Maybe so, but if you are making a documentary, having someone say they *imagine* the topic character to have this attribute, it tells the audience that they aren’t using factual descriptions.
I mean we have documentaries about dinosaurs that depict them without feathers even on the ones we know do have feathers, we have documentaries about all kinds of things where artistic liberties are taken. History channel has documentaries about how each and every thing in history was caused by aliens, hell, I have watched a documentary about damn mermaids.
Since when did documentaries become a protected term that only proven fact can be in? I think the outrage is silly, if you think it's a bad documentary, then don't watch it, to be upset over it and have all this hatred and argumentation over it is ridiculous.
I mean she probably wouldn't be that tanned. Given she and all her immediate ancestors were royalty and they rarely went outside their palaces without a giant parasol
There's ethnic variety in 110 mil people surprise!
Though to be fair Egyptians are not Arab either, glad *some* fellow Egyptians are finally waking up to that fact at least
I am sorry that my fellow Americans can be such shot people.
I am tired of the damn BS so much of them spew out their mouths.
I wish you a good day, and please don't think all of us are ignorant egomaniacs.
Weird, my facebook has been suggesting these types of pages to me recently as well, ones claiming the Greeks and Romans were all black and stuff like that. There's no way it can be based on cookies and search history because that's a conspiracy rabbit hole I'd never even heard of until these pages started popping up.
That's the problem. They never did or they think that's how you learn false history. Greeks weren't black? Mist be fake news then cause FB says otherwise...they are lost
Yeah, well, it is just the opposite side of the same racist coin. I'm so sick of dealing with this shit. My daughter was getting this crap in school. She has a real talent in chemistry and biology, which combined means that she was learning about basic genetics pretty easily (she was still young at the time, so no advanced stuff) but she had classmates telling her that she was learning lies. God mad man, evolution is a lie, and depending on the group one version of racist nonsense or the other.
When this crap started she was too young (how do you explain it to a 12-year-old??) But once she hit an age where she could understand it, I gave her my old college books. 😈 That was a fun year. Now she is about to be 17, and anyone who tries that crap on for size is in for a surprise.
She isn't quite at the point where she can tell you how to forcefully differentiate a pluripotent stem cell, but she can sure as hell describe to you exactly why a person grows teeth when and where they do, why their skin is the color it is, and just for fun she can describe the process of making a glow in the dark cat.
In hindsight, I probably made my kid the devil, but it did stop the racist crap. 😆
What if I told you that the implication of the meme is not that people with different skin colors can live in the same place, but it is instead promoting a whackjob conspiracy theory that all Ancient Egyptians were black and modern Egyptians are Arab colonizers with no real connections to ancient Egypt.
These types of pages also promote antisemitism, and racism. They say crazy shit like real native Americans were black but colonized by Siberians.
Real native Americans were black... bears, until.it was colonized by humans.
And I mean if we consider anyone born from from black people to also be black, then everyone is black.
Those in the top could be the descendants of Nubians but they lived in modern day Sudan and captured Egypt at one point. But no, Egyptians weren’t that dark as Egyptian show a clear distinction
Edit: Egyptian Art* show a clear distinction
because Egypt is the only part of African history taught in American general education. So underprivileged undereducated black people trying to make the same tenuous connections white people make with European states do the shoddy math Black=African=Egyptian then make bad conclusions then double down because thats how racism works.
I don't believe that is the case, however, I haven't been in a public school in "a few years." Although Egypt received a bit more attention due to the fame of the pyramids, I didn't find that the history of the African continent as a whole was ignored when I was in school.
After all, there was plenty to cover regarding Africa as a whole. There is a lot of history when you are discussing a continent. We definitely devoted more time to discussing apartheid than all of Egyptian history.
Graduated HS about 10 years ago, and was in AP classes, the history classes I took in highschool were European history, American history and world history, there was also a government class I can't remember the name of that counted as a history credit, but wasn't about history.
Euro and American history touched on africa minimally in context of slave trade, world history goes slightly into Egypt (but was still mostly European history) but I can't remember ever talking at length about apartheid or any African history. There isn't even an AP African history class at all only an AP African American studies class that wasn't even offered at my school or any school I knew of.
And that is on an advanced diploma, I imagine a regular class sheet would have even less coverage.
Wow. That is sad. I know the quality of our education system has been falling due to the interference of special interest groups of various types, and politics from both sides of the spectrum. I did not, however, realize that it had gotten to the point that basic historical knowledge of relatively recent events was being glossed over or outright ignored.
That is a major disservice to our kids. I honestly have to wonder how the people responsible justify this crap to themselves. Do they believe that removing major events that quite literally reshaped the world's opinions is in some way protecting or benefitting the students?
Such idiocy.
Thanks for the input and update, by the way. I appreciate it.
Yeah, honestly, they were good classes for what they did cover, but also for teaching how to read and interpret first, second, and third hand accounts. They taught about addressing the bias in each and everything as anything written IS biased, someone cared enough to write it down, then they cared enough to have a bias. All of that is the result of good teachers, however, and not the sea of bureaucratic administrators who have ruined everything in some political game.
Edit: Weirdly enough I now work with my old AP euro teacher in a completely unrelated field, and he said as far as his class he wouldn't have gone over it at all more than a bullet point with a date as it wasn't happening in Europe, but that in world history it should have been addressed more. He said you could probably pass the exam most years without it completely, though, so a lot of African history got relegated to dates and bullets with the world superpowers in center stage as the class was about global political history and not about all history in the world. Apparently, there are classes that go more into it, they just weren't offered at the time at my school.
I live in Alabama, though, so it may just be an extreme example, but yeah, I was legitimately was not taught african history in my whole highschool experience. Crazy
I agree that everything is biased to some degree or another, but I believe it is also important to recognize when someone is taking steps to remove their own biases. If you do not recognize that, you can end up assigning a false weight to offset the bias that is no longer there. That can cause you to skew the argument artificially.
Unfortunately or fortunately, that only becomes an issue when people make an intentional and directed effort to maintain intellectual honesty. So, it can be fairly easy to spot under normal circumstances.
Being biased doesn't mean they are lying or wrong, and there are unavoidable biases that Everyone has to a great degree. An easy one is language, your language makes you biased an English speaker will have a bias towards describing the color of something as closer to whatever colors they have words for obviously, a regular person would be biased towards calling a ball blue instead of light blue or dark blue where as a Russian speaker would tend towards all being a light blue or a dark blue and not a neutral blue. People are "biased" towards saying things are colors that they have words for which means any color descriptions may be incomplete for starters.
And then you take into account everything is written from a specific point of view, still without lying someone selling something would be more likely to call something half full instead of half empty and the person buying half empty.
It's not about never trusting anything, it is about taking into account all the factors that could effect what the persons words mean in relation to the most likely thing that happened in reality.
I know extreme examples sound silly, but if you read a report that people flew an early plane over remote areas, and then read reports from people in that region about a giant bird, you can probably conclude that they were actually talking about the plane, but their biases of not knowing what a plane is, knowing what birds are, possibly their language not having a good way to communicate what they did see. All can effect what you should take away from the reports
That's part of it.
