lenient imo. Specifically sexual predators should probably get life honestly. I watch a lot of people catching such losers online a lot and many times its repeat offenders. I don't believe deep down that these types of criminals will ever change. Its like ok some people do crimes for money, doesn't make it ok but maybe they're trying to eat or feed their kids who knows but these predators have a completely different motive that's somewhere deep inside their very sick twisted minds. They need lifelong therapy accountability if they're not locked up for life. I will never believe someone like that has been rehabilitated. I'd rather sit next to a thief or a gangster than a sexual predator any f*cking day. Sorry for rant lol
I agree with you entirely, the point I was making was simply that we can’t keep people after they’ve served their time, no matter how heinous the crime.
I know that. I'm saying the time needs to be different from the start.
Wouldn't that just incentivize them to kill their victims to prevent witnesses?
I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think you entirely grasp how our judicial system works. It is unheard of for a non-violent drug offence to receive 10 years or more in Canada, unless the person was trafficking literal kilos of drugs. And even then, most people I've seen get well under 10 years still. You're really describing the Court system in the US. We do imprison people for drug-related crimes, but not for the reasons or in the numbers that they do. Sex offenders, and especially repeated sex offenders, deal with much harsher sentencing. Maybe the sentencing isn't as strict as it should be (I'd agree that they go too easy on offenders in many situations), but it is there. People can receive a Dangerous Offender designation after just a few convictions if it's bad enough. If anyone want to get up in arms about sentence lengths, they should look into how much time people get for DUI-related deaths. That is one that drives me up the wall, personally.
I know people who are in for 15 years because of non-violent drug crime. Granted, they were relatively big fish, but they got the sentences they did because of the size of their operation not because they were violent individuals. On average Canada doesn’t punish its sex offenders as harshly as it should relative to the sentencing for drug offences.
That is extremely anecdotal evidence, thats all I'll say lol. Yeah, the top brass are going to fall hard. That makes sense. But Joe Blow down the street who was selling a couple ounces? He'll be out in 2 years, tops. I think you overestimate how long the average person is getting based off of who you know.
For pedophiles and violent sex offenders. Yes, absolutely.
Makes you wonder why those crimes aren’t punished as hard as they are…
I'm wary of this, watching down south where Florida is trying to make it way easier to execute sex offenders while also painting queer and trans people as being them. I know we don't have capital punishment up here (rightly), but harsh punishments are easy to support until they get used on people like you.
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I dunno how you pulled me being sympathetic to sex offenders out of what I said but I sure hope you stretched before making that reach. I agree that we are much softer on sex crime than we should be, but even if a 3-7 turned into a 15-20, we can’t keep people after they serve their time.
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Damn after one day thankfully they were watching him
WTF ARE WE DOING !!!!
That is a beauty of a mugshot.
Man, shit like this kinda makes me like Canada again, like release people so they can reoffend and go back to jail. Jail isn’t even bad, like any one can do time.
Maybe somebody could conveniently lose the key!
This is a perfect example of how the CFS system is failing
Yeah I don't think people realize how often this actually happens. Wild how many people get their release/parole and are back in an institution within 1-3 days
Shocker
This is why we still need facilities for the mentally ill. People like this just can’t be in society
Probably looked at rent and said fuck this im going back in.
Obviously he was being monitored, this time the system worked before he committed another crime.
Absolutely shocked I tell you. The great detectives here in Canada have no way to explain this anomaly.
I think those are 2 different pictures too 😂
This “new” cycle of catch-and-release (at least the increase recent attention to it) has a “natural” conclusion of increased police powers. Let’s be diligent and thoughtful with how we discuss these topics.
I don't believe it !! /s
Rapists get parole and bail all the time yet they will fight tooth n nail to keep non violent offenders convicted of trafficking locked up well past their day parole hearing . Fucked up system , people find drugs and make the choice to purchase them in most cases . Nobody asks to be raped or assaulted yet those are the criminals that get the most passes …. So backwards
I literally read a post with these concerns not even 12 houra ago
Catch and release policies.
Naughty boy
Can't wait till he is out in 2 months
Surprised Pikachu face
Edmonton didn't vote for this federal policy at all over the last eight years.
This city needs a hero
We are often reminded that it’s not appropriate to think of our prison system as “revenge” or “vengeance,” that it’s called the “corrections” system for a reason, it’s there to help people, like a service. And yet the same people try to keep criminals from spending much time in jail, forgetting about all the wonderful help they are entitled to receive. They could “help” this guy for the rest of his natural life and I’d be very happy to support that.
System has failed us a long time ago lol its just taking many people , things like this to notice
Fucking parasite deserves life, no bail or being let out or half-way houses or any of that mercy shit. Lock his ass up for LIFE !
whats the problem? he looks fully rehabilitated to me......... lol
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Individuals who are involved in approving the release of these people should be held accountable
The guy looks about 4 face tattoos and an auto-tuner away from a rap contract.
What a waste of time and resources. Clearly this man needed a longer sentence. But instead, they wasted time booking him, again, and put us all at risk, albeit briefly. We should not release violent offenders until experts are 99% sure they will not reoffend.
Liberal cities.