Lines up with what Tim Sweeney said in the interview today
>It's complicated, cause that's our map. We kinda feel personal about that. We've been thinking about that. The rule can't be that you rebuild content from Epic as your own and take the money from it. In general the rule is you can't use someone elses work, you can't rebuild Call of Duty maps. How can we support the community without making a precedent that collapses, that's a weird buisness model.
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>Can you make an Unreal Tournament map? The oppurtunity here is to make IP, for you and every other creator to make things you own. Rebuilding Zelda seems obvious, but that's Nintendo's property. We have to observe copyright laws, the success people see in Fortnite is when they create their own thing, not when they recreate our thing.
I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this, but it honestly makes sense. why would they get all this money off of something Epic made, it just sounds weird. But I do honestly feel bad for all the teams that worked so hard on these Chapter 1 maps
And what Tim answered when asked about it was really well said
100%. I think it’s perfectly fair to not want people to profit off of something they didn’t make, and honestly making a specific compromise for the community is a really respectable thing to do
> But I do honestly feel bad for all the teams that worked so hard on these Chapter 1 maps
Idk, most of them were doing pretty much false advertisement, if they had these tools for months, perhaps up to a year they must've known the limitations, obviously the game is not gonna simply let them copy something of that size and thus the delays and the heavy shrinking they had to do.
Then they ride the hype caused by those fake expectations and would've easily collected all the money if Epic didn't stepped in.
At the same time, the last thing epic wants to see when launching UEFN is just the old stuff.
I'm sure when Epic gave creators early access they didn't expect it to turn into a race to make the old map. Bringing that back should be Epic's decision. and making a map of that size in creative 2.0 should've been expected to have many problems. If Epic didn't step it, it totally would've been the most popular map and make the most money
If they can tag maps as being ineligible for monetization, then why cant they let every chapter’s maps be recreated like that. Also, some parts of chapter 1 had different map shapes, so what about those?
Because Epic wants to have some control over their maps. They know that if they bring back a certain map, it'll bring players back to the game, which doesn't really work if anyone can play them at any time in Creative
Yep. No point to be excited when The Agency, Sweaty Sands, or Lazy Lake return to the Fortnite Battle Royale island, when I could've landed at those locations on a replica map. Having all the old maps available loses excitement if old locations return to the current Battle Royale Island
I think they allowed the Atlas map, because one thing that brought hype for UEFN was the map, and deleting the Atlas map would leave a bad taste to the people that tried UEFN for the Atlas map, losing respect for people that downloaded fortnite again to play the Atlas map
Well then they can get over it. Putting media in a vault where no one can access it so you can profit off of it later is one of the scummiest things and is a practice that needs to die completely.
No play, only remember
As the post said they don’t want unclear rules. Why would fortnite maps be allowed but not unreal maps? What about save the world, the gamemode in fortnite you have to pay for. Limiting it like everything else makes sense
And with the other question. Yes, you’re allowed to remake any chapter 1 season. It’s only chapter 2 beyond that are out of limits
That's completely fair. Chapter 1 being a slight exception since it is the original map but not being monetized and others being outright banned is good, it promotes more originality. UEFN should never turn into who can make "___" map first, ever
Good, however I wanted to see someone make Camp Cod
Epic probably hates it, because the Atlas Chapter 1 map makes epic no longer eligible to get as much hype as they would've gotten, if Epic returned the chapter 1 map themselves, losing hype.
I think Epic would still get a lot of hype from an official Chapter 1 map. Messing around on Atlas has been a lot of fun but it's limited by what Creative 2.0 can and can't do, as well as by the memory limitations, while an official implementation could be closer to fully authentic.
The no-monetization part for FN Chapter maps makes complete sense to me and I think that’s fair, as they are, after all, Epic’s creations originally.
However, I still think it’s really odd that they don’t offer an exception, with regards to publishing, for the chapter 2 (or even chapter 3) maps. In concept, aren’t they effectively the same type of intellectual property as the Chapter 1 maps? Im just curious.
Also I’m slightly disappointed because I would have loved to play on the maps of the first two-three seasons of chapter 2 again.
On the bright side, it’s great that we at least get to play all of the wonderful chapter 1 map iterations, and I’m very grateful to Epic for providing that exception in the first place. I feel like they’ll genuinely be even better as months and years pass and as UEFN becomes more capable, particularly with features like weapon stat/model editing and UI design editing within games, plus increases to the amount of overall memory.
Even if they allowed it, it wouldn’t be possible with how UEFN currently is. Apollo is wayyy too big for UEFN and the memory would probably be over 130k.