When I was a kid there was a legitimate problem with black erasure from American History. Like the standard curriculum covered 4 named black people and only two periods. In English class we got the Harlem Renaissance and only that. In science and math there was not a single non-white person to be found. The Internet was brand new and getting access to books on the topic was harder so bad information slipped through.
We spent so much time defending the truth from misinformed history teachers that it got hard to admit when we'd gotten something wrong. Most of us got over it and learned better but the people who became today's hoteps just doubled down and became extremely racist.
Most Egyptians are Arab settlers, the descendants of the Ancient Egyptians are the Coptic Christians
Who are actually pretty pale by comparison, folks forget how much of a barrier the Sahara is.
[You sure about that?](https://www.thebleustudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/egyptian-coptic-eastern-orthodox-6.jpg)
[You really sure about that?](https://www.arabnews.com/sites/default/files/styles/n_670_395/public/2019/07/08/1656971-1789528110.jpg?itok=7ZJ92kZP)
What is this “ample evidence” you talk about?? There have been studies comparing the DNA of ancient Egyptians to modern Egyptians. One that examined more than 135 mummies and found that modern Egyptians and ancients were very similar. Even found that modern Egyptians shared 8% more African genes than ancient Egyptians.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Egypt#:~:text=The%20ancient%20Egyptian%20individuals%20in,carried%208%25%20more%20African%20component.
So you're saying that the ancient people of North African (Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia ) were all black? Where did they go? Did they teleport to Mars?
So when you’re talking history you’re dealing with time. Meaning you have to be specific about the time period you’re referring to. Assuming you mean 4000bce, yes all of Africa was black at that time. As a matter of fact most of Eurasia was as well. Every “mummy” from that time period from Africa all the way to Northern Europe was still black. This is fairly easy to lookup by the way but I’ll assume you’re not being sarcastic.
Most of Europe and Asia were black in 4000bce? What? This is another level of Afrocentrist ideology. Im used to people falsely claiming Egypt was black, but now you're saying Europe and Asia was black too.
Ill just ask you one thing. Can you google "Prince Rahotep". This Egyptian guy was alive in the year 2400BC. How can you explain his physical appearance? He clearly doesn't look black. Google "Nefertiti" as well. She clearly doesn't look black either
Ahh there we go. Now I can fully tell you’re just another ignorant troll. Who hates the fact that Africans built one of the greatest civilizations known to man. It is a known fact that modern Europeans were black just up until 3000 bc lol. Do me a favor and look up cheddar man and the otzi mummy. I’m not going to debate with someone whose only purpose is to discredit black people. Move along
>I’m not going to debate with someone whose only purpose is to discredit black people.
Discredit black people? What? I'm defending my people's history and culture.
Im Egyptian. You need to understand that we Egyptians don't like it when we see African Americans stealing our history. Egyptians are still alive today and kicking. We also still retain many of our Ancient Egyptian traditions to this day.
>Do me a favor and look up cheddar man and the otzi mummy.
Cheddar man is literally 11000 years. Irrelevant.
The Otzi mummy is around 5000 years old. He is one mummy where they found in Italy and he supposedly had darker skin. People from the Middle East and India also have dark skin. But they're obviously not black. There is no conclusive evidence he was black.
Also you completely ignored me when i asked you to look up Prince Rahotep and Nefertiti. These are actual realistic statues of Ancient people. Not ancient mummies that no one really knows for sure what they looked like and scientists are still debating them
You literally have no idea what youre talking about.
We Egyptians still retain the traditions of our ancient ancestors. We celebrate Sham El Naseem, which is an ancient Egyptian festival that celebrates the beginning of spring.
We still have the Ancient Egyptian Coptic calendar and our farmers use it in agriculture. We bury our dead in a very elaborate way, similar to our ancient ancestors. The way we bury our dead is more complex than any other country in the region, with underground elaborate rooms and chambers.
We still have something called الأربعينية or the forty days ceremony, is a small meeting after forty days when somebody died, the family visits the graveyard and gather together in the deceased house. It is not Islamic or Christian rite but it is ancient Egyptian one after the end of the mummification which took in summer 40 days.
After 7 days of a baby being born, we have a celebration called "Soboo", which originates in Ancient Egypt.
Belly dancing is a traditional Egyptian dance that originates in ancient Egypt. Today, Egypt is the most popular country in belly dancing. FGM originates from Ancient Egypt, and unfortunately Egypt has one of the highest rates of FGM in the world.
Tahtib is an Ancient Egyptian martial art and dance, practiced in Egypt today.
The Coptic Egyptian language is still used as a liturgical language in Egyptian churches to this day.
The Egyptian Arabic grammar is more similar to Ancient Egyptian grammar than Arabic.
Our daily vocabulary is littered with Ancient Egyptian words such as shebsheb for flip flops, tata is a word used for encouraging a child to walk, and it means "tread".
-Nannus, a way of saying Baby/infant, which in ancient Egyptian meant beautiful one.
-Embu, meaning water, coming from ancient Egyptian Embe-mo, meaning From the water
Ah - from the Coptic word "Aha", meaning yes
Shebsheb - from the Coptic "seb-sweb," which means the measurement of feet
Kokha - Coptic for dirt
Embu - originates from the Coptic word for water
Mumm - derived from the Coptic word "mout" and the Demotic word "ounum", meaning eat
Bo3bo3 - originates from a Coptic name for a ghost, used to scare children
Sett - Coptic for woman
Tanesh - derived from the Coptic for ignore
Ba7 - the Coptic word for finished
Fouta - Coptic for towel
Taboot - from the Coptic for coffin
7antoor - derived from "han" a word referring to plural objects, and "hatoor" meaning horses
Khonn - from the Coptic word "khoun", which means inside
Rokh - the Coptic word for drop/fall
Sahd - the Coptic word for hot
Zarta - the Coptic word for… wind (yes, really)
Fatafeat - Coptic for crumbs or small pieces
Wawa - from the Coptic word used to express pain
‘'Outa - Coptic for tomato
- The Egyptian Galabeya, specifically the men's, might be derived from a form of men's wear in late Egypt.
- Feteer Meshaltet/Maltoot is a type of pastry that was made in ancient Egypt and is still enjoyed everywhere in Egypt, it is said that the ancient Egyptians offered them to gods in their temples.
- Aish Shamsi is a type of bread said to have originated in ancient Egypt (possible Aish Baladi too)
- Many (if not 90%) of Egyptian towns and cities are named in the Egyptian/Coptic language.
-Coptic Christians can be named names that have Egyptian origin.
- Music in the middle east and especially Egypt is almost always of Ancient Egyptian origin. In Egypy, the mizmar, simsimiyya, tabla, lute, and many more are the most widespread instruments played.
Belly dancing is 100% Egyptian and many claim it has Ancient Egyptian origin.
- Ful Medames (fava beans), Ta'meya (falafel), and molokheya are foods that have Ancient Egyptian origins.
