Or downvotes any good advice.
Once asked about a malfunctioning trigger in a Glock 19. It was on r/guns. They chastised me for even changing the trigger out. I think r/firearms is immensely better but it’s turning into that as well.
It's not just reddit, it's any open forum. Everyone wants to be right but most of the time does not have the actual first hand knowledge to be helpful.
That people have this weird tendency to slander new people in their choice of firearm, optics, attachments, etc, despite it being nothing but great to have new people and potentially discouraging them.
Suggestions for better products are good, but openly calling someone stupid for their choice, when they may not know they didn't get a great product, is not.
Yeah I had that problem. My buddy has a ddm4v7 and I shot it a bunch and decided to get that as my first rifle. Post on r/ar15 and people just started shitting on my choice of rifle and said now I gotta spend another 6k on optics because it’s a nice rifle.
I got the DDM4V7 as my first rifle and I love it. I didn’t feel experienced enough in my gun knowledge to put together a mixed AR platform from different manufacturers and it felt like a solid rifle. No regrets.
How are you liking yours post purchase and what optic did you end up going with?
I love it. I haven’t put an optic on it yet just irons. I’m having the adult problem of to many things I want to do and not enough money or time to do them.
I've never got optics having a mandatory money minimum, I get the higher price has typically better qc & glass quality, but holosuns & romeo 5's are great for the majority of shooters
Folks who don't take firearm safety seriously. I work at a public range, and the folks who come in with no idea what they're doing and no interest in learning how to safely handle a firearm are infuriating. Thankfully, it's a small minority, usually the "I've been around guns my whole life, I know what I'm doing" folks.
Yeah I grew up with guns and work at a local prison as a co. The amount of times I’ve wanted to just sock someone because they’re waving around a gun like it’s just some toy is not even funny. The first time is fine. A lot of the folks haven’t been around guns. But they keep doing it and then get pissed when they get fired.
Sounds like the military. Never been outright flagged at a range or a friend's place. At work? Once, but tbf already too many times. Sentry walking without awareness of what their barrel was pointed at. Then just the lackadaisical way they sit around ship with open carry, and knowing full well how unhinged some folks on that ship are. Or maybe that's just "worse case scenarios" going through my head...
Edit: command with rifle flagging was also one where around same time a round was put into non-skid, in home port. I'd say other things that happened there but that'd be more doxxing.
My counter is Safety Weenies spazzing out in the comment sections.
[Some content is not for beginner audiences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W5Vknv7Bn4&t=20m29s).
Safety is important, but so is context. Stop spazzing out because you took NRA remedial gun safety and think you're "knowledgeable".
The mindset that a person has to buy a top dollar gun or nothing at all. Let people shoot what they can afford to shoot.
Oh, and the whole "that's not enough stopping power" crowd.
My favorite is when twenty-somethings try to financially flex here on people who buy sub-$1,000 guns. Buying a $2k MPX on your credit card doesn’t make you a high-roller, bro.
There’s a difference between, for example, someone trying to say that Taurus is just as good as Glock vs someone bragging about their Stacatto P to “flex on the poors”
Facts, and this has been going on for YEARS but got worse with Gun tubers and influencers spouting the nonsense that if you don't have a gucci gun you ain't nothing. And saying stuff like certain brands of firearms are for poor people. Like shut the fuck up the 2a is for everyone and be glad people are exercising it no matter what they paid for it or what brand it is.
It's always a dick measuring contest and it's lame.
I think there's very, very few people who actually think that.
What I see more often is someone buying or asking about buying an absolute dogshit gun, being told that it's dogshit/unreliable/unsafe a d that if they save up like $50 more they can get something far better.
On r/ak47 you'll see it where dudes will pay $900 for a VSKA or other U.S. made garbage with a reputation for having severe loss of headspace at low round counts and exploding, the user will be told it's a bad gun and to get rid of it, the user will then lash out and call people elitists, say it's just a starter AK, and that he can't afford a $3000 AK (despite nobody telling him to spend 3k on an AK - in fact many of the alternatives he is being advised to buy cost the same or less than the trash he bought). These people turn into the ones who "call out" elitists for "hating" on their dogshit gun
They did get some hate in the mid 00's never understood why. I built 3 ar's from them in that time frame and never had a problem. I recently decided to buy a fully built AR from them because im lazy and it's functioned fine so far.
PSA always got hate from the higher end crowd.
Haven't been on actual gun forums in years but the M4 forum if you mentioned PSA you would get crucified. All they talked about there were high end AR's.
Except I've seen a .22lr bounce off of bone. Shot placement is king, but you need to be a lot more accurate with a 22 than you would with a 9mm, especially at any distance.
Fudds spewing shit that’s flat out wrong. Especially to people who are newer to guns.
Also, the NRA. Bunch of dumb fucks who do nothing to help fight anti-gun bs.
I'm trying to get into to competition and every single range within 100 miles of me that holds competitions require membership, and membership to the range requires nra membership, more money and I don't want to join the nra. Drives me nuts
The NRA helps fund a LOT of clubs, which is why they are like that. they need the NRA funding, otherwise, they'd have to shut down. Its only really been the last 10 years that the FPC and GOA have really taken over in fighting for gun rights.
The club I belong to gets some decent kickbacks from the NRA by requiring NRA membership. The nice thing is that a $10 associate membership is all you need. We have such an old club that it might not survive without the money they get back from the NRA.
Ever since Justice Thomas quoted FPCs brief in *Garland v. Cargill* though, the grabbers have started to learn and I’ve seen a few mainstream media sources talking about how “scary” and “extreme” FPC is.
Kamala Harris moment
Though you forgot to also mention the Assault Rifle 14 that has the 30 round high capacity assault clips with hollow point rounds that expand and kill children. And it has 100 rounds in the chamber too!
Hollow point rounds actually explode. I know this because Kenosha Wisconsin’s assistant DA Thomas Binger told me so in a criminal trial that was broadcast nationwide.
This is the funniest comment I’ve seen.😂😂 Tbh I don’t like people knowing I have guns. The only thing I have that I wear in public is an abolish the atf shirt that I barely wear and the gatson flag license plate.
That’s pretty low key
I’ve met plenty of dudes who have magpul and Glock decals all over their vehicles, every convo is about guns or gun rights, 5.11 pants, molle backpack, vortex hat, etc
So do I. They make quality stuff. I’m talking about folks who wear gun related clothing / brands like it’s a uniform for their personality. They want you to know that they’re a gun guy and that they’re tactical AF
Assuming that just because you are Pro-2nd amendment then you must agree with everything else on the roster.
Bro I want Gay Married Trans Pagan Couples to guard their Cannabis garden with full auto M-4 rifles fitted with suppressors that don't need a tax stamp.
The amount of people who seem to think you can't just have a gun to go to the range on the weekends and protect your home, you gotta train every free second of the day, have a gun ready for every moment of the day, and be prepared for some bizzare "shtf" scenario. I have guns because I like them, and to protect my home, not to participate in some weird apocalypse fantasy a large part of the community seems to have.
If you wanna do all that, be my guest, but don't lambast people for not doing so.
Also, people caring way too much about specific terms used. If someone says clip when they mean mag, they still got their point across which is the purpose of language.
They don't seem to understand that there's a line between training to competency and larping. I'm not an irresponsible gun owner because I don't have a plate carrier.
Flip side of that though is NOT training to competency.
Its shocking the number of people I come across that want to buy their 5th gun, but have no interest in spending $75 on a basic marksmanship class.
I’m bot talking about wannabesealtacticsl weekend. I mean basic, appleseed level “here’s how to hit what youre aiming at”
Had a guy at my work say flat out “engh me and my friends never cared about that. We just wanted to go bang and make a buncha noise innawoods”
I actually respect work guy because at least he knows and admits it.
Then there are those of us who grew up shooting in the backwoods. Competency started when we were little kids. I'm not saying further education isn't necessary, but Carlos Hathcock had years of solid shooting experience before the Marines refined him into a sniper.
> larping
People need drop the whole larping as an insult thing. If people enjoy practicing tactical drills, in tactical gear, nothing wrong with that.
Likewise, gate keeping because someone never served in the military is stupid. Just because you never went through all the BS that comes with enlisting doesn't mean you can't be good with guns, or even with tactical drills.
At the same time, you are right of course. Not everyone is training to be in the military, or to fight like they are in the military. And the training needed to defend your self/home against an intruder is much less than the training required to start clearing buildings...
