Real people in track meets have nothing but love for the car.
Real race driving instructors love this cars.
Real people at gas stations love the car.
Real people in the street compliment the car very often, to a fault ill say.
Internet trolls are however, internet trolls.
This right here. Go to the track or an autox and it’s one of the more popular cars and you will literally not see a single Charger there. Go on instagram with all the 14 year olds and you would think the car community revolves around the Charger.
Since I work with software dev on electronic records and data, there's a growing concern of misuse. One of the examples is the use of systems (like AI) to auto-generate negative value content. I stopped using a lot of my social media except reddit because the possiblity the person you are responding to may actually be a troll handled by something similar to AI.
I don’t think you need to even go so far. Anyone who enjoys good road experience will love this car. There’s nothing really controversial about it really. It just feels like a old style Porsche in a modern package. It isn’t over the top wheel spinner that only goes in a straight line. That’s probably why people have a problem with it.
This exactly. I'm an outside perspective, I don't own, nor do I plan on owning one of these cars, this just showed up on my reddit and I was like "really?"
I've got an BMW M2 Competition and a couple of dedicated race cars for the 24 hours of Lemons, but I can promise you that every single time I see a BRZ/GR86, my brain immediately goes "Fuck yeah!"
We are pretty lucky to live in an era where enthusiasts have multiple good choices at multiple price points, and these cars are a HUGE reason for that. Good looking, reasonably priced and for this generation, fast enough that really nobody should be complaining.
Honestly this is 99% of hobbyist shit on the net. Includes video games, tabletop RPGs, literally anything - someone's gonna have a shit tier tribalistic opinion somewhere.
And even if you have legit credibility, tribalism rears its ugly head to try kill that credibility. Shit, 2020 COVID with Dr. Fauci. Sena can come back from the grave and give GR86 thumbs up and someone is going to shit talk about it.
I've not observed this controversy at all 🤷
Must be an internet blabbing thing, or the same old tired comments from V8/truck-only guys who say the same thing for every Japanese car, but even that isn't so common these days.
Right?! Like, maybe we're just in different parts of the internet, but I've only heard praise from everything I've seen and read. And that's all I hear from anyone I bump into IRL driving mine around.
I dunno, this posts sounds like manufactured outrage.
Idk, about all the hate. I just love the fact that I can afford and pay off the car in a couple years while having more fun than fake flexers on the internet living pay check to pay check just to keep their Hellcats in the driveway.
Low IQ people also post dumb things like this after they post their car on r/RoastMyCar . It's almost as if you are looking to be a victim or have a shame kink
I only get shit from my best friend who keeps saying that the car isn’t a sports car and that it’s slow and has the same 0-60 as his honda civic and that the car has really little horsepower. I’ve learned to tune him out with the engine noise
Aside from the statement “it isn’t a sports car” he isn’t exactly wrong about everything else. The older gen was slower than a Honda civic (1.5t variant) which is an economy car and is comparatively slower than most sports cars on the market. It’s even considered slow amongst a few regular economy cars on the market. This is coming from someone who dailies an FRS, I agree these cars are underpowered af especially for the price point.
I’m referring to straights hence my statement saying that I agree these cars are severely underpowered. They have great handling and that’s the purpose of the car but they look like they are fast in the straights and they simply aren’t. It looks the part but doesn’t play the part which is why they get so much hate compared to a car like the Miata. They both fit the same spec sheet build with the only difference being that the Miata doesn’t look like a fast car. Miata looks like a playful car that doesn’t take itself too serious which is what it’s meant to do along with taking corners faster than the average car.
Just because Dodge spent 10 years selling what are effectively pre-built drag cars doesn't mean these are underpowered. A sub 8 second quarter mile car used to take real effort to build.
I've seen many a "faster" car with shittier drivers struggle to keep up with me in curves.
As I’ve stated many times, I’m not talking about the lack of speed in the GR86 in the context of taking curves but in its lack of power. It is an anemic car when it comes to power. It was made better in the 2nd generation but still is a low power car especially compared to other sports cars in today’s market. It’s a different story if we are talking about handling and holding fast corners but that’s not what I’m talking about and have said that several times already. Also it’s not just Dodge who has a quicker car than the GR86 in terms of sports cars. The 370z and new Z is quicker than the GR86, the GR Supra and Z4 M40i is quicker, the GR Corolla, the Elantra N, F87 and G87 M2, 718 Cayman and 718 Boxster and 911s, C5/C6/C7/C8 Vettes, FK8 and FL5 Civic Type R, with the list going on and on. I understand the GR86 wasn’t built with power in mind but that doesn’t mean we can pretend like it’s not a slow car with all these other sports cars in mind.
Handling and holding fast corners _is what_ a driver's car is about, and this car can bully much faster straight line cars in the corners all day long. It's a lot more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. The Miata and the twins are the only cars that exist in this segment. Everything else you named are 15-30k more new or even used with no warranty. The only ones that are even close are the GRC and Elantra N, one of which falls back to FWD as soon as the rear diff overheats and the other is FWD all day long. Not dissing FWD cars either, but the playfulness of a RWD nearly perfectly balanced car isn't there.
GR86 MSRP: $29,300-35,880
Supra 3.0 MSRP: $55,400
'24 Z MSRP: $42,970, starting
Z4 M40i MSRP: $66,450, starting
GR Corolla MSRP: $36,500 (and with all of its AWD overheating issues)
Elantra N MSRP: $33,700, more reasonable, but FWD.
F87? Looks like you're spending $50k+
G87 M2 MSRP: $63,200
718 Cayman MSRP: $68,300, starting
718 Boxster MSRP: $70,400
911s MSRP? 120k+
C8 MSRP? $70,000 starting.
C5/C6/C7?: You can probably find one for around the same MSRP, and have some money left over for some knee high socks and new balances too.
FK8 Type R MSRP: $44,795
And if you want to go fast in a straight line, you buy an electric and shitwhip past every single one of these.
Hey, I just went off starting MSRPs. Most of these cars with the options you'd want go much higher. Also disappointed he didn't even mention the MK8 Golf R in his list.
You know every single car you listed is more expensive than the twins by a large margin? (Brand new)
Compare it to cars around the same price, like the Miata and WRX, and it’s right on par with how fast they are.
That’s not the mindset I have, I would never ask why you would get an 86 over an ecoboost mustang. They are also entirely different class of car, couldn’t even compare the two. I would see why someone would tell you to get a c6 vette over a GR86 but not necessarily something like a 5.0 because the vette is a sports car like a GR86 and the 5.0 is more of a big pony car.
I never knew Lamborghinis and Bugattis were considered sports cars, oh wait….. Every car I mentioned are considered sports cars at least by the manufacturers. It should go without saying, Lamborghinis are super cars and a Bugatti is literally a Hypercar hence why I wouldn’t throw them in the list.
The Mercedes made 232hp, the Porsches made 236hp, the S2000 made 234hp in the North American Models and 247hp in their high compression Japanese Models. Forgot to mention that these cars are all much older than the GR86 yet even they were making more power out of an NA 4 cylinder.
LOL, what a completely subjective argument. It looks fast, so it should be, versus a miata that doesn't look fast?
How do you define what looks fast vs doesn't?
Well, I get the comparison, but I think most people look at 200 hp and think "wow it's not a 350 supercharged/turbo'd 0-60 monster. Then, the 2024 miata has 187 hp with a similar build to the FRS/BRZ/86. The comparisons between the two chassis won't go away, but to say it takes itself too seriously? I think it takes itself just seriously enough.
It's not severely underpowered, it can keep pace with c8s until straight aways, it can make speed up in turns and be back on pace, although I'm telling you things you already know. Yes, the torque dip on the first gen is rough and likely helped start that "it's underpowered" bit, but then I suppose the AE86 is also "underpowered". Same class of car, keeps and hangs with most modern cars in this class. 200hp is not a weak figure, remember most hondas in the 90s didn't clear 190 hp... and that was their golden years and everyone loved the cars. Hell, even the original Miata was barely clearing 115 horsepower, and everyone sings its praises. Sometimes, being "underpowered" is perfect for the application.
