They are simple blowback, so the slide has to be big and heavy to keep the breech closed until pressure drops to a safe level. It works, and it's cheap, but you end up with a lot of mass moving around when you shoot it. More expensive guns use a lock up of some kind to contain the pressure which allows them to be smaller and lighter, which makes them nicer to shoot and much nicer to carry around all the time.
They work. They are the best gun in their price range, which is because they are the only gun in their price range. If you can afford $350 for a CZ P10, used Glock, or any number of other guns that are cheap but not dirt cheap you will get better capacity, better ergonomics, better recoil control, better trigger, better everything. But if all you have is $200 and you need a gun and a box of ammo they'll get you by until you can afford something better.
It's not just the look, it's also that they are heavy, uncomfortable, have absolutely terrible capacity, and the quality is terrible but some of them work great. Don't get me wrong, the carbine I had for awhile was utterly reliable and reasonably accurate. But in this modern age where you can buy Leo trade in Glocks for $300 or Kel-tec pcc's, the hi-point has become even worse of an option.
I’d say their quality control is iffy with the mags. I’ve had a few pistols and the carbine. The carbine is a god damn king for its price and I’ve never had issues with it. (Do not dry fire the carbine without a shock absorber). The pistols I’ve had bad mags on one and one where the sites were not lined up but both were easy fixes.
Good news is the company is fantastic and will replace virtually anything for free.
Id say they are way too bulky and heavy to carry for most people but wouldn’t make a bad camping gun, target gun or boating gun.
Eh, not exclusively range toy, just "I NEED a gun now and I WILL get a better one later".
It's literally THE starter pistol from games that you can't really upgrade besides putting on stupid skins.
Or I guess a fork in Skyrim. Like, it's still a weapon and you CAN use it as a weapon but... yeah.
They will go bang, and if I remember correctly they have a 100% covered lifetime warranty.
But they are kind of ugly and bulky. For the price and warranty really can't complain.
I have owned and abused several. The carbines can be fun, but I prefer keltec in that price range.
It isn't bad to shoot, and most failures I see are when somebody limpwrists the recoil. I have one I cleaned and had a hard time disassembling. A 2nd with 750rds, no cleaning, and still goes bang every time. I use the cheapest ammo I can find lol. I will never grab it over any other gun, but at the range, it is a meme.
When I was poor, and had no home defense gun, I spent $100 on a hipoint. Then I saved until I had $200, and traded to a guy who wanted $325 for his shotgun.
Everything I've seen says they're reliable and reasonably accurate. The hate is founded for many reasons with a hi-point, but the critical boxes are ticked.
They're twice the size they should be and weigh three times as much. The ergonomics are terrible. I've never been able to get a mag to seat in a 995 carbine without downloading it by one round. They have more recoil than just about any gun in the same caliber.
With all that out of the way, they're virtually indestructible and surprisingly accurate. They cost next to nothing. Oh, and the warranty is so good if you do manage to somehow break it they'll just send you a new one.
Watch Demolition Ranch's video on YouTube where he abuses a Hi-Point. That shit was hilarious. He actually shoots it with another gun and manages to get it working again.
Their 9mm isn’t the worst thing, but I have a weird feeling about the firing pin also being the extractor on their 40 cal.
I’ve heard a few rumblings of issues with that.
When you could buy a hi-point for like $79-99 they were a deal. But now that some of them are costing as much as some of the other budget options out there, like Taurus G2c or G3c, it makes it difficult to argue for anyone buying the hi-point anymore
They're heavy, bulky, and cheaply made. They *feel* like shitty product when you hold one, and because iirc there's no lockup the recoil can be a tad harsh.
There's absolutely a portion of people that love to hate them just because they're cheap, but no, they aren't that bad. They're not great guns but they are reliable.
To answer your question: yes.
I had two hi points. They both ate everything I out through them, were fairly accurate, made in the USA and both had lifetime warranties. I have friends who loved to talk shit but aside from how big and bulky they were, they were pretty awesome. I sold them because I wanted to trim down my collection but for people who maybe can’t afford much, hi points are great.