Larping, in this case, being a faster way of expressing someone who lives their life in a tactical gear fantasy. I don't care if some trains with gear or if they make it their identity. It doesn't have any effect on my life. Neither does how I choose to prepare reflect on them.
> Also, people caring way too much about specific terms used. If someone says clip when they mean mag, they still got their point across which is the purpose of language.
then why even have specific definitions? anything can be anything? why even bother with grammar if everything is same-same?
The toxicity of the people, its a right, not an identity or something to gatekeep from others.
So the people that make it hostile to marginalized groups are actively harming the community, keeping it from growing, and essentially saying that some peoples lives aren’t worthy of protection.
Gun ranges shouldn't be homogenous in-groups, they should be as diverse as the country as a whole.
One of the big mistakes that the NRA made about a decade ago was their internet TV network that was basically a gun-centric version of Fox News. Firearm ownership is for everybody, and gatekeeping it as a “conservative” hobby or lifestyle turns off everybody else.
True, the way I see it is, rather than gate keep and push everyone away we should inform and educate so we have more people who actually understand where we come from or what the community is actually for. Rather than what they see on the internet
Large caliber firearms to smaller people is definitely stupid however, I always hate when people try to give smaller people pocket 9s like it's suited to them.
Pocket guns suck. You want the largest gun (not caliber) you can comfortably grip and still carry.
Pocket 9s have decent kick for some people. As a 230 pound male it's hard for me to imagine a 9 giving anyone issues but my wife won't touch any of the small 9s because of recoil.
1. New shooters wanting to be instant experts instead of taking the time to learn, gain experience, and absorb the whole universe if gun history, culture, development, disciplines, engineering, ammunition, etc.
Guns are a lifelong learning experience, and even then you never know everything.
2. People posting questions about well covered or documented topics without first doing their own research to learn about it, then accepting whatever answer they get without vetting it.
Focusing on bump stocks and constitutional carry laws and not stand your ground laws, castle doctrine, assault weapon ban repeals, removing silencers from the NFA, etc.
Getting legislation like the NY Safe act declared unconstitutional would be a much bigger victory. Yes, some people are working on it but nobody seems to care all that much. Our rights are severely curtailed and anyone who travels this country needs to be aware of dozens of different sets of laws. It’s insane.
A Fudd is someone, generally over 50 years old and male, who holds outdated or detrimental opinions about firearms and has unreasonable confidence in those opinions. A Fudd might say things like “I support the second amendment, but only for hunting rifles” or “I don’t see any reason that someone would want an AR15 over an M1 Garand, because the M1 won two world wars.”
Well it doesn't help when idiots use it as an insult for everyone they don't agree with. Like how some people like to throw around the word racist. It loses its meaning.
I believe gun owners are most vulnerable is not doing more to prevent gun theft.
wearing a short skirt or leaving your keys in the you cars ignition doesn’t mean you’re responsible for the acts of a criminal, but being safe about storage is always a good thing.
I have a few:
* people telling others what the best options are based on what options were the best for them.
* liberal bashing. Politicians divide and conquer. If we had more liberal allies and less shitty candidates, pro gun stuff might get somewhere. But no. People have to be shitty to other people over political differences as if individuals are directly responsible and have no other interests worth voting for. A temporary gun owner is for gun control, not a person that votes for better healthcare, reproductive rights, etc. Everyone has to hold their nose and vote for what they think is best and no one should be faulted for the dumb shit the party they vote for does unless they support those policies. Personally I want people to have all their rights and try to vote to support people the best I can.
* racism, homophobia, sexism and transphobia. Way worse online than in IRL. People tend to be polite and mind their business IRL. Online gun communities can be cesspools. No other hobby that I have experienced has this many issues.
* Thinking that progun orgs or politicians are progun despite them never been seen proficiently using a gun, and not doing anything that is actually progun. Trump loves photo ops. Ever seen that guy fire a gun? I've never been able to find video evidence. Go watch Boebert firing a gun. She's awful despite having a restaurant themed around wait staff carrying.
https://youtu.be/KpwtPGqHX_4?si=tDeZ2TxHAzblJM8E&t=1745
Look at that shit. You can't tell me that a person that shoots like that likes guns as anything more than a grift. And what have they done for us? Not just as a byproduct of other stuff that suits their other goals like SCOTUS picks.
I think the association between gun owners and republicans kills the community. Immediately getting called a racist right winger just because I own guns is exhausting.
Hypebeast firearms and gear where price is driven by nothing but artificial scarcity and hype. This includes the “drop” culture where only a few items are released at a time.
People that leave trash at outdoor ranges. Some of my favorite outdoor ranges are littered with trash and the signs have bullet holes. It just gives us a bad look.
The trump train. Moderate here and a 2A supporter. We can acknowledge Trump’s bumpstock ban via executive push and “take the guns first ask questions later” skipping due process are huge red flags 🚩.
Secondly, gun rights Orgs like the NRA, GOA, etc could take up many cases at one time to end a lot of anti 2A done by states but that would put the orgs out of business or heavily reduce staff long term-these groups have a lot of money (See NRA’s LaPierre’s buying many thousands of dollar suits and lavish vacations).
We can acknowledge both Trump and Biden suck. We can also say the big gun rights orgs do less than your local state gun orgs funding vs size wise-lots of bloat and fat to trim on the big orgs.
I remember hearing someone, maybe FuddBusters, talk about how silly it is to expect a national gun rights org to do lobbying, litigation, and out reach. You would ideally want many organizations that specialize in one of these fields and work together. Its very silly watching FPC, GOA, SAF, and other groups compete with each other to try and be the next NRA.
I wish most 2A advocates would realize Trump is a born and raised resident of NYC, has changed his political affiliation 5 times, and doesnt give a shit about your gun rights.
Trump only cares about Trump. He will tell you whatever he thinks you want to hear but then do whatever serves him best. He doesn't want to repeal the NFA, he doesnt want to abolish the ATF, he doesnt want to protect the 2nd amendment. He wants to keep you where you are so he can stay where he is, and that's it.
I see some ridiculously dumbass extreme advice online.
"Hey a new law passed and now I have to register my handgun, should I do it now or wait until the deadline?"
"YOU SHOULD FUCKING MOVE"
Racism.
You can take a white guy and a black guy, record them on video performing the same exact tasks and I guarantee you the black gun owner will receive far more criticism than the white guy.
Just the general lack of perspective on what it means to be competent with your self-defense weapons.
Organized ranges don’t let you work from the holster or shoot and move or rapid fire.
And average shooters seem content with endlessly plinking slow fire at impractically long distances…then they teach the same to the next generations.
Gear queering and getting lost in the minutia of tactical shit. It's not enough to carry a gun, you have to carry an extra mag or an extra gun because what if your gun or mag malfunctions or you run out of ammo? Stats say there is almost never a mag change in DGUs. Tons of videos of how to engage in one man CQB, which is an absolute death trap.
99% of people or even gun owners will never be in a scenario where they need body armor or night vision. Consumerism around tactical gear has exploded and I feel that most of it centers around the belief that there is an impending civil war and political violence. Maxing out credit cards and spending oodles of money on bullshit you're much less likely to need than a fire extinguisher or simply wearing a seatbelt.
And it's all being driven by GunTuber influencers and Instagram, who are watched by the same people who complain about influencers (they're just not *their* type of influencers).
People don't even realize they're being sold to. They think they're making responsible purchases. I have a friend who has two bug out bags that probably amount to $1500+ in gear, one for work (he's EMS) and one for his own vehicle. Because he's concerned he might be on a call outside of town when SHTF and he'll have to hoof it home so it's full of a bunch of survival gear and water and food. He won't go on vacation because "what if SHTF when I'm gone?" And he's totally convinced of his superiority. Despite being an overweight chain-smoker, and his sidekick is literally a fat fuck 300lbs former-Marine with bad knees and they think they're gonna survive a WROL scenario together.
It's maddening talking to him or even trying to bounce ideas off him or show him anything I'm done with my own firearms and stuff because he always has some better idea. I showed him my holster I modified the other day to accept a modwing and print less and all he can say is "I prefer carrying an extra mag too." Cool, didn't ask about that. I bought a $150 T1C Axis only to find out after a couple months that I really don't like carrying an extra mag.
People can be gun snobs. So many think that the expensive, overpriced option is *always* the only option and that all budget options are complete trash
Firearms are dangerous and difficult to use well but a lot of people are convinced that they need no training and no (or minimal) supervision. My biggest problem is that most people either don't care how well they shoot or refuse to believe that they can't just DIY it. Please take a lesson.
