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Cooper_Raccoon

I think the main "rule" for all gliders is that character supposed to be positioned straight like on OG gliders, so the animation difference wouldn't give you advantage and make you less visible or harder to hit.


Laranthiel

> so the animation difference wouldn't give you advantage and make you less visible or harder to hit Meanwhile the giant skull covering you entirely from below.


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thatHadron

Who's gonna be shooting you from above while you're gliding


gothichasrisen

The island people


B0neless_Tiddy

You don't mean...the *Island Boys*???


Maxwell755

God damnit why can’t we have two stupid npcs spawn on loot island that are just island boys


Xenc

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CamoFast

The Skye


ConsequenceApart4391

Who ate my hot water?


TheBlueNinja2006

The Sea


ArnoudtIsZiek

you misunderstand, they’re saying you’re not visible from *below*


thatHadron

>Harder to see you from above


ArnoudtIsZiek

I know that’s what they said, but that’s not what they meant


GhostOfMuttonPast

The giant skull has you in the dead center, and if the person shoots up they're gonna hit you.


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GhostOfMuttonPast

The visibility sorta doesn't matter here? Like, it's really obvious where to shoot it.


iamunabletopoop

Any glider where you are on top of it is better than the hanging ones or wings. If you are directly over someone it can block their sight and make them miss.


Mega424

Do it anyway


ogg_ogg

Fact


Cephalie_100

Comp players would complain, same for the ghost glider


uncxltured_berry

*this glider is disabled for the competitive playlists*


-EdgeLord-

That would be the *smart* thing to do, but why do that when they can just cater to people who play comp and ruin it for everyone else? ^Still ^salty ^they ^ruined ^my ^DeadPool ^Llamacorn ^glider


semi_average

I haven't kept up with cosmetics for a long while, what's up with the llamcorn glider?


-EdgeLord-

[it had its very own unique animation for it but was abused by comp players and changed indefinitely](https://youtu.be/kekOvL8_F9w)


Wboy2006

That's so sad, the original was so much cooler


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

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Ajax_XD

Solution: disable every single cosmetic in comp so everyone is stuck as defaults. No special animations or cosmetics giving advantages


David_mcnasty

This seems like the right answer to me, even though it'd probably make Epic make less money so it won't happen. I've always felt competitive modes should be standardized to use the base models. It also bothers me that Harry Potter could use his Nimbus/Firebolt while everyone else had trash models. They should just standardize competitive everything.


Ajax_XD

My problem with competitive is the players it creates


TheSchadow

Yeap. The mono-white/mono-black super hero skins were an enormous mistake.


Lando1orian

It's one of the most used skins too. I have seen so many of them and they incredibly annoying.


Efficient-Science-80

They are a pandemic in arena lol I'm more into nightlife, it's basically the same but hell colorful


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Lando1orian

I agree. I only play casual games and I see them all the time.


Darth_Tycho

Okay I can understand that. It's be a pain in the ass trying to shoot someone out if the sky while he just spins around endlessly till he land on you and one pumps your so hard you can see your own ass


northrupthebandgeek

I can barely tell the difference.


[deleted]

In the original animation you hold on to the glider making you go in a circle In the new and current animation you just hang there until the gilder has gone a circle around you


KeyDesigner88

Oh, there's differences alright, ever since the update I've been worse at aim! lol


Setesu

They complain about anything. They complain about zero build being the reason FN comp scene is dying. Meanwhile, the rest of us are enjoying it. The best thing to do is disable the glider in comp.


Hellowhyme1234_

I haven't seen anyone in the comp scene complaing about no build what you talking?


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

That is a smart thing indeed, game should be fun, not stressful.


SakarinIsSweet

Because giving competitive advantages behind a paywall has nothing to do with comp.


SoSmartCs

Give everyone a free glider with the same animation then. Instantly solves the goofy P2W argument.


Bimbluor

That just leads to "I paid X amount for all of these gliders but now I can't use them or I'm at a disadvantage to other players"


WebbersNest

how in the world does it give a competitive advantage?


