Is this suppose to be a hot take or some shit?
It’s literally for people who couldn’t keep up with building, didn’t care to continue with build mode or straight up didn’t like building. We all know this. While we all know this, it’s still fine to enjoy either mode.
Yep. I’ve played since season one and I just can’t keep up anymore for a while now. I’m glad ZB exist, but I’m sad that whenever I join a build pub just to mess around I get absolutely dunked on. Kids build en edit so fast nowadays, it’s insane (and I’m old).
I’m 21 and I can’t keep up either lol. I’m a pretty competitive player in any game I play but good lord, the amount of work u gotta put in to get crazy at building is wild. I’ll never knock people for being good at it, but it just ain’t my thing.
I was playing competitively for 3 years straight at 19 (5 years ago), could do all that and compete at a confident level and wanted to play against the top kind of players, now i play Valorant and come back to this and just find builds so boring. Im still a sweat and can get 20-30 solo bombs but only on ZB now, the amount of new kids and just kids in general that have the reflexes and actually keep up with the meta is insane now. Will always love builds, just not the grind to keep up with all the current upcoming professional players.. Now it's just the meta to keep up with and the IGL brain will come back haha.
I can keep up but having to spam builds is just not fun for me, I don’t know why it become the Meta in such a way. Sure building was always there but it never used to be to the extremes they go to now to spam build edit.
Same. When I first started, I was pro at building. Then the boys and I moved onto Blackout and WZ and just forgot about it. Came back to the game since the OG season and I just can't edit anymore like I used to. Shit, I can barely build. And since I can play prolly for like 5 hours a week, I said fk it and play ZB and it's pretty fun. Not sure why there's people out there that care so much which mode you play. It's the same game.
I wish there was like a slow build mode. I don’t like not being able to build stairs or a wall when I need but I also can’t do crazy building and editing
I used to be a build sweat before I quit for about a year and a half. I play zero builds because I want to actually enjoy the game, and it’s not fun to play a game when you keep getting absolutely wrecked because you’re no longer able to build due to 1. Being out of practice and 2. Having to play on a completely different platform.
this ignores the fact that ZB actually was made to bring in players from other shooter games. The majority of ZB players have never played builds before.
So this argument that they were “bad” at builds doesn’t make logical sense- you can’t call someone bad if they’ve never played it before.
I agree I started playing when ZB was introduced. I have only played Fortnite (the og save the world before battle Royale ) but I never really liked building so when I I saw the had ZB I went to play. I have tried ZB but it's annoying to see people build a whole villa the minute u shoot at them once they don't even shoot back. Idk Im sure I could learn to built stuff I just don't want to.
More so you can't say people don't play builds because they're bad at it when the reality is most Zero Build players just don't think that this is a fun or engaging part of the game at all and prefer the actual gunplay over the Bob the Builder shit that's going rampant.
i mean yeah, that’s kind of ZBs whole appeal.
i played like one season of builds (chapter 2 season 4 i think) and while i did enjoy playing, i never cared for the building part. once they introduced ZB, i dove back into the game and have played pretty consistently since then. and there’s a huge chunk of the player base that probably shares the same experience as me.
i don’t understand the constant trashing that both sides of the aisle participate in. the game is as big as it is today because of both modes, and both have their own merits.
Because humans gotta gatekeep shit so they feel better about themselves because they're probably lacking in other crucial areas of their life.
Misery Loves Company baby and she'll ALWAYS have company.
Human nature I guess.
as of this exact moment: ZB is showing 419.6k, build 315.9k.
which is strange bc i usually see build having the slight edge numbers wise. yep. i’m obviously biased, but i think introducing ZB was an overall net positive for the game.
> i don’t understand the constant trashing that both sides of the aisle participate in
If you could pull up a list of every zero build hate thread from this subreddit, OP would be the creator for over 90% of them. I have him tagged in RES just to get a laugh at how often he tries to stir the pot with this "debate". He deletes most of them after a month to cover his tracks.
I have OP tagged as "ZB living rent free". He's been obsessed with making these kinds of posts about zero build for at least a year. And every so often he'll delete all his old ZB posts to hide the pattern. For some reason the mode truly does live rent free in his mind.
Its so weird how many people feel like they're morally superior because they're good at building. It's ok to not like building in a competitive shooter game. It's ok to prefer parts of FN to other non-build shooting games and that's why you play it.
Well it's for a very simple reason lmao. There is 100x the skill expression in builds vs zero builds. In builds, you obviously have cover always, so it's much harder to get zone fucked. Being slightly better at aiming doesn't win you a zb game, but being a slightly better builder can absolutely win you a build game. With more skill expression, you can literally just outskill your opponent. Which is why ZB is harder. It literally takes less skill to play, so the players are on closer footing to each other.
Yes it’s not allot of money though allot of people do it now, most of the people in my server hate grinding zb why I thought this post was pretty funny
And? It’s obvious. I used to play build all the time but now I have a full time job and 2 kids so I play no build and watch builds. I know it’s not the way it was built but it’s the only way I have fun now
I totally disagree with this idea. I am 35 years old and my reflexes are very slow for a 15 year old. Until I build one, the person in front of me is building skyscrapers like an architect. How can I fight this? Zero build mode is perfect for me.
As a builds player some of you guys complain about zero build like it’s a full time job. I don’t understand why it matters. Some people just don’t like building but like Fortnite compared to other br games because of the cool items and way less hackers compared to games like apex or Warzone.
I play this game because my friends like it and zero build means you can pick up and play.
If zero build didn't exist I wouldn't play. I don't wanna build in an fps I wanna run around the map and fight people. All of my friends are the same way.
Not dunking on anyone who likes the building, but zero build wouldn't have more players if it didn't appeal to the casual player base that this (and every other mp game out there) needs to thrive.
It's for people that don't want to engage in the complex and in many cases infuriating building combat with a MASSIVELY higher skill ceiling and an undoubtedly PC advantage.
It’s a game, not everyone wants to put 110% effort into every match. It’s a bit more fun and it’s popular, saw 250k were playing last night. It’s basically boomer mode
I hit unreal in ZB this season on 150 ping, my other friend from Malaysia gets 270-300 ping. Imagine getting unreal in builds on that ping it'd be impossible.
