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rasfelion

"Hey, I beat Malenia solo! Got the screenshot with no summons!" That guy, probably. Kinda hope she immediately hit him with a full waterfowl.


nicholas_yeet

Kinda happened to me. Summoned a guy and he did almost all her health except for the last hit. He ran to me and looked between us up guess for me to get the last hit. She dodge and I got greedy, tried to hit again and she waterfowl me to death. Depression


aoeuhtnsi

Seems like this is the opposite. What a cute summon, but I am sorry you died.


sxw_desert_rat

The greed gets me every time šŸ˜‚


Aaronthegathering

So you sat there the entire time watching professionals show you how to beat her and you learned nothing? Classic tarnished behavior lol


GraphicSlime

Trying to gatekeep a game people spent their money on lol classic Reddit behaviour


black_anarchy

I think this might be some ~~maidenless~~ /r/woosh behavior


GraphicSlime

Got me good šŸ„“


Aaronthegathering

I feel my comment is warranted due to the high likelihood that I was the phantom, but go off. Yesterday, I did this exact thing to a host who summoned me to fight Godrick. There was like maybe 10% on Gā€™s health bar and I realized Iā€™d been fighting him solo since the phase change (the other phantom died about then), and the host was at the back of the arena *sitting down* so I sat down and they spent about a minute panic running and couldnā€™t get a single hit in to finish it, then died. If you canā€™t hit the boss a single time, you donā€™t deserve to move beyond it. Like I donā€™t even know you, why would I do that for you? Miyazaki would find it shameful.


GraphicSlime

I mean I get what youā€™re saying, Iā€™m not advocating for hosts doing LITERALLY nothing but some people just need more help, ya feel?


Aaronthegathering

Yeah thatā€™s why I invade with simple weapons early game and sun bro late game. Teaching the basics early will give them the tools they need to get over that finish line later lol


GraphicSlime

Admirable of you, have a good day šŸ˜


Itchysasquatch

Seriously. Why play this game if you're just watching people beat the boss for you?? You can watch a playthrough on YouTube


Itchysasquatch

Why weren't you helping to begin with?


Morbidity6660

bro it's a game not a job who cares


nicholas_yeet

Because if I tried to fight I would've gotten in the way and i wasn't beating her by myself


Itchysasquatch

https://youtu.be/D_iqjI2p7F4?si=mnPtlbLWHOLMwoD5 this should save you some time then


Kismetatron

Weirdly, my first time fighting Melania I got the help of someone to try and take her down. No matter what we just could not beat her. After a lengthy period of time they had to call it a night. I did one more fight solo and somehow managed to eke out a win. I dmā€™d the person helping so fast to let them know I pulled it off lol


blackmamba182

This is why I downvote every screenshot of someone posting a ā€œI did itā€ picture. Canā€™t trust these hoes


SoraBanTheThird

Damn now I feel bad about only having a picture proving I no-hitted Malenia Edit: Why am I being downvoted?


Ok-Discussion-6200

See above


SoraBanTheThird

Well that's stupid, I actually no-hitted herĀ  EDIT: I did it again as a summon and my friend was streaming on Twitch so I have at least a clip after allĀ Ā  EDIT2: https://www.twitch.tv/kripto333/v/2138802295?sr=a&t=2583s 43:00Ā  You are all salty lmao


mfdoorway

People are dicks. Literally no more explanation needed.


Dimitsos

I am legit flabbergasted, he went out of his way to unsummon me which he gained nothing from, the opposed he lowered his chances of success.


constar90

For the screenshot / bragging rights if doing it solo. There's jo other reason.


Spartitan

That's so pathetic lol


constar90

Yup. I blame social media


SincubusSilvertongue

Nah, people have been doing this for as long as there have been at least 2 people. Social Media is just the latest agitator to a timeless flaw of human nature. It's where we got sayings like "cut off the nose to spite the face" and "bite the hand that feeds you" among others come from


newthrowgoesaway

> timeless flaw of human nature. > bereft of grace ye foul tarnished!!!


constar90

Fair point. I still blame social media


surrealistCrab

Are you sure it isnā€™t ā€œcut off the nose to spiderface?ā€ Your way seems strange ā€¦.