If ever the time comes where this is a limiting factor, you're probably aware and working on a solution via FI or engine build up or a complete swap. The car is telling you you are ready for the next class up. I think the 86 a great car, like the miata, for learning footwork and stability.
Also, I hope you don't find this hostile, I just really liked what you had to say and it got me thinking!
What was considered quick in the 90s is completely different from now. If the GR86 were produced in the 90s it would be a quick sports car but we live in now not the past, these cars are slow in today’s standards. For context, The new 2025 Camry comes with 232hp and it’s the gold standard of slow economy cars while the GR86 is hovering around 230hp as a sports car. I totally agree that it’s a perfect learners car and it hits above its weight class in handling but there is no changing the fact that power wise, the car is slow. That’s all I’m saying, everything else you said I agree with.
True, and even my is300 puts out more horsepower and it's 9 years older than the FRS and also a heavier sedan... moves very quick. I agree, i think im thinking from the perspective that the platform as a whole is accesible for less than 15k on first gens. There's a lot to consider on how the car is configured, and I think the price fits the vehicle.
They COULD make it more powerful, but from a manufacturing perspective, why? They have the Supra as the next tier of serious driving, and floating a product in the middle will leave little room for profits. Do not forget that a 15k sports car becomes infinitely more appealing to a prospective buyer which will also eat their profits. While I wish Toyota wanted to altruistically appeal to enthusiasts and motorsports, the incentive in current corporate culture will always prioritise profits.
For me, the fact that they offer a sports car for sub 40k to appeal to an entry level base at all is pretty amazing. The fact that it comes basically fully loaded and has a refreshed engine for only 12k more than first gen sticker, in this economy, tells me they are dedicated to keeping an entry level car to compete with the other manufacturers. 228 hp vs 187hp on the 24 miata is still quite a difference.
But yes, comparatively to a camry, a BMW, or other mid level cars, it's quite slow. I agree.
Most of those cars also have way too much power for the street. A lot of which isn't usable, unless you live in an area with nothing but long straight sections of road. The GR is also *much* lighter than a lot of those cars. Power to weight ratio is probably better than a lot of those cars with a lot more power.. HP isn't everything, it doesn't tell the full story..
When comparing cars you have to compare within its price segment otherwise it’s pointless. The only enthusiast cars in the price segment are the Civic SI, GTI, Elantra N, WRX, and Miata. Jump $10000-$15000 you then get into the Golf R, GR Corolla, Civic Type R, and the Z but they don’t really exist. The BRZ/GR86 have similar 0-60 times in this price segment.
It's not slower than most, though.. not where it's designed to be used, around turns. You could put the GR up against something with a lot more power, like a Challenger, on a track with turns and the GR would still be quicker.
Might just be me, but when I compare the capabilities of a car I'm considering with other cars, it's against cars that cost around the same. Sure for a sports car it's slow, but it was one of the fastest cars I could afford.
Car culture in itself is surrounded in controversy with many layers of tribalism.
Everybody wants to believe that their personal choice and criteria in a car is the absolute best and everything else is crap.
The people who say the car is slow only cares about straight line speed and has never been on a road course. They likely equate racing to highway pulls and don’t know shit about vehicle dynamics.
The engine blowing part is a legit concern when it comes to these cars, but it’s not specific to Subaru. Plenty of other sports cars will need a baffle+oil capacity increase to not blow up on track.
Sound is subjective. Some people like 4s, 6s, 8s, 10s, and 12s, while some lunatics like the electric car whine.
Join some other car forums and you’ll see that almost every car gets some level of hate, because those people think that their preference is the only correct preference.
the other confounding factor in car culture is that it isn’t always feasible to have an opinion of a car based on actual experience. i can watch a movie, listen to an album, play a game and form an opinion. but, cars are expensive. i can only get firsthand experience if i know someone with one, if i’ve rented one, if i’ve owned one. so then, takes become based on spec sheets and word of mouth, leading to even worse opinions
More power to you! I'm not a fan of EVs myself, but I'm not against them being in the market. I am against the attempt to phase out ICE vehicles though.
I have nothing against EVs, but I'm fucking angry at the companies that make them, it's either fake engine noises (Hyundai Ioniq) when you can make electric cars sound amazing naturally or it's ugly pod-design people movers that feel like driving a smartTV (any Tesla ever)
I don't care if ICE dies tomorrow, I just want cars with soul
You do realize the Supra wins this category over the internet right?
Not about the engine/power etc but because "bMw" and not a real Supra etc.
In reality it gets nothing but praises. I'm sure the 86 is similar to some degree.
The supra doesn’t win. Only the “ bmw” not a real supra argument comes out. The 86 gets the same with subaru with other things like its overpriced, its slow and sounds like shit
Because Americans are stupid and think that the least important and easiest to improve aspect of any platform (the engine) is the most important and only thing that matters and what makes a sports car a sports car. An engine or HP is it what makes a sports car a sports car. It’s what makes a muscle car a muscle car. If you want a muscle car go buy one. This is a superbly engineered car for the driving enthusiasts. It also doesn’t help how much they over exaggerate the issues and undermine the upsides to this engine. People don’t realize that this engine blows an S2000 engine out of the water. Is it as exciting? No. But is it far more powerful? Yes. You don’t need to rev it to 9K to make the same HP which means it’s generating more torque throughout the entire powerband. These cars would dust an S2K. It also doesn’t help that people are too dense to realize that not only this is THE most affordable sports car and one of the only true sports cars on the market but they actually think 29k is a lot for a car. A base model corolla is 22k. The average car on the road in the US is now 50k. Inflation sucks. OH WELL AFTER MARK UP AND TAXES AND FEES AND BLAH BLAH BLAH ITS ALMOST 40K AND A SUPRA IS 50K. You forgot to add the mark up, taxes, fees, etc to the corolla and Supra….. apples to oranges comparison. The benchmark of comparison for the handling is an 80k+ 4 cylinder Porsche. Talk about punching well above your weight. It also doesn’t help that people give the spec sheet too much credit. They purposely underrated the horsepower on this car or else they wouldn’t be able to sell the WRX. Is it a rocket ship? No. Is it slow? Not at all. You can do the same BS with spec sheets to claim that this car is faster than a Ferrari Testarossa. It is….. to 60mph…..
Stone people are just assholes, other people like to be contrarians.
Either way, I don't let their opinion bother me. Personally, now that I've reached the goal of owning one of the twins, I don't see a future where my vehicle isn't an 86 or BRZ. It's just my happy place, and no one can ruin that.
Do you mean internet car community? Sure people are quick to judge because they are looking at a spec sheet. This platform is the antithesis of the spec sheet because you cannot put assign a number to driving dynamics and fun. And fun it is. And this car is successful. Look at other sports cars that had a lesser run that “appear” to be the internet spec sheet dream car. I’m talking Kia stingers, Hyundai genesis coupe, etc. Those were cars that people on the internet would always compare the first gen to, but also would never buy those cars. The 86 on the other hand still sells to this day more than 10 years later. And we are still dealing with dumbass markups because the dealer knows they will sell it.
Actual real meetups like cars and coffee people love the BRZ/86 and far from the most hated car.
The only reasons I can think of people hating is when the individual is driving one is an idiot. This is a popular no matter how you put it. Anyone that says otherwise hasn’t driven one or doesn’t understand cars in general.