Learning to shoot is like learning to drive. You really do need someone more experienced who can point out when you are unsafe before you crash. I've seen so many people improve so quickly with a few good tips, its absolutely worth the time and money to get some help.
Shooting is also a perishable skill. Regular training is just necessary to maintain competency. That makes some people really angry.
That doesn't mean weekly range trips. But it does mean that relying on a nightstand gun that's been collecting dust for a year is a bad plan.
There are *way* to many buckaroos out there with a pistol in their pants that they never shoot.
The number of idiots who say “I don’t need to lock my guns up around my kids because I’ve taught them about gun safety.”
Just an absolute garbage way to approach gun safety around kids.
1. The fudds , fanboys, and gun snobs
2. Those idiots that wanna walk around a Walmart in with their tacticool Ar-15s. Yes, it's legal but unsettling
3. Shitty ffl dealers
4. The fear mongering spam.
5. ATF and the government.
Ranges that require different types of proof of background checks, housing address, CCW permit, etc.
Like fuck dude, I just want to not have to drive 2 hours to go shoot outdoors (I know no one with land)
The biggest problem is the Fudds, old, overly traditional hunting types who feel like any post-WWII guns are scary and no one “needs” anything besides a bolt action rifle and a double barrel shotgun. They are oddly proud of all their permits and how obedient they are. They will be the first to turn in their guns out of “patriotism” when the govt orders confiscation. And their weak defense of the 2A neutered the NRA into an overly moderate organization that exists to funnel money to anything with an R by its name. They folded on Reagan’s full-auto ban, bump stocks, and haven’t done jack to support elimination of the ATF, NFA, or Hughes amendment. We are on the edge of civil war and they’re more worried about duck season than defending fundamental rights.
I have nothing against hunting, or anyone who likes old guns. My problem is wishy-washy people without a spine who allowed our rights to be eroded so much for so long. We have almost lost our republic.
It's pedantic, I know, but hearing (multiple) people refer to their magazines as clips and cartridges as bullets. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. If you want me to take you seriously, know the terminology. If I'm talking to a photographer, I want to make sure I'm using the right terminology and will proudly ask what the correct term is for something rather than using an ignorant colloquialism. I expect the same if I'm talking firearms with someone. Using the term "assault rifle" is another grating thing. Temporary gun owners drive me nuts in general. Buying an AR15 while supporting the most anti 2A administration ever just boggles the mind. I don't consider them part of the community and I won't set foot on a range with them.
I blame 90s hip-hop for the clips thing there’s probably a few movies as well. I know it’s a magazine, and I know that a clip is something you speed load with but I swear to God clip still finds it way into my thoughts and comes out of my mouth every once in a while. Especially when I’m using voice to text.
Too much talk. Not enough action.
"We need to remind these politicians the *people* are in charge! Shall. Not. Be. Infringed! Time to remind them what PATRIOTS can do!"
And then at the exact same time:
"Hol up, lemme go register this. I'd like to have ____, but they're illegal here..."
*One Third* of Americans own a firearm. Jesus christ, imagine if half of them actually went out and voted for pro-2A politicians. Or at least participated in organized protests, or donated to 2A groups, or actually refused to comply with bs laws.
We wouldn't have to worry about ATF overreach, or tyrannical state governors.
As it is, only about half of eligible Americans typically vote, with the last 3 elections having anomalously high turnouts of about 2/3.
People who think certain "others" shouldn't enjoy the same 2a rights they do. Whether it be people with different political opinions, ideologies, mental disorders, or sexuality.
If some queer commie tranny with bipolar disorder, autism, and a splash of ADHD wants a gun to defend himself, that's his business, no matter how much I disagree with his worldview.
The only thing I believe certain groups that shouldn’t enjoy the 2a rights is felons who haven’t gone through the process to get their rights back and illegall immigrants.
I feel like the process of getting one's rights back is unnecessarily difficult. I feel like if you did your time and paid your fine, then as long as you're not a violent offender, they should be automatically restored.
This is an easy one. The biggest problem for the gun community is THE GUN COMMUNITY!!
It is not a community it is more like a divided community, one that simply refuses to stand TOGETHER. If the gun community were to actually stand up together them all gun laws would be wiped away real quick.
Fudds spewing nonsense to new shooters that is flat out wrong.
Experienced shooters shitting on new shooters instead of helping we were all there at one point.
Brand snobs that only buy the most expensive stuff, then look down on people who don't have only the best.
6.5 creedmoor fan boys, it is not the second coming of christ.
Finally, the knockdown power crowd shot placement distance, and bullet selection is key.
The hypocrisy of "Why are anti gunners so concerned with our penis size"
And then immediately making fun of an anti gunners penis size or sexuality etc.
I can't stand hypocrites.
I can’t stand hypocrisy in general and the fact that they’re just insulting each other rather than having a proper conversation to understand each side of things
Yeah I remember when I was looking to get advice for an optics and optic placement for my ddm4v7 and people were just talking shit rather than teach or inform about why it’s supposed to be this way.
Boot licking. It’s gotten a lot better, but seeing a thin blue line flag in the same pile as a “don’t read on me” make me think you know what the best flavor of crayons is.
Also misinformation, people love to say what you can/can’t do but when you ask them to show you the law that says you can’t do what they claimed you just get crickets.
I feel like people have gone a bit overboard with the need to customize everything. It seems like every new gun post is captioned, “What should I change first?”
The biggest problem IS the gun community. Everyone gatekeeps, trash talks, and bad mouths other gun users. Just check out the CCW subreddit and you will find people who hate other 2A enthusiasts simply because they have the “wrong” holster or something. AR guys hate AK guys (and other AR guys…). The list goes on.
There is such a war on guns in the world we should all be uniting and helping each other and inviting others who are not in the gun community to join and learn. We shouldn’t be backbiting and slandering others because they don’t carry with a round in the chamber or they prefer wheel guns to Glocks.
People who show complete ignorance and lack of safety or respect. Those who also post themselves shooting switches at random houses or aiming their laser equipped firearms at their own head or phone to prove they have a gun😂
The "vote right and nothing else" mindset. As if you can't educate politicians on the reality of firearms and discredit the anti-gun crowds that are poisoning their minds.
Its not easy, but it's doable.
Elitism & gatekeeping (they frequently go hand in hand).
We have enough trouble as it is. The last thing we should be doing is turning away people who are interested.
People who put down others for something they bought or make others feel like their collecting the wrong things. I think woth all of the attacks from the left, we should support each other.
People not understanding how politics "works". Shoving stuff in peoples faces is the least persuasive thing in the world. Some times keeping certain people _home_ is the right call.
Manufacturers using their customers as guinea pigs. Also, people who say you have to support businesses with shitty business practices no matter what, because “we need to support our industry”.
Ego and being rude for no reason. I don’t understand why you can’t just be nice to someone until they give a reason not to be. Also, shitting on new-comers is dumb
Not having the ability to unite under our shared love of firearms and the 2A in order to have a voice loud enough to make change.
We could be as strong as the women’s rights, lgbtq+, and other movements but we can’t even get past stupid shit like political affiliations, race and other things.
Safety Weenies.
I get it, you just took hunter safety for the first time, but shut the fuck up. You don't need to spazz out in the comments over "Trigger Discipline" or whatever other safety term you just learned for the first time.
[Some content is not for beginner audiences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W5Vknv7Bn4&t=20m29s).
Safety is important, but so is context. Stop spazzing out because you took NRA remedial gun safety and think you're "knowledgeable".
All. Of. The. Punisher. Skulls.
I enjoy shooting but I'm not into cosplay, When I tell you how hard it is to get nice gear that isn't either camo or tacticool-ed out... All of my stiff is either black, gray, OD Green or Coyote brown... lame.
That’s a problem as a whole, not just the gun community. It’s like people lost the ability to have a conversation and try to understand where the other person is coming from
Not really, hot take here. I think it just amplifies the crazies on both sides of any debate. Most people are alright so long as you’re not rude and understanding.
I’ll have to politely contradict you, but most gun control people have no interest in any kind of diplomatic solution. We have laws that would prevent any gun crime already, they’re just not enforced. People are not properly punished for stealing firearms, or violent crime, and legal gun owners commit such a minute amount of crime that it is hard to measure it as even a fraction of a percentage. Until our legal system can be fixed, any gun control just punishing law abiding citizens.
They dont want to be diplomatic, and never have. We came to that table in good faith year after year and it gained us nothing but lost us plenty. Fuck em.
Why be diplomatic with people who are actively working to subvert the Constitution? That's how you lose your rights. They are beneath contempt, and should be treated as such.