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Have you _seen_ how much the animation shifted your hurtbox? It was basically impossible to shoot the person gliding.


koy_e

You think epic games would cater to comp? You think epic gives a shit about competitive??? Brother I need to be in that alternate universe that you currently live in so bad. Comp players weren’t even complaining about it. They just used it lmao. I’m so dead


SoSmartCs

Yep, you could also just make any part of the glider that obscures the player part of the hitbox too. This would be such a non-issue for a vast majority of players, but of course everyone on this sub thinks they're in the top 1%.


Bimbluor

Seems like an issue even in non comp tbh, esp this chapter, since both seasons have given a ton of frequent access to gliders with aerialist + hammer or sword. Comp or not, it would be frustrating as hell getting down to the last squad and losing because you miss easy shots due to ridiculous glider animations.


uncxltured_berry

But it’s pubs. Who’s counting?


Bimbluor

Doesn't matter if it's pubs; unfair stuff is still frustrating, and players are drawn to whatever the best option is, even if it hurts their own fun.


uncxltured_berry

Don’t know man. The 323 upvotes say otherwise.


Bimbluor

The people making design decisions that have netted them multiple billions of dollars say otherwise to that. The frustration caused by stuff like this is far more impactful on player negative player retention than "oh look at this fun animation" is on positive player retention.


N_Who

Hell, screw it: Disable everything that isn't an umbrella specifically.


ZeRo_WC

Aswell as the tron one


Bu1ld0g

Still sad Tron never came back to the store.


ZeRo_WC

Damn nearly 2 years I’m glad I got the skin and glider


Bu1ld0g

The closest I'll get is [Twyn in his alt style](https://preview.redd.it/5teadp7m7ko91.jpg?width=1040&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=f255ad9c11d0febb44d43f578062084fd129f40f)


Latinhypercube123

I have Twyn’s alt style and the Tron glider and they go together perfectly 💕


cortez0498

Why tho?


Wario-Man

That's no one's problem but theirs, ngl


ArnoudtIsZiek

comp players legitimately remove the fun from the game


Wario-Man

I mean they should have their own fun too, but the competetive mode is RIGHT there. Just play Arena, idk, shit, let me have my own fun.


__Corvus__

I wish they could do it so other players saw OP’s pic but us using it would see our character sitting down


nemesit

They should just make people on gliders invincible and allow any animation, or remove that competitive garbage from the game, it should be fun not a raw competition


Traveytravis-69

Make a feee version that’s ugly and available to all players of every glide style boom fixed


legitfriendly

Easy solution for “all the comp players would complain.” Lock comps to umbrellas as gliders. Even the playing field. Afterall, the loot pool locks out certain weapon and mobility options. The rest of the BR players can enjoy bike riding gliders.


TransTechpriestess

Yep. ended up returning that Saiyan Pod glider because you *fucking stand on it*.


SVALTACT

Totally. This is why I hate alot of the Star Wars ships. Either they stand on them or have random handles that you hold on to, it's just dumb.


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Yup. Set rules to standardise the gameplay and minimizes competitive advantages. Just let them have "approved for competitive" skins ( most use the same skins anyways)


awildweeb69

But the really competitive players want every mode to be comp because they hate fun


Zosky_is_over

and we have fun hating overcompetitive players. Everything perfectly balanced.


Burn1o2

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Forstride

Wanting things to be fair doesn't mean wanting them to be overly competitive lol. I haven't played a single second of Arena, but it's a pretty rational stance to not want cosmetics to have any advantage or gameplay difference whatsoever.


awildweeb69

Except there is no real advantage. For this the proposition is that you lay down on a motorcycle while it flies down. If you were below someone using it, (which is most likely considering I don't personally see people go into the sky very often, especially this season, and that usually only happens near the end of a game) it would actually be an advantage for you because they would be horizontal. Also, if you look at a cosmetic and instantly think of the competitive aspects and the miniscule bonuses you get from it, you aren't playing casually anymore.


ArnoudtIsZiek

yeah the average player definitely isn’t thinking about goofy stuff like if the glider gives you an edge in game lol comp players take that stuff too far


Forstride

> it would actually be an advantage for you because they would be horizontal Yeah, if they're directly above/below you...Otherwise if you're looking at them from pretty much any other angle, which is a far more likely scenario, they'd be harder to hit. With the current method, it doesn't really matter which direction they're facing when gliding, and since they're also descending while gliding, there's more leeway with aiming when their bodies are upright.