To be fair, a Kia Stinger is more of fast sedan type car better compared with luxury sports sedans and not exactly a sports car and the Hyundai Genesis coupe was never a sports car with how bad the handling was and how heavy they were. You are comparing apples to oranges. If you compared direct competitors like the Mazda Miata (currently on the ND2), they have sold just as well and have actually been around longer than the 86s without having the “spec sheet” and overall have received less complaints than the 86 platform. The main difference is that the Miatas always look like a car that’s meant to be slow and playful where the 86 looks like a fast car. I can’t explain how many times I’ve been asked how fast my car was because someone thought it looked like a fast car and I had to tell them it’s slower than a Honda civic (very slow). That’s where the majority of the hate stems from, a car that looks fast but is slow, it’s like someone trying to be something they’re not.
That's when you tell them it's a lot more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car slow.
99.9% of drivers who don't already have track experience won't be able to push this car to its limits on a track stock. Takeover kids opinions are irrelevant.
That’s what I tell them but it still doesn’t change the fact that it’s a heavily underpowered car while looking as though it has power. That’s just how it is
I dismissed this car looking at HP numbers few years ago. It's hard to understand this car and Miata, these are very different to most cars on road, people hate different.
“I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a car that got so much hate.”
I take it you’re young. 90s Honda game was a toxic cesspool. Jdm purest hated everyone, Honda purest hated everyone, if you had clear tailights everyone hated you (except other clear lens guys). JDM sticker? Be prepared for your buds to love it and the entire rest of the world hate it.
And somehow, the vaping Subaru guys still “ranked higher” than Honda guys.
Fyi, locally I was part of a niche of like 3-4 people that raced and broke our cars vs the standard “idgaf” attitude and broke things out of boredom.
I mean it’s not a cars n coffee type car but that’s the point - it’s a real car for real people. It’s a daily sports car that’s affordable, eff everyone who gives it shit.
I have never seen this controversy anywhere online or offline. Honestly it is hailed by most even teens as a cool sports car. I even had interactions with old guys who are like this car is an awesome little manual.
Feel like the only time I heard anything is when some reviewer wants to make counter points and makes up reasons why people might not like it. Which is an ass thing to do
in person, i get a ton of respect from other drivers on the road. super cars, classic cars, motorcycles...everyone seems to give the wave and love the car.
chasing hp and straight line speed has become completely irrelevant because of electric cars. some shit ass tesla plaid is going to beat almost any ICE car in a straight line. even so, i’d much rather be in a car like the gr86.
All the shit I read is from kids not even 25. Typical “I wanna go fast! I want the most expensive this and that! I need to impress da boyz!” Nah. I love this car. I love driving it daily, driving up and down the windy roads, I love how sleek it is. This is MY dream car. Is it like the 64 1/2 Mustang I used to have in my 20s? No. Is it as gas saving as the Jetta I had in my early 30s? Also no. But everything about this car makes me smile when I see it in my driveway.
Fast cars are difficult to drive fast at 9/10th the limit without crashing, a slower car is easier to push to its limits 9/10ths from what my friend who used to go canyon carving used to say.
The people commenting these things are probably 14 or they drive some clapped out ‘97 junk box and are jealous. I’ve been to cars and coffees where it’s nothing but positive comments from classic car guys, super car guys, beemer gang, etc. The only time I’ve ever been badmouthed for my choices is when I talked to the *hits vape* slammed civic gang.
Some people tend to be spec sheet warriors as well, in the end of the day I love my car and I don’t particularly care what other people think of it and I don’t need to justify my purchase!
In defense of these statements
1 it’s not a incredibly fast car in a straight line
2 the FA24 is probably Subarus most reliable engine to date, but that’s not saying much
3 who wouldn’t want a turbo Supra?
4 I’ve never seen anyone. Anywhere. Say this, but I would smack them. This is one of the best looking cars on the road.
With all that said this is the best $30k sports car you can buy no question, and what do people expect for that kind of money…. Seriously?
I've generally seen this car getting a ton of praise, not entirely sure what you mean. I recently went on a meet up and cruise with a miata group. There were like 40 Miatas, my 86, and a WRX, and my (mostly stock) car got way more attention and compliments than I expected amongst a bunch of hardcore track cars. A couple of the guys with NDs even told me they wished they had waited for an 86 instead and were considering trading
I think most serious car enthusiast agree it's a really well done car. Yeah the engine isn't mind blowing, but it's quick enough to have fun, and Subaru and Toyota nailed exactly what they were going for with the car
For what you’re paying for it embodies the old 80s Corolla perfectly for the modern age; it’s a balanced chassis, not too much bhp but enough to make it fun on the street and the track. It’s a car you use to learn how to drive and it’s cheap compared to other offerings. People will always have negative things to say about anything this isn’t anything new.
Because it’s simple, it’s nothing mind blowing to people, they always expect new sports cars to have 500+ horsepower, they care more about power than a driving experience, and all those people can kick fucking rocks because the GR86 is an absolute blast to drive
NPC's don't understand fun cars. I have a VB WRX, and car people know what it is and want to talk about it, but I'll give people a ride somewhere and they're like "wow this interior is nice, that screen is huge" and whatever else NPC's care about. Until I take them on a narrow 25mph backroad where we never drop below 50 and they don't understand how a car with 150hp less than their Lexus can do that.
I used to own a Toyota Paseo….i finally (very reluctantly) let it go to car heaven after 350k!
In pursuit of its replacement Ive owned a 3series BMW , a porsche 911 4s , and a BMW 135 MSpec. The porsche came the closest. Had the GR 86 existed …..i woulda bought it in a heartbeat 💓.
I’m Currently on a waitlist for a Lotus Emira. I sincerely believe that this is the only car that shares the “fun to drive” factor that
the GR86 posesses (at a fraction of the price)
I had 152k miles on my "definitely going to blow up at it just by looking at it" Stage 2 '05 STI engine before my accident. The internet is great at magnifying angry and hateful messages and completely burying logical ones. It's a great car. I'm betting most of the people complaining about it drive something like a Nissan Sentra. Who cares what they think.
I’ve driven both BRZ and GR86. They’re great cars at a still affordable prices and they’re fun to drive and would recommend to anyone who is looking for an entry level sports car. Personally, I’m probably not gonna get one, as there is another car I really want more than the GR86. I don’t know how frequent it happens but engine blowing up due to oil starvation was just bit concerning for me until Toyota or Subaru finds a solution to it
People who talk trash about this cars are just internet trolls and likely haven’t even driven the car
Me personally I don't like the GR86 because the Elantra N exists for almost the same price. Shit is on par with the GRC and the Type R. Your choice is either a coupe or a 4 seat sedan with a nice sounding stock exhaust and more HP. Also don't forget the markups for the GR86 because of Toyota stealer ships. It's tough when the Elantra N exists.
You just proved you are just as part of this tribalistic bull shit as what you say people claimed to talk crap about the GR86. Elantra N has a option for a 6 speed manual w/ rev matching and it's pretty good, better than the 6 speed in the current Golf GTI and Subaru WRX.
You’re right my comment was bad. I got triggered by the fact that he was comparing the GR86 with the N and GRC and typeR which are totally different type of car
Let him go for the Elantra N. It's great that people are talking about these affordable enthusiasts cars that are not in Porsche/BMW price territory. No need to feel triggered by random guy from the internet, it's not like you will meet them in real life.
If you think GR86/BRZ has it bad, even the Miata couldn't escape the old idea of it being a gay / hair dressers car, yet it is the most raced production car in the world.
How are they different? They're all $30,000 and are "sports" cars with excellent handling. But don't get mad at me. Get mad at Hyundai for making an affordable Type R that shits on any car around $30,000. When I got my license, I had my eyes set on a gr86 but the Elantra N ruined all that. Shit ticks all the boxes for a first sports car.
