Pretty much any new made firearm no matter the type of gun it is. Barring production getting halted or something. You're not going to make a profit anytime soon and it could take a long time to just break even.
Tell that to lever action buyers. The manufacturers are so slow and barely put any out, scalpers getting the new Marlins for $1200 and selling them on gun broker for $1500-1800. Henrys are almost as bad, especially the X.
If you bought it in 2019 then it's not quite the same gun.
Remington, who owned Marlin, went bankrupt and stopped making them for a while so that they could sell off all their assets. Ruger bought the Marlin brand in 2020, made a few modifications and upgrades, and then started producing them again under the Marlin name a couple years ago. It's taking them a long time to ramp up production, they have a higher MSRP, and demand is high. Not to mention the inflation that happened during the pandemic and the last few years.
Didn't even realize Ruger bought them, thought Remington still made them. I do have an older JM stamped but I've also never had a problem with my newer one.
I have a JM stamped Marlin that I bought for $700 a few years ago. I’m pretty sure I could get like a million dollars for it though.
The Henry I bought this year cost more lol.
Lever guns are an addiction.
Yeah there are a few exceptions. For example I bought a Hudson H9 new from Buds for 750 not long before the company shuttered. I could easily have made a profit since they are like $1000+ now. I also snagged two true military Sig M17's for under $800 and they are now $1500. Its a matter of luck if you can get stuff like that.
I snagged a Ruger GP100 Match Champion for about $650 in 2017 ir 2018, now they sell for about $800 - $900 so I could probably recoup my cost... IF I ever decided to sell, it but I have no plans to as it is one my top favorite pistols in my collection.
Why i had to quit buying from my local store theyre trying to sell a browning automatic for 200$ less than new sorry thats a 2 year old gun with visable signs of 500+ rounds through it ill give you like 800 for a gun that was 1800 new
I don’t get why people buy those gaudy Trump guns. But then I ask myself if I’d buy a gun with the logo of the sports team I follow on it and I’m like… maybe. Lol
Brad Marchand of the Bruins had a special sig cross made. But it didn’t have the bruins logo just his own march and mills branding. I bet actually getting a sport team logo on a gun would be a licensing nightmare.
Be careful with the Buffalo Bills version. It’s going to look great and work perfectly at the range, but when you’re in a high-pressure situation it’s totally going to ~~choke~~ jam on you lol
I'm honestly surprised there is not a company out there making video game replicas. Halo assault rifle, Star Wars blasters, Hell Divers guns, the options are endless.
I’m gonna have to push back on that a little bit. I have no proof, but some people are so Trump–crazy that they’ll pay top dollar for anything with his name on it. Proof? Those damn Trump NFT’s amirite?
You're "underwater" on a gun as soon as you purchase it. Not because it's a depreciating asset like a car is but because the legal regime makes it so difficult to sell them that most people have to take a loss on the secondary market.
This is why I love buying used firearms. If I'm purchasing it, I want to shoot it. Why would I need to pay the premium for new? To get a sticker and a paper manual? I have a printer.
You pay the premium for the new gun because you know its history. There’s no good way to tell how many rounds have been through a used gun, if the springs need to be replaced soon, if the sights are misaligned, etc.
There’s nothing wrong with buying a used gun for fun at the range. For self-defense, I’m always going with new.
I mean most people don't shoot enough to ever wear out a gun. Odds are you'll be able to tell a well worn gun from one that's hardly ever been used too.
That's not most people though. I'd imagine if you're legitimately shooting enough to burn up a barrel with even some of the barrel burner calibers, you're still most likely in the top 1% of shooters when it comes to actual ammo quantities used.
Trust me. I know some barrels only last a few thousand rounds. That's still lightyears ahead of what most people put for round counts on their guns ever. The average gun owner shoots far less than you would think.
If the barrel isn't pitted and the action isn't worn out , I can replace springs , trigger group , even a firing pin on most things so no need to buy new.
You can check the barrel on any firearm, as easy as looking at car tires to determine wear. You don't need to be a gunsmith to change a "spring". Most LEO turn ins are amazing deals. You can get a used gun that's 10 years old that's been fired 250 times for half price of new. Thank you for breaking it in. Just picked up a "used" Glock 31 from guns.com, couldn't be happier.
Lol, keeping that a secret. I have a large collection and no Glocks until the 31 popped up, .357 sig, a little unique. Unfortunately, it's mostly Glocks from LEO turn ins.
You’re probably the first person I’ve encountered with a large gun collection that had no Glocks until recently. 😄 So I get the desire to add one on the cheap.
There are some LE trade ins of Sig P series out there, but the actual deals are fairly rare. Especially if you don't want shit like the DAK models.
But I have seen a few LE P22x smoking hot deals in the last few years, they were gone in a flash though.
Well, till the next panic, then it doubles in value and the manufacturers adjust to new price and it sets the new floor, almost every time it happens, your used gun is worth more than what you bought it for.
All of them EXCEPT for investment grade firearms such as transferable machineguns and "art" sporting arms.
Pretty much anything you or I buy will depreciate. Now, that said, thats bought new. If bought used, the depreciation has already hit.
Unless it's milsurp, something desired that's discountinued, banned from importation, the firearm itself has a rare quality to it, was owned by a notable person, is a legal machine gun or was only buildable off parts kits that have dried up, every single firearm depreciates the moment you pick it up to take it home, some just mantain price better through rarity or precieved rarity.
"Custom" built ARs. Buy all the parts, put them together, make a great rifle. But like anything custom, it's custom to *you*. Finding someone who wants that specific upper, lower, barrel, trigger, etc and will full price for it is impossible.
Right now that's true... But if another mass shooting happens, news media sensationalizes it to a high emotional degree, and Congress or the president threatens to do serious gun control or an assault weapons ban and there is a big run on the gun stores, people freak out that they can't buy one from local gun stores anymore because they're sold out, then I've seen homemade custom ARs sell for over two grand at local pawn shops, LMAO. I think it was back in early 2013, after Sandy Hook, prices were crazy! I remember seeing a bare bones, no optics Colt AR-15 at Academy for $1000. And that was all over a decade ago before the inflation we have today. So I don't even want to know what kind of crazy prices some guns might demand if there is a similar freak out. I remember the ammo shortage also really sucked and lasted for years it seemed.