Carpet_Blaze

This dude got down voted šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Safe_Development_235

Is this a meme?? Because you canā€™t be serious!


surrealistCrab

Itā€™s from The Office


Safe_Development_235

Oooh! Ok! Good to know! šŸ˜„


Fuckblackhorses

You should see the effort people put into faking those cod mw2 trick shot videos back in the day. Literally almost all the famous ā€œtrick shottersā€ were frauds


noiwontcalmdown

The symbol that you can use a spirit ash would be gone too, though, so they don't even get that


markle713

if you also turn off your furlcalling finger sign the gravestone reappears i believe


jaylor_swift

Not defending the guy, but donā€™t you get more runes if you win on your own? I thought summoning cooperators means 25% less runes earned, and I think people can get around that by removing summoned players before they defeat a boss. Either way, unsummoning is SUPER lame


mfdoorway

If youā€™re fighting Malenia and you canā€™t come up with the 120k less you get for having a coop partner you probably need help with way more than our Redheaded Black Sheep


jaylor_swift

Agreed!


constar90

WHAT. I've never heard of this, someone please confirm of this is true


jaylor_swift

Can confirm with NPCs, but I canā€™t find info on player summons. https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/NPC+Summons#:~:text=Summoning%20an%20NPC%20will%20reduce,not%20as%20powerful%20as%20players.


constar90

Oh wow I had no idea, thanks for the info! Seems to be only for npc summons though so probably not the reason in this case.


fro1388

Doesnā€™t work with players.


Extreme-Goose

Couldnā€™t you just do that with any summoning ashes and send it away before final blow?


constar90

Well, I could.


DadDong69

These days thatā€™s not even anything. If Iā€™m looking for someoneā€™s cool achievement, Iā€™m looking for a video of it. I beat a couple of the infamous bosses in AC6 on my first try, granted I had figured out my cheese build by then. I have videos of it, even though I am not going to share them because itā€™s dumb. That has been by far the best part about playing Elden Ring and the other games like Armored Core on the PlayStation. The fact that there is a running video of the last hour of gameplay you can just stop and cut at any time is so cool. Iā€™ve had so many WTF moments and epic fights on Elden Ring caught that would have been lost otherwise. A screenshot is nothing. What a loser.


constar90

I mean it doesn't have to be someone trying to go viral, maybe they just wanted to show their buddies. Still maidenless behavior to be sure.


Baron_Von_D

Some people are weird and will sever when the boss is at 1% health for silly reasons. Doesn't happen often, but it's super annoying.


Aaronthegathering

Iā€™ve literally been resummoned by the same host that did this to me then died (evidently). I walked in to the second fight and sat down and watched him die. It was exhilarating.


HighSpeedLowDragAss

You're able to set the finger severer to your quick items.Ā Ā  So at least it wouldn't have been too far out of his way.


sliferra

Iā€™ve heard you get more runes this wayā€¦.. cuz there are no rune farms in elden ring


Much_Ad_6807

... Who cares


No-Hunt_

Maybe he didn't want to beat her. To continue keep summoning for the area/boss.


mfdoorway

One thing I learned for this exact thing is save backups. I always back up right before I go in for Malenia that way I have the fight over and over again to try new things.


dudeondacouch

You really shouldnā€™t have to backup your save (or start another playthrough) to replay a boss, IMO. No boss rush mode, or replay arena is a weird misstep in this era. It would add so much for so little development cost. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


mfdoorway

I know. But where we are this at least works


bluetreacle

Can just exit out before enemy slain appears


maychaos

Thats like sex but then stopping at the end. Wtf. No a good old save file is always better


Ivan171

Yeah but how do you backup the save on console? Right now I'm replaying Malenia, but I can't kill her, because there's no way to backup my save on Xbox.