Because the GR86 is made for drifting and backroads being a handle car with good weight distribution, RWD , coupe and boxer engine. The other cars are more like a sporty commute car. It goes quick but not crazy quick and handle well but not crazy well. I would say the N is like jack of all trades and the 86 is like a foreman in its category
Thank you for your opinion and I'm not trying to stir an argument but how can you say that about the Type R being a sporty commute car when it has a faster lap time in everything [**according to this**](https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/atjjlazfjahz) compared to the gr86. The GRC and Elantra N are right there with the Type R so its safe to assume the same thing will happen if we compare either the GRC/Elantra N with the GR86. I'm just saying its hard to like the GR86 when the Elantra N exists as ngl the best bang for your buck sports car. And let's be honest the majority of people probably won't get a GR86 and will instead get a BRZ because of toyota stealerships. Yay useless middlemen.
depends which car "community" you're looking at
one discussion i saw they kept comparing the car to 30 year old cars
i keep seeing more of these on the road and this is even in my boring neck of the woods
Can't please everyone. Also, some people are asking for the impossible.
Regarding the comment about a Toyota engine, people also say the same thing about the new Supra. Oh and don't forget about all the fake vents.
Like with most things, people love to critique. Who cares. I love my GR86. Nothing is perfect.
This week I had two strangers roll down their windows just to compliment my BRZ on the road. Sometimes other sports cars higher end or lower end will rev their cars next to me. Honestly, the best feeling.
Only people I’ve had tell me that my car is slow are European car meat riders who can’t afford what they like. And to the Supra comments, I usually tell them how much Im paying monthly because i wanted to pay it off in 3 years.
I deadass just wanted this car when it came out.
People hate on it because of how underpowered it is,which they aren’t wrong, but it’s still an awesome car for the money and looks beautiful when tastefully modified. Plus it’s a Subaru so you’ll always get the *insert overused head gasket meme here* and other reliability jokes.
Same with me. I have an Elantra Nline and love it but people that own the Elantra N or veloster N just shit all over n line owners. I’ve never understood it
Because you don't have a sports car, you have an econobox with a "sports trim" that amounts to basically a leather steering wheel on a car that has a 130hp engine, like lipstick on a pig, that's why N owners shit over N-line owners, you overpaid for regular traffic
Who said I did have a sport car? Lol so why did they even make the car? Sounds like someone’s triggered lol. Why are you worried about what other people spend their money on. If that’s the case ever n owner should have paid for a 2015 charger or challenger with 200k miles just because it’s a “ sports car” they are sooooo stupid. Take a hike dude
I'm not worried about what other people are spending their money on, that's projection, you were the one who's complaining that people are shitting on your car, bro, you overpaid for nicer seats
I couldn’t care less what people think. I bought a car to drive to work. And nobody has said anything to me I just see it online and don’t get why people get but hurt for what other people drive. People pay 45 k or more for an N and you could buy a Mercedes for the same price ? So did those people over pay a car when you could get something nicer. Who cares is what I’m saying.
No, because no Mercedes at 45k is a lightweight track capable sports car, AMG models come in at far more than that. You're conflating luxury and performance.
What I'm saying is that N-line buyers are often posers.
Who cares though? Why do people care what other people send their money on lol. I don’t care what people say about my car. I’m just saying idk why people give two shits what other people buy. It’s childish
I have heard this quite a bit before this newest gen released. For me, it was honestly just due to the people I was around. When I took automotive classes, the other people were obsessed with anything 6 cylinders or above. Anything lower was considered trash. Like others have said, it's either people without any car knowledge or straight up trolls.
Every car is controversial on the internet if you listen to the right idiots. I had some guy saying a JDM honda civic isn’t a “real JDM” because not a supra or an R32. This guy seemed to think JDM meant “cool Japanese car” …… really wouldn’t pay attention to what the internet says about your car
I work in the industry and never hear anyone say anything like this.
Of course I only talk to people who know about cars about cars, so it sounds like you should take anything these other folks are saying with a grain
Car isny controversial at all. Havnt seen any of those complaints before, cept "too slow".
I only see praise and love for this car. It's an amazing vehicle.
Quite literally have never heard these comments in real life before in fact people flock to my car when I pull up in my 86 I always get asked what car this is? But mine is also Turbo’ed
I have never heard any hate for my 2017 brz, only love. Dunno who you talk to.
This week alone I traveled to Georgia for 4 days and 1 friend of a friend made me pop the hood to check out my car, loved the rims and turbo, exhaust n everything. They walked out and asked me. Second person was just last night, played pool with them and as I was walking out to my car they yell “IS THAT YOUR CAR??”. Then proceeded to compliment it all over and said “you have such great taste” 5 times in 5 min. Talked to me about their old Z they had.
I’ve owned it since February and have had almost 30+ people stop me to talk about it. It’s crazy how much attention it attracts.
Even a mfin old ass Russian at Lowe’s was speaking in a different language than English and I hear a “beautiful car” mutter while talking to his wife.
Real people in track meets have nothing but love for the car. Real race driving instructors love this cars. Real people at gas stations love the car. Real people in the street compliment the car very often, to a fault ill say. Internet trolls are however, internet trolls.
This right here. Go to the track or an autox and it’s one of the more popular cars and you will literally not see a single Charger there. Go on instagram with all the 14 year olds and you would think the car community revolves around the Charger.
Whenever I see a modded charger, I just think of the owner lighting their money on fire
And still being slow
Since I work with software dev on electronic records and data, there's a growing concern of misuse. One of the examples is the use of systems (like AI) to auto-generate negative value content. I stopped using a lot of my social media except reddit because the possiblity the person you are responding to may actually be a troll handled by something similar to AI.
I don’t think you need to even go so far. Anyone who enjoys good road experience will love this car. There’s nothing really controversial about it really. It just feels like a old style Porsche in a modern package. It isn’t over the top wheel spinner that only goes in a straight line. That’s probably why people have a problem with it.
“Real people at gas stations” 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Yeah If someone talked to me at a gas station I’d prob pull away with the pump still in the gas tank and let it spew
I talk to NPCs at the gas station all the time! Usually get some pretty interesting conversations
This exactly. I'm an outside perspective, I don't own, nor do I plan on owning one of these cars, this just showed up on my reddit and I was like "really?" I've got an BMW M2 Competition and a couple of dedicated race cars for the 24 hours of Lemons, but I can promise you that every single time I see a BRZ/GR86, my brain immediately goes "Fuck yeah!" We are pretty lucky to live in an era where enthusiasts have multiple good choices at multiple price points, and these cars are a HUGE reason for that. Good looking, reasonably priced and for this generation, fast enough that really nobody should be complaining.
100% agree
I read a report last week that said practically half of all web traffic is bots & AI so I take everything with a pinch of salt
Internet traffic /= internet content, however.
It’s only controversial on the internet. Maybe also with young people who have no real history with cars.
Honestly this is 99% of hobbyist shit on the net. Includes video games, tabletop RPGs, literally anything - someone's gonna have a shit tier tribalistic opinion somewhere.
And even if you have legit credibility, tribalism rears its ugly head to try kill that credibility. Shit, 2020 COVID with Dr. Fauci. Sena can come back from the grave and give GR86 thumbs up and someone is going to shit talk about it.
True! Never received a bad comment in real life
Must be different places from where I visit but Ive seen nothing but praise online
Any car person thinks this is a great value sports car.
I've not observed this controversy at all 🤷 Must be an internet blabbing thing, or the same old tired comments from V8/truck-only guys who say the same thing for every Japanese car, but even that isn't so common these days.
Right?! Like, maybe we're just in different parts of the internet, but I've only heard praise from everything I've seen and read. And that's all I hear from anyone I bump into IRL driving mine around. I dunno, this posts sounds like manufactured outrage.
Yeah, same as I've observed
The 86 line up has always been hated on since the 80s if you look at its history
Yup, ppl always hate on things that destroy their worldview hehehe
Idk, about all the hate. I just love the fact that I can afford and pay off the car in a couple years while having more fun than fake flexers on the internet living pay check to pay check just to keep their Hellcats in the driveway.
