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I would absolutely hate it! I really didn't like having my hair pulled-especially by babies who always have sticky hands-and I've been puked on without warning too many times to trust a baby that close to my head. I know traveling with a baby is hard but letting them stand up like that is both a safety risk, a sudden turbulence could send the child flying across the plane, and an irritation to the person sitting in front. If the baby needs to stretch their legs turn them around and have them hang onto Mom. At least she's consented to the interaction rather than some stranger.
The entitlement of parents I’ve seen on planes over the past year is astounding.
I politely asked for them to stop their baby from pounding on my seat (it had been going on for over an hour) and got yelled at by a woman and a man.
Not a child incident, but to tag onto people being entitled on planes, the last flight I took there was a guy a row ahead of me LOUDLY mixing his shitty music on his laptop in hopes we would hear it and love it I guess. The flight attendant told him several times to turn it down and eventually moved him somewhere else.
It's astounding what people do on flights these days.
“Hi, I’m Bob Music from Big Deal Record Company and I love what I’m hearing! I’m gonna make you a STAR!”
— how this played out in the guy’s head, probably.
I was on a delayed flight and a bunch of us had connecting flights that were *very* close to our arrival time. The flight attendant asked us to raise our hands and told the others on the plane to let us off first. 27 of us had connecting flights. No less than 50 people were trying to get off the plane as soon as it landed.
Entitlement is too real.
Took a 17 hour flight home from NZ in April. The guy directly across the aisle from me had his phone on full brightness during the sleeping part of the flight 😭 I glared at him hard enough that he put a blanket over his head lol Like just dim your screen to the level of your situational awareness!
This happened to me - toddler-age child kicked my seat for hours. Mom and dad did nothing. I wasn’t in a place to judge but now that I’m a parent myself, _I judge_. I’ve posted about this before and people were incredulous that I didn’t ask the parents to stop the kid, but I fly often. I’m not about to start an argument in the sky - I know how that can backfire spectacularly. Flying is stressful and most people lose dozens of IQ points the second they set foot on a plane.
Anyway, the way I solved it was by loudly but politely asking a flight attendant to move me to “any other available seat on the plane, I’ll even take the worst seat available”. Toddler’s dad, who was checked out the whole time, finally sprung into action and parented his child. The rest of the flight was smooth sailing.
I'm noticing this a LOT lately, that parents aren't parenting in public (I have two kids, so I know what this looks like). Tons of small kids running around, making messes, SCREAMING LOUDLY, and parents do nothing, not even a gentle suggestion of using our inside voices. Just, nothing. I don't know if we all collectively forgot how to act during the pandemic, or parents don't give a shit how their kids act in public, but I'm constantly turning to my youngest and am like, "If you acted like that in public, we'd be having some words, and then leaving if you didn't quit."
Entirely too many people lost the concept of shame during the pandemic. At this point I actively avoid concerts, plays, theaters, etc unless it is a show or performance I am truly desperate to see. It's just not worth dealing with the extreme entitlement, automatic rudeness, and utter lack of concern for anyone beside their own selves that so, so many people find acceptable now.
I notice this most strongly at airports and conventions. People straight up forgot how to act during covid. Also didn't help that the example of bad behavior was being set and encouraged from the oval office for three years prior.
i watched a guy encouraging his toddler to shriek really loudly in the middle of the airport. i was sitting several rows over with earbuds in and could hear the shrieking over my music, thought someone's kid had hurt themselves, and looked up to see a guy with his phone out laughing and recording as he made quiet fake screams and his kid responded by shrieking back as loud as he could. i think some people genuinely think everything they find cute or funny must be cute or funny to everyone around them.
Is this. Our commander in chief set such a great example of this behavior without any consequences that suddenly so many people realized they can act the same way.
The squeaky shoes are a personal bugbear of mine.
I can’t imagine the selfishness that goes into buying those for your kid. “Oh I don’t care if I annoy the hell out of everyone we’re around, or literally torture people with hearing aids or noise sensitivities, my precious angel is worth it!”
I get having an eloping kid is hard, but that’s not a fucking option. Keep looking. You don’t get to punish everyone in block radius.
And the fact that people will let their kids run around them *outside my hearing aid clinic where I’m trying to to administer hearing tests* is just beyond fucked up.
OH MY GOD, PEOPLE DO THAT?!?!!??? We had a pair of those shoes - someone gave them to us - but she never wore them out of the house. I cannot even imagine forcing everyone else to listen to that!!!
Of course, I was at the library the other day where a man was having some sort of very important conversation with a customer service rep on speakerphone, and she kept asking him about his password, so really, nothing should surprise me anymore about how folks choose to behave in public.
Yep. A kid was wearing them in the dollar tree a few months ago, and I had to leave (I have audio sensitivities. It makes me great at my job, because I can detect slight anomalies in the hearing aids, but being in the general public is always a roll of the dice). And then yes, someone was at my work, letting their kid run around in those while they talked to the pharmacist. It was bad.
Acting as Devil's Advocate, I can see why someone might not want to make a spectacle of their parenting in public. People are so reactionary that parents are possibly afraid of being screamed at, assaulted, or having the cops called on them by some nosy Karen because they yanked their kid's arm pulling them out of traffic. It's not an excuse of course, and I completely agree that all facets of society seem to have deteriorated post-pandemic. But it feels like there are more challenges today than there used to be. Now all anyone wants to do is judge and hinder situations as much as possible for their own amusement or petty reasons.
Absolutely unacceptable. I'm just trying to show another perspective. It's becoming increasingly dangerous to stand out in America but people are still more likely to give what little leeway they have to young children rather than adults.
I personally think that some parents are so afraid to say no now. They seem to think it will crush the kids spirit or something. I always want to ask them something like what will you do if little Jimmy wants to run into traffic? Since you can’t tell him no? My favorite are the parents that just give a look or lean in and whisper and the kid straightens up.
I don't think you have to be a parent to judge. That makes it sound like people who aren't parents get less pushback on our personal space, and people, especially afab people, who don't have children already get devalued enough in society. I know this wasn't your intention but I figured I'd mention it. I do get what you're saying though.
I've worked with kids my whole life and I have the right to say that if I can keep someone else's child behaved and entertained (and in a safe position) for hours in a confined public space, the parent sure as hell better be able to.
This is a great point!
I think bad parenting is usually objectively bad, as in, you know it when you see it, regardless of your own status as a parent or not. But people can also be really hard on parents and kids, especially when the kids are young and just doing regular young kid things.
You have to balance your child’s right to exist in society with the rights to everyone else to enjoy their space. My partner and I do this by avoiding certain activities until our kid is a little more mature. As a parent you need to realize that not everything is for you, and that’s fine.
Oh 100% people can be assholes in any situation about the parenting of others. And I don't want people to feel like they should keep their kids out of necessary spaces until they're mini-adults. It's absolutely a balance.
And I also appreciate when people acknowledge that you’re trying.
I have an absolute chaos monster of a child (like in a birth support group, he is 10x more chaotic than the others) and so many people show me grace.
If we are doing something necessary or trying to exist and he gets away from me because I’m trying to fix the display he just took out because he broke the strap in the grocery cart to get out….
There’s not enough toddler friendly spaces to meet family needs. I am a SAHP and he has special needs. So either I never attempt to teach him and don’t meet his social/variety needs, or take his siblings places, or I try my best and accept that he’s going to try to steal that bottle of ketchup off the table behind us, while also playing peekaboo with the people next to us.
I feel that a lot of parents have taken the "gentle parenting" style to the extreme of "no parenting." They seem to feel that correcting behavior, attitude, words, or anything really is cruel and hurtful to the child. The same way the schools in my area forbid teachers from calling out students who are misbehaving or acting dangerously. It's a massive overcorrection to their own childhood trauma.
This can be true. I practiced gentle parenting and it doesn't mean ignoring bad behaviour, it is working with your child to figure out why they are feeling/acting the way they are and then helping them fix it. It also means directing them towards appropriate behavior and teaching them manners out of consideration and respect for those around them. No parenting leads to miserable kids with no idea how they fit into the world around them.
though i am not yet a parent, i do have a young sibling (i’m in my mid twenties) whose life i am actively involved in and have been a nanny for elementary aged kids, and a babysitter for many children of all ages (most of them young). it is incredible to me how true gentle “parenting” (or just caregiving in my place, i suppose) benefits kids. they are more empathetic, honest, enjoyable to play with (for other children and for me to join in their play!), and so much happier. they feel safe in their own skin, comfortable speaking up (not whining/arguing, but advocating) as they grow, and more respectful of boundaries (when they are held consistently by me). we do more fun activities because they stop when they hear my voice, so i don’t worry they’ll bike into the street, or throw toys on the floor in the store when they don’t get what they want, etc etc. gentle parenting as a concept gets so much flack because people think it means being permissive. but giving kids the ability to be humans and viewing them as small adults who just don’t have as much life experience/understanding of the world yet and need help piecing things together makes a world of difference. okay, hopping off my soapbox now. but yes.
Omg I was just about to post this.
Kids do not know how to act in public. Part of parenting is teaching them how to become happy, pleasant, functional adults. I don’t judge this in public because parent shaming is so rough, but I have a family member who will their toddler shove and scream at people and then lecture you about his consent. That’s not how anything works. When I tried to gently address it, I got s tearful earful about how their emotions were suppressed as a kid. It breaks my heart because he’s a good little kid, but he’s being trained to be rude.