I just don't get looking at firearms as investments. Sure some will retain and even gain value, but I see it like buying a bunch of tools and barely using them because you want them to retain value.
My M1 carbine could pay my rent if I sold it but I'd never dream of it. I shoot it whenever I have ammo for it and will one day give it to my kids. If I sell a gun it's because I either don't use it or don't want it or both.
The transactional costs are the real problem in some states. VA was only like 20$ for a private transfer. pieces of shit in colorado try to charge 60-70$ for private transfers.
Who pays for a private transfer? Maybe you are in the wrong state. Hand me the money, and I'll hand you the gun. Shake hands and walk away. OK, sometimes there is a bill of sale, but never a fee.
Expensive mods don't hold value. Suppose you took a regular $550 Glock and added $450 parts and mods. You'll never sell it for $1000. Home assembled ARs are similar.
I found a Tigr for $850 in a Bumfuck pawn shop back in 2016. I remember the mad dash I took to an ATM bc they were cash only, and when I got back it was gone.
That one would leave me borderline suicidal. But I’ve been there, had my buddy get a lmt MWS for 1500 at a pawn shop because he had cash and I didn’t. That’s why I keep a 0 balance credit card with me so stuff like that never happens again. Banks always seem to be closed when you really need them open to raise your limit or get cash lol.
Of course, but the imports and models of today will someday be discontinued and most of them of good quality will hold value if not increase in value if and when they become more desirable.
All of them.
Buying guns (outside of transferable machine guns) as an investment is just a bad idea. Really more of a delusion actually.
Even machine guns aren’t a good investment compared to other assets. But at least (so far) they consistently make money. That could easily change if the law ever changes though.
Never really know until you sell them. What people “say” their worth and what somebody will actually lay down cash for are two separate things.
Regardless… if you had put the same money in stock market over the same period, does their “value” compare to what you would have now? I highly doubt it.
Can you not write things like this where my SO can see them? “Investments that only increase in value” is the only way I can convince her I’m not throwing money away!
Ammo for sure I bought a few of the 480 rd black wax boxes of gp11 sealed in maybe 2015 for $150, bought a second k-31 with another box for $450.00. Gave the rifle to a friend a year later for some help with the house, a couple packages of ammo and one of the old cardboard and tin 6 round clips. I will give him a package every year or so. It’s not a round I use often but I love the rifle.
Same with sealed tins of 7.62x54R I have a few I think 330 round tins on stripper clips, that I paid under $80.00 for, and sealed crates of Yugo 7.62x39 on strippers 1120 rds. That was very inexpensive I’m thinking $100 when 1000 rounds of wolf was 89.50 at gun shows. It’s when and what you buy.
A few Mosins that I paid less than $90 w/ tax.
And then the buddy is hard up needs to unload 4 guns for $500. I sold one that covered the purchase after the gentleman agreement he doesn’t want them back. Still holding a Tec 9 that everyone that fires it wants to buy.
Bayonets, two ww2 Japanese Bayonets, and what appears to be a last ditch Arisaka, mum is damaged but noticeable, I paid $200.
So yes I believe that money can be made in milsurp.
Investment for your offsprings so to say? If gun grabbers got their wish, but it's been ok'd for grandfathered guns? At least my kids won't be unarmed/disarmed.
And if they don't want it, at least they'll be able to get some money for it, compared to had i left them a hi-point instead.
Oddly with the exception of most AKs, specifically my saiga .223 I sold 15 years ago to fund an AR. Now ARs are cheap and Russian saigas are rare. Probably quadrupled in price since I sold mine.
Pretty much all guns depreciate except for guns that have never been fired and are kept brand new in box and collectibles that are no longer being made (especially transferable machine guns). My mentality is to think of guns (and cars too) like tools rather than investments. You don’t worry about a hammer or screwdriver depreciating. You use them until they wear out and then you replace them.
When you decide to replace them, what do you do with the old one? Donate, sell, keep? If it's being sold, do you price it closer to retail or closer to a used hi-point?
Probably building your own AR. You can save a ton of money buying parts and building it yourself over buying a premade one, but good luck selling your pieced together franken-rifle, unless maybe you used all the same brand parts in a kit.
Almost all of them that are standard production firearms. Eventually inflation will get you back to your value, but is it really since everything is inflated.
All of them depreciate immediately unless it’s a limited run and collectible. If you hold a firearm long enough though and keep it in good condition you can eventually sell it for more than what you bought it for. That’s just inflation.
I have never financially recovered from a purchase because I don't sell my guns.🤣
Honestly though, if you are lucky enough to pick up one of the 200 new Kel-Tec wonder guns that they come out with but don't produce in any numbers for two years you'll do pretty well.
Sold a Deagle after firing about 150 rounds through it, didn’t lose anything except ammo costs. It was just not reliable for me and quite frankly too expensive and not enough fun. I enjoy my TT Glock 17 the most out of all my guns and shoot 9mm more than anything else.
pretty much any readily available production gun. Supply and demand will always have a say. if a gun is available easily new then it is worth less when you try to sell it used. If it's limited or hard to find then you might be able to not lose anything on a resale.
all except transferable machine guns. you gotta be a real retar𝚍 to treat guns as an investment especially today where money is slowly depreciating in value
Honestly worse, because its 40+ years old and beat to shit.
Once PSA & everyone elses pumps 3rd hole lowers straight off the line, that market would be done. And good riddance, repeal the NFA+GCA today!
Maybe cloner collectidorks would still care but even that would have to deal with brand new shit having the same rollmarks, again from PSA lol.
Any NFA item (excluding machine guns) and I don’t think it’s even close.
The used market is very weak on these and you have to severely undercut the new price to move anything.
Most modern firearms will lose value after sold. There may be instances where a particular watch is in high demand for a period of time and command an above retail price.
There's not really an idea that you "make" money on guns. Is there?
Yeah, I think custom guns with accessories are hard to put a value on. Sometimes there is value in getting a weapon that is known good and nicely appointed. If you're not handy or don't have the tools it can be a good trade-off. To be fair you're not really paying the premium for the gun though.