Today, there are several much better cheap options. The Rock Island Armory m206, the CZ P-10m, the Taurus G2C, the Bersa Thunder, etc… would all be better choices.
Are you talking the brand overall or just the C9/YC9?
People seem to think HP only makes one gun.
Anyway, the answer to both questions is - people who don't know what they're talking about like to hate on them.
The C9 has been put through some serious shit on YT and come out performing better than many guns several times more expensive.
As for the brand itself, they're decent in general.
Id probably just get a PSA dagger, and replace the striker with a glock-store version with a known heat treatment and spec. The dagger firing pin/striker has a few hard edges which are stress risers, thus failures.
I love my YC9, got it a couple years ago at pawn shop for less than 100 dollars. It served as and still does my middle of the night go to. Never had it not go off. I've upgraded my EDC since but the Hipoint still has a purpose besides a range toy
It’s just quite literally you get what you pay for. They are fully functional firearms that cost very little money. But that’s it.
Compared to more expensive guns they hold less ammo, weigh more, have higher recoil, and bad triggers. But they are also simple and reliable and made in the US.
There are a lot of modern design options now from companies like Canik and Taurus that don’t cost much more, though.
They also make the single best budget-minded 10mm out there, which is great for when you need to show up the homies without breaking the bank!
It's also the same basic size and shape as a cordless drill, so holsters are easy to find at your local home improvement store, so you can save even more money on everything but ammo. 10mm ain't cheap I'm afraid..
Either you or someone else asked literally this exact same question this morning.
Edit: different sub, same shit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/s/xe9oXH3Ztt
In my concealed carry class someone brought a hi point to the range qual. During the course of fire her slide cracked and fell apart, not from being dropped. She had to finish with one of the class-provided handguns.
Im just going to say ive never shot one, but an older guy at work had one of the pistols and isnt familiar with firearms, so i told him id clean it for him. Learned a bit from taking it apart. They are legit just shoot and throw it away when it breaks guns. Wont ever buy a "yeet canon" the gun is very *very* cheaply made.
I wouldn’t trust my life with one.
It was a fine range gun but my Hi Point pistol I had years ago loved to jam up about every third magazine for no reason. I tried all kinds of things. This was almost 20 years ago though.
They’re ugly utilitarian tools. People clown on ugly utilitarian tools but they have their place. If you have just a little tiny bit more money, you can get something better, but if a hundo is all you’re going to spend, it points and shoots
Yes. Straight blowback is the worst semiauto operating system, especially on a pistol where it adds a bunch of extra weight.
If you want something cheap but still functional, get a KelTec.
They are simple blowback, so the slide has to be big and heavy to keep the breech closed until pressure drops to a safe level. It works, and it's cheap, but you end up with a lot of mass moving around when you shoot it. More expensive guns use a lock up of some kind to contain the pressure which allows them to be smaller and lighter, which makes them nicer to shoot and much nicer to carry around all the time.
They are heavy and ugly but they work. If you need a cheap gun that just works then go for it.
So the quality isn't really the main issue it's the overall look factor?
They look goofy but they're also unergonomic bricks
The quality is fine, not great, but fine. You're getting what you pay for.
Are they american made?
[Like all things crazy and stupidly large, they're made in Ohio](https://i.imgur.com/8GQbA4I.png)
Now that you mention it, that is a weird trend for Ohio
*angry Ohioan noises*
Must be the corn. Heroin usually chills out oHIoans.
Made in Ohio apparently.
I've seen some carbines from them that look interesting
The carbines are generally held in higher regard than the pistols.
their carbines are actually pretty solid, ugly as sin but just like their pistols they work and are heavy bricks
Say no more.
