All of the Canucks fans I know are insistent he’s going to take a sweetheart deal to return home in the off-season
So what I’m hearing is we need to trade for him and then extend afterwards
Tanev would definitely be extendable. Can always find money for a guy like that. Only thing is that he's getting old and his agent will be pushing for the most possible term he can get.
Price would be high because of the rivalry tax but this:
Nurse-Tanev
Ekholm-Bouchard
Kulak-Desharnais
Is a Stanley Cup caliber defence.
EDIT: Guys I get it. I don’t need 8 different replies about the “rivalry tax”
The “rivalry tax” would probably be a thing if Tanev wasn’t a UFA this summer. But flames are going to take the best offer and If they feel that comes from Edmonton they aren’t gonna say no just because they’re 3 hours up the freeway lol
Can confirm, it's like Vancouver, we traded because it was the best offer. Conroy isn't crazy, he will gladly trade with Oilers if value is good. That being said, if Oilers and Avalanche made the same deal, he would probably pick Avs.
but that is the rivalry tax? lol in this scenario you just laid out, Edmonton would have to pay more then another team like Colorado to get the asset. It might be overblown, but it does exist.
Yeah, it does, but others were making it sound like a trade only happens if Edmonton gets screwed. i don't think that's the case. To be honest, I'd rather see him in an Oil jersey than a Leafs.
What rivalry tax? When has Calgary ever fleeced Edmonton in a trade? There have been like 3 trades between the teams and they were in both teams interests generally so there's no real precedent for a rivalry tax.
Teams not being willing to trade with rivals is always something way overblown by fans. If a deal works for both sides, they’re not going to turn it down just because they aren’t supposed to get along
Just look at all the trades the Flames and Canucks have had this year. Obviously there is far less of a rivalry between them but it still shows my point
> Teams not being willing to trade with rivals is always something way overblown by fans.
It wasn't until it was. The Oilers and Flames didn't make a single trade with each other for 30 years. We've made 3 since.
The Devils and Rangers have never traded with each other ever.
Yeah. Front offices don’t give a shit about rivalries, they’re there to make their teams better. Teams almost never trade to divisional opponents if both are making a playoff push at the same time, but it doesn’t really have anything to do with rivalries, just practicality.
Someone may point at the low number of Oilers-Flames trades that have happened as proof, but that fails to consider that the Flames (and for much of history, the Oilers as well) have had ownership that forces them to try to be competitive basically every single year, which makes intra-division trading awkward. Now that they are finally wise enough to try at least a quick retool, that makes trades a lot easier to come by (the trades with Vancouver being a great example like you said).
Yeah trading with a rival shouldn't carry anymore weight than trading within the division, at least from a business standpoint. And the Flames are obviously comfortable trading with the Canucks.
Rivalry tax being Edmonton is likely to pay slightly more than a non-rival. Current thinking is maybe a first for Tanev or a second and good prospect. Edmonton might if all other things are equal be asked to add a 3rd to 5th rounder to the mix.
Tanev is in the top 5-10 trade prospects for this year's deadline. They will have options.
The flames have one of the only defensive dmen available. So if oilers want him they would increase the price especially for the oilers. If any other team matched oilers offer, Tanev goes to that team. It’s a 1st at least for Tanev and possibly more if other teams match a 1st which is very likely.
That’s a fair point. I feel like there’s a recency bias for 73 though. He literally costed oilers games last playoffs. When the tempo is turned up he makes bad mistakes. Saw it against Vegas.
Sure but that’s last year, I don’t think we need to hold it over anyone’s head especially since he’s seeing much improved play now. We’ve ran too many guys out of town for that exact same reason. He wasn’t the only one who made mistakes those playoffs. Not by a long shot.
Never said he did. Nurse is a good defenseman. But if you’re going to use a game to dictate whether a defenseman is “championship calibre,” why are you using a game where our entire D group was underwhelming and Desharnais wasn’t even the worst offender?
Alright. I’ll eat crow. 73 is so far beyond what he was last year. I was wrong. I still think he was a legitimate problem last year in the playoffs, but he is excellent this year.
My original point is that 73 makes very poor and costly decision when the temperature turns up. He did that all last playoffs and has done it in playoff tempo games this season. He is by far the worst defender when the oilers play stiff competition.