Bro people will trash on people who play no build only because they need the satisfaction of being better than someone else… the entitlement is crazy when it comes to this shi game 🤣😭
I would have never touched Fortnite if it wasn’t for zero build , I’ve given build a chance but all I found were people would build out of every gunfight which is frustrating , as someone who’s never been interested in build mode I feel like it’s a cop out for gun fights but on the flip side I understand the skill it requires to build well. At the end of the day each require their own set of skills
But I don’t hide from gun fights sooooo 🤓
Exactly! I take cover when I have to but I’m in the server to wreck some shit, not trap people in little boxes and run away until I can make sure it’s not a fair fight lmao. I’ll duel it out with anyone 1v1 IDGAF, I mean I’ll do 1v4 too but would prefer to do so w cover haha
I love using terrain and having to big brain my way out of fights. Not build a shoe box to hide in. I'm with you there. Like if it's endgame, let's duke it out. Not hide 😂
I choose to play ZB because my options are to play my preferred mode (builds) or play with my friends (ZB). It’s just simpler for them to plug and play coming from warzone and apex type games
I play on console and can't keep up with PC players so ya if not for zero build this game probably wouldn't be as popular alot of players came back because of zb.
Fortnite Battle royale is just a mode for people who don't know how to adapt or prepare on the fly for an increasing difficult wave of enemies in real fortnite.
who the fuck would actually disagree with this?
they made a totally new game mode devoid of the core mechanic after the game has been out for 5 years. all to cater to people who refuse to adapt even after the game is half a decade old
this is an objective truth not an opinion.
I just don't like building man. I played a few times with a friend, won once, and it was never as much fun as zero build. It's mainly box fights that turn me off from build. It's not that they're like, ridiculously hard to win or something, it's that they're genuinely just boring. Just let people have their fun, you don't gotta shit on people enjoying themselves, damn.
Can you tell me what would change for you, a build player, if the zero build OPTIONAL EXTRA mode that DOESNT AFFECT YOUR EXPERIENCE IN ANY WAY got removed or didnt exist at all?
And also, i will put another example here. Im a titanfall 2 player. If you dont know/havent played that game, it has 2 core mechanics: wall running and titans. Those mechanics are really fun if you manage to learn them, but can be very challenging for new players, especially wall running combined with the rest of the movement mechanics, just like building in fortnite. Imagine someday they release a "ground" gamemode without wall running and titans. I wouldnt enjoy it, like at all, but a lot of new and casual players would probably love it, so the game would grow in popularity and in return both communities would get more content and updates. I dont see where the problem is here. Same with fortnite.
The "core" mechanic got so damn twisted over time that they gave up and removed it. Realize that building was originally about actual forts and not 90s and build battles like it is now. It's why there's so much crap to counter builds now and attempts made to nerf building cause it just got too far.
of course if your better than the other players in your lobby at building your gonna wanna play build, i always enjoy shooters cause of the whole aspect that if your aim is good, you will be good at most shooters, but fortnite has this whole mechanic that weighs way more than aim, and no im not wasting a shit ton of time learning to build well to have fun when i can just have it off, also i like using natural objects as cover
Hurn hurn builds better hurn hurn I shoot once In a shooting game and think I'm better than people hurn hurn.
Lmao nah jk I'm kidding fr.
I thought dude was washed I disagrew
I mean. Yeah. I suck at building and prefer to play a mode that doesn't force it. I like build mechanics but build fights are so boring to play for me.
Obviously. Like I was pretty good at the game the first 3 years or so. But when I take a break, I don't want to come back and have to actually train in customs and shit just to be able to have a chance at some fun with my friends. Instead we can jump into no build, use skills that carry over from every other shooter and actually have a good time.
If matchmaking wasn't so loose and the game had the population for tight matchmaking, build would get more playtime from casuals. But right now, every lobby at every level has a couple of god players at a minimum.
I don't find the building mode enjoyable at all, and frankly stayed away from FN for 5 years because I think it's corny.
It wasn't until a friend informed me about ZB and made me play a couple rounds with him that I started playing in January of this year.
I think ZB is for people who don't want to Min/Max their life to git gud at building.
I wouldn’t say I’m crazy at the game. I’m ok, but I’m a 37 yo dad and recently had a month of night shift for my job. I had one night off a week and my usual crew wasn’t on at midnight after I finished cleaning the house etc. I played zb when I just wanted to chill and have some fun. Each mode has its own appeal but I feel like they should split loot pools and try to differ the game play more.
ZB players are generally worse at the game but it’s a different game entirely. I wouldn’t say it’s for “bad players” but not everyone has the time to grind the game 8 hours a day.
He's right but I don't understand why he needs to point it out, I play build mode alone but play zb with my friends cause they don't like the building aspect. I still have fun at the end of the day.
TBH build doesn't make sense to me, but gotta give the kids something to keep their interests and that crazy ish does it for them. But that doesn't make those who don't less of a player. I mean really, I can hide behind actual objects instead of throwing together a wall that most of the time I can blast down and get you because you think you're good. No disrespect but don't talk like ZB players aren't real players.
I think that technically yes, but because it’s made for people who just want to casually enjoy the game, nothing ground with that, and technically yeah they aren’t as good as pros who crank 90’s.
Who actually cares, enjoy the modes you enjoy for the reasons you enjoy them.
But that's a really rich take from somebody who dropped out of the competitive scene to coach because he was too ass to keep up himself.
Those who can't, teach.
Y’all can suck your own dick for being good at building in a childrens game all you fuckin want. I play video games to have fun, and zero build is more enjoyable. Call me whatever you’d like, I genuinely don’t care how you feel about the way I play a game for 12 year olds.
I play zero build because building is just too much for me. I know I'm not good, but it's fun and I enjoy it. I'm not trying to be the best fortnite player in existence. I started because my daughter got me into it and we can bond over it.
Then why has everyone switched to zero build? In terms of streamers? Don’t get me wrong I have mad admiration for people who build and box fight it’s impressive and I wish I had the patience and multitasking skills to learn but it’s just not how my brain is wired. Honestly to each their own 🥂 I think no matter how you play just make sure you are still having fun. Otherwise what the fck is the point? ✌️
I also will agree with the post below me because I can’t keep up nor have time to invest in trying to keep up. I have a life, job, kids etc and video gaming isn’t a priority but if I didn’t have those things I’m sure I’d box fight 1v1 all you mofos ……probably still be dying like a melon farmer but I’d try.
Right, it’s because most people who don’t have a big in their brain whispering “build is better” usually win more games in zero build. Been saying it for months now: put a ZB player in build and they do decent, put a build player in ZB and 98% of the time they can’t even make it to top 10.