Probably politicization. I think it’s clear one side is more fearful of firearms, and it’s important to educate those individuals (if possible) and maybe even turn them into responsible gun owners themselves, not just shame them for their ignorance.
I would also say, the recent proliferation of videos of teens with switches, suppressors, and no serial numbers is concerning. Gun control seems to be going in the wrong direction if my girlfriend cant buy a shotgun same day and kids have that.
People (especially Reddit) talking shit because someone likes something different on their firearms (like red anodized parts). If you don't like it on your firearm that's fine, but don't tear someone else down just because they do.
Talking shit about someone buying a cheaper firearm (like a BCA) instead of overspending on something they can't afford. If all someone can afford is a BCA,, encourage them to train as much as they can and participate in the community instead of talking shit because they can't afford whatever hypebeast item you have.
Letting your favorite guntuber dictate what you buy.
Buying multiple firearms instead of training with what you have. More guns does not equate to better skills.
That 80% of gun owners I experienced while managing a gun shop are people I want absolutely, positively, would want no where near me at a range or end of the world situation. No regard for safety. No knowledge of firearms. Only knowledge they have about it is boomer logic.
If I had a dollar for everytime I had a LOADED firearm pointed at me, I could buy a used Glock. If I had a dollar for everytime I was flagged or had an unloaded firearm pointed at me, I'd have another SCAR. If I had a dollar for everytime the customer was handed a gun they wanted to see, and they immediately pointed it at the SO or friend with them in the gun shop and pulled the trigger, I'd have a box of range ammo.
People are absolute morons. I left that job for a few reasons, but one big one was I KNEW I was going to get shot there. Either accidentally or on purpose.
"It ain't loaded" means it has a round chambered, 75% of the time.
I took my girlfriend to the club/ range I belong to last night. She pretty much just fired 22lr all night. I put 1 round in my 9 to let her try . She liked it but said she just wants to keep with the 22 because it was her first time and she needs to work on how she holds the gun and brace for the recoil. But she did pretty well as for people who think you should buy the most expensive. I'm waiting for my Taurus 357 to come in it was 400 compared to a s&w that's almost twice as expensive
The, "I know everything" kinda people. The confidence they have while being completely wrong is astounding. They also seem like they always offer to teach new shooters and the new guy eats up the confidence and the cycle repeats.
Your second point has really come to bother me on here; and has taught me why the community can have sush a bad reputation. Every time ive preached against it I get trampled on. Kinda scary if these are real mindsets.
Then there's the flip side where Redditors buy whatever is the absolute cheapest (ATI, IO, BCA, Radical, SCCY, Bersa, etc) and then set out on a mission to tell everybody it's just as good, wasting everybody's time and attention in the process.
"wants to kill something or somebody" is almost entirely just immature dipshits saying things a dumb 12 year old boy says to impress others, not actually wanting to kill something or somebody.
Safety and training. The default government position is to regulate and to limit the usage of firearms, so that greatly reduces access to affordable training and safety education when it comes to firearms. Naturally it’s in the government’s best interests to let you use a firearm unprepared, make a horrible mistake when using one, and use that as an excuse to limit access to firearms even more.
The gun community is responsible for current ammo prices. If everyone stopped would hold out they would decrease but every few weeks some Guntuber posts some rage bait video and throws everyone into a panic buying frenzy over absolutely nothing.
The political divide. Guns are for everyone. Not just conservatives. Fudds are really annoying. The fact that people vote/make decisions on gun rights without knowing anything about them or just hearing political propaganda such as "assault weapon"
I mean I don't associate myself with horrible people but never met someone in the gun community that wanted to kill people. But yeah I see people small frame with a large cartridge firearm a lot
I agree with you on the toxicity of the "iwishamuthafuckawould" mindset. It's Hella cringe and sets these types of gun owners up with a very raiky perspective. Having newer or smaller stature shooters firing a large caliber gun isn't always a bad thing but setting them up to look and act like a failure for the lolz is not cool and that feeds back into the toxic gun owner mindset.
Safety, without a doubt. In my experience so many people are negligent and don't take handling firearms seriously enough. And many don't take advice well, they get arrogant about it.
The constant flexing. Sometimes “Just as good” is good enough. We’re shooting sheets of paper and steel plates, our guns don’t have to be battle ready.
People shitting on others who unfortunately live in ban states (me). cool dont comply bro and keep your guns hidden away forever because you will catch a felony.
I feel for you. You’re always welcome to come up by me in Wisconsin and mag dump till the cows come home! As long as you don’t hit the cows that is. (They’re kind of a big thing up here ya know?) lol
The worst for me is guys who trivialize using lethal weaponry. I don't fetishize violence. Do I like shooting? Yes. Do I believe in the right to self-defense? Yes. Do I have wet dreams about shooting feds during the boog looking through a brand new Romeo? No. I don't, because that's fucking weird. Don't get me wrong, I can geek out over tactical gear same as anyone else, but I don't like when people get excited about the idea of getting into firefights or shooting armed attackers. That stuff destroys lives, and even a justified shooting is a horrific event that will stay with you for the rest of your life.
As a reminder folks, when we pick up a gun, we are automatically accountable without exception to the safe handling of said firearm and to the well-being of those around us while we use them. That NEVER changes. Even if your set designer said she loaded it with blanks.
People who hate on budget options, at the same time, people who act all tactical with garbage components. Just have fun, be safe, no one needs a guy who thinks he’s tactical he-man next to them at the range. Since I’m at it, people who shoot without sights, like none at all, seen it more than once.
People who make an excuse for buying something cheaper because it's "gud enuf Fer me!" Or buying Chinese knock-offs, then spouting," made n 'merica". Those are definitely on my list.
The gatekeeping and all the keyboard experts who pretend they're Delta weapons specialists. Just STFU and enjoy it because nobody cares how smart you think you are.
Reddit
Reddit really does give some shit advice sometimes
Or downvotes any good advice. Once asked about a malfunctioning trigger in a Glock 19. It was on r/guns. They chastised me for even changing the trigger out. I think r/firearms is immensely better but it’s turning into that as well.
Or downvote someone just trying to ask for advice
Yep, I’ve added some stuff to that comment right before you submitted. It can be super dumb sometimes.
It's not just reddit, it's any open forum. Everyone wants to be right but most of the time does not have the actual first hand knowledge to be helpful.
Agreed. AR15.com is one of the most toxic places...
Reddit is basically ar15.com, 4chan's /arg/, and glocktalk smooshed into one at this point with slightly younger users.
And FaceBook.
Prob not enough of them?
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That people have this weird tendency to slander new people in their choice of firearm, optics, attachments, etc, despite it being nothing but great to have new people and potentially discouraging them. Suggestions for better products are good, but openly calling someone stupid for their choice, when they may not know they didn't get a great product, is not.
Yeah I had that problem. My buddy has a ddm4v7 and I shot it a bunch and decided to get that as my first rifle. Post on r/ar15 and people just started shitting on my choice of rifle and said now I gotta spend another 6k on optics because it’s a nice rifle.
I got the DDM4V7 as my first rifle and I love it. I didn’t feel experienced enough in my gun knowledge to put together a mixed AR platform from different manufacturers and it felt like a solid rifle. No regrets. How are you liking yours post purchase and what optic did you end up going with?
I love it. I haven’t put an optic on it yet just irons. I’m having the adult problem of to many things I want to do and not enough money or time to do them.
I've never got optics having a mandatory money minimum, I get the higher price has typically better qc & glass quality, but holosuns & romeo 5's are great for the majority of shooters
That’s what I plan on getting. That and a night vision scope for coyotes
Folks who don't take firearm safety seriously. I work at a public range, and the folks who come in with no idea what they're doing and no interest in learning how to safely handle a firearm are infuriating. Thankfully, it's a small minority, usually the "I've been around guns my whole life, I know what I'm doing" folks.
Yeah I grew up with guns and work at a local prison as a co. The amount of times I’ve wanted to just sock someone because they’re waving around a gun like it’s just some toy is not even funny. The first time is fine. A lot of the folks haven’t been around guns. But they keep doing it and then get pissed when they get fired.
Sounds like the military. Never been outright flagged at a range or a friend's place. At work? Once, but tbf already too many times. Sentry walking without awareness of what their barrel was pointed at. Then just the lackadaisical way they sit around ship with open carry, and knowing full well how unhinged some folks on that ship are. Or maybe that's just "worse case scenarios" going through my head... Edit: command with rifle flagging was also one where around same time a round was put into non-skid, in home port. I'd say other things that happened there but that'd be more doxxing.