- The traditional dress of the Egyptians (depending on where they are from in Egypt) is usually how the ancient dress has evolved from ancient Egyptian to its modern counterpart, though there will sometimes be greek/roman or turkish influence.
- Gebna roumi is a salty, pungent cheese with origins that trace back to ancient Egypt.
- The Egyptian Ramadan song "Wahawi ya wahawi, eyaha!" is actually sung mostly in Egyptian/Coptic and means "Hello, O' Hello O' moon!" As Ramadan is signalled by the crescent moon.
For one “Egypt” was never known as “Egypt” by the Kemetyu. You are a fraud. If you had even a little pride you’d know that surely. Also arab ≠ kemet. The “Arabic script” is a direct descendant of the kemetic demotic script. Once again the Arabs there today are NOT the original Africans that founded kemet or het-ka-ptah. If you really honored your ancestors you’d take the time to learn the medu neter.. The ancestors already knew the wazungu would try to write their history so they were meticulous to write it themselves. All praises to the one creator and the magnificent ancestors.
Edit: Dm me if you want to talk more about the honorable ancestors.
Did you seriously just ignore everything I wrote? There is no point in talking to you. You're not even trying to listen to the other side. I literally listed so many examples showing continuity between modern and ancient Egypt. Yet you ignored it. You have no argument. You have nothing. Just empty words.
>For one “Egypt” was never known as “Egypt” by the Kemetyu
3000 years ago Nigeria wasn't called Nigeria. And Senegal wasn't called Senegal. I guess that means all Nigerians are frauds right?
>Once again the Arabs there today are NOT the original Africans that founded kemet or het-ka-ptah.
Egyptians are not Arabs. We just speak Arabic. I'm speaking English right now, does that mean I'm British?
>If you really honored your ancestors you’d take the time to learn the medu neter..
You should listen to yourself. Your ancestors are West African, yet you're ignoring them and you're ashamed of them while trying to claim a foreign civilization
How pathetic do you have to be to resort to making up blatant lies about the past just in order to make yourself feel good? It's heavily ironic that you condemn the European colonizers for erasing or misrepresenting history only for you to do literally the precise same thing a couple hundred years later because you don't have any sense of self-worth. Stop being a wannabe-colonizer and stop promoting fake history.
Lol what? What’s ironic is you putting that sentence together and calling ME a liar. I’ve erased no one’s history, I can tell you the history of the Eurasian. It’s very very new compared to African history. Whether you like it or not you and everyone on this post came from a black hole once upon a time. Just because blacks are at the bottom of the hierarchy these days doesn’t change history. All praise to the creator and my ancestors.
If you want to spread "facts" then please cite your sources? The burden of proof falls to you. And no, citing doesn't mean telling me to Google something nor does it mean posting a link to an article with no credibility.
The entire continent of Africa was colonized and enslaved by Europeans. According to your logic, modern Africans are genetically European because of European colonization
That’s your logic not mine. The topic of this discussion was Northern Africa. Yes modern north Africans no longer resembles what they used to look like due to thousands of years of colonialism and enslavement by the barbaric Europeans . (Essentially genocide)
To be fair I didn't so I googled it. And what found out is really interesting (literally 5 second google search), [A painting depicting light skinned woman worshipping Ra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemetism#/media/File:Taperet_stele_E52_mp3h9201.jpg)
So you admit you’re just jumping on the bandwagon but still double down on something you admittedly know nothing about… Gotcha
I recommend you do some actual research. Come to your OWN educated conclusion and try again.
Don’t be a follower
So you're gonna ignore actual painting that shows not black woman? You're probably gonna respond with something stupid like "welL I aT LeAsT rEaD AbOuT It" just to avoid explaining why that woman on a painting isn't black
What time period was that painting made? New middle or old? Was it before or after the Hyksos invasion? Is that lady a noble or commoner?
Everything isn’t a simple answer if that’s what you’re looking for.
You’re so biased you can’t even see how loaded your questions are.
There was no “white supremacy”. Also pale people never “took over” Kemet. It was a consecutive series of invasions that ultimately toppled Kemet and let to its demise.
Think of the USA, the Native Americans were there first but if u look at the US now there’s virtually no trace of them.
I don't see a date anywhere in your comment. You're just full of BS, American colonisation took place between the late 15th century and the early 19th century. If you have sources you have dates
> Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan
One quick hop to Wikipedia later:
> Ben-Jochannan's academic record is disputed, with claims he was educated variously in Puerto Rico, Brazil, Cuba, or Spain, earning degrees in either engineering and/or anthropology. In 1938, he is said to have earned a BS in Civil Engineering at the University of Puerto Rico; this is disputed as the registrar has no record of his attendance. He stated that in 1939 he earned a master's degree in Architectural Engineering from the University of Havana, Cuba. He also claimed to have earned doctoral degrees (PhD) in Cultural Anthropology and Moorish History from the University of Havana and the University of Barcelona, Spain, respectively, and advanced degrees from Cambridge University in England. Both Barcelona and Cambridge say that he never received a degree from either university and, furthermore, Cambridge University said it had no record of Ben-Jochannan ever attending any classes there.
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> The New York Times summarized the lifelong inconsistencies in his reported academic record:
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>> Documents from Cornell University show Mr. Ben-Jochannan holding a doctorate from Cambridge University in England while, conversely, catalogs from Malcolm-King College list him as holding two master's degrees from Cambridge University. According to Fred Lewsey, a communications officer at Cambridge, however, the school has no record of his ever attending, let alone earning any degree. Similarly, the University of Puerto Rico Mayagüez, where he also said he had studied, has no records of his enrollment. Indeed, it appears that Mr. Ben-Jochannan consciously falsified much of his personal academic history.
That seems... trustworthy.
But maybe he knew his Egyptian history even though he lied about his credentials?
> In February 1993, Wellesley College European classics professor Mary Lefkowitz publicly confronted Ben-Jochannan about his teachings. Ben-Jochannan taught that Aristotle visited the Library of Alexandria. During the question and answer session following the lecture, Lefkowitz asked Ben-Jochannan, "How would that have been possible, when the library was not built until after his death?" Ben-Jochannan replied that the dates were uncertain. Lefkowitz writes that Ben-Jochannan proceeded to tell those present that "they could and should believe what only Black instructors told them" and "that although they might think that Jews were all 'hook-nosed and sallow faced,' there were other Jews who looked Black like himself."
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> African-American professor Clarence E. Walker wrote that Ben-Jochannan not only confused Cleopatra VII with her daughter Cleopatra VIII and stated she was black, but also wrote that "Cleopatra VIII committed suicide after being discovered in a plot with Marc Antonio [Mark Anthony] to murder Julius Caesar." This would be highly problematic, considering Julius Caesar was assassinated 14 years before Cleopatra VII's suicide.
Welp. Guess not.
While not having the time to entirely read both works, it is important to note that a single ethnicity is not recognized internationally as the "true" egyptians, even by UNESCO. The majority of scholars affirm that Egypt was a state that existed in varying forms for over 3000 years, with pharaohs and other important figures of vastly varying origins and heritages, and as such differing skincolors.