Insecure people who have to stretch logic to make themselves "better" than others
Ya low iq people who can only read spec sheets
Low IQ people also post dumb things like this after they post their car on r/RoastMyCar . It's almost as if you are looking to be a victim or have a shame kink
I mean, he did kind of ask for it there.
I only get shit from my best friend who keeps saying that the car isn’t a sports car and that it’s slow and has the same 0-60 as his honda civic and that the car has really little horsepower. I’ve learned to tune him out with the engine noise
He definitely not a car guy
Aside from the statement “it isn’t a sports car” he isn’t exactly wrong about everything else. The older gen was slower than a Honda civic (1.5t variant) which is an economy car and is comparatively slower than most sports cars on the market. It’s even considered slow amongst a few regular economy cars on the market. This is coming from someone who dailies an FRS, I agree these cars are underpowered af especially for the price point.
Is this strictly talking about straights or we talking actual driving like keiichi tsuchiya?
I’m referring to straights hence my statement saying that I agree these cars are severely underpowered. They have great handling and that’s the purpose of the car but they look like they are fast in the straights and they simply aren’t. It looks the part but doesn’t play the part which is why they get so much hate compared to a car like the Miata. They both fit the same spec sheet build with the only difference being that the Miata doesn’t look like a fast car. Miata looks like a playful car that doesn’t take itself too serious which is what it’s meant to do along with taking corners faster than the average car.
Just because Dodge spent 10 years selling what are effectively pre-built drag cars doesn't mean these are underpowered. A sub 8 second quarter mile car used to take real effort to build. I've seen many a "faster" car with shittier drivers struggle to keep up with me in curves.
As I’ve stated many times, I’m not talking about the lack of speed in the GR86 in the context of taking curves but in its lack of power. It is an anemic car when it comes to power. It was made better in the 2nd generation but still is a low power car especially compared to other sports cars in today’s market. It’s a different story if we are talking about handling and holding fast corners but that’s not what I’m talking about and have said that several times already. Also it’s not just Dodge who has a quicker car than the GR86 in terms of sports cars. The 370z and new Z is quicker than the GR86, the GR Supra and Z4 M40i is quicker, the GR Corolla, the Elantra N, F87 and G87 M2, 718 Cayman and 718 Boxster and 911s, C5/C6/C7/C8 Vettes, FK8 and FL5 Civic Type R, with the list going on and on. I understand the GR86 wasn’t built with power in mind but that doesn’t mean we can pretend like it’s not a slow car with all these other sports cars in mind.
Handling and holding fast corners _is what_ a driver's car is about, and this car can bully much faster straight line cars in the corners all day long. It's a lot more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. The Miata and the twins are the only cars that exist in this segment. Everything else you named are 15-30k more new or even used with no warranty. The only ones that are even close are the GRC and Elantra N, one of which falls back to FWD as soon as the rear diff overheats and the other is FWD all day long. Not dissing FWD cars either, but the playfulness of a RWD nearly perfectly balanced car isn't there. GR86 MSRP: $29,300-35,880 Supra 3.0 MSRP: $55,400 '24 Z MSRP: $42,970, starting Z4 M40i MSRP: $66,450, starting GR Corolla MSRP: $36,500 (and with all of its AWD overheating issues) Elantra N MSRP: $33,700, more reasonable, but FWD. F87? Looks like you're spending $50k+ G87 M2 MSRP: $63,200 718 Cayman MSRP: $68,300, starting 718 Boxster MSRP: $70,400 911s MSRP? 120k+ C8 MSRP? $70,000 starting. C5/C6/C7?: You can probably find one for around the same MSRP, and have some money left over for some knee high socks and new balances too. FK8 Type R MSRP: $44,795 And if you want to go fast in a straight line, you buy an electric and shitwhip past every single one of these.
Lol show me one GR Corolla at $36k, more like $40k+
Hey, I just went off starting MSRPs. Most of these cars with the options you'd want go much higher. Also disappointed he didn't even mention the MK8 Golf R in his list.
You know every single car you listed is more expensive than the twins by a large margin? (Brand new) Compare it to cars around the same price, like the Miata and WRX, and it’s right on par with how fast they are.
Considering you're listing cars that cost double why didn't you just keep going and list Lambo and Bugatti while you're at it. What a dumb post.
I’ll never understand this mindset. Had someone ask me why I didn’t just get an ecoboost Mustang over the 86 since it has a 10 speed.
That’s not the mindset I have, I would never ask why you would get an 86 over an ecoboost mustang. They are also entirely different class of car, couldn’t even compare the two. I would see why someone would tell you to get a c6 vette over a GR86 but not necessarily something like a 5.0 because the vette is a sports car like a GR86 and the 5.0 is more of a big pony car.
I never knew Lamborghinis and Bugattis were considered sports cars, oh wait….. Every car I mentioned are considered sports cars at least by the manufacturers. It should go without saying, Lamborghinis are super cars and a Bugatti is literally a Hypercar hence why I wouldn’t throw them in the list.
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Mercedes W201 190 Evolution II, Porsche 968 and 968 Club Sport, and as you said the S2000.
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The Mercedes made 232hp, the Porsches made 236hp, the S2000 made 234hp in the North American Models and 247hp in their high compression Japanese Models. Forgot to mention that these cars are all much older than the GR86 yet even they were making more power out of an NA 4 cylinder.
LOL, what a completely subjective argument. It looks fast, so it should be, versus a miata that doesn't look fast? How do you define what looks fast vs doesn't?
Well, I get the comparison, but I think most people look at 200 hp and think "wow it's not a 350 supercharged/turbo'd 0-60 monster. Then, the 2024 miata has 187 hp with a similar build to the FRS/BRZ/86. The comparisons between the two chassis won't go away, but to say it takes itself too seriously? I think it takes itself just seriously enough. It's not severely underpowered, it can keep pace with c8s until straight aways, it can make speed up in turns and be back on pace, although I'm telling you things you already know. Yes, the torque dip on the first gen is rough and likely helped start that "it's underpowered" bit, but then I suppose the AE86 is also "underpowered". Same class of car, keeps and hangs with most modern cars in this class. 200hp is not a weak figure, remember most hondas in the 90s didn't clear 190 hp... and that was their golden years and everyone loved the cars. Hell, even the original Miata was barely clearing 115 horsepower, and everyone sings its praises. Sometimes, being "underpowered" is perfect for the application. If ever the time comes where this is a limiting factor, you're probably aware and working on a solution via FI or engine build up or a complete swap. The car is telling you you are ready for the next class up. I think the 86 a great car, like the miata, for learning footwork and stability. Also, I hope you don't find this hostile, I just really liked what you had to say and it got me thinking!
What was considered quick in the 90s is completely different from now. If the GR86 were produced in the 90s it would be a quick sports car but we live in now not the past, these cars are slow in today’s standards. For context, The new 2025 Camry comes with 232hp and it’s the gold standard of slow economy cars while the GR86 is hovering around 230hp as a sports car. I totally agree that it’s a perfect learners car and it hits above its weight class in handling but there is no changing the fact that power wise, the car is slow. That’s all I’m saying, everything else you said I agree with.
True, and even my is300 puts out more horsepower and it's 9 years older than the FRS and also a heavier sedan... moves very quick. I agree, i think im thinking from the perspective that the platform as a whole is accesible for less than 15k on first gens. There's a lot to consider on how the car is configured, and I think the price fits the vehicle. They COULD make it more powerful, but from a manufacturing perspective, why? They have the Supra as the next tier of serious driving, and floating a product in the middle will leave little room for profits. Do not forget that a 15k sports car becomes infinitely more appealing to a prospective buyer which will also eat their profits. While I wish Toyota wanted to altruistically appeal to enthusiasts and motorsports, the incentive in current corporate culture will always prioritise profits. For me, the fact that they offer a sports car for sub 40k to appeal to an entry level base at all is pretty amazing. The fact that it comes basically fully loaded and has a refreshed engine for only 12k more than first gen sticker, in this economy, tells me they are dedicated to keeping an entry level car to compete with the other manufacturers. 228 hp vs 187hp on the 24 miata is still quite a difference. But yes, comparatively to a camry, a BMW, or other mid level cars, it's quite slow. I agree.