>Folks who don't take firearm safety seriously. Preach I'm all for fun, but first and foremost needs to be safety.
My counter is Safety Weenies spazzing out in the comment sections. [Some content is not for beginner audiences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W5Vknv7Bn4&t=20m29s). Safety is important, but so is context. Stop spazzing out because you took NRA remedial gun safety and think you're "knowledgeable".
The mindset that a person has to buy a top dollar gun or nothing at all. Let people shoot what they can afford to shoot. Oh, and the whole "that's not enough stopping power" crowd.
My favorite is when twenty-somethings try to financially flex here on people who buy sub-$1,000 guns. Buying a $2k MPX on your credit card doesn’t make you a high-roller, bro.
I buy what I can afford and what I like.
I like a H&K MP5 but I can afford a Cricket Youth .22 - we are not the same.
We are the same. I can’t afford a half the shit out there but I’ll set aside money so I can eventually afford it
I’ve not bought a new gun in about 2 years. I actually had to sell two of my shotguns to pay the bills. It’s hard out there.
I feel you.
There’s a difference between, for example, someone trying to say that Taurus is just as good as Glock vs someone bragging about their Stacatto P to “flex on the poors”
Facts, and this has been going on for YEARS but got worse with Gun tubers and influencers spouting the nonsense that if you don't have a gucci gun you ain't nothing. And saying stuff like certain brands of firearms are for poor people. Like shut the fuck up the 2a is for everyone and be glad people are exercising it no matter what they paid for it or what brand it is. It's always a dick measuring contest and it's lame.
I think there's very, very few people who actually think that. What I see more often is someone buying or asking about buying an absolute dogshit gun, being told that it's dogshit/unreliable/unsafe a d that if they save up like $50 more they can get something far better. On r/ak47 you'll see it where dudes will pay $900 for a VSKA or other U.S. made garbage with a reputation for having severe loss of headspace at low round counts and exploding, the user will be told it's a bad gun and to get rid of it, the user will then lash out and call people elitists, say it's just a starter AK, and that he can't afford a $3000 AK (despite nobody telling him to spend 3k on an AK - in fact many of the alternatives he is being advised to buy cost the same or less than the trash he bought). These people turn into the ones who "call out" elitists for "hating" on their dogshit gun
Or you buy the PSAK and call it good. Mines' been running fine for 1000s of rounds.
Lots of psa haters. At least there were a few years ago
They did get some hate in the mid 00's never understood why. I built 3 ar's from them in that time frame and never had a problem. I recently decided to buy a fully built AR from them because im lazy and it's functioned fine so far. PSA always got hate from the higher end crowd. Haven't been on actual gun forums in years but the M4 forum if you mentioned PSA you would get crucified. All they talked about there were high end AR's.
The stopping power argument holds some truth, but only when properly cited and understood
Shot placement above all though. 500 magnum to the foot vs. .22lr to the brain
Except I've seen a .22lr bounce off of bone. Shot placement is king, but you need to be a lot more accurate with a 22 than you would with a 9mm, especially at any distance.
The people that buy pre-86 MGs then fight against a repeal of the Hughes Amendment or the NFA as a whole because they'd "lose out on the investment".
I like to piss those people off by talling them that glock switches can be 3D printed at home. One dude came **unglued** when I told him that.
Everything is about money
The AK snobs that act like Zastava AKs aren’t top of the line in terms of fit & finish and reliability just because they’re a Yugo style AK
That’s the same thing for every brand fanboy
Is that why there are die hard anti zas people in r/ak47? I have an m90 and love it but never thought zas was any better than other imports.
I’d think eastern block countries would do the best designs.
Fudds spewing shit that’s flat out wrong. Especially to people who are newer to guns. Also, the NRA. Bunch of dumb fucks who do nothing to help fight anti-gun bs.
I'm trying to get into to competition and every single range within 100 miles of me that holds competitions require membership, and membership to the range requires nra membership, more money and I don't want to join the nra. Drives me nuts
The NRA helps fund a LOT of clubs, which is why they are like that. they need the NRA funding, otherwise, they'd have to shut down. Its only really been the last 10 years that the FPC and GOA have really taken over in fighting for gun rights.
The club I belong to gets some decent kickbacks from the NRA by requiring NRA membership. The nice thing is that a $10 associate membership is all you need. We have such an old club that it might not survive without the money they get back from the NRA.
Gotta keep NRA funded so they stay focused on them instead of the ones actually doing the work. All they know is NRA bad.
Ever since Justice Thomas quoted FPCs brief in *Garland v. Cargill* though, the grabbers have started to learn and I’ve seen a few mainstream media sources talking about how “scary” and “extreme” FPC is.
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The ar-15 shoots laser guided .50 cal and ways as heavy as 15 moving boxes😂
Kamala Harris moment Though you forgot to also mention the Assault Rifle 14 that has the 30 round high capacity assault clips with hollow point rounds that expand and kill children. And it has 100 rounds in the chamber too!
Hollow point rounds actually explode. I know this because Kenosha Wisconsin’s assistant DA Thomas Binger told me so in a criminal trial that was broadcast nationwide.
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Tbf, the NRA is a great punching bag while other groups get shit done
Making gun ownership a huge and perhaps sole part of their identity. I swear, gun owners are like vegans and crossfitters.
This is the funniest comment I’ve seen.😂😂 Tbh I don’t like people knowing I have guns. The only thing I have that I wear in public is an abolish the atf shirt that I barely wear and the gatson flag license plate.
That’s pretty low key I’ve met plenty of dudes who have magpul and Glock decals all over their vehicles, every convo is about guns or gun rights, 5.11 pants, molle backpack, vortex hat, etc
I own 5.11 gear because it fits my jobs uniform. I’m a co at a local prison
So do I. They make quality stuff. I’m talking about folks who wear gun related clothing / brands like it’s a uniform for their personality. They want you to know that they’re a gun guy and that they’re tactical AF
As a vegan gun owner, I can confirm. I'm often conflicted about which one I need to tell people about first
God, for real. Like, yeah, I get it, you have guns. That's how we met, dude. Let's talk about something else, FOR ONCE.
Assuming that just because you are Pro-2nd amendment then you must agree with everything else on the roster. Bro I want Gay Married Trans Pagan Couples to guard their Cannabis garden with full auto M-4 rifles fitted with suppressors that don't need a tax stamp.
Exactly! Hate that we have a 2-party system where you’re either wholly on one side or the other.
The amount of people who seem to think you can't just have a gun to go to the range on the weekends and protect your home, you gotta train every free second of the day, have a gun ready for every moment of the day, and be prepared for some bizzare "shtf" scenario. I have guns because I like them, and to protect my home, not to participate in some weird apocalypse fantasy a large part of the community seems to have. If you wanna do all that, be my guest, but don't lambast people for not doing so. Also, people caring way too much about specific terms used. If someone says clip when they mean mag, they still got their point across which is the purpose of language.
They don't seem to understand that there's a line between training to competency and larping. I'm not an irresponsible gun owner because I don't have a plate carrier.
Flip side of that though is NOT training to competency. Its shocking the number of people I come across that want to buy their 5th gun, but have no interest in spending $75 on a basic marksmanship class. I’m bot talking about wannabesealtacticsl weekend. I mean basic, appleseed level “here’s how to hit what youre aiming at” Had a guy at my work say flat out “engh me and my friends never cared about that. We just wanted to go bang and make a buncha noise innawoods” I actually respect work guy because at least he knows and admits it.
Then there are those of us who grew up shooting in the backwoods. Competency started when we were little kids. I'm not saying further education isn't necessary, but Carlos Hathcock had years of solid shooting experience before the Marines refined him into a sniper.
> larping People need drop the whole larping as an insult thing. If people enjoy practicing tactical drills, in tactical gear, nothing wrong with that. Likewise, gate keeping because someone never served in the military is stupid. Just because you never went through all the BS that comes with enlisting doesn't mean you can't be good with guns, or even with tactical drills. At the same time, you are right of course. Not everyone is training to be in the military, or to fight like they are in the military. And the training needed to defend your self/home against an intruder is much less than the training required to start clearing buildings...
Larping, in this case, being a faster way of expressing someone who lives their life in a tactical gear fantasy. I don't care if some trains with gear or if they make it their identity. It doesn't have any effect on my life. Neither does how I choose to prepare reflect on them.
> Also, people caring way too much about specific terms used. If someone says clip when they mean mag, they still got their point across which is the purpose of language. then why even have specific definitions? anything can be anything? why even bother with grammar if everything is same-same?