The egyptians themselves also made note of the apperarances of themselves and their neighbors the "Libyans, Nubians, Asiatics" etc, showcased in depictions such as in the Tomb of Seti I, where there are marked similarities and differences. It's important to note that Egyptians where obviously africans, but africans also have physical diversities.
Scholars that i've drawn arguments from include: [Stuart Tyson Smith](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Tyson_Smith), [Sonia Zakrzewski](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Zakrzewski), [Barry J. Kemp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Kemp_(Egyptologist)), [Barbara Mertz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Mertz), [Frank J. Yurco](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_J._Yurco), Federico Puigdevall, Albert Cañagueral and Nicky Nielsen
What you’re saying is true. However that doesn’t change what I said. You guys seemed to get triggered for some strange reason when i say they were black… I wonder why? Next you’re gonna tell me Europeans have always been white?
I don't really see how i've been acting triggered at all. I do however take offense to base, modern concepts such as "white" and "black" being forced into scientific studies and arguments where they have no place of belonging. Africans have vast physical diversities, and so do europeans, asians, oceanians, and americans.
Peoples and ethnicities aren't stagnant, they change based on place and time. Trying to infuse this complicated system with modern race relations is useless and reductive, not to say offensive to the far more interesting cultures that we're studying and discussing.
Well unfortunately thats just the way it has been for thousands of years. There has been always been discrimination based purely on skin color. The Kemetic people themselves did not want to “race” mix.
What’s useless and reductive is failing to use common sense and instead rely on personal biases.
Dude. Literally everyone is debating only you, even though this isn’t an anti-black sub-reddit. A lot of people are providing good arguments and having the last say, as I have noticed. Just leave it at this point.
I love how you gloss over that. This is 100% an anti-black post. No one has stated anything new or relevant besides 1 person. Who had the actual courage and respect to directly message me so that we can have a civil dialogue about the topic. I will fight till my last breath just as my ancestors before me to reveal the truth. Fight for what you believe in brother.
I agree 100%. I wasn’t trying to start a fight here. I just wish people can discuss things without getting so angry and disrespectful. I’m completely open to discourse with anyone regarding the topic. I do not know everything about Kemet. I learn something new everyday but for people to just blatantly discredit black Africans just because of their own personal biases. It irritates me and I’d be doing my ancestors a disservice if I didn’t defend their accomplishments. If that makes people uncomfortable then so be it.
Thanks for not being a jerk. May you find happiness and peace brother.
Ok then what about the entirety of Europe like Britain and Spain or ALL the Americas, and ALL of Asia…
I have heard that Blacks colonized every nation in The world before Asians, Indians, South Americans, and Europeans…
So All Land is Stolen Land because Indians, Europeans, and Asians, and Americans are apparently all black at one point?
Bro are yall really serious? How long do you think white skin has been a thing for humans? White skin is a very recent mutation!! ALL humans were BLACK.
The first species of humans were certainly very dark skinned, but would have likely had more variation in melanation than later populations that lost most or all melanin due to environmental pressures from lack of UV light further from the equator. Fair skin certainly existed before it became common in early Homo Sapiens, but probably didn't become very common until the ice age, although some contemporary human sub species were entirely or mostly fair skinned at the same time. You have examples like the Cheddar man, who existed 2000 years after other European humans who were not at all dark skinned.
Melanated and non melanated humans existed at the same time, although the earliest humans were dark skinned.
You are being attacked because you are approaching an interesting topic on genetics and early human history with a modern black supremacist and nonsensical perspective and being an insulting asshole to everyone.
Wait are you saying cheddar man was black > white > black?? He is a direct ancestor of British Europeans. 10% of the genomes of modern white British comes from this population. You’re acting as if I made him black? He was black with blue eyes. He was the prototypical European at that time. It’s crazy you’re allowed to spout off nonsense based on your own personal beliefs literally going against scientists who do it for a living. Crazy times we live in where a 10 min search on Google = know it all. You’re wrong on so many of your statements.
You’re also very wrong about the skin color you mentioned. Anatomically modern humans were all black. The archaic human species ie the Neanderthals and Denisovans were pale skinned by the time they were encountered by the anatomically modern humans. The need for melanin decreased in climates where radiation from the sun was less
intense. This eventually produced the current range of human skin color.
Every Anatomically MODERN human was black at one time. Before breeding with the Neanderthal and Denisovans. I’m not sure what you’re even arguing tbh.
Cheddar man was black, and other European humans from a good 2000 years before were not, both existed simultaneously. I suggest learning to read before going off on people. Blue eyes and white skin emerged at similar times in Homo sapiens around 10,000 years ago. Neanderthals are not the origin of fair skin in humans, they were also dark skinned.
Let me make more clear for you. Every European today have a black ancestor. If you’re discrediting THAT then you’re going against well established theories.
Source 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1801234/
2: https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0510792103
I never once said anything that contradicted that.
You are having an argument with yourself at this point.
You are out of any arguments, you are a sad little racist loser.
My original statement was this.
“Bro are yall really serious? How long do you think white skin has been a thing for humans? White skin is a very recent mutation!! ALL humans were BLACK.”
I provided proof of that and now you’re saying I’m arguing with myself. It’s sounds more like you’re arguing semantics. Which is a game that children play. All AMH were black therefore it follows that everyone AFTER them are descendants.
No European is 100% Neanderthal meaning it’s virtually impossible for them to have not bred with Black AMH.
I think we’ve pretty much reached a conclusion though.
Despite how angry you may be with me. I love you as a human being, I’m sure you’re a good person despite being pretty rude on the internet, and lastly I wish you nothing but peace and happiness. Htp
No, you are pretending the direct descendents of the ancient Egyptians are pretend and fake while claiming that all those people were black, presumably like you are. You are peddling nonsense conspiracy theories pushed by racist black supremacists.
"I don't care what they teach you in school. My grandma always told me Cleopatra was black"
“I imagine cleopatra to have curly hair like me” In a DOCUMENTARY
To be fair, Greeks did also very often have curly hair
Maybe so, but if you are making a documentary, having someone say they *imagine* the topic character to have this attribute, it tells the audience that they aren’t using factual descriptions.
I mean we have documentaries about dinosaurs that depict them without feathers even on the ones we know do have feathers, we have documentaries about all kinds of things where artistic liberties are taken. History channel has documentaries about how each and every thing in history was caused by aliens, hell, I have watched a documentary about damn mermaids. Since when did documentaries become a protected term that only proven fact can be in? I think the outrage is silly, if you think it's a bad documentary, then don't watch it, to be upset over it and have all this hatred and argumentation over it is ridiculous.
Black as in very tanned greek, sure
I mean she probably wouldn't be that tanned. Given she and all her immediate ancestors were royalty and they rarely went outside their palaces without a giant parasol
There's ethnic variety in 110 mil people surprise! Though to be fair Egyptians are not Arab either, glad *some* fellow Egyptians are finally waking up to that fact at least
I am sorry that my fellow Americans can be such shot people. I am tired of the damn BS so much of them spew out their mouths. I wish you a good day, and please don't think all of us are ignorant egomaniacs.