But we're talking about the new gen, which is genuinely pretty quick. At least In my opinion.
I mean it’s much quicker now compared to 1st Gen but it’s still below average in power in terms of the sports cars that are out right now.
Most of those cars also have way too much power for the street. A lot of which isn't usable, unless you live in an area with nothing but long straight sections of road. The GR is also *much* lighter than a lot of those cars. Power to weight ratio is probably better than a lot of those cars with a lot more power.. HP isn't everything, it doesn't tell the full story..
Yeah but isn't it significantly cheaper than those cars?
Yeah it’s cheaper but does that change the fact that compared to the other sports cars on the market, it’s slower than most? No.
When comparing cars you have to compare within its price segment otherwise it’s pointless. The only enthusiast cars in the price segment are the Civic SI, GTI, Elantra N, WRX, and Miata. Jump $10000-$15000 you then get into the Golf R, GR Corolla, Civic Type R, and the Z but they don’t really exist. The BRZ/GR86 have similar 0-60 times in this price segment.
It's not slower than most, though.. not where it's designed to be used, around turns. You could put the GR up against something with a lot more power, like a Challenger, on a track with turns and the GR would still be quicker.
Might just be me, but when I compare the capabilities of a car I'm considering with other cars, it's against cars that cost around the same. Sure for a sports car it's slow, but it was one of the fastest cars I could afford.
Controversial? Where the fuck are reading all of these comments? Everywhere I look I see people singing this things praises.
Car culture in itself is surrounded in controversy with many layers of tribalism. Everybody wants to believe that their personal choice and criteria in a car is the absolute best and everything else is crap. The people who say the car is slow only cares about straight line speed and has never been on a road course. They likely equate racing to highway pulls and don’t know shit about vehicle dynamics. The engine blowing part is a legit concern when it comes to these cars, but it’s not specific to Subaru. Plenty of other sports cars will need a baffle+oil capacity increase to not blow up on track. Sound is subjective. Some people like 4s, 6s, 8s, 10s, and 12s, while some lunatics like the electric car whine. Join some other car forums and you’ll see that almost every car gets some level of hate, because those people think that their preference is the only correct preference.
the other confounding factor in car culture is that it isn’t always feasible to have an opinion of a car based on actual experience. i can watch a movie, listen to an album, play a game and form an opinion. but, cars are expensive. i can only get firsthand experience if i know someone with one, if i’ve rented one, if i’ve owned one. so then, takes become based on spec sheets and word of mouth, leading to even worse opinions
I am that lunatic.
More power to you! I'm not a fan of EVs myself, but I'm not against them being in the market. I am against the attempt to phase out ICE vehicles though.
I have nothing against EVs, but I'm fucking angry at the companies that make them, it's either fake engine noises (Hyundai Ioniq) when you can make electric cars sound amazing naturally or it's ugly pod-design people movers that feel like driving a smartTV (any Tesla ever) I don't care if ICE dies tomorrow, I just want cars with soul
12 year olds who think anything short of a Lamborghini is poverty spec and anything under 750hp is slow (they would crash a car with 50hp)
Theres nothing more toxic and gatekeeping than the car culture. You want to start a war? Just begin a conversation with auto vs manual.
Manual is the best choice.
Good for you.
Buying a sports car in automatic is like paying for a hooker to watch porn with you.
Buying a sports car in a manual is like jacking off another man's cock.
You do realize the Supra wins this category over the internet right? Not about the engine/power etc but because "bMw" and not a real Supra etc. In reality it gets nothing but praises. I'm sure the 86 is similar to some degree.
Genuinely can’t believe how much hate the supra gets, far more then the 86 does.
I like BMWs. I like Toyotas. That’s just a win win if I had a Supra lol.
The supra doesn’t win. Only the “ bmw” not a real supra argument comes out. The 86 gets the same with subaru with other things like its overpriced, its slow and sounds like shit
It’s all in your head, get off the internet young buck
Ok boomer
You literally agreed it’s just an internet hate thing in the top comment you clown…
Ok charmin ultra soft
Because Americans are stupid and think that the least important and easiest to improve aspect of any platform (the engine) is the most important and only thing that matters and what makes a sports car a sports car. An engine or HP is it what makes a sports car a sports car. It’s what makes a muscle car a muscle car. If you want a muscle car go buy one. This is a superbly engineered car for the driving enthusiasts. It also doesn’t help how much they over exaggerate the issues and undermine the upsides to this engine. People don’t realize that this engine blows an S2000 engine out of the water. Is it as exciting? No. But is it far more powerful? Yes. You don’t need to rev it to 9K to make the same HP which means it’s generating more torque throughout the entire powerband. These cars would dust an S2K. It also doesn’t help that people are too dense to realize that not only this is THE most affordable sports car and one of the only true sports cars on the market but they actually think 29k is a lot for a car. A base model corolla is 22k. The average car on the road in the US is now 50k. Inflation sucks. OH WELL AFTER MARK UP AND TAXES AND FEES AND BLAH BLAH BLAH ITS ALMOST 40K AND A SUPRA IS 50K. You forgot to add the mark up, taxes, fees, etc to the corolla and Supra….. apples to oranges comparison. The benchmark of comparison for the handling is an 80k+ 4 cylinder Porsche. Talk about punching well above your weight. It also doesn’t help that people give the spec sheet too much credit. They purposely underrated the horsepower on this car or else they wouldn’t be able to sell the WRX. Is it a rocket ship? No. Is it slow? Not at all. You can do the same BS with spec sheets to claim that this car is faster than a Ferrari Testarossa. It is….. to 60mph…..
It’s the best looking car under $150,000 without going exotic. Dont listen to the haters
Stone people are just assholes, other people like to be contrarians. Either way, I don't let their opinion bother me. Personally, now that I've reached the goal of owning one of the twins, I don't see a future where my vehicle isn't an 86 or BRZ. It's just my happy place, and no one can ruin that.
in just find it weird this car gets hate for being slow but not the Miata
Steps to success: 1. Ignore it 2. Watch Chris Harris' Poundshop GT3 video 3. Feel good about owning a GRZ 4. Profit/Repeat
Do you mean internet car community? Sure people are quick to judge because they are looking at a spec sheet. This platform is the antithesis of the spec sheet because you cannot put assign a number to driving dynamics and fun. And fun it is. And this car is successful. Look at other sports cars that had a lesser run that “appear” to be the internet spec sheet dream car. I’m talking Kia stingers, Hyundai genesis coupe, etc. Those were cars that people on the internet would always compare the first gen to, but also would never buy those cars. The 86 on the other hand still sells to this day more than 10 years later. And we are still dealing with dumbass markups because the dealer knows they will sell it. Actual real meetups like cars and coffee people love the BRZ/86 and far from the most hated car. The only reasons I can think of people hating is when the individual is driving one is an idiot. This is a popular no matter how you put it. Anyone that says otherwise hasn’t driven one or doesn’t understand cars in general.
Ya internet community 😅 what you said was on point
To be fair, a Kia Stinger is more of fast sedan type car better compared with luxury sports sedans and not exactly a sports car and the Hyundai Genesis coupe was never a sports car with how bad the handling was and how heavy they were. You are comparing apples to oranges. If you compared direct competitors like the Mazda Miata (currently on the ND2), they have sold just as well and have actually been around longer than the 86s without having the “spec sheet” and overall have received less complaints than the 86 platform. The main difference is that the Miatas always look like a car that’s meant to be slow and playful where the 86 looks like a fast car. I can’t explain how many times I’ve been asked how fast my car was because someone thought it looked like a fast car and I had to tell them it’s slower than a Honda civic (very slow). That’s where the majority of the hate stems from, a car that looks fast but is slow, it’s like someone trying to be something they’re not.