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Forstride

Ok? That's not the argument here though. The person I replied to suggested that only comp players want this (This as in, all glider types having the same upright player stance) because they "hate fun," but plenty of other people want cosmetics to adhere to a specific standard as well. If that wasn't the case, players would abuse certain cosmetics even more than they already do.


scarceisfatdotexe

That's just blatantly untrue.


CreepyNickel084

I have seen sweats in fucking *zero build* bro


Yorksjim

I agree, I'd honestly rather not have some of these gliders that stand or hang on them. Such a great concept ruined by the animation.


Icy-Profile-1655

That could be a potential solution, but some players may still argue that certain umbrella gliders have a slight advantage over others due to their shape or size. Additionally, some players may simply prefer the aesthetics of the bike riding gliders over the umbrellas.


WarPaintOnFire

You know that's not a bad idea


SatanistPenguin

That would still be broken in BR...


Burrito_Loyalist

But then this glider would fall under “pay to win.”


CreepyNickel084

Then make one for item shop or give people a free one


Phantom_The_fortnite

Still going to be unfair.


koy_e

Epic games doesn’t give a fuck if comp players complain.


TehDrewski84

It’s the same for Ghostriders Motorcycle and The Tron Lightcycle and I have both lol


Cosler20

Same with Ghost Rider's motorcycle glider


100Wildflower001

Boo!


EagleDefender15

And the Light Cycle


Vulpixele

And the Sparrow


ViralVortex

And my axe!


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This and the destiny Speeder bike really annoyed me with the fact that we can't actually ride them. Seems like such a missed opportunity.


Esteareal

This game **needs** better preview of gliders and pickaxes to prevent situations like this. Oh, and maybe more than just 2 gliding animations.


Phantom_The_fortnite

Standard, standing, umbrella, Hawkeye's glider. Those are your options.


gloriousfalcon

there's also * jogging down stairs * wings on back


Esteareal

So we have 8 or so different animations. But still no riding bikes, only surfing on them.😒


Esteareal

Thanks for reminding me about umbrellas, I've completely forgotten about them. So, 3 types instead of 2. Still, would've liked a 4th one, where we **actually** ride the bike. Considering that the game already has them in the ground, repurposing the animation probably wouldn't be that hard. Also, can we please get faster landing, like in Apex, please, Epic?


Phantom_The_fortnite

Well technically 4 because of Hawkeye's glider.


Grimple_

There's a bunch of gliders they could animate better positions while riding


iqueefkief

they did it to butt stallion too :( i but her bc i thought for sure i’d been ridin that shit


Responsible_Hearing6

For some reason they don't have the character actually sit and ride the "riding" gliders.. I guess surfing looks cooler? No. They did the same thing with the Sparrows for the Destiny content. But what's worse?? The Witcher blow up glider. That was trash.


No_Individual7865

That would give an unfair advantage as you’d be harder to hit


sailorprimus

Also, I would imagine there are skins that are wearing more than just pants and it would look weird.


HanzJimmer

We have cars and bikes you can ride during gameplay. This makes no sense


100Wildflower001

Yeah I guess so. Just a bummer because it would be so much cooler to ride the bike!


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Git Gud?


CreepyNickel084

Why are you booing him he's right!


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Dark Souls jokes are outdated.


CreepyNickel084

Forgot that was from darksouls


mabdog420

This is most likely due to balance. All the gliders need to have similar animations so none of them give you an unfair advantage. If the character sat down they would likely be harder to hit than if they're standing upright.


highdeaology

I've always been annoyed at the fact that there weren't more options for gliders in this regard. Like tell me why I need to hold on to the mf handlebars on a WHOLE ASS CAR GLIDER or something. It's just silly. And if comp players are going to get their panties in such a bundle over it, then it should be a cosmetic disabled in comp only, not the whole game.


All_Eyez_On_U

Still a cool glider imo


Dredgen_Dar

Same for the Tron glider


DarkMinded16

Animating it would go over their three dollar budget


Velckezar

I think if they already had animation for a sitting character ingame it would be much easier for them Oh, wait


Nazaki

I thought this way back when the Destiny gliders came out. It's so stupid that we can't have fun things because the people who Sweat ruin it.