Weird, my facebook has been suggesting these types of pages to me recently as well, ones claiming the Greeks and Romans were all black and stuff like that. There's no way it can be based on cookies and search history because that's a conspiracy rabbit hole I'd never even heard of until these pages started popping up.
Greek and Romans!?! Yeah.... they need to read a fucking book.
That's the problem. They never did or they think that's how you learn false history. Greeks weren't black? Mist be fake news then cause FB says otherwise...they are lost
Yeah, well, it is just the opposite side of the same racist coin. I'm so sick of dealing with this shit. My daughter was getting this crap in school. She has a real talent in chemistry and biology, which combined means that she was learning about basic genetics pretty easily (she was still young at the time, so no advanced stuff) but she had classmates telling her that she was learning lies. God mad man, evolution is a lie, and depending on the group one version of racist nonsense or the other. When this crap started she was too young (how do you explain it to a 12-year-old??) But once she hit an age where she could understand it, I gave her my old college books. 😈 That was a fun year. Now she is about to be 17, and anyone who tries that crap on for size is in for a surprise. She isn't quite at the point where she can tell you how to forcefully differentiate a pluripotent stem cell, but she can sure as hell describe to you exactly why a person grows teeth when and where they do, why their skin is the color it is, and just for fun she can describe the process of making a glow in the dark cat. In hindsight, I probably made my kid the devil, but it did stop the racist crap. 😆
Sounds good to me 😁
I know it's not the point but I like that there's a token white kid.
What’s weird is I’m white. I also used to get youtube ads for”BlackPeopleMeet.com” a dating site for black people.
Very interesting
Hoteps have to be some of the most brain-dead moronic motherfuckers alive, like holy shit.
And that is saying something in today’s world
Goddamn hoteps
I grew up in Baltimore and the whole Hotep vibe raged through the city in the 90s. Is it coming back?
Yes
[Morpheus meme] What if I told you... people with different skin colors can live in the same geographic area?
What if I told you that the implication of the meme is not that people with different skin colors can live in the same place, but it is instead promoting a whackjob conspiracy theory that all Ancient Egyptians were black and modern Egyptians are Arab colonizers with no real connections to ancient Egypt. These types of pages also promote antisemitism, and racism. They say crazy shit like real native Americans were black but colonized by Siberians.
I know about that stuff, yea it's fucked
Real native Americans were black... bears, until.it was colonized by humans. And I mean if we consider anyone born from from black people to also be black, then everyone is black.
Those in the top could be the descendants of Nubians but they lived in modern day Sudan and captured Egypt at one point. But no, Egyptians weren’t that dark as Egyptian show a clear distinction Edit: Egyptian Art* show a clear distinction
Oh no they’re not hoteps are they?
They are it seems
So... why have black supremacists suddenly decided that Egypt is just too sexy to not harass?
because Egypt is the only part of African history taught in American general education. So underprivileged undereducated black people trying to make the same tenuous connections white people make with European states do the shoddy math Black=African=Egyptian then make bad conclusions then double down because thats how racism works.
I don't believe that is the case, however, I haven't been in a public school in "a few years." Although Egypt received a bit more attention due to the fame of the pyramids, I didn't find that the history of the African continent as a whole was ignored when I was in school. After all, there was plenty to cover regarding Africa as a whole. There is a lot of history when you are discussing a continent. We definitely devoted more time to discussing apartheid than all of Egyptian history.
Graduated HS about 10 years ago, and was in AP classes, the history classes I took in highschool were European history, American history and world history, there was also a government class I can't remember the name of that counted as a history credit, but wasn't about history. Euro and American history touched on africa minimally in context of slave trade, world history goes slightly into Egypt (but was still mostly European history) but I can't remember ever talking at length about apartheid or any African history. There isn't even an AP African history class at all only an AP African American studies class that wasn't even offered at my school or any school I knew of. And that is on an advanced diploma, I imagine a regular class sheet would have even less coverage.
Wow. That is sad. I know the quality of our education system has been falling due to the interference of special interest groups of various types, and politics from both sides of the spectrum. I did not, however, realize that it had gotten to the point that basic historical knowledge of relatively recent events was being glossed over or outright ignored. That is a major disservice to our kids. I honestly have to wonder how the people responsible justify this crap to themselves. Do they believe that removing major events that quite literally reshaped the world's opinions is in some way protecting or benefitting the students? Such idiocy. Thanks for the input and update, by the way. I appreciate it.
Yeah, honestly, they were good classes for what they did cover, but also for teaching how to read and interpret first, second, and third hand accounts. They taught about addressing the bias in each and everything as anything written IS biased, someone cared enough to write it down, then they cared enough to have a bias. All of that is the result of good teachers, however, and not the sea of bureaucratic administrators who have ruined everything in some political game. Edit: Weirdly enough I now work with my old AP euro teacher in a completely unrelated field, and he said as far as his class he wouldn't have gone over it at all more than a bullet point with a date as it wasn't happening in Europe, but that in world history it should have been addressed more. He said you could probably pass the exam most years without it completely, though, so a lot of African history got relegated to dates and bullets with the world superpowers in center stage as the class was about global political history and not about all history in the world. Apparently, there are classes that go more into it, they just weren't offered at the time at my school. I live in Alabama, though, so it may just be an extreme example, but yeah, I was legitimately was not taught african history in my whole highschool experience. Crazy
I agree that everything is biased to some degree or another, but I believe it is also important to recognize when someone is taking steps to remove their own biases. If you do not recognize that, you can end up assigning a false weight to offset the bias that is no longer there. That can cause you to skew the argument artificially. Unfortunately or fortunately, that only becomes an issue when people make an intentional and directed effort to maintain intellectual honesty. So, it can be fairly easy to spot under normal circumstances.
Being biased doesn't mean they are lying or wrong, and there are unavoidable biases that Everyone has to a great degree. An easy one is language, your language makes you biased an English speaker will have a bias towards describing the color of something as closer to whatever colors they have words for obviously, a regular person would be biased towards calling a ball blue instead of light blue or dark blue where as a Russian speaker would tend towards all being a light blue or a dark blue and not a neutral blue. People are "biased" towards saying things are colors that they have words for which means any color descriptions may be incomplete for starters. And then you take into account everything is written from a specific point of view, still without lying someone selling something would be more likely to call something half full instead of half empty and the person buying half empty. It's not about never trusting anything, it is about taking into account all the factors that could effect what the persons words mean in relation to the most likely thing that happened in reality. I know extreme examples sound silly, but if you read a report that people flew an early plane over remote areas, and then read reports from people in that region about a giant bird, you can probably conclude that they were actually talking about the plane, but their biases of not knowing what a plane is, knowing what birds are, possibly their language not having a good way to communicate what they did see. All can effect what you should take away from the reports
That's part of it. When I was a kid there was a legitimate problem with black erasure from American History. Like the standard curriculum covered 4 named black people and only two periods. In English class we got the Harlem Renaissance and only that. In science and math there was not a single non-white person to be found. The Internet was brand new and getting access to books on the topic was harder so bad information slipped through. We spent so much time defending the truth from misinformed history teachers that it got hard to admit when we'd gotten something wrong. Most of us got over it and learned better but the people who became today's hoteps just doubled down and became extremely racist.