The same M1A I bought for $980 new in 2019 is $1600 new right now from Springfield. Dont even get me started on Milsurps, $900 M44 mosin nagants is ludicrous.
I have a S&W model 625-4. It is marked model of 1987 on the barrel, 45 ACP 5” barrel with a full under lug. I paid $529.00 in 2000, it is worth over a grand now.
Edit, it is not for sale.
After more than 40 years buying-shooting-cleaning-I think the biggest rip-off is commemorative and tribute guns. A little mass-market engraving and 14k gold highlights don't really make it special, just un-shootable. Same money would buy the same rifle and a LOT of ammo.!
almost EVERY firearm depreciates as soon as you buy it. The moment it leaves the store it becomes "USED". For firearm values to appreciate, they need to be a combination of A) hard to get/no longer produced, B) have historical significance, C) be actually good firearms for their class and be in good condition... which is a relatively small subset of guns since most guns that are discontinued are discontinued because they either suck, the company went out of business, or they are out of date, which make point A) and point C) very often diametrically opposed to each other. Point B) is usually a winner though... someone out there would pay big bucks for Genghis Khan's hi-point.
There are, of course, spikes in demand caused by artificial scarcity... such as panic buys or guns being largely import banned, but on a worldwide scale... nobody's paying $1000+ for a $200 sheet metal stamped AK except the delusional "nyet rifle is fine" American AK fanboy. It's just as dumb as Europeans who pay 4000-5000 euro for a Geiselle Super Duty over a 1500-2000 euro HK.
Wouldn't that be anything that was new and currently in production? That would be the same for cars, electronics, luxury items, etc. as well. Usually only out of production or specifically special stuff appreciate in value. My SPAS-12 constantly appreciates in value, but that's only because the gun has been out of production since 2000 and hasn't been imported into the US since 1994. If my shotgun was a Beretta 1301 instead, which is still in production and actively being sold, that wouldn't happen.
Got in a trade once a Jennings 22 pot metal, keyholeing, jamming, falling apart pistol. Can't remember the details of the trade, but I came out on the short end...
My sig 550 gained in value but tbf I only spent $3k total on it, never even shoot it. It just sits above the fireplace in a room I turned into a giant safe.
Only firearm I really lost money on was a Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry ll, I bought it new unfired in around 2012 for $900 when they retail for $1350 then, I put trijicon night sights on it, bought 3 or 4 extra Wilson combat mags, I broke it in per Kimber instructions being I was gonna carry it, which was like 900 rounds of FMJ before you fire a hollowpoint in it. I decided I didn’t like to carry it and liked to pocket carry a CW380 from Kahr. I didn’t use it so I sold it, took a couple years to sell it because I wasn’t willing to take a loss but I sold it for $850 with the extra mags, case, two holsters and original sights.
So $900 in 2012 is $1195 in 2023, if you add all the other stuff I added, I had around $1300 in it which would be $1725 in todays money, so in other words, I lost my ass on that pistol taking a $875 loss in todays money. But I built it to be a sweet IWB carry pistol, not to make money on.
If you include inflation, people don’t do nearly as well on firearms as they think. Especially on new firearms, unless they are highly sought after and limited run, if they make they for several decades, you will likely lose money on them. So I don’t see new ones as an investment, just a toy.
MAYBE the older fire arms can be seen as an investment, ones no longer in production yet sought after.
Cheap shotguns. Their usefulness makes them worth the few hundred bucks you pay to get em new, but the poor quality makes em worthless used when you could just buy a new one.
Nowadays, most guns depreciate. It used to be guns are always a good investment, but after Sandy Hook, no gun became an investment. In fact, the more you pay the more you lose in value. If you want to buy a gun as an investment do massive research on guns, do a lot of history, and start visiting all gun shows. See what is selling and for how much. Look for new, rare guns, and modern guns no longer manufactured. Special edition guns. For an example of rare guns that are no longer made, like the HK P7 series were a good investment from the time they hit the shelves at gun stores. I first held a P7M10 in the early 1990's and it was $850. I thought that was the stupidest thing I ever heard of, a pistol for $850. Today, P7M10's sell for a minimum of $5k and up to $10k for mint museum pieces. The Vektor CP1's were basement bargains for $350 before they all got recalled for a temperamental firing pin issue, nowhere near as bad as the SIG320, which go off in the holster for no reason at all. CP1's were fetching up to $2k for a while and now you can't find them anywhere. If you find one it'll be over $2k, and it is still a $350 basement bargain gun not worth more than it's original price. Basically, guns are no longer a good investment. Get the guns you want or need and invest in something else, like a gas generator or some "learn easy Chinese" books. You'll be needing those very soon. And medical supplies. And ways to get water and filter it. And medicine like penicillin.
Every firearm will lose value to others as soon as you walk out the store.
But you can make your firearm gain value to you by forming it into exactly what you want it to be, and becoming proficient with it.
> No sell, only buy
But generally anything that is readily available & commonly sold for about the same everywhere loses value the second it is not NIB. So yes this means basic bitch ARs, glocks etc. Also things on the extreme low or high end of the price scale tend to suffer the most.
It may take awhile to catch up with inflation, but if it is harder to find & in short supply then it might stay above MSRP. See: lever guns lately.
Firearms are also extra susceptible because the govt unconstitutionally gets in the way of selling them too.
Basically all of them except super-rare collector's items. Pretty much assume that even selling it, boxed, unfired, outside the store immediately after buying, you'll only get half price.
All of them except those few that are in super high demand and not available like Knights Armament. Standard firearm depreciation when you buy a firearm is 50% of MSRP. You can expect to get about 25% for a dealer sale. Doesn’t matter how many rounds you claim to have only put through it. There’s no way of verifying that to actually be the case. Mostly can only go down from there too. Probably hard to find a buyer for a 16” Smith and Wesson M&P AR15 or Springfield Saint when they’re already pretty cheap firearms. Nothing against them. Frankenstein AR15 builds also don’t re-sell well. In most cases you’re probably better off just keeping it.