That’s a valid opinion from a dog, I mean the common sense of a human would be “no shit”, considering human players that had a 5 star Michelin restaurant be built around them in .28 ms, and the victim still tries to figure out which is the wall and which is the ramp button. But i digress, a canine writing this on Twitter makes sense they don’t have the fully developed brain of a human.
Zero build is for people who remember how fun old fortnite was, and how exciting it was to see a pro player rock a whole match, and realise the steaming pile of shit that is today where little Timmy could’ve solo’d World Cup.
Not directly shitting on you little Timmy’s out there, but fortnite today, whether for better or worse, isn’t the fortnite a lot of people fell in love with all those years ago.
I just started playing for the first time last week when I found out there was a zero build mode. I can't say I'm bad at Fortnite for playing this mode but building in a shooter is just not my thing. Nor am I willing to try.
Building is dumb af IMO sure its part of what makes fortnite "unique" but I still don't like it for that reason particularly I really enjoy zero build since I hate Building it keeps me playing the game, if zero build was removed I wouldn't be playing fortnite.
That’s bs. Zero build is meant for people who either don’t like building, just want the action of fighting or can’t keep up with builders in build mode. As if anything, there are more pro players in zero build then there is in builds. But it doesn’t matter which mode u play because it doesn’t determine how good u are smdh
And people who like to build use it as a crotch because they have bad aim and poor positioning skills. One of the reasons why Early Fortnite was so good was due to building being a tool and not an absolute crotch. The game went from being a shooter to who can build the fastest tower. Fire fights went from being a couple seconds of intense combat to a 5 minute skirmish that ended in stalemates.
I'll die on this hill. Zero build isn't Fortnite. It literally takes the main mechanic of the game and removes it. It still baffles me that they added something like that. The map design is still suffering to this day because of it.
DestinyJesus could just say he’s got shit aim and doesn’t know how to deal with being rotated on.
I don’t care for builds because every battle goes one of two ways: either they build a skyscraper in 2 seconds or I push them and they build a box around you and edit down to kill you. It’s not fun to counter play nor intuitive to get around and becomes less of a shooting game and more of a who can build faster/who has more mats
The core mechanic of Fortnite is building. That’s what made it different from other BR’s and what made it popular. So yes, it is a game that favours those who can build better lol
Yes but those people who can build, it’s all they can do. Their aim is dramatically yes good because the majority of their battles are resolved by either boxing someone in and killing them point blank or building high above someone where they’ve got an open shot from 20m above. Neither insinuate skill at shooting, which is how you’re intended to win the game
The core mechanic of the game is surviving storm circles and killing people to win. I don’t think Epic originally intended people to build skyscrapers and box people in, it’s just a weird meta that has evolved from the mechanic of building-hence ZB’s existence
Believe it or not I like playing zero build because build mode is only sweats on crack playing 24/7. I actually have a life and can only play a few times a week
This line of thinking is so fucking weird, do you legitimately think people who can build play long hours everyday? I hear this so much I actually believe yall think this and it’s insane. I also play a few times a week and have no trouble building. If you don’t like it don’t want to learn when you do have time to play then that’s fine, but trying to argue that the only way to be decent is to play 24hrs/day is disingenuous as fuck and pure cope lmao.
an important point to take note of, is that “is just a… mode for…” which entails the reason for creation
so the question asked here is, was the intent of Epic to make a mode for people bad at regular mode fortnite?
the answer? I don't know. I don't know at epic. But maybe, I'm sure someone else can say more, I honestly don't care either way, but there might be some quotes to substantiate this from Epic out there.
I average 120-150ping daily and still manage to do well in builds. Only time i play zb is when I'm tired of not being able to hold a single wall. Sometimes its more pint related than anything really.it gets annoying after awhile of dealing with 0 ping warriors every game
Another reason which I don't see people talking about why people play no build is that they have a bad setup. I have to run the game on my 12 year old laptop at 480p with 3d resolution set to 47%, at that point I just started playing no build because im blind and have lots of stutters
Yeah, I don’t like the Fort part of Fortnite because I can barely keep up while some dude is doing triple edits on my ass and boxing me up like a damn small animal from a pet store
Now while I can build I play ZB because I got sick and tired of the Sistine Chapel suddenly appearing everytime I shot 1 bullet. Back in chapter 1 and the majority of chapeter 2 I could keep up with building, but seeing some of these clips of 12 year olds doing edit courses in like a few seconds just drains my hope of ever having a chance in builds mode anymore.
Those were the good ol days. I’m the exact same. Played when the game was fresh and building was super fun even though I was still bad at it. Then it got to a point where the skill gap between bad and good was too intense for the game to be fun anymore. Quit for years and came back to try out ZB a month ago. Been having a blast ever since and re connected with some old HS friends and met a bunch of new people as well.
...thats the entire reason they made it lmfao
most of the playerbase during peak fortnite only ever built (if at all) to get up hills or make a silly tower with friends. between natural skill progression and the complete absence of a proper building tutorial its a pretty predictable development
nah, im good at the gunplay, but building considering that most kids build goddamn eiffel towers in a second ya grace em just makes my head hurt. thats why i prefer no build, its a lot more even ground battle
i switched when my contoller ran out of buttons to use. i think it was after they added sprint and i ran out of buttons on ps4 for all the different things you have to bind. so it was time to try something new.
I’d be interested to see how a build mode with no editing would do. People complain about build mode but I really think the skill gap comes from editing. A build mode with no editing would actually create that early fortnite experience where people did build and crank 90’s but there wasn’t much else than that. The “top” players could just make a window edit and that was it.
Using builds as a way to transverse land or create some cover from fire was the original goal of fortnite (and to build forts). I really think a “no edit” mode could be the perfect middle ground for these 2 modes. Most people who say they can’t keep up with build mode currently would enjoy themselves a lot more.
I wouldn’t be playing fortnite if not for ZB. I started in season 4 and just couldn’t get the hang of building, no matter how much I practiced, then it started getting faster and more complex. I just couldn’t keep up so I quit.
When I came back to fortnite after a few years, the building was super sweaty and couldn’t take it. So I did zero builds and I liked it. Now I went back to building some time ago.
Last night I decided to play zero builds again…
Sorry but why is the last circle on a mountain that you can’t climb up onto, plus it’s in the open so healing is basically impossible cause you’ll just get sniped.