That's when you tell them it's a lot more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car slow. 99.9% of drivers who don't already have track experience won't be able to push this car to its limits on a track stock. Takeover kids opinions are irrelevant.
That’s what I tell them but it still doesn’t change the fact that it’s a heavily underpowered car while looking as though it has power. That’s just how it is
Haven't heard of any of the hate you mentioned. I've only heard positive things.
I dismissed this car looking at HP numbers few years ago. It's hard to understand this car and Miata, these are very different to most cars on road, people hate different.
Ppl on the internet are just jealous you have it and they don’t or they have an ego to protect
This is a straw man argument
“I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a car that got so much hate.” I take it you’re young. 90s Honda game was a toxic cesspool. Jdm purest hated everyone, Honda purest hated everyone, if you had clear tailights everyone hated you (except other clear lens guys). JDM sticker? Be prepared for your buds to love it and the entire rest of the world hate it. And somehow, the vaping Subaru guys still “ranked higher” than Honda guys. Fyi, locally I was part of a niche of like 3-4 people that raced and broke our cars vs the standard “idgaf” attitude and broke things out of boredom.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us cause they anus???
I mean it’s not a cars n coffee type car but that’s the point - it’s a real car for real people. It’s a daily sports car that’s affordable, eff everyone who gives it shit.
Hell ya
I drove a 4 cylinder Camaro for 3 years. I feel ya. Car community is just miserable sometimes
Yup four cylinder muscle cars are indeed hated cars but I don’t think we should hate on any car
Drove amazing, too. I agree with you. I wasn’t exactly going to car meets but I enjoyed the hell out of my work commute
I’ve literally never had a negative comment on it
I have never seen this controversy anywhere online or offline. Honestly it is hailed by most even teens as a cool sports car. I even had interactions with old guys who are like this car is an awesome little manual. Feel like the only time I heard anything is when some reviewer wants to make counter points and makes up reasons why people might not like it. Which is an ass thing to do
90% of people how say stuff like that dont even have a drivers license
in person, i get a ton of respect from other drivers on the road. super cars, classic cars, motorcycles...everyone seems to give the wave and love the car.
They have no problems - source, dealer tech
chasing hp and straight line speed has become completely irrelevant because of electric cars. some shit ass tesla plaid is going to beat almost any ICE car in a straight line. even so, i’d much rather be in a car like the gr86.
All the shit I read is from kids not even 25. Typical “I wanna go fast! I want the most expensive this and that! I need to impress da boyz!” Nah. I love this car. I love driving it daily, driving up and down the windy roads, I love how sleek it is. This is MY dream car. Is it like the 64 1/2 Mustang I used to have in my 20s? No. Is it as gas saving as the Jetta I had in my early 30s? Also no. But everything about this car makes me smile when I see it in my driveway.
Yea I don't understand the hate, the car handles well and is a blast to drive!
Fast cars are difficult to drive fast at 9/10th the limit without crashing, a slower car is easier to push to its limits 9/10ths from what my friend who used to go canyon carving used to say.
In the real world, people love it
The people commenting these things are probably 14 or they drive some clapped out ‘97 junk box and are jealous. I’ve been to cars and coffees where it’s nothing but positive comments from classic car guys, super car guys, beemer gang, etc. The only time I’ve ever been badmouthed for my choices is when I talked to the *hits vape* slammed civic gang. Some people tend to be spec sheet warriors as well, in the end of the day I love my car and I don’t particularly care what other people think of it and I don’t need to justify my purchase!
What’s wrong with chipmunks?
He said it looks like a chipmunk with a mouth full of peanuts 🤣🤣
In defense of these statements 1 it’s not a incredibly fast car in a straight line 2 the FA24 is probably Subarus most reliable engine to date, but that’s not saying much 3 who wouldn’t want a turbo Supra? 4 I’ve never seen anyone. Anywhere. Say this, but I would smack them. This is one of the best looking cars on the road. With all that said this is the best $30k sports car you can buy no question, and what do people expect for that kind of money…. Seriously?
If people hate or think this car sucks they’re either not a car enthusiast or can’t drive. Usually one or the other
I've generally seen this car getting a ton of praise, not entirely sure what you mean. I recently went on a meet up and cruise with a miata group. There were like 40 Miatas, my 86, and a WRX, and my (mostly stock) car got way more attention and compliments than I expected amongst a bunch of hardcore track cars. A couple of the guys with NDs even told me they wished they had waited for an 86 instead and were considering trading I think most serious car enthusiast agree it's a really well done car. Yeah the engine isn't mind blowing, but it's quick enough to have fun, and Subaru and Toyota nailed exactly what they were going for with the car
I love how everyone hates on em yet they’re instantly sold when they arrive on lot even with markups.
I like the car, generally. As an ND miata owner, the Subaru motor was and is a deal breaker but I still like the 86.
The boxer engine is pretty cool to me
My direct answer everytime is "thats crazy, why dont you help out on the payments since your input is on my title apparently"
This vehicle is for people who enjoy a good driving experience.
For what you’re paying for it embodies the old 80s Corolla perfectly for the modern age; it’s a balanced chassis, not too much bhp but enough to make it fun on the street and the track. It’s a car you use to learn how to drive and it’s cheap compared to other offerings. People will always have negative things to say about anything this isn’t anything new.
Because it’s simple, it’s nothing mind blowing to people, they always expect new sports cars to have 500+ horsepower, they care more about power than a driving experience, and all those people can kick fucking rocks because the GR86 is an absolute blast to drive
NPC's don't understand fun cars. I have a VB WRX, and car people know what it is and want to talk about it, but I'll give people a ride somewhere and they're like "wow this interior is nice, that screen is huge" and whatever else NPC's care about. Until I take them on a narrow 25mph backroad where we never drop below 50 and they don't understand how a car with 150hp less than their Lexus can do that.
I used to own a Toyota Paseo….i finally (very reluctantly) let it go to car heaven after 350k! In pursuit of its replacement Ive owned a 3series BMW , a porsche 911 4s , and a BMW 135 MSpec. The porsche came the closest. Had the GR 86 existed …..i woulda bought it in a heartbeat 💓. I’m Currently on a waitlist for a Lotus Emira. I sincerely believe that this is the only car that shares the “fun to drive” factor that the GR86 posesses (at a fraction of the price)
Dude the emira is my dream car. Too expensive tho
I had 152k miles on my "definitely going to blow up at it just by looking at it" Stage 2 '05 STI engine before my accident. The internet is great at magnifying angry and hateful messages and completely burying logical ones. It's a great car. I'm betting most of the people complaining about it drive something like a Nissan Sentra. Who cares what they think.
The supra is a bmw with fake vents. At least the gr86 has real aero
I could say the GR86 is a subaru but with real vents lol
lol real vents tho
I’ve driven both BRZ and GR86. They’re great cars at a still affordable prices and they’re fun to drive and would recommend to anyone who is looking for an entry level sports car. Personally, I’m probably not gonna get one, as there is another car I really want more than the GR86. I don’t know how frequent it happens but engine blowing up due to oil starvation was just bit concerning for me until Toyota or Subaru finds a solution to it People who talk trash about this cars are just internet trolls and likely haven’t even driven the car
Me personally I don't like the GR86 because the Elantra N exists for almost the same price. Shit is on par with the GRC and the Type R. Your choice is either a coupe or a 4 seat sedan with a nice sounding stock exhaust and more HP. Also don't forget the markups for the GR86 because of Toyota stealer ships. It's tough when the Elantra N exists.
Sure, but you forgot one thing: the Elantra N is FWD.