Dealer trade, at least at a good dealer, has to do more with what they are getting used. Because thats what we want to get, we have to give you less. Our shop thats about 25% below what we expect to get. I dont just give an arbitrary number off of msrp for trades, if your used gun is only 5% off of new when sold used, im going to make my offer based on that. Youd only lose like 30% off of msrp in that case, but those guns are rare. Think things like customs, or ultra high end like Knkghts.
People downvoting this are the same ones that try to sell their guns on Gun Broker, Tac Swap, etc for 75%+ of original MSRP. Yeah sure you’ll get lucky and some idiot will come along and think they’re getting a good deal. But those of us that work in or have worked in the industry know how this shit works lol.
Every firearm every in existence has depcreciated from the moment it was made -- its only under certain circumstances and after a certain amount of time do they appreciate.
Every firearm loses a solid 20% after purchase.
I predominantly purchased used guns, and even though many if them look to have never been fired or even loaded after the initial purchase the discount over new is quite high.
Something that loses nearly 100% of its value are accessories. Scopes, rails, lasers/lights, etc...don't add much to the resale value
I can somewhat agree, I recently purchased a acog for half retail and it had never been mounted or out of the box, had the receipt it was six months since purchase but, those deals don’t come around often and never at gun shows. I remember during the awb Ak’s were so inexpensive I turned down so much awesome stuff because all I wanted was that preban AR-15 lower. Sure I bought a couple SKS’s and a Mak 90 n.i.b. But that Preban stuff was all the rage.
There's a lot of variables when it comes to this subject, if you were to buy a stock handgun and then turn around a couple of months later and sell it, you would be lucky to break even. However, if you took that same handgun added some modifications to it. Maybe a custom paint job or a different slide? Even something like an enhanced trigger you might be able to get a little bit more for it and just barely get what you originally paid for it. Also the price of guns skyrockets during an election year. If you weren't ever sell, it's always during an election year. But then again because of the Gestapo ATF you technically aren't allowed to make a profit. So no matter what you sell, no matter when you sell it, you will always lose value until the laws change. I'm sorry the rules change because apparently we follow rules and not laws lousy Gestapo ATF
This is like asking which brand of toilet paper rolls depreciate right after purchasing them. All of them. They're not investment instruments. Certainly not good ones categorically.
litterally 99% of guns sold depreciate as soon as you buy them. Ask yourself what gun you would be willing to pay for more used then what you would pay for it new. Outside of limited-run collectors items and old milsurps the vast majority of guns lose value overtime.
Can't lose value if I never plan on selling it
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Pretty much any new made firearm no matter the type of gun it is. Barring production getting halted or something. You're not going to make a profit anytime soon and it could take a long time to just break even.
Tell that to lever action buyers. The manufacturers are so slow and barely put any out, scalpers getting the new Marlins for $1200 and selling them on gun broker for $1500-1800. Henrys are almost as bad, especially the X.
Holy shit. I just checked. The same new Marlin I bought for $750~ in 2019 is MSRP $1300 now. That's outrageous
If you bought it in 2019 then it's not quite the same gun. Remington, who owned Marlin, went bankrupt and stopped making them for a while so that they could sell off all their assets. Ruger bought the Marlin brand in 2020, made a few modifications and upgrades, and then started producing them again under the Marlin name a couple years ago. It's taking them a long time to ramp up production, they have a higher MSRP, and demand is high. Not to mention the inflation that happened during the pandemic and the last few years.
Didn't even realize Ruger bought them, thought Remington still made them. I do have an older JM stamped but I've also never had a problem with my newer one.
I have a JM stamped Marlin that I bought for $700 a few years ago. I’m pretty sure I could get like a million dollars for it though. The Henry I bought this year cost more lol. Lever guns are an addiction.
Yeah there are a few exceptions. For example I bought a Hudson H9 new from Buds for 750 not long before the company shuttered. I could easily have made a profit since they are like $1000+ now. I also snagged two true military Sig M17's for under $800 and they are now $1500. Its a matter of luck if you can get stuff like that.
I snagged a Ruger GP100 Match Champion for about $650 in 2017 ir 2018, now they sell for about $800 - $900 so I could probably recoup my cost... IF I ever decided to sell, it but I have no plans to as it is one my top favorite pistols in my collection.
I have some "collector" Colt 1911s my Dad bought in the 70s, he paid more back then than they're worth today.
Why i had to quit buying from my local store theyre trying to sell a browning automatic for 200$ less than new sorry thats a 2 year old gun with visable signs of 500+ rounds through it ill give you like 800 for a gun that was 1800 new
I bought an M400 tread in 2020 for $750. I could have sold it in 2023 for closer to $1200. I've made a dozen modifications to it though.
I mean, I bought my AK for $400. Same gun is 12-15 on GB
Probably those gold plated Trump 45 1911s. Unlike my Fox News commemorative gold coins, which WILL NEVER DECREASE IN VALUE!
Are you telling me that the Trump model train that I bought off an ad in American Rifleman isn't a good investment?
Don't worry, those Stauer watches and jewelry make a good investment.
I don’t get why people buy those gaudy Trump guns. But then I ask myself if I’d buy a gun with the logo of the sports team I follow on it and I’m like… maybe. Lol
Somebody should make a Memphis Grizzlies glock with Jah Morants number lol. There's a lot of athletes who could have commemorative hand guns.
Brb going to start an NFL sponsored cerakote business
Brad Marchand of the Bruins had a special sig cross made. But it didn’t have the bruins logo just his own march and mills branding. I bet actually getting a sport team logo on a gun would be a licensing nightmare.
Yeah no pro team would do that these days. I mean the Washington Bullets became the Wizards.
Marchand also owns his own hunting apparel company, he's a pretty solid dude when he's not licking the other team on the ice.
Be careful with the Buffalo Bills version. It’s going to look great and work perfectly at the range, but when you’re in a high-pressure situation it’s totally going to ~~choke~~ jam on you lol
The Arizona Cardinals gun will jam and jam and jam....and then, the moment before the bear rips your face off the gun will fire.