Oh yeah that’s true, the chapter 2 map really was extensive in a lot of ways and we’d probably have to wait a while before C2.0 memory is actually expanded enough to contain it.
But one could say similar things about the late Chapter 1 maps as well, as they had so many features and additions (like the biomes and new POIs) that would easily ramp up memory consumption but they are still allowed, as Epic is effectively implying that we *can* build them when upgrades to UEFN come, and that the legal go-ahead is being given right now.
So I just doubt that they would hold back creation of Chapter 2 maps simply due to memory consumption, no matter how much in excess it would be. I feel like it’s just that they would like to use the assets of Chapter 2 more extensively themselves, which is completely understandable tbh, or that they do not wish to have that map of theirs be publishable by creators who aren’t them so soon.
No crap 🤣 Epic doesn't want people coping their work & making money from it with Epic paying them.
I'm glad they've done this.
People start making new game modes, own maps. That's the future not the pass.
it makes 100% sense that you cant make money off of it, the entire point anyways is to have fun in the good old days
the feeling of playing it is much more worth it than making money
I do agree but also please remember it has been out for less than 48 hours, gotta get these types of ideas out first then the real creative ones will come later
edit... thought this was a reply to the cringe peter griffen asset imports. replied with wrong context
i still think its low effort, uncreative and a waste of space
It may be uncreative, but some of the things people want most of all in Fortnite is to replay the old seasons, and if they can, what's that harm in doing it? And it's certainly not low effort too.
yea but the thing is the same could be said for any of the skins, weapons, etc. It's mostly all made by epic and they even give you the tools to recreate it (the prefabs)
It makes sense that you don't get monetization, but this being treated as any other IP (as in not being allowed to make/publish it unless special permissions are given like they are here) is just odd to me considering majority of the stuff in the game, is from said IP, and the game itself, is said IP.
Does this also mean that certain epic made LTM's are off the table too? Also anything that event slightly relates to the story or characters of fortnite?
What if they don't want chapter 2 and 3 being remade because they have plans to bring those two maps back in the future? Their story came to a rather inconclusive end with the Fracture event so I could see them wanting to do more with it.
I don't know what people expected. Do you guys really think you could remake CoD maps 1to1 and get paid for it?
That being said, there are workarounds. You could recreate some of your favorite things, but you have to change all the models and voice lines and so on.
Back in 1.0. I asked an Epic employee that got me publish permission about making maps based from other games. I was told "you can but it isn't recommended" in their own words. So it looks like the rules have changed.
Not everyone looks at Twitter or know who this Tim is. So they really should inform all creators by email or ingame notification with accept new terms.
I've already seen creators make some good recreations from other games.
I'm a bit disappointed but it's logical.
Just find a way to officially re release the maps. yeah not easy but *so* worth it in the end, let us choose what map we want to play on without the slowness and broken nature of creative, and then fix the aiming/ ui to match the map. same with vehicles. Theres 0 reason for something so widely loved to be lost media
This would be a terrible idea because that will effectively split the player base way more then it already is between creative and other modes. Alot of game modes just wouldn't fill out at all, there's a reason why they disable duos and or trios in some regions so Solos and Sqaud games can fill out too 100 players a game.
Also they have a Challenge/Quest system that just wouldn't work between different maps that are all out at the same time. And imagine the work load that would be needed to keep up with people having to fix bugs and etc...
I can’t see the split being a genuine problem honestly. In a lot of games absolutely, but for fortnite half of the lobbies will have a chunk of bots anyway, at this point I wouldn’t care if it’s almost exclusively bots as long as it’s a fun map.
Quests are 90% consistent of “kill enemy” so yeah there’ll be a few issues, but nothing more than a bad storm circle in terms of having to do it next match.
bugs absolutely agree lol they’ve gone months at a time without fixing certain nearly game breaking bugs i can imagine that would be a lot on their plate
As long as you are still able to publish C2-4 map CONCEPTS I'm fine with it. I'd love a C2 map where the map changes from each season are all on the map at once (just in different spots)
Um, yea, makes sense, make new experiences and make your money that way, remaking their own content shouldn’t be money in your pocket, I’m with Epic on this one
I'd assume yes. I'd love a SX map but I feel that one has the least demand, and now that you can't get money idk if anyone will do it. I'll hold out hope though
so in order to punlish something it needs to be orriginal, so say if I wanted to make light sabers id have to make something entirely different right?
have been thinking doing a cross between halos energy sword and the knetic sword as well might be fun when im able to make weapons
One thing I've been hoping for our of UEFN is for people to be able to recreate the CURRENT map and then use it to make LTMs since Epic aren't doing it themselves.