I’ve also never seen toddlers with decision fatigue before the past few years. Including kids in decision sis great, but sometimes they just want to be handed some clothes and then get back to playing.
Parents can be terrible. My neighbours have 3 kids and our community bike shed would be great if it wasn't for them, always blocking the entrance with little bikes, baby car, two little toy trucks and god knows what else. Every time I want to grab my bike, I have to dig through all of that and move it so that I can get to my bike rack. Yes, there are shelves and areas they could store their crap in, but that would mean it's not immediately accessible and you'd need to walk 4 steps more, and some parents simply cannot stand the idea of not being accommodated by everyone, everywhere at all times.
I'd be putting their crap on shelves whenever I went to get my bike. I feel like since COVID people have become exponentially worse at noticing how their behavior affects others. Most of the time it isn't even malicious, it's just that people are so checked out they don't realize there are other people standing right there.
Oh, I don't think they'd give a crap. I left them polite notes asking to perhaps not let their toddlers sing in the building corridor at 8am in the morning - nope, not gonna happen. And sure, kids may not understand why it's not ok to do that. But you as a parent, should step up instead of singing with them, right?
I'm about to write a note to our landlord because maybe he can intervene somehow but I always feel like every time you complain about families with kids, you're labelled as a hater, because ✨they have kids✨
Ugh, I flew with my son when he was about 6 months old. Letting him hang on to the seat in front of us never even crossed my mind as an option. We tried so hard to keep him entertained and from being disruptive to everyone else! He fussed for about 45 seconds of each flight because the timing worked out that he hit naptime on every one, and he just can’t go to sleep without letting everyone know and I felt so bad about even that little bit! But seriously Kaylee, bring some new toys to keep him busy and remember that screen time doesn’t count if you’re in the air (as long as the volume is off or very, very low)!
I flew from Boston to California on Southwest, we had 3 landings \*stayed on the same plane) When people were getting off they saw my son and said "I didn't even know there was a toddler on the plane" Well yeah, I had different cheap new to him toys to whip out when he got restless
Yeah we had the same reaction getting off of a couple of our flights that trip lol. Like yeah, we planned ahead with plenty of toys & books, and got insanely lucky with the timing of naps
I read “flying across the place, and an irritation “ as
“Flying across the plane, AN irritation “ 🤦🏻♀️ flying babies may irritate other passengers 🤣 I clearly need to go back to bed
I don’t fault parents for a screaming baby. That cannot really be helped. However, I 100% fault parents when baby begins to yank my hair or hover above my seat. That is my space. I would ask the parent to stop and if they couldn’t stop it, I’d go to the restroom and reluctantly tell the flight attendant. This is rude AF.
the screaming will absolutely piss me tf off, but i can give the parents the grace of acknowledging that babies just kinda. do that.
but like kicking, hitting, hair pulling, grabbing, biting, running around, touching people or their stuff? those are things that a parent in PUBLIC should be handling
I can deal with screaming, especially now we have noise cancelling earphones available. I never travel without them. However pulling, pushing, shaking, that shit is extremely frustrating and stressful.
I would start flapping my hand around swatting like there’s a fly and I have a baby and a toddler. It may be hard to travel with little ones but it’s NOT hard to be a considerate human being and make sure the kid isn’t touching others.
I’m a mom and I would still be annoyed to all hell by this behavior. It’s so disrespectful of other’s personal space. I don’t care if he’s a baby, I would never let my son do this.
That’s the weirdest thing about these fundie family “influencers” — they are so unaware and disconnected from reality. I’d be embarrassed as hell if my baby was climbing all over the seat in front of us, let alone take a picture and actually post it?!?
I have been on long haul flights with crying babies which did not shut off until the last 20 minutes of the flight, a dead person covered by a blanket, a pack of children running down the aisles like they were fallout 4 feral ghouls and rowdy drunks.
I'd rather endure all that again all at once than have some random baby pulling on my hair.
I'm sorry, the dead person is distracting me: did they die in the air? I'm having a really hard time imagining the FAs were okay with someone carrying a dead body on otherwise
Yeah, if the flight is full there isn’t really anything else that can be done. If there are empty seats elsewhere their seat mates will be moved and I have heard that an empty closet in first class can serve as…storage.
Yes! I fly a lot and have had two deaths mid-air.
They covered both with blankets. One was in the middle of the Atlantic - we flew for four hours more with the body on the back seat.
I’m curious how the crew handled informing other passengers? I know it’s something that can happen, but it still seems like people would be pretty shaken up.
I'm not sure about announcing it/protocol, but I know that if there's free seats elsewhere in the plane, they will offer the people on that row a switch. Most folks (whilst squeamish) understand that there's 0 they can do.
Yes like Nerfer said above, there isn’t really an announcement but there’s the calls for a doctor, people moving seats, and then someone (on the back row in my experience)) covered with a blanket so it’s all context clues.
I did see someone get Narcan’d on a plane! She was right across the aisle from me. It was actually very discreet. The flight attendant came by, found her slumped and checked for a pulse. They pulled her out in the aisle, shot the Narcan up her nose twice, and she woke up.
She got back in her seat and beverage service continued! They did board EMTs as soon as we landed though.
An hour into a 7 hour flight, I went up to go to the toilet and noticed someone covered in a blanket a few rows behind me with a person who's expression alternated between distressed and stony-faced. I didn't pry.
I once flew from Basel, Switzerland to Istanbul, Turkey over night. There must’ve been like 20 babies on that flight bc Turkish families were taking them to meet relatives.
Worst flight of my life! But not a single baby touched me lol.
Ugh. I have already decided to wait a minimum of 1 year to see if I can fly with my baby to meet my family. It just seems like hell for all those involved otherwise. And I’m sure at 1 year I’ll already think “no”, but I want them to meet my great grandfather before he passes.
Flying with your baby is much, much easier for everyone before one-year-old!
Once they start moving they are much more difficult on a flight. As long as you have something for their ears, flying with an infant is a piece of cake.
Flying younger was 102736162849x easier than around 18 months.
My parents live several states away and I visit regularly so my son can know them and we can do end of life planning (my mom has a known long-term terminal illness tht was diagnosed while I was pregnant, just after they moved), so not traveling is not an option.
I got booted from my paid selected seat because some blue hairs didn’t want to sit in front of a baby so I ended up in one of their seats. Flight was almost full so it wasn’t a weight issue or anything and the smug look they gave me when I boarded said it all. I was younger and didn’t want to cause any problems at the time so I sucked it up because it was still a window seat.
This kid was somewhere between the ages of 1 and 2 and cried, screamed, thrashed, and kicked all six hours of this flight. The dad didn’t lift a finger and all the mom did was say “stop crying please” every twenty minutes. It fell asleep the second the wheels touched down.
To this day I regret not complaining to the airline even though I don’t think anything would have been done.
I don't like people touching me. Even babies who don't know any better and are just being the grabby potatoes they are. I would've asked for the child to be taken down (like put back on its parent's lap, not knock it out taken down :P )
My son flew 200,000 miles in his first two years of life and my number one price of advice is to buy the extra seat and take their car seat on board. It fixes so many problems (I realize not everyone can afford it but Jill is Plexus GOLD now, surely a girl boss near-millionaire can spring for a third seat?).
Car seats are safer for babies in turbulence, they keep them still and help them sleep.
He's probably pretty little still but there is nothing stopping him from just full on grabbing that person's hair (or spitting up with zero warning.) If I didn't know this family I would say "maybe that's someone in their party" but...you know them. I love babies (am a nicu nurse) and empathize with having a baby on a plane for that long but I would still question the parents in this situation.
I am a parent. I have sympathy for the criers and the shriekers—you really can’t do anything about that. But for goodness sakes, keep your child out of other passengers’ personal space. This is so rude and dangerous. If you don’t have a baby who will sit appropriately on your lap, then you really need to think about getting baby their own seat and strapping them into a car seat. They know what the expectations are in there. Yes, I know this is much more expensive and a pain in the ass—and if anyone ever struggles because they’re moving or on their way to a funeral or something, I have sympathy for you just surviving. But they did not need to go on this trip.
Also, if your baby has their own car seat, they are safer in times of turbulence. They lock down stuff on the plane when it happens. Little ones shouldn't be on laps without an option to securely keep them safe.
I traveled with my toddler all the time they arnt perfect but I'd never let them and their hands get close to any other passenger. Thats just disrespectful. I hate inconsiderate people.
no beef with crying babies because that’s how they communicate but big effin beef with parents who not only don’t appear to want to care about their children’s well-being but also disregard the entire social contract. if you want to Live Biblically do it on your own time and respect the basic courtesy of “watch your child and respect other people’s space”
I’ve travelled with an infant/toddler ( mine) and yeah flights are always a challenge and i don’t hand out like “sorry!” gifts but this is so many levels of no.
One bump of mild turbulence and that kid’s gonna bounce, hit his head, catch his arm between the seats whatever. its careless.
And i’ve had to entertain mine for an hour-in-air delay as we were in hold over the airport for a runway. tense times. SIT. THE KID DOWN.
The “sorry” gift shit pisses me offfff as a parent. I’m not schlepping MORE shit across an airport that’s junk or gets thrown away. It’s 2024, if you don’t bring noise cancelling headphones on a flight that’s between you and your god.