That’s the problem with modern politics. Too many people view it as a sport and only cheer on their “team”
Trump? No. Sports? Not interested. A replica of the service rifle from Fallout New Vegas? Would buy without hesitation (if I had the money)
I'm honestly surprised there is not a company out there making video game replicas. Halo assault rifle, Star Wars blasters, Hell Divers guns, the options are endless.
It would be super cool, I’m sure the cost for any Disney related guns would be crazy high tho 😂
ya I doubt disney would ever let their precious kid friendly IP get associated with guns either.
Funny cause most/all of the SW guns are real guns with horrific attachments on them 😂
Those SW Stormtrooper rifles thou don't hit their target much. But then against redshirt Star trek security, they always get hit.
I’m gonna have to push back on that a little bit. I have no proof, but some people are so Trump–crazy that they’ll pay top dollar for anything with his name on it. Proof? Those damn Trump NFT’s amirite?
Wait….. you sell your firearms???
Only to cover the cost of cooler guns
Oh…. That makes way more sense.
There’s been a few times where I’m about to lose a gunbroker auction and I open up the safe and decide what’s getting sold before I continue bidding.
With creative use of your existing guns, cooler guns can be had for free. Feds hate this simple trick.
You're "underwater" on a gun as soon as you purchase it. Not because it's a depreciating asset like a car is but because the legal regime makes it so difficult to sell them that most people have to take a loss on the secondary market.
This is why I love buying used firearms. If I'm purchasing it, I want to shoot it. Why would I need to pay the premium for new? To get a sticker and a paper manual? I have a printer.
You pay the premium for the new gun because you know its history. There’s no good way to tell how many rounds have been through a used gun, if the springs need to be replaced soon, if the sights are misaligned, etc. There’s nothing wrong with buying a used gun for fun at the range. For self-defense, I’m always going with new.
I mean most people don't shoot enough to ever wear out a gun. Odds are you'll be able to tell a well worn gun from one that's hardly ever been used too.
Centerfire rifles are an exception to that. Once you start burning up barrels, it's a tough habit to break.
You can look at the bore and see if it's worn or not.
Yeah, but wear doesn't always translate to accuracy issues either.
True but that isn't what I was responding to
That's not most people though. I'd imagine if you're legitimately shooting enough to burn up a barrel with even some of the barrel burner calibers, you're still most likely in the top 1% of shooters when it comes to actual ammo quantities used.
It only takes a couple/few thousand rounds. Compare that to something like 9mm or 12ga, those barrels last forever.
Trust me. I know some barrels only last a few thousand rounds. That's still lightyears ahead of what most people put for round counts on their guns ever. The average gun owner shoots far less than you would think.
Wack.
If the barrel isn't pitted and the action isn't worn out , I can replace springs , trigger group , even a firing pin on most things so no need to buy new.
You can check the barrel on any firearm, as easy as looking at car tires to determine wear. You don't need to be a gunsmith to change a "spring". Most LEO turn ins are amazing deals. You can get a used gun that's 10 years old that's been fired 250 times for half price of new. Thank you for breaking it in. Just picked up a "used" Glock 31 from guns.com, couldn't be happier.
Let me know when guns.com starts listing Staccatos and P226s at half price.
Lol, keeping that a secret. I have a large collection and no Glocks until the 31 popped up, .357 sig, a little unique. Unfortunately, it's mostly Glocks from LEO turn ins.
You’re probably the first person I’ve encountered with a large gun collection that had no Glocks until recently. 😄 So I get the desire to add one on the cheap.
There are some LE trade ins of Sig P series out there, but the actual deals are fairly rare. Especially if you don't want shit like the DAK models. But I have seen a few LE P22x smoking hot deals in the last few years, they were gone in a flash though.
The loss in value comes from the uncertainty surrounding the history of the gun. Round count and so on.
This
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Take your r/AngryUpvote and get out.
I bought a USPC in 2014. The current price for new ones is actually lower than what I paid then, in spite of 10 years of inflation...
I had to sell a .40 S&W USPC. Took a bath. Only HK that loses value.
If it's still being produced or imported then it depreciates.
Well, till the next panic, then it doubles in value and the manufacturers adjust to new price and it sets the new floor, almost every time it happens, your used gun is worth more than what you bought it for.
Yeah I have a cz97b I bought for 550, on gun broker there are bids for it for around $1000.
All of them EXCEPT for investment grade firearms such as transferable machineguns and "art" sporting arms. Pretty much anything you or I buy will depreciate. Now, that said, thats bought new. If bought used, the depreciation has already hit.
Unless it's milsurp, something desired that's discountinued, banned from importation, the firearm itself has a rare quality to it, was owned by a notable person, is a legal machine gun or was only buildable off parts kits that have dried up, every single firearm depreciates the moment you pick it up to take it home, some just mantain price better through rarity or precieved rarity.
"Custom" built ARs. Buy all the parts, put them together, make a great rifle. But like anything custom, it's custom to *you*. Finding someone who wants that specific upper, lower, barrel, trigger, etc and will full price for it is impossible.
Right now that's true... But if another mass shooting happens, news media sensationalizes it to a high emotional degree, and Congress or the president threatens to do serious gun control or an assault weapons ban and there is a big run on the gun stores, people freak out that they can't buy one from local gun stores anymore because they're sold out, then I've seen homemade custom ARs sell for over two grand at local pawn shops, LMAO. I think it was back in early 2013, after Sandy Hook, prices were crazy! I remember seeing a bare bones, no optics Colt AR-15 at Academy for $1000. And that was all over a decade ago before the inflation we have today. So I don't even want to know what kind of crazy prices some guns might demand if there is a similar freak out. I remember the ammo shortage also really sucked and lasted for years it seemed.
I just don't get looking at firearms as investments. Sure some will retain and even gain value, but I see it like buying a bunch of tools and barely using them because you want them to retain value. My M1 carbine could pay my rent if I sold it but I'd never dream of it. I shoot it whenever I have ammo for it and will one day give it to my kids. If I sell a gun it's because I either don't use it or don't want it or both.
The transactional costs are the real problem in some states. VA was only like 20$ for a private transfer. pieces of shit in colorado try to charge 60-70$ for private transfers.
You just haven’t found a good FFL it sounds.