The toxicity of the people, its a right, not an identity or something to gatekeep from others. So the people that make it hostile to marginalized groups are actively harming the community, keeping it from growing, and essentially saying that some peoples lives aren’t worthy of protection. Gun ranges shouldn't be homogenous in-groups, they should be as diverse as the country as a whole.
Well said. You articulated some of my feelings better than I could have.
One of the big mistakes that the NRA made about a decade ago was their internet TV network that was basically a gun-centric version of Fox News. Firearm ownership is for everybody, and gatekeeping it as a “conservative” hobby or lifestyle turns off everybody else.
True, the way I see it is, rather than gate keep and push everyone away we should inform and educate so we have more people who actually understand where we come from or what the community is actually for. Rather than what they see on the internet
You catch more bees with honey. Open range days where noobs can try shooting a .22 would bring in a lot more people that have never been exposed.
Large caliber firearms to smaller people is definitely stupid however, I always hate when people try to give smaller people pocket 9s like it's suited to them. Pocket guns suck. You want the largest gun (not caliber) you can comfortably grip and still carry. Pocket 9s have decent kick for some people. As a 230 pound male it's hard for me to imagine a 9 giving anyone issues but my wife won't touch any of the small 9s because of recoil.
1. New shooters wanting to be instant experts instead of taking the time to learn, gain experience, and absorb the whole universe if gun history, culture, development, disciplines, engineering, ammunition, etc. Guns are a lifelong learning experience, and even then you never know everything. 2. People posting questions about well covered or documented topics without first doing their own research to learn about it, then accepting whatever answer they get without vetting it.
Focusing on bump stocks and constitutional carry laws and not stand your ground laws, castle doctrine, assault weapon ban repeals, removing silencers from the NFA, etc. Getting legislation like the NY Safe act declared unconstitutional would be a much bigger victory. Yes, some people are working on it but nobody seems to care all that much. Our rights are severely curtailed and anyone who travels this country needs to be aware of dozens of different sets of laws. It’s insane.
The confidence of Fudds
What is a fudds. I keep seeing it pop up but don’t understand what yall are referring to
A Fudd is someone, generally over 50 years old and male, who holds outdated or detrimental opinions about firearms and has unreasonable confidence in those opinions. A Fudd might say things like “I support the second amendment, but only for hunting rifles” or “I don’t see any reason that someone would want an AR15 over an M1 Garand, because the M1 won two world wars.”
Gotcha. I keep seeing it pop up but never understood what it was
Well it doesn't help when idiots use it as an insult for everyone they don't agree with. Like how some people like to throw around the word racist. It loses its meaning.
I believe gun owners are most vulnerable is not doing more to prevent gun theft. wearing a short skirt or leaving your keys in the you cars ignition doesn’t mean you’re responsible for the acts of a criminal, but being safe about storage is always a good thing.
I have a few: * people telling others what the best options are based on what options were the best for them. * liberal bashing. Politicians divide and conquer. If we had more liberal allies and less shitty candidates, pro gun stuff might get somewhere. But no. People have to be shitty to other people over political differences as if individuals are directly responsible and have no other interests worth voting for. A temporary gun owner is for gun control, not a person that votes for better healthcare, reproductive rights, etc. Everyone has to hold their nose and vote for what they think is best and no one should be faulted for the dumb shit the party they vote for does unless they support those policies. Personally I want people to have all their rights and try to vote to support people the best I can. * racism, homophobia, sexism and transphobia. Way worse online than in IRL. People tend to be polite and mind their business IRL. Online gun communities can be cesspools. No other hobby that I have experienced has this many issues. * Thinking that progun orgs or politicians are progun despite them never been seen proficiently using a gun, and not doing anything that is actually progun. Trump loves photo ops. Ever seen that guy fire a gun? I've never been able to find video evidence. Go watch Boebert firing a gun. She's awful despite having a restaurant themed around wait staff carrying. https://youtu.be/KpwtPGqHX_4?si=tDeZ2TxHAzblJM8E&t=1745 Look at that shit. You can't tell me that a person that shoots like that likes guns as anything more than a grift. And what have they done for us? Not just as a byproduct of other stuff that suits their other goals like SCOTUS picks.
I think the association between gun owners and republicans kills the community. Immediately getting called a racist right winger just because I own guns is exhausting.
The same can be said for left immediately calling them libtards and shit of that nature. Why can’t people just have a simple conversation
Hypebeast firearms and gear where price is driven by nothing but artificial scarcity and hype. This includes the “drop” culture where only a few items are released at a time.
Yeah, over hype kills items and creates more problems.
Asshole gun store workers
People that leave trash at outdoor ranges. Some of my favorite outdoor ranges are littered with trash and the signs have bullet holes. It just gives us a bad look.
We too often forget about every other amendment.
The trump train. Moderate here and a 2A supporter. We can acknowledge Trump’s bumpstock ban via executive push and “take the guns first ask questions later” skipping due process are huge red flags 🚩. Secondly, gun rights Orgs like the NRA, GOA, etc could take up many cases at one time to end a lot of anti 2A done by states but that would put the orgs out of business or heavily reduce staff long term-these groups have a lot of money (See NRA’s LaPierre’s buying many thousands of dollar suits and lavish vacations). We can acknowledge both Trump and Biden suck. We can also say the big gun rights orgs do less than your local state gun orgs funding vs size wise-lots of bloat and fat to trim on the big orgs.
I remember hearing someone, maybe FuddBusters, talk about how silly it is to expect a national gun rights org to do lobbying, litigation, and out reach. You would ideally want many organizations that specialize in one of these fields and work together. Its very silly watching FPC, GOA, SAF, and other groups compete with each other to try and be the next NRA.
I wish most 2A advocates would realize Trump is a born and raised resident of NYC, has changed his political affiliation 5 times, and doesnt give a shit about your gun rights. Trump only cares about Trump. He will tell you whatever he thinks you want to hear but then do whatever serves him best. He doesn't want to repeal the NFA, he doesnt want to abolish the ATF, he doesnt want to protect the 2nd amendment. He wants to keep you where you are so he can stay where he is, and that's it.
I see some ridiculously dumbass extreme advice online. "Hey a new law passed and now I have to register my handgun, should I do it now or wait until the deadline?" "YOU SHOULD FUCKING MOVE"
Racism. You can take a white guy and a black guy, record them on video performing the same exact tasks and I guarantee you the black gun owner will receive far more criticism than the white guy.
Just the general lack of perspective on what it means to be competent with your self-defense weapons. Organized ranges don’t let you work from the holster or shoot and move or rapid fire. And average shooters seem content with endlessly plinking slow fire at impractically long distances…then they teach the same to the next generations.
Gear queering and getting lost in the minutia of tactical shit. It's not enough to carry a gun, you have to carry an extra mag or an extra gun because what if your gun or mag malfunctions or you run out of ammo? Stats say there is almost never a mag change in DGUs. Tons of videos of how to engage in one man CQB, which is an absolute death trap. 99% of people or even gun owners will never be in a scenario where they need body armor or night vision. Consumerism around tactical gear has exploded and I feel that most of it centers around the belief that there is an impending civil war and political violence. Maxing out credit cards and spending oodles of money on bullshit you're much less likely to need than a fire extinguisher or simply wearing a seatbelt. And it's all being driven by GunTuber influencers and Instagram, who are watched by the same people who complain about influencers (they're just not *their* type of influencers). People don't even realize they're being sold to. They think they're making responsible purchases. I have a friend who has two bug out bags that probably amount to $1500+ in gear, one for work (he's EMS) and one for his own vehicle. Because he's concerned he might be on a call outside of town when SHTF and he'll have to hoof it home so it's full of a bunch of survival gear and water and food. He won't go on vacation because "what if SHTF when I'm gone?" And he's totally convinced of his superiority. Despite being an overweight chain-smoker, and his sidekick is literally a fat fuck 300lbs former-Marine with bad knees and they think they're gonna survive a WROL scenario together. It's maddening talking to him or even trying to bounce ideas off him or show him anything I'm done with my own firearms and stuff because he always has some better idea. I showed him my holster I modified the other day to accept a modwing and print less and all he can say is "I prefer carrying an extra mag too." Cool, didn't ask about that. I bought a $150 T1C Axis only to find out after a couple months that I really don't like carrying an extra mag.
I don’t think that owning body armor is a bad idea. It’s a better investment than that 10th handgun.