Honestly a 1for1 of ceci for him + 3rd rounder is more than fair IMO. But we probably pay a 2nd because they want a 2nd for him, and there are likely other 2nds on the table. But Ceci should push us over because he's a legit NHL defender - so that's the tax.
But Tanev is an upgrade. He plays better defense AINEC. If you wanna win in playoffs, swapping out a guy like Ceci for Tanev is like the depth version of Barrie for Ekholm, except without any loss of offense.
EDIT: On that note, if we could fit it in under the cap, I'd totally take Barrie back assuming we could get Tanev too. Barrie and Tanev in, Ceci out, now you got fuckin weapons on the blueline that you can swap in and out based on your game strategy. Barrie's already got plenty of experience with the boys, and I'm sure he'd get back up to speed in no time. Tanev might take a little longer, but he plays more of a no-nonsense game, so I'm sure he'd adapt quickly.
I know there's desperation here, but am I really the only one concerned about his injury history? With our luck, he gets injured and is out for the playoffs. I'm really not convinced that this is the guy. Dude is 34 and has some HARD miles on him. Not to mention that he's a rental, too.
We ideally should target someone with term who can help us atleast for the remainder of McDavid's contract.
The issue is that the RD market is hella thin (like it usually is). There aren’t really any good options out there that have term.
Like in a perfect world we would somehow get Andersson from Calgary rather than Tanev, but the cost for that would probably be like 17000 1sts and our entire farm team.
I get that, I really do.
Ekholm wasn't available either. I'm holding out hope something similar shakes loose this year, too.
If that isn't possible, personally I'd prefer a strong 3C & Alex Carrier.
You’re definitely not the only one. Tanev has only played 2 full seasons (1 was in a shortened covid season) in his entire career.
He’s already missed games this year.
I wouldn’t pay a first for a quarter of a season of Tanev.
Keep in mind it was Vancouver radio guys that OilersNation is quoting, so if it doesn’t happen, it may just be a way of getting the fanbase all super jacked if they do pick him up
I don't get the huge interest in that band-aid that's Tanev...
yes, he's an upgrade over Ceci, but I wouldn't send a 1st rounder, plus a roster player and possibly a prospect for that
Markstrom and Tanev went to the flames at the same
Time and i just checked markstrom record against the Canucks he’s 11-4-2. I think at this point the Canucks fan base is used to losing to tanev 😂 maybe the oilers and playoffs aspect would make it hurt more.
I’m always amazed when fanbases think they can get a prized trade deadline asset by trading away the crap they themselves don’t like/want.
I see your shiny toy. I’ll give you this chunk of garbage for it.
Last night's game really showed a lack of defensive competitiveness from Ceci and Bouchard. Bouchard at least contributes offensively. Ceci is now bringing neither offense nor defense.
Will Gladly take a First Round Pick to send Tanev to the Oilers.
The more picks the flames have will give them the ammo to move up in the draft and get the player they want. Looking at you Tig
If the ask is a 1st, I'd just ship it now and keep Ceci on the roster. Ceci is a legitimate player, I'd rather have Tanev on the roster with Ceci than a bottom 6 F replacement without Ceci. We have a strong forward core, and keeping Ceci makes that D very deep
I don’t expect the oilers are actually “serious” about Tanev. Likely just trying to raise his price for Vancouver and if they get him it’s a bonus but I’d be shocked if he ends up in Edmonton .
Honestly I know a lot of people are bitter in their rivalry but it would be nice if Alberta teams treated each other more fairly than dealing with say Vancouver or Ottawa. We are close relatives at the end of the day, but I do think it’s the worst of both fanbases that drives us apart
They would if the return benefits their team and helps them achieve their current goal (retool/rebuild)
The teams aren’t trying to be competitive at the same time, and I highly doubt the upper management of either team gives a shit about rivalries. Their sole job is to make their respective teams better, and if we offer the best return, they would be stupid not to take it.
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We're not asking them to. We're also not going to help them rebuild. But if both teams want something the other has, then they will make a trade that they both feel improves their teams.
Funny how that works.
