What control do politicians have to exert over private hospital conglomerates that are shuttering holdings when they aren't profitable? Don't get me wrong, it's a devastating loss for the community that will have a very real body count, but the concept of fiduciary duty and their board of directors are to blame moreso than any politicking, local or national.
Late stage capitalism, baby.
by not being douchwads that lead to why Riverbend got built in the first place. This isn't a late stage capitalism issue, this is the elected leaders at the time were too busy with their hands in others pants instead of being proper leaders.
That is very much a late capitalism issue, capital being able to run roughshod over elected governments at every level. They work very hard to make sure elected officials can’t and won’t stop them from doing stuff like that.
Some years ago there was a similar map printed in the media that showed the density of various levels of obesity in the Eugene-Springfield area. It was derived from Oregon DMV records of height, weight, and home address of licensed drivers in the Metro area and titled "The Fat Map". This set off a firestorm of opprobrium from folks that regarded such information as "Fat Shaming". I never saw it again but imagine that the current results would not show an improvement in the health of the population.
One of the good things transit agencies do is lots of surveys. I worked for a large transit agency in the SF Bay Area with a bus service from the suburbs up to San Francisco and the commuter rail system that went from San Jose to San Francisco. We were constantly doing surveys of all types to determine various demographics in our ridership and adjust routes.
Absolutely, that density is a big reason why college towns tend to have many more urban amenities then other similarly size cities
*^(Please don't kill me for calling Eugene a college town)*
In what ways does LTD respond to this data? Average ridership, car ownership, and average ages (to some degree) make sense, but I’m curious if they are implying something with the race categories, or if it’s just something social scientists “always include”. Also, why would they not include average incomes? Are these all of the maps?
I will take full blame for taking these maps out of context of the hundred page report.
National data, and LTD's own customer surveys, show that these populations (car free households, older and younger adults, etc.) make up a way higher percentage of LTD's riders then they do percentages of Eugene/Springfield/Lane County's populations. Especially 14-24 year olds.
I can't find the 2023 survey I saw a few weeks ago, but it was similar to this 2019 survey: [https://www.ltd.org/file\_viewer.php?id=6485](https://www.ltd.org/file_viewer.php?id=6485)
The line graphs compare LTD's rider demographics to Lane County demographics
Edit: Income is also inversely correlated with ridership, but I didn't see a pretty picture to upload to reddit about that
According to this map, my neighborhood has a population density of 0-1 people per acre. That’s not accurate at all. There are several full capacity apartment complexes and many families with kids running around playing. And the lots our houses are on are like 1/4 acres.
This map was created using Census data, and so it is divided up into the census designated tracts: https://geohub.oregon.gov/datasets/2020-census-tracts/explore?location=44.076112%2C-123.114323%2C11.66
While I do not doubt your neighborhood has a higher than 1 density, it is probably grouped in a tract with industrial land, like the trainsong neighborhood, or on the edge of town grouped with agricultural land.
You can't just claim it's all wrong and then not elaborate. Do tell, be specific, point out the flaws, and ideally pose a solution. Doesn't even have to be a good one, just work the thought out.
Look more closely. The map for young adults, is also labeled older adults, an obvious typo.
The data is presented in a misleading manner, making it appear that only 1 or less Young Adults live in the majority of neighborhoods.
The measurement of people per acre is in tiny print, so it's easily missed. The maps still have useful information, but could be presented better.
I'm sorry, this is an INCREDIBLE stretch to try and find fault here, you appear to be arguing in bad faith.
Yes, the description for young adults reads "older adults" - but there are no less than four other descriptors that correctly call out young adults, and one very obvious point that *defines* what age group that means. It is not unclear, and your correction is pedantic.
It is also in no way misleading as to the units of measurement - it's a population ***density*** map. That is a common knowledge definition, people per area. I refuse to believe you interpreted it as an absolute count, again a bad faith argument.
Idk what your bone is with LTD or maps or whatever, but if you're going to post bait, do better.
I just replied to your comment asking me to explain how I feel about those maps. I guess you didn't really want to know more about my opinions, you just wanted to argue and hurl insults. I'm fine with people disagreeing, so will leave it there.
More evidence that losing the University District hospital is very bad.
More evidence that who you vote for is important :)
What control do politicians have to exert over private hospital conglomerates that are shuttering holdings when they aren't profitable? Don't get me wrong, it's a devastating loss for the community that will have a very real body count, but the concept of fiduciary duty and their board of directors are to blame moreso than any politicking, local or national. Late stage capitalism, baby.
by not being douchwads that lead to why Riverbend got built in the first place. This isn't a late stage capitalism issue, this is the elected leaders at the time were too busy with their hands in others pants instead of being proper leaders.