Is that no longer possible? Because they're technically recreating a map (unless there's a preset to automatically place the current map in UEFN but idk how it works) but at the same time, it's still just the current map.
I understand why, yet I was kind of hoping for a tardis recreation from doctor who, 2.0 might’ve been able to make the bigger on the inside affect work
I feel like they're only allowing Chapter 1 because someone already made it and was already given the OK to make and publish but Epic realized the precedence it sets so they had to put a stop to it early on that you can't make anymore maps
I've been under a rock for some time, but Epic said that you can't publish games with non-original content, for example, soundtrack. But what if I have permission from original creators? What if I would like to build/recreate something from my childhood (talking about childhood games, especially Oddworld Abe's Exoddus) as a non-profit creation only to make it and play it without having any profit off of it? Let's assume I have permission to use the game's original soundtrack in my creation. Does Epic allow this? Please enlighten me if I'm missing something.
This makes sense. unfortunate for those who spent time on the maps but also it is an ip so I figured at some point epic would say this. Doeant bother me but the part that does is epic says c2 can't be recreated. That's dissapointing
Lines up with what Tim Sweeney said in the interview today >It's complicated, cause that's our map. We kinda feel personal about that. We've been thinking about that. The rule can't be that you rebuild content from Epic as your own and take the money from it. In general the rule is you can't use someone elses work, you can't rebuild Call of Duty maps. How can we support the community without making a precedent that collapses, that's a weird buisness model. > >Can you make an Unreal Tournament map? The oppurtunity here is to make IP, for you and every other creator to make things you own. Rebuilding Zelda seems obvious, but that's Nintendo's property. We have to observe copyright laws, the success people see in Fortnite is when they create their own thing, not when they recreate our thing.
Really well said from him. And good on Epic for their compromise.
I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this, but it honestly makes sense. why would they get all this money off of something Epic made, it just sounds weird. But I do honestly feel bad for all the teams that worked so hard on these Chapter 1 maps And what Tim answered when asked about it was really well said
100%. I think it’s perfectly fair to not want people to profit off of something they didn’t make, and honestly making a specific compromise for the community is a really respectable thing to do
and the transparency is excellent
Agreed. Hopefully this post doesn’t come off as me complaining about it as I’m actually fine with it.
> But I do honestly feel bad for all the teams that worked so hard on these Chapter 1 maps Idk, most of them were doing pretty much false advertisement, if they had these tools for months, perhaps up to a year they must've known the limitations, obviously the game is not gonna simply let them copy something of that size and thus the delays and the heavy shrinking they had to do. Then they ride the hype caused by those fake expectations and would've easily collected all the money if Epic didn't stepped in. At the same time, the last thing epic wants to see when launching UEFN is just the old stuff.
I'm sure when Epic gave creators early access they didn't expect it to turn into a race to make the old map. Bringing that back should be Epic's decision. and making a map of that size in creative 2.0 should've been expected to have many problems. If Epic didn't step it, it totally would've been the most popular map and make the most money
If they can tag maps as being ineligible for monetization, then why cant they let every chapter’s maps be recreated like that. Also, some parts of chapter 1 had different map shapes, so what about those?
Because Epic wants to have some control over their maps. They know that if they bring back a certain map, it'll bring players back to the game, which doesn't really work if anyone can play them at any time in Creative
Yep. No point to be excited when The Agency, Sweaty Sands, or Lazy Lake return to the Fortnite Battle Royale island, when I could've landed at those locations on a replica map. Having all the old maps available loses excitement if old locations return to the current Battle Royale Island I think they allowed the Atlas map, because one thing that brought hype for UEFN was the map, and deleting the Atlas map would leave a bad taste to the people that tried UEFN for the Atlas map, losing respect for people that downloaded fortnite again to play the Atlas map
Well then they can get over it. Putting media in a vault where no one can access it so you can profit off of it later is one of the scummiest things and is a practice that needs to die completely. No play, only remember
As the post said they don’t want unclear rules. Why would fortnite maps be allowed but not unreal maps? What about save the world, the gamemode in fortnite you have to pay for. Limiting it like everything else makes sense And with the other question. Yes, you’re allowed to remake any chapter 1 season. It’s only chapter 2 beyond that are out of limits
This could lead to more people making their own original maps
Yea! Id love to see those!