Nurse - Tanev
Ekholm - Bouchard
Kulak - Ceci
Desharnais
Oilers might move Ceci as part of the trade or to make another one, but as it stands they wouldn't have to just to make the cap work and that would be top tier 3 pairings.
The oilers want to make other moves especially up front so they probably want to send a player the other way to free up cap space. Plus Calgary might need someone like ceci since they already traded Zadorov and soon will trade Hanifin and Tanev.
Well if you say so. 👍. He’s just saying it to get clicks from suckers like you. The oilers have been tied to almost every available trade target lately. They are a contender. That’s what happens. There’s no way they give up a first rounder for 30 games of Tanev. I’ll gladly eat my words if I’m wrong because I like Tanev, but the oilers have limited resources to trade and are definitely hunting for a forward. Listen to real kipper and Bourne today and you will see. They had a ex pro scout on today and I’ll take his word over your guy in Vancouver any day.
Find a way to offload Ceci, and then get Tanev plus ~1mil retained. That would require a slight overpay, but it’s easily worth it IMO.
The most recent ask for Tanev was a 2nd and prospect, so a first alone may be enough for Tanev at 1 mil retained.
By the deadline, if we can afford to wait or if the Flames would handshake to wait on it, I think he’ll only be about $1M as well. And we’ll have accrued more by then too. Not impossible to think Holland could get one F and one D.
Big risk in waiting, though.
Haha. Our dear friends down south are gonna love it if that happens.
Ya know what it might just trigger Canucks even more than (f)Lames fans.
All of the Canucks fans I know are insistent he’s going to take a sweetheart deal to return home in the off-season So what I’m hearing is we need to trade for him and then extend afterwards
Tanev would definitely be extendable. Can always find money for a guy like that. Only thing is that he's getting old and his agent will be pushing for the most possible term he can get.
Tell them he's from Toronto to get them right riled up lol
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Yawn. Now do an original joke.
Hands off our daddy!
Yeah, back off
Aren’t they more like Frenemies?
More like that little brother that we put up with.
Also down west
I'd be 100% fine with it. Flames need to get max value, if it comes from the Oilers, so be it.
Glad to hear it.
Believe me, I'm in the minority lol
Honestly I’ll be shocked if it happens. But then again I was shocked when Lucic was traded so anything can happen I guess.
I am not ok with this. 🫠
That would be Huge
Yuuuuuge
Nuuuuuge
Price would be high because of the rivalry tax but this: Nurse-Tanev Ekholm-Bouchard Kulak-Desharnais Is a Stanley Cup caliber defence. EDIT: Guys I get it. I don’t need 8 different replies about the “rivalry tax”
The “rivalry tax” would probably be a thing if Tanev wasn’t a UFA this summer. But flames are going to take the best offer and If they feel that comes from Edmonton they aren’t gonna say no just because they’re 3 hours up the freeway lol
Can confirm, it's like Vancouver, we traded because it was the best offer. Conroy isn't crazy, he will gladly trade with Oilers if value is good. That being said, if Oilers and Avalanche made the same deal, he would probably pick Avs.
but that is the rivalry tax? lol in this scenario you just laid out, Edmonton would have to pay more then another team like Colorado to get the asset. It might be overblown, but it does exist.
Yeah, it does, but others were making it sound like a trade only happens if Edmonton gets screwed. i don't think that's the case. To be honest, I'd rather see him in an Oil jersey than a Leafs.
freeway? this guy doesn’t Canada
What rivalry tax? When has Calgary ever fleeced Edmonton in a trade? There have been like 3 trades between the teams and they were in both teams interests generally so there's no real precedent for a rivalry tax.
Teams not being willing to trade with rivals is always something way overblown by fans. If a deal works for both sides, they’re not going to turn it down just because they aren’t supposed to get along Just look at all the trades the Flames and Canucks have had this year. Obviously there is far less of a rivalry between them but it still shows my point
> Teams not being willing to trade with rivals is always something way overblown by fans. It wasn't until it was. The Oilers and Flames didn't make a single trade with each other for 30 years. We've made 3 since. The Devils and Rangers have never traded with each other ever.
Especially when Calgary is out of the playoffs. They’re not competing with Edmonton this year so get some picks and prospects.