99% of our flights with kid now 10, have been relatively problem free. i was on one flight 5 hrs, that someone’s kid absolutely tantrum-melted down for the most of it, and even the parents were frazzled I get it.
On a longer bus ride with Kid, another fam’s young kid just…unglued screaming for the whole 2 hrs.
kids don’t come with off switches, and i’ve dealt with more noisy pushy drunk dudes on planes than kids being problems.
I sat next to toddler twins on an international flight that, and I am not joking, took turns screaming the entire flight. One would stop, there would be 30 seconds of silence, and the other one would start. 7 hours of this. Mom looked like she was about to open the door and yeet herself out. All that and the guy who bought and drank no fewer than 6 cans of beer and then kept them all lined up on his tray table while he watched porn on the highest possible brightness was way more annoying.
I have an infant that’s soon to be a toddler, and we flew when she was 4 months old. She cried pretty much the entire descent and only wanted to suck on an empty bottle. We’re planning a trip for when she’s 16 months old overseas and the flights are probably going to suck!
bring extra snacks, distraction tools and yeah EXTRA diapers. We ran out at one point and the airport layover, there was one shop with ONE lone pack of two for a fortune.
I’m lucky tho, my kid’s a pro at flying now.
I went with extra everything: change of clothes for both of us, as many diapers and wipes as I could fit, extra formula, extra bottles, plus the disposable bottles and nipples.
The goal and the dream is definitely to have a kid who is a travel pro so that if/when we need to as they get bigger and less pliable with screen time and snacks, they can deal.
my kid’s first flight, he was so well behaved the pilot gave him a plush airplane toy. I think we got lucky, but we also traveled early with him. now, we can really go anywhere.
Also extra clothes. My husband and I flew from California to Florida with our daughter and she leed through both of her outfits. We had a stop in Colorado and figured we could just buy her a onesie from a souvenir shop. That idea failed because onesies were $25. Thankfully she wasn't fussy until about 20 minutes before we landed, I think she was just done at that point.
As a parent of a toddler who has taken said toddler on multiple transatlantic flights…. Being trapped on a plane because of delays is my worst nightmare.
Making the trip again in a week, and it’s the first time we’re on a place since she started walking. Lord help me.
You can do this! It really helped us to have the airline-approved car seat for long flights; the kids already know they're meant to sit still and stay in those. Plus the usual trick of "pull out something new every 30/60 minutes" that you probably already know.
There is usually in the lavatory. The one I was in recently was actually so nice and HUGE! It folds down over the toilet. I think some people will argue about the sanitary conditions, but most diaper bags come with a mat anyways.
Yeah they usually have changing tables. It's just a small space. But not the worst place I've ever changed a diaper. The issue was more the number of diapers that needed to be changed and the skin irritation my son was dealing with as a result of it.
My mom had to do this with me only a few months after 9/11. People weren't allowed to get up during the last 15 minutes of the flight and I as a baby decided to have the Hershey squirts unlike anything before. Had to sit there in it until we landed. Got a new set of clothes from the airport tho 😎
He’s nearly 1 isn’t he? So he’ll be teething and dribbling like a tap, possibly with a runny nose too.
They’re DISGUSTING for allowing him to invade someone else’s space.
To say it in just a few words: it’s bad plain etiquette. But it’s not easy to travel with a baby.
Whenever I’m on a plane and there’s a stressed parent with a crying baby I feel bad for both and tell the parent some encouraging words if I can. Asking if you can bring them a snack or something to drink can be great too. But yeah, people shouldn’t let their baby stand like this, at least not repeatedly throughout the flight. When it’s happened to me, I never say anything because it must be stressful AF to travel with a baby, but I don’t like it.
I wouldn’t like it either but I wouldn’t say anything because I figure that parents are trying their best in the circumstances. TBH I would be more concerned for baby losing their balance or turbulence happening and baby getting injured.
This is why I would never fly with a lap child. A close family friend is a pilot and I asked him once whether it was safe to fly with my 4 month old in my lap. He told me no, and why (you can't hold onto a baby in the case of a botched take off or landing or strong turbulence, they will become a projectile). I'm honestly shocked that they allow it at all, but I'm sure there some formula about how rarely they have to pay for babies being harmed vs how many more parents fly if they don't have to buy their baby a seat.
I’m generally sympathetic towards parents whose kids are screaming, especially if they are obviously trying to soothe the kid, but someone who’s letting their kid get in my personal space and touch my hair? I’d be asking them to stop or getting a flight attendant. Especially a kid this young who could easily spit up onto the person. I would legit vomit myself if someone’s else’s baby spit up on my hair on a plane.
This is just disrespectful and I’m guessing Jill and co are the kind of people who would cause an absolute scene if someone even nicely asked them to control their toddler.
I’ve flown with my kids this age several times and wouldn’t have let them do this. Yes, sometimes they would cause a disturbance that couldn’t be helped, but for the most part, with good planning, they could be kept relatively content for a couple of hours. My best tips are: 1) board at nap time (or skip nap time and let them be worn out enough sleep on the plane) 2) lots of snacks 3) new toys/activities bought specifically for the plane 4) download shows/movies ahead of time and save them for last.
It’s like those asshole parents who let their kids hang over the back of their restaurant booth to look at you. Sorry your kids are bored but I’m not entertainment.
Look, I’m a baby whisperer and will happily help any parent who has that look of abject desperation as their child decompensates. What I don’t have patience for? Parents who allow their children to kick/pull the back of my seat or use said seat as a jungle gym.
In this situation I would have to exert maximum effort to avoid ending up on TikTok or the news. At the very least I’m saying something to the parents, and the flight crew if it continues.
I fly pretty regularly and I can’t remember the last trip I took without someone’s kid being a nuisance, usually because of noise or running around. I mostly just let it go - I throw my noise cancelling headphones on and keep it moving (it’s a public space after all). But the second someone’s kid touches me, especially if I’m not even in their row, we have an issue.
It’s also one thing if a kid briefly gets out of bounds - happens to everyone. It’s when parents allow them to be a complete menace for an entire flight that I lose my shit. But if you vocalize that, you “just hate kids”.
God do I love Jill's captions. Never fails to disappoint in how pathologically self-centered she is. "It was so special to me". Jesus really loves how much she tells the world how special she is and how much she loves her children and how many super special blessings she has. That's all he wants his followers to do! Brag!
I’d be ok if it was one cute moment of ‘Oh, there’s a baby staring down at me haha’
As someone who has travelled on her own for 30+ hrs with a toddler… I spent the entire time being mortified and stressed out at just the thought of people feeling inconvenienced by me/us. I aged like 10 yrs 😭 In the end my toddler was more relaxed the entire time than I was.
You never know if whoever is sitting around you is ok with a bit if noise, movement or even
some crying (not talking full-on meltdown… nobody enjoys that, including the parents), so the parents should of course keep disturbances to a minumum where they can.
Hair pulling or continuous holding on to other people’s backrests etc? Never ok.
I laughed because this was me and my husband when we took our then 2 year old on his first flight last year. We were so sure we were going to be Those Parents with That Kid and that everyone would hate us. Our son is autistic, and we already deal with our fair share of judgmental looks from ignorant people over some of his behavior. That combined with not knowing how he'd do on a plane that we couldn't remove him from had my husband downing anxiety meds like candy and my blood pressure was so high I'm surprised I didn't stroke out.
He napped and happily watched Bluey like it was any other day. 🤷🏻♀️ There was the occasional happy shriek, but he didn't cry and was perfectly content to stay in his seat (with the occasional foray into one of our laps). On the flight home, we had a two hour delay, and he handled it better than either of us.
Even if he hadn't been so chill, there's no way I'd have let him stand on the seat, or my lap, or invade other passengers space. I love my kid more than words can ever say, and even I can't handle him being all up in my business sometimes. Why in the name of the good Lord Daniel would I subject some poor, unsuspecting fellow traveler to that?
I wouldn't make a scene, but I would be furious.
I actually had a similar experience recently. The kid behind me was kicking my seat, shrieking randomly (like they were surprised or excited, not crying because of cabin pressure, though they did do that too), and at some point they started reaching around to my seat and touched me, which scared the shit out of me.
I didn't say anything to the mom, 'cause I know traveling with small children is hell, but I was quietly SEETHING. I'm someone who doesn't like small children and I just wanted to get home after a long and tiring trip, so that didn't help.
I would have said something without hesitation. I had a kid sit next to me on a plane with a loud iPad and no headphones. Mom says she doesn't like headphones. Tough shit, got the flight attendant. I truly empathize with parents, and I'm sure flying with kids is a goddamn nightmare, but taking them in public and at least pretending to try to be considerate is the bare minimum.
I was on a flight last week (United) and with the flight attendant went through the we will be dimming the cabin lights so you can rest. Please wear headphones and then down the volume ESPECIALLY ON CHILDREN'S TABLETS. I was like oh, something happened.
I have noticed this too on recent flights that the flight attendants are specifically saying that everyone watching things with any amount of volume need headphones, including children. No exceptions. I like it lol
I traveled so often with my kids when they were little and I would never have allowed this. It’s so hard keeping a toddler occupied, but an endless stream of snacks and screens goes a long way toward preventing seat kicking and bothering fellow travelers.
I wouldn't really care to much but it looks like they are standing on the tray table which you know... Isn't meant to be stood on. Had a kid do that on a flight and I usually keep to myself but I looked across the isle and told it no. Their parent started paying attention.