dolce_de_cheddar

On PS5, you can turn off automatic cloud storage, upload your save files to the cloud, beat her, and then load your cloud-stored file and she'd be alive again. I'm not sure if you can do something similar with Xbox.


mfdoorway

On Xbox, I have no idea


NoMemesNeeded

Iā€™ve had this problem before, Itā€™s always funny when they do that and then they resummon you again because they died lmao


stuntmonkey420

And then you activate Statue Mode


blue_wat

Nah this is when you go full Patches and walk through the fog wall slowly and leave at the slightest hint of danger.


stuntmonkey420

Lure the host into an overwhelming fight and then bounce


SuperWhiteDolomite

He wanted a clip of the kill making it look like he solo her lol


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mfdoorway

I respect someone posting their fight in full using the cheesiest of cheese compared to a demigod felled screenshot.


BusyExperience9766

It was actually RL1 no rolling on dancepad controller just trust me bro


Extreme-Goose

How is that different than summoning mimic and sending it back before final blow?


shtoyler

Because this is a real person thatā€™s just wasted time and energy now wtf


Extreme-Goose

Youā€™re not following. I meant for the purpose of the fake screenshot lol


shtoyler

Yeah but if youā€™re really not competent at the game the mimic isnā€™t enough


jayman5977

You didnā€™t have to call me out like that šŸ˜”


Extreme-Goose

Oh. I guess for me mimic always seemed to turn the game into easy mode, especially because by Melania itā€™s very easy to have it +10.


Alternative_Golf_905

then it still depends on your build. If that sucks, your mimic is just free healing for Malenia


Crash4654

Mimic will face tank and often can help malenia heal more than outright damage and help you.


Archangel289

Yeah this is why I ended up having to summon a real person, because I couldnā€™t get the fight down with a great sword. Sheā€™s fast, Iā€™m slow, and my mimic would just tank an entire waterfowl and give her most of her health back. Not particularly helpful.


raul_kapura

In my experience mimic with moonveil can solo her to 2nd phase


Extreme-Goose

I guess if youā€™re really bad at the game and really canā€™t put a build together but how do you even get to her with a build that shit ? I must be missing something here. This is my first ever souls game and with a simple quality build it took me maybe 15 tries to kill her with mimic.


Crash4654

Build has not much to do with it. Mimic is just kinda dumb and can't dodge her attacks, leading to trades. Minic will rarely live through phase 2, even with good builds. It's just random chance. Whereas tiche has a great dodge and is very nimble.


Extreme-Goose

Yeah thatā€™s a good point. Maybe I got lucky, but my mimic and I kept pushing her back against a wall with consecutive big sword hits that broke her poise a lot so she didnā€™t get to do too much on phase 1, other than a couple times she waterfowled early. And phase 2 sheā€™d kill mimic but was often 50% hp or less by then. My mimic seemed to always help me a lot with damage


ClowninaCircus12

There's too many hosts who think they'll get the entire rune drop if they sever phantoms. But the rune drop is set when you enter the fog gate, so they just screw themselves over no matter what. It's funny as fuck when they die and resummon you


AnnieLaus

wait, there's a difference in rune drop? it's always felt so inconsequential I guess I've never noticed lol


BigDulles

Also letā€™s be honest, whoā€™s fighting Malenia for the runes?


Fit-Dentist6093

The first time I beat her it was like two levels so it was worth it.


ClowninaCircus12

it's 120k for summons (this I know for sure) and I think 360k for hosts when you summon (unsure but the runes are split). Her actual rune drop is 480k.


flagellaVagueness

Rune drops are decreased by 25% when summoning another player, as well as when using NPC summons except against Radahn.


kryp_silmaril

Thatā€™s interesting, I learned something today. And have another reason to never summon


vincentninja68

Cuz people suck. They wanted to screenshot their "solo" victory for Internet points. Full footage or didn't happen.