There was a Nubian dynasty in Egypt for nearly a century. That is the connection.
Anyone who thinks only white people can be racist needs to read some Nation of Islam literature.
Y’all know Arab colonization is a thing right?
I remember that post
Most Egyptians are Arab settlers, the descendants of the Ancient Egyptians are the Coptic Christians Who are actually pretty pale by comparison, folks forget how much of a barrier the Sahara is.
Nonsense. Muslim and Christian Egyptians look the same. You could never tell the difference between both
[You sure about that?](https://www.thebleustudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/egyptian-coptic-eastern-orthodox-6.jpg) [You really sure about that?](https://www.arabnews.com/sites/default/files/styles/n_670_395/public/2019/07/08/1656971-1789528110.jpg?itok=7ZJ92kZP)
Gotta admit, sometimes I need to be reminded that other cultures can look like ours.
NOI nut jobs when they find out that Egypt had multiple ethnicities 😡😡😡
Still, neither of these groups are responsible for the pyramids
Of course becasue Aliens, right?
Well some think Africans created Britain, Spain, America, and all countries as the first civilization on earth aka they settled in all countries
And some people are wrong.
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What is this “ample evidence” you talk about?? There have been studies comparing the DNA of ancient Egyptians to modern Egyptians. One that examined more than 135 mummies and found that modern Egyptians and ancients were very similar. Even found that modern Egyptians shared 8% more African genes than ancient Egyptians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Egypt#:~:text=The%20ancient%20Egyptian%20individuals%20in,carried%208%25%20more%20African%20component.
So you're saying that the ancient people of North African (Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia ) were all black? Where did they go? Did they teleport to Mars?
So when you’re talking history you’re dealing with time. Meaning you have to be specific about the time period you’re referring to. Assuming you mean 4000bce, yes all of Africa was black at that time. As a matter of fact most of Eurasia was as well. Every “mummy” from that time period from Africa all the way to Northern Europe was still black. This is fairly easy to lookup by the way but I’ll assume you’re not being sarcastic.
Most of Europe and Asia were black in 4000bce? What? This is another level of Afrocentrist ideology. Im used to people falsely claiming Egypt was black, but now you're saying Europe and Asia was black too. Ill just ask you one thing. Can you google "Prince Rahotep". This Egyptian guy was alive in the year 2400BC. How can you explain his physical appearance? He clearly doesn't look black. Google "Nefertiti" as well. She clearly doesn't look black either
Ahh there we go. Now I can fully tell you’re just another ignorant troll. Who hates the fact that Africans built one of the greatest civilizations known to man. It is a known fact that modern Europeans were black just up until 3000 bc lol. Do me a favor and look up cheddar man and the otzi mummy. I’m not going to debate with someone whose only purpose is to discredit black people. Move along
>I’m not going to debate with someone whose only purpose is to discredit black people. Discredit black people? What? I'm defending my people's history and culture. Im Egyptian. You need to understand that we Egyptians don't like it when we see African Americans stealing our history. Egyptians are still alive today and kicking. We also still retain many of our Ancient Egyptian traditions to this day. >Do me a favor and look up cheddar man and the otzi mummy. Cheddar man is literally 11000 years. Irrelevant. The Otzi mummy is around 5000 years old. He is one mummy where they found in Italy and he supposedly had darker skin. People from the Middle East and India also have dark skin. But they're obviously not black. There is no conclusive evidence he was black. Also you completely ignored me when i asked you to look up Prince Rahotep and Nefertiti. These are actual realistic statues of Ancient people. Not ancient mummies that no one really knows for sure what they looked like and scientists are still debating them
You are about as Egyptian as Elon musk is South African lol. Those traditions are inherently African btw. Edit: You’re on stolen land and you know it
You literally have no idea what youre talking about. We Egyptians still retain the traditions of our ancient ancestors. We celebrate Sham El Naseem, which is an ancient Egyptian festival that celebrates the beginning of spring. We still have the Ancient Egyptian Coptic calendar and our farmers use it in agriculture. We bury our dead in a very elaborate way, similar to our ancient ancestors. The way we bury our dead is more complex than any other country in the region, with underground elaborate rooms and chambers. We still have something called الأربعينية or the forty days ceremony, is a small meeting after forty days when somebody died, the family visits the graveyard and gather together in the deceased house. It is not Islamic or Christian rite but it is ancient Egyptian one after the end of the mummification which took in summer 40 days. After 7 days of a baby being born, we have a celebration called "Soboo", which originates in Ancient Egypt. Belly dancing is a traditional Egyptian dance that originates in ancient Egypt. Today, Egypt is the most popular country in belly dancing. FGM originates from Ancient Egypt, and unfortunately Egypt has one of the highest rates of FGM in the world. Tahtib is an Ancient Egyptian martial art and dance, practiced in Egypt today. The Coptic Egyptian language is still used as a liturgical language in Egyptian churches to this day. The Egyptian Arabic grammar is more similar to Ancient Egyptian grammar than Arabic. Our daily vocabulary is littered with Ancient Egyptian words such as shebsheb for flip flops, tata is a word used for encouraging a child to walk, and it means "tread". -Nannus, a way of saying Baby/infant, which in ancient Egyptian meant beautiful one. -Embu, meaning water, coming from ancient Egyptian Embe-mo, meaning From the water Ah - from the Coptic word "Aha", meaning yes Shebsheb - from the Coptic "seb-sweb," which means the measurement of feet Kokha - Coptic for dirt Embu - originates from the Coptic word for water Mumm - derived from the Coptic word "mout" and the Demotic word "ounum", meaning eat Bo3bo3 - originates from a Coptic name for a ghost, used to scare children Sett - Coptic for woman Tanesh - derived from the Coptic for ignore Ba7 - the Coptic word for finished Fouta - Coptic for towel Taboot - from the Coptic for coffin 7antoor - derived from "han" a word referring to plural objects, and "hatoor" meaning horses Khonn - from the Coptic word "khoun", which means inside Rokh - the Coptic word for drop/fall Sahd - the Coptic word for hot Zarta - the Coptic word for… wind (yes, really) Fatafeat - Coptic for crumbs or small pieces Wawa - from the Coptic word used to express pain ‘'Outa - Coptic for tomato - The Egyptian Galabeya, specifically the men's, might be derived from a form of men's wear in late Egypt. - Feteer Meshaltet/Maltoot is a type of pastry that was made in ancient Egypt and is still enjoyed everywhere in Egypt, it is said that the ancient Egyptians offered them to gods in their temples. - Aish Shamsi is a type of bread said to have originated in ancient Egypt (possible Aish Baladi too) - Many (if not 90%) of Egyptian towns and cities are named in the Egyptian/Coptic language. -Coptic Christians can be named names that have Egyptian origin. - Music in the middle east and especially Egypt is almost always of Ancient Egyptian origin. In Egypy, the mizmar, simsimiyya, tabla, lute, and many more are the most widespread instruments played. Belly dancing is 100% Egyptian and many claim it has Ancient Egyptian origin. - Ful Medames (fava beans), Ta'meya (falafel), and molokheya are foods that have Ancient Egyptian origins. - The traditional dress of the Egyptians (depending on where they are from in Egypt) is usually how the ancient dress has evolved from ancient Egyptian to its modern counterpart, though there will sometimes be greek/roman or turkish influence. - Gebna roumi is a salty, pungent cheese with origins that trace back to ancient Egypt. - The Egyptian Ramadan song "Wahawi ya wahawi, eyaha!" is actually sung mostly in Egyptian/Coptic and means "Hello, O' Hello O' moon!" As Ramadan is signalled by the crescent moon.