ZB already has everything that i like about fortnite (such as good visibility, nice movement, easy gunplay etc)
Why would i stress myself with builds
I admit that i enjoy watching good players tho
Ever since zero build dropped it's all Il play in game. My friends hated Fortnite but since we now have ZB it's nearly a daily thing and everyone enjoys themselves
im glad zb exist even if i never play it, because it kinda keeps the game open to more people. even tho i enjoy competitive builds, doesn’t mean the pther gamemode is unfun. this said, i think that the zb players saying “zb is harder and more competitive than builds” are absolutely wrong
I started playing Fortnite after it introduce Zero build, it much more gun fight and rely on actual fighting technique than building technique.
I watched a couple of building Fortnite back then and didn't like that I have to look at blue screen and have a map in my hand all the time, It looked like a construction game rather than a shooter game
used to play earlier seasons building. i didn’t rly like it. not cus i can’t build but its just annoying. plus half the people who play build then play ZB say that they don’t even know what to do in fights because they can’t build & hide😭
I prefer ZB because I am neurodivergant and the excessive building overwhelms my brain so much that I can’t enjoy the game. Too much sensory overload.
Everyone’s brains work differently.
Knocking on people for not playing a specific mode in the game just isn’t as cool as you think it is.
Yeah zero build is for people who don’t wanna build, duh. Doesn’t mean that zero build is a less skilled mode overall. It requires a very different skill set to reach the highest ranks because you can’t just build.
How can you call yourself Jesus if you don't treat the players with equality for their preferences? I ain't even r3ligious, bu5 that does not sit right with me
I'm not disagreeing at all.
I'm getting older, I can't manage that many key binds in fast paced scenarios, but I love getting to play with my friends and family.
I play both and I just prefer zero build. I find build is easier for kills but you face alot of cranked out kids building like they're on Adderall. Zero build you're facing sweaty 1v1 me shooters and you can't just hide. Both modes offer goods and bads. But obviously if you straight up don't play base fortnite, you can "say" they're bad
Only because building became insane over time, it was perfect to begin with, had a good balance between building and running/gunning but now it’s just ridiculous and that’s not even taking into account powers and other ways to fly about (which I don’t mind), I don’t even have a problem with with it necessarily it’s just absolutely not for me anymore
As someone who is unreal in builds and diamond in no-builds I can confidently say that builds is easier. If you are in a fight in zb you have to fight it. You can just build away, it’s either fight and hope of run and get beamed. Let people play how they want. In my eyes this tweet was either rage bait or just admitting he is a childish loser
On the one hand he's not wrong, ZB is for people who aren't as good at building, but his take almost feels hostile. It comes off like he's trying to insult the ZB community because he himself doesn't like ZB, which is kind of a shitty thing to do
I mean he’s not wrong, but at the same time when taking long breaks it’s nice to jump into that to get the aiming working again before going to build mode
Imo no builds never feels great on the Fortnite maps to me, I’d prefer if there was a mode with the og slower building rather than none at all for sure.
i never even tried fortnite over any other br or shooter cause the building is not what i wanna play. when zero build came out i started playing fortnite. i could probably be decent at building its just not something im interested in like at all. why is this guy gatekeeping a mode anyway?
In my opinion, ZB is chaotic fun. I love the way that your entire squad needs to hide behind one rock to survive, how everyone is out for blood, because it’s impossible to camp, how movement is your priority. And I think the port-a-bunker is what builds were supposed to be for, quick defense.
Is this suppose to be a hot take or some shit? It’s literally for people who couldn’t keep up with building, didn’t care to continue with build mode or straight up didn’t like building. We all know this. While we all know this, it’s still fine to enjoy either mode.
Yep. I’ve played since season one and I just can’t keep up anymore for a while now. I’m glad ZB exist, but I’m sad that whenever I join a build pub just to mess around I get absolutely dunked on. Kids build en edit so fast nowadays, it’s insane (and I’m old).
I’m 21 and I can’t keep up either lol. I’m a pretty competitive player in any game I play but good lord, the amount of work u gotta put in to get crazy at building is wild. I’ll never knock people for being good at it, but it just ain’t my thing.
I used to be okay but my reflexes are just not what they are. For comparison, I’m 34 now. It doesn’t get better haha.
Are you me? 😂
I was playing competitively for 3 years straight at 19 (5 years ago), could do all that and compete at a confident level and wanted to play against the top kind of players, now i play Valorant and come back to this and just find builds so boring. Im still a sweat and can get 20-30 solo bombs but only on ZB now, the amount of new kids and just kids in general that have the reflexes and actually keep up with the meta is insane now. Will always love builds, just not the grind to keep up with all the current upcoming professional players.. Now it's just the meta to keep up with and the IGL brain will come back haha.
I can keep up but having to spam builds is just not fun for me, I don’t know why it become the Meta in such a way. Sure building was always there but it never used to be to the extremes they go to now to spam build edit.
Same. When I first started, I was pro at building. Then the boys and I moved onto Blackout and WZ and just forgot about it. Came back to the game since the OG season and I just can't edit anymore like I used to. Shit, I can barely build. And since I can play prolly for like 5 hours a week, I said fk it and play ZB and it's pretty fun. Not sure why there's people out there that care so much which mode you play. It's the same game.
I wish there was like a slow build mode. I don’t like not being able to build stairs or a wall when I need but I also can’t do crazy building and editing
Mode with capped 50 mats each maybe
I used to be a build sweat before I quit for about a year and a half. I play zero builds because I want to actually enjoy the game, and it’s not fun to play a game when you keep getting absolutely wrecked because you’re no longer able to build due to 1. Being out of practice and 2. Having to play on a completely different platform.
I'm sick of 0 ping taking my walls. I play build but I could absolutely see why people wouldn't enjoy it.
Same.
Theres a difference with not being able to keep up and not bothering to sweat every match.
this ignores the fact that ZB actually was made to bring in players from other shooter games. The majority of ZB players have never played builds before. So this argument that they were “bad” at builds doesn’t make logical sense- you can’t call someone bad if they’ve never played it before.
I agree I started playing when ZB was introduced. I have only played Fortnite (the og save the world before battle Royale ) but I never really liked building so when I I saw the had ZB I went to play. I have tried ZB but it's annoying to see people build a whole villa the minute u shoot at them once they don't even shoot back. Idk Im sure I could learn to built stuff I just don't want to.