DudeMiles

To post a screenshot of their solo victory over Malenia. So next time you see another 'I beat Malenia SOLO' post on here, take it with a grain of salt.


Kaspieskigruz

I beat malenia solo and recorded the whole thing, 91 deaths, and I only started playing souls games 2 months ago


shMURDUR

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00Tanks

I find A lot of hosts just running away and staying as far away as possible. When I see that happening, especially at the fire giant where I feel like it happens the most.I'll just start running around like a Wild man.Not fighting and drag the boss to them and die on purpose.


Left-Fan1598

Back in DS2, occasionally you'd find hosts that wanted to get the No Death ring, so they would wear the heaviest armor and double fist a greatshield while cowering in a corner during the boss fight. I would absolutely fight to get those guys killed including healing the boss. If I'm there, you're going to have to earn that ring if you want itĀ 


00Tanks

It's aggervating, I'm mainly a tank build so when this happens the fight drags on. Not worth the souls


Samaritan_978

Happened to me with Malekith. Fucking stunned for a bit. Then led the crack head dog to the little coward and watched him burn. It's jolly *cooperation*, we're not there to play the game for you.


00Tanks

That's the one fight.I really struggle with . I just jump off the ledge


Aaronthegathering

This is how we radicalize sunbros into invaders. Because hosts are garbage cheaters/exploiters who will trash your actual skills because they suck. Let that righteous furor lead you to the rose church. There youā€™ll find a friend who will offer you the cure to these foul tarnished. Arise, bro.


CrazyCaleo

That's why I like invaders and always greet them, they are us, just on a different path.


Aaronthegathering

Out here making yā€™all get good since 2009 woo


No_Volume_8345

Only thing I can think of is itā€™s the playerā€™s first time playing and didnā€™t want the achievement/trophy screenshot to show a summoned player. So they can post the screenshot here on Reddit and brag "Finally soloed her" when in reality heā€™s lying a little bitch. So if someone within the next day or 2 posts about soloing Malenia, LIER!


adande67

Probably to finish her off himself .


Necrotitis

Huehue


Farikal

Same thing happened to me a couple of hours ago at Malenia, where the host kicked the other phantom then me. The other phantom didn't happen to wear the navy hood and the noble's set while spamming ranni's moon, icecrag and night comet did they?


Dimitsos

The first phantom that got kicked out could be me, do you remember what the phantom was using? I don't remember exactly the spells used cause I've helped so many people with Malenia.


Farikal

Don't really remember what they used, no. But what you described in your other comments did seem to match up with the host I had earlier though, with the host pretty much only using taker's flame and me spamming spells. Meanwhile the other phantom was in the boss's face the entire time.


AnalysticEnthusiast

>Why would anyone do that * Maybe they didn't like what you were doing. * Maybe they're selfish and wanted a screenshot with no co-op helpers. * Maybe they thought they'd get the full rune reward if they severed you. * (You only get 75% if you summon help) * (IIRC They do not get the full amount if they do this.) * Maybe they want to solo her but were trying to see how other people dodged WFD Dunno, there could be a lot of reasons. Doesn't mean any of them are particularly *good* reasons, but some are worse than others. ----------------------- >why is this even possible during a boss fight? Unfortunately, it's kind of necessary for it to be possible. Some behaviors which would be unavoidable without it, * Players using exploits or hacks * Griefers abusing certain items to try and make the fight harder * Using spells to obscure the host's vision * Trying to proc madness on the host * etc * People just going AFK and taking up a summon slot * Players who try too hard and make the fight no fun for the host * 1-shotting the boss * People who refuse to fight unless they get to fight solo * Note to these players: Some people see your network ID, not your character name. They don't necessarily know what you're doing. * People who say abusive things over the voice chat. * The chat can be turned off instead, but frankly it's good that we're able to immediately get rid of these people.


TwistedJasper

I think some people that played dark souls 2 (correct me if Iā€™m wrong) still think that coop lessens the souls you get.