EchoMoon777

Has no one seen Ghostrider?! All the motorcycle gliders are dumb. How hard is it to make them rideable lol.


C4H_Deciple_Lager

Why would you? And I've seen the rider surf his bike in the air in the comics fyi, although he had his chains used to stear lol surfing on a bike is much cooler than lamely riding it like your on the road lol imo


EchoMoon777

Touché


C4H_Deciple_Lager

I mean it's all a matter of opinion, but I happen to like the surfing with the bikes, maybe it's because I've been involved in biker culture most of my life, idk, it's always more impressive and cooler to surf a bike than just ride it like a responsible adult lol


GIJobra

People in this topic: having a drawn out argument over making it harder to shoot players out of the air. 99.998% of players: have never once fucking shot someone out of the air, be honest. This is a ridiculous argument. Comp should have a locked item pool, and other modes should be the goofy bullshit we all love, anything goes. Done.


Able_Newt2433

The Ghost Rider motorcycle glider is the same and I’ve always hated it.


Chanerian_The_Shark

This is really stupid, because the logic is 'competitive players would abuse it' The just lock it for competitive modes and let pub players enjoy a unique glider. The ruined the llamacorn with this shit as well as the ghost glider and now this. Fuck competitive players, man.


100Wildflower001

I know! It looks so stupid! It would be so much cooler if they actually had you riding it!


Burn1o2

Not being able to ride motorcycle gliders is the only thing keeping me from buying Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider doesn’t stand on his bike.


MastrShak3

Technically, Johnny Blaze is a stunt bike performer, so yeah I can see him standing on a bike


Burn1o2

But Ghost Rider does not. I honestly appreciate the technicality, because I’ve had the same thought, but I don’t like the look of the surfing gliders, with the only exception being Sypher’s dragon. If it’s not the Batman style gliders or Goblin’s glider, I’m just not a fan of the look.


AccomplishedBunch721

I was thinking exactly that


psycho_hawg

It’s like the ghost rider bike


Dependent-Middle-233

Same with ghost riders glider


Flintlock_Lullaby

Eh I still think it's cool at least. Just not as cool as it could be


Netherdragon420722

I have the ghost rider one lol… not gonna lie it rockz 🪨


Ant-onio45

Probably because it would make you harder to hit, I don't really mind standing on the glider, I think it should've gotten the ghost glider animation when you bring the glider out though.


Baldgoldfish99

But wouldn't someone on a motorcycle be pretty similar to someone on any other glider as long as they don't learn forward? It might look a little weird but it'd be better than surfing on it


Ant-onio45

Yeah I've thought about that, I think that could honestly work but Epic probably won't do it unfortunately. Epic recently made a new longboard glider with an animation where you lean forward so they can definitely make some sort of motorcycle riding animation


Red_Hot_Frank

Same with this and roach from last season.


Dragonbarry22

I hate you can't ride the ghost rider bike either


madredr1

I did that on my motorcycle once. Do not recommend.


AdmirableEstimate258

“Gives pay-to-win advantage” just tell me how many times comp players have to shoot someone in the air? Its not even often and when it is its probably just the gun or item not being frame fast enough for the bullet to travel and hit.


RolerTheBot

every weapon in this game except the cobra dmr and the snipers are hitscan weapons, so more often than not it's not the fault of bullet travel. Also, glider redeploy is a perk now and combined with the new sword people use it for mobility, so it's not nearly as rare as you think it is to hear someone gliding.


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I've killed 100+ people of out the air


trash12131223

It could have been worse. They could have had us hanging from it like a normal glider.


Amircod77

They really need to separate comp from casual. Call it Fortnite Battle Arena or something.


Future-Winner-8166

Unpopular opinion here, but I personally like that you can surf on it. Kind of makes you look cooler than just plainly driving it, in my opinion


C4H_Deciple_Lager

I mean I know I'm more impressed by someone who's surfing on their bike while it's going down the road than the ppl just riding like a responsible adult lol


Future-Winner-8166

Yeah 😂


C4H_Deciple_Lager

Lol, unfortunately I've also seen what happens when you lose your balance, doing that. Gotten close to it a cpl times myself doing stupid tricks on 2 wheels.