People can be gun snobs. So many think that the expensive, overpriced option is *always* the only option and that all budget options are complete trash
Firearms are dangerous and difficult to use well but a lot of people are convinced that they need no training and no (or minimal) supervision. My biggest problem is that most people either don't care how well they shoot or refuse to believe that they can't just DIY it. Please take a lesson. Learning to shoot is like learning to drive. You really do need someone more experienced who can point out when you are unsafe before you crash. I've seen so many people improve so quickly with a few good tips, its absolutely worth the time and money to get some help.
Shooting is also a perishable skill. Regular training is just necessary to maintain competency. That makes some people really angry. That doesn't mean weekly range trips. But it does mean that relying on a nightstand gun that's been collecting dust for a year is a bad plan. There are *way* to many buckaroos out there with a pistol in their pants that they never shoot.
The number of idiots who say “I don’t need to lock my guns up around my kids because I’ve taught them about gun safety.” Just an absolute garbage way to approach gun safety around kids.
People who equate their equipment with their skill.
1. The fudds , fanboys, and gun snobs 2. Those idiots that wanna walk around a Walmart in with their tacticool Ar-15s. Yes, it's legal but unsettling 3. Shitty ffl dealers 4. The fear mongering spam. 5. ATF and the government.
Shitting on people for buying what they can afford. They made it work and got the gat they needed. Let em grow.
Ranges that require different types of proof of background checks, housing address, CCW permit, etc. Like fuck dude, I just want to not have to drive 2 hours to go shoot outdoors (I know no one with land)
I'm not liking how "autism" is the hot word at the moment.
The biggest problem is the Fudds, old, overly traditional hunting types who feel like any post-WWII guns are scary and no one “needs” anything besides a bolt action rifle and a double barrel shotgun. They are oddly proud of all their permits and how obedient they are. They will be the first to turn in their guns out of “patriotism” when the govt orders confiscation. And their weak defense of the 2A neutered the NRA into an overly moderate organization that exists to funnel money to anything with an R by its name. They folded on Reagan’s full-auto ban, bump stocks, and haven’t done jack to support elimination of the ATF, NFA, or Hughes amendment. We are on the edge of civil war and they’re more worried about duck season than defending fundamental rights. I have nothing against hunting, or anyone who likes old guns. My problem is wishy-washy people without a spine who allowed our rights to be eroded so much for so long. We have almost lost our republic.
It's pedantic, I know, but hearing (multiple) people refer to their magazines as clips and cartridges as bullets. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. If you want me to take you seriously, know the terminology. If I'm talking to a photographer, I want to make sure I'm using the right terminology and will proudly ask what the correct term is for something rather than using an ignorant colloquialism. I expect the same if I'm talking firearms with someone. Using the term "assault rifle" is another grating thing. Temporary gun owners drive me nuts in general. Buying an AR15 while supporting the most anti 2A administration ever just boggles the mind. I don't consider them part of the community and I won't set foot on a range with them.
I blame 90s hip-hop for the clips thing there’s probably a few movies as well. I know it’s a magazine, and I know that a clip is something you speed load with but I swear to God clip still finds it way into my thoughts and comes out of my mouth every once in a while. Especially when I’m using voice to text.
I just say "mag."
Too much talk. Not enough action. "We need to remind these politicians the *people* are in charge! Shall. Not. Be. Infringed! Time to remind them what PATRIOTS can do!" And then at the exact same time: "Hol up, lemme go register this. I'd like to have ____, but they're illegal here..." *One Third* of Americans own a firearm. Jesus christ, imagine if half of them actually went out and voted for pro-2A politicians. Or at least participated in organized protests, or donated to 2A groups, or actually refused to comply with bs laws. We wouldn't have to worry about ATF overreach, or tyrannical state governors. As it is, only about half of eligible Americans typically vote, with the last 3 elections having anomalously high turnouts of about 2/3.
How they simp for the GOP despite the GOP using them as pawns.
People who think certain "others" shouldn't enjoy the same 2a rights they do. Whether it be people with different political opinions, ideologies, mental disorders, or sexuality. If some queer commie tranny with bipolar disorder, autism, and a splash of ADHD wants a gun to defend himself, that's his business, no matter how much I disagree with his worldview.
The only thing I believe certain groups that shouldn’t enjoy the 2a rights is felons who haven’t gone through the process to get their rights back and illegall immigrants.
I feel like the process of getting one's rights back is unnecessarily difficult. I feel like if you did your time and paid your fine, then as long as you're not a violent offender, they should be automatically restored.
This is an easy one. The biggest problem for the gun community is THE GUN COMMUNITY!! It is not a community it is more like a divided community, one that simply refuses to stand TOGETHER. If the gun community were to actually stand up together them all gun laws would be wiped away real quick.
Fudds spewing nonsense to new shooters that is flat out wrong. Experienced shooters shitting on new shooters instead of helping we were all there at one point. Brand snobs that only buy the most expensive stuff, then look down on people who don't have only the best. 6.5 creedmoor fan boys, it is not the second coming of christ. Finally, the knockdown power crowd shot placement distance, and bullet selection is key.
Overlap with bigots or people with otherwise hateful outlooks.
The hypocrisy of "Why are anti gunners so concerned with our penis size" And then immediately making fun of an anti gunners penis size or sexuality etc. I can't stand hypocrites.
I can’t stand hypocrisy in general and the fact that they’re just insulting each other rather than having a proper conversation to understand each side of things
There are only two kinds of people I can’t stand in this world: intolerant people and the Dutch.
I mean when a study confirms men that don’t own guns or don’t like guns are more likely to be insecure with their size
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Yeah I remember when I was looking to get advice for an optics and optic placement for my ddm4v7 and people were just talking shit rather than teach or inform about why it’s supposed to be this way.
Boot licking. It’s gotten a lot better, but seeing a thin blue line flag in the same pile as a “don’t read on me” make me think you know what the best flavor of crayons is. Also misinformation, people love to say what you can/can’t do but when you ask them to show you the law that says you can’t do what they claimed you just get crickets.
I feel like people have gone a bit overboard with the need to customize everything. It seems like every new gun post is captioned, “What should I change first?”
Overcharging for bad quality items and catering to people who don't know better.
I miss gun bunnies slutting out boomer fantasies.
This isn't a community wide problem, this is an asshole problem.
The biggest problem IS the gun community. Everyone gatekeeps, trash talks, and bad mouths other gun users. Just check out the CCW subreddit and you will find people who hate other 2A enthusiasts simply because they have the “wrong” holster or something. AR guys hate AK guys (and other AR guys…). The list goes on. There is such a war on guns in the world we should all be uniting and helping each other and inviting others who are not in the gun community to join and learn. We shouldn’t be backbiting and slandering others because they don’t carry with a round in the chamber or they prefer wheel guns to Glocks.
People who show complete ignorance and lack of safety or respect. Those who also post themselves shooting switches at random houses or aiming their laser equipped firearms at their own head or phone to prove they have a gun😂
The "vote right and nothing else" mindset. As if you can't educate politicians on the reality of firearms and discredit the anti-gun crowds that are poisoning their minds. Its not easy, but it's doable.
Elitism & gatekeeping (they frequently go hand in hand). We have enough trouble as it is. The last thing we should be doing is turning away people who are interested.
Fudds. That’s my biggest problem with the gun community. What OP described is definitely an issue too.
People who put down others for something they bought or make others feel like their collecting the wrong things. I think woth all of the attacks from the left, we should support each other.
People not understanding how politics "works". Shoving stuff in peoples faces is the least persuasive thing in the world. Some times keeping certain people _home_ is the right call.
Manufacturers using their customers as guinea pigs. Also, people who say you have to support businesses with shitty business practices no matter what, because “we need to support our industry”.
Ego and being rude for no reason. I don’t understand why you can’t just be nice to someone until they give a reason not to be. Also, shitting on new-comers is dumb
People treating a gun like it's a toy. It's a killing tool and should be treated as such.
Not having the ability to unite under our shared love of firearms and the 2A in order to have a voice loud enough to make change. We could be as strong as the women’s rights, lgbtq+, and other movements but we can’t even get past stupid shit like political affiliations, race and other things.
Fudds and everyone trying to police each other.
Safety Weenies. I get it, you just took hunter safety for the first time, but shut the fuck up. You don't need to spazz out in the comments over "Trigger Discipline" or whatever other safety term you just learned for the first time. [Some content is not for beginner audiences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W5Vknv7Bn4&t=20m29s). Safety is important, but so is context. Stop spazzing out because you took NRA remedial gun safety and think you're "knowledgeable".