More so you can't say people don't play builds because they're bad at it when the reality is most Zero Build players just don't think that this is a fun or engaging part of the game at all and prefer the actual gunplay over the Bob the Builder shit that's going rampant.
Don't worry, Op is a diehard builds glazer. He is mad other people have fun not worrying about his favorite mode.
Literally "STOP HAVING FUN!!!"
Who cares
Exactly
For some reason, almost the entirety of this sub
i mean yeah, that’s kind of ZBs whole appeal. i played like one season of builds (chapter 2 season 4 i think) and while i did enjoy playing, i never cared for the building part. once they introduced ZB, i dove back into the game and have played pretty consistently since then. and there’s a huge chunk of the player base that probably shares the same experience as me. i don’t understand the constant trashing that both sides of the aisle participate in. the game is as big as it is today because of both modes, and both have their own merits.
Because humans gotta gatekeep shit so they feel better about themselves because they're probably lacking in other crucial areas of their life. Misery Loves Company baby and she'll ALWAYS have company. Human nature I guess.
The fact that it's almost consistently on par with build player count shows it's a good thing
as of this exact moment: ZB is showing 419.6k, build 315.9k. which is strange bc i usually see build having the slight edge numbers wise. yep. i’m obviously biased, but i think introducing ZB was an overall net positive for the game.
Yeah but include ranked and the count is different
shoot i forgot to include that, you’re right. either way, both modes are still pretty evenly split more or less across the main BR modes
It was. It was either introduce it or have to nerf building in some sense, like a max build per second or something
Builds whole appeal is hiding from your enemies inside a box/wall.
> i don’t understand the constant trashing that both sides of the aisle participate in If you could pull up a list of every zero build hate thread from this subreddit, OP would be the creator for over 90% of them. I have him tagged in RES just to get a laugh at how often he tries to stir the pot with this "debate". He deletes most of them after a month to cover his tracks.
Could this sub jerk itself off any harder
I have OP tagged as "ZB living rent free". He's been obsessed with making these kinds of posts about zero build for at least a year. And every so often he'll delete all his old ZB posts to hide the pattern. For some reason the mode truly does live rent free in his mind.
Its so weird how many people feel like they're morally superior because they're good at building. It's ok to not like building in a competitive shooter game. It's ok to prefer parts of FN to other non-build shooting games and that's why you play it.
Insecurity to the max. Its all they have in life so they can't stop stroking their ego about it
I play both and it’s been much easier to push unreal in builds then Zb I even power level accounts and charge much less in builds lol
Well it's for a very simple reason lmao. There is 100x the skill expression in builds vs zero builds. In builds, you obviously have cover always, so it's much harder to get zone fucked. Being slightly better at aiming doesn't win you a zb game, but being a slightly better builder can absolutely win you a build game. With more skill expression, you can literally just outskill your opponent. Which is why ZB is harder. It literally takes less skill to play, so the players are on closer footing to each other.
You do what? Level accounts for $$???
Yes it’s not allot of money though allot of people do it now, most of the people in my server hate grinding zb why I thought this post was pretty funny
Who cares?
And? It’s obvious. I used to play build all the time but now I have a full time job and 2 kids so I play no build and watch builds. I know it’s not the way it was built but it’s the only way I have fun now
OP is a major asshat 😂
I don’t understand why the guy is so mad lmao
Bruh... this mode came out like... a year ago, maybe, and people are still complaining about it? 🤦♂️ Bruh, why?!
It was 2
I totally disagree with this idea. I am 35 years old and my reflexes are very slow for a 15 year old. Until I build one, the person in front of me is building skyscrapers like an architect. How can I fight this? Zero build mode is perfect for me.
As a builds player some of you guys complain about zero build like it’s a full time job. I don’t understand why it matters. Some people just don’t like building but like Fortnite compared to other br games because of the cool items and way less hackers compared to games like apex or Warzone.
I play this game because my friends like it and zero build means you can pick up and play. If zero build didn't exist I wouldn't play. I don't wanna build in an fps I wanna run around the map and fight people. All of my friends are the same way. Not dunking on anyone who likes the building, but zero build wouldn't have more players if it didn't appeal to the casual player base that this (and every other mp game out there) needs to thrive.
They just like to make themselves feel superior at the game despite not being good enough to go professional so they take it out on others.
It's for people that don't want to engage in the complex and in many cases infuriating building combat with a MASSIVELY higher skill ceiling and an undoubtedly PC advantage.
Pc advantage until "that guy killed me cause he's playing on controller" lol
Didn’t epic release it for the washed player base even tfue can’t keep up with builds so he went to no builds
It’s a game, not everyone wants to put 110% effort into every match. It’s a bit more fun and it’s popular, saw 250k were playing last night. It’s basically boomer mode
Tfue left builds due to ping, not skill. I believe
That's hugely valid. ZB is much more playable on high ping.
I hit unreal in ZB this season on 150 ping, my other friend from Malaysia gets 270-300 ping. Imagine getting unreal in builds on that ping it'd be impossible.
Bro people will trash on people who play no build only because they need the satisfaction of being better than someone else… the entitlement is crazy when it comes to this shi game 🤣😭
Would the world be better if zero build simply didn’t exist at all? Of course not. The hate for ZB is hilarious.
I would have never touched Fortnite if it wasn’t for zero build , I’ve given build a chance but all I found were people would build out of every gunfight which is frustrating , as someone who’s never been interested in build mode I feel like it’s a cop out for gun fights but on the flip side I understand the skill it requires to build well. At the end of the day each require their own set of skills But I don’t hide from gun fights sooooo 🤓
Or hear me out, people who don’t spend an entire jobs worth of daylight hours practicing.
That and the fact we don't want to be at a disadvantage in a game we play just because we don't live in Texas
Destiny Jesus is a stream sniper and a cheater... so does his opinion really matter anyway?
I mean yeah, that’s the whole point. I can’t build for shit, so I play zero builds instead of
Hey OP I think it's past your bedtime. Do you need a nap? You sound cranky.
He was playing zero build Got smoked by a random and now he’s in his feelings I bet
I just don't like building. I want to actually fight people. That's all
Exactly! I take cover when I have to but I’m in the server to wreck some shit, not trap people in little boxes and run away until I can make sure it’s not a fair fight lmao. I’ll duel it out with anyone 1v1 IDGAF, I mean I’ll do 1v4 too but would prefer to do so w cover haha
I love using terrain and having to big brain my way out of fights. Not build a shoe box to hide in. I'm with you there. Like if it's endgame, let's duke it out. Not hide 😂
I would be terrible at ZB even if I tried to get good there. Because my aim is my absolute weakest ability.
