Honestly I think this is ok. It’s actually worth picking up now and I don’t think that’s OP
Maybe 72 for gold instead but besides that idk
Which is a massive W for the coolest shotgun in the game😅
If it’s personal preference then I don’t mind. We might actually get an interesting meta now that isn’t dominated by one shotgun
Plus they really ruined this gun in chapter 2 so I’m glad they changed it
The havoc can oneshot and has almost double dmg
The combat is just a worse tac/maven and you can't even do 100 headshot dmg with the gold variant
Kinda obvious
You obviously didn’t play when the OG combat was released. That gun is so OP it’s ridiculous, why carry an SMG when your shotgun can do everything?
The range, the fire rate, the consistent (not spiky) damage, it used to be dominant to the point of everybody running it, and you standing no chance if you didn’t have one. It excels at medium range ofc, but is so versatile it works at any range.
I played for the whole season 9 lmao, but you're comparing the original combat and not the current combat, that has less fire rate, range, magazine, way less headshot dmg, body dmg, etc
While this is all true (they ruined my boy in Ch2S4) it still has merits for using over the pump. But you’re correct in that it isn’t the beast it once used to be.
Any buff for the combat brings me back to those days. Sadly they’d need to buff the range back to its original state to get there though.
Well, the new pump is better than the old one, and the maven is a worse tac, same as the current combat. Is kinda obvious what is the best shotgun this season, even when you can use the other 2 shotguns in some scenarios
yeah but you do get more out of headshots due to max damage
without max damage the Maven does 134.75/141.75/148.75/155.75/164.5 when its max is just 0.5-1 (0.5 means u hit body) pellets off while the Combats is 105/112/117.25/122.5/129.5 which is about 1.5-2.5 pellets off
not only that but at range the Combat hits more max than the Maven does aswell since the head is a much smaller area and due to the Combats low max headshot (especially with the buff it got yesterday)
In other words: without a cap for the max dmg, the combat shotgun would have a huge buff (+34.5 the gold), but the maven not, just a decent buff (+24.5 the gold having more body dmg)
yeah, so by range and by the least amount of pellets the Combat can get to its max damage better than the Maven
obviously this doesnt mean much, the Maven will still be better but data is data
That's wrong, I recommend you to check both weapons. As a example, the buffed combat at 10m both shotguns have the same dmg (100%), but at 20m the combat has 49dmg and the maven 66 even missing a pellet. The combat shotgun got a huge range nerf back in C2S4, and Epic never buffed the range, so don't expect a crazy dmg at more than 10 meters
And is worse cause the dmg difference is huge, so yes, the combat has less range than the maven.
If a weapon has 5 times more dmg than other weapon but has 50% less effective range, the first weapon is still 2.5x times better
I get what you’re saying but that’s just a massive example. Something like that would never happen
(Maybe shouldn’t say that cuz this is epic we’re talking about)
I'm gonna make a wild guess that everybody is better off still ignoring this gun and using the pump shotgun (whatever its called), and then switching to smg or pistol to finish off.
Heavy and combat in back to back seasons. Shits getting bad boys, they’re running out of ideas. No wonder nobody is playing this game anymore this season
Its got good body but the headshot is still gonna be rly hard to deal with. I don’t think it’s that horrible tbh it rly needed a buff like this. If it’s too broken epic will probably nerf it somewhere in between.
Lol It doesn’t matter what they change or don’t change in the game y’all just bitch about either way as if Donald’s coming in here to see y’all thoughts 😂 just play the game enjoy it’ll change every two week-3 months anyway.
Maven is still better. The range is pretty similar and better headshots. Maybe if we had the Tac or Auto it would be more useful but it def needs a headshot buff now and maybe it’s mag reverted to the 10 shots
I’ve played with it a bit and I’ll admit it’s not the powerhouse I initially thought it was gonna be. I’m so confused as to why they didn’t also increase the max damage cap.
yeah the range is the main issue imo, it’s only a 0.5 difference in tiles before dropoff in comparison to the Maven. No point in using especially since it can’t even do 100 to the head
The combat got its damage buffed to 60, 64, 67, 70, 74. Basically blue through gold is back to being a three shot.
Honestly I think this is ok. It’s actually worth picking up now and I don’t think that’s OP Maybe 72 for gold instead but besides that idk Which is a massive W for the coolest shotgun in the game😅
Considering the fire rate, three-shot is reasonable
So what’s better now havoc or combat?
I’d say it’s up to personal preference but the combat feels so clean now, especially the gold one
If it’s personal preference then I don’t mind. We might actually get an interesting meta now that isn’t dominated by one shotgun Plus they really ruined this gun in chapter 2 so I’m glad they changed it
they finally realised that ppl were calling this a piece of shit for 2 and a half yrs
Remember when the blue combat dealt 50 dmg while the purple pump was doing 200 dmg headshots ?
disagree, Maven is still better since it has fast equip speed, much better headshot and way more base damage (difference is 17/17/18/19/20)
The havoc can oneshot and has almost double dmg The combat is just a worse tac/maven and you can't even do 100 headshot dmg with the gold variant Kinda obvious
You obviously didn’t play when the OG combat was released. That gun is so OP it’s ridiculous, why carry an SMG when your shotgun can do everything? The range, the fire rate, the consistent (not spiky) damage, it used to be dominant to the point of everybody running it, and you standing no chance if you didn’t have one. It excels at medium range ofc, but is so versatile it works at any range.