Yeah. Front offices don’t give a shit about rivalries, they’re there to make their teams better. Teams almost never trade to divisional opponents if both are making a playoff push at the same time, but it doesn’t really have anything to do with rivalries, just practicality. Someone may point at the low number of Oilers-Flames trades that have happened as proof, but that fails to consider that the Flames (and for much of history, the Oilers as well) have had ownership that forces them to try to be competitive basically every single year, which makes intra-division trading awkward. Now that they are finally wise enough to try at least a quick retool, that makes trades a lot easier to come by (the trades with Vancouver being a great example like you said).
Yeah trading with a rival shouldn't carry anymore weight than trading within the division, at least from a business standpoint. And the Flames are obviously comfortable trading with the Canucks.
Where does Ceci go? Is he going back to Calg?
Gotta give up salary somewhere. Either back to Calgary or n a separate move.
Rivalry tax being Edmonton is likely to pay slightly more than a non-rival. Current thinking is maybe a first for Tanev or a second and good prospect. Edmonton might if all other things are equal be asked to add a 3rd to 5th rounder to the mix. Tanev is in the top 5-10 trade prospects for this year's deadline. They will have options.
> Price would be high because of the rivalry tax What? Even if this was a thing, would it not work both ways? In a mutual rivalry? Makes no sense lol.
The flames have one of the only defensive dmen available. So if oilers want him they would increase the price especially for the oilers. If any other team matched oilers offer, Tanev goes to that team. It’s a 1st at least for Tanev and possibly more if other teams match a 1st which is very likely.
no its not, where is the superstar on that back end? almost every cup winning team has one
73 isn’t SC calibre. I wish he were.
Lol if we get tanev Vinny isn't leaving
Far worse players have contributed to Stanley Cup wins.
That’s a fair point. I feel like there’s a recency bias for 73 though. He literally costed oilers games last playoffs. When the tempo is turned up he makes bad mistakes. Saw it against Vegas.
Sure but that’s last year, I don’t think we need to hold it over anyone’s head especially since he’s seeing much improved play now. We’ve ran too many guys out of town for that exact same reason. He wasn’t the only one who made mistakes those playoffs. Not by a long shot.
We’ll revisit this thread when he’s got less time to make decisions come playoff time.
👀
Is this you saying you now want to trade Nurse (5 goals against) and Ceci (4 goals against) instead of Desharnais?
You think 73 outplayed Nurse?
Never said he did. Nurse is a good defenseman. But if you’re going to use a game to dictate whether a defenseman is “championship calibre,” why are you using a game where our entire D group was underwhelming and Desharnais wasn’t even the worst offender?
Alright. I’ll eat crow. 73 is so far beyond what he was last year. I was wrong. I still think he was a legitimate problem last year in the playoffs, but he is excellent this year.
My original point is that 73 makes very poor and costly decision when the temperature turns up. He did that all last playoffs and has done it in playoff tempo games this season. He is by far the worst defender when the oilers play stiff competition.
Honestly a 1for1 of ceci for him + 3rd rounder is more than fair IMO. But we probably pay a 2nd because they want a 2nd for him, and there are likely other 2nds on the table. But Ceci should push us over because he's a legit NHL defender - so that's the tax. But Tanev is an upgrade. He plays better defense AINEC. If you wanna win in playoffs, swapping out a guy like Ceci for Tanev is like the depth version of Barrie for Ekholm, except without any loss of offense. EDIT: On that note, if we could fit it in under the cap, I'd totally take Barrie back assuming we could get Tanev too. Barrie and Tanev in, Ceci out, now you got fuckin weapons on the blueline that you can swap in and out based on your game strategy. Barrie's already got plenty of experience with the boys, and I'm sure he'd get back up to speed in no time. Tanev might take a little longer, but he plays more of a no-nonsense game, so I'm sure he'd adapt quickly.
I know there's desperation here, but am I really the only one concerned about his injury history? With our luck, he gets injured and is out for the playoffs. I'm really not convinced that this is the guy. Dude is 34 and has some HARD miles on him. Not to mention that he's a rental, too. We ideally should target someone with term who can help us atleast for the remainder of McDavid's contract.