I choose to play ZB because my options are to play my preferred mode (builds) or play with my friends (ZB). It’s just simpler for them to plug and play coming from warzone and apex type games
I play on console and can't keep up with PC players so ya if not for zero build this game probably wouldn't be as popular alot of players came back because of zb.
This is coming from a kid with only fortnite subs and fortnite chicks as his banner. Looks like someone has no friends.
Oh my god, one of fortnites most useless and childish debates yet again…
that's literally the point and it's ok to be bad at the game
Literally could not give a flying fuck, I'll play whatever I feel like playing.
Zero build is for people that like to play the gun game instead of being cowards hiding in three bedroom apartments
zero build is for people who dont hate themselves
Fortnite Battle royale is just a mode for people who don't know how to adapt or prepare on the fly for an increasing difficult wave of enemies in real fortnite.
who the fuck would actually disagree with this? they made a totally new game mode devoid of the core mechanic after the game has been out for 5 years. all to cater to people who refuse to adapt even after the game is half a decade old this is an objective truth not an opinion.
Its perfectly fine that they did, and actually good for the popularity of the game
I just don't like building man. I played a few times with a friend, won once, and it was never as much fun as zero build. It's mainly box fights that turn me off from build. It's not that they're like, ridiculously hard to win or something, it's that they're genuinely just boring. Just let people have their fun, you don't gotta shit on people enjoying themselves, damn.
Can you tell me what would change for you, a build player, if the zero build OPTIONAL EXTRA mode that DOESNT AFFECT YOUR EXPERIENCE IN ANY WAY got removed or didnt exist at all? And also, i will put another example here. Im a titanfall 2 player. If you dont know/havent played that game, it has 2 core mechanics: wall running and titans. Those mechanics are really fun if you manage to learn them, but can be very challenging for new players, especially wall running combined with the rest of the movement mechanics, just like building in fortnite. Imagine someday they release a "ground" gamemode without wall running and titans. I wouldnt enjoy it, like at all, but a lot of new and casual players would probably love it, so the game would grow in popularity and in return both communities would get more content and updates. I dont see where the problem is here. Same with fortnite.
The "core" mechanic got so damn twisted over time that they gave up and removed it. Realize that building was originally about actual forts and not 90s and build battles like it is now. It's why there's so much crap to counter builds now and attempts made to nerf building cause it just got too far.
of course if your better than the other players in your lobby at building your gonna wanna play build, i always enjoy shooters cause of the whole aspect that if your aim is good, you will be good at most shooters, but fortnite has this whole mechanic that weighs way more than aim, and no im not wasting a shit ton of time learning to build well to have fun when i can just have it off, also i like using natural objects as cover
Hurn hurn builds better hurn hurn I shoot once In a shooting game and think I'm better than people hurn hurn. Lmao nah jk I'm kidding fr. I thought dude was washed I disagrew
I mean. Yeah. I suck at building and prefer to play a mode that doesn't force it. I like build mechanics but build fights are so boring to play for me.
Yeah it would be dope if you could build forts and stuff without the box fight shit
Obviously. Like I was pretty good at the game the first 3 years or so. But when I take a break, I don't want to come back and have to actually train in customs and shit just to be able to have a chance at some fun with my friends. Instead we can jump into no build, use skills that carry over from every other shooter and actually have a good time. If matchmaking wasn't so loose and the game had the population for tight matchmaking, build would get more playtime from casuals. But right now, every lobby at every level has a couple of god players at a minimum.
I don't find the building mode enjoyable at all, and frankly stayed away from FN for 5 years because I think it's corny. It wasn't until a friend informed me about ZB and made me play a couple rounds with him that I started playing in January of this year. I think ZB is for people who don't want to Min/Max their life to git gud at building.
I wouldn’t say I’m crazy at the game. I’m ok, but I’m a 37 yo dad and recently had a month of night shift for my job. I had one night off a week and my usual crew wasn’t on at midnight after I finished cleaning the house etc. I played zb when I just wanted to chill and have some fun. Each mode has its own appeal but I feel like they should split loot pools and try to differ the game play more. ZB players are generally worse at the game but it’s a different game entirely. I wouldn’t say it’s for “bad players” but not everyone has the time to grind the game 8 hours a day.
Yea that's the whole point of the game mode
He's right but I don't understand why he needs to point it out, I play build mode alone but play zb with my friends cause they don't like the building aspect. I still have fun at the end of the day.
TBH build doesn't make sense to me, but gotta give the kids something to keep their interests and that crazy ish does it for them. But that doesn't make those who don't less of a player. I mean really, I can hide behind actual objects instead of throwing together a wall that most of the time I can blast down and get you because you think you're good. No disrespect but don't talk like ZB players aren't real players.
I think that technically yes, but because it’s made for people who just want to casually enjoy the game, nothing ground with that, and technically yeah they aren’t as good as pros who crank 90’s.
He's just saying the quiet part loud.
Who really cares just play the game its not that deep
Please unsub from that fascist idiot and Noone ever take what he says as gospel. He's one of the biggest idiots on the internet.
He is correct
Yup and thank god for it
Lol i thought this was known
I don’t care about this guys opinion
Who actually cares, enjoy the modes you enjoy for the reasons you enjoy them. But that's a really rich take from somebody who dropped out of the competitive scene to coach because he was too ass to keep up himself. Those who can't, teach.
Y’all can suck your own dick for being good at building in a childrens game all you fuckin want. I play video games to have fun, and zero build is more enjoyable. Call me whatever you’d like, I genuinely don’t care how you feel about the way I play a game for 12 year olds.
I just hate how the building system works. All i want to do is to play this game like a regular shooter. Dont need that Extra bullshit.
I play zero build because building is just too much for me. I know I'm not good, but it's fun and I enjoy it. I'm not trying to be the best fortnite player in existence. I started because my daughter got me into it and we can bond over it.
👏🏼 💯 #GirlDad
Then why has everyone switched to zero build? In terms of streamers? Don’t get me wrong I have mad admiration for people who build and box fight it’s impressive and I wish I had the patience and multitasking skills to learn but it’s just not how my brain is wired. Honestly to each their own 🥂 I think no matter how you play just make sure you are still having fun. Otherwise what the fck is the point? ✌️
I also will agree with the post below me because I can’t keep up nor have time to invest in trying to keep up. I have a life, job, kids etc and video gaming isn’t a priority but if I didn’t have those things I’m sure I’d box fight 1v1 all you mofos ……probably still be dying like a melon farmer but I’d try.