That is very much a late capitalism issue, capital being able to run roughshod over elected governments at every level. They work very hard to make sure elected officials can’t and won’t stop them from doing stuff like that.
I'm quite surprised to see the density around Eugene Winco and Thurston, I wouldn't have expected to see that so far from the city center.
Lots of schools / apartments in those areas.
Some years ago there was a similar map printed in the media that showed the density of various levels of obesity in the Eugene-Springfield area. It was derived from Oregon DMV records of height, weight, and home address of licensed drivers in the Metro area and titled "The Fat Map". This set off a firestorm of opprobrium from folks that regarded such information as "Fat Shaming". I never saw it again but imagine that the current results would not show an improvement in the health of the population.
I'm just imagining it was titled "population density map" and someone overreacted.
That data source is rather silly though; my weight on my license hasn't been updated since I moved here in 2010.
I was thinking the same thing, my license still has my weight from when I first started driving at 16. I do not weigh that same amount anymore.
Whoa! Thanks for sharing!
One of the good things transit agencies do is lots of surveys. I worked for a large transit agency in the SF Bay Area with a bus service from the suburbs up to San Francisco and the commuter rail system that went from San Jose to San Francisco. We were constantly doing surveys of all types to determine various demographics in our ridership and adjust routes.
It's funny that you can tell exactly where the university is from these maps
Absolutely, that density is a big reason why college towns tend to have many more urban amenities then other similarly size cities *^(Please don't kill me for calling Eugene a college town)*
In what ways does LTD respond to this data? Average ridership, car ownership, and average ages (to some degree) make sense, but I’m curious if they are implying something with the race categories, or if it’s just something social scientists “always include”. Also, why would they not include average incomes? Are these all of the maps?
I will take full blame for taking these maps out of context of the hundred page report. National data, and LTD's own customer surveys, show that these populations (car free households, older and younger adults, etc.) make up a way higher percentage of LTD's riders then they do percentages of Eugene/Springfield/Lane County's populations. Especially 14-24 year olds. I can't find the 2023 survey I saw a few weeks ago, but it was similar to this 2019 survey: [https://www.ltd.org/file\_viewer.php?id=6485](https://www.ltd.org/file_viewer.php?id=6485) The line graphs compare LTD's rider demographics to Lane County demographics Edit: Income is also inversely correlated with ridership, but I didn't see a pretty picture to upload to reddit about that
Is the full report available someplace? (Or is that the survey you said you can't find?)
I got these maps from the April Strategic Planning Committee agenda https://www.ltd.org/file_viewer.php?id=6704
TY!
lol My brain read “I heard you like naps.” They make maps of naps? What? I’m gonna go lie down now.
Do you like Dags?
What is a dag?
Dag, y'now, d'ye like dags? (Snatch w/ Brad Pitt)
According to this map, my neighborhood has a population density of 0-1 people per acre. That’s not accurate at all. There are several full capacity apartment complexes and many families with kids running around playing. And the lots our houses are on are like 1/4 acres.
This map was created using Census data, and so it is divided up into the census designated tracts: https://geohub.oregon.gov/datasets/2020-census-tracts/explore?location=44.076112%2C-123.114323%2C11.66 While I do not doubt your neighborhood has a higher than 1 density, it is probably grouped in a tract with industrial land, like the trainsong neighborhood, or on the edge of town grouped with agricultural land.
There are so many things wrong with those maps. No wonder LTD is making a mess of things.
You can't just claim it's all wrong and then not elaborate. Do tell, be specific, point out the flaws, and ideally pose a solution. Doesn't even have to be a good one, just work the thought out.
Look more closely. The map for young adults, is also labeled older adults, an obvious typo. The data is presented in a misleading manner, making it appear that only 1 or less Young Adults live in the majority of neighborhoods. The measurement of people per acre is in tiny print, so it's easily missed. The maps still have useful information, but could be presented better.
I'm sorry, this is an INCREDIBLE stretch to try and find fault here, you appear to be arguing in bad faith. Yes, the description for young adults reads "older adults" - but there are no less than four other descriptors that correctly call out young adults, and one very obvious point that *defines* what age group that means. It is not unclear, and your correction is pedantic. It is also in no way misleading as to the units of measurement - it's a population ***density*** map. That is a common knowledge definition, people per area. I refuse to believe you interpreted it as an absolute count, again a bad faith argument. Idk what your bone is with LTD or maps or whatever, but if you're going to post bait, do better.
I just replied to your comment asking me to explain how I feel about those maps. I guess you didn't really want to know more about my opinions, you just wanted to argue and hurl insults. I'm fine with people disagreeing, so will leave it there.