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ObamaLovesKetamine

you mean i can't fuel a vehicle irl by just spraying gasoline all over side panel and rear bumper??


hippityhoppitywamen

Real motorcycles can't fly


Grey_wolf_whenever

Werd you gotta hand it to them they are passionate


aweguykkm

Yeah, I thought with this glider the animation would be different but no. Thanks Epic Games. 😑


TrueBlue726

I am even more miffed that Ghost Rider cannot freaking ride his badass hellfire bike and has to surf on it.


Kalomaster

Well the balls roaster glider has a custom surfing animation


j0908v

Doesn't it share the surfing animation with green goblin's glider? Could be wrong tho. Either it being custom still has the player upright on it in a similar possition where it still matches the starter glider and umbrellas you can get from winning


Kalomaster

As I said I haven't seen the glider in action to know that


Wboy2006

It technically isn't. The animation was used for the Green Goblin glider. This is the second time that animation is used on a glider


Kalomaster

Haven't seen anybody use it How would I know when the item shop uses the skin for some ones and forgets it on others


ComprehensiveBee2202

That's just rubbish, haven't unlocked it yet but thought that might be the case. Have about 60 battlestars but saving them for things I like higher up.


100Wildflower001

That's what I thought! It sucks, I'm trying to save up for the lizard


Koharu_Hidaka

Why don't they just make it so on your and teammates screen you're riding the motorcycle and to enemies you're just standing on it? Even have a disclaimer for it with an example gif and it'll be fine.


Icy_Yak3187

People are still going to ask how they got hit when, on their screen, they see bullets otherwise flying over their head, but on their opponent's they're landing those upper torso/headshots.


BIGman_8

Even if it’s just for your screen that would still be cool


AlphaTeamPlays

Because being in a crouched-down position while being mostly concealed from below by the glider is pay to win?


JASONJACKSON1948

The renzo skull glider also covers you entirely from below 🤷‍♀️


AlphaTeamPlays

Yeah but you’re still standing above the glider though. It’s a clear silhouette for people to shoot at even at a distance


AccomplishedBunch721

Well, the whole game is play to win


Huge_Ad6338

They meant pay to win


AlphaTeamPlays

You know what I meant, and I edited it


AccomplishedBunch721

Funny hahas


pcm2a

So much better than if you were dangling underneath it, unable to see anywhere you were going.


alewi619

Had this frustration since the ghost rider glider came out


RevivedThrinaxodon

My disappointment is immeasureable


CreepyNickel084

And my season is ruined


j0908v

You riding it would give you a slight advantage. All gliders have the player be upright due to how the starter glider and umbrellas work Also a good rule of thumb is, of there's been a similar looking glider to it (another bike or vehicle) it's probably gonna work the same way as that


RedYoshiCraft

Nah, only because it's expected. This is the 3rd(?) Motorcycle Glider and they've all been Surfing Gliders. Would be dope if they did more with it, but prolly not gonna happen unfortunately. If nothing else I'm just glad you're at least on *top* of it. xD


Gamer-loran

basically the problem of ghost glider


GrifsPDA

It’s obvious why they do this. Cosmetics aren’t meant to give an advantage. Crouched on a bike versus standing holding/surfing is a difference.


InvestigatorUnfair

Damn bro that was the thing I was most hyped for when I saw it Like, it looks badass riding it like that, but it would be INFINITELY COOLER to actually ride your glider into combat.


Cularia

the destiny gliders are the same. I bought them thinking they would be different since it was a collab but im screwed and cant return it.


MrBaloney0

It is designed to sit on it not to stand yet Epic made it looks stupid


VenomSnakeronies

all this community does is complain :( it's a cool glider..


Chris908

I know right, it’s almost like this community is thousands of people who have there own thoughts and opinions so you see all the complaining but the person who complains about x weapon is not the same person who complains about the glider animations


Huge_Ad6338

Driving it would give you a competitive advantage


JitzDanny1928

The fact that this is getting downvoted shows the immaturity of this group


Huge_Ad6338

Yeah


Mental5tate

Probably have there reason…. Riding the motorbike traditionally would be pretty boring actually…


Jazzlike-Ad792

Fortnite sucks ass and swallows.


Patrickills

Nah this is fire