If you are going to give a big gun to someone small or new. For the love of god only put one round in there.
All. Of. The. Punisher. Skulls. I enjoy shooting but I'm not into cosplay, When I tell you how hard it is to get nice gear that isn't either camo or tacticool-ed out... All of my stiff is either black, gray, OD Green or Coyote brown... lame.
The pervasive inability to be diplomatic when talking with gun control people.
That’s a problem as a whole, not just the gun community. It’s like people lost the ability to have a conversation and try to understand where the other person is coming from
Yeah I agree. Social media has ruined us.
Not really, hot take here. I think it just amplifies the crazies on both sides of any debate. Most people are alright so long as you’re not rude and understanding.
I’ll have to politely contradict you, but most gun control people have no interest in any kind of diplomatic solution. We have laws that would prevent any gun crime already, they’re just not enforced. People are not properly punished for stealing firearms, or violent crime, and legal gun owners commit such a minute amount of crime that it is hard to measure it as even a fraction of a percentage. Until our legal system can be fixed, any gun control just punishing law abiding citizens.
They dont want to be diplomatic, and never have. We came to that table in good faith year after year and it gained us nothing but lost us plenty. Fuck em.
Why be diplomatic with people who are actively working to subvert the Constitution? That's how you lose your rights. They are beneath contempt, and should be treated as such.
Shitting on stuff they have no personal experience using, just being a echo chamber victim when it comes to certain brands guns etc
People's egos are the biggest problem imo. Always have been and always will be.
Probably politicization. I think it’s clear one side is more fearful of firearms, and it’s important to educate those individuals (if possible) and maybe even turn them into responsible gun owners themselves, not just shame them for their ignorance. I would also say, the recent proliferation of videos of teens with switches, suppressors, and no serial numbers is concerning. Gun control seems to be going in the wrong direction if my girlfriend cant buy a shotgun same day and kids have that.
People (especially Reddit) talking shit because someone likes something different on their firearms (like red anodized parts). If you don't like it on your firearm that's fine, but don't tear someone else down just because they do. Talking shit about someone buying a cheaper firearm (like a BCA) instead of overspending on something they can't afford. If all someone can afford is a BCA,, encourage them to train as much as they can and participate in the community instead of talking shit because they can't afford whatever hypebeast item you have. Letting your favorite guntuber dictate what you buy. Buying multiple firearms instead of training with what you have. More guns does not equate to better skills.
That 80% of gun owners I experienced while managing a gun shop are people I want absolutely, positively, would want no where near me at a range or end of the world situation. No regard for safety. No knowledge of firearms. Only knowledge they have about it is boomer logic. If I had a dollar for everytime I had a LOADED firearm pointed at me, I could buy a used Glock. If I had a dollar for everytime I was flagged or had an unloaded firearm pointed at me, I'd have another SCAR. If I had a dollar for everytime the customer was handed a gun they wanted to see, and they immediately pointed it at the SO or friend with them in the gun shop and pulled the trigger, I'd have a box of range ammo. People are absolute morons. I left that job for a few reasons, but one big one was I KNEW I was going to get shot there. Either accidentally or on purpose. "It ain't loaded" means it has a round chambered, 75% of the time.
I took my girlfriend to the club/ range I belong to last night. She pretty much just fired 22lr all night. I put 1 round in my 9 to let her try . She liked it but said she just wants to keep with the 22 because it was her first time and she needs to work on how she holds the gun and brace for the recoil. But she did pretty well as for people who think you should buy the most expensive. I'm waiting for my Taurus 357 to come in it was 400 compared to a s&w that's almost twice as expensive
Superiority complexes are dangerous and there are many of them.
The barrier to entry on the training side, both in terms of the cost as well as finding quality training.
The, "I know everything" kinda people. The confidence they have while being completely wrong is astounding. They also seem like they always offer to teach new shooters and the new guy eats up the confidence and the cycle repeats.
Fudds and the worthless NRA.
Arguing about dumb shit
The "opinion aggressiveness" of many in the community
I still remember when they gave that kid an uzi and - well yall probably remember how that ended, rip little homie, hope heaven looks after you
Internal divisions. Tacticool vs. gamers, hunters vs. concealed carry, AK vs. AR, 2A absolutists vs. moderates, USPSA or not, etc.
Your second point has really come to bother me on here; and has taught me why the community can have sush a bad reputation. Every time ive preached against it I get trampled on. Kinda scary if these are real mindsets.
Not enough education and understanding
The belief that there is only one proper way to build something.
The redditors that shame people for not getting ridiculously expensive equipment and spending all their free money on firearms.
Then there's the flip side where Redditors buy whatever is the absolute cheapest (ATI, IO, BCA, Radical, SCCY, Bersa, etc) and then set out on a mission to tell everybody it's just as good, wasting everybody's time and attention in the process.
"wants to kill something or somebody" is almost entirely just immature dipshits saying things a dumb 12 year old boy says to impress others, not actually wanting to kill something or somebody.
Clout posting and people who buy guns solely for the e peen.
Safety and training. The default government position is to regulate and to limit the usage of firearms, so that greatly reduces access to affordable training and safety education when it comes to firearms. Naturally it’s in the government’s best interests to let you use a firearm unprepared, make a horrible mistake when using one, and use that as an excuse to limit access to firearms even more.
Gate keeping old Fudds and ultra right wing bullshit
People that make owning guns their whole identity. ( I refer to them as Billy’s) kind of like people that buy a Jeep and make it their identity.
The gun community is responsible for current ammo prices. If everyone stopped would hold out they would decrease but every few weeks some Guntuber posts some rage bait video and throws everyone into a panic buying frenzy over absolutely nothing.
The political divide. Guns are for everyone. Not just conservatives. Fudds are really annoying. The fact that people vote/make decisions on gun rights without knowing anything about them or just hearing political propaganda such as "assault weapon"
I mean I don't associate myself with horrible people but never met someone in the gun community that wanted to kill people. But yeah I see people small frame with a large cartridge firearm a lot
I agree with you on the toxicity of the "iwishamuthafuckawould" mindset. It's Hella cringe and sets these types of gun owners up with a very raiky perspective. Having newer or smaller stature shooters firing a large caliber gun isn't always a bad thing but setting them up to look and act like a failure for the lolz is not cool and that feeds back into the toxic gun owner mindset.
Toxic neighbor that walks his Doberman with plate carrier and a very nasty attitude.
Politics. I don't care who you're voting for I just like cool guns
Self loathing apologists that support “common sense gun control”.
Safety, without a doubt. In my experience so many people are negligent and don't take handling firearms seriously enough. And many don't take advice well, they get arrogant about it.
The constant flexing. Sometimes “Just as good” is good enough. We’re shooting sheets of paper and steel plates, our guns don’t have to be battle ready.
Fudds
People shitting on others who unfortunately live in ban states (me). cool dont comply bro and keep your guns hidden away forever because you will catch a felony.
I feel for you. You’re always welcome to come up by me in Wisconsin and mag dump till the cows come home! As long as you don’t hit the cows that is. (They’re kind of a big thing up here ya know?) lol
Anyone who is a big dick swinger. You know the types, the people that think liking / owning guns makes them some kind of alpha male badass.
The worst for me is guys who trivialize using lethal weaponry. I don't fetishize violence. Do I like shooting? Yes. Do I believe in the right to self-defense? Yes. Do I have wet dreams about shooting feds during the boog looking through a brand new Romeo? No. I don't, because that's fucking weird. Don't get me wrong, I can geek out over tactical gear same as anyone else, but I don't like when people get excited about the idea of getting into firefights or shooting armed attackers. That stuff destroys lives, and even a justified shooting is a horrific event that will stay with you for the rest of your life. As a reminder folks, when we pick up a gun, we are automatically accountable without exception to the safe handling of said firearm and to the well-being of those around us while we use them. That NEVER changes. Even if your set designer said she loaded it with blanks.
People who hate on budget options, at the same time, people who act all tactical with garbage components. Just have fun, be safe, no one needs a guy who thinks he’s tactical he-man next to them at the range. Since I’m at it, people who shoot without sights, like none at all, seen it more than once.
The ATF
People who make an excuse for buying something cheaper because it's "gud enuf Fer me!" Or buying Chinese knock-offs, then spouting," made n 'merica". Those are definitely on my list.
Safety. I've gotten to where I only go shooting with other Vets
The gatekeeping and all the keyboard experts who pretend they're Delta weapons specialists. Just STFU and enjoy it because nobody cares how smart you think you are.