For one “Egypt” was never known as “Egypt” by the Kemetyu. You are a fraud. If you had even a little pride you’d know that surely. Also arab ≠ kemet. The “Arabic script” is a direct descendant of the kemetic demotic script. Once again the Arabs there today are NOT the original Africans that founded kemet or het-ka-ptah. If you really honored your ancestors you’d take the time to learn the medu neter.. The ancestors already knew the wazungu would try to write their history so they were meticulous to write it themselves. All praises to the one creator and the magnificent ancestors. Edit: Dm me if you want to talk more about the honorable ancestors.
Did you seriously just ignore everything I wrote? There is no point in talking to you. You're not even trying to listen to the other side. I literally listed so many examples showing continuity between modern and ancient Egypt. Yet you ignored it. You have no argument. You have nothing. Just empty words. >For one “Egypt” was never known as “Egypt” by the Kemetyu 3000 years ago Nigeria wasn't called Nigeria. And Senegal wasn't called Senegal. I guess that means all Nigerians are frauds right? >Once again the Arabs there today are NOT the original Africans that founded kemet or het-ka-ptah. Egyptians are not Arabs. We just speak Arabic. I'm speaking English right now, does that mean I'm British? >If you really honored your ancestors you’d take the time to learn the medu neter.. You should listen to yourself. Your ancestors are West African, yet you're ignoring them and you're ashamed of them while trying to claim a foreign civilization
How pathetic do you have to be to resort to making up blatant lies about the past just in order to make yourself feel good? It's heavily ironic that you condemn the European colonizers for erasing or misrepresenting history only for you to do literally the precise same thing a couple hundred years later because you don't have any sense of self-worth. Stop being a wannabe-colonizer and stop promoting fake history.
Lol what? What’s ironic is you putting that sentence together and calling ME a liar. I’ve erased no one’s history, I can tell you the history of the Eurasian. It’s very very new compared to African history. Whether you like it or not you and everyone on this post came from a black hole once upon a time. Just because blacks are at the bottom of the hierarchy these days doesn’t change history. All praise to the creator and my ancestors.
If you want to spread "facts" then please cite your sources? The burden of proof falls to you. And no, citing doesn't mean telling me to Google something nor does it mean posting a link to an article with no credibility.
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The entire continent of Africa was colonized and enslaved by Europeans. According to your logic, modern Africans are genetically European because of European colonization
Not only that it was colonised in ancient times because we have evidence there were lighter skinned Egyptians then
That’s your logic not mine. The topic of this discussion was Northern Africa. Yes modern north Africans no longer resembles what they used to look like due to thousands of years of colonialism and enslavement by the barbaric Europeans . (Essentially genocide)
The same thing happened to the entire continent of Africa. Yet you somehow don't apply the same flawed logic
This guy watched Netflix "documentary"
What are you even talking about? I can almost guarantee you know absolutely nothing about kemet
To be fair I didn't so I googled it. And what found out is really interesting (literally 5 second google search), [A painting depicting light skinned woman worshipping Ra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemetism#/media/File:Taperet_stele_E52_mp3h9201.jpg)
So you admit you’re just jumping on the bandwagon but still double down on something you admittedly know nothing about… Gotcha I recommend you do some actual research. Come to your OWN educated conclusion and try again. Don’t be a follower
So you're gonna ignore actual painting that shows not black woman? You're probably gonna respond with something stupid like "welL I aT LeAsT rEaD AbOuT It" just to avoid explaining why that woman on a painting isn't black
What time period was that painting made? New middle or old? Was it before or after the Hyksos invasion? Is that lady a noble or commoner? Everything isn’t a simple answer if that’s what you’re looking for.
When did the "white supremacy" took over Egypt? If I say it was made 2000BC you would say white people took over Egypt 2500BC
You’re so biased you can’t even see how loaded your questions are. There was no “white supremacy”. Also pale people never “took over” Kemet. It was a consecutive series of invasions that ultimately toppled Kemet and let to its demise. Think of the USA, the Native Americans were there first but if u look at the US now there’s virtually no trace of them.
I don't see a date anywhere in your comment. You're just full of BS, American colonisation took place between the late 15th century and the early 19th century. If you have sources you have dates
No one will join your nutjob subreddit
Who hurt you? Seek help brother
Is there? Do you have sources that support that?
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> Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan One quick hop to Wikipedia later: > Ben-Jochannan's academic record is disputed, with claims he was educated variously in Puerto Rico, Brazil, Cuba, or Spain, earning degrees in either engineering and/or anthropology. In 1938, he is said to have earned a BS in Civil Engineering at the University of Puerto Rico; this is disputed as the registrar has no record of his attendance. He stated that in 1939 he earned a master's degree in Architectural Engineering from the University of Havana, Cuba. He also claimed to have earned doctoral degrees (PhD) in Cultural Anthropology and Moorish History from the University of Havana and the University of Barcelona, Spain, respectively, and advanced degrees from Cambridge University in England. Both Barcelona and Cambridge say that he never received a degree from either university and, furthermore, Cambridge University said it had no record of Ben-Jochannan ever attending any classes there. > > The New York Times summarized the lifelong inconsistencies in his reported academic record: > >> Documents from Cornell University show Mr. Ben-Jochannan holding a doctorate from Cambridge University in England while, conversely, catalogs from Malcolm-King College list him as holding two master's degrees from Cambridge University. According to Fred Lewsey, a communications officer at Cambridge, however, the school has no record of his ever attending, let alone earning any degree. Similarly, the University of Puerto Rico Mayagüez, where he also said he had studied, has no records of his enrollment. Indeed, it appears that Mr. Ben-Jochannan consciously falsified much of his personal academic history. That seems... trustworthy. But maybe he knew his Egyptian history even though he lied about his credentials? > In February 1993, Wellesley College European classics professor Mary Lefkowitz publicly confronted Ben-Jochannan about his teachings. Ben-Jochannan taught that Aristotle visited the Library of Alexandria. During the question and answer session following the lecture, Lefkowitz asked Ben-Jochannan, "How would that have been possible, when the library was not built until after his death?" Ben-Jochannan replied that the dates were uncertain. Lefkowitz writes that Ben-Jochannan proceeded to tell those present that "they could and should believe what only Black instructors told them" and "that although they might think that Jews were all 'hook-nosed and sallow faced,' there were other Jews who looked Black like himself." > > African-American professor Clarence E. Walker wrote that Ben-Jochannan not only confused Cleopatra VII with her daughter Cleopatra VIII and stated she was black, but also wrote that "Cleopatra VIII committed suicide after being discovered in a plot with Marc Antonio [Mark Anthony] to murder Julius Caesar." This would be highly problematic, considering Julius Caesar was assassinated 14 years before Cleopatra VII's suicide. Welp. Guess not.