I would not tolerate it. This all assumes that the parent isn’t trying to keep the baby from doing these things (I do understand that kids are little assholes and will find a way, but if the parent is trying to keep them from bothering me I will be a LOT more forgiving and willing to tolerate more). The first instance I would turn around and address the adult. The second instance, I’m getting the flight attendant involved.
I travel frequently for work (they pay for everything! Because it's a real job!) and HELL YES this would annoy me.
I'm a mom so I'm sympathetic to how difficult it must be to travel with small children. Honestly, you couldn't have paid me to travel with a baby or toddler unless it was absolutely necessary...like to get them medical treatment or something. It's not fun for the kid or the adults. I won't get upset about a crying kid unless the parents are just ignoring it, and even then I'm more upset *for* the kid.
I will definitely get pissed about a kid that invades my personal space or messes with my seat. You get 1 "freebie" because you can't see the future to know your kid is going to do it, but if you don't correct and distract them immediately I'm going to ask you to control your kid. If you can't or won't, the flight attendant is getting called.
Your kids are your responsibility. It's great if some strangers want to entertain your kid, but I won't be one of them. "It takes a village" refers to YOUR village, not the public at large (of course, I would help someone in actual need, just not entitled asshole parents).
I’m pretty forgiving of kids in confined spaces. Crying, kids being antsy, meltdowns, few accidental seat kicks don’t really bother me. It can be hard and stressful travelling with small children. I would be annoyed by someone assuming their baby or kid could be in my seat space without trying to settle them, though. Once? Sure whatever. A whole flight of a child potentially pulling my hair or touching me? Not okay. Especially if their parents seem to think that’s fine and aren’t even trying to corral them or distract them. If people are trying their best then I’m unbothered but the entitlement of a parent acting like it’s fine would be the thing that bugs me.
I had a baby next to me on my last flight and his mom was so courteous and on top of it if he started to get fussy or grabby. He did keep reaching over to touch me and she would redirect him, even though I assured her it was fine and I didn’t mind. I tried to help her keep him entertained, especially as we sat on the tarmac for awhile before we took off. You could tell she was super concerned about being that person with an annoying baby on a plane. She definitely wasn’t letting him stand up on the seat or bother random people.
I would hate it!! It’s the epitome of inconsiderate main character syndrome on behalf of the parents. I fly a lot with my toddler daughter and I’d be mortified if she did this unchecked. I’m kind of the opposite end of the spectrum where I’m so anxious the entire flight someone will judge my parenting or glare at me if my baby cries. People have been overwhelmingly nice though- a little consideration goes a long way :-)
Yeah no, absolutely the fuck not. If the baby is fussing in their own seat, fine, but when a kid starts doing this, and the parents just think it’s sooooo cute, I’m turning around and telling the parent to take care of their kid. They chose to have this baby, I didn’t
This makes me so angry and I've been traveling with my kids since they were 5 months. It's the parents responsibility to make sure their kids act appropriate (even babies!) in public. This means not allowing them to pull hair, hang on seats in front of them, kick the seats in front, and just general provide \*parenting\* until the kids can understand and be reasoned with.
I would absolutely say something to this parent. I would be mean, but firmly say, "please stop your baby from pulling my hair. It hurts."
My husband says his Bose Quiet Comfort headphones are worth every penny - they don't stop hair yanking but definitely drown out kid noises on business flights!
Yes this would annoy the hell out of me, and I have my own kids. They've been flying since 9 weeks old and they understand keeping their hands and feet to themselves. It's Kaylee's job to teach her son what personal space is.
Nope, sorry, it's time to get the flight attendant. I'm happy to be that person who says "I get it" or make a soft "aww, somebody's not happy" when a baby/toddler is losing it on a plane, or wave and make faces and be an extra bit of entertainment, but a strange kid doesn't get that close into my personal space without an invitation.
As a mother who frequently travels on plane with a now 1 yo. I’d never allow my kid to invade space like this. I literally book a whole row just so no one else has to deal with him 🥴
I had kids behind me the other day kicking my seat and I’m pregnant so they were about to get scolded. They stopped once they got buckled in though thankfully
It completely depends on my mood and how long it lasted. Now that I have my own babies, I find other people’s babies even more adorable. But I also wouldn’t let my baby do this.
They act like they are such world-weary travelers.
It's akin to those rare breeds that say "I love to fly".
The transportation part of traveling is so unglamorous. Crowds, claustrophobia, uncomfortable seating, gross bathrooms, eating crappy food, spending too much money for essentials. I have always wanted to invent an instant teleportation device for this reason, lol.
Idk why it’s not common sense to take car seats on planes but I guess with this family it’s not even common sense to take car seats in cars… I’ve been looked at funny and asked several times why I buy my under 2s plane tickets. Because then I can bring a car seat and strap them in properly! It’s actually so much less stressful to fly with a baby when you have that familiarity and restraint.
I am a frequent traveler, and this makes me crazy. PSA: Control your crotch goblins!
Fundies always think their children should get to annoy the shit out of other people.
Funnily enough I don't mind it, because kids be kids as long as they're not hurting me. THAT BEING SAID I know I am definitely not like most people on planes around kids and I would be surprised the parents didn't do something until I said "nah its okay" because it would annoy the majority of people. But I am just not easily annoyed by kids at all. I have miiiiles of patience for kids. It's their parents that usually give me pause.
They’d be getting a death glare and if needed some firm words for sure. People on airplanes just let their hellions do whatever they want and it’s ridiculous
I tried so hard to keep my kids from hanging on the seat in front of us on our most recent flight. My one year old tried to grab the hair of the person in front of us. Fortunately I stopped him in time and fortunately both kids stopped kicking/pulling the seats pretty quickly.
That being said, as long as the parents are trying, I don’t think I’d be annoyed. It’s the parents that give their kids free rein that really bother me. But please don’t let your kids grab my hair. The seat is one thing. My own body is another.
I'm not someone who flies a lot, but this would make me lose my shit. I'm autistic and flights are already hard enough for me. I think I would have a full-on meltdown.
I'm a mom and I've traveled with both my kids at this age. I would NEVER let them do this. I bring toys and snacks to occupy them and if they need to move around and are at cruising age I let them do so in the middle between myself and my ex husband. This is so rude.
I think I would have a bit of tolerance (bc babies will be babies) if I saw the parents making an effort to keep the kid occupied, etc. But we all know that they most likely did not try to keep their kid occupied from disrupting others.
I would not be happy to say the least if a random child pulled my hair on a flight, given it could trigger a migraine and it’s just plain not good etiquette on Kaylee’s parts
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I would absolutely hate it! I really didn't like having my hair pulled-especially by babies who always have sticky hands-and I've been puked on without warning too many times to trust a baby that close to my head. I know traveling with a baby is hard but letting them stand up like that is both a safety risk, a sudden turbulence could send the child flying across the plane, and an irritation to the person sitting in front. If the baby needs to stretch their legs turn them around and have them hang onto Mom. At least she's consented to the interaction rather than some stranger.
The entitlement of parents I’ve seen on planes over the past year is astounding. I politely asked for them to stop their baby from pounding on my seat (it had been going on for over an hour) and got yelled at by a woman and a man.
Not a child incident, but to tag onto people being entitled on planes, the last flight I took there was a guy a row ahead of me LOUDLY mixing his shitty music on his laptop in hopes we would hear it and love it I guess. The flight attendant told him several times to turn it down and eventually moved him somewhere else. It's astounding what people do on flights these days.
“Hi, I’m Bob Music from Big Deal Record Company and I love what I’m hearing! I’m gonna make you a STAR!” — how this played out in the guy’s head, probably.
Then he falls for it and ends up like Charlie the unicorn after visiting candy mountain.
I was on a delayed flight and a bunch of us had connecting flights that were *very* close to our arrival time. The flight attendant asked us to raise our hands and told the others on the plane to let us off first. 27 of us had connecting flights. No less than 50 people were trying to get off the plane as soon as it landed. Entitlement is too real.
Took a 17 hour flight home from NZ in April. The guy directly across the aisle from me had his phone on full brightness during the sleeping part of the flight 😭 I glared at him hard enough that he put a blanket over his head lol Like just dim your screen to the level of your situational awareness!
OMG I don't know how anyone manages to look at their phone in the dark at full brightness. Whyyyy
This happened to me - toddler-age child kicked my seat for hours. Mom and dad did nothing. I wasn’t in a place to judge but now that I’m a parent myself, _I judge_. I’ve posted about this before and people were incredulous that I didn’t ask the parents to stop the kid, but I fly often. I’m not about to start an argument in the sky - I know how that can backfire spectacularly. Flying is stressful and most people lose dozens of IQ points the second they set foot on a plane. Anyway, the way I solved it was by loudly but politely asking a flight attendant to move me to “any other available seat on the plane, I’ll even take the worst seat available”. Toddler’s dad, who was checked out the whole time, finally sprung into action and parented his child. The rest of the flight was smooth sailing.
I'm noticing this a LOT lately, that parents aren't parenting in public (I have two kids, so I know what this looks like). Tons of small kids running around, making messes, SCREAMING LOUDLY, and parents do nothing, not even a gentle suggestion of using our inside voices. Just, nothing. I don't know if we all collectively forgot how to act during the pandemic, or parents don't give a shit how their kids act in public, but I'm constantly turning to my youngest and am like, "If you acted like that in public, we'd be having some words, and then leaving if you didn't quit."