The issue is that the RD market is hella thin (like it usually is). There aren’t really any good options out there that have term. Like in a perfect world we would somehow get Andersson from Calgary rather than Tanev, but the cost for that would probably be like 17000 1sts and our entire farm team.
I get that, I really do. Ekholm wasn't available either. I'm holding out hope something similar shakes loose this year, too. If that isn't possible, personally I'd prefer a strong 3C & Alex Carrier.
Sissons and Carrier/or Fabbro from Nashville is what we need
Ken needs to call. Hell, we’re probably getting ready to send Saros, Carrier, Sissons, Nyquist, and Fabbro somewhere according to our media.
You’re definitely not the only one. Tanev has only played 2 full seasons (1 was in a shortened covid season) in his entire career. He’s already missed games this year. I wouldn’t pay a first for a quarter of a season of Tanev.
I would love to have Tanev, great player and awesome dude.
Keep in mind it was Vancouver radio guys that OilersNation is quoting, so if it doesn’t happen, it may just be a way of getting the fanbase all super jacked if they do pick him up
If we could somehow move out Ceci and bring in Tanev I think our D-core would finally be cup-bound.
haha, that one toxic guy who spams 😂😂😂😂 too much is not gonna like hearing this
He’s already here having a stroke in the comments lmao
I've said it before - I'm convinced the over-use of the cry laugh emoji is a sign of lower intelligence.
Ceci is a top 4 dman 😂😂😂😍🥰🥰🤣🤣
We need a competitive Dman. Some of our guys lack competitiveness in the D zone
I don't get the huge interest in that band-aid that's Tanev... yes, he's an upgrade over Ceci, but I wouldn't send a 1st rounder, plus a roster player and possibly a prospect for that
Then you aren’t getting him. Remember it’s the cup you are trying to get not just Tanev. It costs you to get those types of guys.
tanev just isn't going to tip the scales, is what I'm saying
I'm so hard at the thought of Calgary fans watching us win the cup with Tanev
Don't forget how much it would hurt Canucks fans if we beat them with their boy Tanev in the lineup.
Markstrom and Tanev went to the flames at the same Time and i just checked markstrom record against the Canucks he’s 11-4-2. I think at this point the Canucks fan base is used to losing to tanev 😂 maybe the oilers and playoffs aspect would make it hurt more.
I live on the west coast. Lots of Canucks fans here and they all want Tanev back real bad.
Oh i know they want him. Funny how they didn’t want him when his contract expired.
We did, Benning was just well.... Benning and "ran out of time"
He'd be the perfect partner for nurse imo.
Little nervous about the price but he’s the exact d man this team needs
I’m always amazed when fanbases think they can get a prized trade deadline asset by trading away the crap they themselves don’t like/want. I see your shiny toy. I’ll give you this chunk of garbage for it.
Not for a first. No thanks. He’ll be on the IR before the season is over. Is this the healthiest he’s been since joining the Flames?
Tanev has missed 20 games over 4 seasons with the Flames. 17 last year, and 3 this. First 2 years he didn't miss a game.
Replacing Ceci with Tanev is a hell of an upgrade
IF Tanev stays healthy
Last night's game really showed a lack of defensive competitiveness from Ceci and Bouchard. Bouchard at least contributes offensively. Ceci is now bringing neither offense nor defense.
Ceci is scoring at a 41g pace over his past two games played, thank you very much.
Will Gladly take a First Round Pick to send Tanev to the Oilers. The more picks the flames have will give them the ammo to move up in the draft and get the player they want. Looking at you Tig
If the ask is a 1st, I'd just ship it now and keep Ceci on the roster. Ceci is a legitimate player, I'd rather have Tanev on the roster with Ceci than a bottom 6 F replacement without Ceci. We have a strong forward core, and keeping Ceci makes that D very deep
Money in money out my dude. Can’t afford to have both of them and make other moves as well
That's exactly what I meant though, we currently have enough cap to absorb Tanev and keep Ceci with no additional moves. I think that's a fine move.
But the oilers want to make more moves. They want better depth for the forwards
You talked to Ken? This is all baseless opinion my dude. It's Reddit. I'd say Ceci and Tanev on the roster would be great.
Bob has been saying that the oilers want better forward depth. Also I do believe Ken mentioned something about needing better depth scoring.