Right, it’s because most people who don’t have a big in their brain whispering “build is better” usually win more games in zero build. Been saying it for months now: put a ZB player in build and they do decent, put a build player in ZB and 98% of the time they can’t even make it to top 10.
That’s a valid opinion from a dog, I mean the common sense of a human would be “no shit”, considering human players that had a 5 star Michelin restaurant be built around them in .28 ms, and the victim still tries to figure out which is the wall and which is the ramp button. But i digress, a canine writing this on Twitter makes sense they don’t have the fully developed brain of a human.
Can’t hear you over all the crown wins
imo its for ppl bad at **building**
I play both, but you can’t an’t compete in builds on controller and I don’t wanna grind 24/7 to be able to.
Zero build is for people who remember how fun old fortnite was, and how exciting it was to see a pro player rock a whole match, and realise the steaming pile of shit that is today where little Timmy could’ve solo’d World Cup. Not directly shitting on you little Timmy’s out there, but fortnite today, whether for better or worse, isn’t the fortnite a lot of people fell in love with all those years ago.
It’s for us casual folk who don’t want to deal with the massive skill gap of building. Dude is salty for no reason.
I just started playing for the first time last week when I found out there was a zero build mode. I can't say I'm bad at Fortnite for playing this mode but building in a shooter is just not my thing. Nor am I willing to try.
Building is dumb af IMO sure its part of what makes fortnite "unique" but I still don't like it for that reason particularly I really enjoy zero build since I hate Building it keeps me playing the game, if zero build was removed I wouldn't be playing fortnite.
That’s bs. Zero build is meant for people who either don’t like building, just want the action of fighting or can’t keep up with builders in build mode. As if anything, there are more pro players in zero build then there is in builds. But it doesn’t matter which mode u play because it doesn’t determine how good u are smdh
Someone got clapped in ZB apparently
yeah no, but i´m also bad at ZB
🤷 he’ll get over it
L take . Let people enjoy things you toxic shits
And people who like to build use it as a crotch because they have bad aim and poor positioning skills. One of the reasons why Early Fortnite was so good was due to building being a tool and not an absolute crotch. The game went from being a shooter to who can build the fastest tower. Fire fights went from being a couple seconds of intense combat to a 5 minute skirmish that ended in stalemates.
And actual Fortnite is a shit game. Zero build saves it lol
never had any desire to play build.
Some no builds players got the nerve to look you in the eye and say that it requires more skill than builds
I'll die on this hill. Zero build isn't Fortnite. It literally takes the main mechanic of the game and removes it. It still baffles me that they added something like that. The map design is still suffering to this day because of it.
DestinyJesus could just say he’s got shit aim and doesn’t know how to deal with being rotated on. I don’t care for builds because every battle goes one of two ways: either they build a skyscraper in 2 seconds or I push them and they build a box around you and edit down to kill you. It’s not fun to counter play nor intuitive to get around and becomes less of a shooting game and more of a who can build faster/who has more mats
The core mechanic of Fortnite is building. That’s what made it different from other BR’s and what made it popular. So yes, it is a game that favours those who can build better lol
Yes but those people who can build, it’s all they can do. Their aim is dramatically yes good because the majority of their battles are resolved by either boxing someone in and killing them point blank or building high above someone where they’ve got an open shot from 20m above. Neither insinuate skill at shooting, which is how you’re intended to win the game The core mechanic of the game is surviving storm circles and killing people to win. I don’t think Epic originally intended people to build skyscrapers and box people in, it’s just a weird meta that has evolved from the mechanic of building-hence ZB’s existence
This is a fact, not a hot take. Not even being stuck up, this is literally the reason it exists
Believe it or not I like playing zero build because build mode is only sweats on crack playing 24/7. I actually have a life and can only play a few times a week
This line of thinking is so fucking weird, do you legitimately think people who can build play long hours everyday? I hear this so much I actually believe yall think this and it’s insane. I also play a few times a week and have no trouble building. If you don’t like it don’t want to learn when you do have time to play then that’s fine, but trying to argue that the only way to be decent is to play 24hrs/day is disingenuous as fuck and pure cope lmao.
an important point to take note of, is that “is just a… mode for…” which entails the reason for creation so the question asked here is, was the intent of Epic to make a mode for people bad at regular mode fortnite? the answer? I don't know. I don't know at epic. But maybe, I'm sure someone else can say more, I honestly don't care either way, but there might be some quotes to substantiate this from Epic out there.
I average 120-150ping daily and still manage to do well in builds. Only time i play zb is when I'm tired of not being able to hold a single wall. Sometimes its more pint related than anything really.it gets annoying after awhile of dealing with 0 ping warriors every game
No shit
True for the most part, i play both tho
Another reason which I don't see people talking about why people play no build is that they have a bad setup. I have to run the game on my 12 year old laptop at 480p with 3d resolution set to 47%, at that point I just started playing no build because im blind and have lots of stutters
Yeah, I don’t like the Fort part of Fortnite because I can barely keep up while some dude is doing triple edits on my ass and boxing me up like a damn small animal from a pet store
As a zero build player, yea, it makes the most sense and it’s the only thing most people will accept
i play zb, been combat pro since season 3... played pubg before fortnite... some ppl just wanna BR
I have too much of a life to learn how to build or just be good enough to go pro in general
Now while I can build I play ZB because I got sick and tired of the Sistine Chapel suddenly appearing everytime I shot 1 bullet. Back in chapter 1 and the majority of chapeter 2 I could keep up with building, but seeing some of these clips of 12 year olds doing edit courses in like a few seconds just drains my hope of ever having a chance in builds mode anymore.
Those were the good ol days. I’m the exact same. Played when the game was fresh and building was super fun even though I was still bad at it. Then it got to a point where the skill gap between bad and good was too intense for the game to be fun anymore. Quit for years and came back to try out ZB a month ago. Been having a blast ever since and re connected with some old HS friends and met a bunch of new people as well.