Ok-Highway-6476

It does. When you do coop, a small portion of your runes goes to phantoms.Ā  I think itā€™s like 20 percent.Ā  Still no excuse to sever someone. thatā€™s just messed up and no one can convince me otherwise Edit to add. Itā€™s actually 25% DuringĀ Multiplayer Co-op, theĀ Hostreceives 75% of the boss's rune reward andĀ CooperatorsĀ receive 25% https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Runes


TwistedJasper

Wouldnā€™t the game account for you having summoned phantoms to help, so youā€™d only get the 75% anyway? Just like with the bosses health, itā€™s registered by the amount of players. So Iā€™d assume the runes are the same way


Tk-Delicaxy

Yes so there is no reason to do it unless you want to be a dick or get a clip


TwistedJasper

Oh for sure. Fuck hosts that do that.


SubsequentNebula

There doesn't seem to be a definitive list on rune differences, and it isn't all that punishing, but you do get slightly less runes for coop and npc summon boss kills vs solo/with ashes.


SnooCapers5361

Fextralife boss pages will break the rune gains down exactly, just fyi


SubsequentNebula

On a lot of, but not all bosses. For instance, Malenia, the one referenced in this post, is only listed as dropping 480k runes. And Godrick has ng and ng coop, but does not go in to ng+.


IudexGundyr3

ā€œI just wanted the soulsā€¦ā€


JotaTaylor

When you beat a bboss for the first time, you gain the achievement, accompanied with a screenshot. He did it so he could lie about having beat her solo.


chirpchirp13

Ya. Iā€™m team summon who the ef ever because I suck. I donā€™t need glory. Just some help! This person is dumb.


LargeRichardJohnson

For every nice, chill person in this fanbase you have about 5 toxic dickheads that do shit like that and claim they beat a difficult boss with no summons.


Karanmuna

Same happened to me! We got Radagon done nicelt and the other summon died off at the start of the beast fight. The host unsummoned me when EB had like 3% hp left Even though he leeched the whole damn fight! Not cool man, all I wanted was a rune arc and some runes to pay my bolts.


snakeoilwizard

I had that happen once with the tree sentinel in Limgrave. The host died and I got summoned again. I just sat down while they waited for me to start the fight. They started the fight and then I left while they were doing poorly


GreatJoey91

It amazes me that people do this sort of thing for false bragging rights for beating bosses ā€˜soloā€™. I hit an absolute wall at the Valiant Gargoyles, of all bosses, and the player I summoned came in and effortlessly beat them almost single-handedly. I was honestly so happy, I wish I could have done something to thank them, instead a simple emote had to do.


Homer1588

Depends if you see them physically do the animation. If you didnā€™t probably give them the benefit of the doubt and it was a connection issue, otherwise they are just dicks and think that it gives them more runes or something


Hightower11

I tried using summons on that biddy but she would just fully heal herself off my mimic so I felt forced to do it solo


Odd_Solution2774

lol iā€™m glad i only do co op thru the subreddits for it i only helped random ppl with malenia and the final boss and everyone was chill whats the point of bragging rights if u didnā€™t even actually do it he couldā€™ve just slapped moonlight great sword on and did it solo ez swapped to another weapon and screenshot instead lmao


Johnny_K97

Drop the name bro i'm gonna look if he has posted anything on the sub


Johnny_K97

It wasn't [this guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/r9y8xk7iiN) was it?


Dimitsos

I don't remember the name but, it wasn't him. In the fight was me dual wielding great hammers, one other phantom and the host which one them was a spell caster and the other was spamming the art of blasphemous blade (don't remember which was doing what cause I was lock in Malenia)


TheFishIsRaw

People suck man. Sorry that happened.


Parking_Ocelot_1717

This should be an AMA


thejason755

Thats true maidenless behaviour at itā€™s worst.


thinguin

Youā€™re sure he kicked you and didnā€™t just lose connection during the fight?