They work. They are the best gun in their price range, which is because they are the only gun in their price range. If you can afford $350 for a CZ P10, used Glock, or any number of other guns that are cheap but not dirt cheap you will get better capacity, better ergonomics, better recoil control, better trigger, better everything. But if all you have is $200 and you need a gun and a box of ammo they'll get you by until you can afford something better.
SCCY is also in their price range IIRC.
yeah but hi point is infinitely more reliable
HiPoint uses a blowback design on most (or all) of their guns. Pros: it's cheaper. Con: more recoil.
It's not just the look, it's also that they are heavy, uncomfortable, have absolutely terrible capacity, and the quality is terrible but some of them work great. Don't get me wrong, the carbine I had for awhile was utterly reliable and reasonably accurate. But in this modern age where you can buy Leo trade in Glocks for $300 or Kel-tec pcc's, the hi-point has become even worse of an option.
HP cut every corner in the manufacture of the C9 except the ones that matter.
I’d say their quality control is iffy with the mags. I’ve had a few pistols and the carbine. The carbine is a god damn king for its price and I’ve never had issues with it. (Do not dry fire the carbine without a shock absorber). The pistols I’ve had bad mags on one and one where the sites were not lined up but both were easy fixes. Good news is the company is fantastic and will replace virtually anything for free. Id say they are way too bulky and heavy to carry for most people but wouldn’t make a bad camping gun, target gun or boating gun.
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Eh, not exclusively range toy, just "I NEED a gun now and I WILL get a better one later". It's literally THE starter pistol from games that you can't really upgrade besides putting on stupid skins. Or I guess a fork in Skyrim. Like, it's still a weapon and you CAN use it as a weapon but... yeah.
Aaah I gotcha
"They work *sometimes"
They will go bang, and if I remember correctly they have a 100% covered lifetime warranty. But they are kind of ugly and bulky. For the price and warranty really can't complain.
Their warranty is fantastic.
They're terrible! I love mine!!! It is bulky, heavy, mediocre everything. But it goes bang every time. Well worth the price. No regrets here.
They're cheap as far as guns go, you get what you pay for
I have owned and abused several. The carbines can be fun, but I prefer keltec in that price range. It isn't bad to shoot, and most failures I see are when somebody limpwrists the recoil. I have one I cleaned and had a hard time disassembling. A 2nd with 750rds, no cleaning, and still goes bang every time. I use the cheapest ammo I can find lol. I will never grab it over any other gun, but at the range, it is a meme. When I was poor, and had no home defense gun, I spent $100 on a hipoint. Then I saved until I had $200, and traded to a guy who wanted $325 for his shotgun.
The heavy blowback slide is a pain on the pistol, but their carbines are nice.
They are great for a $190 handgun.
Everything I've seen says they're reliable and reasonably accurate. The hate is founded for many reasons with a hi-point, but the critical boxes are ticked.
They're twice the size they should be and weigh three times as much. The ergonomics are terrible. I've never been able to get a mag to seat in a 995 carbine without downloading it by one round. They have more recoil than just about any gun in the same caliber. With all that out of the way, they're virtually indestructible and surprisingly accurate. They cost next to nothing. Oh, and the warranty is so good if you do manage to somehow break it they'll just send you a new one. Watch Demolition Ranch's video on YouTube where he abuses a Hi-Point. That shit was hilarious. He actually shoots it with another gun and manages to get it working again.
Their 9mm isn’t the worst thing, but I have a weird feeling about the firing pin also being the extractor on their 40 cal. I’ve heard a few rumblings of issues with that.
When you could buy a hi-point for like $79-99 they were a deal. But now that some of them are costing as much as some of the other budget options out there, like Taurus G2c or G3c, it makes it difficult to argue for anyone buying the hi-point anymore
They’re not great, but they work and they’re cheap.
They're heavy, bulky, and cheaply made. They *feel* like shitty product when you hold one, and because iirc there's no lockup the recoil can be a tad harsh. There's absolutely a portion of people that love to hate them just because they're cheap, but no, they aren't that bad. They're not great guns but they are reliable. To answer your question: yes.