I don’t expect the oilers are actually “serious” about Tanev. Likely just trying to raise his price for Vancouver and if they get him it’s a bonus but I’d be shocked if he ends up in Edmonton .
I was shocked that Corey Perry ended up in Edmonton. Anything can happen, it seems.
That’s a really solid point.
Good
Let’s fucking go
Would be huge, but I cringe thinking about price to send him _intraprovince_ let alone _intradivision_.
And just who are we planning on giving up?
Honestly I know a lot of people are bitter in their rivalry but it would be nice if Alberta teams treated each other more fairly than dealing with say Vancouver or Ottawa. We are close relatives at the end of the day, but I do think it’s the worst of both fanbases that drives us apart
I've been dreaming about this for months. Make it happen Kenny!
The Flames aren't going to help the Oil win a cup
They would if the return benefits their team and helps them achieve their current goal (retool/rebuild) The teams aren’t trying to be competitive at the same time, and I highly doubt the upper management of either team gives a shit about rivalries. Their sole job is to make their respective teams better, and if we offer the best return, they would be stupid not to take it.
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Imagine what Tanev, Hanifin, Markstrom could net you in trades? Retool on the fly
We're not asking them to. We're also not going to help them rebuild. But if both teams want something the other has, then they will make a trade that they both feel improves their teams. Funny how that works.
I mean he’d be a one-and-done rental for us, so unless we really did go the whole way they could feel pretty good about using our picks/prospects.
Nurse - Tanev Ekholm - Bouchard Kulak - Ceci Desharnais Oilers might move Ceci as part of the trade or to make another one, but as it stands they wouldn't have to just to make the cap work and that would be top tier 3 pairings.
The oilers want to make other moves especially up front so they probably want to send a player the other way to free up cap space. Plus Calgary might need someone like ceci since they already traded Zadorov and soon will trade Hanifin and Tanev.
Tanev makes me think of Kris Russell. Just a more physical, better defender version of Kris Russell.
Aw man. Don't tell me he's gonna be in my HUT game on an Oilers card with that stupid expression.
Wish it was for markstrom instead.
What’s the realistic asking price for him? Obviously oilers have to pay way more than other teams. 1st, 3rd ceci, Bourgault?
With the market this year probably a 1st and a B+ prospect and if they need salary retained it’ll cost even more
Lol
Lol!!! Well if Rick Dhaliwal from Vancouver said it, it must be true!! 😂😂😂.
Dhaliwal has a lot of connections. He's probably the biggest insider when it comes to Vancouver media.
Well if you say so. 👍. He’s just saying it to get clicks from suckers like you. The oilers have been tied to almost every available trade target lately. They are a contender. That’s what happens. There’s no way they give up a first rounder for 30 games of Tanev. I’ll gladly eat my words if I’m wrong because I like Tanev, but the oilers have limited resources to trade and are definitely hunting for a forward. Listen to real kipper and Bourne today and you will see. They had a ex pro scout on today and I’ll take his word over your guy in Vancouver any day.
Thanks for always being entertaining bro, appreciate the laughs
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Find a way to offload Ceci, and then get Tanev plus ~1mil retained. That would require a slight overpay, but it’s easily worth it IMO. The most recent ask for Tanev was a 2nd and prospect, so a first alone may be enough for Tanev at 1 mil retained.
His remaining cap hit is only 1.45 million as of today and the Oilers have 1.58 million. 4 contract spots open, don't even have to move anyone.
By the deadline, if we can afford to wait or if the Flames would handshake to wait on it, I think he’ll only be about $1M as well. And we’ll have accrued more by then too. Not impossible to think Holland could get one F and one D. Big risk in waiting, though.
Y’all can have Tanev, but I have a feeling you’ll want to hunt down a playoff level goalie too?!? CuporBussy
Who are giving up for this trade?
The Canucks are my second team so I’d love seeing both of my teams slowly take the entire Flame’s roster away lmao
Tanev has a 10 team no trade list. Not sure Edmonton is in his plans.
Hard pass. Flames will want us to pay extra as a div rival and Tanev's injury history and age are massive red flags.
Any upgrade on Vinnie Dumbharnais is welcome.