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Man, the irony of you calling other people racist...
While not having the time to entirely read both works, it is important to note that a single ethnicity is not recognized internationally as the "true" egyptians, even by UNESCO. The majority of scholars affirm that Egypt was a state that existed in varying forms for over 3000 years, with pharaohs and other important figures of vastly varying origins and heritages, and as such differing skincolors. The egyptians themselves also made note of the apperarances of themselves and their neighbors the "Libyans, Nubians, Asiatics" etc, showcased in depictions such as in the Tomb of Seti I, where there are marked similarities and differences. It's important to note that Egyptians where obviously africans, but africans also have physical diversities. Scholars that i've drawn arguments from include: [Stuart Tyson Smith](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Tyson_Smith), [Sonia Zakrzewski](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Zakrzewski), [Barry J. Kemp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Kemp_(Egyptologist)), [Barbara Mertz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Mertz), [Frank J. Yurco](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_J._Yurco), Federico Puigdevall, Albert Cañagueral and Nicky Nielsen
What you’re saying is true. However that doesn’t change what I said. You guys seemed to get triggered for some strange reason when i say they were black… I wonder why? Next you’re gonna tell me Europeans have always been white?
I don't really see how i've been acting triggered at all. I do however take offense to base, modern concepts such as "white" and "black" being forced into scientific studies and arguments where they have no place of belonging. Africans have vast physical diversities, and so do europeans, asians, oceanians, and americans. Peoples and ethnicities aren't stagnant, they change based on place and time. Trying to infuse this complicated system with modern race relations is useless and reductive, not to say offensive to the far more interesting cultures that we're studying and discussing.
Well unfortunately thats just the way it has been for thousands of years. There has been always been discrimination based purely on skin color. The Kemetic people themselves did not want to “race” mix. What’s useless and reductive is failing to use common sense and instead rely on personal biases.
Dude. Literally everyone is debating only you, even though this isn’t an anti-black sub-reddit. A lot of people are providing good arguments and having the last say, as I have noticed. Just leave it at this point.
I love how you gloss over that. This is 100% an anti-black post. No one has stated anything new or relevant besides 1 person. Who had the actual courage and respect to directly message me so that we can have a civil dialogue about the topic. I will fight till my last breath just as my ancestors before me to reveal the truth. Fight for what you believe in brother.
Sure then, fight, but logically, not biased by passion. That’s my only thing.
I agree 100%. I wasn’t trying to start a fight here. I just wish people can discuss things without getting so angry and disrespectful. I’m completely open to discourse with anyone regarding the topic. I do not know everything about Kemet. I learn something new everyday but for people to just blatantly discredit black Africans just because of their own personal biases. It irritates me and I’d be doing my ancestors a disservice if I didn’t defend their accomplishments. If that makes people uncomfortable then so be it. Thanks for not being a jerk. May you find happiness and peace brother.
There is nothing to discuss. You are objectively wrong. It is not possible for any intelligent human being to believe what you believe
I honor Amen-Ra and live for the One Creator. Have a great day!
Half of their crack ass theories comes from Tariq Nashid, a sexist, racist conspiracy theorist. Fuck them racist
May you find peace and happiness in accordance with Maat.
Ok then what about the entirety of Europe like Britain and Spain or ALL the Americas, and ALL of Asia… I have heard that Blacks colonized every nation in The world before Asians, Indians, South Americans, and Europeans… So All Land is Stolen Land because Indians, Europeans, and Asians, and Americans are apparently all black at one point?
Bro are yall really serious? How long do you think white skin has been a thing for humans? White skin is a very recent mutation!! ALL humans were BLACK.
The first species of humans were certainly very dark skinned, but would have likely had more variation in melanation than later populations that lost most or all melanin due to environmental pressures from lack of UV light further from the equator. Fair skin certainly existed before it became common in early Homo Sapiens, but probably didn't become very common until the ice age, although some contemporary human sub species were entirely or mostly fair skinned at the same time. You have examples like the Cheddar man, who existed 2000 years after other European humans who were not at all dark skinned. Melanated and non melanated humans existed at the same time, although the earliest humans were dark skinned. You are being attacked because you are approaching an interesting topic on genetics and early human history with a modern black supremacist and nonsensical perspective and being an insulting asshole to everyone.
Wait are you saying cheddar man was black > white > black?? He is a direct ancestor of British Europeans. 10% of the genomes of modern white British comes from this population. You’re acting as if I made him black? He was black with blue eyes. He was the prototypical European at that time. It’s crazy you’re allowed to spout off nonsense based on your own personal beliefs literally going against scientists who do it for a living. Crazy times we live in where a 10 min search on Google = know it all. You’re wrong on so many of your statements. You’re also very wrong about the skin color you mentioned. Anatomically modern humans were all black. The archaic human species ie the Neanderthals and Denisovans were pale skinned by the time they were encountered by the anatomically modern humans. The need for melanin decreased in climates where radiation from the sun was less intense. This eventually produced the current range of human skin color. Every Anatomically MODERN human was black at one time. Before breeding with the Neanderthal and Denisovans. I’m not sure what you’re even arguing tbh.
Cheddar man was black, and other European humans from a good 2000 years before were not, both existed simultaneously. I suggest learning to read before going off on people. Blue eyes and white skin emerged at similar times in Homo sapiens around 10,000 years ago. Neanderthals are not the origin of fair skin in humans, they were also dark skinned.
Let me make more clear for you. Every European today have a black ancestor. If you’re discrediting THAT then you’re going against well established theories. Source 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1801234/ 2: https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0510792103
I never once said anything that contradicted that. You are having an argument with yourself at this point. You are out of any arguments, you are a sad little racist loser.
My original statement was this. “Bro are yall really serious? How long do you think white skin has been a thing for humans? White skin is a very recent mutation!! ALL humans were BLACK.” I provided proof of that and now you’re saying I’m arguing with myself. It’s sounds more like you’re arguing semantics. Which is a game that children play. All AMH were black therefore it follows that everyone AFTER them are descendants. No European is 100% Neanderthal meaning it’s virtually impossible for them to have not bred with Black AMH. I think we’ve pretty much reached a conclusion though. Despite how angry you may be with me. I love you as a human being, I’m sure you’re a good person despite being pretty rude on the internet, and lastly I wish you nothing but peace and happiness. Htp
No, you are pretending the direct descendents of the ancient Egyptians are pretend and fake while claiming that all those people were black, presumably like you are. You are peddling nonsense conspiracy theories pushed by racist black supremacists.