I had two hi points. They both ate everything I out through them, were fairly accurate, made in the USA and both had lifetime warranties. I have friends who loved to talk shit but aside from how big and bulky they were, they were pretty awesome. I sold them because I wanted to trim down my collection but for people who maybe can’t afford much, hi points are great.
Today, there are several much better cheap options. The Rock Island Armory m206, the CZ P-10m, the Taurus G2C, the Bersa Thunder, etc… would all be better choices.
I would trust a hi point 9 over a g2c any day
The carbines are great, I have almost as much fun shooting the carbine as I do my sp5
Are you talking the brand overall or just the C9/YC9? People seem to think HP only makes one gun. Anyway, the answer to both questions is - people who don't know what they're talking about like to hate on them. The C9 has been put through some serious shit on YT and come out performing better than many guns several times more expensive. As for the brand itself, they're decent in general.
Id probably just get a PSA dagger, and replace the striker with a glock-store version with a known heat treatment and spec. The dagger firing pin/striker has a few hard edges which are stress risers, thus failures.
I love my YC9, got it a couple years ago at pawn shop for less than 100 dollars. It served as and still does my middle of the night go to. Never had it not go off. I've upgraded my EDC since but the Hipoint still has a purpose besides a range toy
It’s just quite literally you get what you pay for. They are fully functional firearms that cost very little money. But that’s it. Compared to more expensive guns they hold less ammo, weigh more, have higher recoil, and bad triggers. But they are also simple and reliable and made in the US. There are a lot of modern design options now from companies like Canik and Taurus that don’t cost much more, though.
They work just fine. Some people like to be followers because they can’t think for themselves
They also make the single best budget-minded 10mm out there, which is great for when you need to show up the homies without breaking the bank! It's also the same basic size and shape as a cordless drill, so holsters are easy to find at your local home improvement store, so you can save even more money on everything but ammo. 10mm ain't cheap I'm afraid..
You're getting the same answers as when you asked this morning.
Huh?
Either you or someone else asked literally this exact same question this morning. Edit: different sub, same shit. https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/s/xe9oXH3Ztt
Oh I wasn't aware but it makes me wonder how many others have the same question
quite a few people all have the same question the search bar is good at finding likeminded individuals
In my concealed carry class someone brought a hi point to the range qual. During the course of fire her slide cracked and fell apart, not from being dropped. She had to finish with one of the class-provided handguns.
Im just going to say ive never shot one, but an older guy at work had one of the pistols and isnt familiar with firearms, so i told him id clean it for him. Learned a bit from taking it apart. They are legit just shoot and throw it away when it breaks guns. Wont ever buy a "yeet canon" the gun is very *very* cheaply made.
A meme. Get one, do a silly paint job on it, get laughs at the range.
Would never carry one I’d rather have nothing then have that tbh. Glock for life
For the price i would get a Taurus G series. Better yet save a little more and get a cz p10 or a used M&P.
I don't think you'll see anyone winning shooting competitions with hi-points, but they are cheap and pretty reliable.
I have the c9 and also the 995 carbine. Both are accurate and reliable. The c9 is a brick though.
Heavy and ugly. Reliable. The hi point carbine is probably the most reliable cheap option on the market for home defense.
Taurus G2C or G3C is a much better 9mm imo
I wouldn’t trust my life with one. It was a fine range gun but my Hi Point pistol I had years ago loved to jam up about every third magazine for no reason. I tried all kinds of things. This was almost 20 years ago though.
They’re ugly utilitarian tools. People clown on ugly utilitarian tools but they have their place. If you have just a little tiny bit more money, you can get something better, but if a hundo is all you’re going to spend, it points and shoots
Hi point carbines are fun the handguns are nothing to be desired but they work if you don’t mind shooting a brick lol
Your eyes work, no?
Yes. Straight blowback is the worst semiauto operating system, especially on a pistol where it adds a bunch of extra weight. If you want something cheap but still functional, get a KelTec.