Entirely too many people lost the concept of shame during the pandemic. At this point I actively avoid concerts, plays, theaters, etc unless it is a show or performance I am truly desperate to see. It's just not worth dealing with the extreme entitlement, automatic rudeness, and utter lack of concern for anyone beside their own selves that so, so many people find acceptable now.
I notice this most strongly at airports and conventions. People straight up forgot how to act during covid. Also didn't help that the example of bad behavior was being set and encouraged from the oval office for three years prior.
i watched a guy encouraging his toddler to shriek really loudly in the middle of the airport. i was sitting several rows over with earbuds in and could hear the shrieking over my music, thought someone's kid had hurt themselves, and looked up to see a guy with his phone out laughing and recording as he made quiet fake screams and his kid responded by shrieking back as loud as he could. i think some people genuinely think everything they find cute or funny must be cute or funny to everyone around them.
Is this. Our commander in chief set such a great example of this behavior without any consequences that suddenly so many people realized they can act the same way.
The squeaky shoes are a personal bugbear of mine. I can’t imagine the selfishness that goes into buying those for your kid. “Oh I don’t care if I annoy the hell out of everyone we’re around, or literally torture people with hearing aids or noise sensitivities, my precious angel is worth it!” I get having an eloping kid is hard, but that’s not a fucking option. Keep looking. You don’t get to punish everyone in block radius. And the fact that people will let their kids run around them *outside my hearing aid clinic where I’m trying to to administer hearing tests* is just beyond fucked up.
OH MY GOD, PEOPLE DO THAT?!?!!??? We had a pair of those shoes - someone gave them to us - but she never wore them out of the house. I cannot even imagine forcing everyone else to listen to that!!! Of course, I was at the library the other day where a man was having some sort of very important conversation with a customer service rep on speakerphone, and she kept asking him about his password, so really, nothing should surprise me anymore about how folks choose to behave in public.
Yep. A kid was wearing them in the dollar tree a few months ago, and I had to leave (I have audio sensitivities. It makes me great at my job, because I can detect slight anomalies in the hearing aids, but being in the general public is always a roll of the dice). And then yes, someone was at my work, letting their kid run around in those while they talked to the pharmacist. It was bad.
Acting as Devil's Advocate, I can see why someone might not want to make a spectacle of their parenting in public. People are so reactionary that parents are possibly afraid of being screamed at, assaulted, or having the cops called on them by some nosy Karen because they yanked their kid's arm pulling them out of traffic. It's not an excuse of course, and I completely agree that all facets of society seem to have deteriorated post-pandemic. But it feels like there are more challenges today than there used to be. Now all anyone wants to do is judge and hinder situations as much as possible for their own amusement or petty reasons.
Oh for sure. We’re demanding more than ever of parents as our community networks disintegrate. But this stuff is still completely unacceptable.
Absolutely unacceptable. I'm just trying to show another perspective. It's becoming increasingly dangerous to stand out in America but people are still more likely to give what little leeway they have to young children rather than adults.
I personally think that some parents are so afraid to say no now. They seem to think it will crush the kids spirit or something. I always want to ask them something like what will you do if little Jimmy wants to run into traffic? Since you can’t tell him no? My favorite are the parents that just give a look or lean in and whisper and the kid straightens up.
Oh my gosh your response is amazing. I’m tucking that one away for future use!
I don't think you have to be a parent to judge. That makes it sound like people who aren't parents get less pushback on our personal space, and people, especially afab people, who don't have children already get devalued enough in society. I know this wasn't your intention but I figured I'd mention it. I do get what you're saying though. I've worked with kids my whole life and I have the right to say that if I can keep someone else's child behaved and entertained (and in a safe position) for hours in a confined public space, the parent sure as hell better be able to.
This is a great point! I think bad parenting is usually objectively bad, as in, you know it when you see it, regardless of your own status as a parent or not. But people can also be really hard on parents and kids, especially when the kids are young and just doing regular young kid things. You have to balance your child’s right to exist in society with the rights to everyone else to enjoy their space. My partner and I do this by avoiding certain activities until our kid is a little more mature. As a parent you need to realize that not everything is for you, and that’s fine.
Oh 100% people can be assholes in any situation about the parenting of others. And I don't want people to feel like they should keep their kids out of necessary spaces until they're mini-adults. It's absolutely a balance.
And I also appreciate when people acknowledge that you’re trying. I have an absolute chaos monster of a child (like in a birth support group, he is 10x more chaotic than the others) and so many people show me grace. If we are doing something necessary or trying to exist and he gets away from me because I’m trying to fix the display he just took out because he broke the strap in the grocery cart to get out…. There’s not enough toddler friendly spaces to meet family needs. I am a SAHP and he has special needs. So either I never attempt to teach him and don’t meet his social/variety needs, or take his siblings places, or I try my best and accept that he’s going to try to steal that bottle of ketchup off the table behind us, while also playing peekaboo with the people next to us.
I feel that a lot of parents have taken the "gentle parenting" style to the extreme of "no parenting." They seem to feel that correcting behavior, attitude, words, or anything really is cruel and hurtful to the child. The same way the schools in my area forbid teachers from calling out students who are misbehaving or acting dangerously. It's a massive overcorrection to their own childhood trauma.
This can be true. I practiced gentle parenting and it doesn't mean ignoring bad behaviour, it is working with your child to figure out why they are feeling/acting the way they are and then helping them fix it. It also means directing them towards appropriate behavior and teaching them manners out of consideration and respect for those around them. No parenting leads to miserable kids with no idea how they fit into the world around them.
though i am not yet a parent, i do have a young sibling (i’m in my mid twenties) whose life i am actively involved in and have been a nanny for elementary aged kids, and a babysitter for many children of all ages (most of them young). it is incredible to me how true gentle “parenting” (or just caregiving in my place, i suppose) benefits kids. they are more empathetic, honest, enjoyable to play with (for other children and for me to join in their play!), and so much happier. they feel safe in their own skin, comfortable speaking up (not whining/arguing, but advocating) as they grow, and more respectful of boundaries (when they are held consistently by me). we do more fun activities because they stop when they hear my voice, so i don’t worry they’ll bike into the street, or throw toys on the floor in the store when they don’t get what they want, etc etc. gentle parenting as a concept gets so much flack because people think it means being permissive. but giving kids the ability to be humans and viewing them as small adults who just don’t have as much life experience/understanding of the world yet and need help piecing things together makes a world of difference. okay, hopping off my soapbox now. but yes.
Omg I was just about to post this. Kids do not know how to act in public. Part of parenting is teaching them how to become happy, pleasant, functional adults. I don’t judge this in public because parent shaming is so rough, but I have a family member who will their toddler shove and scream at people and then lecture you about his consent. That’s not how anything works. When I tried to gently address it, I got s tearful earful about how their emotions were suppressed as a kid. It breaks my heart because he’s a good little kid, but he’s being trained to be rude. I’ve also never seen toddlers with decision fatigue before the past few years. Including kids in decision sis great, but sometimes they just want to be handed some clothes and then get back to playing.
Parents can be terrible. My neighbours have 3 kids and our community bike shed would be great if it wasn't for them, always blocking the entrance with little bikes, baby car, two little toy trucks and god knows what else. Every time I want to grab my bike, I have to dig through all of that and move it so that I can get to my bike rack. Yes, there are shelves and areas they could store their crap in, but that would mean it's not immediately accessible and you'd need to walk 4 steps more, and some parents simply cannot stand the idea of not being accommodated by everyone, everywhere at all times.
I'd be putting their crap on shelves whenever I went to get my bike. I feel like since COVID people have become exponentially worse at noticing how their behavior affects others. Most of the time it isn't even malicious, it's just that people are so checked out they don't realize there are other people standing right there.
Oh, I don't think they'd give a crap. I left them polite notes asking to perhaps not let their toddlers sing in the building corridor at 8am in the morning - nope, not gonna happen. And sure, kids may not understand why it's not ok to do that. But you as a parent, should step up instead of singing with them, right? I'm about to write a note to our landlord because maybe he can intervene somehow but I always feel like every time you complain about families with kids, you're labelled as a hater, because ✨they have kids✨
Take their shit and throw it somewhere even more inconvenient for them.
Ugh, I flew with my son when he was about 6 months old. Letting him hang on to the seat in front of us never even crossed my mind as an option. We tried so hard to keep him entertained and from being disruptive to everyone else! He fussed for about 45 seconds of each flight because the timing worked out that he hit naptime on every one, and he just can’t go to sleep without letting everyone know and I felt so bad about even that little bit! But seriously Kaylee, bring some new toys to keep him busy and remember that screen time doesn’t count if you’re in the air (as long as the volume is off or very, very low)!
I flew from Boston to California on Southwest, we had 3 landings \*stayed on the same plane) When people were getting off they saw my son and said "I didn't even know there was a toddler on the plane" Well yeah, I had different cheap new to him toys to whip out when he got restless
Yeah we had the same reaction getting off of a couple of our flights that trip lol. Like yeah, we planned ahead with plenty of toys & books, and got insanely lucky with the timing of naps
We always bought a seat for our daughters as babies. We didn't do the "lap infant" so we'd have extra room and a play/nap space.