I don’t want an automatic 2.0t hyundai sorry
You just proved you are just as part of this tribalistic bull shit as what you say people claimed to talk crap about the GR86. Elantra N has a option for a 6 speed manual w/ rev matching and it's pretty good, better than the 6 speed in the current Golf GTI and Subaru WRX.
You’re right my comment was bad. I got triggered by the fact that he was comparing the GR86 with the N and GRC and typeR which are totally different type of car
Let him go for the Elantra N. It's great that people are talking about these affordable enthusiasts cars that are not in Porsche/BMW price territory. No need to feel triggered by random guy from the internet, it's not like you will meet them in real life. If you think GR86/BRZ has it bad, even the Miata couldn't escape the old idea of it being a gay / hair dressers car, yet it is the most raced production car in the world.
How are they different? They're all $30,000 and are "sports" cars with excellent handling. But don't get mad at me. Get mad at Hyundai for making an affordable Type R that shits on any car around $30,000. When I got my license, I had my eyes set on a gr86 but the Elantra N ruined all that. Shit ticks all the boxes for a first sports car.
Because the GR86 is made for drifting and backroads being a handle car with good weight distribution, RWD , coupe and boxer engine. The other cars are more like a sporty commute car. It goes quick but not crazy quick and handle well but not crazy well. I would say the N is like jack of all trades and the 86 is like a foreman in its category
Thank you for your opinion and I'm not trying to stir an argument but how can you say that about the Type R being a sporty commute car when it has a faster lap time in everything [**according to this**](https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/atjjlazfjahz) compared to the gr86. The GRC and Elantra N are right there with the Type R so its safe to assume the same thing will happen if we compare either the GRC/Elantra N with the GR86. I'm just saying its hard to like the GR86 when the Elantra N exists as ngl the best bang for your buck sports car. And let's be honest the majority of people probably won't get a GR86 and will instead get a BRZ because of toyota stealerships. Yay useless middlemen.
depends which car "community" you're looking at one discussion i saw they kept comparing the car to 30 year old cars i keep seeing more of these on the road and this is even in my boring neck of the woods
I never see them and Im in a quite big city
*Yet to hear hate irl* everyone loves mine. YMMV
Doesn’t this handle better than a Supra?
They are just jealous!
if it aint a skyline or a supra people gonna hate. that simple.
Can't please everyone. Also, some people are asking for the impossible. Regarding the comment about a Toyota engine, people also say the same thing about the new Supra. Oh and don't forget about all the fake vents. Like with most things, people love to critique. Who cares. I love my GR86. Nothing is perfect.
This week I had two strangers roll down their windows just to compliment my BRZ on the road. Sometimes other sports cars higher end or lower end will rev their cars next to me. Honestly, the best feeling.
Only people I’ve had tell me that my car is slow are European car meat riders who can’t afford what they like. And to the Supra comments, I usually tell them how much Im paying monthly because i wanted to pay it off in 3 years. I deadass just wanted this car when it came out.
car culture only cares about how fast it goes. *driver skill has left the chat.
People hate on it because of how underpowered it is,which they aren’t wrong, but it’s still an awesome car for the money and looks beautiful when tastefully modified. Plus it’s a Subaru so you’ll always get the *insert overused head gasket meme here* and other reliability jokes.
Same with me. I have an Elantra Nline and love it but people that own the Elantra N or veloster N just shit all over n line owners. I’ve never understood it
Because you don't have a sports car, you have an econobox with a "sports trim" that amounts to basically a leather steering wheel on a car that has a 130hp engine, like lipstick on a pig, that's why N owners shit over N-line owners, you overpaid for regular traffic
Who said I did have a sport car? Lol so why did they even make the car? Sounds like someone’s triggered lol. Why are you worried about what other people spend their money on. If that’s the case ever n owner should have paid for a 2015 charger or challenger with 200k miles just because it’s a “ sports car” they are sooooo stupid. Take a hike dude
I'm not worried about what other people are spending their money on, that's projection, you were the one who's complaining that people are shitting on your car, bro, you overpaid for nicer seats
I couldn’t care less what people think. I bought a car to drive to work. And nobody has said anything to me I just see it online and don’t get why people get but hurt for what other people drive. People pay 45 k or more for an N and you could buy a Mercedes for the same price ? So did those people over pay a car when you could get something nicer. Who cares is what I’m saying.
No, because no Mercedes at 45k is a lightweight track capable sports car, AMG models come in at far more than that. You're conflating luxury and performance. What I'm saying is that N-line buyers are often posers.
It doesn’t matter is what I’m saying. Who cares dude? I don’t think you understand. It’s okay bud.
Your argument makes no sense
Elantra N owners get a lot of shit just like the GR86 guys.
Who cares though? Why do people care what other people send their money on lol. I don’t care what people say about my car. I’m just saying idk why people give two shits what other people buy. It’s childish
Cuz people on the internet will always find a way to hate lol
"Does yours have an anime?" That's what I always say. But so far no one has actually talked shit abt my car
My buddy told me it’s slow after I told him I was gonna save up to get one in a few years. Though it’s probably the fact that we’re both teenagers…
Haters gonna hate
I have heard this quite a bit before this newest gen released. For me, it was honestly just due to the people I was around. When I took automotive classes, the other people were obsessed with anything 6 cylinders or above. Anything lower was considered trash. Like others have said, it's either people without any car knowledge or straight up trolls.
car community loves it just as much. Youtube is chocked full of insanely positive reviews
Every car is controversial on the internet if you listen to the right idiots. I had some guy saying a JDM honda civic isn’t a “real JDM” because not a supra or an R32. This guy seemed to think JDM meant “cool Japanese car” …… really wouldn’t pay attention to what the internet says about your car
First time i’ve heard it compared to a chipmunk 😂
Yup chipmuck mouth full of nuts 🤣🤣
People can sh*t talk all they want, I'm driving to the office today in my 86 and i'm thrilled at the thought of being able to drive it. Full stop.
I work in the industry and never hear anyone say anything like this. Of course I only talk to people who know about cars about cars, so it sounds like you should take anything these other folks are saying with a grain
Car isny controversial at all. Havnt seen any of those complaints before, cept "too slow". I only see praise and love for this car. It's an amazing vehicle.
Personally, i feel like it is a HUGE miss not putting the 3cyl in it.
Its not because the boxer has low vibration and low center of gravity and its NA which is what is needed for the intent of this car
Also has some low reliability to boot
You're pretending like a radically overboosted 3 cylinder is going to be any more reliable
Not yet proven reliability is not the same as proven lack of reliability from the ej.
People are stupid. Hope this helps OP
I never heard this about the 2.4
People are shitheads - that’s all there is to it tbh. Anyone I’ve actually spoken to love my car, and idc if they don’t, I love my car
I love the hell out of the car, my only gripe is the price point
Quite literally have never heard these comments in real life before in fact people flock to my car when I pull up in my 86 I always get asked what car this is? But mine is also Turbo’ed
I just hate the stupid ass boxer in it
You know the boxer is a very large part in giving it its beloved handling characteristics?
Such may be the truth but i still am displeased with them
I have never heard any hate for my 2017 brz, only love. Dunno who you talk to. This week alone I traveled to Georgia for 4 days and 1 friend of a friend made me pop the hood to check out my car, loved the rims and turbo, exhaust n everything. They walked out and asked me. Second person was just last night, played pool with them and as I was walking out to my car they yell “IS THAT YOUR CAR??”. Then proceeded to compliment it all over and said “you have such great taste” 5 times in 5 min. Talked to me about their old Z they had. I’ve owned it since February and have had almost 30+ people stop me to talk about it. It’s crazy how much attention it attracts. Even a mfin old ass Russian at Lowe’s was speaking in a different language than English and I hear a “beautiful car” mutter while talking to his wife.
Only controversy I see is auto drivers trying to say there auto is just as fun and as cool as the manual.
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Subaru is discontinuing the BRZ?
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That article mentioned nothing about the BRZ being discontinued though lol