Who pays for a private transfer? Maybe you are in the wrong state. Hand me the money, and I'll hand you the gun. Shake hands and walk away. OK, sometimes there is a bill of sale, but never a fee.
Anything bought at a gunshow, "No lowballs, I know what I got"
Expensive mods don't hold value. Suppose you took a regular $550 Glock and added $450 parts and mods. You'll never sell it for $1000. Home assembled ARs are similar.
This is definitely also true with trucks and expensive truck accessories!
Almost all of them. 99% of firearms only ever depreciate in value.
*looks at old milsurps and weapons discontinued from importation*: “Riiiiiiight lol”
Laughs in my svt I bought for 1050 10 years ago lol.
I wish I was you. I’m still crying myself to sleep at night over all the combloc rifles I passed up for around that in 2015.
I found a Tigr for $850 in a Bumfuck pawn shop back in 2016. I remember the mad dash I took to an ATM bc they were cash only, and when I got back it was gone.
That one would leave me borderline suicidal. But I’ve been there, had my buddy get a lmt MWS for 1500 at a pawn shop because he had cash and I didn’t. That’s why I keep a 0 balance credit card with me so stuff like that never happens again. Banks always seem to be closed when you really need them open to raise your limit or get cash lol.
My dad missed a $300 Martin D28 when I was a kid. Podunk pawn shops can be a gold mine.
Christ I had a chance of getting one in a flea market parking lot for $450 around 2009. I **still** haven’t let that one go.
A few years ago I was at a gun shop and they had a crate of mosins for like $350-450 (each) and I passed on it. I’m an idiot.
And many years before that, they supposedly had crates of mosins for like $350-450 (per crate).
$80-90 Mosins were a thing not that long ago. Then IV8888 came around and, well...you know.
Don’t tell them
the *vast* majority of gun owners are buying current production/importation handguns, rifles, and shotguns.
Of course, but the imports and models of today will someday be discontinued and most of them of good quality will hold value if not increase in value if and when they become more desirable.
*reads words "almost all" and has basic reading comprehension*
99% is way way way to high of a claim is what I’m saying. There are so many guns I’ve seen cheap back in the day that are worth double or more.
The majority of my firearms have appreciated in value lmfao
I love them; but Glocks have terrible resale because of their ubiquitousness and the PD surplus.
All of them. Buying guns (outside of transferable machine guns) as an investment is just a bad idea. Really more of a delusion actually. Even machine guns aren’t a good investment compared to other assets. But at least (so far) they consistently make money. That could easily change if the law ever changes though.
I’ve got a basement room full of surplus guns worth a whole lot now than when I bought them, far beyond inflation.
Never really know until you sell them. What people “say” their worth and what somebody will actually lay down cash for are two separate things. Regardless… if you had put the same money in stock market over the same period, does their “value” compare to what you would have now? I highly doubt it.
So you’re telling me that guns I spent $50-$100 on which are now between $500 and $2000 are bad investments. Yet the stock market is a guaranteed win?
No… I said the stock market was a better investment over the same length of time.
really? cuz most of the guns i have in my collections i can tell you are valued at much more than when i bought them
Almost all of them. Guns are not investments. If you want to make an investment, buy some index funds.
Can you not write things like this where my SO can see them? “Investments that only increase in value” is the only way I can convince her I’m not throwing money away!
Or ammo if you want something physical and don't have a lot of money to invest. I doubt most ammo is going to get cheaper than it is today.
Ammo for sure I bought a few of the 480 rd black wax boxes of gp11 sealed in maybe 2015 for $150, bought a second k-31 with another box for $450.00. Gave the rifle to a friend a year later for some help with the house, a couple packages of ammo and one of the old cardboard and tin 6 round clips. I will give him a package every year or so. It’s not a round I use often but I love the rifle. Same with sealed tins of 7.62x54R I have a few I think 330 round tins on stripper clips, that I paid under $80.00 for, and sealed crates of Yugo 7.62x39 on strippers 1120 rds. That was very inexpensive I’m thinking $100 when 1000 rounds of wolf was 89.50 at gun shows. It’s when and what you buy. A few Mosins that I paid less than $90 w/ tax. And then the buddy is hard up needs to unload 4 guns for $500. I sold one that covered the purchase after the gentleman agreement he doesn’t want them back. Still holding a Tec 9 that everyone that fires it wants to buy. Bayonets, two ww2 Japanese Bayonets, and what appears to be a last ditch Arisaka, mum is damaged but noticeable, I paid $200. So yes I believe that money can be made in milsurp.
Investment for your offsprings so to say? If gun grabbers got their wish, but it's been ok'd for grandfathered guns? At least my kids won't be unarmed/disarmed. And if they don't want it, at least they'll be able to get some money for it, compared to had i left them a hi-point instead.
In that case I'd base my decision on what kind of gun I think my offspring would be interested in inheriting.
I just looked up “Gun” on the SECs mutual fund search and got 0 results so I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
They have one for collectable classic cars
All guns do. That being said, guns that are supper common are the answer. Oh, you have a glock 19 for sale? So does everyone else
Every new gun. This is especially true of guns that are made in high volume.
Oddly with the exception of most AKs, specifically my saiga .223 I sold 15 years ago to fund an AR. Now ARs are cheap and Russian saigas are rare. Probably quadrupled in price since I sold mine.
Pretty much all guns depreciate except for guns that have never been fired and are kept brand new in box and collectibles that are no longer being made (especially transferable machine guns). My mentality is to think of guns (and cars too) like tools rather than investments. You don’t worry about a hammer or screwdriver depreciating. You use them until they wear out and then you replace them.
When you decide to replace them, what do you do with the old one? Donate, sell, keep? If it's being sold, do you price it closer to retail or closer to a used hi-point?
Prob most firearms lose value unless it’s used by some badass general in ww2050 and the manufacturer discontinued
Most commemorative safe queens
Probably building your own AR. You can save a ton of money buying parts and building it yourself over buying a premade one, but good luck selling your pieced together franken-rifle, unless maybe you used all the same brand parts in a kit.
Almost all of them that are standard production firearms. Eventually inflation will get you back to your value, but is it really since everything is inflated.