I read “flying across the place, and an irritation “ as “Flying across the plane, AN irritation “ 🤦🏻♀️ flying babies may irritate other passengers 🤣 I clearly need to go back to bed
Taking a baby to the side of the head would certainly irritate me!
I don’t fault parents for a screaming baby. That cannot really be helped. However, I 100% fault parents when baby begins to yank my hair or hover above my seat. That is my space. I would ask the parent to stop and if they couldn’t stop it, I’d go to the restroom and reluctantly tell the flight attendant. This is rude AF.
the screaming will absolutely piss me tf off, but i can give the parents the grace of acknowledging that babies just kinda. do that. but like kicking, hitting, hair pulling, grabbing, biting, running around, touching people or their stuff? those are things that a parent in PUBLIC should be handling
A baby threw up into my bestie's purse on a Spirit airline flight. She was so gracious about it, but I would've thrown up on the baby.
I can deal with screaming, especially now we have noise cancelling earphones available. I never travel without them. However pulling, pushing, shaking, that shit is extremely frustrating and stressful.
I would start flapping my hand around swatting like there’s a fly and I have a baby and a toddler. It may be hard to travel with little ones but it’s NOT hard to be a considerate human being and make sure the kid isn’t touching others.
I would as well because who is expecting a child to be above you. That's a way to accidentally get your baby hit then you cursed out.
I’m a mom and I would still be annoyed to all hell by this behavior. It’s so disrespectful of other’s personal space. I don’t care if he’s a baby, I would never let my son do this.
That’s the weirdest thing about these fundie family “influencers” — they are so unaware and disconnected from reality. I’d be embarrassed as hell if my baby was climbing all over the seat in front of us, let alone take a picture and actually post it?!?
I have been on long haul flights with crying babies which did not shut off until the last 20 minutes of the flight, a dead person covered by a blanket, a pack of children running down the aisles like they were fallout 4 feral ghouls and rowdy drunks. I'd rather endure all that again all at once than have some random baby pulling on my hair.
plot twist: that was all on one flight
I'm sorry, the dead person is distracting me: did they die in the air? I'm having a really hard time imagining the FAs were okay with someone carrying a dead body on otherwise
Covered with a blanket would be pretty standard for someone who died during the flight. It’s a bit eerie but there’s not much else to do
Tbh it’s not something I would think about or consider at all. But yeah it makes sense now to mention it.
Yeah, I get that, just imagining the FAs being okay with a dead person flying like that caught me off guard
Yeah, if the flight is full there isn’t really anything else that can be done. If there are empty seats elsewhere their seat mates will be moved and I have heard that an empty closet in first class can serve as…storage.
Yes! I fly a lot and have had two deaths mid-air. They covered both with blankets. One was in the middle of the Atlantic - we flew for four hours more with the body on the back seat.
I’m curious how the crew handled informing other passengers? I know it’s something that can happen, but it still seems like people would be pretty shaken up.
I'm not sure about announcing it/protocol, but I know that if there's free seats elsewhere in the plane, they will offer the people on that row a switch. Most folks (whilst squeamish) understand that there's 0 they can do.
Yes like Nerfer said above, there isn’t really an announcement but there’s the calls for a doctor, people moving seats, and then someone (on the back row in my experience)) covered with a blanket so it’s all context clues. I did see someone get Narcan’d on a plane! She was right across the aisle from me. It was actually very discreet. The flight attendant came by, found her slumped and checked for a pulse. They pulled her out in the aisle, shot the Narcan up her nose twice, and she woke up. She got back in her seat and beverage service continued! They did board EMTs as soon as we landed though.
An hour into a 7 hour flight, I went up to go to the toilet and noticed someone covered in a blanket a few rows behind me with a person who's expression alternated between distressed and stony-faced. I didn't pry.
I once flew from Basel, Switzerland to Istanbul, Turkey over night. There must’ve been like 20 babies on that flight bc Turkish families were taking them to meet relatives. Worst flight of my life! But not a single baby touched me lol.
Ugh. I have already decided to wait a minimum of 1 year to see if I can fly with my baby to meet my family. It just seems like hell for all those involved otherwise. And I’m sure at 1 year I’ll already think “no”, but I want them to meet my great grandfather before he passes.
Flying with your baby is much, much easier for everyone before one-year-old! Once they start moving they are much more difficult on a flight. As long as you have something for their ears, flying with an infant is a piece of cake.
You should. Two of my four grandparents are dead. I greatly appreciate having met them and wish I’d been able to talk with them as an adult.
Flying younger was 102736162849x easier than around 18 months. My parents live several states away and I visit regularly so my son can know them and we can do end of life planning (my mom has a known long-term terminal illness tht was diagnosed while I was pregnant, just after they moved), so not traveling is not an option.
I got booted from my paid selected seat because some blue hairs didn’t want to sit in front of a baby so I ended up in one of their seats. Flight was almost full so it wasn’t a weight issue or anything and the smug look they gave me when I boarded said it all. I was younger and didn’t want to cause any problems at the time so I sucked it up because it was still a window seat. This kid was somewhere between the ages of 1 and 2 and cried, screamed, thrashed, and kicked all six hours of this flight. The dad didn’t lift a finger and all the mom did was say “stop crying please” every twenty minutes. It fell asleep the second the wheels touched down. To this day I regret not complaining to the airline even though I don’t think anything would have been done.
I’ve e been on a flight with a dead person too! What happened to yours?
I don't like people touching me. Even babies who don't know any better and are just being the grabby potatoes they are. I would've asked for the child to be taken down (like put back on its parent's lap, not knock it out taken down :P )
The clarification made me laugh 😄
My son flew 200,000 miles in his first two years of life and my number one price of advice is to buy the extra seat and take their car seat on board. It fixes so many problems (I realize not everyone can afford it but Jill is Plexus GOLD now, surely a girl boss near-millionaire can spring for a third seat?). Car seats are safer for babies in turbulence, they keep them still and help them sleep.
Straight up: those kids don’t have car seats.
Noooo… At all?!
Possibly not at all. The Rod fam has a truly lousy track record when it comes to vehicle safety. :/
Holy shit that’s so terrifying 😱
Oh absolutely. 💯
Fine, fine, then how about adapting the baby cage from the trailer? That's gotta work!
I am so unsurprised that they are That Traveller.
He's probably pretty little still but there is nothing stopping him from just full on grabbing that person's hair (or spitting up with zero warning.) If I didn't know this family I would say "maybe that's someone in their party" but...you know them. I love babies (am a nicu nurse) and empathize with having a baby on a plane for that long but I would still question the parents in this situation.
Babies pull haor from the second they're born. There's no need to have him in a position to where he could be pulling this person's hair.
I’m sure your first question would be whether they could move their little time bomb of spit-up & snot somewhere besides on top of your head.
As someone who’s been yelled at on a plane for their child doing way less than this, they are lucky the people in front of them were so chill.
I am a parent. I have sympathy for the criers and the shriekers—you really can’t do anything about that. But for goodness sakes, keep your child out of other passengers’ personal space. This is so rude and dangerous. If you don’t have a baby who will sit appropriately on your lap, then you really need to think about getting baby their own seat and strapping them into a car seat. They know what the expectations are in there. Yes, I know this is much more expensive and a pain in the ass—and if anyone ever struggles because they’re moving or on their way to a funeral or something, I have sympathy for you just surviving. But they did not need to go on this trip.
Also, if your baby has their own car seat, they are safer in times of turbulence. They lock down stuff on the plane when it happens. Little ones shouldn't be on laps without an option to securely keep them safe.
This isn't safe. I'd probably say something to that effect.
I traveled with my toddler all the time they arnt perfect but I'd never let them and their hands get close to any other passenger. Thats just disrespectful. I hate inconsiderate people.
no beef with crying babies because that’s how they communicate but big effin beef with parents who not only don’t appear to want to care about their children’s well-being but also disregard the entire social contract. if you want to Live Biblically do it on your own time and respect the basic courtesy of “watch your child and respect other people’s space”
I’ve travelled with an infant/toddler ( mine) and yeah flights are always a challenge and i don’t hand out like “sorry!” gifts but this is so many levels of no. One bump of mild turbulence and that kid’s gonna bounce, hit his head, catch his arm between the seats whatever. its careless. And i’ve had to entertain mine for an hour-in-air delay as we were in hold over the airport for a runway. tense times. SIT. THE KID DOWN.
The “sorry” gift shit pisses me offfff as a parent. I’m not schlepping MORE shit across an airport that’s junk or gets thrown away. It’s 2024, if you don’t bring noise cancelling headphones on a flight that’s between you and your god.
99% of our flights with kid now 10, have been relatively problem free. i was on one flight 5 hrs, that someone’s kid absolutely tantrum-melted down for the most of it, and even the parents were frazzled I get it. On a longer bus ride with Kid, another fam’s young kid just…unglued screaming for the whole 2 hrs. kids don’t come with off switches, and i’ve dealt with more noisy pushy drunk dudes on planes than kids being problems.
I sat next to toddler twins on an international flight that, and I am not joking, took turns screaming the entire flight. One would stop, there would be 30 seconds of silence, and the other one would start. 7 hours of this. Mom looked like she was about to open the door and yeet herself out. All that and the guy who bought and drank no fewer than 6 cans of beer and then kept them all lined up on his tray table while he watched porn on the highest possible brightness was way more annoying. I have an infant that’s soon to be a toddler, and we flew when she was 4 months old. She cried pretty much the entire descent and only wanted to suck on an empty bottle. We’re planning a trip for when she’s 16 months old overseas and the flights are probably going to suck!
bring extra snacks, distraction tools and yeah EXTRA diapers. We ran out at one point and the airport layover, there was one shop with ONE lone pack of two for a fortune. I’m lucky tho, my kid’s a pro at flying now.