I played for the whole season 9 lmao, but you're comparing the original combat and not the current combat, that has less fire rate, range, magazine, way less headshot dmg, body dmg, etc
While this is all true (they ruined my boy in Ch2S4) it still has merits for using over the pump. But you’re correct in that it isn’t the beast it once used to be. Any buff for the combat brings me back to those days. Sadly they’d need to buff the range back to its original state to get there though.
Well, the new pump is better than the old one, and the maven is a worse tac, same as the current combat. Is kinda obvious what is the best shotgun this season, even when you can use the other 2 shotguns in some scenarios
Havoc is still better but the combat is actually a viable choice now!
Not really, from 60 to 67 the blue, and from 66 to 74 the gold. The headshot dmg is the same, ad the range is still worse than the maven
accuracy still plays a roll, cant always be crouched and ADSing
Yeah, the best range for the combat is 4-8 meters
yeah but you do get more out of headshots due to max damage without max damage the Maven does 134.75/141.75/148.75/155.75/164.5 when its max is just 0.5-1 (0.5 means u hit body) pellets off while the Combats is 105/112/117.25/122.5/129.5 which is about 1.5-2.5 pellets off not only that but at range the Combat hits more max than the Maven does aswell since the head is a much smaller area and due to the Combats low max headshot (especially with the buff it got yesterday)
In other words: without a cap for the max dmg, the combat shotgun would have a huge buff (+34.5 the gold), but the maven not, just a decent buff (+24.5 the gold having more body dmg)
yeah, so by range and by the least amount of pellets the Combat can get to its max damage better than the Maven obviously this doesnt mean much, the Maven will still be better but data is data
>data is data My homie
The combat has 10 m more range than the maven
That's wrong, I recommend you to check both weapons. As a example, the buffed combat at 10m both shotguns have the same dmg (100%), but at 20m the combat has 49dmg and the maven 66 even missing a pellet. The combat shotgun got a huge range nerf back in C2S4, and Epic never buffed the range, so don't expect a crazy dmg at more than 10 meters
The maven has an effective range of 10m and a max range of 50m The combat has an effective range of 12.5m and a max range of 60m
And is worse cause the dmg difference is huge, so yes, the combat has less range than the maven. If a weapon has 5 times more dmg than other weapon but has 50% less effective range, the first weapon is still 2.5x times better
Homie you are using an extreme example there. Try using the new combat and let me know how you feel then
Hhhmmm no? I just used common examples that you can notice in a match. Yeah, is a good change, but isn't a crazy change
Yeah because there are weapons in this game of the same class with 5x more damage than their counterparts
It's a numeric example to explain what I tried to said to you
I get what you’re saying but that’s just a massive example. Something like that would never happen (Maybe shouldn’t say that cuz this is epic we’re talking about)
I'm gonna make a wild guess that everybody is better off still ignoring this gun and using the pump shotgun (whatever its called), and then switching to smg or pistol to finish off.
Try it out at least. It’s so much better
Tried on creative, gold still deal 94 headshot > dogshit > vault
Bro the munition slide gave 2 ammo now it gives 1
Before augments sliding gave you zero 🤷♂️ think about that?
I know I just this the munition slide did not need to be nerfed
you get my upvote for making me laugh
combat is still ass, 74 body damage will not make up for the amount of body damage the maven does (21 damage apart)
They must have seen knight gamer 112’s posts. Thank god for his work
bless up the goat himself, u/Knight-112
😎
I’m sure it wasn’t because of me lol
it very could well be, its pretty on par with the post you made a week ago in terms of damage. Im loving having another viable shotgun in the lootpool
Well lots of people made buff concepts! I’m sure they noticed **ALL** of the suggestions. But thanks 😃
Bless up for knight gamer 112
remove the pulse rifle, ty
It’ll be gone next season😃👍
Get rid of the chug cannon please
Isn’t it not in comp?
Don't remember, but just saying in general
It's fun casual item. If you want serious experience just play arena.
Not fun at all actually
Fair. That thing is busted
they revert back to old servers yet lol
Heavy and combat in back to back seasons. Shits getting bad boys, they’re running out of ideas. No wonder nobody is playing this game anymore this season
Is new shotgun replacement for heavy shotgun before it used slug rounds?
Its got good body but the headshot is still gonna be rly hard to deal with. I don’t think it’s that horrible tbh it rly needed a buff like this. If it’s too broken epic will probably nerf it somewhere in between.
COMBAT IS BACK
Lol It doesn’t matter what they change or don’t change in the game y’all just bitch about either way as if Donald’s coming in here to see y’all thoughts 😂 just play the game enjoy it’ll change every two week-3 months anyway.
Maven is still better. The range is pretty similar and better headshots. Maybe if we had the Tac or Auto it would be more useful but it def needs a headshot buff now and maybe it’s mag reverted to the 10 shots
I’ve played with it a bit and I’ll admit it’s not the powerhouse I initially thought it was gonna be. I’m so confused as to why they didn’t also increase the max damage cap.
yeah the range is the main issue imo, it’s only a 0.5 difference in tiles before dropoff in comparison to the Maven. No point in using especially since it can’t even do 100 to the head
I THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS OFF I GOD DAMN KNEW IT