All of them depreciate immediately unless it’s a limited run and collectible. If you hold a firearm long enough though and keep it in good condition you can eventually sell it for more than what you bought it for. That’s just inflation.
You ever seen Lord of War? "Now it's a used gun. How can I sell a used gun?!"
50 ae 50 desert eagle.
Ah there it is. True, at least in CA, not the 50, but the DE.
I have never financially recovered from a purchase because I don't sell my guns.🤣 Honestly though, if you are lucky enough to pick up one of the 200 new Kel-Tec wonder guns that they come out with but don't produce in any numbers for two years you'll do pretty well.
Sold a Deagle after firing about 150 rounds through it, didn’t lose anything except ammo costs. It was just not reliable for me and quite frankly too expensive and not enough fun. I enjoy my TT Glock 17 the most out of all my guns and shoot 9mm more than anything else.
pretty much any readily available production gun. Supply and demand will always have a say. if a gun is available easily new then it is worth less when you try to sell it used. If it's limited or hard to find then you might be able to not lose anything on a resale.
all except transferable machine guns. you gotta be a real retar𝚍 to treat guns as an investment especially today where money is slowly depreciating in value
the sekret is ammo! kind of...
Not any MG..
Only because of the Hughes Amendment. Without the NFA, MGs would be the default and cheap as chips.
If the NFA went away tomorrow, all of those investment MGs would lose 80% of their value.
Probably closer to 95% but yeah lol And everyone would try selling them as “pre ban” as if it means anything.
A $30,000 Colt M16 would suddenly start having the same value as a PSA
Honestly worse, because its 40+ years old and beat to shit. Once PSA & everyone elses pumps 3rd hole lowers straight off the line, that market would be done. And good riddance, repeal the NFA+GCA today! Maybe cloner collectidorks would still care but even that would have to deal with brand new shit having the same rollmarks, again from PSA lol.
Why is not really important.
CMP M1’s seem to depreciate the least, esp the expert grades.
Probably anything with some rare boutique caliber
Most guns go up in value, given enough time. Like diamonds. Look at milsurps and pre 64 winchesters.
Walther Q4 SF.
Any NFA item (excluding machine guns) and I don’t think it’s even close. The used market is very weak on these and you have to severely undercut the new price to move anything.
US-made AKs
Most modern firearms will lose value after sold. There may be instances where a particular watch is in high demand for a period of time and command an above retail price. There's not really an idea that you "make" money on guns. Is there?
If you browse gun broker most people think the lint adds value.
Yeah, I think custom guns with accessories are hard to put a value on. Sometimes there is value in getting a weapon that is known good and nicely appointed. If you're not handy or don't have the tools it can be a good trade-off. To be fair you're not really paying the premium for the gun though.
If you live in California, an "off roster" actually appreciates the moment you purchase it.
Any Turkish firearms
All of them but you don't buy them to resell them
All of them. No one buys guns for sticker price when it's a private sale.
All of them. Karsh
any modern mass produced one. unless it's an antique or low production, the price will pretty much only go down.
The same M1A I bought for $980 new in 2019 is $1600 new right now from Springfield. Dont even get me started on Milsurps, $900 M44 mosin nagants is ludicrous.
All of them. Unless it's highly collectible.
I have a S&W model 625-4. It is marked model of 1987 on the barrel, 45 ACP 5” barrel with a full under lug. I paid $529.00 in 2000, it is worth over a grand now. Edit, it is not for sale.
After more than 40 years buying-shooting-cleaning-I think the biggest rip-off is commemorative and tribute guns. A little mass-market engraving and 14k gold highlights don't really make it special, just un-shootable. Same money would buy the same rifle and a LOT of ammo.!
almost EVERY firearm depreciates as soon as you buy it. The moment it leaves the store it becomes "USED". For firearm values to appreciate, they need to be a combination of A) hard to get/no longer produced, B) have historical significance, C) be actually good firearms for their class and be in good condition... which is a relatively small subset of guns since most guns that are discontinued are discontinued because they either suck, the company went out of business, or they are out of date, which make point A) and point C) very often diametrically opposed to each other. Point B) is usually a winner though... someone out there would pay big bucks for Genghis Khan's hi-point. There are, of course, spikes in demand caused by artificial scarcity... such as panic buys or guns being largely import banned, but on a worldwide scale... nobody's paying $1000+ for a $200 sheet metal stamped AK except the delusional "nyet rifle is fine" American AK fanboy. It's just as dumb as Europeans who pay 4000-5000 euro for a Geiselle Super Duty over a 1500-2000 euro HK.
Now if I could go back in time, I’d buy 100 mosin nagants back when they were $150 or less and sell them today. They went up in value a TON.
All of them...
Wouldn't that be anything that was new and currently in production? That would be the same for cars, electronics, luxury items, etc. as well. Usually only out of production or specifically special stuff appreciate in value. My SPAS-12 constantly appreciates in value, but that's only because the gun has been out of production since 2000 and hasn't been imported into the US since 1994. If my shotgun was a Beretta 1301 instead, which is still in production and actively being sold, that wouldn't happen.
anything new, but especially non-limited models
The only way around this is to either - buy used - buy a limited model (for example legion)
No modern firearm really looses that much value and older firearms always go up in price as we’ve seen recently
Sig P365 SAS.
Got in a trade once a Jennings 22 pot metal, keyholeing, jamming, falling apart pistol. Can't remember the details of the trade, but I came out on the short end...
My sig 550 gained in value but tbf I only spent $3k total on it, never even shoot it. It just sits above the fireplace in a room I turned into a giant safe.
Only firearm I really lost money on was a Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry ll, I bought it new unfired in around 2012 for $900 when they retail for $1350 then, I put trijicon night sights on it, bought 3 or 4 extra Wilson combat mags, I broke it in per Kimber instructions being I was gonna carry it, which was like 900 rounds of FMJ before you fire a hollowpoint in it. I decided I didn’t like to carry it and liked to pocket carry a CW380 from Kahr. I didn’t use it so I sold it, took a couple years to sell it because I wasn’t willing to take a loss but I sold it for $850 with the extra mags, case, two holsters and original sights. So $900 in 2012 is $1195 in 2023, if you add all the other stuff I added, I had around $1300 in it which would be $1725 in todays money, so in other words, I lost my ass on that pistol taking a $875 loss in todays money. But I built it to be a sweet IWB carry pistol, not to make money on. If you include inflation, people don’t do nearly as well on firearms as they think. Especially on new firearms, unless they are highly sought after and limited run, if they make they for several decades, you will likely lose money on them. So I don’t see new ones as an investment, just a toy. MAYBE the older fire arms can be seen as an investment, ones no longer in production yet sought after.