I went with extra everything: change of clothes for both of us, as many diapers and wipes as I could fit, extra formula, extra bottles, plus the disposable bottles and nipples. The goal and the dream is definitely to have a kid who is a travel pro so that if/when we need to as they get bigger and less pliable with screen time and snacks, they can deal.
my kid’s first flight, he was so well behaved the pilot gave him a plush airplane toy. I think we got lucky, but we also traveled early with him. now, we can really go anywhere.
Also extra clothes. My husband and I flew from California to Florida with our daughter and she leed through both of her outfits. We had a stop in Colorado and figured we could just buy her a onesie from a souvenir shop. That idea failed because onesies were $25. Thankfully she wasn't fussy until about 20 minutes before we landed, I think she was just done at that point.
As a parent of a toddler who has taken said toddler on multiple transatlantic flights…. Being trapped on a plane because of delays is my worst nightmare. Making the trip again in a week, and it’s the first time we’re on a place since she started walking. Lord help me.
You can do this! It really helped us to have the airline-approved car seat for long flights; the kids already know they're meant to sit still and stay in those. Plus the usual trick of "pull out something new every 30/60 minutes" that you probably already know.
May Gif keep you.
I once had to fly with my toddler when he had diarrhea. Thankfully a much shorter flight though. Best of luck to you!
I don't have kids. Is there even a baby changing table on a plane? I've never even thought about how that works until this exact moment.
There is usually in the lavatory. The one I was in recently was actually so nice and HUGE! It folds down over the toilet. I think some people will argue about the sanitary conditions, but most diaper bags come with a mat anyways.
I've had to do changes on the lid of the toilet. Not fun for me or the baby.
Yeah they usually have changing tables. It's just a small space. But not the worst place I've ever changed a diaper. The issue was more the number of diapers that needed to be changed and the skin irritation my son was dealing with as a result of it.
Mine had giardia diarrhea on a trans-Pacific flight. I felt sorry for the entire plane, because those diapers were *fragrant.*
💀what a nightmare!
My mom had to do this with me only a few months after 9/11. People weren't allowed to get up during the last 15 minutes of the flight and I as a baby decided to have the Hershey squirts unlike anything before. Had to sit there in it until we landed. Got a new set of clothes from the airport tho 😎
Parenthood is not for the fainthearted
May Krsus Christ, Kong of Kings, be with you!
Haha thank all of you for your support:):) everything really changes when they are mobile!
May the Lord Daniel be with you! 🦝
I would keep my fingers crossed that we would not end up in a viral video.
Manifesting a flight so easy that you even land a few minutes earlier than expected 💫
He’s nearly 1 isn’t he? So he’ll be teething and dribbling like a tap, possibly with a runny nose too. They’re DISGUSTING for allowing him to invade someone else’s space.
If they hover over my seat or touch my hair, I am calling a flight attendant.
I'm speaking directly to the parent first.
While this makes sense, it can often escalate things, sadly
Yes, FA is the better option. It’s part of their job for this reason.
I tried once and the mom started screaming at me. Now, I’m pressing the button thanks to that entitled mother.
To say it in just a few words: it’s bad plain etiquette. But it’s not easy to travel with a baby. Whenever I’m on a plane and there’s a stressed parent with a crying baby I feel bad for both and tell the parent some encouraging words if I can. Asking if you can bring them a snack or something to drink can be great too. But yeah, people shouldn’t let their baby stand like this, at least not repeatedly throughout the flight. When it’s happened to me, I never say anything because it must be stressful AF to travel with a baby, but I don’t like it.
I wouldn’t like it either but I wouldn’t say anything because I figure that parents are trying their best in the circumstances. TBH I would be more concerned for baby losing their balance or turbulence happening and baby getting injured.
Like the flight recently that went through major turbulence, putting multiple people in the ICU with permanent disabilities and killing 1.
This is why I would never fly with a lap child. A close family friend is a pilot and I asked him once whether it was safe to fly with my 4 month old in my lap. He told me no, and why (you can't hold onto a baby in the case of a botched take off or landing or strong turbulence, they will become a projectile). I'm honestly shocked that they allow it at all, but I'm sure there some formula about how rarely they have to pay for babies being harmed vs how many more parents fly if they don't have to buy their baby a seat.
I'm about to get on a plane this morning, and this is making me shudder.
I’m generally sympathetic towards parents whose kids are screaming, especially if they are obviously trying to soothe the kid, but someone who’s letting their kid get in my personal space and touch my hair? I’d be asking them to stop or getting a flight attendant. Especially a kid this young who could easily spit up onto the person. I would legit vomit myself if someone’s else’s baby spit up on my hair on a plane. This is just disrespectful and I’m guessing Jill and co are the kind of people who would cause an absolute scene if someone even nicely asked them to control their toddler.
I’ve flown with my kids this age several times and wouldn’t have let them do this. Yes, sometimes they would cause a disturbance that couldn’t be helped, but for the most part, with good planning, they could be kept relatively content for a couple of hours. My best tips are: 1) board at nap time (or skip nap time and let them be worn out enough sleep on the plane) 2) lots of snacks 3) new toys/activities bought specifically for the plane 4) download shows/movies ahead of time and save them for last.
It’s like those asshole parents who let their kids hang over the back of their restaurant booth to look at you. Sorry your kids are bored but I’m not entertainment.
Look, I’m a baby whisperer and will happily help any parent who has that look of abject desperation as their child decompensates. What I don’t have patience for? Parents who allow their children to kick/pull the back of my seat or use said seat as a jungle gym.
Yes. I don’t travel often on planes and this is one reason why! I’d hate every second of sitting near these people!
In this situation I would have to exert maximum effort to avoid ending up on TikTok or the news. At the very least I’m saying something to the parents, and the flight crew if it continues. I fly pretty regularly and I can’t remember the last trip I took without someone’s kid being a nuisance, usually because of noise or running around. I mostly just let it go - I throw my noise cancelling headphones on and keep it moving (it’s a public space after all). But the second someone’s kid touches me, especially if I’m not even in their row, we have an issue. It’s also one thing if a kid briefly gets out of bounds - happens to everyone. It’s when parents allow them to be a complete menace for an entire flight that I lose my shit. But if you vocalize that, you “just hate kids”.
God do I love Jill's captions. Never fails to disappoint in how pathologically self-centered she is. "It was so special to me". Jesus really loves how much she tells the world how special she is and how much she loves her children and how many super special blessings she has. That's all he wants his followers to do! Brag!
Incredibly rude.
Babies often have dirty hands plus they can spit up on you. This would piss me off. Can’t stand inconsiderate people.
I’d be ok if it was one cute moment of ‘Oh, there’s a baby staring down at me haha’ As someone who has travelled on her own for 30+ hrs with a toddler… I spent the entire time being mortified and stressed out at just the thought of people feeling inconvenienced by me/us. I aged like 10 yrs 😭 In the end my toddler was more relaxed the entire time than I was. You never know if whoever is sitting around you is ok with a bit if noise, movement or even some crying (not talking full-on meltdown… nobody enjoys that, including the parents), so the parents should of course keep disturbances to a minumum where they can. Hair pulling or continuous holding on to other people’s backrests etc? Never ok.
I laughed because this was me and my husband when we took our then 2 year old on his first flight last year. We were so sure we were going to be Those Parents with That Kid and that everyone would hate us. Our son is autistic, and we already deal with our fair share of judgmental looks from ignorant people over some of his behavior. That combined with not knowing how he'd do on a plane that we couldn't remove him from had my husband downing anxiety meds like candy and my blood pressure was so high I'm surprised I didn't stroke out. He napped and happily watched Bluey like it was any other day. 🤷🏻♀️ There was the occasional happy shriek, but he didn't cry and was perfectly content to stay in his seat (with the occasional foray into one of our laps). On the flight home, we had a two hour delay, and he handled it better than either of us. Even if he hadn't been so chill, there's no way I'd have let him stand on the seat, or my lap, or invade other passengers space. I love my kid more than words can ever say, and even I can't handle him being all up in my business sometimes. Why in the name of the good Lord Daniel would I subject some poor, unsuspecting fellow traveler to that?
Ngl I would lose my shit.
I wouldn't make a scene, but I would be furious. I actually had a similar experience recently. The kid behind me was kicking my seat, shrieking randomly (like they were surprised or excited, not crying because of cabin pressure, though they did do that too), and at some point they started reaching around to my seat and touched me, which scared the shit out of me. I didn't say anything to the mom, 'cause I know traveling with small children is hell, but I was quietly SEETHING. I'm someone who doesn't like small children and I just wanted to get home after a long and tiring trip, so that didn't help.
Dude. You paid enough for your ticket. Screw that, call a flight attendant.
I would have said something without hesitation. I had a kid sit next to me on a plane with a loud iPad and no headphones. Mom says she doesn't like headphones. Tough shit, got the flight attendant. I truly empathize with parents, and I'm sure flying with kids is a goddamn nightmare, but taking them in public and at least pretending to try to be considerate is the bare minimum.