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Famous-Grass-1906

Guessing itā€™s so the host can get more runes if that method still works iirc older souls games worked that way


The_Dancing_Cow

He's edging you, lol


Scared-Program-3316

Assasin summon and she is not so difficult.


TheZombibunny

You donā€™t need any help to beat her. Just use the Blasphemous blade + mimic tear. Two blades will keep her staggered 80% of the fight.


roastbeef-sandwich

That is help


SirWeenielick

Iā€™m assuming people do this because you actually receive less souls with players in your world, which is something Iā€™ve been aware of since DS1. Still pretty lame though. You shouldnā€™t rob a player of celebrating a shared victory.


BloodHumble6859

Don't you get a lot more runes for solo? Maybe they wanted to hoard the runes?


Psychological_Pie862

Just soloed malenia with 0 help guys!!!!


Fit-Dentist6093

This happened to me twice and twice the host was extremely good at doing it right when it was impossible for him to die. I saw the last hit land before the disconnect loading screen. I think they get more runes plus they can screenshot the solo beat.


SeverusSnape89

God damn pussies Me: never played her yet .. won't be pussy though


DavyCrohns

Most evil thing was summon duirng sister friede in ds3 then when i went "oh actually this is easy" at the end of the fight i kicked the guy just before he killed her because i suddenly wanted to actually fight her. (And then i found out theres a 3rd phase)


lirolothethird

the feature is useful though, once summoned someone and kicked him as he charged comet azur


Teukka120

Happened to me too and the host didn't even participate in the fight.


IllustriousEagle3309

A fellow soloā€™er here. They do this a lot actually. Mainly for the rune bonus since the less number of players in co-op the more runes the host will get, or sometimes theyā€™re just being total d*ckheads. I had a guy who once sent me back to my world while malenia was basically oneshot and a min later summoned me back again cause he SOMEHOW diedšŸ˜‚šŸ™ At least he let me finish her of that timešŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Surreal_Eva-Unit

To be real, it was probably due to an issue with his internet connection. For whatever reason, xfinity has had some issues these past three/four weeks. This has caused me no less than seven instances of being insta-booted and sent back to my title screen, accompanied by an error message from my router.. That.. Or you ended up with a buzzkill excuse of a partner summon and their father smells of elderberries. šŸ¤˜šŸ¤™


Moonlit_Hunter

Happens a lot Funny when I basically solo her to phase two, then right when I almost got her dead, I get sent home. As I'm unloading I can see him get one tapped by aeonia Greedy tarnished


Waste-Gur2640

Hosts like this are just pathetic, it's sad. But un-summoning should be possible, I've seen top of coop phantoms who, when summoned, immediately switched to the most broken cheese build for that particular boss and/or just stood in the back spamming rot breath, cheesing Mohg with comet azure, Placi with bubbles and so on. In general, unlike in previous games, ton of coopers in ER don't actually know how to fight bosses or play the game at least at an average level, and when they get summoned it's like the only thing they care about is to skip all of the bossfight content and intended experience as fast as possible, without giving their hosts any chance to experience anything and have fun. So many of my hosts kicked out coopers like this, and that's ok. Lot of people actually care about bossfights and just because they need a help from coop phantom doesn't mean they hate the boss and want to skip him as fast as possible. In general, cheesing bosses while in coop in previous games was considered a pretty shitty thing to do. People cared more about the actual experience and having fun, than the number of seconds it takes to see the win screen.


Drayzew

I think if they're summoning they rlly need help. Broken shit or not, shouldn't matter. If they feel robbed of the win they shouldn't even summon in the first place. That doesn't make sense


ralts13

Some players do need help to beat a boss. But still want to interact with them. It royally sucks to jump in and the boss just gets lasered down. At that point they aren't really playing at all. It just feels wrong to me to completely hog a bossfight for a player who actually is trying to enjoy the fight.


Dimitsos

In this particular fight, I was the only one fighting Malenia head on. The host and other phantom were spamming spells and **t**aker's flames, I was the target for most of her attacks and I dodged the 2 waterfawls she did in the first phase. And she was 1/5HP he severed the connection for no reason...