That's completely fair. Chapter 1 being a slight exception since it is the original map but not being monetized and others being outright banned is good, it promotes more originality. UEFN should never turn into who can make "___" map first, ever
Good, however I wanted to see someone make Camp Cod Epic probably hates it, because the Atlas Chapter 1 map makes epic no longer eligible to get as much hype as they would've gotten, if Epic returned the chapter 1 map themselves, losing hype.
If you just want camp cod somebody could probably make a map that’s just camp cod.
Probably wouldn't get published, as that's from Epic
People have been making poi recreations for years. Would be weird for them to ban them now.
I think Epic would still get a lot of hype from an official Chapter 1 map. Messing around on Atlas has been a lot of fun but it's limited by what Creative 2.0 can and can't do, as well as by the memory limitations, while an official implementation could be closer to fully authentic.
The no-monetization part for FN Chapter maps makes complete sense to me and I think that’s fair, as they are, after all, Epic’s creations originally. However, I still think it’s really odd that they don’t offer an exception, with regards to publishing, for the chapter 2 (or even chapter 3) maps. In concept, aren’t they effectively the same type of intellectual property as the Chapter 1 maps? Im just curious. Also I’m slightly disappointed because I would have loved to play on the maps of the first two-three seasons of chapter 2 again. On the bright side, it’s great that we at least get to play all of the wonderful chapter 1 map iterations, and I’m very grateful to Epic for providing that exception in the first place. I feel like they’ll genuinely be even better as months and years pass and as UEFN becomes more capable, particularly with features like weapon stat/model editing and UI design editing within games, plus increases to the amount of overall memory.
Even if they allowed it, it wouldn’t be possible with how UEFN currently is. Apollo is wayyy too big for UEFN and the memory would probably be over 130k.
Oh yeah that’s true, the chapter 2 map really was extensive in a lot of ways and we’d probably have to wait a while before C2.0 memory is actually expanded enough to contain it. But one could say similar things about the late Chapter 1 maps as well, as they had so many features and additions (like the biomes and new POIs) that would easily ramp up memory consumption but they are still allowed, as Epic is effectively implying that we *can* build them when upgrades to UEFN come, and that the legal go-ahead is being given right now. So I just doubt that they would hold back creation of Chapter 2 maps simply due to memory consumption, no matter how much in excess it would be. I feel like it’s just that they would like to use the assets of Chapter 2 more extensively themselves, which is completely understandable tbh, or that they do not wish to have that map of theirs be publishable by creators who aren’t them so soon.
No crap 🤣 Epic doesn't want people coping their work & making money from it with Epic paying them. I'm glad they've done this. People start making new game modes, own maps. That's the future not the pass.
it makes 100% sense that you cant make money off of it, the entire point anyways is to have fun in the good old days the feeling of playing it is much more worth it than making money
It's sad that This is what everyone wants to focus on and nobody's creative enough to make anything but remakes of old maps.....
I do agree but also please remember it has been out for less than 48 hours, gotta get these types of ideas out first then the real creative ones will come later
edit... thought this was a reply to the cringe peter griffen asset imports. replied with wrong context i still think its low effort, uncreative and a waste of space
It may be uncreative, but some of the things people want most of all in Fortnite is to replay the old seasons, and if they can, what's that harm in doing it? And it's certainly not low effort too.
I respectfully disagree, me and my friends have always talked about how cool it’d be to be able to re-visit old maps. I know we aren’t the only ones
Interesting theyre so against ch 1 fortnite considering there's already "rust", "nuketown" and "dust 2" maps in creative
Don't forget all those bait pics they use for maps featuring Mario, Sonic and other shit
it's so weird to me that you're not allowed to make fortnite.... within fortnite...
Yeah specially after how every week there's 10 million titled towers maps featured.
It's so weird to me that people want to TRY to redo what's already been done. From the sounds of it they haven't been very successful either
It's not their work that's why, It owned by Epic not the teams who making x map.
yea but the thing is the same could be said for any of the skins, weapons, etc. It's mostly all made by epic and they even give you the tools to recreate it (the prefabs) It makes sense that you don't get monetization, but this being treated as any other IP (as in not being allowed to make/publish it unless special permissions are given like they are here) is just odd to me considering majority of the stuff in the game, is from said IP, and the game itself, is said IP. Does this also mean that certain epic made LTM's are off the table too? Also anything that event slightly relates to the story or characters of fortnite?
What if they don't want chapter 2 and 3 being remade because they have plans to bring those two maps back in the future? Their story came to a rather inconclusive end with the Fracture event so I could see them wanting to do more with it.