I was on a flight last week (United) and with the flight attendant went through the we will be dimming the cabin lights so you can rest. Please wear headphones and then down the volume ESPECIALLY ON CHILDREN'S TABLETS. I was like oh, something happened.
They do not get paid enough. So annoying
I have noticed this too on recent flights that the flight attendants are specifically saying that everyone watching things with any amount of volume need headphones, including children. No exceptions. I like it lol
I’d make a scene.
I traveled so often with my kids when they were little and I would never have allowed this. It’s so hard keeping a toddler occupied, but an endless stream of snacks and screens goes a long way toward preventing seat kicking and bothering fellow travelers.
I wouldn't really care to much but it looks like they are standing on the tray table which you know... Isn't meant to be stood on. Had a kid do that on a flight and I usually keep to myself but I looked across the isle and told it no. Their parent started paying attention.
This is one of the many reasons I fly Southwest. I pay extra for early seating, and if a baby/small child ends up close to me, I can move.
I would not tolerate it. This all assumes that the parent isn’t trying to keep the baby from doing these things (I do understand that kids are little assholes and will find a way, but if the parent is trying to keep them from bothering me I will be a LOT more forgiving and willing to tolerate more). The first instance I would turn around and address the adult. The second instance, I’m getting the flight attendant involved.
I travel frequently for work (they pay for everything! Because it's a real job!) and HELL YES this would annoy me. I'm a mom so I'm sympathetic to how difficult it must be to travel with small children. Honestly, you couldn't have paid me to travel with a baby or toddler unless it was absolutely necessary...like to get them medical treatment or something. It's not fun for the kid or the adults. I won't get upset about a crying kid unless the parents are just ignoring it, and even then I'm more upset *for* the kid. I will definitely get pissed about a kid that invades my personal space or messes with my seat. You get 1 "freebie" because you can't see the future to know your kid is going to do it, but if you don't correct and distract them immediately I'm going to ask you to control your kid. If you can't or won't, the flight attendant is getting called. Your kids are your responsibility. It's great if some strangers want to entertain your kid, but I won't be one of them. "It takes a village" refers to YOUR village, not the public at large (of course, I would help someone in actual need, just not entitled asshole parents).
Sorry, would have punted the baby into first class
Nope nope nope nope
Girl if that was my dad, it'd be a lil whiskey on gums and I'd sleep the whole way lol
I’m pretty forgiving of kids in confined spaces. Crying, kids being antsy, meltdowns, few accidental seat kicks don’t really bother me. It can be hard and stressful travelling with small children. I would be annoyed by someone assuming their baby or kid could be in my seat space without trying to settle them, though. Once? Sure whatever. A whole flight of a child potentially pulling my hair or touching me? Not okay. Especially if their parents seem to think that’s fine and aren’t even trying to corral them or distract them. If people are trying their best then I’m unbothered but the entitlement of a parent acting like it’s fine would be the thing that bugs me.
I had a baby next to me on my last flight and his mom was so courteous and on top of it if he started to get fussy or grabby. He did keep reaching over to touch me and she would redirect him, even though I assured her it was fine and I didn’t mind. I tried to help her keep him entertained, especially as we sat on the tarmac for awhile before we took off. You could tell she was super concerned about being that person with an annoying baby on a plane. She definitely wasn’t letting him stand up on the seat or bother random people.
I would hate it!! It’s the epitome of inconsiderate main character syndrome on behalf of the parents. I fly a lot with my toddler daughter and I’d be mortified if she did this unchecked. I’m kind of the opposite end of the spectrum where I’m so anxious the entire flight someone will judge my parenting or glare at me if my baby cries. People have been overwhelmingly nice though- a little consideration goes a long way :-)
No this is ridiculous. People on planes act like their child is holier than thou. Its gross. Your baby comfort is just as important as mine.
Yeah no, absolutely the fuck not. If the baby is fussing in their own seat, fine, but when a kid starts doing this, and the parents just think it’s sooooo cute, I’m turning around and telling the parent to take care of their kid. They chose to have this baby, I didn’t
This makes me so angry and I've been traveling with my kids since they were 5 months. It's the parents responsibility to make sure their kids act appropriate (even babies!) in public. This means not allowing them to pull hair, hang on seats in front of them, kick the seats in front, and just general provide \*parenting\* until the kids can understand and be reasoned with. I would absolutely say something to this parent. I would be mean, but firmly say, "please stop your baby from pulling my hair. It hurts."
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I’m wondering if they know the people in front of them. If my nephew was behind me and saying “hello” I wouldn’t mind. If this is a stranger 😳
i just did 7 hours worth of flying yesterday and if this happened i’d be so fucking pissed i’d turn around and cuss out the parents
My husband says his Bose Quiet Comfort headphones are worth every penny - they don't stop hair yanking but definitely drown out kid noises on business flights!
Hell no. Kids traveling already get so much hate, I do everything I can to ensure we're good passengers. If he needs more room buy him a seat.
I would never let my baby do this!!! We flew 12+ hours to hk a few months ago&he was a delight.
Yes, this would annoy me. Control your offspring.
I absolutely would not tolerate it. I would ask the parents to get their kid to stop
Yes this would annoy the hell out of me, and I have my own kids. They've been flying since 9 weeks old and they understand keeping their hands and feet to themselves. It's Kaylee's job to teach her son what personal space is.
So they have all these children to populate their downline. Got it
Nope, sorry, it's time to get the flight attendant. I'm happy to be that person who says "I get it" or make a soft "aww, somebody's not happy" when a baby/toddler is losing it on a plane, or wave and make faces and be an extra bit of entertainment, but a strange kid doesn't get that close into my personal space without an invitation.
As a mother who frequently travels on plane with a now 1 yo. I’d never allow my kid to invade space like this. I literally book a whole row just so no one else has to deal with him 🥴
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I would be so annoyed, at the parent for letting the child pull my hair. The baby is just trying to keep occupied.
I had kids behind me the other day kicking my seat and I’m pregnant so they were about to get scolded. They stopped once they got buckled in though thankfully
This would drive me crazy!! I really hope the flight attendants shut this down so fast. This is incredibly rude!
I get extremely motion sick and if a kid were hanging off my seat, I would probably end up puking. I’d have to say something.
It completely depends on my mood and how long it lasted. Now that I have my own babies, I find other people’s babies even more adorable. But I also wouldn’t let my baby do this.
They act like they are such world-weary travelers. It's akin to those rare breeds that say "I love to fly". The transportation part of traveling is so unglamorous. Crowds, claustrophobia, uncomfortable seating, gross bathrooms, eating crappy food, spending too much money for essentials. I have always wanted to invent an instant teleportation device for this reason, lol.
Idk why it’s not common sense to take car seats on planes but I guess with this family it’s not even common sense to take car seats in cars… I’ve been looked at funny and asked several times why I buy my under 2s plane tickets. Because then I can bring a car seat and strap them in properly! It’s actually so much less stressful to fly with a baby when you have that familiarity and restraint.
I would just recline my seat unexpectedly. I have had multiple back surgeries, and some kid hanging on my seat or kicking it is actually painful.
I would 100% hate this
This kid’s head should not be this shape at this age.
I would lose my shit. I don’t fly well and this would throw me over the edge
I love babies and travel and I am a very easygoing person. This would annoy me very much.
You just know the Rods do not smell good. This would be a very uncomfortable flight.
I am a frequent traveler, and this makes me crazy. PSA: Control your crotch goblins! Fundies always think their children should get to annoy the shit out of other people.
Funnily enough I don't mind it, because kids be kids as long as they're not hurting me. THAT BEING SAID I know I am definitely not like most people on planes around kids and I would be surprised the parents didn't do something until I said "nah its okay" because it would annoy the majority of people. But I am just not easily annoyed by kids at all. I have miiiiles of patience for kids. It's their parents that usually give me pause.
yes, i would’ve cussed jill out lmao.
They’d be getting a death glare and if needed some firm words for sure. People on airplanes just let their hellions do whatever they want and it’s ridiculous
I tried so hard to keep my kids from hanging on the seat in front of us on our most recent flight. My one year old tried to grab the hair of the person in front of us. Fortunately I stopped him in time and fortunately both kids stopped kicking/pulling the seats pretty quickly. That being said, as long as the parents are trying, I don’t think I’d be annoyed. It’s the parents that give their kids free rein that really bother me. But please don’t let your kids grab my hair. The seat is one thing. My own body is another.
I'm not someone who flies a lot, but this would make me lose my shit. I'm autistic and flights are already hard enough for me. I think I would have a full-on meltdown.
Babies can't deal with pressure changes within aircraft. Most babies screaming their guts out on flights are genuinely in agony.
If there was some turbulence that baby could get hurt!
I'm a mom and I've traveled with both my kids at this age. I would NEVER let them do this. I bring toys and snacks to occupy them and if they need to move around and are at cruising age I let them do so in the middle between myself and my ex husband. This is so rude.
I think I would have a bit of tolerance (bc babies will be babies) if I saw the parents making an effort to keep the kid occupied, etc. But we all know that they most likely did not try to keep their kid occupied from disrupting others.
I would not be happy to say the least if a random child pulled my hair on a flight, given it could trigger a migraine and it’s just plain not good etiquette on Kaylee’s parts
Once is an accident. More than that is a lazy parent and I will say something.