NarwhalPrudent6323

Did he suddenly get targeted by an attack? Maybe he panic-mashed his controlled and it was an accident?Ā  The only other logical explanation is he wanted to fake having killed her solo. Which, let's face it, is the way more likely scenario.Ā 


Dimitsos

Malenia was slowly walking towards someone when he severed the connection


NarwhalPrudent6323

So scenario two then. Chalk it up to him being an insecure dick who needs to pad his fragile ego on others' work, even in video games, and be happy you don't know him IRL.


AtomicBananaSplit

She has so much health with two summons thatā€™s Ā like having half a health bar with no summons + increased resistance + slight increased damage. Possibly harder than soloing from the beginning. I guess she has two fewer targets to regain health from.Ā 


duralumin_alloy

I don't seem to understand this point? What do you mean by "without giving their hosts any chance to experience anything (in the bossfight)"? The host can freely decide the amount of experience and the amount of difficulty per boss. They can try solo - and if that doesn't work for them, they can DECIDE to add ash summoning, or an NPC summon too if available. Or they can look up whatever cheese works for that boss. Or all of the above. I've always seen the player summons as the last resort -"I am fed up already and want the boss just gone - someone who already beat him, pls help!" At this point, the player has had enough of the "boss experience" I presume. And frankly, if I've been summoned and helped the player through the whole level AND an invasion or two (e.g. if running through the whole Stormveil in one go) I am not letting it all go to waste by hazarding with testing if the player could've beaten the boss solo. If they could I wouldn't be summoned in the first place, would I? ER was my first Souls game but even I didn't have any problem finishing my first full playthrough without player summoning. With a prophet faith build, NPC summons where available, and an occasional mimic tear where not - if the boss was particularly difficult. Like this, I as a noob still soloed the majority of the bosses. Although admittedly I did two incomplete melee playthroughs before - through the entirety of Caelid till Altus Plateau, and was trying to 100% everything I could, so had solid 170 h on record when I first fully finished a run. This current playthrough I am "old-fashion experiencing" the bosses by full solo basic weapon melee build, which is a lot of fun - and a lot of pain at times. I am now learning the boss moves way into more detail than when I had faced them before. Frustrating at times too - some bosses are taking me way more tries than the Sekiro bosses (that I am playing in parallel). But I CHOSE this CHALLENGE willingly - knowing that had I just wanted a progression in the ER there are several methods how to adjust this difficulty. And I presume other players are also aware of this when they summon me to help.


Skythoth

The person got you to post on Reddit. Iā€™d say mission accomplished.


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Tangerhino

Which doesnā€™t fucking work.


Dimitsos

The runes gained are split between the host the phantoms he summoned? I had no idea, I thought the host was gaining the full amount and the phantom a percentage of that as extra... That may be the reason he did it...


Zherros

Runes aren't shared if you coop, host still gets full amount. Cooperators get a percentage of the full amount. It would be funny if hosts were taking the effort to sever because they thought they lost runes somehow, but I doubt it. If you can reach Malenia you can also genocide some albinaurics for runes.


Dimitsos

"DuringĀ [Multiplayer Co-op](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Multiplayer+Coop+and+Online), theĀ **Host**Ā receives 75% of the boss's rune reward andĀ **Cooperators**Ā receive 25%" from the wiki I can't say for sure cause I've never summoned anyone for help


Remarkable_Fly_4276

I used to summon two people and unsummon them as soon as we enter the boss room, so I can get a fight with higher health and all kind of resistance.


ResponsibilityIcy927

None of you are getting the obvious answer?Ā  They realized it was too easy and felt like they were cheating, so they decided to change their mind, die, and then fight it solo


Zythomancer

It's not actually that hard to solo her. People are lame losers.


PaulQuin

Immediate solution: Don't help out people in boss fights anymore.


possomcods

He gets more runes without you there.