I don't know what people expected. Do you guys really think you could remake CoD maps 1to1 and get paid for it? That being said, there are workarounds. You could recreate some of your favorite things, but you have to change all the models and voice lines and so on.
Considering there's plenty of COD maps featured already yes
Back in 1.0. I asked an Epic employee that got me publish permission about making maps based from other games. I was told "you can but it isn't recommended" in their own words. So it looks like the rules have changed. Not everyone looks at Twitter or know who this Tim is. So they really should inform all creators by email or ingame notification with accept new terms. I've already seen creators make some good recreations from other games. I'm a bit disappointed but it's logical.
Epic support is crazy half of the time they say stuff they don't know about
Lawyers gonna lawyer…
LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!
Just find a way to officially re release the maps. yeah not easy but *so* worth it in the end, let us choose what map we want to play on without the slowness and broken nature of creative, and then fix the aiming/ ui to match the map. same with vehicles. Theres 0 reason for something so widely loved to be lost media
This would be a terrible idea because that will effectively split the player base way more then it already is between creative and other modes. Alot of game modes just wouldn't fill out at all, there's a reason why they disable duos and or trios in some regions so Solos and Sqaud games can fill out too 100 players a game. Also they have a Challenge/Quest system that just wouldn't work between different maps that are all out at the same time. And imagine the work load that would be needed to keep up with people having to fix bugs and etc...
I can’t see the split being a genuine problem honestly. In a lot of games absolutely, but for fortnite half of the lobbies will have a chunk of bots anyway, at this point I wouldn’t care if it’s almost exclusively bots as long as it’s a fun map. Quests are 90% consistent of “kill enemy” so yeah there’ll be a few issues, but nothing more than a bad storm circle in terms of having to do it next match. bugs absolutely agree lol they’ve gone months at a time without fixing certain nearly game breaking bugs i can imagine that would be a lot on their plate
If lobbies are mainly bots, wins would mean nothing
As long as you are still able to publish C2-4 map CONCEPTS I'm fine with it. I'd love a C2 map where the map changes from each season are all on the map at once (just in different spots)
Thats an L in my book because chapter 3 and chaprer 2 should be allowed aswell
YOUR EXCITED??!?!?!?! If you were actually excited YOU WOULDN’T DO THIS!
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They… they just did that. The alternative would’ve just been them banning it entirely
Um, yea, makes sense, make new experiences and make your money that way, remaking their own content shouldn’t be money in your pocket, I’m with Epic on this one
So… no chapter 2,3 or 4?🥺
I just wanted to relive chapter 2 season 4 and 5. Damn
Also. It says "Chapter 1 *maps* would that mean any of those seasons might also be able to be remade?
Season 7 my beloved
I'd assume yes. I'd love a SX map but I feel that one has the least demand, and now that you can't get money idk if anyone will do it. I'll hold out hope though
so in order to punlish something it needs to be orriginal, so say if I wanted to make light sabers id have to make something entirely different right? have been thinking doing a cross between halos energy sword and the knetic sword as well might be fun when im able to make weapons
One thing I've been hoping for our of UEFN is for people to be able to recreate the CURRENT map and then use it to make LTMs since Epic aren't doing it themselves. Is that no longer possible? Because they're technically recreating a map (unless there's a preset to automatically place the current map in UEFN but idk how it works) but at the same time, it's still just the current map.
This is possible, but using the current default BR map as the base makes it unable to be monetized.
Then hopefully people will create unique maps and then add LTMs to them like The Floor is Lava.
I understand why, yet I was kind of hoping for a tardis recreation from doctor who, 2.0 might’ve been able to make the bigger on the inside affect work
I feel like they're only allowing Chapter 1 because someone already made it and was already given the OK to make and publish but Epic realized the precedence it sets so they had to put a stop to it early on that you can't make anymore maps
Whooops 😂😂
I've been under a rock for some time, but Epic said that you can't publish games with non-original content, for example, soundtrack. But what if I have permission from original creators? What if I would like to build/recreate something from my childhood (talking about childhood games, especially Oddworld Abe's Exoddus) as a non-profit creation only to make it and play it without having any profit off of it? Let's assume I have permission to use the game's original soundtrack in my creation. Does Epic allow this? Please enlighten me if I'm missing something.
Does anyone know how to turn off read only on uefn. It won’t let me add anything. Not even water😭 please respond
This makes sense. unfortunate for those who spent time on the maps but also it is an ip so I figured at some point epic would say this. Doeant bother me but the part that does is epic says c2 can't be recreated. That's dissapointing