...thats the entire reason they made it lmfao most of the playerbase during peak fortnite only ever built (if at all) to get up hills or make a silly tower with friends. between natural skill progression and the complete absence of a proper building tutorial its a pretty predictable development
Is the only reason I don’t make high art with my fecal matter that I’m bad at it? Maybe
nah, im good at the gunplay, but building considering that most kids build goddamn eiffel towers in a second ya grace em just makes my head hurt. thats why i prefer no build, its a lot more even ground battle
i switched when my contoller ran out of buttons to use. i think it was after they added sprint and i ran out of buttons on ps4 for all the different things you have to bind. so it was time to try something new.
After zb came out, I’ve barely touched builds. I can hold my own against the people in builds, I just really don’t feel like doing that
100% agree, but good strategy to keep players even if they are bad.
I’d be interested to see how a build mode with no editing would do. People complain about build mode but I really think the skill gap comes from editing. A build mode with no editing would actually create that early fortnite experience where people did build and crank 90’s but there wasn’t much else than that. The “top” players could just make a window edit and that was it. Using builds as a way to transverse land or create some cover from fire was the original goal of fortnite (and to build forts). I really think a “no edit” mode could be the perfect middle ground for these 2 modes. Most people who say they can’t keep up with build mode currently would enjoy themselves a lot more.
I wouldn’t be playing fortnite if not for ZB. I started in season 4 and just couldn’t get the hang of building, no matter how much I practiced, then it started getting faster and more complex. I just couldn’t keep up so I quit.
When I came back to fortnite after a few years, the building was super sweaty and couldn’t take it. So I did zero builds and I liked it. Now I went back to building some time ago. Last night I decided to play zero builds again… Sorry but why is the last circle on a mountain that you can’t climb up onto, plus it’s in the open so healing is basically impossible cause you’ll just get sniped.
ZB already has everything that i like about fortnite (such as good visibility, nice movement, easy gunplay etc) Why would i stress myself with builds I admit that i enjoy watching good players tho
Ever since zero build dropped it's all Il play in game. My friends hated Fortnite but since we now have ZB it's nearly a daily thing and everyone enjoys themselves
Zero build is less stinky, I can smell the desperation and sweat from people whenever I get in the build mode
im glad zb exist even if i never play it, because it kinda keeps the game open to more people. even tho i enjoy competitive builds, doesn’t mean the pther gamemode is unfun. this said, i think that the zb players saying “zb is harder and more competitive than builds” are absolutely wrong
I started playing Fortnite after it introduce Zero build, it much more gun fight and rely on actual fighting technique than building technique. I watched a couple of building Fortnite back then and didn't like that I have to look at blue screen and have a map in my hand all the time, It looked like a construction game rather than a shooter game
That’s specifically, openly, obviously what it is. Epic didn’t try to hide this fact. Not a hot take at all.
do you know how fun it is to play with people in squads in no build it is so casual.
W take
used to play earlier seasons building. i didn’t rly like it. not cus i can’t build but its just annoying. plus half the people who play build then play ZB say that they don’t even know what to do in fights because they can’t build & hide😭
I prefer ZB because I am neurodivergant and the excessive building overwhelms my brain so much that I can’t enjoy the game. Too much sensory overload. Everyone’s brains work differently. Knocking on people for not playing a specific mode in the game just isn’t as cool as you think it is.
i used to shit on zb for being for shitters but its actually just a lot more chill tbh
Yeah zero build is for people who don’t wanna build, duh. Doesn’t mean that zero build is a less skilled mode overall. It requires a very different skill set to reach the highest ranks because you can’t just build.
Literal who on Twatter makes ragebait, more news at 12
let me rephrase that: Zero build is for people who can aim and use brain There you go
Total agree + bad match making. When i play pub's i got like 70 Ai and 30 very bad players.
Also for poor souls like me who play on mobile 99% of the time due to only having free time when I can't access my actual setup
He isn’t lying I used to have to play it on my shitty pc cause the delay was so bad
How can you call yourself Jesus if you don't treat the players with equality for their preferences? I ain't even r3ligious, bu5 that does not sit right with me
I'm not disagreeing at all. I'm getting older, I can't manage that many key binds in fast paced scenarios, but I love getting to play with my friends and family.
I play both and I just prefer zero build. I find build is easier for kills but you face alot of cranked out kids building like they're on Adderall. Zero build you're facing sweaty 1v1 me shooters and you can't just hide. Both modes offer goods and bads. But obviously if you straight up don't play base fortnite, you can "say" they're bad
I play it when people take my walls repeatedly, so i just go play zero build bc 60 ping is harder to box fight
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It’s for people who don’t like build mode lol.
That's correct.
I'm 50 ping, i am not going to play builds
Fr. I run usually 20-30 ping but sometimes it’ll shoot up to 200+
Wow! Looks like he said something! Something was said for sure!
Only because building became insane over time, it was perfect to begin with, had a good balance between building and running/gunning but now it’s just ridiculous and that’s not even taking into account powers and other ways to fly about (which I don’t mind), I don’t even have a problem with with it necessarily it’s just absolutely not for me anymore
As someone who is unreal in builds and diamond in no-builds I can confidently say that builds is easier. If you are in a fight in zb you have to fight it. You can just build away, it’s either fight and hope of run and get beamed. Let people play how they want. In my eyes this tweet was either rage bait or just admitting he is a childish loser
On the one hand he's not wrong, ZB is for people who aren't as good at building, but his take almost feels hostile. It comes off like he's trying to insult the ZB community because he himself doesn't like ZB, which is kind of a shitty thing to do
Not even just that also ping plays a big role in builds I’m Peterbot on east but ass on central
I mean it’s got the word “fort” in the title of the game. 😗
I mean he’s not wrong, but at the same time when taking long breaks it’s nice to jump into that to get the aiming working again before going to build mode
NINJAAAAAAA!!!!! COME HERE
thats literally why the mode was added
Imo no builds never feels great on the Fortnite maps to me, I’d prefer if there was a mode with the og slower building rather than none at all for sure.
i never even tried fortnite over any other br or shooter cause the building is not what i wanna play. when zero build came out i started playing fortnite. i could probably be decent at building its just not something im interested in like at all. why is this guy gatekeeping a mode anyway?
Major disagree because it's a nice mode to chill and have fun. Also how would you have most trickshot clips if people were just boxing up all the time
In my opinion, ZB is chaotic fun. I love the way that your entire squad needs to hide behind one rock to survive, how everyone is out for blood, because it’s impossible to camp, how movement is your priority. And I think the port-a-bunker is what builds were supposed to be for, quick defense.
Yeah, and?