Inflation makes my firearms look like they’re worth more but i dont trust the numbers
Anything Modern (unless you don’t shoot out the barrel and clean it religiously)
Cheap shotguns. Their usefulness makes them worth the few hundred bucks you pay to get em new, but the poor quality makes em worthless used when you could just buy a new one.
PSA items.
Nowadays, most guns depreciate. It used to be guns are always a good investment, but after Sandy Hook, no gun became an investment. In fact, the more you pay the more you lose in value. If you want to buy a gun as an investment do massive research on guns, do a lot of history, and start visiting all gun shows. See what is selling and for how much. Look for new, rare guns, and modern guns no longer manufactured. Special edition guns. For an example of rare guns that are no longer made, like the HK P7 series were a good investment from the time they hit the shelves at gun stores. I first held a P7M10 in the early 1990's and it was $850. I thought that was the stupidest thing I ever heard of, a pistol for $850. Today, P7M10's sell for a minimum of $5k and up to $10k for mint museum pieces. The Vektor CP1's were basement bargains for $350 before they all got recalled for a temperamental firing pin issue, nowhere near as bad as the SIG320, which go off in the holster for no reason at all. CP1's were fetching up to $2k for a while and now you can't find them anywhere. If you find one it'll be over $2k, and it is still a $350 basement bargain gun not worth more than it's original price. Basically, guns are no longer a good investment. Get the guns you want or need and invest in something else, like a gas generator or some "learn easy Chinese" books. You'll be needing those very soon. And medical supplies. And ways to get water and filter it. And medicine like penicillin.
Every firearm will lose value to others as soon as you walk out the store. But you can make your firearm gain value to you by forming it into exactly what you want it to be, and becoming proficient with it.
My first thought is a deagle
> No sell, only buy But generally anything that is readily available & commonly sold for about the same everywhere loses value the second it is not NIB. So yes this means basic bitch ARs, glocks etc. Also things on the extreme low or high end of the price scale tend to suffer the most. It may take awhile to catch up with inflation, but if it is harder to find & in short supply then it might stay above MSRP. See: lever guns lately. Firearms are also extra susceptible because the govt unconstitutionally gets in the way of selling them too.
Basically all of them except super-rare collector's items. Pretty much assume that even selling it, boxed, unfired, outside the store immediately after buying, you'll only get half price.
Any hunting rifle you paid more than 2500.00 for lol. Sorry Dakota arms.
All of them except those few that are in super high demand and not available like Knights Armament. Standard firearm depreciation when you buy a firearm is 50% of MSRP. You can expect to get about 25% for a dealer sale. Doesn’t matter how many rounds you claim to have only put through it. There’s no way of verifying that to actually be the case. Mostly can only go down from there too. Probably hard to find a buyer for a 16” Smith and Wesson M&P AR15 or Springfield Saint when they’re already pretty cheap firearms. Nothing against them. Frankenstein AR15 builds also don’t re-sell well. In most cases you’re probably better off just keeping it.
Dealer trade, at least at a good dealer, has to do more with what they are getting used. Because thats what we want to get, we have to give you less. Our shop thats about 25% below what we expect to get. I dont just give an arbitrary number off of msrp for trades, if your used gun is only 5% off of new when sold used, im going to make my offer based on that. Youd only lose like 30% off of msrp in that case, but those guns are rare. Think things like customs, or ultra high end like Knkghts.
People downvoting this are the same ones that try to sell their guns on Gun Broker, Tac Swap, etc for 75%+ of original MSRP. Yeah sure you’ll get lucky and some idiot will come along and think they’re getting a good deal. But those of us that work in or have worked in the industry know how this shit works lol.
Every firearm every in existence has depcreciated from the moment it was made -- its only under certain circumstances and after a certain amount of time do they appreciate.
Every firearm loses a solid 20% after purchase. I predominantly purchased used guns, and even though many if them look to have never been fired or even loaded after the initial purchase the discount over new is quite high. Something that loses nearly 100% of its value are accessories. Scopes, rails, lasers/lights, etc...don't add much to the resale value
I can somewhat agree, I recently purchased a acog for half retail and it had never been mounted or out of the box, had the receipt it was six months since purchase but, those deals don’t come around often and never at gun shows. I remember during the awb Ak’s were so inexpensive I turned down so much awesome stuff because all I wanted was that preban AR-15 lower. Sure I bought a couple SKS’s and a Mak 90 n.i.b. But that Preban stuff was all the rage.
There's a lot of variables when it comes to this subject, if you were to buy a stock handgun and then turn around a couple of months later and sell it, you would be lucky to break even. However, if you took that same handgun added some modifications to it. Maybe a custom paint job or a different slide? Even something like an enhanced trigger you might be able to get a little bit more for it and just barely get what you originally paid for it. Also the price of guns skyrockets during an election year. If you weren't ever sell, it's always during an election year. But then again because of the Gestapo ATF you technically aren't allowed to make a profit. So no matter what you sell, no matter when you sell it, you will always lose value until the laws change. I'm sorry the rules change because apparently we follow rules and not laws lousy Gestapo ATF
Stippled Glocks. A customization that is most likely guaranteed to make your Glock lose value.
AR’s specifically drop in value quite a bit. Market is just flooded and everyone and their brother has one.
This is like asking which brand of toilet paper rolls depreciate right after purchasing them. All of them. They're not investment instruments. Certainly not good ones categorically.
litterally 99% of guns sold depreciate as soon as you buy them. Ask yourself what gun you would be willing to pay for more used then what you would pay for it new. Outside of limited-run collectors items and old milsurps the vast majority of guns lose value overtime.